Post by: raptorspike on May 15, 2006, 05:15:52 AM
Is it just me, or is anyone else interpreting this as the whole game is controlled by the touch screen? If so, this sucks and blows at the same time. I want to be able to use the d-pad and buttons to fly and fire. I have no problem if the somersault and other small functions are mapped on the touch screen, but not the whole flying setup!
Post by: Bill Aurion on May 15, 2006, 06:32:12 AM
Post by: Artimus on May 15, 2006, 06:34:47 AM
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…but it looks like Star Fox DS is a return to everything I loved about the original. The whole “control the Arwing with the stylus” thing might stray a bit, but so far so good.
-Craig Harris, Edtor @ IGN-DS
By stray he means from the original controls, btw.
Post by: EasyCure on May 15, 2006, 08:05:49 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on May 15, 2006, 08:13:03 AM
What's the point of making it control like this anyway? This is Star Fox, an established franchise with a fanbase of gamers that are used to controlling games the normal way. It's not like they have to make simplified controls for non-gamers. Non-gamers don't care about Star Fox.
Post by: Kairon on May 15, 2006, 08:56:18 AM
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Post by: Hostile Creation on May 15, 2006, 09:55:13 AM
Oh come on. Touchscreen control will obviously be superior to a d-pad for this kind of game, so stop spouting bullsh!t. It worked for Metroid Prime, it'll work for Zelda, it'll work for this. Stop being a damn obstinate traditionalist.
Post by: raptorspike on May 15, 2006, 10:31:45 AM
Post by: ruby_onix on May 15, 2006, 01:42:58 PM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
What's the point of making it control like this anyway?
Lack of analog.
Personally, I imagine dragging the nose of an Arwing around with a stylus will be a lot more intuitive than trying to control Mario with a thumbstrap, but all the double-tapping stuff doesn't sound good. Buttons are your friend. Gestures are not.
(Needs voice control. "Do a barrel roll!")
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on May 15, 2006, 01:48:09 PM
Post by: Ian Sane on May 15, 2006, 02:44:52 PM
Yeah but the original Star Fox worked with a d-pad. Plus Super Mario 64 DS is like a reverse proof of concept. It demonstrates that the touchscreen DOESN'T work as a replacement for an analog stick. If Nintendo is going to make any game that needs an analog stick they should put it on the Wii.
Much like Zelda this just seems like a desperate attempt to sell the touchscreen as something more than it is. They made a big deal about the touchscreen and in the end it's not nearly as essential as they said it was. So they're shoehorning it into games that have no business using it as the main control method. Konami's forced touchscreen usage in Castlevania sucked and they've admitted it by not using it in the new Castlevania. I wish Nintendo could just admit the same thing and only use it when it makes sense to. I think a touchscreen that is rarely used but is used well when it makes sense to would look a whole lot better than a bunch of games that control like crap because of forced touchscreen usage.
Post by: Bill Aurion on May 15, 2006, 03:06:11 PM
Post by: Crimm on May 15, 2006, 04:17:56 PM
Thank God we recently got a DS download station. I hope they have the demo on it.
Post by: jasonditz on May 15, 2006, 05:51:18 PM
I'm actually a big fan of games with total touch screen control (so long as they don't use that stupid thumb strap)...
Post by: Michael8983 on May 15, 2006, 11:04:30 PM
It's not like using the touch-screen as an analog stick to control a character in a 3D platformer.
It would be more like aiming in Metroid Prime Hunters which worked quite well IMO.
Basically using the touch-screen as a mouse pad to move a cursor. Allowing for much quicker movement and precise aiming that a d-pad would not allow.
Post by: raptorspike on May 16, 2006, 02:52:18 AM
Post by: Mario on May 16, 2006, 04:14:25 AM
BTW i've always seen Starfox as one of the more "casual non-gamer" (ugh I hate these stupid labels Ian has printed out) franchises from Nintendo.
Post by: TerribleOne on May 16, 2006, 07:32:07 AM
I say this because seriously they don't seem to want to give us the star fox 64 reincarnation we all keep waiting for. Speically with better knowledge in programming now-a-days, why wont they giv us that brand new epic game... i dont care if its the ds or the wii
why nintendo? wwhyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy?
Post by: Kairon on May 16, 2006, 09:25:08 AM
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Post by: 18 Days on May 16, 2006, 09:43:24 AM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
"Lack of analog."
Yeah but the original Star Fox worked with a d-pad. Plus Super Mario 64 DS is like a reverse proof of concept. It demonstrates that the touchscreen DOESN'T work as a replacement for an analog stick. If Nintendo is going to make any game that needs an analog stick they should put it on the Wii.
Have you even played the original lately though? I tried to but couldn't because it's pretty much unplayable.
My only concern with this game is it looks like it's in slow motion.
Post by: darknight06 on May 16, 2006, 05:37:22 PM
I played it with the touchscreen just fine, and I know several others that have too. Touch controls should not prove to be a problem with this game, or Zelda.
Post by: wandering on May 16, 2006, 08:58:14 PM
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Originally posted by: TerribleOne
I think I just came to a realization(sp)... Maybe Nintendo doesn't like Star Fox as a franchise that much lol
I say this because seriously they don't seem to want to give us the star fox 64 reincarnation we all keep waiting for. Speically with better knowledge in programming now-a-days, why wont they giv us that brand new epic game... i dont care if its the ds or the wii
why nintendo? wwhyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy?
Considering Miyamoto has said Star Fox 64 was his favorite 64 game (right?), and considering he's also said Star Fox DS is very important to him....I think you're mistaken.
The only thing Nintendo doesn't care about is what their customer's want.
Post by: Hostile Creation on May 17, 2006, 07:12:37 AM
18 Days, my concern is the same as yours. The action just looks too slow. Other than that, sounds fine. I can't wait to try it out.
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Post by: Edfishy on June 03, 2006, 06:26:39 PM
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Have you even played the original lately though? I tried to but couldn't because it's pretty much unplayable.
My only concern with this game is it looks like it's in slow motion.
Are you kidding? I play the original all the time, and still love it. The original overall feels a lot more compelling(Thanks to the amazing music) and more of challenge than Star Fox 64 and Star Fox Assault. So far Star Fox DS appears to be going back to its roots in terms of art design, and I would hope it will get put through its paces in terms of music.
However, locking the player in "All-range-mode", as it was called on the N64, will be difficult for Nintendo to pull off. The enemies will generally just fly around you, it won't quite be as cinematic as it was before when you were on a track.
The best route would be to really make it a strategic game, dealing with more than just your four wingman, but the possibillity of plotting the routes of Cornerian ground forces, tanks, airships, walkers, and capital ships. Not to mention they could also have construction ships that could build a few structures to aid your assault, like satellite stations, defense cannons, and repair pads. This certainly could open up a lot of possibillities, but it would require the bottom screen to be open for making strategic decisions, not flying the ship.
Post by: Bill Aurion on June 05, 2006, 05:29:31 AM
We've already had two spinoffs of sorts, so I'd rather they just return to just pure StarFox, which they seem to be doing...
Post by: please let me in, please on June 07, 2006, 07:47:27 AM
Post by: Edfishy on June 16, 2006, 02:39:55 PM
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We've already had two spinoffs of sorts, so I'd rather they just return to just pure StarFox, which they seem to be doing...
Edited Out:
Both spinoffs used Star Fox's core gameplay of a 3D shooter, not that I have a problem with that kind of gameplay, only that it's going to get old real quick with the same franchise.
Having a real-time-strategy mixed with an arcade simulator of sorts would be a lot of fun, but I guess I just realized that the Star Fox name and license wouldn't necessarily have to be applied make the game great.
As for Star Fox: Dinosaur Planet and Star Fox: Assault, I'd say Star Fox Assault wasn't different enough to shake away the core gameplay(not that there's a problem with that, as I said), and Dinosaur Planet had no business using the Star Fox name.
Post by: Fierce_LiNk on June 22, 2006, 01:59:13 PM
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Post by: Edfishy on July 03, 2006, 07:49:44 PM
I'd look for the information myself, but dial-up sucks, to which I'm sure everyone would agree.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on July 04, 2006, 07:29:23 AM
You would have to have AI built to react to you, instead of just flying a certain path. Then you could actually send your wingmen in different roles of support for you.
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Post by: couchmonkey on August 03, 2006, 07:39:51 AM
Edit: I sound a bit cynical...80% is a fine score, but I'm not the biggest Star Fox fan and it seems the series has been having trouble since 64.
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Post by: hudsonhawk on September 21, 2006, 07:05:01 AM
I give them kudos for actually attaching a good story for once. It makes the branching storyline work really well.
The strategy stuff is well done and adds to the game. And I think cries of it being too easy are premature - the game has stayed consistently challenging throughout.
Though one thing I hate is the barrel role mechanic and how you have to use it to defeat the motherships. Maybe it's because I play with the thumbstrap, but it's tough to consistently roll without veering to the side and losing the beacon.
Post by: Caterkiller on September 21, 2006, 09:21:44 AM
And for some reason I have no problem barrel rolling, and quickly turning after enemies like many others have had. And if you had the stylus it would be very easy to roll into the mother ships without flying all over the place.
The tactical side to it really sets it apart from the rest of the series. I can't wait to return to on rail missions but this is surprisingly very very fun.
Post by: hudsonhawk on September 21, 2006, 09:27:14 AM
I'm stubborn though, and really like the thumbstrap.
Post by: couchmonkey on September 21, 2006, 10:28:19 AM
Just look at the DS Lite in all it's strapless drabness.I'd love to play this game, and many more, but my eyes are on Wii.
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