Post by: thepoga on March 07, 2006, 02:17:59 PM
http://media.ds.ign.com/media/682/682879/img_3436174.html
It still has the NEW title attached to it. Is this really the final name? And I don't know about you, but I'm not feeling too excited over the boxart.
The name is most likely temporary so what do you all think that the final name will be? They probably won't do Super Mario DS because of Super Mario 64 DS. I think the best name would be Super Mario World 3. So 2D Mario platformers will keep a theme or something. I hope at the very least that they don't attach the DS part as Double Siblings or something. At least its not the mess that Super Mario Advance 4: Super Mario Bros. 3 is. Maybe they could make it Super Mario Bros. 4?
Post by: Artimus on March 07, 2006, 02:36:03 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on March 07, 2006, 02:43:34 PM
Post by: jasonditz on March 07, 2006, 04:54:06 PM
I'd rather they try to go with the DS theme: maybe Super Mario Bros: Dangerous Shells.
Post by: stevey on March 07, 2006, 05:17:50 PM
Post by: Caliban on March 07, 2006, 05:22:12 PM
Post by: Mario on March 07, 2006, 05:58:04 PM
It is going to cause some confusion in the future though, when a new SMB game is about to come out.
<Dude> Yo, you dig the new SMB?
<Dudette> I got that ages ago! Get with the times!
<Dude> Nah the new one!
<Dudette> New Super Mario Bros?
<Dude> Yeah!
<Dudette> Yeah I have that!
<Dude> But it's not out yet!
Post by: Chris1 on March 07, 2006, 06:23:56 PM
Post by: jasonditz on March 07, 2006, 06:53:33 PM
This isn't some one time shot that people aren't going to care about in a few years, it's the first original 2D Mario title in a decade, the marketing team needs to have an eye on its place in history.
Post by: wandering on March 07, 2006, 07:06:57 PM
It's very New Coke-ish.
Post by: animecyberrat on March 07, 2006, 07:16:09 PM
Post by: Pale on March 08, 2006, 04:40:52 AM
New Super Mario Bros. 2?
Then in 3 can I wear a raccoon suit?
That'd be sweet.
Post by: Strell on March 08, 2006, 05:10:51 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on March 08, 2006, 06:39:06 AM
Yes that's insane logic but I'm sticking to it.One thing I really don't like about the title is that it suggests a new take on the original Super Mario Bros. I don't really want some nostalgic throwback. I want a new Mario sidescroller like if gaming stayed in 2D what sort of Mario game we would have got around 1998.
Post by: vudu on March 08, 2006, 08:42:11 AM
QuoteIan, seriously, WTF. That's not what we're even talking about. We're discussing the name, not the gameplay. You just want an excuse to bitch and moan.
My greatest fear regarding this game is that they'll f*ck it up. I've been waiting for this game since 1995 so it will be incredibly crushing to me if it sucks. Nintendo's not perfect so I figure they're going to screw something up so maybe it's good that the name is so horrible because that's really not that big of a deal and if they use their "sure to screw something up" card on that then we're okay. Yes that's insane logic but I'm sticking to it.
Nintendo should ditch the numbering of sequels and just give it a subtitle (which they already did for Sunshine). I say call this one Super Mario Bros: Tiku Tiku Tiku!
Post by: KDR_11k on March 08, 2006, 09:03:39 AM
Post by: Strell on March 08, 2006, 09:07:38 AM
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A lot of people are wondering (well, from some of the blog sites I've read anyway) about whether the new Mario game will be any good with a "no name" like Takashi Tezuka working on it. I thought I should just point out some of the other projects he worked on:
http://gonintendo.com/wp-content/photos/timeline.JPG
Yea, I'm not worried.
Post by: Ian Sane on March 08, 2006, 09:28:56 AM
Did you actually read what I wrote?
Summed up my point is that every game always has something wrong with it and in this case it might as well be the name because that's a minor point. If they're going to goof something up better it be the name then the game content itself.
Post by: Deguello on March 08, 2006, 09:30:07 AM
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One thing I really don't like about the title is that it suggests a new take on the original Super Mario Bros. I don't really want some nostalgic throwback.
I think this is really the crux with everyone's problem with you, Ian. Essentially, in two short sentences and tweny-nine words, you have captured the very essence of moronic dichotomy.
It's funny that you would deride a new take on Mario, and yet you say you have been waiting for this game since 1995. This would indicate that you include Yoshi's Island, which was about as different a take on Mario as you could get. It turned the game on its head, really.
Additionally you say you don't want a nostalgia trip. If this is your wish, just why do you want to play this game? It is going to be nostalgic by default, unless they do something new with it, which apparently is out of the question.
This is thin ice, buddy. I mean it.
Post by: Ian Sane on March 08, 2006, 10:23:54 AM
You misinterpreted what I was saying. I don't just want a new take on "Super Mario Bros" as in the original 1985 game. The "New" suggests that the idea was to recreate Super Mario Bros with some new ideas and levels. In other words make a nostalgic tip of the hat to the original game. I don't want just that. I would prefer something with the same newness the classic Mario titles had when they were released. There were always enemies from the earlier games and such but it wasn't all nostalgia. The appeal of the game was that it was a new Mario game and there were all sorts of new stuff to check out, not that it was a trip through old times fondly remembered. I've noticed with a lot of sequels where there's several years in between games there's this tendency to play like a greatest hits and the game is full of old stuff the fans remember but there's little new stuff.
Post by: jasonditz on March 08, 2006, 10:31:07 AM
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Originally posted by: Deguello
Additionally you say you don't want a nostalgia trip. If this is your wish, just why do you want to play this game? It is going to be nostalgic by default, unless they do something new with it, which apparently is out of the question.
This is thin ice, buddy. I mean it.
Actually I get what he's saying there... this game needs to be a legitimate Mario 2D game that stands on its own two feet and is a legitimate successor to the long line of great games, and not just something like the Mario level in SSBM's adventure mode that's just a pale imitiation of a game we all know and love.
Post by: Luffy1Piece on March 08, 2006, 12:24:00 PM
Super Mario Bros. DS is too close to Super Mario 64 DS(The Super Mario Advance games don't help with this much either) which was a revamped version of an older Mario title. This creates the connatation that Super Mario Bros. DS is a remake of the original Super Mario Bros. Coming up with a logical subtitle is also hard since there isn't much to work with. We already know the story is the princess is kidnapped by Bowser yet again, there's not much you can do with that to create a clever subtitle. Also, creating a subtitle like Super Mario Bros Double Sized ( As well as the suggested in this thread, Super Mario Bros 2006 Edition) or something of the sort just goes back to feeling like a remake rather than a new game. I've heard people suggest that it should be called Super Mario Bros. Adventure or Super Mario Bros. Legends and this just makes it sound like another Mario RPG game and not a new platformer. Super Mario Bros. Neo has been thrown around by fans and while it's not quite as obnoxious as say Super Mario Bros. Xtreme or Super Mario Bros. Hardcore, it nevertheless doesn't sound very Mario-ish and doesn't fit very well. It'd work well for Mega Man but not Mario.
Ultimately the reason why this name is best for Nintendo is because it's not targeted at you or me. Nintendo knows we'll buy this game no matter what it's called just on virtue of it being a new Mario sidescroller from EAD. Nintendo isn't just releasing software in void for only us traditional gamers anymore. Nintendo's strategy with both the DS and Revolution is about appealing to us, older drop-out gamers and people who never played games much at all before if ever. It's these later two groups who this title is targeted towards. Do you really have any idea how many people played the original Super Mario Bros. but never followed up with any of the subsequent games in the franchise? There a many, many, many people who have because everybody played Super Mario Bros. back then. Your mom played it, your dad played it even your uncle with the funny haircut and beer breath played it. It was a game like Pong and Pac-man before it and Tetris since it's release, managed to penetrate the general populace in ways games like GTA, Madden etc. could only dream of. It's meant to stir memories and emotions in those people, to make them say, "Hey, they made a new Super Mario Bros.! I used to love that game!". Then at the very least, pick it up and look at the back of the box and check it out if not outright buy it.
Post by: IceCold on March 08, 2006, 01:53:18 PM
QuoteEven if you've gone spoiler-free for a while like me, I'm sure you've seen some screens and videos. Looking at those, does it look in any way like it will be a SMB recreation. Not at all..
You misinterpreted what I was saying. I don't just want a new take on "Super Mario Bros" as in the original 1985 game. The "New" suggests that the idea was to recreate Super Mario Bros with some new ideas and levels. In other words make a nostalgic tip of the hat to the original game.
Post by: Michael8983 on March 09, 2006, 07:41:09 AM
New Super Mario Bros
New Super Mario Bros 2
New Super Mario Bros 3
New Super Mario World
New Super Mario World 2
Basically take the original games, create new levels in the same style, add additional gameplay elements.
Basically great games remixed into new, great games. This could very well be Nintendo's plan.
Post by: Artimus on March 09, 2006, 09:45:48 AM
"According to a recent Nintendo Power interview with Takashi Tezuka, New Super Mario Bros. for the DS will feature the return of the beloved koopalings."
http://www.joystiq.com/2006/03/09/koopalings-to-return-in-new-super-mario-bros-yoshi-on-the-side/
Oh HAPPY DAY!
Post by: Arbok on March 09, 2006, 10:08:59 AM
Post by: Chris1 on March 09, 2006, 11:15:46 AM
Post by: IceCold on March 09, 2006, 12:42:53 PM
Post by: Infernal Monkey on March 09, 2006, 01:52:42 PM
Post by: blackfootsteps on March 10, 2006, 12:16:35 PM
But the average consumer will probably think its the eleventh remake of NES Super Mario Bros.
Post by: King of Twitch on March 10, 2006, 08:36:19 PM
Post by: nitsu niflheim on March 11, 2006, 05:45:49 PM
is Super Mario World "Super Mario Bros. 4" or is it a while new trilogy for Mario that ended on the N64 and Super Mario 64 another trilogy that is more or less not finished unless you want to include Super Mario 64 DS, then which in fact the trilogy is complete and the New Super Mario Bros. and the when-ever-the-hell-it-comes-out Super Mario Bros. 128 (?) being the first games in possibly two new trilogy's.
something to think about
Post by: jasonditz on March 12, 2006, 09:00:18 AM
Post by: nitsu niflheim on March 12, 2006, 03:13:40 PM
Post by: Ian Sane on March 13, 2006, 06:20:12 AM
The first would be Mario Bros, Super Mario Bros 1-3, Super Mario World 1-2, Super Mario 64, Super Mario Sunshine. I would consider both versions of Super Mario Bros 2 in this series since they're grouped together as such in Super Mario All-Stars. Super Mario Bros 2 has pretty much been accepted as a real Mario game after all these years anyway.
The second would be the Super Mario Land games. I consider them different not just because they're on the Gameboy but because they're not made by Miyamoto or EAD. I think they were made by Intelligent Systems (or R&D1 which is kind of the same team but not really). This became the Warioland series.
Yoshi's Story I consider an offshoot like Luigi's Mansion or Super Princess Peach though my reasons for that is probably more that it's just not very good than anything else.
I consider Mario vs Donkey Kong part of the Donkey Kong series which also consists of the three DK arcade games and DK '94. The Rare Donkey Kongs are a different series altogether. Jungle Beat is the start of a new DK series.
I'm not sure where New Super Mario Bros fits in. Typically Nintendo's 2D and 3D versions of games are seperated in different series but if this is made by EAD and it features Mario as the staring character and it's clearly a platformer so it could be part of the main series. It'll probably be best to wait and see in case Nintendo starts a whole series of "New Super Mario Bros" games or maybe just a series of "New" games period with other Nintendo franchises given the same treatment.
Post by: jasonditz on March 13, 2006, 06:59:51 AM
I wonder what Nintendo considers canon to the series... I'd considered stuff like Luigi's Mansion, Mario Is Missing!, etc to be more Mario Gaidens.
Post by: capamerica on March 13, 2006, 08:08:57 AM
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Originally posted by: Artimus
THEY'RE BACK BACK BACK BACK BACK! BEST GAME EVAH!!!111!!
"According to a recent Nintendo Power interview with Takashi Tezuka, New Super Mario Bros. for the DS will feature the return of the beloved koopalings."
http://www.joystiq.com/2006/03/09/koopalings-to-return-in-new-super-mario-bros-yoshi-on-the-side/
Oh HAPPY DAY!
I just found out that Bowser Jr is also going to be in the game
http://www.britishgaming.co.uk/?p=612 (8th picture down)
Man I wonder if their going to do any interaction between The Koopa kids and Bowser Jr?
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 13, 2006, 08:46:13 AM
How the f-bomb are they going to explain THIS one?
Post by: Ian Sane on March 13, 2006, 09:20:54 AM
And Mario Kart and Mario Party and the various Mario sports games and even then Tennis and Golf have sequels and thus could be considered their own series. Anyway I was talking about the platformer games.
The Mario RPG series though is hard to seperate as originally it was like one series but now both Paper Mario and Mario & Luigi have direct sequels so we basically have three Mario RPG series with the first game being a one-shot title. Each series is made by a different dev after all and each has their own battle system.
"I wonder what Nintendo considers canon to the series"
Nintendo very blatantly just makes things up as they go and doesn't pay attention to continuity or consistency. Hell the whole thing was totally screwed up when they turned Doki Doki Panic into a Mario title and then later put characters like Shyguy that are originally Doki Doki Panic characters into original Mario titles. This is a company that when asked why they're called the "Mario brothers" despite Mario being one guy's first name said that Mario's full name is Mario Mario which is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. With Nintendo it's probably safe to say nothing is canon because they just do whatever they want. The best we can hope for is that an individual game maintains it's own consistency within itself.
Post by: ShyGuy on March 13, 2006, 10:37:39 AM
Post by: Rancid Planet on March 13, 2006, 12:58:40 PM
Post by: Hostile Creation on March 13, 2006, 01:32:35 PM
Why would anyone think it needed to be consistent.
Post by: jasonditz on March 13, 2006, 02:28:18 PM
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Originally posted by: Hostile Creation
Mario doesn't have a story. It NEVER did.
Why would anyone think it needed to be consistent.
Because the RPGs are very story-heavy.
Post by: nitsu niflheim on March 13, 2006, 04:50:13 PM
To just outright say the Mario games have no story whatso ever is a diservice to the games themselves, just because the story isn't a constant in your face even doesn't mean there is no story.
Post by: Bill Aurion on March 13, 2006, 05:30:28 PM
Post by: Hostile Creation on March 13, 2006, 07:02:24 PM
That's what I meant. As Bill said, no timeline.
Post by: KDR_11k on March 13, 2006, 08:49:50 PM
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 14, 2006, 12:01:23 PM
I'd have to buy it from curiosity alone.
Post by: jasonditz on March 14, 2006, 12:52:22 PM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
They need to team Miyamoto and Kojima up and see what they create.
I'd have to buy it from curiosity alone.
Tokimeki Memorial Vs.
Post by: Rancid Planet on March 14, 2006, 10:00:52 PM
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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
Carmack once said the story to a game is like the story to a porn flick...
Doorbell Rings. Peach answers door
Mario as Pizza delvery guy: It'sa ME! Mario! Here is your PIZZA!
Peach: Oh, thank you. If you'll just step inside I'll get your tip.
Mario: OKEY DOKEY!
bongo music starts playing in background
Peach: You know I like a little extra meat on my pizza.
Mario: HERE WE GO!
Post by: jasonditz on March 15, 2006, 04:51:30 AM
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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
Carmack once said the story to a game is like the story to a porn flick: It's there because it's expected to be there but noone cares about it, they just want to play/wank. I think Miyamoto has a similar oppinion, to him a setting is a tool that is used to complement a gameplay. He's an engineer and he engineers the settings to work with one particular gameplay he has in mind. Of course that becomes a problem when the corporation says "We liked that setting you made there, make more of it for Us!". The setting is only a vessel for the gameplay so it's not meant to be expanded upon, it's an extra. What really receives the sequel is the gameplay.
That explains a lot about Carmack's games
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 15, 2006, 06:01:27 AM
Mario64DS mini games to be included in The New Super Mario Bros.
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Originally posted by: Nintendo-Europe in an with Miyamoto
“When it comes to Mario, sometimes you may be able to do an ultra super jump and you are going to see a very unique and unprecedented jumping style. In terms of Super Mario, everybody already expects him to become bigger but this time, with the help of a Super Giant Mushroom, Super Mario can become gigantic, taking up almost all the screen, and he can destroy everything.”
‘And Mario can also become very small, by using another type of mushroom, right?’ we add.
“Right,” says Miyamoto “and that’s not all. For example, two players can play as Mario and Luigi at the same time, in the multiplayer mode. Sometimes you have to compete with each other to reach the goal, and sometimes they can fight against each other. You remember the game Mario Bros.? In that, Mario and Luigi could sometimes cooperate, sometimes compete. I think it’s more fun to have two players play simultaneously in this New Super Mario Bros.
“And you remember in Super Mario 64 DS we incorporated a number of minigames? Each of these minigames is going to be available in New Super Mario Bros. In each minigame both Mario and Luigi can compete against each other. Some you can play in two-player or four-player mode with one cartridge.”
Sounds great! But hang on, didn’t Miyamoto mention Koopa Kids a second ago? We haven’t heard from them in a while. We inquire if the new game has the same kind of ‘Level, World, Fortress, Boss’ structure as in Super Mario Bros. 3.
“Unfortunately I am not in a position to tell you anything further, sorry, but basically yes you are right!” says Miyamoto, chuckling.Quote
Source = Nintendo-Europe.com
Have you heard this B4?
Post by: Artimus on March 19, 2006, 06:50:45 PM
-At LEAST 80 levels!
-Back to the Mario platformer basics, the things that made people love the originals
-The 3D characters are so that 3D movements such as rotation and sneaking can be carried out easily
And a ton of new screens (including an AWESOME Bowser and a Koopa Kid!!).
Translation
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Post by: wandering on March 19, 2006, 07:08:26 PM
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Post by: IceCold on March 20, 2006, 05:54:07 AM
Post by: Robageejammin on March 23, 2006, 03:35:37 AM
Now its Mario
Post by: Mario on March 23, 2006, 03:45:40 AM
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Originally posted by: KnowsNothing
That essentially makes my Mario 64 DS cart useless, and that makes me sad...
Seriously! WTF is this? Super Mario 64 DS is pretty much useless now, what a waste of money. On the other hand new DS owners who are picking up New Super Mario Bros are going to get a crapload of value, but i'm not one of them so i'm pissed that Nintendo screwed me. Now I know how Ian feels!
Post by: Bill Aurion on March 23, 2006, 04:43:44 AM
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Originally posted by: wandering
Until the game's in my DS actively proving me wrong...I'm still going to keep on assuming this will be the worst return to a classic series since the Phantom Menace.
Everyone who has played the game says "Hi" and at the same time throws canned tomato at your groin!
Post by: KDR_11k on March 23, 2006, 04:50:35 AM
Well, there IS a main game in there...
Post by: Bill Aurion on March 23, 2006, 06:30:03 AM
Post by: ShyGuy on March 23, 2006, 06:35:47 AM
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Super Mario 64 DS is pretty much useless now, what a waste of money.
...And you did get to play the games a year and a half before NSMB comes out.
I paid $100 for a my NES twenty years ago, and I saw one at a yardsale for $15. Nintendo sodomized me with a rusty pipe!
Post by: IceCold on March 23, 2006, 11:37:47 AM
QuoteI think he means that he can play that on the N64 and the minigames in New Super Mario Bros..
Originally posted by: KDR_11k
Super Mario 64 DS is pretty much useless now, what a waste of money.
Well, there IS a main game in there...
EDIT: I don't understand why wandering and Mario aren't even giving this a chance. It's a 2D Mario platformer, for God's sake - the first one in 10+ years at that. And, as Bill said, all the impressions have been extremely favourable.
Post by: Artimus on March 23, 2006, 12:28:59 PM
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Originally posted by: Robageejammin
Im so happy they gave it a graphical overhaul. The old screens were so bland and didn't make any sense in the Mario universe.
Now its Mario
Haha, that's great, I just noticed it.
And all the impressions say that unlike at E3 the 3D and 2D mix very well.
Post by: wandering on March 25, 2006, 11:46:25 PM
Quote
EDIT: I don't understand why wandering and Mario aren't even giving this a chance. It's a 2D Mario platformer, for God's sake - the first one in 10+ years at that. And, as Bill said, all the impressions have been extremely favourable.
Oh, I'll be buying it. And I agree the game's been looking better as of late. I'm just trying to not get my hopes up. Returns to classic series after 10+ year absences are almost always disasterous...
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Originally posted by: Infernal Monkey
I don't fancy the box art or the title...
The thing about the title is, it absolutley had to scream 'this is not the five-thousandth port of a 20 year old game'. I think it accomplishes that task rather well. And I don't mind the box art.
Post by: IceCold on March 26, 2006, 12:14:28 AM
QuoteSo are franchises that are turned from 2D sidescrollers to full-blown 3D while still trying to retain their familiarity, and at the same time become pioneers that exemplify brilliance.
Oh, I'll be buying it. And I agree the game's been looking better as of late. I'm just trying to not get my hopes up. Returns to classic series after 10+ year absences are almost always disasterous...
This is Nintendo we're talking about.
Post by: Darkheart on March 26, 2006, 02:33:45 PM
Post by: wandering on March 26, 2006, 06:28:37 PM
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This is Nintendo we're talking about.
The same Nintendo that made Yoshi's Story....
Post by: Hostile Creation on March 26, 2006, 10:03:14 PM
Post by: IceCold on March 26, 2006, 10:41:57 PM
And, by the way, Yoshi's Story was one of the first EAD titles that Miyamoto was not involved with as a director, producer, or designer. Which explains a lot. He is involved with New Super Mario Bros, on the other hand.
I wouldn't worry too much.
Post by: nitsu niflheim on March 27, 2006, 03:18:21 AM
Post by: mantidor on March 27, 2006, 03:38:10 AM
And no, shrinking mushrooms hardly count as "new crazy thing" just in case you were wondering.
Post by: KDR_11k on March 27, 2006, 04:53:28 AM
Post by: Hostile Creation on March 27, 2006, 05:16:03 AM
I think they focused more on pure platforming in this game, trying to make that new and fresh and innovative, rather than items.
I'm not sure, but it seems like that to me.
Post by: darknight06 on March 27, 2006, 11:19:15 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on March 27, 2006, 09:28:57 PM
Post by: wandering on March 28, 2006, 12:19:44 AM
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Yoshi's Story was a decent game. I enjoyed it, anyway.
*Hopes no one notices that I'm not defending my Yoshi Story statement, lest someone figure out I've never actually played the game.*
Post by: PaLaDiN on May 04, 2006, 10:49:01 AM
Post by: Ceric on May 04, 2006, 02:25:14 PM
Post by: PaLaDiN on May 04, 2006, 03:19:18 PM
If you are, I'll paint arrows around all the doorknobs in your path to show which way to turn them.
Post by: Stimutacs Addict on May 04, 2006, 03:55:35 PM
Post by: Ceric on May 05, 2006, 09:17:57 AM
Oh and I'm very excited about the return of Flower power. I also like to know what the back story is about Mario Kong. And wasn't Luigi with Mario in the earlier screens? Not that I'm complaining.
Post by: KDR_11k on May 05, 2006, 09:40:09 AM
Post by: PaLaDiN on May 05, 2006, 10:13:02 AM
If possible, I'd add a video screen to each door with really slow scrolling text and lots of random noises and bright colors to hold your attention where you have to press a button after every sentence and watch the whole thing to open each door.
"Hey! Ceric! Hey! PAY ATTENTION, this is important. (Press button to continue.)
How to turn this doorknob: (Press button to continue.)
Extend your arm by straightening your elbow. (Press button to continue.)
Fun fact: did you know this is only possible because of the muscles and tendons in your arm? (Press button to continue.)
If your hand is closed, open it by uncurling your fingers. (Press button to continue.)
Raise your arm in the direction of the door. (Press button to continue.)
Keep your arm raised. (Press button to continue.)
Maneuver arm and body if needed so that your palm touches the doorknob. (Press button to continue.)
Hint: The doorknob is a protrusion that can easily be used to open doors. Look for it at the right or left side of the door. (Press button to continue.)
Be strong! You're almost there, Ceric! (Press button to continue.)
Close your hand, curling your fingers around the doorknob. (Press button to continue.)
Turn your hand at the wrist (where your hand ends and joins the rest of your arm) in the direction of the Bright Green arrow. (Press button to continue.)
Keeping your hand at that angle, step forward. (Press button to continue.)
While stepping forward, push the door gently. (Press button to continue.)
Walk through the doorway. (Press button to continue.)
Proceed to "closing door" video on the other side of the door. (Press button to continue.)"
"Hey! Ceric! Hey! I'm on the other side of this door! (Press button to continue.)"
etc.
Of course, this raises the question of how he would press the button while using his arm. I would probably have to teach him how to use both arms at the same time first. Or maybe use voice recognition instead, so he just says "Okay!" to go on.
"You don't sound cheerful, Ceric. Is something wrong?"
I'm done.
Post by: Artimus on May 05, 2006, 02:41:29 PM
Post by: IceCold on May 05, 2006, 04:13:04 PM
Post by: Ceric on May 05, 2006, 07:29:12 PM
I am wondering how many worlds Matt's been through. I am assuming he means 10 straight levels.
Post by: PaLaDiN on May 06, 2006, 06:35:24 PM
Post by: Bartman3010 on May 06, 2006, 06:38:28 PM
Is there 2 player cooperative at all? Simeltaneous? Alternating?
Play as Luigi, a code? A switch?
Race mode, is it gone? Collect the stars the only 2 player mode?
Post by: Mario on May 06, 2006, 07:16:09 PM
We can only hope Nintendo's lack of effort here means Super Mario Wii is the game getting all the attention.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on May 06, 2006, 07:34:17 PM
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Originally posted by: Mario
9.5 is incredibly disappointing for a huge game like this. Sounds like a rental at best, too bad you can't rent DS games around here. PASS
We can only hope Nintendo's lack of effort here means Super Mario Wii is the game getting all the attention.
Dude, I HOPE you are being sarcastic...
Post by: Mario on May 06, 2006, 07:40:32 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on May 06, 2006, 07:46:50 PM
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Originally posted by: pap64Quote
Originally posted by: Mario
9.5 is incredibly disappointing for a huge game like this. Sounds like a rental at best, too bad you can't rent DS games around here. PASS
We can only hope Nintendo's lack of effort here means Super Mario Wii is the game getting all the attention.
Dude, I HOPE you are being sarcastic...
Nope, he's 100% serious...
(No...)
It's taking all of my willpower to avoid watching the latest gameplay clips over at IGN...Just over a week till platforming bliss!
Post by: IceCold on May 06, 2006, 07:50:48 PM
QuoteYou and me together - here's a nicotine patch..
It's taking all of my willpower to avoid watching the latest gameplay clips over at IGN...Just over a week till platforming bliss!
Post by: Infernal Monkey on May 06, 2006, 08:38:00 PM
=(
Post by: KDR_11k on May 06, 2006, 09:06:38 PM
Post by: mantidor on May 07, 2006, 08:26:08 AM
Post by: PaLaDiN on May 07, 2006, 08:44:27 AM
Post by: Caliban on May 07, 2006, 09:15:18 AM
So IGN gave it a 9.5? The game might be short but I bet it has alot of replayability.
Post by: mantidor on May 07, 2006, 09:50:00 AM
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Originally posted by: PaLaDiN
Don't you dare.
Im going to make three new threads and an unofficial editorial about it, you cant stop me.
:P
I just think its funny, its like Nintendo is admiting they have milked the Mario name to death and had to put "new" in the title so people take notice. Real Mario games arent that much as opposed to party and sports games, so I dont see the need to do it, but all is good as long as the game is awesome, and it seems it is. Id really like something crazy like the FLUDD again, but it doesnt seem this is the case, is a very "traditional" mario for lack of a better word. Im fine with the length also, portable games when too long cant be enjoyed in quick 10 minutes sessions which is how they are supposed to be played given you play them in lines or lunch break.
Post by: Artimus on May 07, 2006, 09:53:01 AM
Post by: Caliban on May 07, 2006, 09:55:45 AM
Post by: mantidor on May 07, 2006, 03:57:47 PM
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Originally posted by: Artimus
The IGN review is glowing. It doesn't say its short, it says its short if you just rush through. It says if you play it all ots really deep.
Exactly, thats the sign of a great portable game, it should be deep but not extensive because the medium doesnt lend itself well for extended usage. Reason I love my GBA Metroid games, the replayability is huge for both, specially zero mission with the different difficulties, my first run in the game was only around 4-5 hours, a lot less than Metoid Prime, but I've replayed it trying to find every item and doing speed runs and the total time spent has increased a lot.
Post by: Requiem on May 07, 2006, 08:30:50 PM
"Absolutely brilliant platforming action that takes what Nintendo's built an empire on, and adding so much more to it. It's not a tremendous challenge, but the game is fun as hell from start to end."
Don't worry........be happy......
Post by: Ian Sane on May 08, 2006, 07:48:00 AM
Doesn't matter thought because it still sounds awesome and just being on par with Mario's past 2D efforts is a big deal. I'm getting this day one.
Post by: Requiem on May 08, 2006, 09:16:54 AM
Ian....sometimes you scare me.
Why can't it be better? Does imagination deteriote with time or something?
Anyway, if you knew anything about the game, you would see exactly why it has the ability of being better then the greatest games of all time.
Post by: Artimus on May 08, 2006, 09:18:22 AM
Also, be prepared for this to get alot of 90s and 4.5/5. There is a natural handheld bias in a lot of review systems that use averages. They tend not to give handheld games perfect scores for sound and graphics, so the weighted rank is often unfairly low. I expect the GameSpot review to be in the 8.0s because of this. It's also why the truly great handheld games don't have high 90s scores on Gamerankings. There's a reason no portable game has over an 93% on there, sadly. So don't expect a ton of 100 reviews, deserving or not.
Post by: Ian Sane on May 08, 2006, 09:45:53 AM
I could be I guess. I'd rather assume it won't be and then be surprised if it is. I've just found from experience that since 2D gaming was regulated to portables it just hasn't been as a good as it was in the heydey of 2D gaming. Many times I hear high praise for a portable game and then when I get it I discover it is merely competent, which in a largely 3D era makes a title look like a bigger deal than it really is. Some GBA games that get a lot of praise wouldn't be considered anything noteworthy had they been released ten years earlier. It's logical really since companies typically focus more on console projects so their 2D games don't get the level of care they used to.
New Super Mario Bros still sounds awesome though.
Post by: jasonditz on May 08, 2006, 08:00:08 PM
As surprisingly well done as a game like Super Princess Peach was... it's almost unthinkable that Nintendo would biff it on a mainline Mario 2D title.
Post by: jasonditz on May 16, 2006, 06:20:31 PM
Post by: Hostile Creation on May 16, 2006, 06:34:09 PM
Not that there's anything wrong with that. It's just hard to beat nostalgia.
Post by: IceCold on May 16, 2006, 07:45:39 PM
Post by: Stimutacs Addict on May 16, 2006, 08:27:27 PM
I got this game today; im only on world two and am having a freakin blast, but
I miss yoshi and the cape. There just arent as many powers as I had hoped for, and where the hell is the turn around jump?[/hr]
Post by: Bill Aurion on May 16, 2006, 09:59:20 PM
Post by: TrueNerd on May 16, 2006, 11:23:41 PM
Post by: PaLaDiN on May 17, 2006, 12:06:35 AM
Post by: Rhoq on May 17, 2006, 04:23:17 AM
Anyways - since Circuit City had advertised having the game at 5 PM Tuesday and for only $27.99, I decided to head over there after work. I got there around 6:15 PM and there were about 5 people that had the Video Game clerk surrounded asking for this game. She said something to them and they all backed away. I approached her and she told me that's what all of the other people were there for, and that one of her co-workers went to go look for the box as it was apparently missing.
I then strolled over to the DS game shelf and low and behold, sitting on the shelf, was one lone copy of the game.
I completed the first world on my way to work this morning. Hopefully, I have have the 2nd world completed by the time I get home.
Oh and in case anyone had any doubts...YOU NEED TO BUY THIS GAME!!!
Post by: UncleBob on May 17, 2006, 04:44:13 AM
Post by: nitsu niflheim on May 17, 2006, 07:15:20 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on May 17, 2006, 08:52:05 AM
Post by: nitsu niflheim on May 17, 2006, 08:58:05 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on May 17, 2006, 08:59:52 AM
Post by: PaLaDiN on May 17, 2006, 09:09:53 AM
You've been spoiled by easy games. I think I was four or so when I played SMB3, and I don't remember that game having any saves.
Post by: Spak-Spang on May 17, 2006, 09:14:41 AM
The game is very fun, and really does add some interesting elements to the Mario experience. I could have done without the Mega Mushroom and Shell Mario, but the Mini Mario powerup is brilliant and fun.
Post by: nitsu niflheim on May 17, 2006, 09:15:02 AM
Post by: PaLaDiN on May 17, 2006, 09:22:35 AM
Post by: Spak-Spang on May 17, 2006, 09:24:55 AM
That is lame...in my opinion.
Post by: PaLaDiN on May 17, 2006, 09:31:53 AM
Post by: nitsu niflheim on May 17, 2006, 09:46:37 AM
Having the ability to have a temp save between levels, A save that is deleted when you start playing again, does not lessen the game or bastardize it, because it doesn't not make the game easier, because the save is TEMPORARY. It means that when you play again if you die or whatever you play again from your last perm save like after you have finished a castle.
I really don't have a problem with the save system itself, just that there isn't an easy save option if you are on a tight schedule.
Post by: Spak-Spang on May 17, 2006, 11:46:49 AM
I have no problem with the amounts of saves in this game. The game gives you two places to save regular...and if you want to buy saves you can use the coins you collect to save at Mushroom Houses. This to me is a temp save...because you can only use it once...and it should be used wisely.
I do think there may be a problem with fewer saves when the game gets harder...however, you should have so many extra men by that time, that it won't matter.
As for thinking saves ruin the Mario experience. No they don't. They may make the game easier to completely, but the experience is had by actually playing the game, and beating the levels. Saves outside of levels do not make the individual stages easier. You still must defeat each level with whatever powerups you have obtained, and one reserve powerup.
It is a very limited system...that brings much challenge per stage. If Nintendo had decided to make more saves this Mario game would still be as fun and entertaining as it is now.
Post by: jasonditz on May 17, 2006, 02:07:11 PM
Post by: jasonditz on May 17, 2006, 02:26:19 PM
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Originally posted by: Rhoq
I got a call from GameStop on Monday night. It was one of those automated calls to remind you that a game you had pre-ordered will be arriving at the store the next day. The odd thing is, I didn't pre-order New Super Mario Bros..
Anyways - since Circuit City had advertised having the game at 5 PM Tuesday and for only $27.99, I decided to head over there after work. I got there around 6:15 PM and there were about 5 people that had the Video Game clerk surrounded asking for this game. She said something to them and they all backed away. I approached her and she told me that's what all of the other people were there for, and that one of her co-workers went to go look for the box as it was apparently missing.
I then strolled over to the DS game shelf and low and behold, sitting on the shelf, was one lone copy of the game.
I completed the first world on my way to work this morning. Hopefully, I have have the 2nd world completed by the time I get home.
Oh and in case anyone had any doubts...YOU NEED TO BUY THIS GAME!!!
I went to my CC at 4:55 and they already had them out (and several were sold). They had them in a really cool little free standing display with game art on it. I'd love to get one of those things.
Post by: Jensen on May 17, 2006, 04:21:28 PM
I don't see see saving anywhere making the game any harder. I die several times in each level, yet I always have tons of lives. 13 right now.
Post by: TrueNerd on May 17, 2006, 10:07:58 PM
QuoteCircuit City sucks. Everytime I walk in there trying to find something I always think "Why the hell didn't I go to Best Buy?" I can NEVER find what I'm looking for there.
Originally posted by: Rhoq
I got a call from GameStop on Monday night. It was one of those automated calls to remind you that a game you had pre-ordered will be arriving at the store the next day. The odd thing is, I didn't pre-order New Super Mario Bros..
Anyways - since Circuit City had advertised having the game at 5 PM Tuesday and for only $27.99, I decided to head over there after work. I got there around 6:15 PM and there were about 5 people that had the Video Game clerk surrounded asking for this game. She said something to them and they all backed away. I approached her and she told me that's what all of the other people were there for, and that one of her co-workers went to go look for the box as it was apparently missing.
I then strolled over to the DS game shelf and low and behold, sitting on the shelf, was one lone copy of the game.
I completed the first world on my way to work this morning. Hopefully, I have have the 2nd world completed by the time I get home.
Oh and in case anyone had any doubts...YOU NEED TO BUY THIS GAME!!!
Anyways, the lack of saves isn't a problem for me as I can't NOT play this game for less then an hour when I pick it up.
Post by: KDR_11k on May 18, 2006, 03:41:49 AM
Temp saves aren't really temp, because you can always start another Temp save.
WTF? What the hell are you trying to say? Sure you can make another temp save but that won't help you because you have to load (and therefore delete) it before you can continue playing.
Post by: Spak-Spang on May 18, 2006, 05:51:00 AM
Post by: nitsu niflheim on May 18, 2006, 06:06:10 AM
Post by: BranDonk Kong on May 18, 2006, 06:31:50 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on May 18, 2006, 08:01:05 AM
This game is amazing. First this is the first game I've rushed to get on day one since Pikmin 2 (Metroid Prime 2 was a Christmas gift). After over a year of nothing it was nice to be able to have a game come out that made me want to do that again. Second they've got the 2D platformer feel perfect. I haven't played a game that felt like this since Donkey Kong Country 3. Often I find that when an old style game is resurrected it doesn't feel right. That over time developers have forgotten how to make them. But this feels like a game from ten years ago would play like, all while not being a total rehash. The game has some difficulty to it too. I think I've died on every level so far. But it's a fair difficulty like the Mario games of the past used to have.
My only complaint is that the "reserve" item requires you to touch the screen to use it which is kind of stupid since the rest of the game doesn't use the touchscreen. It really seems unnecessary and tacked on. Other than that my only other complaint is that I have to play this game hunched over a tiny screen. This is a game I want to play on a big TV with all my friends watching me.
Post by: jasonditz on May 18, 2006, 08:07:52 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on May 18, 2006, 08:42:19 AM
Perfect game, everything about it...The levels, the atmosphere, the bosses...It's just pure Mario!
Post by: nitsu niflheim on May 18, 2006, 08:58:07 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on May 18, 2006, 09:09:11 AM
I assume that you can beat the game without accessing all the different paths.
Post by: Kairon on May 18, 2006, 09:17:19 AM
I...I fell so... underaccomplished! /cry
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: KDR_11k on May 18, 2006, 09:23:51 AM
Post by: nitsu niflheim on May 18, 2006, 09:33:45 AM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
"oh hush, Bill. After you beat the game, some people don't play through again."
I assume that you can beat the game without accessing all the different paths.
from what I understand, yep.
Post by: Bill Aurion on May 18, 2006, 10:10:07 AM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
I assume that you can beat the game without accessing all the different paths.
Correct...Not only have I not touched all the levels in the worlds I've been to, but I also haven't touched two whole worlds...In fact, I've found that you only need to access three worlds in order to beat the game...
Post by: Hostile Creation on May 18, 2006, 12:36:12 PM
Or you could, y'know, just close the DS. That conserves energy well enough to preserve your game until you have a chance to play more and save it.
Unless your battery is running really low, in which case, shame on Nintendo for no save-anytimes and shame on you for not charging it properly.
Post by: Artimus on May 18, 2006, 01:20:07 PM
Post by: IceCold on May 18, 2006, 02:02:21 PM
Post by: TMW on May 18, 2006, 04:32:29 PM
NSMB is winning out, though.
I still have a while to get the other trophies.
Post by: Jensen on May 18, 2006, 05:27:06 PM
QuoteI think the name fits. It borrows things from every Mario platformer, but most heavily from the NES games, so a World title wouldn't fit. It borrows the level ending from SMB, so it's too much of a nostalgia game to be called SMB4.
Originally posted by: Artimus
Hmmm...anyone else still a little annoyed at the name?
Post by: Khushrenada on May 18, 2006, 06:50:12 PM
(I realize this is a bit off-topic.)
Post by: TMW on May 18, 2006, 10:15:37 PM
At least, I'm pretty sure I have all the others, as the "lottery" stopped working for me...i.e. no matter how many coins I put in, the chance of a new trophy remains at 0.00%.
Post by: UncleBob on May 19, 2006, 05:00:46 AM
I can't seem to find the first star coin in world 6-2. Damnit.
Post by: jasonditz on May 19, 2006, 08:12:29 AM
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Originally posted by: Artimus
Hmmm...anyone else still a little annoyed at the name?
Only when I wonder what happens when they make a sequel. Do they call it "Newer Super Mario Bros."?
New Super Mario Bros. 2 almost makes it sound like it'd be a sequel to Super Mario USA... not that that would necessarily be a bad thing.
Post by: jasonditz on May 19, 2006, 08:16:19 AM
Post by: Arbok on May 19, 2006, 08:42:55 AM
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Originally posted by: TMW
I just need to beat All Star Mode with the characters I never touch. I have all the others.
At least, I'm pretty sure I have all the others, as the "lottery" stopped working for me...i.e. no matter how many coins I put in, the chance of a new trophy remains at 0.00%.
Did you get the trophy for snagging all of the bonus point criterias? For example, going through Classic/Adventure/All Star mode without getting hit once (I seriously gave up on that one, got to the last match in All Star mode without getting hit before a wrench hit me and I nearly split the controller in two).
Post by: Bill Aurion on May 19, 2006, 08:43:43 AM
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Originally posted by: UncleBob
I'm getting really cheesed off of NSMB.
I can't seem to find the first star coin in world 6-2. Damnit.
Have you searched the second screen fully?
Post by: Spak-Spang on May 19, 2006, 09:04:50 AM
I do think some of the extra moves they have used really weren't neccessary (At least not yet.) For instance, double jumping and triple jumping aren't neccessary yet.
The Shell Mario is a terrific powerup that really pushes your skills to the max. I see this powerup being used by expert gamers to complete speedruns and such.
Post by: vudu on May 19, 2006, 09:13:08 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on May 19, 2006, 09:18:00 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on May 19, 2006, 09:39:09 AM
I did the same thing. Mario seems a little slippery. He doesn't stop on a dime. It's not a problem per say, I'm just not used to it. It actually feels a lot like the first SMB.
One thing I've noticed is that, even after years of experience, I still move the controller around a lot when I'm playing a platformer. The problem is I can't really do that when the screen is attached to the controller. So I find it hard to force myself to hold the DS still.
Post by: Hostile Creation on May 19, 2006, 11:13:53 AM
So far, absolutely awesome. The controls seemed to loose at first, but now I'm perfectly used to them and doing fine. The platforming is awesome, and I love the new elements. Next sentence is a minor spoiler: Especially like the castle where you just move up vertically on that platform while avoiding spike balls.
Ian, I also move while playing platformers. I noticed today, I was playing while my cat was sitting on my lap, and I kept bothering it because my leg bounced a little every time I jumped, trying to get a little higher
More impressions later, but halfway-ish through the game, I like it a lot.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 20, 2006, 09:47:22 AM
Actually I will have to wait even longer than that cause I doubt they will release it in black until july or august. What really sux is that the game looked extremely fun and fast paced in the commercial and I want to go buy it and play it NOW, but I will not buy a DSL till it is released in black.
Post by: couchmonkey on May 20, 2006, 12:01:57 PM
The controls did take a little practice at first, but I'm used to them now. I think it is more like the original. In fact, the designer said the game was intended to be a tribute to the original, not necessarily the "true" sequel to the Super Mario Bros/Super Mario World games.
I love it! The thing that separates this from Super Princess Peach (which was also very good, but not nearly as good as this) is that they have a new surprise in practically every level...the level designs are great. SPP had good level design, but it felt very samey after a while. The game is also harder, but that's...whatever.
I don't know why I'm comparing it to Super Princess Peach, since many here probably never even played that, I guess it's just that they're both in the Mario universe and SPP is the last platformer I played.
Post by: Luigi Dude on May 20, 2006, 04:00:37 PM
I'm only on World 5 right now but the level design so far is just amazing. Each level manages to have it's own unique feel to it. Plus the game has a great difficulty to it that requires good skills to get past certion parts and discover the secrets in the levels.
Post by: Bill Aurion on May 20, 2006, 05:55:22 PM
Post by: KnowsNothing on May 20, 2006, 06:18:04 PM
Post by: IceCold on May 20, 2006, 07:25:01 PM
Post by: Hostile Creation on May 21, 2006, 11:41:54 AM
I suspect I'll have all of that within a week or two, though. I'm about to take a six hour car trip, so that'll help
Post by: Artimus on May 21, 2006, 03:13:31 PM
Post by: Pale on May 21, 2006, 04:15:59 PM
I have to say, it was a lot of fun, but it wasn't goddamn awesome like I had hoped. Instead of a cape we get a blue suicide shell? I dunno. It was also really easy for me, much easier than I remember the old games being on the first run through. Maybe I'm just older and more coordinated now.
For me... 7.5-8.0 range.... If I get some time this week I may submit a seperate review to the higher ups and see if they want to run it.... (assuming I actually completely finish it first, as my opinion may change)
Post by: KnowsNothing on May 21, 2006, 04:26:16 PM
Nothing has come close to matching Super Mario World though, and I don't think anything ever will. Only SMW and Link's Awakening earn perfect 10's in my book, they're the only two games which I consider absolutely perfect.
Post by: Bill Aurion on May 21, 2006, 08:13:11 PM
Post by: Spak-Spang on May 22, 2006, 06:27:31 AM
By the way, Some of those Coins are just mean to collect. Why Nintendo, why are you so evil!!!
Oh, and I believe several other games deserve perfect 10s.
Super Mario World
Link to The Past
Super Mario World 2 Yoshi's Island
F-Zero 64
Zelda OoT
Games that deserve 9s are much too numerous, but pretty much most of Nintendo's back catalog.
Post by: UncleBob on May 22, 2006, 06:48:11 AM
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Originally posted by: Spak-SpangOh, and I believe several other games deserve perfect 10s.
Super Mario World
Link to The Past
Super Mario World 2 Yoshi's Island
F-Zero 64
Zelda OoT
You forgot Pokémon Channel.
Post by: Bill Aurion on May 22, 2006, 06:49:42 AM
(Spak-Spang, you have been PM'd)
Post by: Spak-Spang on May 22, 2006, 08:22:28 AM
I like Link' Awakening, It was incredibly Impressive that they were able to get the game on the Gameboy system...but it isn't the best Zelda game created.
That will forever be Link to the Past.
A perfect game really needs to call you back to play it over, and over again. The games I listed really do that.
I guess I would also put Super Mario 64 in that mix as well. I can't believe I forgot that one.
Post by: Stimutacs Addict on May 22, 2006, 08:32:12 AM
seriously, it's like he knows your next move!
Post by: Arbok on May 22, 2006, 10:26:00 AM
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Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
Oh, and I believe several other games deserve perfect 10s.
Super Mario World
Link to The Past
Super Mario World 2 Yoshi's Island
F-Zero 64
Zelda OoT
A pox on your family for not including Smash Bros Melee!
Post by: Spak-Spang on May 22, 2006, 11:32:59 AM
Smash Brothers the original felt like a more perfect game than Melee...or at least it was more fun to me.
Post by: Arbok on May 22, 2006, 11:47:52 AM
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Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
Arbok: Melee isn't perfect. The characters are not all perfectly balanced, and there is just too much going on in the game to be fun all the time. My friends won't even play Melee anymore because they just can't get into like they did the first game.
Smash Brothers the original felt like a more perfect game than Melee...or at least it was more fun to me.
So wait, all of the characters in F-Zero 64 are perfectly balanced?
The first Smash Bros was more unbalanced then Melee ever was, with the manner of the old grabs being so powerful that in turn made Fox and Captain Falcon more top tier than any character in Melee could hope to achieve. The fact that both characters were nerfed and are still two of the best shows how uneven they were in the N64 one.
Also, if your complaint is that there is "too much going on", why don't you just play in the same manner I often do: Final Destination, no items. Very straight forward fight, or you can spice it up with more options if you desire. The skys are the limit in Melee in terms of how you want to play, while the Single Player gives it some nice added value at the start. For me, there is no other game that I will revisit at least once a year for almost a month more of play then SSB:M.
Post by: Spak-Spang on May 22, 2006, 12:10:02 PM
I regard Melee as a very, very high 9, but not a perfect 10. I wouldn't rate Smash Brothers a perfect 10 either. I am just saying, I enjoyed playing the original more than than Melee.
Post by: Nick DiMola on May 22, 2006, 12:32:17 PM
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Originally posted by: Arbok
Also, if your complaint is that there is "too much going on", why don't you just play in the same manner I often do: Final Destination, no items. Very straight forward fight, or you can spice it up with more options if you desire. The skys are the limit in Melee in terms of how you want to play, while the Single Player gives it some nice added value at the start. For me, there is no other game that I will revisit at least once a year for almost a month more of play then SSB:M.
Amen to that setup brother. Final Destination no items is the only way to play.
Post by: Bill Aurion on May 22, 2006, 12:37:46 PM
(Gah, this went completely off-topic...EVERYONE BACK ON MARIO!)
Post by: Caliban on May 22, 2006, 12:56:07 PM
Post by: Athrun Zala on May 22, 2006, 01:40:29 PM
Post by: Artimus on May 22, 2006, 02:41:47 PM
Luigi is playable! Hold L and R while opening a saved game and voila! It's possible you might have to beat the game first for this to work. But STILL!
Post by: Pale on May 22, 2006, 03:59:59 PM
Post by: IceCold on May 22, 2006, 04:01:42 PM
Post by: Spak-Spang on May 22, 2006, 07:25:46 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
If I wanted to play "no items" then I would play a real fighting game...But I hate normal fighting games, so that'd be pointless...
(Gah, this went completely off-topic...EVERYONE BACK ON MARIO!)
Ok. You have perfectly explained what I wanted to say.
I love Smash Brothers, and to take the items and level design out of the game, takes the enjoyment (for me) out of the game. But that doesn't mean that Melee didn't go too far. The super large levels with so much animation going on, zooming in/out, explosions, items flying all over the place. Its very hard in Melee to keep an eye on your character.
Its fun chaos in single player mode, and when you have friends that will play and enjoy it with you. But it was too chaotic for my friends, and I had to agree with them in many regards. In the original game skill was still a major factor in 4-player matches...it appears to be less a factor in Melee.
The original just felt better.
But that doesn't mean I want to play an ordinary fighting game. Far from it. I love Melee's concept, design, and characters. So I am hoping Brawl brings the game closer to the original with the added features that made Melee great as well.
Post by: Arbok on May 22, 2006, 07:40:16 PM
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Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
Its fun chaos in single player mode, and when you have friends that will play and enjoy it with you. But it was too chaotic for my friends, and I had to agree with them in many regards. In the original game skill was still a major factor in 4-player matches...it appears to be less a factor in Melee.
I don't understand what the problem is. So what is keeping you from selecting the "classic" and smaller stages, and fixing the item selection so it's the same as SSB if you felt Melee somehow messed up in this regard? I personally don't like the Ice Climber level much, so I don't play it. If the larger levels are a problem for you (personally, I love them, though) then why not just avoid them? From what I'm hearing, most of your complaints are stuff that is togglable in SSB:M anyway, so I'm not seeing how the N64 one could be seen as better. Of course it's your opinion, but most complaints over Melee seem to be stuff like the way grabbing was changed (aka nerfed) or that they added an extra attack for everyone adds more of a learning curve (although you seem to complain that this one requires less skill...); stuff that you can't remove in the GCN version in a menu.
Post by: RiskyChris on May 23, 2006, 01:18:54 AM
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Originally posted by: ArbokQuote
Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
Its fun chaos in single player mode, and when you have friends that will play and enjoy it with you. But it was too chaotic for my friends, and I had to agree with them in many regards. In the original game skill was still a major factor in 4-player matches...it appears to be less a factor in Melee.
I don't understand what the problem is. So what is keeping you from selecting the "classic" and smaller stages, and fixing the item selection so it's the same as SSB if you felt Melee somehow messed up in this regard? I personally don't like the Ice Climber level much, so I don't play it. If the larger levels are a problem for you (personally, I love them, though) then why not just avoid them? From what I'm hearing, most of your complaints are stuff that is togglable in SSB:M anyway, so I'm not seeing how the N64 one could be seen as better. Of course it's your opinion, but most complaints over Melee seem to be stuff like the way grabbing was changed (aka nerfed) or that they added an extra attack for everyone adds more of a learning curve (although you seem to complain that this one requires less skill...); stuff that you can't remove in the GCN version in a menu.
The gameplay was slowed from SSB64 considerably, and throws were nerfed into oblivion. Z trigger shield (64) >> L analog trigger shield (GC).
P.S. I have 6 worlds worth of coins in NSMB. Rock out.
Post by: Spak-Spang on May 23, 2006, 08:16:44 AM
Don't diss the green, because one day it will rule the Mushroom Kingdom.
Post by: Caterkiller on May 23, 2006, 09:24:03 AM
Post by: Nick DiMola on May 23, 2006, 04:40:49 PM
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Originally posted by: Caterkiller
I am so hyped for this game, and im not getting it until I get my DS Lite. My DS got swipped at work(by the cleaning lady no doubt) and even though there are 2 more DS in my home I refuse to touch them. Come on June 11th...
My God the willpower! I can guarantee you one thing, you won't be anywhere near disappointed. I am just about done with the game and it makes me sad. I loved it soooooo much. I think it would be great if beating the game unlocked the original smb with the new items, graphics and moves. Anyway the 11th will be a great day for you, DSLite and New SMB
Post by: Garnee on May 23, 2006, 05:20:24 PM
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Post by: Hostile Creation on May 23, 2006, 08:50:07 PM
Those including every Zelda game except Oracle of Seasons and Zelda II.
It didn't feel like Zelda. It was just hack and slash bullsh!t; the puzzles were few, and simple. I liked the game, but it's not what I expect of a Zelda game.
Had to get that off my chest.
As for NSMB, collecting all the coins now. Have most of them. Challenging and fun.
With the exception of the special tube area in SMW, I'd say this is on par, difficulty-wise. Maybe I just didn't have that much trouble with the old games.
One thing, it is easier to get extra lives. But that's more convenient than anything, because I don't have to go through the Game Over, restart everything crap when I die. That's pointless, if I'm just going to start it back up again anyway.
Post by: Arbok on May 23, 2006, 08:53:47 PM
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Originally posted by: Hostile Creation
First off, A Link to the Past is not nearly the greatest Zelda game (Link's Awakening is). In fact, it's probably the Zelda game I liked least of all the ones I've played.
Those including every Zelda game except Oracle of Seasons and Zelda II.
It didn't feel like Zelda.
And Awakening's Mario inspired platform segments did?
A Link to the Past will always remain my favorite Zelda game in the series with Ocarnia of Time as a close second... also what is up with this topic getting derailed so often?
Post by: IceCold on May 23, 2006, 09:13:20 PM
QuoteCD-i ones? Oracle of Ages? Minish Cap? Four Swords?
Those including every Zelda game except Oracle of Seasons and Zelda II.
Post by: Nick DiMola on May 24, 2006, 02:17:01 AM
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Originally posted by: Arbok
A Link to the Past will always remain my favorite Zelda game in the series with Ocarnia of Time as a close second
I second that motion.
I would also like to add that the New SMB is NOWHERE near the difficulty of SMB3. I would say it is on par with SMW which IMO was not a very challenging game(1 of my favorite games but a much different type of challenge compared to the NES ones). SMB3 without skipping levels is brutal and with the New SMB I never got that feeling of pure hatred for the game for its ridiculous difficulty(probably a good thing). Oh yeah and SMB2(Japan) also beats the New SMB for difficulty easily.
The only reason I can come up with for it being easier is the simple fact that it relies alot less on pure skill and timing. Most levels play out like puzzles(to get the coins) where as old SMB games were focused on making jumps perfect, memorizing levels to avoid hitting stray goombas and general skill based stunts (with no wall jump to save your ass). Not that I am saying the New SMB was a bad game(as a matter of fact I freaking love this game), it just wasn't a very hard one IMHO.
Post by: UncleBob on May 24, 2006, 05:50:38 AM
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Originally posted by: Arbok
And Awakening's Mario inspired platform segments did?
Why can't Link's Awakening's platforming elements be inspired by the platforming elements from the original Legend of Zelda? (aside from the Goombas and Plants, of course)...
I like seeing LA getting all the love it does on these forums. It's good to know that there are others who recognize the fact that it's the best damn game ever created. Like, if aliens came down and wanted to sample our culture, I'd totally make them play this game.
Post by: couchmonkey on May 24, 2006, 07:33:50 AM
I hear complaints about not flying, and I understand where those are coming from, but I disagree. I believe this game makes up for the lost depth of flight with so many other things. Tons of amazing platforms, good use of wall-jumping, great enemy layout and movement, and just lots of brilliantly-designed action. I'd like to see more regular saves and harder bosses, but the game is still a 9.5, if not a 10, in my book.
Edit: Noted that Japanese SMB2 is a hard mutha.
Post by: Athrun Zala on May 24, 2006, 08:00:09 AM
Quotethe Special World Levels give me headaches ¬¬
Originally posted by: Mr. Jack
I would say it is on par with SMW which IMO was not a very challenging game
Post by: Nick DiMola on May 24, 2006, 08:41:59 AM
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Originally posted by: couchmonkey
I hear complaints about not flying, and I understand where those are coming from, but I disagree. I believe this game makes up for the lost depth of flight with so many other things. Tons of amazing platforms, good use of wall-jumping, great enemy layout and movement, and just lots of brilliantly-designed action.
I'm really hoping Nintendo keeps this engine and starts making sequels to this game with more throwbacks such as flight. I would greatly enjoy a new series of classic SMB action. The general response to the game seems to be extremely positive. Hopefully Nintendo gets the fact that people love their old school SMB and want to see more of it. I guess either way we have Super Paper Mario to look forward to for some more sidescrolling action.
Post by: Hostile Creation on May 24, 2006, 09:56:35 AM
The CD-i ones don't count, and I've played the other three.
Also, Link's Awakening does have short platforming segments here and there, but it's also the first Zelda with really complex and interesting puzzles, an great backstory and setting, characters that you can give a sh!t about, and notable sidequests (a must for Zelda games, which aLttP may as well have lacked entirely), along with all the elements that made the original Zelda and aLttP great (namely, combat).
Again, this doesn't really belong here. Does anyone want to start a Zelda debate thread somewhere?
Post by: Kairon on May 24, 2006, 10:27:08 AM
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Post by: IceCold on May 24, 2006, 02:45:47 PM
QuoteHave or haven't played the other three? Because I would find it strange that you say Ages is better but not Seasons.
The CD-i ones don't count, and I've played the other three.
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Post by: couchmonkey on May 25, 2006, 07:00:10 AM
I've just reached the final castle, and instead of wanting to slow down and savour it, I just want to plow through so I can start searching out the hidden levels I missed. That's a good sign.
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Post by: vudu on May 25, 2006, 09:22:41 AM
QuoteUm, hello?
Originally posted by: Ian Sane
One thing I would want to see in a sequel to New Super Mario Bros is a totally new Mario game. New Super Mario Bros has a lot of elements from the original Super Mario Bros. It's kind of a throwback to that game. It's still a fantastic game and easily on par with the other 2D Mario titles but it relies a lot on nostalgia. It would be nice if for a sequel Nintendo really thought out of the box and didn't have so many of the old ideas. More new enemies, more new powerups and maybe remove certain elements like the fire flower or Koopas just to really change things up. They did something really different with Yoshi's Island for example and it resulted in one of the best 2D sidescrollers ever made.
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Post by: Kairon on May 25, 2006, 09:57:17 AM
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Post by: vudu on May 25, 2006, 09:58:23 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on May 25, 2006, 10:11:24 AM
Fair enough. But that wasn't what I was talking about. Super Mario Galaxy does look awesome though.
Post by: Kairon on May 25, 2006, 10:12:32 AM
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Originally posted by: vudu
Super Mario Galaxy is a sequal to Super Mario Sunshine, which is a sequal to Super Mario 64, which is a sequal to Super Mario World, which is a sequal to Super Mario Bros 3, which is a sequal to Super Mario Bros 2, which is a sequal to the original Super Mario Bros. If New Super Mario Bros is also a sequal then the original Super Mario Bros then Super Mario Galaxy is a sequal to New Super Mario Bros.
MY HEAD ASSPLODE.
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Post by: Ian Sane on May 25, 2006, 10:14:38 AM
If you want to make it worse consider that Yoshi's Island is a sequel to Super Mario World and that Yoshi's Story is a sequel to Yoshi's Island and so is Yoshi's Island 2.
Maybe we should just regard 2D Mario and 3D Mario as seperate series.
Post by: couchmonkey on May 25, 2006, 01:18:17 PM
Of course, it's possible that Super Paper Mario is thinking out of the box too, and it's a 2.5D game.
Post by: IceCold on May 25, 2006, 02:26:11 PM
QuoteAnd don't forget about the Mario Land / Wario games..
If you want to make it worse consider that Yoshi's Island is a sequel to Super Mario World and that Yoshi's Story is a sequel to Yoshi's Island and so is Yoshi's Island 2.
Post by: Garnee on May 26, 2006, 07:06:38 PM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 26, 2006, 07:09:45 PM
480,000 first day sales = #1 selling 'release day' DS game yet & #1 best selling 1st week Mario game to date.
Post by: IceCold on May 26, 2006, 07:12:44 PM
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Post by: wandering on June 05, 2006, 11:29:34 PM
Anyway. Now I'm combing the game for it's precious secrets. (I've found several alternate exists - and they've all been shortcuts. Ugg, I've beaten the game already, thanks.)
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
One thing I would want to see in a sequel to New Super Mario Bros is a totally new Mario game.
Oh, this thing definitely needs a sequel. It introduces a bunch of interesting ideas, and then never really explores them that much. It dabbles with screen-spanning huge polygonal stuff (see: mega mario, and, um...that one eel, I guess), but never really goes anywhere with it. Wall-jumping isn't required to progress until you hit the last 2 worlds. Etc.
Post by: Mario on June 06, 2006, 12:00:24 AM
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Maybe we should just regard 2D Mario and 3D Mario as seperate series.
Maybe we should just regard each Mario game as a seperate game.
Also, DKJB is this gens Yoshis Island. There's also Super Princess Peach.
Post by: Artimus on June 06, 2006, 08:08:45 AM
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