Post by: Total Chaos on February 22, 2003, 06:04:00 PM
Post by: Gunstar212 on February 22, 2003, 06:19:06 PM
Post by: RahXephon on February 22, 2003, 06:22:34 PM
Post by: mouse_clicker on February 22, 2003, 06:54:25 PM
Post by: Sir Daniel Fortesque on February 22, 2003, 07:10:44 PM
Post by: Total Chaos on February 22, 2003, 08:10:58 PM
Post by: RickPowers on February 22, 2003, 08:58:02 PM
Most of these "fly-by-night" fan sites that pop up are copying news from other sites. Specifically, these guys copied our Game Boy Player news from last week. Whenever they AREN'T copying news, they're making it up. I could tell you a dozen games Nintendo will have at E3, and just by my knowledge and educated guessing, I would probably be 80% accurate. It's not a real big leap for them to take a couple of stabs and if they get even ONE right, that's all people will remember. It's like Nostradamus ... you only remember when he's RIGHT.
In this case, he's probably right about Mario 128, Pikmin 2, maybe even Animal Crossing 2 and Mario Kart. He's DEAD WRONG about the Zelda footage ... but no one is going to remember that one.
Anyway, it gets worse when big trade shows approach. PLEASE, take everything you read with a grain of salt unless it's coming from sites you can trust. And obviously, I'm talking about US.
Post by: Total Chaos on February 23, 2003, 05:34:24 AM
Post by: Total Chaos on February 23, 2003, 05:34:59 AM
Post by: Zman on February 23, 2003, 05:57:25 AM
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Originally posted by: RickPowers
Let me explain something to you all ...
Most of these "fly-by-night" fan sites that pop up are copying news from other sites. Specifically, these guys copied our Game Boy Player news from last week. Whenever they AREN'T copying news, they're making it up. I could tell you a dozen games Nintendo will have at E3, and just by my knowledge and educated guessing, I would probably be 80% accurate. It's not a real big leap for them to take a couple of stabs and if they get even ONE right, that's all people will remember. It's like Nostradamus ... you only remember when he's RIGHT.
In this case, he's probably right about Mario 128, Pikmin 2, maybe even Animal Crossing 2 and Mario Kart. He's DEAD WRONG about the Zelda footage ... but no one is going to remember that one.
Anyway, it gets worse when big trade shows approach. PLEASE, take everything you read with a grain of salt unless it's coming from sites you can trust. And obviously, I'm talking about US.
Can we have those 12 guesses?
Post by: matt oz on February 23, 2003, 06:02:33 AM
It's like the hierarchy of gaming message boards, where the loser with 5,000 posts, who spends all his time on the boards, is the leader.
Post by: Hostile Creation on February 23, 2003, 06:45:29 AM
Post by: RickPowers on February 23, 2003, 07:00:18 AM
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Last year you said Mario Kart was giving you the most trouble of all the games you were working on. Have you resolved this trouble and can you tell us anything about it.
Miyamoto: First of all, Mario Kart was not in today's film, but that's not because it isn't completed, but rather we want to show it at E3. We don't have anything further to say about it. I hate to admit this, but we were so focussed on Wind Waker, we couldn't share resources with Mario Kart.
Even so, Miyamoto could pull Mario Kart at the last second if he feels it wouldn't do the game justice, as he has been known to do in the past.
And yes, I could offer you my guesses, but I'm positive that it would end up being copied all over the internet and taken completely out of context, so I'm not going to. But it's pretty obvious stuff ... I'd start with anything that was shown at E3 last year but is still not released.
Post by: JSR on February 23, 2003, 07:22:43 AM
Post by: BlackGriffen on February 23, 2003, 08:05:34 AM
Do you think you could talk Louie in to kidnapping Mr. Dyack so we can get more info on this game? Damn, I haven't seen him in the PGC forums since before the move to EZboard... Before ED was released, even. We had some fun then, brainstorming possible insanity effects.
Bring back Dyack!BlackGriffen
Post by: Total Chaos on February 23, 2003, 08:20:07 AM
Post by: Hemmorrhoid on February 23, 2003, 08:24:51 AM
That game is still my most anticipated ever, or basically just as much as Wind Waker which is an achievement given that WW footage is plentyful whereas no Too Human footage has been shown yet.
Rick when will Dyack appear on the PGC boards? YOu once said he would pop up here aswell soon.
Post by: Caterkiller on February 23, 2003, 08:38:50 AM
Mouse-Clicker can you give me a link to that? If that is true then my entire year will be perfect.
Post by: Biohazard on February 23, 2003, 08:50:43 AM
Post by: Hemmorrhoid on February 23, 2003, 08:50:44 AM
Post by: Hostile Creation on February 23, 2003, 02:01:48 PM
My list? Star Fox Armada, Wind Waker, Kirby, maybe Pikmin 2, and probably others, lime Mario 128. And definitely Metroid Prime 2 (they're coming out with one, if you didn't know). Twill be awesome.
Post by: Perfect Cell on February 23, 2003, 02:10:30 PM
Post by: Total Chaos on February 23, 2003, 02:31:57 PM
Post by: mouse_clicker on February 23, 2003, 02:34:30 PM
Sonic Adventure Sequel
Developer: Sonic Team
Publisher: Sega
Release Date: TBA 2003
Exclusive: Yes
I don't think it'll be a problem, but it IS true.
Hostile: Read's IGN preview- it sounds like a really ambitious game.
Post by: Perfect Cell on February 23, 2003, 03:51:04 PM
Post by: willys85 on February 23, 2003, 04:26:41 PM
Post by: rodtod on February 23, 2003, 04:38:11 PM
Rick is just watching out for us giddy gamers, and hoping we don't get too hysterical about E3 news. don't believe everything you read, especially not on the web. in the case of Gamecubezero's news story, it would have been credible had the writer not gone overboard by assuming the next Zelda title would be unveiled.
PGC did not get to where it is now by posting a bunch of bs and advertising that "hot story" on bigger site's forums. Gamecubezero needs to find more honorable ways of gaining a readership.
btw, that Super Smash Bros. online idea has been running around since before Melee was even released.
Post by: Alliedrally68 on February 23, 2003, 08:09:46 PM
Post by: Grey Ninja on February 23, 2003, 08:23:08 PM
Post by: Alliedrally68 on February 23, 2003, 08:31:40 PM
Nindendo needs to do this.
P.S.: I wonder why Nintendo included Marth and Roy as playable characters in the American version? To spark some interest among gamers? Maybe
Post by: Ian Sane on February 24, 2003, 07:01:27 AM
Oh my God! Wario World is going to be shown at E3! What a scoop!
"My list? Star Fox Armada, Wind Waker, Kirby, maybe Pikmin 2, and probably others"
Wind Waker is being released next month. E3 is in May. I REALLY doubt Nintendo would show off a game they've already released in North America at E3.
"I wonder why Nintendo included Marth and Roy as playable characters in the American version? To spark some interest among gamers?"
It's probably because it would have been a pain in the ass to remove them and the localization job would have taken longer as a result. I assume that if Nintendo of America had any plans in late 2001 (when SSBM was released) to release Fire Emblem in North America they would have released the GBA Fire Emblem game.
Post by: RickPowers on February 24, 2003, 07:13:55 AM
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"I'd start with anything that was shown at E3 last year but is still not released."
Oh my God! Wario World is going to be shown at E3! What a scoop!
Well, that's my point. It doesn't take a frickin' genius to make a couple of "bold predictions" as to what will be shown at E3, because I could pull names right out of my ass, and have at least 80% accuracy. It's like shooting fish.
My point is that we're quickly approaching the time of year when you all need to have your bullshit detectors cranked all the way to the right. A lot of people are going to try to put some crap over on you, and it's your job to be skeptical and not get carried away. There are a great many people out there that start these rumors and LIES, just to see how fast they get around the Internet. And I'm not going to let our Forums be a vehicle for spreading this BS around. The only reason why I haven't shut this thread down entirely is because I'm trying to use it to educate you guys.
Post by: PaLaDiN on February 24, 2003, 07:38:51 AM
Seriously, people... he's got a point. Remember Megaton? Exactly.
I don't believe this stuff either.
About Sonic Adventure 3... from what I've heard, it's confirmed, but no details. I don't get where they're getting the "Exclusive:Yes" crap from. I'd say it's pretty likely to be shown at E3 though, if only because Service Games needs any boost it can get.
Post by: Hemmorrhoid on February 24, 2003, 08:10:18 AM
And another question, will you be making another E3 DVD this time, i guess this question is obsolete, but im not sure if your last DVD was a sucess.
Post by: mouse_clicker on February 24, 2003, 08:15:07 AM
"I don't get where they're getting the "Exclusive:Yes" crap from."
Well, IGN, like Rick here, knows a LOT of stuff we don't- they just don't tell us. IGN's usually not one to claim outright that the next Sonic will be exclusive if they didn't have reason enough to believe it.
Anyway, I'm glad this thread has turned into "Let's bash GamecubeZero!". Seriously people, you're just as pathetic as you claim that site is if all you do is sit here and point out all their faults. Rick had a point when he said to turn up your BS meters, but don't take that too far. GamecubeZero could have legitimate info, you never know! It seems like a lot of you hold PGC to be perfect with no faults whatsoever- I bet even Rick would tell you they've made some mistakes in the past, as does EVERY site. It's minimizing these mistakes that gets you to be credible.
Post by: godwheel on February 24, 2003, 08:23:08 AM
Post by: PaLaDiN on February 24, 2003, 08:44:29 AM
But the thing is, from what I've heard, they directly STATED they had no other info than "it's in development". I could have heard wrong though.
I'm hoping for some Too Human news too myself... but I wouldn't be disappointed if we got Eternal Darkness 2 instead.
mouse_clicker... you could just as easily argue that we don't have one shred of proof the article is correct. Either way, we don't know, we're just speculating... which is not a bad thing, as long as you don't believe speculation outright.
Post by: Hemmorrhoid on February 24, 2003, 09:21:12 AM
but not necessarily their next game.
Post by: Hostile Creation on February 24, 2003, 12:49:50 PM
Also, the next Zelda games. . . The Legend Forgotten, I think.
Post by: kennyb27 on February 24, 2003, 01:03:09 PM
Post by: BlackGriffen on February 24, 2003, 01:05:29 PM
BlackGriffen
Post by: rodtod on February 24, 2003, 01:09:28 PM
Post by: Odin on February 24, 2003, 01:20:10 PM
Post by: Ian Sane on February 24, 2003, 01:52:28 PM
They did? I know they showed some released games in a video but I don't recall them having any playable. Anyone who actually went to E3 last year able to confirm whether or not Nintendo had playable versions of already released games?
"And, yeah, the comment about the 'new Zelda' (notice the quotes) being shown at E3 is nearly nothing, why would Nintendo chance losing thousands of possible gamers from Wind Waker who are hoping this new Zelda comes soon."
Why would showing off a new Zelda lose "thousands" of sales? Zelda games aren't like Madden where the next game makes the old one obsolete. The average Zelda fan will buy BOTH games as both games are completely different. Now if Nintendo showed off Wind Waker: Director's Cut then I can see it affecting sales. Besides by the time E3 comes around Wind Waker will have been out for nearly two months and by then all the really hardcore fans will have bought it already. Anyone who really cares about the new look enough to sit on the fence in regards to purchasing likely will never buy the game anyway.
Think about it this way. If Square showed off two Final Fantasy games for PS2 at the same time (let's say XII and XIII) that are to be released months apart do you think anybody would not buy XII because XIII is being released so soon after? Not likely because both games are different and most fans will be interested in both.
Post by: Gibdo Master on February 24, 2003, 01:56:47 PM
Post by: mouse_clicker on February 24, 2003, 02:43:55 PM
True, but that doesn't automatically mean it's FALSE, either. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Until someone PROVES that GamecubeZero is BSing, what gives them the right to assume so? I'm not saying we should believe them (I'll admit a lot of their stuff sounds iffy), but without evidence either way, we shouldn't make a decision either way.
Post by: RickPowers on February 24, 2003, 03:00:03 PM
Post by: Gibdo Master on February 24, 2003, 03:37:37 PM
So Rick are you saying the GameCube Zelda sequel is bull sh!t or the whole new Zelda thing including the GBA game?
Post by: JSR on February 24, 2003, 03:41:24 PM
Post by: Hemmorrhoid on February 24, 2003, 09:21:31 PM
And I swear Silicon Knights are gonna display Too Human this year, they cant develop it forever and they are obviously working on it.
I know that they are also working on another project which might get released even before Too Human but hell its about time to show some Too Human.
Post by: StRaNgE on February 24, 2003, 11:17:43 PM
Soon my children soon…
(Whoa, sorry, guess I was dreaming there for a second.)
Post by: Mario on February 25, 2003, 12:31:02 AM
Anyway, i hope Too Human is shown.
Post by: Lumas Etima on February 25, 2003, 05:39:41 AM
The really great thing is that Nintendo's booth could be 15 F-Zero displays, 15 Pikmin 2 displays, and 15 Mario Golf displays, and I'd be perfectly happy...the great thing is that there's a100% chance their E3 showing will be 10 times cooler than what would make me perfectly happy.
Post by: Hemmorrhoid on February 25, 2003, 06:54:04 AM
The only thing thats still unsure is when it will be shown and released.
And just to clear up, Eternal Darkness didnt use a modified engine but a subset, but a subset of the Too Human engine, a chunk of the engine. It basically means the same, but I just want to reinforce what an amazing engine and ultimately what amazing graphics Too Human ought to have.
Post by: kennyb27 on February 25, 2003, 03:15:42 PM
Post by: Phish on February 25, 2003, 03:52:25 PM
And I'd like to say thanks to Rick for being active in the boards. His posts help keep the bullshit down.
Post by: KrazyJ1098 on February 25, 2003, 04:50:16 PM
Post by: mouse_clicker on February 25, 2003, 04:57:56 PM
Rick: Ok, I'm not doubting you. I just don't think people should be quick to jump to conclusions just because their beloved PGC didn't say so.
But I agree with kenny- showing a new Zelda *right* after WW's release, especially with an SW2K graphcial style, would only make those borderline buyers hold off on WW and wait for the next one. It's bad business.
Post by: PIAC on February 26, 2003, 02:10:40 AM
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Originally posted by: PaLaDiN
Seriously, people... he's got a point. Remember Megaton? Exactly.
mmkay, please dont flame me / call me a noob etc, but the whole megaton thing seems have to sliped right passed me, im fairly read up on nintendo's comings and go-ings, but for some reason i managed to miss this whole issue compleatly, what/when/who/how was this megaton anouncement??!
Post by: Hemmorrhoid on February 26, 2003, 08:38:47 AM
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Originally posted by: Phish
I think Too Human looks to be a great game, but it also has the potential to be the biggest dissapointment. This game been hyped to hell with only little known about it. But hey, its even got me excited ovebr it.
And I'd like to say thanks to Rick for being active in the boards. His posts help keep the bullshit down.
Im sure it wont dissapoit because
A: Its being developed for ever
B: Silicon Knights are really talented which they prove with Eternal Darkness (and Too Human must be much better than ED because its a way bigger project)
C: This game definetely has an important meaning, ie is probably seen as a great contribution to Nintendos sucess with the GCN so everyones watching it turns out great. It might be seen as what Metroid was in 2002 for the GCN in 2004 (and I mean by Nintendo).
Post by: Bill Aurion on February 26, 2003, 08:55:25 AM
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Post by: Sir Pinch-a-Loaf on February 26, 2003, 09:35:04 AM
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Originally posted by: PIACQuote
Originally posted by: PaLaDiN
Seriously, people... he's got a point. Remember Megaton? Exactly.
mmkay, please dont flame me / call me a noob etc, but the whole megaton thing seems have to sliped right passed me, im fairly read up on nintendo's comings and go-ings, but for some reason i managed to miss this whole issue compleatly, what/when/who/how was this megaton anouncement??!
Basically, a Japanese mag said that Nintendo was making a quote "Megaton" announcement. Speculation on the net got way out of hand, including buyouts of Sega, Capcom, Namco, etc etc, insane game announcements, stuff like that. Turns out that Nintendo announced a game with characters from the magazine's comic strip.
So basically, everyone is now hesitant to get too excited over rumors, for fear of another Megaton disappointment.
Post by: Razex on February 26, 2003, 12:04:49 PM
Zelda: Wind Waker
Mario 128
Pikmin 2(hopefully online)
Animal Crossing 2(same thing)
F-Zero GC(maybe reveal online...I doubt it though)
Mario Kart GC(online..)
Too Human(please...
FF:CC
Kirby's Air Ride
1080 Snowboarding
Wario World
Pokemon(anything...
New Sonic Game(hopefully exculsive)
MGS(whatever it is...if the rumor is true)
That's not even everything...anything else anyone can think of?
Post by: Bill Aurion on February 26, 2003, 12:22:10 PM
i guarantee Earthbound will be shown...i can feel it
and also expect a new baby from Miyamoto(think about how Pikmin appeared out of the blue)
Post by: Gharakh on February 26, 2003, 04:45:14 PM
i can't wait for more f-zero footage, and tube slider as well. they could have a section thats just racing. f-zero, tube slider, and mario kart. that would be pretty cool
Post by: RahXephon on February 26, 2003, 05:12:37 PM
