Post by: ThePerm on December 14, 2005, 05:33:31 PM
ot otherwise..and perhaps i would have jumped ship back in the day. They hooked me because there was a big page full of screenshots. 8 years later I'm building freaking link statues out of bronze.Also, Nintendo needs to learn how to keep their systems alive. These system deaths dont happen with everybody else. There are still alot of games coming out for xbox even though 360 is out. I think there are still even psx games coming out.
Post by: MysticGohan24 on December 14, 2005, 05:43:55 PM
Bow DOWN MORTAL!! Well the snes had games still coming out for it well into '98. Even after nearly 3yrs of the n64 being out "if memory serves me" So I wouldn't worry too much, but I blame sony and my post is a train wreck for rushing into another gen, it wasn't this way until they decided it would be grand if they could make videogames, and I use "make" lossely"
Post by: nemo_83 on December 14, 2005, 06:01:03 PM
I didn't realize they had a product to sell anytime between since the last Metroid came out and whenever Zelda and the Revolution come out this time next year.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on December 14, 2005, 06:04:29 PM
"I didn't realize they had a product to sell anytime between since the last Metroid came out and whenever Zelda and the Revolution come out this time next year."
That'd better be sarcasm, otherwise that's outright moronic.
Post by: MysticGohan24 on December 14, 2005, 06:06:29 PM
Post by: ThePerm on December 14, 2005, 06:13:16 PM
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Originally posted by: nemo_83
"I barely ever see Nintendo ads"
I didn't realize they had a product to sell anytime between since the last Metroid came out and whenever Zelda and the Revolution come out this time next year.
even if they don't have new games out..they should advertise the old ones. Hopefully around the time revolution comes out Nintendo will take its solid players choice lineup and advertise it heavilly.
Zelda: TP, Metroid
rime 1&2, Mario Sunshine, Eternal Darkness, RE4. All these games will be backwards compatable and most of them might be games people have missed. They should be at an extremely low price of $9.99(except Zelda:TP). That may sound too low...but too low isnt a bad thing. PSX games sold at $9.99 at the end of the last generation and it was one of those boosts that really hurt Nintendo which couldnt get the prices down as low ith their damn cartriges.Post by: Hostile Creation on December 14, 2005, 06:23:29 PM
And I've been seeing many more DS ads than PSP ads. I've seen many Nintendo ads offhand on public televisions around campus, because I hardly watch TV.
Post by: ThePerm on December 14, 2005, 07:03:47 PM
Post by: eljefe on December 14, 2005, 09:39:40 PM
I already knew about the game by then, and it made me wonder how many people would see the ad and go buy it. I doubt any of those people even knew about MP 2, I certainly never saw an ad for it.
Anyway, after the initial onslaught DS ads have trickled. Fortunately, its been successfully spread by word-of-mouth, but Nintendo can't rely on this. None, of the people I know who like gaming are willing to check the net, and therefore DO NOT KNOW THAT MKDS EXISTS. There have been absolutely 0 ads for it (its a shame because I actually like the new DS ads on their site). They also DO NOT KNOW THAT THE DS HAS FREE WIFI.
If the Revolution is marketed like this, it will sell, but it will never reach its full potential. Particularly the casual gaming market, which are apparently so casual that THEY DO NOT LOOK UP GAMES ON THE INTERNET!
Nintendo does need to fix the situation.
Post by: animecyberrat on December 15, 2005, 06:52:01 AM
When iw as a kid I only watched cartoons and kids shows, as a teen I watched Mtv and Scifi then when i got older I practiclay qwuit al together so to me it always seamed Nintendos ads were diminishing.
Then I chose to exsperiment and decided to wactha fwew hours of cartoons/kids programing with my 2 year old nephew and was SHOCKED at how many Nintendo ads I DID see. People always seam to forget they are an Entertainment company geared towards CHILDREN. I realized this a long time ago when I played Mario Sunshine, an unmistakably childish game, fun for longtime fans but definatley geared towards kids. Continueing my experiement i choses (rather reluctantly) to watch some MTV and since my sister is into Making the Band I watched it with her for a couple episodes and again to my shock I was shown a Nintendo ad EVERY commercial break! During a show that stars P-diddy putitng together teh next Spice girls act, certainly not Nintendos target market until I realiazed teh ads were for Animal Crossing WW, and some Mario Kart DS and other Wi Fi ads.
So It seams to me they most certainly are re4aching their target audience, however the older gamers, who some mistakingly refer to as hard core, like myself and others who watch more grown up tv shows and not kids stuff dont get as many ads, but I did notice Sci-fi channel and G4 still get plenty of GC ads and even some exclusives are shown regularly. I know this may bea shock to people but its no different now than back in teh 90s, the only difference I can point to of hand that I KNOW has changed is in the early Ninties many popular family sitcoms9 Roseanne, Home Improvement etc) not only had Nintendo ads they occasionaly had kids mention they were going to play Nintendo. I now see they same stuff in sitcoms only its now Playstation that gets the ads and mention.
So what I see is Yes tehres a shift, but to be honest Nintendo KNOWS who thier target market is and frankly it the kids, hands down, tehy make up the game parket, teens and younger are the age groups playing video games, so it makes sense to advertise durring show they watch, and if they had a sports game they would advertise it durring a related sports event, and such but currently Nintendo has no major sports titles worth mentioning to sports fans (Mario sports doesnt count cuz only Mario fans care about those) peopel who want good sports games that emulate real sports generaly dontgo to Nintendo anymore, which sucks cuz they used to make some pretty good Sports games and had some good advertising durring football games and such, now Sony and Microsoft get those spots.
So inconclusion if your not seeing Nintendo ads on whatever station you watch, ask yourself if its something other Nintendo gamers would watch and then decide if there should be ads or not. I will say that I went to school and studied bussiness and marketing was one of the biggest subjects covered and looking at it form thier perspectibve of who the target audience is I see they still do the same level of advertising as before. Whats lacking is promotions and movie tie ins and such, like back when Pepsi and Shasta both ahd Super Mario 3 givewayas or how ever magazine on teh face of the earth was trying to giveaway a SNES when it was new and cool. Stuff like that is where they need to pick it up again, and with Revolution they sure as hell better make some changes cuz if they let people know it will play those old NES/SNES favorites like Mario BRos, DUCK HUNT, and Dr mario, etc, that should be enough to entice thousdands of gamers and non gamers who have given up on Nintendo, if they advertise it well. To me I honestly think thats the storngest selling point they have going for them with Rev and itrs what NEEDS to be pushed AT LAUNCH. Anywyas sorry for long post just wanted to share everything I had. Ok im cool now.
Post by: Ian Sane on December 15, 2005, 07:22:04 AM
I wonder if there actually is a difference in the amount of ads Nintendo shows. Remember in the 80s you were a kid. I used to see Nintendo ads all the time but it was during weekday afternoon or Saturday morning cartoons. I don't watch cartoons that much anymore so for all I know they are still advertising just as much during that time period as they did before. Yesterday I was watching the Garfield Christmas special and saw tons of commercials for toys I had never heard of. I thought to myself "gee they should have been advertising this sooner to tie in better with Christmas". Then I realized I was watching YTV, a kids network, and for all I know this ad had been on for months but I just didn't notice because I rarely watch YTV. Of course they're not going to advertise these toys during prime time.
Nintendo's advertising still needs a lot of work though because gaming isn't just for kids anymore. I should be seeing ads in my regular TV watching. Lately I only know when a game comes out if it's one I'm really interested in and thus are following. Normally I'm in the store and go "oh that Mario soccer game's out now." I agree with Perm completely about this.
Now for the last year or so Nintendo of Canada has been running their own commercials (which are not that bad actually) so I don't see NOA commercials as often anymore so I can't say if they've fixed thing or not. But from the ones I have seen throughout the Cube's life they almost all suck. They don't give any indication about what the game is about or why you should buy it. The ads are full of obscure references you would only pick up on if you were familiar with the game. If I have to know about the game to "get" the ad what's the point of having an ad at all? They also have virtually no gameplay footage at all. This isn't the NES anymore. Graphics look good so SHOW THEM. GTA is THE game this gen and it's ads are nothing but footage from the game. Hell they look like blocky crap but they show you what the game is like and that makes a big difference.
Third party support helps with advertising too. Every third party PS2 ad is in reality a PS2 ad. Games for the console advertise the console. Seeing "for Xbox" or "for PS2" at the end of the third party ad really helps make the console look like it's successful and has a healthy lineup. On the NES 90% of videogame ads period advertised the NES. It's largely a different issue altogether but it relates to advertising. The lack of Cube exclusives made for a lack of ads. And if an exclusive has no advertising Nintendo should provide it themselves.
It's a shame because I felt the N64 had really good advertising. Perfect Dark's ad for example was fantastic. Somehow in the year between Nintendo's advertising turned to crap and I had serious doubts about the Cube's future the second I saw those horrible "life in a cube" ads and saw that the Cube killer app, Rogue Leader, was only on screen for half a second.
I think game trailers like they show at E3 would make the best ads. Screw this skit crap. That footage makes us all wet out pants. Why wouldn't it do the same for the general public? Movie ads mostly just show footage so why no games?
Post by: JonLeung on December 15, 2005, 08:48:50 AM
I remember that for the longest time, whenever I saw a television ad, it was always for a Nintendo game on the NES or Super NES or a Sega game on the Genesis or Game Gear. First-party stuff.
The first time I saw a Street Fighter II television ad, I was thinking..."can they do that?" o_0 And now I remember that moment, looking back and wondering why I thought Capcom couldn't. I think it was just unusual at the time. Now I see ads for third-party games much more, at least the few times I watch TV.
Most of the Nintendo Player's Choice games are Nintendo's own. But there are lots of PS2 Greatest Hits commercials now, and I don't think most are Sony's own. Sure, there's Sly, Jak & Daxter, but the others? I don't think so. That's a more direct example of how the commercial is one for the PS2 itself rather than just the games but I know what Ian is saying about third-party games seemingly emphasizing the consoles they're on.
Post by: Caterkiller on December 15, 2005, 09:18:37 AM
Though lately Saturday mornings I seem to catch nothing but Shadow the Craphog commercials. Ether way alot of Nintendo's commercials are on these kids networks, its just they defenitly need to be shown more during prime time on the WB and FOX.
I remember the N64 ads and I use to love them. Any one remember Mario Kart 64? "It kicks asphault!" I was still only in the 5th grade or so and that combined with Donkey Kong getting knocked in the air by a bus made me think that was the coolest thing in the world. Also I use to love the slogan "get N or get out."
Man did that ever speak to me.
Post by: Cap on December 15, 2005, 09:48:51 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on December 15, 2005, 10:49:54 AM
Reggie is cool tho
Post by: odifiend on December 15, 2005, 11:53:48 AM
Post by: JonLeung on December 15, 2005, 12:15:54 PM
When you consider how many people mention in Xbox in casual speak, and the GameCube next to never, then Nintendo's actually doing a good job with their sales. They're selling more than you would think with only a few commercials which many of you think suck.
So if they had lots of commercials, and they were all good ones, wow! Wonder how much more they'd sell.
Post by: odifiend on December 15, 2005, 12:36:22 PM
Post by: archioverload on December 15, 2005, 01:37:06 PM
Print gets lost in the shuffle often but it can be highly effective to target specific groups. E.g., I saw some Super Mario Strikers ads in Maxim and FHM. The art style of the game seemed to make the game feel less out of place there than, say, Animal Crossing.
I haven't ever heard a Nintendo radio commercial. I know there are some for PS2/Xbox 3rd party games.
Viral and nontraditional advertising. Everyone wants to jump on this bandwagon but few, I think, know how to do it really well. And it can backfire (e.g., the PSP graffiti ads pissed some people off because they were, well, grafitti and ugly to boot).
There is no magic bullet. Nintendo I think still has a huge cache with its brand, although tied to people's memories of the past, not as much the future or present. But many people will tell you the right advertising is less about selling specific products than the cultivation of brands. And with the right advertising, Nintendo can tap into that good brand vibe. It needs, however, a consistent message with whatever 3rd parties decide to hitch themselves to the Revolution wagon.
Post by: Dirk Temporo on December 15, 2005, 01:40:05 PM
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Post by: Avinash_Tyagi on December 16, 2005, 09:50:50 AM
Post by: ThePerm on December 16, 2005, 03:42:44 PM
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Originally posted by: Avinash_Tyagi
You know what's odd, I see nintendo ads all the time when I watch TV, maybe you guys watch the wrong channels
i have 200 tvs....i watch every channel at the same time...like shredder
Post by: MysticGohan24 on December 16, 2005, 04:59:06 PM
I'm sure ADD will kick in anytim.... *chases butterflies*
Post by: ThePerm on December 16, 2005, 06:20:29 PM
Post by: Mario on December 16, 2005, 07:00:21 PM
Post by: bmfrosty on December 16, 2005, 07:26:16 PM
So:
5 weeks
5 stations
10 markets.
they'd have to give away 250 game/console bundles.
Run the promotion once a year for their biggest title of the year.
say 2002 with Super mario Sunshine and/or Metroid Prime
2003 with Wind Waker.
2004 Metroid Prime 2.
2005 with RE4
2006 Zelda and then Rev upon release.
Top 10 Markets:
(1) New York
(2) Los Angeles
(3) Chicago
(4) San Francisco
(5) Philadelphia
(6) Dallas-Fort Worth
(7) Detroit
(8) Boston
(9) Washington, DC
(10) Houston-Galveston
They'd probabally add Seattle-Tacoma for that home town love.
Post by: ThePerm on December 17, 2005, 04:51:40 PM
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Post by: Don'tHate742 on December 19, 2005, 08:16:46 AM
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Post by: JonLeung on December 19, 2005, 08:29:48 AM
Didn't they also team up with Tommy Hilfiger for the "hip" factor? I don't remember if that was a while ago or for the Game Boy Micro. It probably was a while back, and probably not that successful, but it seems like they're trying to make the Micro a fashion statement.
I don't watch wrestling but I hear Nintendo has a lot of ads during WWE matches.
I think Nintendo needs to team up with anybody they can, but hopefully someone more mainstream and cool. I know Wal-Mart stores and McDonald's restaurants are everywhere but they're not "cool". They're not entirely "uncool" but I think Nintendo needs to reach out more. I don't know how but there must be something they could do differently.
Post by: IceCold on December 19, 2005, 09:02:22 AM
Post by: animecyberrat on December 20, 2005, 05:53:26 PM
I also remember they had a BE IN A NINTENDO GAME promotion with DR Pepper for the GC but I didnt follow that to see what came of it. When I watch G4 I see crap loads of Nintendo ads, especialy durring Cinematech and Filter. MTV and Sci-Fi channel seam to be the only chanels beside the ones with kids programing that I ever see Nintendo ads on anymore.
What they shoudl do with teh rev though is have some kind of promotion with maybe M& Ms and say give away 500 revs and the thousands/hundreds of other pizes could be games or DLs of old games. That would help with their presence issue I think. Or team with Pepsi for similar kind of thing, yo know like collect points towards a Special Edition Rev with either Pepsi or MT DEW logo on it and some free DLs or something. Damn it why dont Nintendo hire me for thier marketing department I have ALL the good ideas!
Post by: ThePerm on December 20, 2005, 07:45:18 PM
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Post by: Rancid Planet on March 13, 2006, 01:11:10 PM
The problem though, is that tv ads for Rev games would be about as effective as VB ads on tv would have been. That is, not very. So here is my solution. Kiosks everywhere. I mean I'm not just talking the usual demo stations at Target, Best Buy and Wally World. I mean if I'm in JC Penny, I want to see a Rev kiosk. If I'm in Hastings, Rev kiosk. If I'm in freaking PayLess Shoe Store, I want to see a freaking Rev kiosk.
Really beat Joe Consumer over the head with it untill he has no choice but to submit and buy the damn thing Nintendo.
Post by: raptorspike on March 13, 2006, 05:25:02 PM
Post by: ThePerm on March 14, 2006, 05:06:28 AM
Post by: Ceric on March 14, 2006, 12:33:47 PM
Post by: Rancid Planet on March 14, 2006, 10:09:41 PM
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Originally posted by: ThePerm
to beat them in the head HARD....HARD HARD
Damn right.
McDonalds: I want to see a kiosk.
Herman's Wide World of Fishing Lures: Kiosk
Inside My Mailbox: Tiny little kiosk.
Post by: ThePerm on May 04, 2006, 10:45:44 PM
i made this thread before the name was announced :P
but i'm all about the games, but I want everybody at noa except reggie like gone
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 05, 2006, 03:12:52 AM
Post by: Ceric on May 05, 2006, 05:36:10 AM
Oh and I hate the PSP Squirrels.
Edit: I didn't realize how old this thread was.
I had something else to say but it eludes me now.
Post by: mantidor on May 05, 2006, 05:42:45 AM
I thought Nintendo wanted to sway everyone.
I think that since we are Nintendo fans our attention is caught more easily by Nintendo ads than somebody elses. I also saw like a million of MP2 ads and only one or two of halo 2, and we know how that turned out.
On key piece of marketing is the commercials but is not just that.
Edit:
oh Im also eager to see how Fils Aime handles the name, the guy is the best Ive seen in his job, but he built a reputation with "kicking ass and taking names" and overall bully-ish attitude, that conflicts with the name.
Post by: Ceric on May 05, 2006, 07:10:26 AM
