Post by: Stimutacs Addict on February 27, 2003, 02:47:05 PM
talk amongst yourselves
Post by: Riotamus on February 27, 2003, 03:15:19 PM
Post by: Hostile Creation on February 27, 2003, 03:20:14 PM
Post by: Riotamus on February 27, 2003, 03:33:21 PM
Post by: Gharakh on February 27, 2003, 03:45:03 PM
hehe
Post by: NickNiteQ93 on February 27, 2003, 04:09:11 PM
I loved the game, and it got NO credit, except for the few, the proud, the buyers. :\Post by: deminisma on February 27, 2003, 04:15:47 PM
This thread = wrong forum.
Post by: joshnickerson on February 27, 2003, 04:35:10 PM
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Sorry, but I really HATED that movie.
Post by: Stimutacs Addict on February 27, 2003, 04:38:04 PM
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Originally posted by: deminisma
M Night = Overrated
This thread = wrong forum.
I never said that he was the best director ever, but i think that he could bring something to gaming and catch a large portion of the casual gamers as he did so.... just think if a game is advertised as "from the director of the Sixth Sense and Signs" .. i think it could work
also... the new title is M. Night should help make a videogame (For GAMECUBE)
and since this is the GAMECUBE discussion board, i believe that this belongs here (the mods, however, may think differently)
Post by: Jollus on February 27, 2003, 05:06:11 PM
edit: What? That is the guy who did Sixth Sence? Figures that the same person would make my two most hated movies of all time.
Post by: Gibdo Master on February 27, 2003, 05:16:37 PM
Post by: Sean on February 27, 2003, 05:20:07 PM
I thought the movie crafted some good suspense following the old Hitchcock rules, and the writing was excellent and funny as usual from Shyamalan. At its heart, it's a fine and entertaining movie (if flawed), but it's also got a great story about a man questioning his faith. I for one loved the movie, and yes, I thought the water-killing-the-aliens part was lame. So what.
Post by: Jollus on February 27, 2003, 05:30:39 PM
Post by: Gibdo Master on February 27, 2003, 05:38:13 PM
Post by: Doppelganger on February 27, 2003, 05:40:53 PM
Post by: RahXephon on February 27, 2003, 05:47:28 PM
Well to go back to toic, M. Knight is just the most unbelievable producer i have seen. There is a feeling that is given off by his works that go beyond anything else. They feel real. Would Aliens really look strange, we look like a bag of flesh with 4 appendages sticking out. I believe it is safe to say that M.Knight, behind a game, would just totally redeffine whatever genre he tackled.
Anyway, i hope i have shown how these people who claim the Signs is bad, as people who speak without understanding of the nature of the things they talk of.
Post by: RahXephon on February 27, 2003, 05:55:13 PM
Post by: Sean on February 27, 2003, 06:00:33 PM
Anyway, I liked "Signs," so neener neener. "Frailty" probably was a bit better though, even though I really liked "Signs." "Fraily" really shocked me.
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I didn't find the movie suspensful at all. I spent more time laughing then I did wondering what was going to happen next
Okay Jollus, what were you laughing so much about if the aliens are hardly even in the movie? Up until a certain point (most of the movie), M. Night cleverly shows ALMOST NOTHING of the invasion. This was a great touch, and I can't see how you found much laughable until the alien scene with Phoenix lamely whacking him/it with a baseball bat. In other words, it sounds like your memory is portraying the film worse now than you actually thought at the time.
Post by: RahXephon on February 27, 2003, 06:14:07 PM
No one complained when the aliens in War of the Worlds died from bacteria in the air. And that movie was soley about Aliens. It just seems like a juvenile thing to argue. Would the movie had been better if Morgan only drank pepsi, and pepsi killed the Aliens.
Here is an analogy, say we one day develope space travel and we find a planet with life forms. we find the air very suitable for breathing, and after planing, head down to make contact. While there, it begins to rain just as on earth, but this rain eats through our skin due to the chemical composition of their water. All of the sudden it seems to make sense, but to the aliens we visited in my fake future, it would seem childish that something as simple and harmless as their water could harm us.
There are too many people who are Humocentric. I made the word up, but it means that we take certain things as basic truths which we don't question that our in our human lives. Like water being harmless.
One more thing, we have supported and adore the concept of vampire for years, but all it takes is sunlight to kill them. And there is a flaw in that in which the moon light is just reflected sunlight.
Post by: Jollus on February 27, 2003, 06:20:12 PM
Sorry. Let me restate myself. I thought Signs was a horrible pile of slop. Your whole post says nothing. I could have said the same thing in one sentence. Whatever floats your boat. There I said it. Just because I thought the movie was bad doesn't mean I didn't understand it. I know it was about faith. It was supposed to inspire and all that, I still think it was bad. An ok faith movie, with stupid aliens tacked onto it equals a bad movie in my book.
Sean: Who said I was laughing at aliens the whole times. While the aliens were stupid, and I did laugh at them, they were not the only thing in the movie that tickled my funny bone. The stupid antics of the kids for example. The tin foil hat stuff. A lot of the dialoge was funny. The fact that anyone would believe Crop Circles are anything other than vandalisim is funny to me. My memory is fine. The only part of the movie which kinda creeped me out was the whole killing of the dog with a fork thing. I mean how could you not get creeped out by something like that?
Bottom line is that I don't like the movie. If y'all like it, fine. Enjoy. We sell it at the store I work at, come by and pick up the DVD. For me the movie was stupid and had little value. Its was a poorly exicuted faith movie with an illogical alien movie tacked on just for the hell of it.
Post by: Jollus on February 27, 2003, 06:30:37 PM
The fact that the aliens have no logical reason to be on the planet kills the entire move because the entire movie is about how the aliens are on the planet!
Post by: Sean on February 27, 2003, 06:34:41 PM
My personal dislike of the whole water-kills-aliens "deus ex machina" was that it's been DONE BEFORE. I mean, it so flatly obvious. "Alien Nation" did it, heck, even "The Wizard of Oz" did it. It was just done and dumb.
Jollus, if you didn't like the movie great. No one's trying to make you. I thought I was just discussing the movie, not enforcing it.
Post by: RahXephon on February 27, 2003, 06:46:17 PM
Post by: RahXephon on February 27, 2003, 06:50:58 PM
And these aliens probably thought that we were too inferior to be a threat, maybe they didn't even consider us logical at all. How do you know these people taken away arent for experiments or for slavery. There are just to many possibilities, it is not so cut and dry.
Post by: dannyjclark on February 27, 2003, 07:51:27 PM
i really liked signs, and to who ever said that signs is just a 'faith' movie with some aliens added for $$$. dead wrong. after the success of 6th sense and unbreakble, disney asked m.night to write an alien movie. it never started off about faith, it was about aliens from the beginning, but the finished product, however, was more about faith than aliens.
and since when did people become experts on aliens?
its a movie. its made to inspire us, not to have us pick it apart trying to find flaws that don't matter.
Post by: Jollus on February 27, 2003, 08:49:57 PM
Yes it is just a movie. I am also a huge movie dweeb and pick apart everything I see, be it good or bad. Most true, hardcore super geeks most likely do not like the movie for the same reasons I do.
This thread has gotten so far off of topic it is crazy. Considering that the topic didn't belong in a Gamecube forum to begin with I feel that we should all just let it drop down the list tell it gets lost in the dark pit which lies beyone page two of most forums.
Post by: RahXephon on February 28, 2003, 05:40:26 AM
"Yes it is just a movie. I am also a huge movie dweeb and pick apart everything I see, be it good or bad."
Good or bad is only a human property. Just human, not game or movie or anyting else. Bad games aren't bad, we just fail to see in it what we are supposed to see, by that i mean the feeling it is supposed to give. There are games no one can do this with, but the game is still not bad, it is aninimate, it can't be either.
Post by: ThePerm on February 28, 2003, 06:12:04 AM
i liekd the plotline, i myself wonder about whats right. Religion, science. aout last night i was wonderign if anyoen should ever claim they know. Because there is no way to know, besides devine intervention. That aspect of the movie was very good.
The other thing i noticed about the movie...it was extremely cheap(maybe not the actors), this movie didnt havre much in it. small sets, farmland, this movie realyl worked with the actors ability to act. If the actors were really bad actors this movie would have really sucked. Gibson and his raspy patriarchal voice and Phoenix who made probably the perfect uncle and brother really made the movie good. The acting and sound was great. The special effects were nto the focus. There are alot of movies that rely on special effects(star wars) and realyl have terrible acting and many claim they are awesome movies.
I liked Fast and the Furious, but disliked XXX, or the the latest bond movie. I dotn like movies that have no actign and are set up to place catch phrases. Im smarter then that, the movies are just to unrealistc. I liek older bond movies....but the last one really sucked.
Post by: Demonhunter on February 28, 2003, 06:48:48 AM
Just because a movie has a good "message" doesn't mean it should have a sucky plot like Signs did. There is NO excuse to say "well its a good movie but you have to ignore the implausible plot". Movies revolve around plot and to have stupid things in them is just dumb. Signs makes no sense for the following reasons:
1. I find it hard to believe that on 1 city across the ENTIRE planet, its not raining. Yeah, right.
2. You could thwart these aliens by burning your crops. Didn't anyone think of that?
3. The protagonist NEVER told anyone but one small town cop. If you chopped off ALIEN HANDS I think i'd be over at SETI or the FBI.
4. The end of the story stole from Night of the Living Dead, where the characters board themselves in a house. Just thought that was weird.
5. They can travel across galaxies and cloak themselves but they cant make a simple crowbar to dislodge a few tacked on boards or a pantry door. Uh huh.
6. Sorry, there just cant be a lifeform that would die from water. VERY few elements react with water, except for a few acids and potassium/sodium. Life cant be made from that. While it is possible, the moisture in the air WOULD KILL THEM IF THIS WAS THE CASE.
7. No guns. I would have been bustin caps in those aliens. Do you honestly think that the armies of the world combined with their nuclear bombs, m-16s, grenades, flamethrows, and water pistols (heh) couldn't defeat scrawny aliens who wore NO body armor and could only kill you by squirty a few puffs of gas in your face? YOU COULD JUST HOLD YOUR BREATH if you didn't want to breathe it in! COME ON!
I cannot bring myself to think that everything is meant to be like the movie suggests. If everything is set in stone, why do people pray? Will God make an exception for them? The movie was completly a let down for me, I thought it was going to be a mystery about who was making the crop circles than a cheesy "message" movie with a sucky plot. Bah
Post by: Chris1228 on February 28, 2003, 08:31:10 AM
1. I find it hard to believe that on 1 city across the ENTIRE planet, its not raining. Yeah, right.
- The invasion/raid took place in ONE night...and they never mentioned HOW they discovered water hurt the aliens. Maybe it did rain somewhere and thats how they discovered it.
2. You could thwart these aliens by burning your crops. Didn't anyone think of that?
- NO ONE thinks this way during unexplained events. By the time people realized what the crop circles were it was too late. As humans we have a need to understand things. We wouldn't burn the crops because we want to understand why the aliens where here.
3. The protagonist NEVER told anyone but one small town cop. If you chopped off ALIEN HANDS I think i'd be over at SETI or the FBI.
-Once again, things happened so quick (and in a small town). That the news didn't have time to get out.
4. The end of the story stole from Night of the Living Dead, where the characters board themselves in a house. Just thought that was weird.
-Its not weird at all. Home is where we seek shelter. The boarding up of the house is symbolic of seeking shelter where we feel comfortable. When there is a hurricaine, people don't go to a bomb shelter...they board up their house and ride out the storm. During a crisis nothing feels safer.
5. They can travel across galaxies and cloak themselves but they cant make a simple crowbar to dislodge a few tacked on boards or a pantry door. Uh huh.
- Do you carry a crow-bar with you wherever you go? Just in case?
6. Sorry, there just cant be a lifeform that would die from water. VERY few elements react with water, except for a few acids and potassium/sodium. Life cant be made from that. While it is possible, the moisture in the air WOULD KILL THEM IF THIS WAS THE CASE.
- This is an EXTREMELY HUMAN-CENTRIC thought. What is physics and chemistry? Its the way elements, forces, and nature work ON EARTH. Just because something works well here doesn't mean that it would work well on another planet. Now the more symbolic side to water, especially to Christians, is that water represents a clensing, a washing away of something. This alien invasion was a plauge, wouldn't it be nice just to WASH something like that away?
7. No guns. I would have been bustin caps in those aliens. Do you honestly think that the armies of the world combined with their nuclear bombs, m-16s, grenades, flamethrows, and water pistols (heh) couldn't defeat scrawny aliens who wore NO body armor and could only kill you by squirty a few puffs of gas in your face? YOU COULD JUST HOLD YOUR BREATH if you didn't want to breathe it in! COME ON!
-How do you know they had no armour...just because water was a weakness didn't mean their skin couldn't naturally repel foriegn objects.
This is what people of this movie love. You have to able to think outside the box. The other thing about this movie is... IT"S NOT ABOUT ALIENS!!!!!!!! It was about a man who failed to see why things happen, that something bad can happen for a reason. The aliens where only a back-drop to the main story. I think thats why a lot of people didn't like it.
To keep this on topic: I think M. Knight because of his use of symbolism and subtlty would make a GREAT game.
Post by: Stimutacs Addict on February 28, 2003, 01:55:26 PM
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Originally posted by: Demonhunter<br4. The end of the story stole from Night of the Living Dead, where the characters board themselves in a house. Just thought that was weird.
The book "The Birds" had people boarded up in a house.. it can happen in almost any movie/book
anyway, what could a game of his be about? a detective game?
Post by: ThePerm on February 28, 2003, 02:51:10 PM
think aobut this...whn you put salt on snails....what happens...they die.
feed a bird an alkaseltser they blow up.
Post by: StRaNgE on February 28, 2003, 10:52:56 PM
Even on earth water can make some extremely sick if not fatal.
Seems your forgetting it is a movie and those who have an imagination will fill in the gaps and create more and those who do not will be stumped and say no way, it would never happen.
Up to you if you want enjoyment and entertainment or if your just not at that stage of your life yet. Having a family and kids does change ones perspective as well.
Post by: oohhboy on March 01, 2003, 12:50:08 AM
Of coruse you could argue the theory that the aliens came from another dimemsion which has a different set of rules. But unless there was some kind of effect protecting them from being affected by our rules (Therefore breaking or rules and making sure they are not dead on arrival), then it should have protected them from water. Or they got thier enviromental suits from some discount store or something.
Or maybe these are just a bunch of aliens teens from some local college out for a good time by scaring the natives.
Post by: Hemmorrhoid on March 01, 2003, 01:06:31 AM
this is soooo no related to GCN
Post by: oohhboy on March 01, 2003, 02:59:22 AM
Post by: Picceelo on March 01, 2003, 07:39:56 AM
1: As of yet, since we have not come across alien life we cannot say how they would react or what their chemical composition may be. If a life form were made of potassium, liquid water would cause them to combust, but there would not necessarily be enough water in the atmosphere to immediately kill them (it would probably be pretty painful though). Why aliens would want to conquer a planet that is 75% water, I have no idea (enslavement of humans doesn't seem very logical since they were killing everyone).
2. The movie was not a movie about aliens, it was a movie about faith. These are two things that both threw me off, in the first place, the movie can only appeal to about one half of the population. We don't lack the ability to understand the movie, we lack the inability to like movies about ideas that are opposite to ours. Movies about Satan would attract some people, and put others off, it has nothing to do with understanding of the movie.
3. About the doors, we have absolutely no idea what sort of barriers the aliens might have in their world, so therefore it isn't very implausable to say that they would have trouble with doors. About the powerful legs thing, isn't it possible that their legs only work vertically? So they can't swivel upwards like ours? Doesn't seem all that improbable.
I could go on and on, but this topic really has nothing to do with Gamecube anymore, so maybe people should start getting more on the subject.
Post by: manunited4eva22 on March 01, 2003, 01:59:54 PM
