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Title: another controller
Post by: MANTI5 on May 09, 2006, 09:42:17 AM: http://img487.imageshack.us/img487/6470/classicwii0hg.jpg

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Post by: Strell on May 09, 2006, 09:43:11 AM: Wtf is this????
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Post by: Ian Sane on May 09, 2006, 09:44:29 AM: Looks cool. But how do you play N64 games on it with only four face buttons?
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Post by: vudu on May 09, 2006, 09:46:33 AM: Looks like a third party dual shock. Pass.
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Post by: wandering on May 09, 2006, 09:46:48 AM: Hey, looks like alot like a design I posted awhile back....

Is that for real, or just a mockup?
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Post by: vudu on May 09, 2006, 09:49:01 AM: Mockup. Not even a real good one at that.

Look at the analog sticks. Notice they're exactly the same (same viewing angle) despite the controller being pictured head-on? They both go down and to the right at the exact same angle.
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Post by: willie1234 on May 09, 2006, 09:55:06 AM: i think it's real -

http://www.nintendo.co.jp/n10/e3_2006/wii/controller.html

maybe the gc controller for n64 games?
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Post by: Athrun Zala on May 09, 2006, 09:57:38 AM: actually it is real

[L]http://www.nintendo.co.jp/n10/e3_2006/wii/controller.html[/L]

Edit: beaten
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Post by: vudu on May 09, 2006, 09:59:14 AM: Fudge.
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Post by: Arbok on May 09, 2006, 10:03:40 AM: Weak, very weak.... I very dissapointed in the "shell", was hoping for something much better. I can see why it wasn't shown at all in the conference.
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Post by: Michael8983 on May 09, 2006, 10:04:28 AM: Looks like Nintendo may have scrapped the shell idea and decided to make an optional standard controller.
It's sure to come in handy for the downloadable games and I suspect it will be dirt cheap with its simple design and CORD but if original titles on the Wii use it, it will get confusing for consumers.

It's odd how it's only on the JAPANESE Wii site. Perhaps it won't make it to the US at all.
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Post by: UncleBob on May 09, 2006, 10:06:58 AM: Yup... Was coming here to say it appears to be real
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Post by: TrueNerd on May 09, 2006, 10:07:36 AM: I don't see what's so horrible about that. Just a standard controller.
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Post by: Stimutacs Addict on May 09, 2006, 10:13:05 AM: yea but there will be some N64 games that will be slightly harder to handle without those C buttons (though most just used the C's for camera; I wouldn't mind playing goldeneye/Pdark with that "shell")
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Post by: MANTI5 on May 09, 2006, 10:18:02 AM: The second stick can be used for the c buttons. I use my pc controller just like that to play N64 roms, it's not that difficult.
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Post by: TrueNerd on May 09, 2006, 10:21:02 AM: All of the N64's C-button controls could be mapped to the right analog stick. Did you ever play OoT on the Cube? The ocarina songs worked just fine pushing a stick instead of hitting a button. And if they're just camera controls, even easier. There's no problem here.
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Post by: Requiem on May 09, 2006, 10:32:45 AM: Ahhhh sh!t, it's not wireless.

It's a pretty slick controller though, but its not wireless.

Where do they plan on hooking it up? In the GC slots?
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Post by: trip1eX on May 09, 2006, 10:39:13 AM: I wouldn't count on this being included with the Wii console yet. I don't see it listed on the English Wii website. Lots of the same photos as the Japan site. But no photo of the classic controller. There is no mention of the classic controller. under the included hardware features. Just a mention of the wiimote and nunchuk.
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Post by: wandering on May 09, 2006, 10:42:21 AM: Looks fine. *shrug*. Honestly, my biggest concern was that the thing would be too big (I wouldn't want to deal with gamecube-sized controllers in addition to the wiimote and nunchaku), so I'm happy this thing looks so compact.

I'm surprised they ditched the shell idea, thouigh. If I remember, it was originally Miyamoto's. I was expecting some of his games to use it....but I guess they loved Retro's nunchaku idea too much.
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Post by: UncleBob on May 09, 2006, 10:48:57 AM: Quote
Originally posted by: trip1eX
I wouldn't count on this being included with the Wii console yet. I don't see it listed on the English Wii website. Lots of the same photos as the Japan site. But no photo of the classic controller. There is no mention of the classic controller. under the included hardware features. Just a mention of the wiimote and nunchuk.

It's on there. In secret.
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Post by: OverHeat on May 09, 2006, 10:59:06 AM: Wow, I thought that controller looks freakin awesome! Have none of you guys played a SNES before? That controller looks almost just like that design, save for the extra shoulder buttons and the dual anologs, which make it look longer. The old SNES pad was, IMHO the best digital-style controller made. Interesting how they put the dual analogs in the center, like the PS controller. I guess this will really be their "port" controller. I wonder if they will rip off Sony and give it a "motion sensor"? *snicker*
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Post by: PaLaDiN on May 09, 2006, 10:59:31 AM: This isn't the shell. Remember, the shell wraps around the Wiimote. That's why it's called the shell.

This is a controller to play downloaded games.
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Post by: anubis6789 on May 09, 2006, 11:02:31 AM: I think it will be wireless in a way...the cord probably plugs into the bottom of the Wiimote.

anyone else interested at the prospect of the two inner triggers like I am? I wonder if they will work properly in that position?
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Post by: wandering on May 09, 2006, 11:20:39 AM: "I think it will be wireless in a way...the cord probably plugs into the bottom of the Wiimote."

Wouldn't that be incredibly awkward? Where would you put the Wiimote? Would it just dangle?
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Post by: mantidor on May 09, 2006, 11:24:56 AM: Since when did the analogs went down there? Nintendo copying sony now? its disgusting, I HATE analogs placed like that.
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Post by: Requiem of Darcness on May 09, 2006, 11:28:05 AM: Wow you guys beat me to it. Anyway it looks to have 8 action buttons total. 4 face buttons and 4 shoulder buttons. It actually look more functional than the GC controller IMO. The lack of wireless functionality is puzzling but maybe I'd actually be able to play some good old SNK and Capcom 2D fighters with it. Edit: Its only fair Mantidor, I mean Sony tried to jack the motion sensing abilities of the Wii controller. Turn about is fair play no?
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Post by: OverHeat on May 09, 2006, 11:35:03 AM: I have an idea of where the Wiimote can go. See, you hold the controller in you hands, and squeeze the Wiimote between your thighs. >=D Then, with developed hip movement...voila!
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Post by: UltimatePartyBear on May 09, 2006, 11:50:31 AM: Regarding the layout: This thing is intended primarily for playing games for which the D-pad is the primary input, not the analog stick. It makes sense for the D-pad to be in the primary position in that case. The criticism against the Dual Shock is that with the move to 3D games, the analog stick should have been moved to the primary position. Also, judging by the width of the cord, D-pad, and buttons, this thing's pretty small. I doubt it will be as much of a reach to the analog sticks on this controller as it is on the Dual Shock.

For N64 games, I hope that the controls can be customized. for games that just use the C buttons for camera control, the stick would work fine, but for some games it would be nice to be able to choose which buttons do what. With the extra shoulder buttons, every button could be remapped, although the best layout for each game might be different.

I'm not convinced this is the final design. The home button isn't recessed like it is on the new remote, for starters, and it's not wireless.
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Post by: couchmonkey on May 09, 2006, 11:57:59 AM: Looks like it might be hard to hold, but I'm glad they went with a more traditional button configuration. I hope I'm wrong about the holding thing.
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Post by: OverHeat on May 09, 2006, 12:24:22 PM: Reading the brief description at the bottom; those L and R buttons (the big ones) are analog. Other than Gamecube, which is supposed to use its own controllers, nothing in the VC should really need those. I wonder what this thing is for, when all is said and done. It is labeled as "Classic Controller" so one /could/ infer that it is to be used for the VC games, but... isnt that what they are already calling the way 360 and PS3 games will handle? The "classic" way? There are substantial pieces of kanji I cant read, but when my wife gets home from work I will have her take a look at it and translate it for me. If you guys are interested, lemme know and I'll post what I find out.
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Post by: MaryJane on May 09, 2006, 02:43:48 PM: INTERESTED!
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Post by: Jensen on May 09, 2006, 04:35:16 PM: Quote
Originally posted by: PaLaDiN
This isn't the shell. Remember, the shell wraps around the Wiimote. That's why it's called the shell.

This is a controller to play downloaded games.

There won't be a shell. The only thing that would be different about the shell would be that it would allow motion control. It would be easier to just add a motion sensor to the controller than to make a docking mechanism. It may just be a clone of the PS3 controller. But the motion control in the PS3 controller is a joke, so they may not even need that.

This controller can play all VC games and Gamecube games.
It can also play Wii games that need classic (PS2(3)/Xbox(360)) style controls. I don't see any need for a Wii game to use classic controls and motion control ar the same time... that would be as akward as the ps3 controller demo.
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Post by: nemo_83 on May 09, 2006, 04:36:55 PM: that sucks
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Post by: mmortal03 on May 09, 2006, 05:28:13 PM: Go here for more discussion on it:
http://www.planetgamecube.com/forums/messageview.cfm?catid=7&threadid=15947
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Post by: OverHeat on May 09, 2006, 07:45:45 PM: Well, thank the cryptic Japanese language if you'd like, but after some back and forth with my wife and two dictionaries later, I have the translation to the Nintendo.co.jp description of the controller. It only furthers my original belief that this will not only be the "shell" but a virtual console controller as well. The line reads "Has Wii Remote communication funcionality". Take that as you will. Sounds to me like they may have decided to make one controller for VC and ports which, IMHO, is a good idea.
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Post by: KDR_11k on May 10, 2006, 06:33:15 AM: Urk. How about handles? WTF is with the analog sticks? And how does that play N64 games? What are the four shoulder buttons good for, it's not emulating anything with more than three. Or is that supposed to be a controller for games that don't want to change their controls when being ported from the PS2/3 to the Wii?
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Post by: 18 Days on May 10, 2006, 06:37:18 AM: This is the worst controller ever. It should be banned. Anyone who likes it should leave. I'll play Super Nintendo games with the remote.
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Post by: couchmonkey on May 10, 2006, 06:45:11 AM: Maybe you should try it before you decide that...
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Post by: 18 Days on May 10, 2006, 06:52:30 AM: Maybe you should leave.