Post by: animecyberrat on January 08, 2006, 05:47:19 PM
how Nintendo fans always say Ninty made D-pad first and SOny fans say dude your dumb it was Sega Mastersystem or something of the sort, or when Ninty fans claim Nintendo made Analog stick first SOny fans say no dude Coleco or whoever it was did it first stupid.
anyways yeah I was thinking what if Nintendo fans comeout, or sony fans whoever, and start arguing over Nintenod inventing the remote control and waiting until Revolution to use the technology. Anybody else fearing this argument will be brought up when Rev gets released and when Sony copy cats the controller?
Just um wondering because I know I seen similar arguments over stupid crap all over differentwebforums and am curious what peopel here think. Oh also sorry for misleading topic titles didnt want to give anythig away and dont want to offend the mods.
Post by: Artimus on January 08, 2006, 05:54:48 PM
Post by: IceCold on January 08, 2006, 06:07:21 PM
I was doing OK until I hit this paragraph, but I think I understand now.. more or less at least.
So you are, in effect, making a thread that is designed to incite arguments between Nintendo and Sony fans? Or are you just asking us if we think that there will be a debate as to who invented the NRC concept in the future? I think that's what you meant. But anyways..
Nintendo didn't invent the technology. It was already existing, and they licensed it from Gyration. But they are the first people to apply it to home console gaming in this fashion.. And I think that this, unlike the analogue stick or D-Pad, will forever be universally recognised - you won't see to many PS fans arguing that Sony brought in the tech if they do, in fact, copy it.
Post by: wandering on January 08, 2006, 08:18:23 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on January 08, 2006, 08:21:20 PM
Post by: Rhoq on January 09, 2006, 01:27:34 AM
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Your post confuses me like a spanked cheese beagle.
What kind of cheese?
Post by: Nephilim on January 09, 2006, 04:08:24 AM
Yes nintendo invented good things but lets look at bad things
1. Unique controller ports, remember when u could plug ur 3do control into atari 2600, or genesis? Nintendo ruined the fun for us, instead they had to ruin fighting games by not going with standardized 6 face buttons.
2. They toke the kiddy out of video games, by not using animal characters as main characters, its there fault we now have sex and real life voilence in games
ect. ect.
Post by: Renny on January 09, 2006, 06:35:34 AM
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Originally posted by: Artimus
Your post confuses me like a spanked cheese beagle.
What kind of cheese?
My spanked cheese beagle prefers smoked gouda.
Post by: ShyGuy on January 09, 2006, 06:56:53 AM
On the subject: Nintendo invented the jump button
Post by: UncleBob on January 09, 2006, 07:11:44 AM
Post by: BiLdItUp1 on January 09, 2006, 07:27:05 AM
Post by: Strell on January 09, 2006, 07:38:31 AM
1. The d-pad was invented and used first in home consoles by Nintendo. Originally someone had the buttons setup in that manner (N/S/E/W), but they were not connected. Gumpei Yokoi (of Metroid and Gameboy fame) came up with the idea to connect them, hence forming the pad. This was first done in 1982 with the Donkey Kong handheld game. This can be verified via wikipedia.
2. Analog was around far before the N64, BUT no one has perfected it or scaled it down to a one-finger size. The N64 was the first machine that did this in such a manner that it was usable, and not some large unwieldly joystick, like with old Coleco vision machines and such.
3. The Sega Master System came out after the Nintendo from what I know, and it's dpad was more a square designed to use 8 directions. It was more powerful than the NES but never came close to sales.
Post by: JonLeung on January 09, 2006, 08:49:40 AM
And apparently, according to some patent document, Nintendo patented "insanity" for use in Silicon Knight's Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem.
Post by: animecyberrat on January 09, 2006, 09:12:30 AM
ah never mind it was a dumb thread I was bored
Post by: Ceric on January 09, 2006, 12:23:53 PM
Post by: mantidor on January 09, 2006, 12:47:02 PM
Post by: MysticGohan24 on January 09, 2006, 12:50:17 PM
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Dude. I remember reading some reviews of that game and how one of the effects that happened was the Gamecube would look like it restarted when you were no where near a save point. I wanted that game until I was playing it at a store and couldn't get pass one area at the very beginning after covering all the ground and everythin. Decided that it had to something either stupid or glitchy and never got that tainted feeling away enough to get the game.
heh, that would be Enternal Darkness, good game.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 09, 2006, 02:21:22 PM
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Dude. I remember reading some reviews of that game and how one of the effects that happened was the Gamecube would look like it restarted when you were no where near a save point. I wanted that game until I was playing it at a store and couldn't get pass one area at the very beginning after covering all the ground and everythin. Decided that it had to something either stupid or glitchy and never got that tainted feeling away enough to get the game.
Should've been playing it in the comfort of your own home. Then you *might've* felt it was a legitimate obstable instead of putting fault on the game.
Post by: Nosferat2 on January 09, 2006, 03:50:35 PM
Post by: MysticGohan24 on January 09, 2006, 03:53:07 PM
Post by: Magik on January 09, 2006, 06:03:30 PM
This 'Sony stole this and that!' is just Nintendo fanboy's way of combating the 'Nintendo is tiku tiku tiku! !' arguement.
Post by: BiLdItUp1 on January 09, 2006, 06:30:44 PM
Post by: Artimus on January 09, 2006, 06:39:29 PM
But either way, Sony completely stole both ideas from Nintendo.
Post by: BiLdItUp1 on January 09, 2006, 07:08:05 PM
I'm not a big fan of dual analog or the Dual Shock2 controller myself, but honestly, Artimus, what did you expect Sony to do? Completely ignore how successful Nintendo was with their formula? Of course they'd'steal' it. Take cars, f'rinstance - interchangeable parts, the conveyor belt, the assembly line, engine innovations etc. all happened. You look at the success of Ford with the Model T (still the best selling car ever, I believe topping even the VW bug).
In any case, I believe Microsoft integrated rumble into controllers before Sony even did (with their Sidewinder Force-Feedback pad.) If you don't like the Dual Shock, say so - but don't knock Sony for doing what every corporation in any industry has done consistently. That's just fanboyism, pure and simple.
Post by: Magik on January 10, 2006, 02:27:32 AM
Dumb-ass-next-stepary? You can than say the same for E-Reader and GBA-GC connectivity. Heck, those are beyond Dumb-ass-next-stepary.
Try playing platformers or FPS that need the dual-analogue controller without it.
What Sony did was take an idea further than what Nintendo saw, that's what all these fanboys are mad about.
Post by: mantidor on January 10, 2006, 02:29:17 AM
Post by: Strell on January 10, 2006, 06:03:21 AM
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Dumb-ass-next-stepary? You can than say the same for E-Reader and GBA-GC connectivity. Heck, those are beyond Dumb-ass-next-stepary.
Yea, except that the PSP interacts with the PS2 and the soon to come PS3, and everyone acts like it's a great idea.
Oh, and except that MS has asked Sony to create compatability software/connections between the PSP and the 360, because they want to do connectivity also. And beyond that, connecting with iPods and other such things. (This is straight from J. Allard's mouth, people).
But no, you're right, it's a stupid idea that Nintendo didn't bring to console gaming. No sir.
As far as dual analog goes, MS and Sony are content to think that's enough for gaming interfaces, when it obviously isn't (cue Mark Rein). Hence why a Halo player on PC would trounce an Xbox player every time if they are of comparable skill levels. Mouse + keyboard is far more response than two sticks and gives a far greater array of movement and quickness. Hence, the Rev controller takes console controllers a step further. I realize this is only tangential to the current argument, but it is easily parallel to the situation. If Nintendo exitted now and had never shown the Rev, we'd have...what, triple stick by now? Analog buttons that have 1 billion degrees of pressure? Flame decals for controllers so they go faster? What?
Yea, I don't want to imagine the limitations either.
Point being is that analog stick is revolutionary, adding a second is evolutionary AT BEST (and one could argue it's inspired by Nintendo, given that the N64 controller works off dual sticks at least in a technical and theoretical sense), but only one company does the former and others are content to shove the latter, less impressive results down our throats and call it the next step in interfacing.
Who wants to bet the Xbox 360^2 and PS4 will use something akin to the Rev's interface? Anyone? Oh, wait, they'll add rims and faceplates to it too and call it evolutionary....or at least their fans will...
Post by: BiLdItUp1 on January 10, 2006, 09:03:34 AM
Maybe the PSP-PS2 link has better execution than the GBA-GC link. I thought the GBA-GC link was a great concept that wasn't executed correctly at all. And Sony isn't billing the PSP-PS2 link as an alternative to online play, which is what brought Nintendo a heap of backlash. And if Sony does the same mistakes as Nintendo did with the GBA-GC link (everyone has to buy a couple of link cables, compatible games, etc, etc) then the idea will probably tank anyways.
So, Strell, it seems like your complaints are toward Sony fanboys and PR guys like Kaz Hirai for overhyping, not for Sony implementing the ideas themselves.
Post by: Strell on January 10, 2006, 09:37:29 AM
I fail to see how pointing in that general direction somehow negates Sony's presence within it, especially when you seem content to say "Oh that's just Kaz, and he's just silly."
Not really. That's an oversimplification and you know it. If that were the case, then we wouldn't see third parties talking nonstop in the manner they do. We wouldn't have Shiny's CEO calling the GBA a failure. We wouldn't have to deal with posts from fanboys and everyone else calling Nintendo outdated and g1mm1cky.
But we do, we have, and we will. That is the situation all around in the gaming industry.
The criticism leveled at Nintendo is finely differentiated between useless rants and constructive, valid arguments, but in reality the former overtakes the latter 9 out of 10 times.
I am less interested in the mistakes Nintendo has made in the past - citing connectivity over Internet is debatable since Nintendo didn't say they didn't want to go online, they thought it was unprofitable, and except in rare cases it is for the most part - and more interested in the absolutely idiotic statements I see fired back and forth all over the industry and gaming community that is squarely aimed at Nintendo. It's definitely the "in" thing to do these days - you aren't hip if you like Nintendo.
In other words, online is another case of Nintendo saying something and people taking it WILDLY out of context. Just like them saying "we need shorter game," which was meant to convey "we need less bloated games," and everyone acted like "OMFG WE'RE ONLY GETTING 3 HOUR GAMES NOW," or the endless graphics debate, or games made with everyone in mind as opposed to mature gorefests, etc etc etc.....
The way all of this works these days is Sony copies Nintendo - OR EXTENDS THEIR IDEAS, shut up about me not being clear on that - and somehow this is thought to be absolutely ground breaking. So we get a bunch of people saying a lot of stupid remarks that run the gamut from outrageous ("Well Sony DID invent analog sticks") to pathetically weak ("Nintendo copied Sony!") to borderline valid ("Nintendo adopted dual stick"). But it ALL comes back to people praising Sony and saying Nintendo had nothing to do with it at all.
And this is (and will) happening with connectivity.
And this is (and will) happening with the Rev's controller.
And this is (and will) happening with the virtual console.
And this is (and has) with portable gaming, rumble tech, shoulder buttons, Z-targeting, dozens of genres (kart racing, party games, minigame games), etc etc etc etc etc....
But when it DOES happen, it's seen as positively amazing, new, evolutionary AND revolutionary, so long as you discount the fact that Nintendo got the ball rolling in the first place on essentially all facets.
Last I heard, the PSP-PS2 connectivity was incredibly underutilized, and did nothing more than unlocking a few things in Madden. If that isn't bottom-of-the-barrel "We don't know wtf we are doing" caliber stuff, then I'm not sure how Sony could possibly top Nintendo's implementation. True there are supposed to be neat ideas with MGS4, but the MGS series got a LOT of flack after 2 and has gone downhill, and by the time the PS3 launches the PSP is going to have little to no software support anyway (if current trends continue), so I highly doubt it's effective use down the line. One game won't convince me and shouldn't convince anyone, but again, what does everyone talk about when MGS4 is mentioned? "Don't forget the PSP will interact with it!"
At least Nintendo has already moved beyond PSP's connectivity by making the DS wireless and the eventual next GBA wireless, so that no cables are needed. And the virtual console will probably play off that connectivity as well, making Sony's attempt even more caveman-like. But please, everyone, feel free to tell me Nintendo is using a stagnant idea that went nowhere...
In the end, as I've said, the big deal is that Sony overhypes everything and tells people "this is a great idea THAT WE THOUGHT UP YEARS AGO BUT ONLY ARE JUST NOW USING IT" and their fans take it as the WORD. And that's pathetic because it's almost ALWAYS a rehash of what Nintendo has done in the past. I won't say always because emerging tech will be copied by everyone at some point, but the arguments hereto forecast that Sony is the innovator, Microsoft isn't far behind, and Nintendo is set in its ways.
Give me a break, so tired of people not giving credit where it is due, owed, and owned.
Post by: BiLdItUp1 on January 10, 2006, 04:25:10 PM
As for the PSP-PS2 link thing - I really don't know too much about it, just some conjecture to try to explain why public opinion might be with Sony. I agree that Nintendo has transcended the whole GBA-GC link thing and setting things aright with the DS.
Post by: animecyberrat on January 11, 2006, 09:24:00 AM
people need to learn I am sadistic and always out for blood.
Post by: Ceric on January 11, 2006, 01:42:11 PM
Post by: animecyberrat on January 15, 2006, 02:08:26 PM
I mean look at how so many non gamers refer to the controler pads ad Remotes anyways, imagine arguing that its not a REMOTE its a CONTROLLER to those bafoons once Revolution comes out. Seriously what else did Nintendo invent that we dont knwo about?
I mean we already know Nintendo invented brothels.....
Post by: ThePerm on January 15, 2006, 08:02:13 PM
Post by: animecyberrat on January 15, 2006, 08:21:51 PM
