Gaming Forums => Nintendo Gaming => Topic started by: jasonditz on May 10, 2006, 06:37:31 PM
Title: Rumor: Wii launch price $249, VC details
Post by: jasonditz on May 10, 2006, 06:37:31 PM
4 Color Rebellion has an article about someone who claims to have the next issue of EGM, and that issue reveals some stuff that we didn't hear at the press conference. Sounds a little fishy to me, or at least dubious, but here it is:
$249 launch price VC games will be "A few dollars for NES, $5 for SNES, $10 for N64" VC games will support progressive scan, but won't have graphical upgrades. TG16 VC games will be first party only, at least at launch.
Again, I have to doubt the validity of this source, but the info is perfectly plausible. I suppose we'll know for sure when the next EGM hits. Seems a bit pricey for those VC games... though it's still cheap when compared to Sony's download fees for added content. There are some games I probably would eschew at these prices though.
Title: RE: Rumor: Wii launch price $249, VC details
Post by: Arbok on May 10, 2006, 06:47:42 PM
Title: RE: Rumor: Wii launch price $249, VC details
Post by: Ceric on May 10, 2006, 06:51:58 PM
Pricey for the VC games? That's pretty much where it needs to be. People won't buy VC games like Music. They have a much longer life span so you don't need as many. I feel that a game should be at least 2 dollars, even though it pains me to say it.
Title: RE: Rumor: Wii launch price $249, VC details
Post by: jasonditz on May 10, 2006, 06:58:03 PM
price them right and I'd definitely be buying them like Music.
$10 for an N64 title is just too much, IMO. I can buy nearly all of those games in physical cartridges on the secondary market for less than that.
Title: RE: Rumor: Wii launch price $249, VC details
Post by: MANTI5 on May 10, 2006, 07:00:51 PM
Yeah, that's a bit too much. Especially with the availability of ROMS and like was said, you can buy the actual cartridges for little to nothing.
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Post by: nickmitch on May 10, 2006, 07:15:43 PM
And Indy games will be. . .
Title: RE:Rumor: Wii launch price $249, VC details
Post by: The Omen on May 10, 2006, 07:54:35 PM
Quote $10 for an N64 title is just too much, IMO. I can buy nearly all of those games in physical cartridges on the secondary market for less than that.
I think it boils down to convenience, and Nintendo knows this. If I'm home, it's 3am, and my friend tells me he's never played Hybrid Heaven for the N64, then I will by all means pay $10. It's not that outlandish a price considering I still see some N64 games go for upwards of $20. Also, as far as the business angle of things, it's the perfect price point for Nintendo-just enough to make great money, and low enough to encourage impulse 'buys'.
Oh yeah, and lets not forget convenience...CONVENIENCE! You say you can buy the physical cartridges for less, but guess what? You'll pay a measly $3 more to stay in your home and download it without having to break out your car keys, and then your N64.
Title: RE:Rumor: Wii launch price $249, VC details
Post by: Athrun Zala on May 10, 2006, 08:11:22 PM
Quote Originally posted by: Arbok http://www.revolutionreport.com/articles/read/440 This source mentioned a lot of the same things earlier, although some different details (like the mention of the Godzilla game).
the fact that MP3 is a officialy confirmed launch game and that SSBB was pushed to 2007 makes me doubt.... although it could've been a mistake by EGM?
Title: RE: Rumor: Wii launch price $249, VC details
Post by: jasonditz on May 10, 2006, 08:46:19 PM
I can't picture a single N64 game I'm going to pay $10 for. The only thing they might've got me on was if they had Perfect Dark with some of the slowdown issues removed (a trivial matter for an emulator, it would seem). Doesn't sound like that's happening though.
If they were $0.99 for NES and SNES games I'd be downloading hundreds of games. At $5 for the SNES my list probably goes down to 6 or 7 games. And $2-3 for NES titles? I can think offhand of exactly 4 games I'd buy (Dragon Warrior 3 and 4, Genghis Khan, and Shingen the Ruler)
From a profit standpoint, and considering how little it costs Nintendo to send a sub 1 MB compressed ROM file, the per-unit cost is essentially zero, they're going to make a lot less money on me this way.
Title: RE:Rumor: Wii launch price $249, VC details
Post by: Michael8983 on May 10, 2006, 08:55:59 PM
Somehow I doubt there will be set prices. I mean should Mario 64 cost as much to download as Superman 64? I think it will be more based on the demand for the title. Like Mario, Zelda, and Metroid games will be fairly pricey while lesser known titles especially from third-parties will be MUCH cheaper. I think the minimum price will be $1 while the absolute maximum will be $10 however. I suspect Nintendo will also impliment some kind of rental option and subscription fee for FULL access.
Title: RE: Rumor: Wii launch price $249, VC details
Post by: MANTI5 on May 10, 2006, 09:05:09 PM
Anyone who downloads and plays Superman 64 should have their Wii taken away.
It's been tossed around that new games will come with a few free downloads, hopefully that's true.
Title: RE: Rumor: Wii launch price $249, VC details
Post by: jasonditz on May 10, 2006, 09:09:13 PM
Superman 64 is bad enough it warrants at least a rental. I bought a copy from Target for like $5 when they were clearing out their N64 games.
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Post by: BiLdItUp1 on May 10, 2006, 09:33:02 PM
Hmff...I fully expect Nintendo to drop that price to $199, N64-style. I mean, have they ever NOT launched @199 before? Nope.
Title: RE: Rumor: Wii launch price $249, VC details
Post by: Nick DiMola on May 10, 2006, 09:47:23 PM
I just don't care anymore. The price is irrelevant, it's under $300 and thats good enough for me. Though I will agree $200 is far more likely and it would mean essentially another launch title for me instead (I'm sure I'm not the only one who would take that $50 and just blow it on another game).
Title: RE:Rumor: Wii launch price $249, VC details
Post by: Arbok on May 10, 2006, 09:51:03 PM
Quote Originally posted by: jasonditz I can't picture a single N64 game I'm going to pay $10 for.
I can: Ogre Battle 64, as I could never find the game and always wanted to play it.
Title: RE:Rumor: Wii launch price $249, VC details
Post by: The Omen on May 10, 2006, 10:19:54 PM
Quote Quote Originally posted by: jasonditz I can't picture a single N64 game I'm going to pay $10 for.
I can: Ogre Battle 64, as I could never find the game and always wanted to play it.
I owned it. Great game. And was a $69.99 cartridge if memory serves.
Title: RE:Rumor: Wii launch price $249, VC details
Post by: Crimm on May 10, 2006, 10:32:00 PM
I don't recall if Ogre Battle 64 was $70, but I do know it cost more then I had ever (or have ever again) paid for a video game.
That said, it is a fantastic (and LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG) game.
Title: RE: Rumor: Wii launch price $249, VC details
Post by: Pale on May 10, 2006, 11:29:17 PM
Hey. Wanted to update you guys on some rumblings from the show floor. We were tempted to jump on this rumor too, but we have heard several different prices, all with seemingly reliable back stories, here at E3. I'm starting to wonder if Nintendo has even decided yet.
Title: RE: Rumor: Wii launch price $249, VC details
Post by: IceCold on May 10, 2006, 11:36:04 PM
Someone at Sega said that you can bet on a $200 pricepoint..
Title: RE: Rumor: Wii launch price $249, VC details
Post by: Dirk Temporo on May 11, 2006, 12:39:55 AM
And EGM was just guessing. The exact quote escapes me, but it was something like "$250 would be a fair price" or something.
Title: RE:Rumor: Wii launch price $249, VC details
Post by: Rhoq on May 11, 2006, 04:20:35 AM
AMN has a "hands on" preview of the virtual console (HERE).
According to the article, prices are to be determined later and the interface is not yet final. The good news is that it looks like the VC handles emulation better than the original consoles that the games were released on. Frame rate drops seem to be nil and the upconvert to 480P make these games look better than ever.
Title: RE: Rumor: Wii launch price $249, VC details
Post by: couchmonkey on May 11, 2006, 08:34:34 AM
I'm guessing Nintendo hasn't decided yet. Hardly anybody NEEDS to know the price right now, and the marketing guys are probably arguing over what to bundle with the system and what price will sell the most units.
I've argued the Virtual Console game prices thing sooo many times it hurts. I think the prices suggested here are fine.
Title: RE: Rumor: Wii launch price $249, VC details
Post by: Chode2234 on May 11, 2006, 02:59:47 PM
Forbes analysts predict a $200 dollar price point.
There is also some "Nintendo will totally pwn Sony at this pricepoint" commentary too.
Title: RE: Rumor: Wii launch price $249, VC details
Post by: Frozen Atlantic on May 11, 2006, 04:42:41 PM
The Wii plugs into a hard drive. Thus, Emulators > Virtual Console.
I'm more interested in new SNES games from indie guys than playing Super Metroid again.
Title: RE:Rumor: Wii launch price $249, VC details
Post by: Jensen on May 11, 2006, 10:05:21 PM
I doubt we will have any new games for an specific older platform. We may get games that look like SNES games, though. But I still don't see Nintendo allowing any real indie games. I'd love to see Cave Story as a download-able game, but I don't see it happening.
If you haven't played Cave Story, you need to download it immediately. It is an excellent side-scrolling action/adventure game...Metroid and Castlevania are the closest comparisons.
Title: RE: Rumor: Wii launch price $249, VC details
Post by: RickPowers on May 12, 2006, 05:55:19 AM
All I want is Blast Corps. I don't care if it's on the Wii Virtual Console, or Xbox Live Arcade ... I want to ram armored cars into things again!
As for the price, I'm hearing rumblings. Lots and lots of rumblings, with very specific, provocative language. Stay tuned.
Title: RE:Rumor: Wii launch price $249, VC details
Post by: Rhoq on May 12, 2006, 06:02:17 AM
Quote Originally posted by: RickPowers As for the price, I'm hearing rumblings. Lots and lots of rumblings, with very specific, provocative language. Stay tuned.
You are such a tease. LOL
Title: RE: Rumor: Wii launch price $249, VC details
Post by: RiskyChris on May 12, 2006, 06:24:23 AM
I'm not paying $10 for an N64 game with that abyssmal classic controller. Come out with an N64 style classic controller and then they'll get my money.
Title: RE: Rumor: Wii launch price $249, VC details
Post by: BiLdItUp1 on May 12, 2006, 07:15:12 AM
I believe it won't be long before a couple of geniuses in South China come up with a way to plug in classic controllers into the Wii. In fact, I'd be surprised if Nintendo themselves didn't release such a peripheral. Ah wtvr
Title: RE:Rumor: Wii launch price $249, VC details
Post by: PaLaDiN on May 12, 2006, 07:24:22 AM
Quote Originally posted by: RickPowers As for the price, I'm hearing rumblings. Lots and lots of rumblings, with very specific, provocative language. Stay tuned.
Obviously the rumblings are coming from publishers and developers swearing at exactly how much Nintendo overpriced the Wii. I'd imagine the insults get pretty specific and provocative. I'm guessing a price of $350.
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Post by: willie1234 on May 12, 2006, 07:50:35 AM
I'm a little disapointed with the classic controller as well. I played the GBA recently and my hands started to hurt after 10 minutes, and this looks like it may be a repeat. I'm hoping you can play virtual consol games with the gamecube controller.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on May 12, 2006, 09:37:46 AM
Rick: Will you create a Rumor Report with the information you have heard when you have the time...and for that matter a Rumor Report for all things Wii. What could be the additional secrets. When will we learn about the launch and prices. Can I get this before my birthday? (Nov. 17th) I need to know all this and more. A nice Rumor Report from someone gathering information from E3 would be great.
Title: RE: Rumor: Wii launch price $249, VC details
Post by: Ceric on May 12, 2006, 10:14:27 AM
I don't think I made my point clear. 99 cent song lasts on average 3 minutes. 99 cent game on average at least an hour. That fact of the matter is that it takes longer to go through a bunch of games so you need less of them. Songs to get a full 30 minutes of tunes you just spent 10 bucks or so. $1 for 30 minutes of gaming. I mean come on. You can't even get that at the arcade. I know there are games that it works out to be about that much if not less but that makes the price even more ridiculous. I'm sorry but $1 sounds nice but I don't think its practical.
Now on the other hand The best of the N64 gen should be at most $20.
Willie1234: I think the original GBA is more ergonomic then all the other handhelds to date.
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Post by: Ian Sane on May 12, 2006, 10:18:05 AM
"I don't think I made my point clear. 99 cent song lasts on average 3 minutes. 99 cent game on average at least an hour."
By that logic a videogame should cost about ten times what a DVD costs because a movie only offers two hours of entertainment while a good game can offer 20 or more.
Title: RE: Rumor: Wii launch price $249, VC details
Post by: Spak-Spang on May 12, 2006, 10:35:35 AM
1.99 is easily a very fair price for NES games and SNES games.
2.99-4.99 for N64 games is also a very fair price point.
Then I could save the 5.99-9.99 games for brand new games made specifically for the virtual console, or games ported from CD games that are quite larger and took more work.
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Post by: MANTI5 on May 12, 2006, 11:11:59 AM
And it wouldn't be suprising if they ran promotions through other products for free downloads, sorta like what gets done with itunes.
Title: RE:Rumor: Wii launch price $249, VC details
Post by: RickPowers on May 12, 2006, 11:13:23 AM
Quote Originally posted by: PaLaDiN Obviously the rumblings are coming from publishers and developers swearing at exactly how much Nintendo overpriced the Wii. I'd imagine the insults get pretty specific and provocative. I'm guessing a price of $350.
Wow, did you read that wrong ...
Title: RE:Rumor: Wii launch price $249, VC details
Post by: Athrun Zala on May 12, 2006, 11:28:50 AM
Quote Originally posted by: PaLaDiN
Quote Originally posted by: RickPowers As for the price, I'm hearing rumblings. Lots and lots of rumblings, with very specific, provocative language. Stay tuned.
Obviously the rumblings are coming from publishers and developers swearing at exactly how much Nintendo overpriced the Wii. I'd imagine the insults get pretty specific and provocative. I'm guessing a price of $350.
lol, Ithought it more like "OMFG! like so *beep* cheap! so *beep* awesome!" ect
Title: RE:Rumor: Wii launch price $249, VC details
Post by: vudu on May 12, 2006, 11:29:59 AM
Quote Originally posted by: RickPowers Wow, did you read that wrong ...
We could say the same about you.
Paladin was being sarcastic.
Title: RE:Rumor: Wii launch price $249, VC details
Post by: EasyCure on May 12, 2006, 05:49:41 PM
these are the only games i can think of off the top of my head to pay $10 for:
GoldenEye * Perfect Dark* Sin & Punishment
*they are unlikely because of the whole Rare thing but i would love to play those on a controller thats anolog stick isnt worn out and "limp" (anyone else have that problem when going back to n64 games?)
also, i'd just like to say i dont have a big problem with the retro-mote. the few things that bug me is the z button on the top looks really out of place and hard to reach. i hope they redisgn it so that it has a few grooves in the back to rap your fingers around, instead of being sorta flat (atleast that what the pics make it out to be) and having the z trigger on the left hand groove where you index or middle finger could rest. that would make n64 games so much easier to play and have a similar feel to the n64 controller.