Post by: Mario on April 21, 2006, 07:48:31 PM
I wonder how that's going to turn out... could it be just a demo like what Sega showed at DS's first E3? Maybe they are actually in development with a brand new game and they can show that already? Will it just be another underwhelming Sonic Adventure / Shadow / Sonic Heroes type game or will Sonic Team actually break out of mediocrity and produce a gem like Sonic Rush? Is it going to be traditional Sonic or will a whole new gameplay aspect be introduced?
I'm not getting my hopes up, but I really hope it turns out good. :P
Post by: Michael8983 on April 21, 2006, 08:20:21 PM
Post by: IceCold on April 21, 2006, 08:48:56 PM
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Post by: Infernal Monkey on April 21, 2006, 08:58:19 PM
Post by: Mario on April 21, 2006, 09:04:00 PM
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They should outsource it to Dimps again. Dimps created Rush, even though it says "created by Sonic Team". I didn't know this at first, and I was naive enough to believe that Soinc Team could actually still make a game worth something. I have no more faith anymore..
Sonic Team still had a fair amount of input into Rush though...
Post by: KDR_11k on April 21, 2006, 09:42:44 PM
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Post by: Kairon on April 21, 2006, 10:31:56 PM
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Post by: jasonditz on April 22, 2006, 08:28:43 AM
I wish instead of giving us another attempt at the Sonic franchise they'd just leave him on the DS (and give the 360 crappy 3D games if they really want). Why not give the Rev something like Burning Rangers instead? That's an idea that'd be well suited to the control scheme
Post by: Ceric on April 22, 2006, 09:34:52 AM
I agree that Sonic doesn't translated to 3D very well. When you haven't gotten it right in 2 gens just give it up. In a way it's surprising that Mario translated half as well as he did. That being said I personally beleive that nothing after SMB3 can hold a candle to SMB3 in the core Mario Franchise but, then I liked Sunshine more then Mario 64, I found the controls for 64 horrible and couldn't get over the lack of Flower Power. The DS version addressed some of this and it's an ok game of it's own right but I got to a point and didn't want to finish unlike Sunshine.
So here's to a 2d Sonic for Rev that uses the NES style way of the controller. Hoorah
Post by: NWR_pap64 on April 22, 2006, 10:50:35 AM
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Originally posted by: Ceric
I agree that Sonic doesn't translated to 3D very well. When you haven't gotten it right in 2 gens just give it up. In a way it's surprising that Mario translated half as well as he did. That being said I personally beleive that nothing after SMB3 can hold a candle to SMB3 in the core Mario Franchise but, then I liked Sunshine more then Mario 64, I found the controls for 64 horrible and couldn't get over the lack of Flower Power. The DS version addressed some of this and it's an ok game of it's own right but I got to a point and didn't want to finish unlike Sunshine.
In all honesty, you are the first person in existence to ever hate Mario 64 because of the controls...Without Mario 64, lord knows we would still be playing 3D games with a D-pad.
It's OK that you didn't like the game. But in my case I just found it weird that you hated the controls. Sure they weren't PERFECT, but once you understood it it worked like a charm. It was the gateway drug to 3D gaming. And the controls in Mario Sunshine are nearly identical, except the buttons are placed differently.
Post by: Ceric on April 22, 2006, 11:52:32 AM
That being said it could come from the more experience and better hardware that Nintendo has.
Also to put this into better perspective for everyone. I find most 3D platformers controls to not be as good as there 2D counter parts. (Including ones on rails, Example Strider vs Strider 2)
Post by: Caliban on April 22, 2006, 12:37:53 PM
Post by: TMW on April 22, 2006, 09:35:54 PM
Also, Sammy sucks and I hope they all get horrible hives.
Post by: thepoga on April 22, 2006, 09:55:11 PM
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That being said I personally beleive that nothing after SMB3 can hold a candle to SMB3 in the core Mario Franchise
I agree. There's a certain limit to perfection that was acheived with SMB3. No Mario game can ever surpass it. If only they released a Mario game for the SNES.
Post by: Ceric on April 23, 2006, 06:31:19 AM
I'm including Super Mario World, thepoga. I didn't like it near as much as SMB3. It was good but not up to SMB3. Though I put it right under it.
Post by: Stimutacs Addict on April 23, 2006, 08:52:54 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on April 23, 2006, 09:34:16 AM
No, that'd be horribly imprecise and slow.
Post by: TMW on April 23, 2006, 10:46:10 AM
Get the team that made Sonic Rush to do it, and you'd have Sex in videogame form.
Post by: animecyberrat on April 23, 2006, 12:14:16 PM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on April 23, 2006, 01:48:05 PM
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Sonic team could doa betetr Job if they made it more liek the Genesis Sonic games, with his original grahic style and all, the hand held sonic 2d games suck (even rush he looks bad and not at all like Sonic)
Now that I resent...
True, I didn't care much for the GBA games. But Sonic Rush was AWESOME, Truly the best 2D Sonic game since Sonic and Knuckles.
Have you even played Sonic Rush?
Post by: Caliban on April 23, 2006, 04:55:48 PM
Post by: Djunknown on April 23, 2006, 05:03:37 PM
A)Do a straight port of the Sonic game we saw at TGS, using the shell, foregoing the Revmote?
B)Make a 2d game using the Revmote?
C)Make a 3d game with the Revmote/some attachment?
D)Something else.
Talk about choices and options, that's what the Revolution's about right?
Post by: Michael8983 on April 23, 2006, 05:12:46 PM
C)Make a 3d game with the Revmote/some attachment?"
Why would the 3-D title need an attachment?
The Revmote is certainly capable of being used as a 3D joystick and most Sonic games only need a couple of action buttons.
Post by: Smash_Brother on April 23, 2006, 07:37:06 PM
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The whole game will probably just be the Sonic 2 special stage, Mega Drive graphics and all.
Wouldn't surprise me.
With Sonic Team's record as of late, they should hand Sonic over to someone else and just dissolve. They've made it clear too many times that they don't have the ability to make decent games anymore.
Even "Billy Hatcher" was boring and repetitive, though the multiplayer was somewhat decent...
Post by: Mario on April 23, 2006, 07:56:19 PM
Post by: Spak-Spang on April 24, 2006, 06:14:52 PM
The game would only need 2 buttons, and be designed to take speed to a brand new level.
Here is what I mean. Use the Controller as a simple analog stick. Point right to move right and point left to move left. The more you point in that direction the faster you go. The amount of Speed Sonic maintains is completely up to you...however the faster you go you begin to lose some control of Sonic (It takes longer to move the controller into a resting or breaking speed.) As you memorize the levels and hone your reflexes you can run Sonic faster and faster through the levels.
A would of course Jump, and The Faster you go the higher and further you jump. B would roll you into a ball. Or in the air you can hold it and Dash attack even faster. (Down, Up, Left, and Right) These can be used to help dodge enemies and move about the level better.
And its that simple. for controlling Sonic.
Level design should incorporate tons of interactivity with the environment...all designed to make Sonic feel like he can't stop moving.
Railsliding, Swinging from vines and other objects, Wall Jumps and much more should be incorporated in the dense levels which are designed to allow Sonic to traverse horizontal and vertical through the levels.
The game should just be Sonic and drop the other characters...lets go back to his roots. Keep Robotnik, but call him Doctor Robotnik. Keep Robot Sonic from the Sonic CD game, and create giant Robot Monsters for bosses instead of Robotnik each level.
Post by: Djunknown on April 24, 2006, 07:20:28 PM
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Why would the 3-D title need an attachment?
Would the Revmote be enough? It depends how Sonic Team approaches this: From scratch, or try to fix what didn't work with traditional controls?
Post by: Mario on April 24, 2006, 07:40:02 PM
Post by: Spak-Spang on April 25, 2006, 04:25:43 AM
Dance makes sonic Move, Jump, Fight. If you think Dancing is for Sissies...Sonic wants to have a few words with you, OUTSIDE!!!
Post by: Ceric on April 25, 2006, 04:58:41 AM
Now I like Spak-Spang approach if you must use the revmotes sensory capabilities. I will like to add that making a circle would on the fly change him into a ball.
Mario I don't like the circles to go faster idea. That would limit how fast us weak people, like me, can get him to go. In the end I would hook the controll to a stationary bike and peddle away. Though I have to break open a revmote and rewire it to have the buttons at the hand rails.
Post by: Spak-Spang on April 25, 2006, 06:36:52 AM
What I am cycling at 20 miles an hour...Sonic should at least be going TWICE that. GEEZ!!!!
Post by: couchmonkey on April 26, 2006, 07:31:36 AM
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on April 26, 2006, 07:55:12 AM
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Plus i'm used to beating off all day with DK so this wouldn't effect me. I'm not sure this is the best way to do it, but I do want to see the element of speed emphasised.
I think you might want to rephrase that part
