Post by: Mario on March 14, 2006, 07:17:58 PM
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People who play RPGs are depressed gamers who like to sit alone in their dark rooms and play slow games," he noted in a 1999 interview. Yamauchi went on to call RPGs as a whole both "silly and boring."
Post by: TheYoungerPlumber on March 14, 2006, 07:22:38 PM
Post by: Mario on March 14, 2006, 07:26:33 PM
Post by: King of Twitch on March 14, 2006, 07:33:40 PM
Post by: Hostile Creation on March 14, 2006, 08:04:47 PM
Because he's very right.
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 14, 2006, 08:04:55 PM
A quick glance at the Famitsu top 100 games of all time list (voted on by Japanese gamers) shows that 75% of the games which Japanese gamers consider in the top 100 are RPGs, with I believe the entire top 20 being RPGs.
Post by: Guy on March 14, 2006, 09:15:35 PM
Post by: TrueNerd on March 14, 2006, 10:08:16 PM
Post by: Dasmos on March 14, 2006, 11:12:30 PM
QuoteOf course it will be because of him, without Yamauchi Nintendo would not be in the gaming war at all. You're a fool Smash Brother, without him you would have nothing from Nintendo.
Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
If Nintendo eventually loses the gaming war, it was because of that man.
Post by: KDR_11k on March 15, 2006, 12:09:39 AM
Post by: TMW on March 15, 2006, 05:28:51 AM
Yamauchi's favorite childhood pet was killed by a copy of Dragon Quest 4, so now he lashes out against RPGs at every chance. There's alot of pent up rage and aggression there, and I don't think he knows how to channel it properly.
Honestly, I can only see this ending badly for him.
Post by: Pale on March 15, 2006, 05:59:21 AM
and Blah again...
That's all I've got...
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 15, 2006, 09:19:15 AM
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Originally posted by: Dasmos
Of course it will be because of him, without Yamauchi Nintendo would not be in the gaming war at all. You're a fool Smash Brother, without him you would have nothing from Nintendo.
I think Miyamoto is the one who truly deserves the credit here.
Post by: Hostile Creation on March 15, 2006, 10:52:27 AM
And RPGs are for depressed, unattractive, boring losers. The fact that this demographic makes up the majority of the gaming population is Yamauchi's greatest oversight.
Also Miyamoto is not the only success factor for Nintendo. They have hordes of brilliant developers, Miyamoto just happens to have made Nintendo perfect. Or as close as it comes. Besides, I imagine Yamauchi hired Miyamoto.
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 15, 2006, 11:04:04 AM
Post by: Caliban on March 15, 2006, 11:45:38 AM
Post by: Pale on March 15, 2006, 12:13:55 PM
I'd take a nice laid back game of Pokemon, FF, or Tales over a game like RE4 any day. I'm not going to sit here and say RE4 is a bad game. I do play it when I'm in the mood to stress myself out... Amazingly, that isn't very often. =P
Blind genre hating is for nerds. =P
PS:
I don't think i'm fat boring or ugly at all...
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 15, 2006, 12:22:01 PM
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Originally posted by: Caliban
Yamauchi in the Japanese feudal era would have been very succesful and a name to have respect, but in these modern buisness days he is incompetent!
Yamauchi would have made a good Shogun.
Post by: animecyberrat on March 15, 2006, 02:32:46 PM
Playstations success was NOT based on ff7 liek so many ignorant people beleive. Playstation had a very strong hold on the market even before 97 when ff7 came out. Even with FF7 Nintendo still managed to nearly match its sales with Zelda OOT. And nothing matched the sucess of Pokemon in those days. NOT EVEN FF7.
Yamauchi ONLY hired Miyomoto as a favor to his friend which was Shiggys dad. He starte dhim out as an artist and the only reason he got his hands on DK was because they desperatly needed artistic value int heir games to stand out agiasnt all the action packed games that were drowning thiers out.
Yamauchi may have been bullheaded but he sure as hell knew how to MAKE people listen to Nintendo.
I sat through the NES days, SNES days, N64 and GC and yes they have had thier fair share of mistakes and they have had plenty of successes, but so far since he has left the only success they have had is teh DS (GBA SP does not count because GBA was already popular and SP onlyu improved on it) GC didnt have a prayer in hell because they made too many miostakes early on, not because of lack of 3rd party suport because the phucking gc had three times the amount of games as N64 and still gets the major multi platform games, n64 rarely got multi platform anything except the EA sports and Acclaim stuff.
Gc had a masive marketing push in its early years and has had plenty of million sellers, mostly early on. Even 3rd party games. Also GC had more 3rd party exclusives than N64 had. Gc failed because Nintendo made little mistakes and didnt listen to custumers. itw snt until 2003 that Xbox passed it in sales and thatw as AFTER Iwata took over, so far I see HIM as the poor leader and not Yamauchi.
Look at it this way, durring his leadership Nintendo went from a small unheard of CARD company who had dabbled in toys and love hotels, into THE MOST RESPECTED name in video games. Durring Iwatas leadership Nintendo has nearly lost the console war and is only winning the hadheld market because 1 they were leader and have a reputation (yamauchi is responsible for) and 2 Sony's arrogance.
Revolution has not proven itself yet. the system as the greatest poetential of any game system ever made BUT all the POTENIAL in the world wont do spit if they have poor leadership. Now thast nto to say i dont haev faith in Revolution but My faith is mroe in Reggie and his aggressive attitude and the mere potential of the system. Iwata is quiet and sounds very nervous in interviews, Yamauchi was demanding and powerfull in his speaches.
Anyways sorry for long rant but tehre was a lot of stuff unsaid that I felt needed to be said.
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 15, 2006, 02:43:18 PM
Post by: mantidor on March 15, 2006, 03:07:42 PM
And rpgs, Ill never get why people think that chosing an attack from a menu to substract a number who represents health is remotely fun.
Post by: animecyberrat on March 15, 2006, 03:09:52 PM
Square was developing games for N64, they didnt abandon it because of Cds, they are on record of this, sony paid them a HUGE sum of moeny adn agreed to finance FF7 if it went exclusive. THEN Sony put up cash into buyin a chunk of Squares stock to have greater control.
Sure alot of people YOU know bot a PS1 JUST for FF7, millions of people got one for that game alone, but not EVERYONE who got one bought that game. Tekken, Ridge Racer, Wipe Out, Crash bandicoot, those games all came BEFORE FF7 and they were HUGE sellers on thier own. Not to mention all the stuff that came after. FF7 was one of the biggest selling games and yes I loved it its a great game, and yes a lot of peopel did buy a PS1 because of that game, but it was not their only big franshise. I know more peopel who got a playstationf or Grand Turissmo, which sell in the millions also, or Resident Evil also million sellers, than for ff7. Also Resident Evil 2 was on both systems and it was carts, FF7 could have been done on N64 they would have just ahd to compress alot, adn they were WILLING to put in the effort, after all tehy had major success on Nintendo systems (Ff1-6, Chrono Trigger, Mario Rpg, ect) Sony BRIBED them and that is why the left, plain and simple. they said they liked the cd and were extremely happy not to have to put in extra effort but they would have gladly put in the effort to make it work on N64 if SOny hadnt come along.
Maybe you could blaim Yamauchi for NOT bribing Square to stay but Nintendo could NEVER out bid Sony for anything. Also Namcos exclusivity for Playstation early on was due to Sony bribes and Namco has made more than tier fair share of hits for Playstation 1 and 2.
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 15, 2006, 04:09:38 PM
Post by: Mario on March 15, 2006, 04:29:18 PM
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 15, 2006, 04:43:59 PM
I'm arguing for RPGs, I'm arguing against letting a cash cow wander out of the barn.
Post by: mantidor on March 16, 2006, 12:25:54 PM
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I hope I redeemed myself for that serious posting going on before
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 16, 2006, 12:28:22 PM
Post by: mantidor on March 16, 2006, 12:30:31 PM
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 16, 2006, 12:38:55 PM
Post by: Dasmos on March 16, 2006, 12:46:10 PM
lol, I remember reading this last year.
Post by: TMW on March 16, 2006, 03:25:19 PM
I simultaneosly love and hate that man.
Is that...true? Did he really tell them to suck his balls?
Post by: mantidor on March 16, 2006, 03:36:36 PM
Dont spoil the funny, but if you really want to...its a fake interview
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 16, 2006, 05:58:37 PM
Yep, everything I said still stands.
Post by: Dasmos on March 16, 2006, 06:32:39 PM
Post by: TheYoungerPlumber on March 16, 2006, 08:12:32 PM
What the hell, SB? Iwata played major roles in SSB (a Director) and SSBM (not quite sure), but in all honesty Masahiro Sakurai "oversaw" the projects.
Also, Yamauchi is not to blame for the fallout between the two companies. A quote from a Gamasutra interview with Nao Suzuki (Square president) via Chris Kohler's "Power-Up" (page 120). Supposedly Gamasutra has video, but I couldn't find it:
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"Our true enemy," he admitted, "was our pride"....When Square originally announced back in 1997 that the Final Fantasy series would be PlayStation exclusive from now on, Nintendo president Hiroshi Yamauchi treated the affront lightly, saying that the console selection "couldn't be helped." Suzuki responded by publicly bashing the N64 and convincing Enix to join the PS camp along with them, which, looking back at it now, he realizes wasn't an incredibly smart move.
So quiet, SB.
Post by: Pryopizm on March 16, 2006, 08:25:35 PM
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 16, 2006, 08:58:08 PM
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Originally posted by: TheYoungerPlumber"Our true enemy," he admitted, "was our pride"....When Square originally announced back in 1997 that the Final Fantasy series would be PlayStation exclusive from now on, Nintendo president Hiroshi Yamauchi treated the affront lightly, saying that the console selection "couldn't be helped." Suzuki responded by publicly bashing the N64 and convincing Enix to join the PS camp along with them, which, looking back at it now, he realizes wasn't an incredibly smart move.
I said...
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I'm not arguing for RPGs, I'm arguing against letting a cash cow wander out of the barn.
We agree, then: he took the affront lightly when he should have been vying for Square's support. The man underestimated RPGs, underestimated CD technology (which he had Sony build for them, no less), and handed over the gaming market by letting Square go.
He completely ignored obvious market trends because he saw the gaming market how he wanted to see it instead of how it actually was, and quotes like the first one reaffirm this fact. You CANNOT run a company with a president who is more interested in telling his customers what they want than asking them what they want.
I don't know if he could have convinced Square to stay, but the man sure as hell didn't try very hard. A hojillion Playstation and Final Fantasy sales later, Nintendo is in 3rd place, their inability to secure 3rd party exclusives being cited as the main source of the current position, the attitude of being able to succeed on their own being Yamauchi's. Yamauchi may have bitchslapped the gaming market back when a lone company could do such a thing, but the man didn't know when he should stop slapping and start practicing some diplomacy.
If Nintendo can't succeed with the Rev this gen, then I doubt we'll see another home console from them. Fortunately, Nintendo's middle name is "diplomacy" these days, as they've been excellent about securing 3rd party games on the DS and it looks like man 3rd party devs are coming back to the Rev after not making a game for a Nintendo console for two generations (like Tecmo).
I'll concede that his barbaric ways might have been good for Nintendo's push into the market and establishing the market, but I think his retirement was extremely well timed.
Post by: ThePerm on March 16, 2006, 09:21:16 PM
i beleive it was Mark Rein who joked..."Nintendo gamers will end up getting really beefy forearms after playing revolution"
Post by: TheYoungerPlumber on March 16, 2006, 09:42:45 PM
Nintendo's developers care about load times. They didn't stick with a cartridge format becuase Yamauchi said so. (It was probably Miyamoto's foot that went down, if any.) Yamauchi knew the N64 wasn't about to change formats because of first party devleloper desires, so the decision couldn't be helped. Just as he said. Subsequent feuding on the handheld front only occured because the two presidents traded insults over N64, and Square started the feud. (Note Yamauchi eventually DID agree to end the feud and even provided money for FFCC development.)
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 17, 2006, 06:21:52 AM
However, it begs the question: why were they all so willing and eager to leave in the first place?
This is why I'm glad Iwata is a diplomat. Like I said, when it came time to literally force the creation of the gaming market, Yamauchi was the right man for the job, but now that it's established and we have a wider selection of competitors, a diplomat is essential in securing 3rd party exclusives.
Post by: Hostile Creation on March 17, 2006, 06:34:49 AM
I was wondering how that happened, too.
RPGs are still lame. They can be popular, I'm not arguing that. There are lots of lame people in the world.
Post by: capamerica on March 17, 2006, 09:00:14 AM
I'm glad Yamauchi is gone, now I just wish he would shut up and fade away.
Post by: Hostile Creation on March 17, 2006, 09:36:07 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 17, 2006, 09:53:10 AM
However, those were the days when 3rd parties were treated like indentured servants and Yamauchi was no exception to that. If he had perhaps been kinder to his 3rd parties and treated them as though they increased the appeal of Nintendo's hardware instead of treating them as though they were leeching off of it, they wouldn't have been so eager to jump ship to Sony when the offer came.
EDIT: and to keep this thread from getting too serious, here's a KITTEN PILE:
Post by: PIAC on March 17, 2006, 12:28:35 PM
Why is this going on in this thread. Get out.
I hear Yamauchi eats children and video game nerds who argue serious topics where they shouldn't, in their sleep. He's commin' to get you clowns.
Post by: TMW on March 17, 2006, 02:20:36 PM
Post by: breakyboy on March 17, 2006, 03:02:01 PM
The biggest problem with third-parties (up to and including square) and Nintendo in the 32/64-bit era was the fact they went with carts which had a massively larger cost to manufacture than optical media. Not to mention it's not easy to cram all them textures and sound and whozits in a small cart compared to just plopping them on a much more spacious disc.
Misnomer #1 on all this is that Yamauchi was the one behind this. In actual fact, it was our beloved Miyamoto who had the unbelievable foresight (LOL sarcasm) to DEMAND carts because he wanted no load times on Mario 64 and any other games he made. Yamauchi wanted optical media. He knew it was the future. They went back and forth, Miyamoto either convinced him or got more sway on the board of directors or something (my memory is foggy on this point). The reason Yamauchi gets blamed for it, is that once the decision was made, he stood behind it. He's the damned captain of the team, and even if he didn't agree with it, the man has balls of steel and took it in the nuts for the team.
And as usual, Yamauchi was right.
P.S. What did he say about the DS... something about "this will either sink us to hell or rise us to heaven" (paraphrasing). Yeah, him being right seems to be status quo in the industry.
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 17, 2006, 04:10:24 PM
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Originally posted by: breakyboy
P.S. What did he say about the DS... something about "this will either sink us to hell or rise us to heaven" (paraphrasing). Yeah, him being right seems to be status quo in the industry.
That's like the funhouse banner saying that experts agree Osama is dead or alive.
Like I said, A+ for bringing the gaming industry back from the dead, F- for diplomacy when it came to 3rd parties. Optical media or not, the N64 would have had far more support from 3rd parties if they had seen better treatment during the NES/SNES era.
Post by: animecyberrat on March 17, 2006, 04:11:33 PM
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 17, 2006, 04:21:54 PM
Frankly, if Nintendo wasn't trying something new and different with their home console this gen, I'd be worried. The GC2 would not have cut it.
Post by: Hostile Creation on March 17, 2006, 05:41:26 PM
Post by: TMW on March 17, 2006, 06:04:38 PM
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 17, 2006, 06:14:11 PM
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Originally posted by: TMW
I heard that Yamauchi eats kittens whole for breakfast, while resting on his bed thats made entirely of human skin from the backs of Sony execs.
See, I'd have to respect him then. Not for the kittens, but because, given that Sony execs are tiny, irritable people, that bed would have to be made of at least 30 of them.
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Man I love kittens. Thank you Smash Brother.
Oops. Then you're not going to like my latest banner for the funhouse...
Post by: Hostile Creation on March 17, 2006, 07:48:35 PM
Post by: IceCold on March 17, 2006, 07:56:27 PM
Post by: TMW on March 17, 2006, 08:26:23 PM
Post by: Hostile Creation on March 18, 2006, 01:57:55 PM
If it's supposed to be a non sequitor, why would I be offended?
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 18, 2006, 03:48:54 PM
The joke is that it starts out as one of those relaxation or inspirational messages that no one likes but someone keeps insisting work, but then veers off into suggesting that beef and broccoli (and other manners of chinese food by association) is actually cat.
Post by: Zach on March 19, 2006, 07:30:05 AM
Post by: TMW on March 19, 2006, 08:03:18 AM
I heard Yamauchi once flogged a boardmember with a NES controller cord for making a bad joke during a boardmeeting.
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 19, 2006, 10:35:19 AM
IceCold got it. I'm not going to dumb it down for everyone else.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 19, 2006, 10:53:43 AM
<inside these brackets the text should be considerably smaller that the rest>
Post by: Hostile Creation on March 19, 2006, 09:52:54 PM
I mean, I figured you meant the kittens were turned into "beef", but the Chinese thing didn't register.
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 20, 2006, 08:13:15 AM
First of all, the "dumb it down" comment was unwarranted. I apologize.
Second, I think I have a way of making the joke far less subtle but I'd need to find the right pictures. Let me see what I can do...
Post by: Rohan531 on April 23, 2009, 11:49:15 PM
Actually, you've given me some ideas. You and BNM.so what is the ideas you get from them?i just want to know., i am just curious,
First of all, the "dumb it down" comment was unwarranted. I apologize.
Second, I think I have a way of making the joke far less subtle but I'd need to find the right pictures. Let me see what I can do...
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 24, 2009, 12:28:26 AM
Its been eating away at me this whole time...
speaking of eating... Where is that Kitten Chow Funhouse that I ordered?
Post by: Smash_Brother on April 24, 2009, 03:39:16 PM
Lovely.
Made me realize what a callous ass I was in this post, though. I sure mellowed out a lot.
Also, half of these people don't even post here anymore. :(
Post by: vudu on April 24, 2009, 03:41:09 PM
Ugg, shills bumping ancient posts for the sake of post count.
LOL. Post count: 1
Did I miss something?
Post by: NWR_pap64 on April 26, 2009, 08:34:43 PM
Ugg, shills bumping ancient posts for the sake of post count.
Lovely.
Made me realize what a callous ass I was in this post, though. I sure mellowed out a lot.
Also, half of these people don't even post here anymore. :(
Having a woman does that to you. :)
Post by: S-U-P-E-R on April 28, 2009, 01:38:45 PM
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