Post by: Jonnyboy117 on February 21, 2006, 03:02:42 AM
Two New Titles Announced For Nintendo DS
It's been more than 20 years since Nintendo's highly acclaimed franchise, Super Mario Bros.(R), first hit store shelves. On May 7, eager fans from Mario's classic days must wait no longer to see the brothers return in an all-new platformer with the launch of New Super Mario Bros. for Nintendo DS.
On the heels of Valentine's Day romance is in the air, even in the Mushroom Kingdom. But Princess Peach wasn't able to celebrate with her special someone, seeing that she's been taken prisoner by Bowser and Bowser Jr. Only the Mario Bros. can rescue the princess from her evil captors as they battle familiar enemies like Goombas and Koopas along with new foes and big bosses.
New Super Mario Bros. is loaded with features and characters that could only exist in the Mushroom Kingdom, including all-new power-ups like the Blue Shell, in which Mario can ride, and a massive Mushroom that makes him ultra-huge. The title features stunning 3-D models moving through lavish, cleverly designed 2-D worlds, culminating in a final showdown for the freedom of Princess Peach.
Then, on June 5, another title launches for Nintendo DS. In Magnetica(TM), marbles roll down a twisted path toward the goal and it's up to players to stop them by launching new marbles into the oncoming ones. The marbles will disappear if players match three or more in this massive marble elimination. All actions are controlled with the stylus in this title that satisfies even the strongest puzzle addiction.
Post by: JonLeung on February 21, 2006, 03:54:54 AM
Now, Magnetica sounds like...what's that game called? Zuma? With the coloured marbles and the matching up of three? I suppose some puzzle games might benefit from the quicker action of the stylus. If only there wasn't that hinge that puts a big break between the screens...unless it's like Tetris.
Between Tetris DS and New Super Mario Bros., I'm getting this oldschool feeling. Neo-nostalgia, if you will.
Post by: couchmonkey on February 21, 2006, 04:08:17 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on February 21, 2006, 04:34:17 AM
Post by: matt oz on February 21, 2006, 04:39:03 AM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
Nintendo really sucks for putting the game out right at E3...How am I supposed to check out all the coverage!?
Have the E3 coverage beamed into your brain while you're asleep. That's what I did last year...
Post by: Bloodworth on February 21, 2006, 06:16:09 AM
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Now, Magnetica sounds like...what's that game called? Zuma? With the coloured marbles and the matching up of three?
I'm really sad that Zuma's taken all the fame here, because I think there's a chance that Zuma was just a knock-off of this game. I did some digging and Magnetica/Puzzloop first came out in 1998 and Zuma wasn't released until a couple years later.
Post by: Artimus on February 21, 2006, 07:15:21 AM
Stupid stupid stupid character with no point.
Post by: Arbok on February 21, 2006, 07:22:49 AM
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Originally posted by: Artimus
I HATE Bowser Jr.
I kind of have to agree... he was cool in Yoshi's Island (great, more like it), Yoshi's Story, and the newest Mario and Luigi.. but he just doesn't make sense outside of those games, and I hated his voice in Sunshine. I kind of wish they would have brought back the Koopa Kids for stuff like Mario Kart too.
Post by: KDR_11k on February 21, 2006, 07:29:25 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on February 21, 2006, 07:33:55 AM
Agreed. When he showed up in Super Mario Sunshine my immediate thinking was that Nintendo screwed up their own continuity by having Baby Bowser and Bowser co-exist. Plus Bowser already has the Koopa kids. Wind Waker did the same thing and its story totally f*cked up the Zelda chronology. Nintendo may make great games but they SUCK at keeping their own continuity straight. They need like a DC-style "crisis" to clean up all the inconsistencies. It could be worse though. At least Bowser Jr is no Crystal from Star Fox.
Still I'm very much looking forward to this game. E3 time isn't going to bother me. Besides it gives the attendees something to play while they wait in line.
I just hope Nintendo doesn't go too nostalgia crazy and this game feels like a new Mario game instead of just a trip though old times. Mario games used to be a big deal because they were so unique, not because they had tons of fan service and familiar characters.
Post by: KDR_11k on February 21, 2006, 07:47:39 AM
Post by: TJ Spyke on February 21, 2006, 08:11:28 AM
Baby Bowser and Bowser Jr. are NOT the same character, this has already been stated in this thread. I still hate Bowser Jr. though, they should get rid of him and bring back the Koopa Kids.
Post by: Arbok on February 21, 2006, 08:14:30 AM
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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
Don't confuse Baby Bowser (Bowser when he was young) and Bowser jr. (his son).
Well they both look exactly the same, especially in the latest Mario and Luigi... In that case I 100% dislike Bowser Jr. then.
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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
Mario killed the Koopa Kids in Super Mario World, remember? They're gone. The game even makes a point to tell you that they're dead though it uses euphemisms for that.
Then the first Mario and Luigi screwed things up, because they are back, and I'm hungry for more god damn it...
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on February 21, 2006, 08:21:33 AM
Post by: Robageejammin on February 21, 2006, 08:43:57 AM
Post by: ShyGuy on February 21, 2006, 08:52:31 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on February 21, 2006, 08:54:18 AM
It's almost as bad as 7,000 different studios all making Lupin the 3rd movies...
Some questions I'd like to see answered:
1. Does Bowser lay eggs or asexually reproduce? If not, where the hell did these kids come from?
2. Where did Bowser himself come from? Why are there no others like him? What species is he?
On a long drive, some friends and I were dreaming theories in regards to how Bowser might have come to be and how one could explain his Koopa kids and the apparent lack of a mate.
The theory was that Bowser is a mutation of the basic turtle species. In being the first of his kind, he was considered to be the destined ruler of the turtles. Since his rise to power, other mutated turtles like himself have been born. Rather then slaying them for fear that they may one day usurp him, Bowser keeps them as his own children/subordinates.
In addition to being able to breathe fire upon reaching adulthood, Bowser's species appears to be able to alter its size, as Bowser has been anywhere from four times Mario's size to roughly 30 times his size when Mario encounters him (from the original Super Mario Bros. to SM64, to SMS, Bowser has never remained a consistent size).
Post by: Ian Sane on February 21, 2006, 09:18:42 AM
-They can't decide if Moblins are bulldogs or pigs.
-The Kokiri apparently can't leave the forest or they die yet Saria is clearly not in the forest at the end of Ocarina of Time but is still alive and it is never really touched on that Link didn't die the second he left the forest. Yeah he's actually a Hylian but you figure Navi would be shocked he's still alive or something.
-Zoras have completely changed appearance since the first Zelda game.
-They have Yoshi as both a singular character and as the universal name of the whole species and all Yoshis are named Yoshi EXCEPT the blue Yoshi named Boshi in Super Mario RPG.
-They seem to vary between Mushroom people having mushroom heads or mushroom hats.
-They have Baby Mario and Luigi coexist with adult Mario and Luigi in several of the spin-off games.
-The layout of both Hyrule and the Mushroom Kingdom has changed drastically between games. Hyrule has an okay excuse that there are multiple Links (but even then mountains and lakes wouldn't move) but Mushroom Kingdom has no excuse.
They just don't keep their continuity straight and it's clear they don't really care. So when I saw "Bowser Jr" in Super Mario Sunshine I immediately assumed that they just threw Baby Bowser in there and were completely unaware that Baby Bowser is in fact the "real" Bowser. They don't seem to understand that Baby Mario is the same as Mario so I assume that same ignorance of their own creations would apply to Baby Bowser as well. Why else would the two characters look EXACTLY THE SAME? I wonder if Nintendo just has a big poster of all their character designs with just "good/bad" next to each name and they just grab whatever they feel like off of it without any research. The reason he's called "Bowser Jr" is probably because at some point someone realized the goof up so they changed the character's name instead of redesigning him.
Post by: TheYoungerPlumber on February 21, 2006, 09:33:47 AM
Post by: MaryJane on February 21, 2006, 09:40:09 AM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane<br Wind Waker did the same thing and its story totally f*cked up the Zelda chronology. Nintendo may make great games but they SUCK at keeping their own continuity straight. They need like a DC-style "crisis" to clean up all the inconsistencies. It could be worse though.
How'd they do that? Far as I recall they said Link was doing the Majora's Mask quest and Gannon came back destroyed Hyrule and then we have Wind Waker... maybe i missed something.
Post by: Smash_Brother on February 21, 2006, 09:50:40 AM
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Originally posted by: TheYoungerPlumber
I'd argue many of your points, but your complaints are so freaking worthless, Ian.
Although they don't affect the overall quality of the games, it would be nice if they had a continuity which could be followed without a tremendous leap of faith.
I think Bowser looking the same as Bowser Jr. at that age is perfectly acceptable, though. That's just what one of his species likely looks like at that age. Take away their crazy hair, makeup and accessories and the koopa kids would look the same.
Also, Hyrule barely survived the transition to 3D so I don't fault them for it.
Post by: Artimus on February 21, 2006, 09:58:45 AM
(And I DO like Baby Bowser, because he's used with Baby Mario Brothers, so it works.)
Post by: Bill Aurion on February 21, 2006, 10:15:50 AM
There are Bulldog Moblins and Pig Moblins...Who said that Moblin is a distinct species?
-The Kokiri apparently can't leave the forest or they die yet Saria is clearly not in the forest at the end of Ocarina of Time but is still alive and it is never really touched on that Link didn't die the second he left the forest. Yeah he's actually a Hylian but you figure Navi would be shocked he's still alive or something.
Errr, Saria is a Sage (I don't believe she's in actual physical form anymore)...There is also the possibility that the whole "die when you leave the forest" was completely made up by the Deku Tree so the Kokiri wouldn't leave...
...And Navi probably knew Link was Hylian...-Zoras have completely changed appearance since the first Zelda game.
Um, there are several species of Zora...Try playing Oracle of Ages...
-They have Yoshi as both a singular character and as the universal name of the whole species and all Yoshis are named Yoshi EXCEPT the blue Yoshi named Boshi in Super Mario RPG.
Um, yeah? Your point?
-They seem to vary between Mushroom people having mushroom heads or mushroom hats.
THIS IS CRUCIAL INFORMATION!
-They have Baby Mario and Luigi coexist with adult Mario and Luigi in several of the spin-off games.
Cause they are spinoffs? SPINOFFS ARE NOT CANON!
-The layout of both Hyrule and the Mushroom Kingdom has changed drastically between games. Hyrule has an okay excuse that there are multiple Links (but even then mountains and lakes wouldn't move) but Mushroom Kingdom has no excuse.
It's called having variety...Why limit level design with a map created back in the day?
Sup, "continuity" complaints sat on...
Post by: vudu on February 21, 2006, 10:18:40 AM
QuoteHe's a Koopa, hence the name King Koopa. He's the ruler because he's the largest/fiercest Koopa there is (as opposed to taking the thrown due to blood rites).
Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
Where did Bowser himself come from? Why are there no others like him? What species is he?
Post by: Smash_Brother on February 21, 2006, 10:44:28 AM
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Originally posted by: vudu
He's a Koopa, hence the name King Koopa. He's the ruler because he's the largest/fiercest Koopa there is (as opposed to taking the thrown due to blood rites).
He's called that, yes, but among the inhabitants of his kingdom, there is no creature which resembles him to the same extent, making him and his "kids" appear to be a completely different species.
I'm probably throwing far too much Darwinism into a situation which completely doesn't call for it...
Post by: Bill Aurion on February 21, 2006, 10:48:20 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on February 21, 2006, 10:52:39 AM
It fits with the 3D Zelda but it screws up the non-Capcom 2D games that came out before Ocarina of Time. It's really hard to fit the older games in that timeline because a Noah's Ark style flood is such a huge event and there's no real evidence of it in the older games that are supposed to take place after Ocarina (which is chronologically the first game). Plus they very specifically set the time frame Wind Waker takes place in relative to the N64 games and there isn't enough space in between for the older games to be pre-flood. We talked about it a lot when the game came out so let's not start that again but basically if you think about the Zelda timeline logically with Wind Waker included for more than five minutes your brain explodes. I just choose to ignore it outright because that's the only way I can come up with something that makes sense. In theory the followup to Wind Waker should explain why the flood is undone and has no bearing on the future but Twilight Princess doesn't seem to be a direct follow up. The whole thing is very complicated and it shows they didn't really put enough thought into it.
"Um, yeah? Your point?"
If all Yoshis are named Yoshi then why is one Yoshi not named Yoshi? In Super Mario RPG only two of the dinosaurs are explicitly named: Yoshi (who is clearly the green dude from Super Mario World) and Boshi. Everyone else is just unnamed like most NPCs. So the assumption would be that like people all Yoshi's have unique names. But in other sources Yoshi is just a catchall for the whole species and in Yoshi's Story they explicitly state that all Yoshi's are named Yoshi. So what about Boshi? He's an anomaly who breaks the rule but is only featured in one game. In reality it seems more like Nintendo just didn't have their sh!t together and made a big inconsistency.
These are really minor issues because the games are great anyway. But it just makes it harder for me to enjoy myself when I have such sloppy inconsistencies right in my face the whole time and they just get worse the more games Nintendo makes. If I created a popular IP I would make sure that everything makes sense. I would know more about the world I created than anyone else. So it bothers me when the creator of something doesn't care enough himself to keep things consistent. It shows a lack of care and it makes the games look more like manufactured product then any sort of artform.
Post by: Bill Aurion on February 21, 2006, 11:04:38 AM
Oh come on...You have evidence from one title...One not even developed by Nintendo! Complaining about that is just plain silly...
It fits with the 3D Zelda but it screws up the non-Capcom 2D games that came out before Ocarina of Time. It's really hard to fit the older games in that timeline because a Noah's Ark style flood is such a huge event and there's no real evidence of it in the older games that are supposed to take place after Ocarina (which is chronologically the first game).
Whoa, hold up...Why does it screw the 2D games up? Just because Ninty thought of an idea later on? Should Nintendo re-release the old games with this new information? (Which would end up with you complaining about ports) Can you use any imagination at all to come up with your own reasons for why the records don't exist? Such as disasters that wipe out traces of history? I mean, geez, Wind Waker takes place a thousand years after OoT! Legends and stories come and go in that kind of time, and complaining because Nintendo doesn't rehash story elements that they had in their original games so they "make sense" is just absolutely bogus...
Post by: King of Twitch on February 21, 2006, 11:08:02 AM
Post by: Karl Castaneda #2 on February 21, 2006, 11:19:22 AM
Post by: wandering on February 21, 2006, 11:36:20 AM
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If all Yoshis are named Yoshi then why is one Yoshi not named Yoshi?
Ever hear of the moon? Yeah.
Post by: ShyGuy on February 21, 2006, 11:47:47 AM
What was the name of the cool little Yoshi in Paper Mario 2?
Post by: Hostile Creation on February 21, 2006, 11:52:39 AM
I don't see why everyone lets it bother them so much. Just accept that the continuity is screwy and have fun with the game. I mean, I of all people should be annoyed by it: I'm a writer and film student, working toward writing and directing narrative films. Things based on plot and characters. Yet I respect Nintendo more than any film director, because they know what they're doing, and it's not the story.
Post by: Infernal Monkey on February 21, 2006, 12:04:37 PM
Post by: joshnickerson on February 21, 2006, 01:24:35 PM
Just repeat to yourself it's just a show I should really just relax..."
Post by: NWR_Lindy on February 21, 2006, 01:29:07 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on February 21, 2006, 02:01:21 PM
Just repeat to yourself it's just a show I should really just relax..."
MST!Super Mario World 2
Yoshi's Island
Post by: Bloodworth on February 21, 2006, 04:04:03 PM
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If I created a popular IP I would make sure that everything makes sense.
LOL, try reading comic books for any length of time.
Post by: Caliban on February 21, 2006, 05:49:00 PM
I really don't care about the Mario continuity, I don't even think that Mario games have that much "story" to tell (except Mario rpg's), they are there just to fill in on your imagination and that's it, just have fun with the game.
Btw, the interview with Takashi Tezuka on the latest NP was very informative and I was actually quite surprised at how much info he gave about the game.
Post by: IceCold on February 21, 2006, 06:03:48 PM
QuoteSorry, but you usually do all the correcting
Originally posted by: vuduQuoteHe's a Koopa, hence the name King Koopa. He's the ruler because he's the largest/fiercest Koopa there is (as opposed to taking the thrown due to blood rites).
Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
Where did Bowser himself come from? Why are there no others like him? What species is he?
EDIT: Ah yes, Mario. I have been crossing off the days on my calendar without even knowing the release date for this game.. I want it more than I want TP, and that's saying something.
Post by: Mario on February 21, 2006, 06:12:42 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on February 22, 2006, 12:06:49 AM
Post by: JonLeung on February 22, 2006, 03:51:27 AM
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Originally posted by: Mario
All the Mario games are seperate, all the Zelda games are seperate, and the best videogames don't make sense.
I'm pretty sure the Oracle games, which you can link together, aren't entirely separate...at least in that sense.
There are also others that are pretty close like Ocarina Of Time and Majora's Mask, or Four Swords and Four Swords Adventures...
Post by: Deguello on February 22, 2006, 04:16:32 AM
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Originally posted by: BloodworthQuote
If I created a popular IP I would make sure that everything makes sense.
LOL, try reading comic books for any length of time.
This is the truth. I only know of DC Comics from what I read on wikipedia, but the intertwining story elements and characters got so convoluted and complex they had to start a comic miniseries just to kill off as many superheroes as they could to simplify things. I got a headache just thinking about it.
It would actually be in Nintendo's best interests to keep things ambiguous as possible and not explain everything in the finest detail. I would hate to have to play Crisis on Infinite Nintendos one day.
The "continuity errors" in Nintendo games are so small time and invisible compared to others I could name.
In fact, I should make a Top Ten Biggest Game Plot Holes post. Some of my preliminary choices might surprise you.
Post by: animecyberrat on February 22, 2006, 04:19:39 AM
Post by: Arbok on February 22, 2006, 03:57:51 PM
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Originally posted by: animecyberrat
DC isnt the only ones, Marvel has done tis before many times. especialy witht he4 x-books they had 2 age of Apocolypse storues ina ten year span, thats bad.
Age of Apocalypse was a time distortion event, which was nulled when Professor X was saved although a few characters managed to escape into the normal "time stream" (Holocaust, Dark Beast, etc.). The "2nd" Age of Apocalypse was simply some comic books going back and telling more stories from the era, not the actual event happening all over again (think of them as prequels if it helps).
"In 2005, Marvel published an Age of Apocalypse one-shot and mini-series to celebrate the 10th anniversary of the popular event.
The one-shot features stories set before the events of the crossover..."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_Apocalypse
Post by: IceCold on February 22, 2006, 05:52:01 PM
Post by: blackfootsteps on February 23, 2006, 06:51:18 PM
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Originally posted by: ShyGuy
Donald Duck, what's up with that?
What was the name of the cool little Yoshi in Paper Mario 2?
You got to name him yourself! Woo! I called mine Yoshyosh. He's an individual and he doesn't look like the baby yoshi's in SMW. Uh oh.
Post by: Nephilim on February 23, 2006, 07:47:10 PM
was cool back then, myself and a mate use to swap the price stickers, so a 6dollar comic turned into a 4dollar one
