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Title: Umm, Metroid rip-off?
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 11, 2006, 08:51:20 AM
The description says:

"The game features its main character Jenosa Arma a bounty hunter. 48 hours ago a distress signal was sent from a remote research lab studying a virulent organism identified as the “Scurge”. Scientists have been studying its remarkable metamorphic and energy abilities. Jenosa Arma has been commissioned by a black-ops cell from the government to investigate and salvage any research technology from within the facility. She is armed with top-secret projectile gauntlets and a prototype battle suit."

Unless I'm missing something, this is the raw epitome of a Metroid rip-off...

Or was this an April Fools joke which Gamestop took seriously?
Title: RE:Umm, Metroid rip-off?
Post by: Khushrenada on March 11, 2006, 12:11:31 PM
It's a real game as far as I can tell. It was originally created for the Game Boy Advance but since then, the publisher Orbital decided to make a version for the DS. IGN has reported on this awhile ago. Nintendo Power has both versions on their GameWatch forecast and there have even been two page adds for the game. I guess it's the long way of saying: it exists.

Personally, I've been waiting for information about the game because I've been kind of curious about it. But, there never seems to be any news about it, and I can hardly find any screens for it. Of course, I haven't searched for any for a long time because I'm not that interested in it. I just think it might have potential.

When I learned about the game, I thought it was a rip-off of Metroid as well. But the description I read made it seem a bit different compared to the description you just quoted. Maybe I'll look for the other description later but not right now.  
Title: RE: Umm, Metroid rip-off?
Post by: Karl Castaneda #2 on March 11, 2006, 12:14:50 PM
Scurge is indeed real. Furthermore, Jon seemed to like it:

http://planetgamecube.com/impressionsArt.cfm?artid=3278
Title: RE:Umm, Metroid rip-off?
Post by: Khushrenada on March 11, 2006, 12:30:33 PM
I noticed at the end of the article you posted, the game was supposed to come out in September. I know they decided to make a DS version but we've really never heard or seen anything about the game since then. As far as I know, there hasn't been a new release date since then either. That's the only reason why I wasn't fully sure about what had happened to this game.
Title: RE: Umm, Metroid rip-off?
Post by: nitsu niflheim on March 11, 2006, 03:18:45 PM
Gamestop.com changed their website.  Now I don't have to let the page load before I can navigate the system catagories, like before which on dial-up could be a while.
Title: RE: Umm, Metroid rip-off?
Post by: mantidor on March 11, 2006, 04:17:28 PM
well, as someone said the best form of a compliment is copying.  
Title: RE: Umm, Metroid rip-off?
Post by: TMW on March 11, 2006, 05:23:03 PM
Picasso said it best.

"Good artists borrow.  Great artists steal."
Title: RE: Umm, Metroid rip-off?
Post by: nitsu niflheim on March 11, 2006, 05:32:00 PM
I was interested for some reason in the game before I even knew what it was about... strange but true the title alone sort of caught my attention.  I might give it try whenever it comes out.
Title: RE: Umm, Metroid rip-off?
Post by: ruby_onix on March 11, 2006, 05:44:12 PM
Metroid is an "Aliens" ripoff.
Title: RE: Umm, Metroid rip-off?
Post by: BranDonk Kong on March 11, 2006, 06:04:49 PM
Aside from the whole concept of the game, yes. It's also called "Alien", "Aliens" was the name of the second movie.
Title: RE: Umm, Metroid rip-off?
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 11, 2006, 06:08:28 PM
An "Alien" or "Aliens" ripoff is a bit of a stretch.

Yes, the aliens were allegedly being bred in the hopes that they could be used as bioweapons, but the whole "Bounty hunter in a powered suit of armor with an arm cannon" bit is completely new.
Title: RE: Umm, Metroid rip-off?
Post by: KDR_11k on March 11, 2006, 08:17:18 PM
Even though it DID copy the "Hero merged with alien genes" idea from Alien: Ressurrection for Metroid Fusion...
Title: RE: Umm, Metroid rip-off?
Post by: TrueNerd on March 11, 2006, 08:28:06 PM
The director of "Alien" is RIDLEY Scott. You don't think that's where they got the name for Samus' nemesis do you? And the timed escape sequences, those were ripped right out of "Alien." As is the whole idea of the Galactic Federation wanting the metroids to study for their uses as a weapon. It is obvious that "Alien" is Metroid's main influence. I would actually hope to see even more "Alien" stealing, as it's fantastic source material.  
Title: RE: Umm, Metroid rip-off?
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 11, 2006, 08:43:12 PM
Timed escape sequences could have been taken from virtually anywhere, but I see your point with Ridley Scott.

Still, the powered suit of armor bit would have had to have come from the one scene where Weaver battles the alien queen with the loading mech. The bounty hunter part is anyone's guess.

EDIT: From the screenshots, the game seems to play like a 3/4s view Metroid.
Title: RE: Umm, Metroid rip-off?
Post by: Infernal Monkey on March 11, 2006, 10:18:15 PM
How is this... a rip off? I don't see it. Unless Nintendo has trademarked 'bounty hunter'.  
Title: RE: Umm, Metroid rip-off?
Post by: KDR_11k on March 12, 2006, 04:39:49 AM
Rip-off doesn't necessarily mean trademark or copyright infringement.
Title: RE:Umm, Metroid rip-off?
Post by: mantidor on March 12, 2006, 05:56:36 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: TrueNerd
The director of "Alien" is RIDLEY Scott. You don't think that's where they got the name for Samus' nemesis do you? And the timed escape sequences, those were ripped right out of "Alien." As is the whole idea of the Galactic Federation wanting the metroids to study for their uses as a weapon. It is obvious that "Alien" is Metroid's main influence. I would actually hope to see even more "Alien" stealing, as it's fantastic source material.


I think that by galactic federation you mean space pirates.

Title: RE: Umm, Metroid rip-off?
Post by: KDR_11k on March 12, 2006, 06:07:26 AM
Not in Fusion.
Title: RE:Umm, Metroid rip-off?
Post by: animecyberrat on March 12, 2006, 08:14:30 AM
Turrican is ther best Metroid copy cat and there hasnt beena  new turrican game for over a decade. Seriously Turrican makers, now is the BEST time to bring it back. Turrican on revolution would rock  
Title: RE: Umm, Metroid rip-off?
Post by: KDR_11k on March 12, 2006, 09:02:21 AM
Factor 5 is responsible for Turrican (they were also to blame for Giana Sisters and Katakis, two ripoffs that I played a lot as a kid) and their next three games are XCircle exclusive. If Lucas Arts lets them make another Turrican you will need an XC for it.
Title: RE:Umm, Metroid rip-off?
Post by: IceCold on March 12, 2006, 10:30:26 AM
Eh? I thought Factor 5 was PS3 exclusive now?  
Title: RE:Umm, Metroid rip-off?
Post by: animecyberrat on March 12, 2006, 01:53:59 PM
not even close, Factor Five only did Mega Turrican for Sega Genesis, EACH Turrican game was made and publsihed by different companies. Accolade, Data east, and Ballistic also made Turrican games among others.  
Title: RE: Umm, Metroid rip-off?
Post by: ruby_onix on March 12, 2006, 03:43:54 PM
http://www.factor5.com/history.shtml

Factor 5 made all the Turrican games. Those companies you mentioned are just some of the ones who published and distributed them.
Title: RE:Umm, Metroid rip-off?
Post by: animecyberrat on March 12, 2006, 04:59:56 PM
There was also a Turrican cell phone game made by THQ recently and Factor five still could liscense the game to any company they chose as they have done in the past. I read the full history of Turrican on other websites and they only mentiond the console versions as made by factor 5, the original COmmodore versions were made by the original programmer and he liscensed the rights out. Anyway its irrelevent if they wanted to they could make Turrican for Rev, they had a Turrican game in the works for GC but it was cancelled.  
Title: RE: Umm, Metroid rip-off?
Post by: KDR_11k on March 12, 2006, 08:29:31 PM
Hm, after a bit of looking it seems like Manfred Trenz now has a company called Denaris Entertainment (Denaris was another name for his second game Katakis). They're working on the PC, GBA and DS. Hülsbeck, the composer for Turrican, is still with F5.

Factor five still could liscense the game to any company they chose as they have done in the past.

According to Wikipedia they made Thornado instead of Turrican because they no longer had the rights to the Turrican name. OTOH, the USPTO attributes Turrican to Factor 5 but lists first use for the trademark as 1996. That's some chaos. Perhaps Trenz has the copyright to most of the elements of the game.

IceCold: You're right. I don't own either system so I'm not very interested in who does what.
Title: RE:Umm, Metroid rip-off?
Post by: animecyberrat on March 13, 2006, 04:59:18 AM
so there is still hope for a Turrican game, they recently made that cell phone turrican which I wanted pretty bad but dont have the phone it came with and dont know if you can download it or not. Anyways I amam HUGE turrican fan, I have all of the snes and genesis turrican games and play those more than any other action game on either system.  
Title: RE: Umm, Metroid rip-off?
Post by: KDR_11k on March 13, 2006, 06:18:33 AM
I THINK that game came with my father's cellphone. If that was it you're not missing anything, it's a sluggish, clumsy sidescroller with oversized sprites (i.e. you can see no further than three steps ahead) running at 3 frames per second with awfully long load times.
Title: RE: Umm, Metroid rip-off?
Post by: Ian Sane on March 13, 2006, 06:31:10 AM
Since Nintendo is giving as a Metroid FPS on the DS and hasn't annouced a real Metroid game yet and don't see any problem with another company filling in the gap.  I think the isometric view is a new enough twist to the formula to allow it to stand on it's own.  Often some of best games just take an existing formula and then add a few new elements to it.  Though the storyline with the female bounty hunter is a little too similar for my liking.

As for Metroid being a rip-off of alien I don't see any problem with it.  Alien is a movie and Metroid is a game.  Metroid's legacy is based on it's gameplay, not the storyline elements it shares with Alien, so it's hardly a rip-off.  Most videogames in terms of story are cliche city.
Title: RE: Umm, Metroid rip-off?
Post by: KDR_11k on March 13, 2006, 07:56:09 AM
But a jump and run in iso view is a really bad idea as Sonic 3D proved. Especially the diagonally oriented kind.

Personally I don't think there's much of a Metroid gap, Zero Mission works perfectly on the DS and although it's not the greatest game ever it's decent.
Title: RE: Umm, Metroid rip-off?
Post by: Ian Sane on March 13, 2006, 08:08:39 AM
"But a jump and run in iso view is a really bad idea as Sonic 3D proved. Especially the diagonally oriented kind."

It worked okay in Super Mario RPG.  There was a fair bit of platforming in that.

Comparing to Sonic has become almost silly.  If we're going to say "but when Sonic tried that it sucked" then we're going to be crapping on almost every game that isn't a sidescroller.
Title: RE: Umm, Metroid rip-off?
Post by: KDR_11k on March 13, 2006, 08:37:38 PM
In iso view you have no idea what your position in space is. That works for easy jumps but not for the stuff you'd expect from a platformer. Same for 3d. It works fine in Zelda because jumping is greatly simplified and not complicated but in 3d Mario there's so much comfusion with the camera spinning around, platforms floating in mid air and never knowing whether you'll make a jump. It's a bit better in 3d because you can spot the position while the camera moves and you got perspectivic distortion to help you but in iso view even that is lacking.