Post by: wandering on April 30, 2006, 07:36:10 AM
Post by: mantidor on April 30, 2006, 07:51:46 AM
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"this will just be used to help market the Wii and won't result in Nintendo actually changing the name back."
I dont see how anyone would be sad if they change the name back without looking contradictory, given that before everyone Ive seen here loved the name revolution. I cant recall anyone saying it sucked until the new name was announced when suddenly some people went "it was so pretentious and unreachable".
Post by: KDR_11k on April 30, 2006, 09:00:36 AM
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Post by: Arbok on April 30, 2006, 09:34:19 AM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on April 30, 2006, 09:53:28 AM
How can we (and when I say we, I both the haters and the Wii followers) vote on that?
Post by: BigJim on April 30, 2006, 09:58:27 AM
Post by: RiskyChris on April 30, 2006, 10:16:57 AM
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That would skew the results.
Lol seriously. You think a company specializing in research quality data will just post it on the internet?
I'm dying over here.
Post by: Ceric on April 30, 2006, 10:42:20 AM
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Post by: IceCold on April 30, 2006, 01:56:38 PM
QuoteBut then you wanted to call it the Prometheus
Originally posted by: KDR_11k
I remember calling the Rev name pretentious when it was first announced.
Post by: Hostile Creation on April 30, 2006, 02:48:07 PM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on April 30, 2006, 02:52:29 PM
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Originally posted by: Ceric
RickyChris is right. Someone who specializes in research need to honestly know as much as possible about who is taking there survey. Online is not the ideal medium for this. Now informal maybe. It's a little late for Nintendo to renounce the name. The PR people in NOA has already went to the plate for this name. They've gone as far as to tell us to live with it. You don't say that unless it's pretty much written in stone.
True, they may say that. But remember there have been sudden changes in the past due to either fan demand or internal affairs.
For example, Sony had said that the original PS3 controller was done. But due to a lot of whining and bitching about how ugly it was Sony decided to re-design.
For Jet Force Gemini, the original characters were kids. But apparently Nintendo and rare ran a survey and apparently people thought they looked too young, so they went back and re-designed them to look older.
There have been cases like this in which everyone believes that there won't be any changes, then suddenly it happens. I'm not saying that this may happen for sure, but you never know.
If Nintendo is thinking of changing the name, they have till the end of the year to do so.
Post by: Dasmos on April 30, 2006, 05:25:28 PM
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Post by: wandering on April 30, 2006, 06:22:01 PM
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I dont see how anyone would be sad if they change the name back without looking contradictory, given that before everyone Ive seen here loved the name revolution. I cant recall anyone saying it sucked until the new name was announced when suddenly some people went "it was so pretentious and unreachable".
I never said it sucked but I think I expressed doubts from time to time. At point I remember pointing out that, if you searched for Revolution on Google or Wikipedia, you weren't going to get stuff about Nintendo's next console without digging for it.
Post by: capamerica on April 30, 2006, 06:25:37 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on April 30, 2006, 06:26:33 PM
2. Nintendo Kamehameha
Post by: RiskyChris on April 30, 2006, 06:30:45 PM
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I hope they do change it. I've been at Nintendo's side through the good times and the bad, but I can't stand by them with such a God awful name as 'wii'
Then leave.
Post by: eljefe on April 30, 2006, 06:33:14 PM
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Originally posted by: wandering
I never said it sucked but I think I expressed doubts from time to time. At point I remember pointing out that, if you searched for Revolution on Google or Wikipedia, you weren't going to get stuff about Nintendo's next console without digging for it.
co-signed
Post by: heinous_anus on April 30, 2006, 07:27:02 PM
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Originally posted by: Dasmos
I would actually hate Nintendo if they changed it back from listening to all the whiny fools on the Internet. Revolution seems so bland in comparison, although the name wouldn't stop me from warranting it a purchase.
Why does it have to be changed back to "Revolution"? Couldn't it be their #2 ch...wait, maybe that's not such a good idea. Well, couldn't they get someone to give it a different name?
Post by: norebonomis on April 30, 2006, 07:44:30 PM
besides, does anyone plan on not buying this thing because of it's name?
Post by: MysticGohan on April 30, 2006, 07:57:00 PM
Post by: mantidor on April 30, 2006, 08:17:58 PM
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Originally posted by: Professional 666
1. Nintendo Keanu
2. Nintendo Kamehameha
where have you been!? you never fail to make me laugh and I really needed it during these recent events.
Post by: Smash_Brother on May 01, 2006, 06:18:31 AM
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Originally posted by: capamerica
I hope they do change it. I've been at Nintendo's side through the good times and the bad, but I can't stand by them with such a God awful name as 'wii'
It just makes it harder to be a Nintendo fan. I don't need some assh*le at Gamestop smirking at me when I ask him for a game on the "wee". I deal with enough idiots on a daily basis as it is (GS employees already tend to be Sony/MS fanboys. This will just make them even MORE unbearable).
As for the discussion, I'd be far, far less hostile toward the name if it wasn't a real word which we use every day already. I like Wist (wireless interactive sensory technology) or any other invented word.
The best way to put it is to ask yourself this: were there any hate threads when the name Revolution was announced? Was there an outcry from gamers the world over? Did messageboards erupt into flame? Did Nintendo's feedback system crash?
No, and thus it's safe to say that people didn't think "Revolution" was this bad.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on May 01, 2006, 06:24:00 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on May 01, 2006, 06:30:07 AM
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Originally posted by: VGrevolution
Then again the message boards (which are not a fair representation of the world I might add) erupted with anger over the controller. Let's face it though, if you are going to let a stupid Gamestop employee embarass you for asking about it, maybe you should A) Go some place else B) Live with it. The GS employees pretty much smirked at me when I asked about the Revolution, so honestly I don't see much changing. Besides once the knee jerk reactions are over I really don't think your ego is going to be damaged much for asking to reserve it.
It's not a question of ego: I don't look to GS employees for acceptance, but I don't want to have to turn the other cheek, either (on a bad day, I'd punch the guy).
Why give your console a name where such a thing is even remotely possible? If there's even a slim chance that your customers will be laughed at for buying the thing, then you've picked a sh*tty name and should probably reconsider.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on May 01, 2006, 06:36:57 AM
Post by: eljefe on May 01, 2006, 06:38:53 AM
As you mentioned, game store employees have been snickering at Nintendo fans since PSX came out. That didn't stop me from buying an N64 and games, Dreamcast and games, and a Gamecube and games.
Generally, since I know more about their products than they do, I never ask them anything. The only words spoken are when he/she tells the total price and tells me to sign the receipt.
I see this as an issue only for non-gamers who need info and prefer asking instore clerks rather than doing a search on the web.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on May 01, 2006, 06:42:54 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on May 01, 2006, 07:04:12 AM
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Originally posted by: VGrevolution
I get odd looks when I want Gamecube games (which is yet another silly name when looked at from an objective viewpoint), so basically if they didn't have Wii to snicker at you with it would be something else. Alot of it is derived from their bias against Nintendo, no matter what the name is. Once the product is out and IF it does do what is promised for gaming, that smug look will be rubbed right off their face.
Truth be told, with games like Red Steel at the forefront, I thought it was becoming exponentially more difficult to mock Nintendo.
I think the "wee" name unfortunately reopens that door, and it's not just me talking to a GS clerk that I'm worried about, it's that, when it's universally accepted to mock a company, it's rare that someone will buy their products. I'm quite certain that Nintendo being mocked this past gen greatly reduced their sales. When someone is on the fence about buying something, it's not hard for image to be what finally tips them.
I'd think something as simple as "Don't open your product up for mockery" would be learned in marketing 101. If people don't respect the product (starting with the name), how will they ever be swayed to buy it?
Post by: Smash_Brother on May 01, 2006, 07:05:54 AM
The last question doesn't make any sense and it was supposedly sent in by an "anonymous tipster".
Post by: Mario on May 01, 2006, 07:10:53 AM
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The best way to put it is to ask yourself this: were there any hate threads when the name Revolution was announced? Was there an outcry from gamers the world over? Did messageboards erupt into flame? Did Nintendo's feedback system crash?
No, thus it wasn't very effective and made no impact. I'm not saying Revolution is bad, i'm just saying that "Nintendo Revolution" stands for a gaming revolution, Wii is going for much more than just the usual gaming crowd.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on May 01, 2006, 07:18:03 AM
The double i in "Wii" has potential to do just that. so I think the rational thing is sit back, calm down and wait a couple of months, then if you still have complaints vent them but at least give the marketing a chance first! This whining and complaining is not doing any good, Nintendo will not change the name. All someone is doing is adding more fuel to the fire, maybe even causing more problems from the constant negativity, which will rub off on others who may otherwise be indifferent or even intrigued by it.
Post by: Smash_Brother on May 01, 2006, 07:18:15 AM
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The people Nintendo are aiming at capturing are not going to give a crap what a game store employee thinks, because they aren't giant nerds, and giant nerds are going to buy it anyway because we are informed.
Given that there's zero guarantee that this audience is going to be captured, I don't think Nintendo's in the position to burn any bridges just yet.
The DS is a runaway success in Japan where it did reach the untapped audience, but I don't think it's done anywhere near the same damage in the US where people aren't nearly as hung up on electronics.
If 1 of every 5 girls owned a DS and Nintendogs, I'd have to agree, but since that's far from the case, I don't think there's any reason the Rev will do in the US what the DS did in Japan: reach the untapped market.
Besides, getting the Rev into the home is half the battle, and whether that happens because of little Billy buying one or reaching the untapped market is irrelevant.
If Billy buys a Rev, his mother will be far more inclined to pick up the Bob Roth painting game for it.
Post by: Mario on May 01, 2006, 07:29:23 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on May 01, 2006, 07:34:12 AM
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I don't really see your point there, should they just give up trying to capture the mainstream? Obviously the conservative strategy with the DS didn't work in the US, so I don't think they should try the same thing again with Wii.
Yeah, I guess I can respect that more as a marketing decision. My thought was that they seem to be pushing away from the hardcore in an attempt to capture more market. Ideally, they'd try to acquire more without losing or falling away from the current market.
I think they could have come up with a name that would have been big and daring without sounding diminutive or be on the receiving end of many jokes.
Post by: Mario on May 01, 2006, 07:40:55 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on May 01, 2006, 07:51:25 AM
An example of the right kind of gamble is the new controller because it opens up many possibilities.
Maybe if they played the angle of "It's so badass, it can have a wimpy name." then it'll garner respect for it, but that would take a TREMENDOUS amount of advertising.
Basically, it can happen, but they need to roll out a hundred million dollar ad campaign (if the DS made $800 million last year, then they should be able to do it).
Post by: Ian Sane on May 01, 2006, 08:01:23 AM
Even if they stick with the "Wii" idea I suggest they change the spelling to "We". That way it's CLEAR that they don't mean piss and there's no doubt about the pronunciation.
People mention iPod and I think one thing that makes that name work is the "Pod" part of it. A pod is a thing. It's an object. "We" isn't. It's just a pronoun that can only be used in certain context. So something like WeMachine or something would work better because it identifies it as an object. The "We" part is still there but a name like that I think would fly better in North America.
I also think "Unity" would get across the togetherness idea without sounding childish or wimpy. That sounds cool but still has the same theme behind it. Hell even calling it the "Us" would sound better.
Post by: Smash_Brother on May 01, 2006, 08:13:44 AM
Plus, it'd be effectively named after the US, making it the "Patriotic Console".
Post by: Mario on May 01, 2006, 08:18:17 AM
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Even if they stick with the "Wii" idea I suggest they change the spelling to "We". That way it's CLEAR that they don't mean piss and there's no doubt about the pronunciation.
What, why? "We" is way more like "wee" than "Wii" is. Same pronounciations, but "we" is closer in spelling, plus Wii looks more exciting than We, and actually establishes itself as a new brand.
Post by: Smash_Brother on May 01, 2006, 08:22:36 AM
"We're the gamers, and it's all about Us."
"If we want Revolution in gaming, it's up to Us."
Plus, everyone already knows how to pronounce it.
I just hope they drop a colossal ad bomb on the US and other english speaking territories. The way I see it, Nintendo is trying to change what people think of when they hear "wee" to be the name of their console. That's gonna take a huge campaign, but I think it's doable.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on May 01, 2006, 10:28:18 AM
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It's about "Us" would work.
Plus, it'd be effectively named after the US, making it the "Patriotic Console".
Then every country in the world will hate the Wii even more because it reminds them of an egotistical, power hungry, money grabbing country...
Congratulations, Smash_Brother! You just have created a name worse than Wii! :-P
Post by: Smash_Brother on May 01, 2006, 11:04:06 AM
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Originally posted by: pap64 Congratulations, Smash_Brother! You just have created a name worse than Wii! :-P
Then call it the UK in England, the CA in Canada, etc. etc.
Make it the console for everyone, regardless of country or nationality.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on May 01, 2006, 11:06:38 AM
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Originally posted by: pap64 Congratulations, Smash_Brother! You just have created a name worse than Wii! :-P
Then call it the UK in England, the CA in Canada, etc. etc.
Make it the console for everyone, regardless of country or nationality.
Then call Nintendo's Online service the UN- United Nations.
It will easily replicate the experience of the REAL UN! Right down to the mud slinging, smack talk and violence!
YAY VIOLENCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on May 01, 2006, 11:18:14 AM
QuoteOr just call it the *. That's the wildcard character, so everyone could call it whatever they wanted.
Then call it the UK in England, the CA in Canada, etc. etc.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on May 01, 2006, 11:22:19 AM
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Originally posted by: PartyBearQuoteOr just call it the *. That's the wildcard character, so everyone could call it whatever they wanted.
Then call it the UK in England, the CA in Canada, etc. etc.
Great, you turned the Wii into Prince..
"Hey, wanna play with my *? Sure! I would love to play some *! Let's get gather our *s together and play online!"
Post by: mantidor on May 01, 2006, 01:38:42 PM
Post by: Smash_Brother on May 01, 2006, 07:16:19 PM
I feel like I shouldn't be using it to end sentences, knowing how it's pronounced...
Post by: wandering on May 01, 2006, 07:43:00 PM
'What's the deal with Wii? Who thought it was a good idea to make a pronoun a noun? We is coming! That doesn't sound very grammatically correct to me!'
Post by: Renny on May 02, 2006, 05:28:31 AM
Don't read that aloud.
Post by: eljefe on May 02, 2006, 05:35:13 AM
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Im calling it the nostros, is an abreviattion of nosotros, we in spanish, and sounds like a million times better...yeah Im not kidding anyone, the name is simply unavoidable and unchangable, its the Wii... urgh... it sounds so awful!
That would've been a cool name (but its a little difficult for the average English speaker.)
I might call it that
tho.
Its very inclusive, partly cause it sounds like nuestros
which means "ours".
Post by: mantidor on May 02, 2006, 05:46:56 AM
Post by: eljefe on May 02, 2006, 06:03:11 AM
but would suffer the same "flaws" that some people see in DS.
Basically, if we could have thought of it, it wasn't disruptive enough for Nintendo.
Hence, the name Wii.
Post by: mantidor on May 02, 2006, 07:39:42 AM
Post by: RiskyChris on May 02, 2006, 08:13:50 AM
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But it wouldve make their marketing efforts easier and thus the inversion lower, it was almost a sure thing. The disruptive in the console is the method of input, not the name, the only disrupted are us, the ones who didnt need disruption.
That's bull. It's much easier to market a name that people immediately take notice of.
Post by: The Omen on May 02, 2006, 08:18:26 AM
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That's bull. It's much easier to market a name that people immediately take notice of.
Not if they have to ask at least two additional questions about a name they think is ridiculous. By the way, it is possible to take notice of a great name too.
Post by: Artimus on May 02, 2006, 09:03:48 AM
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That's bull. It's much easier to market a name that people immediately take notice of.
Not if they have to ask at least two additional questions about a name they think is ridiculous. By the way, it is possible to take notice of a great name too.
That's exactly what I'm not understanding about the "pro" argument. All the supposed things that are good about the Wii could be found in a name that doesn't have such huge downsides.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on May 02, 2006, 10:25:33 AM
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Originally posted by: The OmenQuote
That's bull. It's much easier to market a name that people immediately take notice of.
Not if they have to ask at least two additional questions about a name they think is ridiculous. By the way, it is possible to take notice of a great name too.
That's exactly what I'm not understanding about the "pro" argument. All the supposed things that are good about the Wii could be found in a name that doesn't have such huge downsides.
What name has potential to have a more symbolic visual appeal than Wii? The two "iis" not only apply to the word as a whole but also can be used to symbolically portray two individuals playing together (Like the trailer showed). In addition, I believe the reason for those two additional questions is so people have something to go off of without already predisposing the person they are asking to favor their own point of view. The questions are meant to provide an unbiased assessment of people's true thoughts of the name, nothing more, nothing less.
