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Title: Microsoft pushes Wii60 to battle against PS3
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 11, 2006, 06:55:37 AM
Microsoft pushes for the console combination of Xbox 360 + Wii vs just a PS3 for the same price.
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Originally posted by: Reuters

Microsoft sides with Nintendo in fight vs Sony
Thu May 11, 2006 2:25 PM BST

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Microsoft Corp. <MSFT.O> sided with rival Nintendo Co. Ltd. <7974.OS> on Wednesday in the fight to unseat video game leader Sony Corp.<6758.T>, saying many consumers will choose to buy both of their machines for the price of one PlayStation 3.
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Sony aims to extend its market leadership with its upcoming PS3, while Nintendo plans to offer a new game machine called Wii in the fourth quarter.

"Tell me why you would buy a $600 PS3?" Peter Moore, a Microsoft vice president, said in an interview. "People are going to buy two (machines.) They're going to buy an Xbox and they're going to buy a Wii ... for the price of one PS3."
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Moore then turned pitchman for Nintendo's Wii, the latest offering from the Japanese company that once dominated the video game industry.

"People will always gravitate toward a competitively priced product -- like what I believe Wii will be -- with innovative new designs and great intellectual property like Mario, Zelda and Metroid," Moore told Reuters.
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"We have 100 percent market share of the next-generation, and their job is to take that from us," said Moore.

"When I think on everything that we've got going right now that is real versus what Sony promises to do six, seven months from now, obviously we feel very good about where we stand."
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"Quite frankly," said Moore, "if we're sitting here a year from now and things continue to fall flat, then we might say 'we don't know what to do anymore."

To me, it sounds like Microsoft is trying to grab ahold of Nintendo's coat tails so that they don't get left too far behind when Nintendo rockets themselves up to a 1st place position.

edit: quoting my post from later in this thread...
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Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
Now Sony is claiming the Wii would be a perfect 2nd console to a PS3

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Originally posted by: GamePro.com
"I think Peter Moore is exactly right. I think Nintendo will be the second system consumers purchase after PlayStation 3."

"I haven't had a chance to check out the Wii myself, but intendo has a great history of innovation and has always done great things for gaming and long may they do so. But as it relates to our strategy they are very much in a different market."

"I know what Peter was getting at with his price point issue but he's not comparing apples to oranges. He's not even comparing the same kind of food products at all. It's clearly a case that PlayStation 3's price is justified by PlayStation 3's value. That's what consumers base their purchasing decisions on -- value."


Well now isn't this interesting.........

WiiS3 vs Wii60 ...... FIGHT!!
Either way Wii wins!

Its really funny to see both competitors fighting over who gets to be by Nintendo's side.......
Nothing can beat this sort of publicity & it didn't cost Nintendo a thing!!

edit 2:Quoting yet another post from later in the thread

Perrin Kaplan has responded......
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Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
Now it appears that Nintendo Jedi herself, Perrin Kaplan has something to say on the subject...

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Originally posted by: Joystiq.com

Joystiq: So how do you think Connect24 is going to stack up against Xbox Live, which is the leading online gaming service, and then Sony's nascent service?

Perrin: We're all at the same show, but Nintendo is a really different company than the others. Our products are really, really different, and I would hesitate to even compare. There are different kinds of people that are interested in that. The hardcore gamer is going to have both [consoles]. So it's a very different focus. Our DS Wi-Fi, when we went created it as a free service -- which is something we really wanted to -- its growth was very fast. So we think we figured out the sweet spot for what works for us and for our consumers and we looked at it the same with the Wii console.
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Joystiq: I find it interesting that you mentioned just a minute ago about the Xbox 360 and making a mild comparison. Earlier this week, Peter Moore said he thought that gamers would buy a Wii in addition to a 360.

Perrin: The hardcore gamers, the gamers that are their customers, they love to play and they will probably want our system and their system. I do think the casual gamers that we are expanding into will own only one, and it will be ours.
~
Joystiq: Do you feel that the systems are in any way complimentary?

Perrin: I think they could be. For a hard core gamer who really wants a plethora of ways to pick from, someone who really wants to spend a lot of time gaming.
Seems like she disagrees that Wii will just be a "perfect 2nd system"  but would make more of a "perfect 1st system" instead  


Title: RE: Microsoft pushes Wii60 to battle against PS3
Post by: Requiem of Darcness on May 11, 2006, 07:17:54 AM
Hmmm...I don't think so BlackNMild. They are just making the argument that I have seen made across several forums by a surprising number of Sony diehards. "Why am I gonna pay $600 for a PS3 when I can buy a 360 and a Wii?" Honestly I can't come up for a reason for anyone to purchase a PS3 at all. The titles that everyone wants like FFXIII and MGS4 won't hit the shelves until 2007, maybe 2008 for FFXIII. So what does your $600 give you. Ridge Racer and Tekken? This isn't 1995 thats not gonna cut it anymore. In the states all of the Maddenheads, its what I call Madden fans, can get the same Madden 2007 on 360 that they can get on PS3. So why spend the $600 when they can take the $200 they save and pick up Madden, NBA Live, another controller, and a quick charger?

Having Madden exclusive saved the PS2 launch in 2001 but they don't have that to save them this time around and at double the price they aren't not going to win the US and European markets. In fact I think that MS and Nintendo will battle for the #1 position in the US and Europe, with Nintendo taking Japan hands down. I think Sony will be third. I don't see the PS3 hitting a mass market price until 2008. Nintendo is launching at a mass market price and MS will most likely have the 360 at a mass market price next year.
Title: RE: Microsoft pushes Wii60 to battle against PS3
Post by: capamerica on May 11, 2006, 07:25:00 AM
I own a 360 and I'll be buying a Wii. I think its a perfect combo.
All I can wish for now is that MGS4 and FFXIII come to the Xbox360.

Its funny last gen MS really attacked Nintendo most of the time and didn't harp on Sony untill a year or so ago. Now their on Nintendo's side and are harping on Sony. Even thou I don't care much for MS. It kind of makes me happy seeing them do this.
Title: RE: Microsoft pushes Wii60 to battle against PS3
Post by: attackslug on May 11, 2006, 07:36:02 AM
MS will "harp" on whomever they percieve to be their biggest threat.  they obviously don't see the Wii as something that will directly compete with the 360, either because they are not convinced that it will do well or because the roster of games appear to be very exclusive to the system and its hardware.
Title: RE: Microsoft pushes Wii60 to battle against PS3
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 11, 2006, 07:52:27 AM
I think that everyone that picks up a "next-gen" system 1st will also pick up a Wii
Since most of the Wii's games are exclusive in gameplay capabilities, it only make sense to add a Wii to your gaming combination:
Wii60 = $600+
PiiS3 = $800+

But everyone that picks up a Wii 1st, might not even consider another system.
If the immersion in gameplay is as great as it sounds, going back to playing similar games in a traditional way might not seem quite as fun anymore
WiiS Lite FTW = $350
Title: RE:Microsoft pushes Wii60 to battle against PS3
Post by: Requiem of Darcness on May 11, 2006, 08:03:12 AM
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Originally posted by: attackslug
MS will "harp" on whomever they percieve to be their biggest threat.  they obviously don't see the Wii as something that will directly compete with the 360, either because they are not convinced that it will do well or because the roster of games appear to be very exclusive to the system and its hardware.


Actually, I think MS harps on who they perceive to be in the weakest position. They harped on Nintendo this gen because they were an easy target. Now Sony has made themselves an easy target.
Title: RE: Microsoft pushes Wii60 to battle against PS3
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 11, 2006, 08:17:30 AM
Sony has indeed made themselves the easy target;
From the re-designed Dual-Shock 3 (looks the same)
to the innovate motion controls (desperate attempt & loses rumble)
the many included extras (removal of mem ports & <dual>HDMI)
the unmatched graphical prowess (looks very similar to Xbox360)
and the valued $600 price tag (way too expensive)

With MS being the bully they are, this is like taking lunch money from the rich kid because he took candy from the baby.... j/k
Title: RE: Microsoft pushes Wii60 to battle against PS3
Post by: PaLaDiN on May 11, 2006, 08:19:01 AM
Yeah, I think it's just that Nintendo haven't really left themselves open to criticism this E3.

And the guy has a point. I'm considering getting a 360 as well because of the PS3's price. I'm not sure why that makes sense but it kind of does.
Title: RE:Microsoft pushes Wii60 to battle against PS3
Post by: Spak-Spang on May 11, 2006, 08:19:41 AM
BlackNMild:  Count me in on the Wii-Lite group.

Nintendo is going to make me go broke this year.  I have a DS but with all the wonderful new DS games coming out I really want to pick up that extra special DS Lite.  

My plan is to save up money and get a Nintendo Wii with 2 controllers and 2 launch games...picking two launch games will be the hardest thing I have ever done for this system...but it must be done.

That will put me up to

$250
$100 (Two Games)
$ 35 (Controler guessed price)
---------------------------------------
$399.00 appr.

So for the price of an Xbox360 I could get much, much more.

For the price of a PS3 hmmm...

$250.00 (Wii)
$200.00 (Four Games)
$105.00 (3 Controllers)
$  80.00 (4 Controller Shells)
------------------------------------
$ 635.00  (Alittle more than a PS3...but less than a PS3 and a Game.)

Title: RE: Microsoft pushes Wii60 to battle against PS3
Post by: eljefe on May 11, 2006, 08:52:29 AM
I don't have a handheld (not even the beloved DS), I'm not buying ANYTHING off the VC, and I'm not getting a 360/PS3..

All I need is four Wii remotes, four nunchaku, the system, and a game or two.

That's it




Title: RE: Microsoft pushes Wii60 to battle against PS3
Post by: 18 Days on May 11, 2006, 09:00:16 AM
It's incredible to just see Moore speaking frankly for a change. Normally he's babbling incoherent crap but now he's speaking rationally.
Title: RE: Microsoft pushes Wii60 to battle against PS3
Post by: eljefe on May 11, 2006, 09:06:27 AM
http://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/thread.jspa?sortBy=2&threadID=1741&start=165&tstart=0&edition=2&ttl=20060511180205&#paginator

Just read all of the reader comments: its a fascinating glimpse at the UK market. It not only seems to support Nintendo's '2nd console' strategy, but, almost nobody finished their statements without somehow mention Wii (some curious, some supportive, some baffled and off-put). I was surprised by how many people proudly and forthrightly said they were ONLY buying the new Nintendo system. The rest was split between Luddites advocating "real adventure outside" and "books", PC snobs touting "the ultimate games machine", and 360 fans saying PS3 is a waste but they'll get a Wii / PS3 fans downing the 360 but saying they're intrested in "that weird controller".

There was also a tiny subset who claim to be ready for full VR and see Nintendo as a bridge to that era. If you're bored read all of it. Nintendo might grab a bigger chunk of the UK games business than anyone imagined.
Title: RE:Microsoft pushes Wii60 to battle against PS3
Post by: Requiem of Darcness on May 11, 2006, 09:08:31 AM
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Originally posted by: 18 Days
It's incredible to just see Moore speaking frankly for a change. Normally he's babbling incoherent crap but now he's speaking rationally.


Honestly, I think Moore is just dumbfounded by Sony's stupidity. I know I still am. I think Sony's ridiculous position caused him to drop the corporate speak because telling the honest truth about Sony would just make more sense at this point.
Title: RE: Microsoft pushes Wii60 to battle against PS3
Post by: 18 Days on May 11, 2006, 09:30:22 AM
Yeah but then he started talking honestly about the situation in Japan and everything! I was liek =0
Title: RE: Microsoft pushes Wii60 to battle against PS3
Post by: couchmonkey on May 11, 2006, 09:51:53 AM
Having read a lot of stuff about Microsoft in excerpts from the recent book about the creation of the Xbox 360 (can't remember the title or the author, unfortunately), I think Microsoft definitely views Sony as it's main competition.  This is a clever way to market the Xbox 360, really.  Not only is it an appealing selling point (two systems for the price of one), but people who listen to Moore are suddenly spending so much money on their Xbox 360 / Wii combo that they'll probably skip the PS3 for a while to come.

Personally, I won't buy either system until their prices drop by at least $100.  In fact if I bought anything, it would probably be a PS2.  
Title: RE: Microsoft pushes Wii60 to battle against PS3
Post by: Avinash_Tyagi on May 11, 2006, 11:01:12 AM
Sounds like their hopin Wii knocks off the PS3 in Japan, while they take NA, crush Sony on multiple fronts.
Title: RE: Microsoft pushes Wii60 to battle against PS3
Post by: Requiem on May 11, 2006, 12:10:06 PM
WiiS Lite FTW  = $350

I'll take this over any other combination. Portable and Console together.

Oh ya, the fact that they can communicate together is a major plus
Title: RE: Microsoft pushes Wii60 to battle against PS3
Post by: TrueNerd on May 11, 2006, 12:23:14 PM
The man makes a good point. That was certainly the first thing I thought when I saw the PS3's price tag. PS3 has managed to make the 360 look downright affordable to me, something that I definitely did not think a few weeks ago. In fact, the more I think about it, the more I think I'll probably pick up a 360 sometime this year.  
Title: RE:Microsoft pushes Wii60 to battle against PS3
Post by: Frozen Atlantic on May 11, 2006, 12:34:03 PM
Hmmm. This obviously means Microsoft doesn't expect Wii to be a threat to their base.

A VERY interesting development, and it'll be interesting to see if Reggie starts praising the 360. I doubt it, though. Nintendo's gotta be hoping for a SNES-like resurgence.
Title: RE: Microsoft pushes Wii60 to battle against PS3
Post by: jasonditz on May 11, 2006, 01:18:59 PM
Either that or that it's at least an easier threat to deal with.

The 360 and the PS3 are tough to differentiate on features... the 360 and the Wii are clearly completely different animals with completely different propositions to make to the gamer. It's also possible that most of the "gamers" market that gets a Wii will later get a 360, or vice versa. The two systems offer such different experiences that its really not that hard to justify owning both if you're interested.

I could easily see myself having a 360 in the bedroom, and then having a Wii in the family room.
Title: RE: Microsoft pushes Wii60 to battle against PS3
Post by: IceCold on May 11, 2006, 03:18:47 PM
I think this is also Microsoft reacting to the fact that Sony has some sort of motion control in their controller - Microsoft is now the odd one out..

I wonder if this makes the Rare N64 games more likely to appear on the VC.. Rare is already working on DS games.
Title: RE:Microsoft pushes Wii60 to battle against PS3
Post by: Louieturkey on May 11, 2006, 07:25:14 PM
Makes sense, I could easily see the Banjo games on the VC and the Live Arcade.  Only people would know that the Wii has the VC with N64 games, so it'll sell more there.
Title: RE: Microsoft pushes Wii60 to battle against PS3
Post by: wandering on May 11, 2006, 10:44:10 PM
Looks like Moore's been watching Miracle on 34th Street...

Yeah, I like this strategy. From a pratical stand-point, buying a 360 and Wii makes the most sense. From a personal stand point, I like to hear people sing Nintendo's praises. From both standpoints, Moore's comments make me feel more open to buying a 360, which I'm sure was the intent.
Title: RE: Microsoft pushes Wii60 to battle against PS3
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 13, 2006, 06:08:16 PM
Now Sony is claiming the Wii would be a perfect 2nd console to a PS3

Quote

Originally posted by: GamePro.com
"I think Peter Moore is exactly right. I think Nintendo will be the second system consumers purchase after PlayStation 3."

"I haven't had a chance to check out the Wii myself, but intendo has a great history of innovation and has always done great things for gaming and long may they do so. But as it relates to our strategy they are very much in a different market."

"I know what Peter was getting at with his price point issue but he's not comparing apples to oranges. He's not even comparing the same kind of food products at all. It's clearly a case that PlayStation 3's price is justified by PlayStation 3's value. That's what consumers base their purchasing decisions on -- value."


Well now isn't this interesting.........

WiiS3 vs Wii60 ...... FIGHT!!
Either way Wii wins!

Its really funny to see both competitors fighting over who gets to be by Nintendo's side.......
Nothing can beat this sort of publicity & it didn't cost Nintendo a thing!!  
Title: RE: Microsoft pushes Wii60 to battle against PS3
Post by: PaLaDiN on May 13, 2006, 09:07:54 PM
The cool thing here is that there's no way either company would suggest PS360. And Nintendo doesn't have to praise either of the other two. It's like Solid Snake and Master Chief are trying to court Samus Aran.
Title: RE: Microsoft pushes Wii60 to battle against PS3
Post by: wandering on May 13, 2006, 09:33:09 PM
If Master Chief really want's to win Samus's affections, he should make an appearence in Super Smash Bros. Brall.
Title: RE: Microsoft pushes Wii60 to battle against PS3
Post by: SixthAngel on May 13, 2006, 11:18:22 PM
Master Chief better move fast, Snake is already moving in and he got Samus to take off that power suit.  
Title: RE:Microsoft & Sony promote Wii as a "perfect" 2nd system
Post by: The Omen on May 14, 2006, 08:12:57 AM
Lets not forget that MS and Nintendo's US headquarters are across the street from one another.  A lot of those guys are friendly from what I've heard.

It would not surprise me if MS took this idealogy all the way and supported the DS to beat down the PSP.  Halo on the DS>?  Fable?
Title: RE:Microsoft & Sony promote Wii as a "perfect" 2nd system
Post by: Frozen Atlantic on May 14, 2006, 10:19:37 AM
very nice.
Title: RE:Microsoft & Sony promote Wii as a "perfect" 2nd system
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 14, 2006, 11:10:12 AM
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Originally posted by: SixthAngel
Master Chief better move fast, Snake is already moving in and he got Samus to take off that power suit.

You fail at image size rules

Uh Oh...
 
Title: RE:Microsoft & Sony promote Wii as a "perfect" 2nd system
Post by: Ceric on May 14, 2006, 12:15:29 PM
We all know that that picture is the wrong way.
Title: RE:Microsoft & Sony promote Wii as a "perfect" 2nd system
Post by: Athrun Zala on May 14, 2006, 12:42:11 PM
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Originally posted by: The Omen
Lets not forget that MS and Nintendo's US headquarters are across the street from one another.  A lot of those guys are friendly from what I've heard.

It would not surprise me if MS took this idealogy all the way and supported the DS to beat down the PSP.  Halo on the DS>?  Fable?
Well, MS lets Rare develop games for the GBA (and now DS as well).....how many games has MS released for PSP?

but I could see that, MS indirectly supporting Nintendo...(besides Moore's statement)


oh, and Sony's statement......well, Nintendo wins either way
Title: RE: Microsoft & Sony promote Wii as a "perfect" 2nd system
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 14, 2006, 02:14:06 PM
Snake does not care.  He's only looking for a few good men.  And cigarettes.
Title: RE: Microsoft & Sony promote Wii as a "perfect" 2nd system
Post by: Renny on May 14, 2006, 04:23:08 PM
Thass rite. He just wants some fags.
Title: RE: Microsoft & Sony promote Wii as a "perfect" 2nd system
Post by: eljefe on May 14, 2006, 04:30:39 PM
"First things first: unlike its rivals, the Wii is not high-definition. It’s not designed as an all-singing multimedia hub. And, although pricing has yet to be announced, it’s not going to break the bank – we think it’ll ship (hopefully this side of Christmas) for less than £200.

But neither is the Wii a just a kids’ toy. Its killer feature is the motion-sensitivity of its ‘Remote’ controller, which is central to its gaming experience rather than a last-minute addition like the PS3’s newly motion-sensitive handset. Unlike the PS3, the Remote also features a rumble pack. And, having used it, we can confirm that the Remote really does redefine the gaming landscape.

The graphics seem distinctly unimpressive – no better than Game Cube, in fact – but the gameplay more than made up for that fact.

The bottom line is that most serious gamers will want an Xbox or PS3. But if they’ve got any sense, they’ll get a tiny Wii to go alongside it. And plenty of non-gamers might be tempted too. Which means, despite the rather wet name, Wii could be a winner. "

...all from this fantastic article : http://www.stuffmag.co.uk/hotstuffarticle.asp?de_id=1679

The mainstream media seems to finally get it. The last paragragh is what relates to this topic.
Title: RE:Microsoft & Sony promote Wii as a "perfect" 2nd system
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on May 14, 2006, 05:31:05 PM
I think the graphics comment is a bit off, most of Nintendo's games looked next generation (not to 360's or PS3s level but still good) except maybe for MP3.
Title: RE:Microsoft & Sony promote Wii as a "perfect" 2nd system
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 15, 2006, 08:34:07 PM
Now it appears that Nintendo Jedi herself, Perrin Kaplan has something to say on the subject...

Quote

Originally posted by: Joystiq.com

Joystiq: So how do you think Connect24 is going to stack up against Xbox Live, which is the leading online gaming service, and then Sony's nascent service?

Perrin: We're all at the same show, but Nintendo is a really different company than the others. Our products are really, really different, and I would hesitate to even compare. There are different kinds of people that are interested in that. The hardcore gamer is going to have both [consoles]. So it's a very different focus. Our DS Wi-Fi, when we went created it as a free service -- which is something we really wanted to -- its growth was very fast. So we think we figured out the sweet spot for what works for us and for our consumers and we looked at it the same with the Wii console.
~
Joystiq: I find it interesting that you mentioned just a minute ago about the Xbox 360 and making a mild comparison. Earlier this week, Peter Moore said he thought that gamers would buy a Wii in addition to a 360.

Perrin: The hardcore gamers, the gamers that are their customers, they love to play and they will probably want our system and their system. I do think the casual gamers that we are expanding into will own only one, and it will be ours.
~
Joystiq: Do you feel that the systems are in any way complimentary?

Perrin: I think they could be. For a hard core gamer who really wants a plethora of ways to pick from, someone who really wants to spend a lot of time gaming.


Seems like she disagrees that Wii will just be a "perfect 2nd system" but would make more of a "perfect 1st system" instead  

edit: I just had to add this picture...

Wii60 Family
Title: RE:Microsoft & Sony promote Wii as a "perfect" 2nd system - Nintendo responds...
Post by: Avinash_Tyagi on May 15, 2006, 10:07:44 PM
Quote

Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
Now it appears that Nintendo Jedi herself, Perrin Kaplan has something to say on the subject...

Quote

Originally posted by: Joystiq.com

Joystiq: So how do you think Connect24 is going to stack up against Xbox Live, which is the leading online gaming service, and then Sony's nascent service?

Perrin: We're all at the same show, but Nintendo is a really different company than the others. Our products are really, really different, and I would hesitate to even compare. There are different kinds of people that are interested in that. The hardcore gamer is going to have both [consoles]. So it's a very different focus. Our DS Wi-Fi, when we went created it as a free service -- which is something we really wanted to -- its growth was very fast. So we think we figured out the sweet spot for what works for us and for our consumers and we looked at it the same with the Wii console.
~
Joystiq: I find it interesting that you mentioned just a minute ago about the Xbox 360 and making a mild comparison. Earlier this week, Peter Moore said he thought that gamers would buy a Wii in addition to a 360.

Perrin: The hardcore gamers, the gamers that are their customers, they love to play and they will probably want our system and their system. I do think the casual gamers that we are expanding into will own only one, and it will be ours.
~
Joystiq: Do you feel that the systems are in any way complimentary?

Perrin: I think they could be. For a hard core gamer who really wants a plethora of ways to pick from, someone who really wants to spend a lot of time gaming.


Seems like she disagrees that Wii will just be a "perfect 2nd system" but would make more of a "perfect 1st system" instead  

edit: I just had to add this picture...

Wii60 Family



 it's true Wii is the perfect 1st system (I'm getting the 360 after a couple of price drops, but the Wii at launch)

That picture will give people nightmares
Title: RE:Microsoft & Sony promote Wii as a "perfect" 2nd system - Nintendo responds...
Post by: Blue Plant on May 15, 2006, 10:21:51 PM
I didn't want to, but that picture forced me to save it...
Title: RE: Microsoft & Sony promote Wii as a "perfect" 2nd system - Nintendo responds...
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 15, 2006, 10:56:51 PM
AHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Title: RE: Microsoft & Sony promote Wii as a "perfect" 2nd system - Nintendo responds...
Post by: ShyGuy on May 15, 2006, 11:23:27 PM
Best. Picture. Ever. Everyone fits their character so well!
Title: RE: Microsoft & Sony promote Wii as a "perfect" 2nd system - Nintendo responds...
Post by: mantidor on May 16, 2006, 08:45:45 AM
hahaha

its absolutely disturbing
Title: RE: Microsoft & Sony promote Wii as a "perfect" 2nd system - Nintendo responds...
Post by: Athrun Zala on May 16, 2006, 09:46:35 AM
omfg!!

that picture is brilliant!!
Title: RE:Microsoft & Sony promote Wii as a "perfect" 2nd system - Nintendo responds...
Post by: Hocotate on May 16, 2006, 01:18:38 PM
You sir, win for posting that picture. I love it lol
Title: RE: Microsoft & Sony promote Wii as a "perfect" 2nd system - Nintendo responds...
Post by: Requiem on May 16, 2006, 03:19:07 PM
Miyamoto! ahahahaha

...ahahahha

ahhahha

LOOK AT HIS FACE! hahahahah
Title: RE:Microsoft & Sony promote Wii as a "perfect" 2nd system - Nintendo responds...
Post by: nemo_83 on May 16, 2006, 10:10:51 PM
Wii60 Family, that's creepy, but this topic raises some quesitons.  Kaplan even teased in her interview with ign that Moore might have some Nintendo body art eventually.  Yeah, she may just mean that DS Diddy Kong racing game, but maybe Nintendo and Microsoft are so confident that their consoles are so different that we could actually see something like Halo using the remote on 360 through the Wii.
Title: RE:Microsoft & Sony promote Wii as a "perfect" 2nd system - Nintendo responds...
Post by: Arbok on May 16, 2006, 10:29:31 PM
Quote

Originally posted by: nemo_83
...but maybe Nintendo and Microsoft are so confident that their consoles are so different that we could actually see something like Halo using the remote on 360 through the Wii.


Eh, I doubt they are going to go that far with this.
Title: RE: Microsoft & Sony promote Wii as a "perfect" 2nd system - Nintendo responds...
Post by: wandering on May 16, 2006, 10:39:27 PM
Picture was brilliant.

On the topic of Microsoft and Nintendo's "partnership", I read an interesting theory that Microsoft's real intention is to belittle the Wii by making people think the Wii can't stand on it's own. Humm.
Title: RE:Microsoft & Sony promote Wii as a "perfect" 2nd system - Nintendo responds...
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 16, 2006, 10:41:05 PM
Quote

Originally posted by: nemo_83
...but maybe Nintendo and Microsoft are so confident that their consoles are so different that we could actually see something like Halo using the remote on 360 through the Wii.

At best maybe something like Halo using the stylus on the DS as in Halo DS. or maybe some sort of deal with Nintendo to let Wifi capable Xbox 360's communicate with the DS and use the DS as a sort of tool or peripheral for 360 games(mirror for an F1 racing game j/k), but thats as far as I can possibly see anything happening between the two companies.
Title: RE:Microsoft & Sony promote Wii as a "perfect" 2nd system - Nintendo responds...
Post by: ThePerm on May 16, 2006, 10:47:02 PM
wii = 2d megaconsole
Title: RE:Microsoft & Sony promote Wii as a "perfect" 2nd system - Nintendo responds...
Post by: Avinash_Tyagi on May 17, 2006, 06:21:34 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: wandering
Picture was brilliant.

On the topic of Microsoft and Nintendo's "partnership", I read an interesting theory that Microsoft's real intention is to belittle the Wii by making people think the Wii can't stand on it's own. Humm.


Well regardless of his intentions its made the wii look good to the public, also Nintendo themselves admitted they expected/wanted the Wii to be the 2nd console for most hardcore gamers, so i don't think they care, the thing is if Nintendo is owned by most of the Sony and MS fans and also owned by ninty fans and casuals and non-gamers, well suddenly the number two console, becomes the number one console, its like a viral attack
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Post by: couchmonkey on May 18, 2006, 06:14:31 AM
So with ... uh... apparently everyone including Nintendo pushing the two console concept, how many people here are actually going to buy two?

I'm thinking of taking the day off to buy a few PS3s and sell them on Ebay.  If I make enough money, I might keep one.  However, given the price, I'm reconsidering that idea...too much risk even though I'm pretty sure I'd make a profit.

If I don't do that I may eventually consider buying an Xbox 360, but not until the price drops.
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Post by: Avinash_Tyagi on May 18, 2006, 01:41:33 PM
I figure if Too Human and a couple of other games that interest me turn out great I might pick up a 360 when it hits 200-250 for the premium version.

Not touching Sony with a ten foot pole.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 18, 2006, 01:47:33 PM
For the price of 2 consoles i could get tons of awesome-o Wii games.

Forget the 2 console crap.  I should buy a laptop.
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Post by: Avinash_Tyagi on May 18, 2006, 01:48:29 PM
You don't have one already?
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Post by: Frozen Atlantic on May 19, 2006, 07:23:10 AM
Who's playing Uncle Fester?
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Post by: Kairon on May 19, 2006, 07:53:17 AM
I have this psychological block that keeps me from buying two systems (as well as an econimical block). I mean, seriously, why shell out $200+ dollars when you can buy 4 actual games with that? MGS4 so far is the only PS3 game I'm really interested in, but there's no way I'm paying more than $10 0just for one game, let alone $650.

I'm basically trying to spend the smallest percentage of my money on hardware as possible and the highest percentage on where it counts: games.

Or maybe I'm just a one console guy, much like I'm a one-char person in MMOs and am physically incapable of creating, playing, or even thinking about playing an alt.

~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 19, 2006, 08:42:07 AM
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Originally posted by: Frozen Atlantic
Who's playing Uncle Fester?

Uncle Fester = J. Allard

Kairon: I'm a one console person too, I can't see my self owning two systems (especially @ atleast $600) just to play games. If I pick the wrong system and can't play some of the games I want, then I'll just have to convince a friend to buy the other system, then I can goto that friends house and play those other games.

I don't own an HDTV (yet ) and I'm happy with standard DVD for movies (for now) so I can't justify a $600 purchase just to play games (that I don't play all that often), and that $600 isn't even including a game.
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Post by: jasonditz on May 19, 2006, 11:20:56 AM
I'm considering a 360, but there are very few games that interest me that much. I do a lot of multiplayer sports gaming, and I'm skeptical how well certain games are going to translate to wiimote (like basketball)

Oblivion is the only game I can see myself paying $60 for. PD Zero might be a buy if it gets into some "greatest hits" kind of situation.
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Post by: Kairon on May 19, 2006, 02:29:27 PM
Quote

Originally posted by: jasonditz
I'm considering a 360, but there are very few games that interest me that much. I do a lot of multiplayer sports gaming, and I'm skeptical how well certain games are going to translate to wiimote (like basketball)

Oblivion is the only game I can see myself paying $60 for. PD Zero might be a buy if it gets into some "greatest hits" kind of situation.


And Oblivion you can get on PC...if you're PC is at least 2 ghz and has a decently up-to-date graphics card.

~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
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Post by: Hocotate on May 19, 2006, 04:03:41 PM


LOL I have a hard time believing he actually wrote that...
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 19, 2006, 07:48:11 PM
thats because he didn't
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Post by: wandering on May 20, 2006, 01:16:31 AM
heh, shame on whoever did that.

Quote

Originally posted by: Kairon
I have this psychological block that keeps me from buying two systems (as well as an econimical block). I mean, seriously, why shell out $200+ dollars when you can buy 4 actual games with that? MGS4 so far is the only PS3 game I'm really interested in, but there's no way I'm paying more than $10 0just for one game, let alone $650.

I'm basically trying to spend the smallest percentage of my money on hardware as possible and the highest percentage on where it counts: games.

Or maybe I'm just a one console guy, much like I'm a one-char person in MMOs and am physically incapable of creating, playing, or even thinking about playing an alt.

~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com


I think for me, a good rule is to divide the cost of the system by the number of games you want for that system. A $200 system with 20 games I want is worth it, because that comes to about $60 a game. So a ps2, for example, would be more than worth a purchase right now. An Xbox 360, though, really isn't...even if there was 20 games that I wanted, they would cost $75 each. Maybe that'll change eventually.  
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Post by: Hocotate on May 20, 2006, 02:09:23 AM
I think that pic is from wii60.com which automatically means it's fake (we already knew it was anyway). Now that I think about it, I wish I hadn't posted it. Miyamoto is too great a man to stoop so low as to say such things.

When it comes down to it, I just won't accept Sony or Microsoft in the gaming industry. It just doesn't feel right having these non-gaming focused, big electronics companies trying to throw their money around.

All would be right with the world if it was between Nintendo, Sega, and maybe either Atari or SNK... or somebody like that.... *sigh* imo Nintendo is all there is left in the console business. I WANT THE GOLDEN AGE OF GAMING TO BE RESTORED!!!

/end fanboyism
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Post by: IceCold on May 20, 2006, 09:15:37 AM
Don't forget EA..
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Post by: jasonditz on May 20, 2006, 11:11:53 AM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
Quote

Originally posted by: jasonditz
I'm considering a 360, but there are very few games that interest me that much. I do a lot of multiplayer sports gaming, and I'm skeptical how well certain games are going to translate to wiimote (like basketball)

Oblivion is the only game I can see myself paying $60 for. PD Zero might be a buy if it gets into some "greatest hits" kind of situation.


And Oblivion you can get on PC...if you're PC is at least 2 ghz and has a decently up-to-date graphics card.

~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com


Nope, mine's a Mac.

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Post by: KDR_11k on May 20, 2006, 11:36:28 AM
One of those old macs that can't boot into Windows?
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Post by: jasonditz on May 20, 2006, 09:32:05 PM
Yeah, it's an early-model Powermac G4 that I souped up.
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Post by: IceCold on May 20, 2006, 11:25:40 PM
Hay guys, remember this and this? (you'll need to dust the cobwebs from the recesses of your brain)
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Post by: Avinash_Tyagi on May 21, 2006, 12:02:04 AM
Actually its funny you should mention that, I was listening to a bunch of post E3 podcasts and one had this couple on who were friends of the host and they ask the wife whether she knows anything about E3 and if there are any game systems in their house and she says that she thinks they have an x-cube (At which point the Husband quickly interjects and corrects her saying they have an Xbox and Gamecube)  
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Post by: Mario on May 24, 2006, 05:01:59 AM
It seems like Sony and MS are just trying to butter us all up. I actually never EVER thought about getting an Xbox 360 until the horrible Sony showing and Microsofts recent attitude... but now i'm only thinking about it. Peter Moore is trying to push me to do that last step and purchase the system. Wii has the most hype on the internet amongst gamers at the moment, and getting these sort of comments on the web is like trying to get on everyone's good side. That just makes them even more evil though. Hopefully Wii will be the only new system I need, it's certainly looking like it so far.
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Post by: mantidor on May 24, 2006, 05:29:01 AM
As I said before, Nintendo + PC is all a gamer who isnt a FF/dragon quest nut needs (and theres even FF games for the pc now that I think about it). All good xbox games are in the PC, and since most are FPS they actually have better controls.

 
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Post by: couchmonkey on May 24, 2006, 07:04:01 AM
Playstation has a number of games that interest me, not just FF/DQ.  See: Ico, Collosus, Katamari, Kingdom Hearts, Virtua Fighter, Okami, plus about 20 other Japanese RPGs... Xbox, not as much, so many of the games go to PC, but there are still a few games from Rare, Sega and Tecmo I'd like to play on them.

In spite of all that, the only likely reason for me to buy a second system is if Wii pulls a Nintendo 64 on me.  I guess I kind of agree with Kairon: why would I want to spend $400 or even $200 on new hardware when I can buy several games instead?
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Post by: nemo_83 on May 26, 2006, 03:43:41 AM

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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 26, 2006, 09:05:53 AM
Wii60.com

every pic, gif & video that is wii60 related

Remember the days when every fan boi only defended on system?
Its kinda funny how many multi-system fan bois there are after E3 2006

Nemo, you should check out the link above, cause wii60.net is sorely lacking in content
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Post by: couchmonkey on May 27, 2006, 10:48:16 AM
Breaking news!  Bill Gates doesn't think the controller is so great.

Problem with his comment on the Sidewinder is, THIS is why Nintendo is in the hardware business.  It can push a new concept to the public in such a way that the only way to ignore it is to not consider Nintendo at all.  With the Sidewinder, it's just another faceless PC accessory that probably only worked with a few Microsoft games.  With the remote, if you own a Wii, you will use it.

As for comments on moving around and stuff, may turn out to be true, only time will tell.  Sounds like excuses to me.
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Post by: Syl on May 27, 2006, 11:21:40 AM
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Originally posted by: nemo_83



Is it sad that this picture actually gave me a few ideas for my next tattoo?  
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 27, 2006, 01:05:36 PM
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Originally posted by: Syl
Quote

Originally posted by: nemo_83
Peter Moore Tattooed


Is it sad that this picture actually gave me a few ideas for my next tattoo?
Actually.....yes, yes it is
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Post by: nemo_83 on May 27, 2006, 09:43:35 PM
IMAGE SIZE OVER 100K FAILURE
they're out to save the world from bad videogames  
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Post by: Syl on May 28, 2006, 07:36:24 AM
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Originally posted by: nemo_83
IMAGE SIZE OVER 100K FAILURE
they're out to save the world from bad videogames


Even further off topic: SiN Episodes Emergance actually had a spoof of that in-game.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/Sylaran/Game%20Screens/Sin06.jpg
Anyway, i guess in the minds of microsoft/sony, getting the Wii won't hurt them as much as getting a "competing" console, this is exactly what nintendo wanted.  The downside is that i'm going to be required to get a 360 or PS3 in order to play some of the games I want to play.  I wish most of them would come to PC, but i know that for platformers and action based titles and such, Mouse/keyboard isn't the best option.  (Even if the Xbox360 controller works wonderfully on PC)

ah, such is life.