Post by: nemo_83 on March 26, 2006, 03:15:38 PM
"It's a big deal - the implications and possibilities are pretty incredible. I can't wait for E3!" - 1up editor Sam Kennedy in response to the following:
"Does Nintendo really have a big secret left? Hardware related? Interface related? Display related? They have a lot to show at E3 but do they have something major still under wraps that affects software? Are they buying a company, using a PPU to give their CPU a break, doing something revolutionary with the pad/cradle facial mechanics; stereoscopics to compete with HD? I don't see any reason in waiting to E3 if it isn't something big, bigger than the controller which they showed last year. If they really want to blow my mind they would make it so the games we download can all be edited with an intuitive point and click game editor, meaning when you download SMB3, you can take the elements, the sprites, music, animations, etc and create your own game setting up triggers as easily as dropping shortcuts or powerups; furthermore you could take elements from the other 2D SMB games and mix them together. Plus using the remote one can draw 2D sprites and backgrounds, if you are really hardcore, from scratch to put into the game."
Listen to the podcast.
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Post by: Michael8983 on March 26, 2006, 05:38:53 PM
It will be not be sold with every REV of course but Nintendo will offer two packages like what MS is doing. The core unit and the one with the screen accessory which will also be sold seperately.
It makes the lack of HD more understandable since a sizeable portion of the userbase will use the portable screen. Plus if the REV indeed uses wi-fi like the DS it will make it much more accessible. You could go to public hot-spots or run into other portable REVs on the go.
Nintendo experiemented with a portable screen on the Gamecube but never really did anything with it. It's possible and likely IMO that it was held over to become a key feature for its successor. The small flat REV, unlike its blocky predecessor, is perfectly suited for such an accessory.
Post by: Caliban on March 26, 2006, 05:51:36 PM
As for the implications, well I really don't care at the moment 'cause I don't know what this last secret is so how can I study the implications if there is nothing to implicate.
Post by: Mario on March 26, 2006, 06:06:03 PM
How on earth would some 1up editor know anything? If they did, it would mean Sony knew as well, and there would be no point keeping it a secret.
Post by: Bloodworth on March 26, 2006, 06:28:27 PM
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 26, 2006, 07:46:44 PM
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Originally posted by: Bloodworth
I wouldn't be so surprised if Sam knew something he couldn't print yet. And I'm also betting that Nintendo does still have something major up their sleeves.
Reggie's mighty armpit.
Post by: nemo_83 on March 26, 2006, 08:19:49 PM
Post by: wandering on March 26, 2006, 08:26:03 PM
QuoteThere is a point: dramatic effect. Nintendo wants it's E3 show to be spectacular. There's also a point with sharing things with the press: Nintendo wants as much goodwill from them as possible.
How on earth would some 1up editor know anything? If they did, it would mean Sony knew as well, and there would be no point keeping it a secret.
And it doesn't really matter what Sony knows at this point...E3 is mere weeks away.
Post by: BigJim on March 26, 2006, 10:28:47 PM
There could be an "enterprising" source that'd leak it before E3. But it's as if first borns were on the line and nobody wants leaks tracing back to them. The Wrath of Reggie must work.
I don't know any facts, just rumors. IF true, don't overthink it. It is definitely cool, but don't go nutty with impractical ideas.
Sorry to rumor monger. LOL. But we know so little, so it stands to reason anyway that there is more to learn.
Post by: wandering on March 26, 2006, 10:34:35 PM
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There could be an "enterprising" source that'd leak it before E3. But it's as if first borns were on the line and nobody wants leaks tracing back to them. The Wrath of Reggie must work.
Well, why would someone want to both hurt Nintendo and risk not being able to work in the industry ever again?
Post by: Spak-Spang on March 27, 2006, 03:53:15 AM
The most recent IGN interview is a great example.
paraphrase:
We have several little secrets we have not talked about. They could be games, or hardware, or just little things. It really depends on what you are talking about "big secret." What we have might be considered big and huge, or it might it something simple but still neccessary to keep secret.
Ok, that is borderline writing my own statement, but that is how I read her comments.
So this big secret could be huge.
A PPU,
An earlier than expected launch,
something magical about the hardware they we don't know yet.
Or it could be something smaller.
The controller now has two big A/B buttons on top.
The controller has a microphone in it.
The New IP "Whatever it Is Revolution" will be out at launch.
The launch lineup
Or it could be something important but ultimately trivial to the gamer
What the costs for games on the virtual console are.
The means that Nintendo allows you to get virtual console games.
I guess the point is not to get your hopes too high on this secret, because it could be the MEGATON!!! Or it could be just a cool bit of information that we didn't know we should get excited about.
Post by: MaryJane on March 27, 2006, 05:21:23 AM
Like, the rev is going to use proprietary compression systems so that games downloaded on the virtual console won't take up a lot of space.
Or, the rev will be able to play ds games.
Important, yes, but not so great that i'm going to pee my pants when i hear it.
Post by: jasonditz on March 27, 2006, 05:49:47 AM
They've been talking up ease of programming and the possibility of original content through the VC... what better way than to allow people to make their own games and put them up on the download service? Kind of like how iTunes lets you add your own podcast to it.
Doesn't have to be anything that's just a world-beater either, something on the level of complexity of Saturn Basic would be just fine.
Post by: Ian Sane on March 27, 2006, 06:40:33 AM
Nintendo thinks EVERYTHING they do is a big deal. When they keep something to themselves it sometimes turns out to be really major and it sometimes turns out to be nothing spectacular. There is probably something but that doesn't mean it's huge.
Plus there's so much we don't know. We don't even know how the battery works with the controllers. Nintendo might consider that info a surprise. It might even be a really cool technical achievement in power consumption but it's not really exciting. The price might be the surprise. The actual games might the surprise.
One thing I am wondering about is DS connectivity. You just KNOW they're going to do something to connect the systems together.
Post by: Strell on March 27, 2006, 07:11:07 AM
And if that doesn't exist then I will create one myself.
Subsequently, I'm no longer allowed in Target after picking up my Gamecube a few years ago....
Post by: The Omen on March 27, 2006, 07:24:05 AM
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Post by: BigJim on March 27, 2006, 09:14:21 AM
No, you won't say "wow". That's reserved for GRAPHICS!
Post by: Strell on March 27, 2006, 09:18:55 AM
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Originally posted by: BigJim
I don't think it's megat0n, but cool. When you get specifics you'd probably think "even cooler." It makes sense to wait until E3 when almost everything is on the table.
No, you won't say "wow". That's reserved for GRAPHICS!
So do you know something or not? :p
Cuz like. Gimme.
Damn the NDAs! Full speed ahead!
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 27, 2006, 09:42:16 AM
Until then, it's all nonsense.
Post by: stevey on March 27, 2006, 12:07:17 PM
Post by: Requiem on March 27, 2006, 12:22:59 PM
I don't know about you, but I am pretty content with the REV. Much more than say, the PS3 or 360. If Nintendo gave us detailed information about the things that they've already mentioned then I'd be even more content.
How does the Virtual Console work?
What games are planned for the service?
How does online in general work?
What does the HUD look like?
How will games really play?
What developers are making games?
What will launch look like?
What is the price, release date, and name of the console?
How will the console be bundled? Will it have both the nunchaku and shell attachment?
Will the DS and REV connect to each other? If so, what are the possibilities, and what is actually being done?
What does the shell look like? How will it play? Are there any other planned attachments
If they answered those questions at E3, then I would be the happiest gamer alive.
Honestly, who needs another secret?
Post by: ThePerm on March 27, 2006, 12:34:53 PM
Post by: JonLeung on March 27, 2006, 02:12:25 PM
Whether it's major (surprise! HD! Awesome online service interface! etc.) or just confirming what has already been widely speculated (what developers are expected to be on board, what characters are in the next SSB, which games will have DS-Rev. connectivity, if any) is the question.
It's nice to be optimistic and have something to look forward to (I'm going to E3, actually...
), part of me doesn't think it's going to be of megaton-proportions...though if they ever had something so bold to announce, E3 would be where they'd do it.With the virtual console and unique controller, if it's big enough to top those, you'd think they'd rev up the hype machine about their "secret" a little more.
Post by: Ceric on March 27, 2006, 02:42:51 PM
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Post by: Michael8983 on March 27, 2006, 04:10:02 PM
It's been confirmed that the REV is very similar to the Gamecube and that the initial dev kits were basically just Gamecube's with the new controller attached. This is allowing third-party developers to start designing Rev games even before the new hardware is final.
But perhaps this means that Nintendo itself has had launch titles in development longer than anyone could have imagined. Perhaps they started developing them on a suped up Gamecube with a prototype of the new controller well over a year ago. Could we see a plethora of AAA, polished launch titles that normally would not grace a Nintendo console until its second or even third year right from the start?
Everyone is expecting the REV to launch with one or two major titles but be mostly tech-demos and promises of bigger games to come. But the big surprise could be that Nintendo is sitting on the best prepared launch line-up in gaming history just waiting to reveal it at the right moment and shock everyone.
Post by: MaryJane on March 27, 2006, 04:57:28 PM
That would also open up to allow GBA-GC connectivity using the DS-Rev connection, that'd be cool, but again, not jump up in the air spectacular, like a PPU or something along those lines would be.
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 27, 2006, 06:06:04 PM
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Originally posted by: Michael8983
Ok here's another theory.
It's been confirmed that the REV is very similar to the Gamecube and that the initial dev kits were basically just Gamecube's with the new controller attached. This is allowing third-party developers to start designing Rev games even before the new hardware is final.
But perhaps this means that Nintendo itself has had launch titles in development longer than anyone could have imagined. Perhaps they started developing them on a suped up Gamecube with a prototype of the new controller well over a year ago. Could we see a plethora of AAA, polished launch titles that normally would not grace a Nintendo console until its second or even third year right from the start?
Everyone is expecting the REV to launch with one or two major titles but be mostly tech-demos and promises of bigger games to come. But the big surprise could be that Nintendo is sitting on the best prepared launch line-up in gaming history just waiting to reveal it at the right moment and shock everyone.
I concur.
This would be the greatest surprise of all.
Post by: jasonditz on March 27, 2006, 06:59:33 PM
Suppose the iTunes analogy is deeper than it seems. Suppose Nintendo is positioning the DS as a sort of iPod peripheral that can take the VC games on the go. Add some sort of permanent storage to one of the slots on the DS and you've got a really compelling feature that would probably cause an impressive stir at E3.
It's one thing trying to leverage the Gamecube's dubious success into the next generation with things like TP's Revmote control, but what if the Revolution could leverage the runaway success of the DS?
This is a better way to leverage connectivity, IMO. The GBA connectivity added some nice possibilities to the Cube, but there was comparatively little about it to induce a GBA-owner to buy a Cube. Making the DS "the iPod of VC" not only provides the Rev owner with a way to take his VC titles on the go... it opens up a huge new feature for existing DS owners, and the very real possibility that an existing DS owner might be willing to shell out a couple hundred bucks for a Rev specifically to gain access to the VC library.
Then, once they've already bought the Rev anyhow, it's going to be much easier to get them to buy games for it too.
To me, this SHOULD be Nintendo's goal: to get it's success in the handheld market to translate over to the console market. Tons of GBA owners didn't own a Cube. While it's true some of those people might not have owned a console at all, there's got to be a huge group (millions) of people who owned a GBA and owned a home console other than the Cube.
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Post by: Ceric on March 27, 2006, 08:18:39 PM
To tell you the truth I really doubt that any of the games have been intentionally developed for more then 2 years max. Then on the flipside there is going to be more polish to the games by default because it's a known architecture. I think that will come into play a little more then the time factor. Out of the gate we'll probably be getting what would be comparatively 1.5 gen games. Not quiet up to where you would traditional peg games as being 2nd gen. There will be control bugs. Now on the flipside I could be totally wrong and one of the games will come out so far ahead of the others that you would think its from the future. (You know like Smash Brothers. Graphic wise that game even holds up now with no real problems. That's unheard of for a launch game.)
A PPU. I could easily see Nintendo doing that. They don't exactly shy from specialized hardware.
Actually I would laugh if the day comes and the biggest news we get is that the Rev disc are, in fact, a propriety disc that holds as much as HD-DVD without the licensing costs. Actually while we're in left field why not holographic. InPhase just broke the data density record with 500 gigs per square inch. Square would hava a hayday with that sort of space. No graphics engine to speak of. Just prerendered pictures of every possibility.
Though I wish they would just go ahead and release it already.
Post by: jasonditz on March 28, 2006, 05:24:30 AM
Post by: Requiem on March 28, 2006, 05:49:56 AM
Playing Sega and Nintendo games on your DS, on the go? What could be better?
Also, Nintendo has been developing games since the first the controller was realized. When was that? I don't know. However, I do know for a fact that Camelot announced that they were making a REV game in an interview shortly after the release of Mario Tennis.
Wasn't that like 2 years ago?
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 28, 2006, 06:01:33 AM
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Originally posted by: jasonditz
To me, this SHOULD be Nintendo's goal: to get it's success in the handheld market to translate over to the console market. Tons of GBA owners didn't own a Cube. While it's true some of those people might not have owned a console at all, there's got to be a huge group (millions) of people who owned a GBA and owned a home console other than the Cube.
Good idea. This would fit very well with their desire to emulate Apple as well.
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Post by: Smash_Brother on March 28, 2006, 07:22:07 AM
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Originally posted by: Requiem Nintendo would be stupid to ignore the relationship between the DS and the REV. I want to see the VC become a fully realized feature with a robust system.
Now that I think about it, the DS's hybernation ability is a huge ace in the hole for this kind of thing. You can get within range of your Rev, download a game to your DS (and your friends can too) and go from there. Closing the DS is akin to pausing the game and uses so little power that you could carry a game for quite some time before needing to recharge.
Post by: MaryJane on March 28, 2006, 09:36:42 AM
Has anyone unlocked proven chryogenics methods? Cuz if you have call me up, I want to sleep until e3 so I can stop anticipating what's in store.
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 28, 2006, 09:45:39 AM
AC on the GC allowed you to upload some NES games to your GBA and play them on the go so we at least know that Nintendo has considered the possibility in the past.
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Post by: jasonditz on March 28, 2006, 12:32:35 PM
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Originally posted by: Artimus
The idea has come up here before, I believe.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure somebody mentioned the idea last year after E3 (not sure who). I just tried to tie it into Iwata's recent comparisons to iTunes.
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 28, 2006, 12:40:45 PM
Like I said, they already did it in Animal Crossing on the GC.
Post by: Strell on March 28, 2006, 03:17:59 PM
So while we're at it, they should hire me. I don't know what I would do, but I'm looking for a job.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 28, 2006, 03:36:38 PM
Post by: Caliban on March 28, 2006, 05:14:21 PM
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Originally posted by: Professional 666
Fresh baked fudge brownies.
Now that's an excellent idea, and if it could do pancakes too then I would buy 2 Revs so I can play with one and bake with the other.
Post by: Ceric on March 28, 2006, 05:17:12 PM
Who wants their programmers to do peskly things like bath and leave.
Post by: ThePerm on March 29, 2006, 06:13:45 AM
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Originally posted by: Strell
Hopefully Nintendo has people reading this site, scavenging for ideas.
So while we're at it, they should hire me. I don't know what I would do, but I'm looking for a job.
no but i bet microsoft is, they already used a few of pgc forum ideas.....
like wireless plugging into the console to charge!
Post by: MaryJane on March 29, 2006, 08:53:52 AM
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Originally posted by: Professional 666
Fresh baked fudge brownies.
Do i need to say it?
lolOh and pardon my ignorance, I take back my props jasonditz, but you're still cool!
I didn't want to double post, but I got some new info from ign.
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Gamasutra had the chance to catch up with Pandemic CEO Josh Resnick, as well as BioWare CEOs Ray Muzyka and Greg Zeschuk at the Game Developers Conference 2006, where the three commented on Nintendo's Revolution console.
Pandemic's Resnick said that the studio was "enthralled" with the Revolution, but that it hasn't made any official announcements about games in development for it yet.
Meanwhile, Zeschuk from BioWare was every bit as optimistic, if not more so. "Well, the Revolution is a very different platform, and we've actually just seen some things behind closed doors that are just mind-blowing," he said. "Very, very exciting. They're doing something that's very different and unique."
Even more praise for the rev, but in relation to this topic, the part about what they saw behind closed doors is what interests me. This kind of debunks my theory that the secret won't be too big, I mean Zeschuk said mindblowing, and he's a CEO of a video game company I wonder what blows his mind??
Post by: BigJim on March 29, 2006, 11:27:23 AM
No, really, I think there's more to come.
Coming from someone that was a worrier, and after hearing some of the peeps from GDC, Rev sounds like a competent system. If they can get the prices right for everything (and not rape us on the VC), all the better. If you were already sold on Rev, you'll probably just be all the happier when everything's on the table.
Where they'll end up in marketshare, who knows. But it won't be for lack of effort.
Post by: PaLaDiN on March 29, 2006, 11:45:16 AM
Right now the Rev controller is just an idea for us. Turning it into a physical demonstration, hell, a demonstration of any kind, would be pretty mindblowing and unique.
Post by: Strell on March 29, 2006, 12:32:48 PM
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Originally posted by: BigJim
You will say wow!
No, really, I think there's more to come.
Coming from someone that was a worrier, and after hearing some of the peeps from GDC, Rev sounds like a competent system. If they can get the prices right for everything (and not rape us on the VC), all the better. If you were already sold on Rev, you'll probably just be all the happier when everything's on the table.
Where they'll end up in marketshare, who knows. But it won't be for lack of effort.
I demand private messages regarding this info.
Please. Ok, I beg for dems.Post by: IceCold on March 29, 2006, 03:06:45 PM
QuoteWell at least Nintendo of Canada is listening - they had a direct link on a site of theirs to one of our forum threads on the "Too Much Fun" (Nintendo's Canadian campgaign) commercial with the rat. And, surprise, surprise - they've managed to avoid some key mistakes that NOA made. They had both Electroplankton and the USB dongle in some retail stores as soon as they were out, instead of keeping them online. And their marketing is pretty good too..
Originally posted by: ThePermQuote
Originally posted by: Strell
Hopefully Nintendo has people reading this site, scavenging for ideas.
So while we're at it, they should hire me. I don't know what I would do, but I'm looking for a job.
no but i bet microsoft is, they already used a few of pgc forum ideas.....
like wireless plugging into the console to charge!
EDIT: BigJim, spill it.. *cocks shotgun*
Post by: KirbySStar on March 29, 2006, 08:38:47 PM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
Good idea. This would fit very well with their desire to emulate Apple as well.
I read this wrong but it would be hilariously awesome if we could play the Apple II version of Oregon Trail via the Virtual Console. ='D
Post by: Strell on March 29, 2006, 10:55:24 PM
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Originally posted by: KirbySStarQuote
Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
Good idea. This would fit very well with their desire to emulate Apple as well.
I read this wrong but it would be hilariously awesome if we could play the Apple II version of Oregon Trail via the Virtual Console. ='D
Oh HELL YES. APPLE IIE OREGON TRAIL MMO FTW.
Post by: Ceric on March 30, 2006, 06:15:29 AM
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