Post by: jasonditz on January 05, 2006, 06:09:50 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on January 05, 2006, 06:18:14 AM
I wonder how third parties are going to take this. If MS can't get enough units out they've essentially put a big cap on potential game sales.
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 05, 2006, 06:31:21 AM
Post by: couchmonkey on January 05, 2006, 06:35:11 AM
Honestly, I don't think it will be this bad. Maybe Gatesy is just trying to keep people excited. "OH NOES! I had better get one right away!"
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 05, 2006, 06:40:08 AM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 05, 2006, 06:53:21 AM
Xbox 360 external HD-DVD drive that is for movieplaying purposes only to be released in 2006.
so now the 360 has an external cooling unit, external HDD & now am external HD movie drive.
I wonder whats next?
Post by: Toruresu on January 05, 2006, 07:35:11 AM
Post by: vudu on January 05, 2006, 07:58:44 AM
QuoteI'll take it one further. One would go "Oh, I better go out the preorder my Revolution and PS3 now so this doesn't happen to me".
Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
Unfortunately for him, this has a very high chance of backfiring...Instead of getting excited there is the possibility that one would go "Oh, more in stock when the PS3 and Revolution come out, so I'll just wait for those two systems..."
Post by: S-U-P-E-R on January 05, 2006, 08:07:46 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on January 05, 2006, 10:02:16 AM
By the sound of it, mostly producing duds.
Post by: IceCold on January 05, 2006, 10:02:53 AM
Post by: Kairon on January 05, 2006, 10:15:18 AM
Meanwhile, the Rev seems to be using more dependable, more down to earth hardware specs... could the Rev be the only next-gen console that isn't an expensive headache to manufacture?
~Carmine M. Red
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Post by: stevey on January 05, 2006, 11:24:15 AM
WOOT Nintendo is going to kill this year! I can smell it.
Post by: kirby_killer_dedede on January 05, 2006, 11:33:11 AM
Post by: BigJim on January 05, 2006, 02:36:11 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 05, 2006, 02:41:05 PM
Post by: Nosferat2 on January 05, 2006, 03:03:59 PM
peace Nosferatu
Post by: Cap on January 05, 2006, 03:27:02 PM
i personally have never had a problem getting a nintendo console on day one. i always just get there early on launch day.
Post by: Sir_Stabbalot on January 05, 2006, 03:34:23 PM
Post by: Spak-Spang on January 05, 2006, 04:02:11 PM
Post by: kirby_killer_dedede on January 06, 2006, 02:57:17 AM
Post by: OptimusPrime on January 06, 2006, 04:14:17 AM
The thing is... maybe MS realy jumped the gun, not only on the game-industry but on itself too. Final hardware mere months ready before launch, numerous reports of how much money MS is losing on every X360 sold going from 100 to 250 dollars. I believe their actual planned production facalities aren't ready yet so they're hastly producing Xbox360's by outsourcing production to other factories who have minor modifications of producing the hardware, costing MS a lot more money per unit so they lower production yields on purpose so it wouldn't cost them too much in the long run and wait untill the actual meant to be production facailiteis are ready and running.
In other words, Xbox360 has to be the most rushed piece of hardware ever...
Post by: UncleBob on January 06, 2006, 04:49:48 AM
Someone brought back a disc to our store the other day that was scratched from their 360 - perfect circles along the outer edges of the disc - and *DEEP* scratches too. I'd be PO'ed.
So Microsoft can't get enough machines out in time and, apparently, there's a small, but noticable amount defective (scratching discs, over heating, etc). GO MS!
Post by: jasonditz on January 06, 2006, 05:19:15 AM
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Originally posted by: Nosferat2
Do any of you know if Nintendo had this problem that microsoft is having? I never bought a Nintendo console at launch so im wondering if this issue is not limited to MS alone. I would like to know cause i plan on buying a Rev on day 1. So if i need to preorder please let me know. I will kill someone if i have to wait even one day after Metroid Prime 3 hits to play it. That would blow having MP3 in my hands with no Rev, just cause Nintendo couldnt produce enough.
peace Nosferatu
Never to this extent... the Gamecube was comparatively scarce in the months after its launch, and the DS was impossible to find for a month or so (hottest item in Christmas of 2004)... even then it's not like the supply wasn't coming in, it was just getting sold as fast as the stores could stock them.
But I've never heard of any system having a 6-7 month window shortly after launch with zero supply coming in... nor of a case where a console was virtually impossible to get until over a year after launch.
Microsoft is the company that pushed this generation to a premature close in the first place. I'd be awfully worried about buying such an expensive product late in the cycle from a company that seems determined to end of life their consoles as soon as possible. If they don't get this sorted out soon they'll already be talking about release dates for the Xbox 720 by the time you can get the 360.
Post by: couchmonkey on January 06, 2006, 05:32:39 AM
Of course, the smart thing would be to be able to catch up with demand right now, because it will start to drop as people get tired of waiting.
Post by: Spak-Spang on January 06, 2006, 08:59:11 AM
1)Xbox 360s are probably going to be scarce because they are probably trying to find ways of getting better output and solving these initial problems which were probably not well investigated because they had a launch deadline.
2)He is 100% accurate the 2007 will be the year that Sony and Microsoft won't have supply problems. It takes awhile to iron out all initial problems and to have factories making units that are not for the initial preorders and such. This is a true statement, but it is still exagerated because I am sure the Xbox 360 problem will atleast be handled sometime mid-year 2006.
3)I love where this leaves Nintendo. If Nintendo decides to be slow but steady then if they launch Revolution later, but have enough supplies they come out looking like geniuses to the public and are rewarded with huge PR. If Nintendo can release earlier than others anticipate it means Nintendo can be in a huge benefit to gain large marketshare and look to the world that they know what they are doing.
Post by: BlkPaladin on January 06, 2006, 10:38:21 AM
In its advertisments it shows the 360 standing vertically. My brother's friend bought on with the problem one the first things the customer rep asked if the 360 was being played vertically because it is not designed to play that way and may damage the discs.
Post by: Nosferat2 on January 06, 2006, 12:43:07 PM
As for the PS3 as a secondary.. Nope. PS2 was horrible. I have yet to meet anyone not on their 2nd PS2. I know a dude on his 5th! An outrage if you ask me. I further suspect that the PS3 will have similar issue as it is much more complex, at least i think it might be(more complex). So i hope Nintendo does a great job on the REV as with the GC but with a lil more focus on the American market as opposed to the Japanese. Ill take a 50% 50% concentration between markets...well see i guess.
Post by: BlkPaladin on January 07, 2006, 04:43:38 PM
Post by: couchmonkey on January 10, 2006, 09:11:10 AM
Unfortunately, I don't think Nintendo having a problem-free launch equals instant positive PR. Xbox 360s problems do equal bad PR, but nobody writing news really cares if someone has a problem-free launch, that's what should be expected! A smooth launch isn't really newsworthy. But it still makes Microsoft and Sony look bad, which is a-ok!
Post by: Spak-Spang on January 10, 2006, 10:53:56 AM
And don't forget, once all systems are out, the media will do a comparison about all three products and launch issues will be discussed. The fact that Microsoft is potentially dealing with a full year lead being taken away from them is huge.
Post by: Epitaph on January 11, 2006, 08:34:57 PM
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Originally posted by: Sir_Stabbalot
When the PS3 comes out, I'll be one of the people standing outside waiting for launch. And I'll be one of the people to E-Bay it for $2000!
So does that mean you will be selling them at a loss???
As for the xbox360 not playing on its side thats false. It was designed to be able to play like this, whether or not there is a problem playing on its side I have yet to hear. The only problem ive heard is when people move the consol from horrizontal to vertical vice versa while playing.
Post by: Zach on January 13, 2006, 08:46:23 PM
Post by: Renny on January 14, 2006, 04:40:06 AM
There's a Major Nelson video featuring him moving the console from vertical to horizontal... while it's powered on.
Post by: Epitaph on January 14, 2006, 08:14:32 AM
Heres a link from the original design, last paragraph first page says that the consol can be placed horrizontal and vertically like the ps2. It is possible that the final design they decided to scrap vertical play but it was originally intended. Not only that but the only sign I have that its not designed to play that way is the experience of one person with a sales rep.
Post by: Artimus on January 14, 2006, 08:35:23 AM
Post by: Cap on January 16, 2006, 03:33:05 PM
Post by: Zach on January 17, 2006, 03:11:07 PM
Post by: Cap on January 19, 2006, 06:55:39 AM
its an interview with peter moore that i found kind of funny. i dont think he was really prepared for some of the questions that they asked him. they talk about revolution and miyamoto a little too.
Post by: couchmonkey on January 25, 2006, 07:03:02 AM
