Post by: BigJim on December 02, 2005, 11:00:46 AM
Shiggy - “There’s another secret,” he says. I perk up. “But I’m not going to go into that here. That’ll be for a later date.”
Let the speculation begin... again! err... Still!
I can't imagine what the other secret would be. Headset/mic? Hope it's something cool.
Post by: Caliban on December 02, 2005, 11:59:48 AM
Post by: Stimutacs Addict on December 02, 2005, 12:19:46 PM
microphone
that's about all I can think of
oh and hey, does anyone think that the Rev will have a local wireless multiplayer ala DS? cuz that would turn my dorm into a madhouse
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 02, 2005, 12:21:22 PM
(Seriously, who thinks a mic is a huge secret?)
"oh and hey, does anyone think that the Rev will have a local wireless multiplayer ala DS? cuz that would turn my dorm into a madhouse"
I thought wireless LAN was confirmed fairly recently?
Post by: nemo_83 on December 02, 2005, 12:26:59 PM
It could be a mic in the egg piece, innovative finger mechanics yet shown for the peripherals, or augmented reality. Whatever it is; it has to do with the interface.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on December 02, 2005, 12:56:35 PM
Post by: wandering on December 02, 2005, 01:11:07 PM
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“… you could use that extra peripheral with the controller for numchakus,” he says, gesturing. I feel like I’ve heard this sale a million times now. Yes, numchakus, cool for FPS, cooking games, I got it.
“There’s another secret,” he says. I perk up. “But I’m not going to go into that here. That’ll be for a later date.”
Exciting!
Post by: trip1eX on December 02, 2005, 01:59:50 PM
I've read they didn't tell anyone about the touchscreen on the DS until late in the game.
So I'd guess this Revolution secret is some feature or innovation that's fairly substantial.
I would eliminate microphone altho having voice features more integrated into games could be exciting. But I'm not sure how they would do that with the controller setup they have. Voice recognition would seem to require a mic next to your mouth. I just can't picture that being a requirement for every game.
Local wireless play? This isn't it either. AT least this isn't the secret feature. I'm pretty sure this is already assumed because they said the Revolution will be wi-fi. If Cubes can be hooked up together to play Mario Kart
D with wires then this is already in there.I don't even know where to guess myself.
Analog buttons? Eh I just don't see as being a big secret.
I might guess that some old games could be played with over wi-fi or updated graphics of old games or you'll be able to use the controller in older games. But that doesn't seem like a big feature to keep secret either.
Maybe it will be hi-def after all? lol.
Post by: Shecky on December 02, 2005, 02:00:26 PM
How about just support for wireless headsets? Being able to use a standard bluetooth one would be nice, but I'd settle for some in house solution (after all, accessories are a major source of revenue they don't easily give up).
Post by: BigJim on December 02, 2005, 02:10:53 PM
- Works as part of a DS Player
- Controllers speak to each other (what uses might this have?)
- Audio/speaker feedback, like a sword clash, fishing reel, or light saber swing.
Post by: Don'tHate742 on December 02, 2005, 02:53:37 PM
Disregarding some mind-blowing invention, this "secret" has to fall within two categories: controller modification and attachment.
My guess is a gyroscopic nun-chuck for punch out bliss.
Post by: cubist on December 02, 2005, 03:19:01 PM
Hmmm...that was too far-fetched...back to the drawing board.
Post by: odifiend on December 02, 2005, 03:40:22 PM
Post by: PaLaDiN on December 02, 2005, 05:51:42 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on December 02, 2005, 06:20:18 PM
Post by: King of Twitch on December 02, 2005, 06:42:49 PM
Post by: NotSoStu on December 02, 2005, 07:21:53 PM
It's a rumble pack accessory, duh.
Post by: zakkiel on December 02, 2005, 07:25:55 PM
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Originally posted by: Don'tHate742
Well lets think deductively....
Disregarding some mind-blowing invention
Was it Perrin who said something about them unveiling the part of the DS that was easier to understand first? It would have to be pretty mind-blowing to be harder to understand than what they already have.
Post by: Mario on December 02, 2005, 07:49:22 PM
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Originally posted by: MJRx9000
What a tease. Stop reminding us you have a secret/s and just SHOW IT/THEM.
Wait for E3! You can play Mario Kart DS / Super Mario Strikers 'til then.
Post by: IceCold on December 02, 2005, 08:31:38 PM
Heh, I also thought that they just recently confirmed this (probably Merrick), and additionally, you can play single-disc LAN games similar to the DS...
Post by: ThePerm on December 03, 2005, 05:20:30 AM
Post by: austinattech on December 03, 2005, 06:36:12 AM
Post by: Kairon on December 03, 2005, 10:22:54 AM
Maybe the Controller itself will have SPEAKERS?!?!
*ahem*
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on December 03, 2005, 10:58:35 AM
Post by: norebonomis on December 03, 2005, 12:38:19 PM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
Maybe the Controller itself will have SPEAKERS?!?!
this idea appeals to me. similar to the direction apple has taken with it's mighty mouse (for those of you who dont know, apple's mighty mouse has a built in speaker for a deeper level of sensory immersion)
Post by: Artimus on December 03, 2005, 12:48:47 PM
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Originally posted by: norebonomisQuote
Originally posted by: Kairon
Maybe the Controller itself will have SPEAKERS?!?!
this idea appeals to me. similar to the direction apple has taken with it's mighty mouse (for those of you who dont know, apple's mighty mouse has a built in speaker for a deeper level of sensory immersion)
Except no one likes the Mighty Mouse.
Post by: Shecky on December 03, 2005, 01:07:11 PM
NO THANKS
Post by: nemo_83 on December 03, 2005, 01:38:26 PM
They likely plan on having this mic plug into the bottom of a remote. This could mean VR head gear you plug an independent remote into seperate from the one in your hand, it could mean the mic is built into the analog egg piece, it could mean Nintendo wants to shoot its nose off by making a seperate egg piece with a built in mic but without the analog stick, and it could mean we will have a lot of cords coming off the remote in our hand. What I mean by that last option is that Nintendo may have attachments that allow us to plug multiple items into a single remote such as an egg piece (or traditional shell), an ear piece mic, and charger cord all at once.
I wonder if this secret may be a packaged in DDR style pad. I'm not such a fan of DDR's use of it for basically Simon Says, but in a game like Zelda you could run as fast as you stomp and be able to use two remotes at once to control the shield and sword. You could also be able to control with your feet turning, strafing, and jumping.
I read another quote from the man yesterday; he says, “People’s idea that video games were American grade school kids with their face pressed up against the TV made us want to design the new controller. Boring things will become interesting. But, I can’t say any more.”
He takes aim at the TV again; I love it. This could give weight to a real 3D projection system or augmented reality.
Post by: King of Twitch on December 03, 2005, 01:44:50 PM
edit: Er nm, the nunchuck movement might lead to ripping the earbud out of your ear.
Post by: slacker on December 03, 2005, 03:09:37 PM
Post by: zakkiel on December 03, 2005, 05:54:18 PM
QuoteHurray for $100 dollar controllers capable of intimidating even the most hardcore gamer, let alone non-gamers! And why anyone would want a touch-pad instead of an analog stick is absolutely beyond me. Besides which, they really need those two trigger buttons on the nunchuck attachment.
My guess is that a gameboy micro is built right into the controller somewhere or there is a pressure sensitive touch pad on the remote that will be the new d-pad. This would eliminate the nunchuck attachment and make the remote darn close to complete.
A VR headset would probably eliminate my need for Nintendo. "Augmented reality" will be mass-marketed approximately one day after personal jetpacks and flying cars become the norm.
Post by: nemo_83 on December 03, 2005, 06:30:11 PM
I'm totally getting a jetpack, a zeplin, and a submarine when the future arrives.
Post by: zakkiel on December 04, 2005, 08:39:07 AM
QuoteIf that's intended to be sarcasm, you probably shouldn't have picked devices that perfectly illustrate my point. Unless you happen to own a submarine and/or zeppelin?
Originally posted by: nemo_83
I'm totally getting a jetpack, a zeplin, and a submarine when the future arrives.
Post by: wandering on December 04, 2005, 09:22:39 AM
Can you dig it?
Post by: Strell on December 04, 2005, 09:45:55 AM
If that happened.
I would freely give ....favors to everyone at Nintendo.
Post by: nemo_83 on December 04, 2005, 12:27:01 PM
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Originally posted by: zakkielQuoteIf that's intended to be sarcasm, you probably shouldn't have picked devices that perfectly illustrate my point. Unless you happen to own a submarine and/or zeppelin?
Originally posted by: nemo_83
I'm totally getting a jetpack, a zeplin, and a submarine when the future arrives.
I was just joking about how the future never arrived. We're suppossed to have holograms, flying cars, men on Mars, and more by now. But the zeplin is going to make a comeback I'm telling you.
As far as technologies that affect videogames go I believe we'll see augmented reality long before 3D holographic projection. Holograms are too expensive (they're the stuff science fiction is made of); augmented reality offers the same effect at a fraction of the cost.
Thus I come to the following dumping of quotes.
I believe the following is the latest quote from Miyamoto in its entirety.
“People’s idea that video games were American grade school kids with their face pressed up against the TV made us want to design the new controller. Boring things will become interesting. But, I can’t say any more.”
It makes me believe he has a beef with TVs. He has talked many times about breaking the tradition of needing the TV. He has said before:
"It's convenient to make games that are played on TVs. But I always wanted to have a custom-sized screen that wasn't the typical four-cornered cathode-ray-tube TV. I've always thought that games would eventually break free of the confines of a TV screen to fill an entire room. But I would rather not say anything more about that."
What he says makes me think of either 3D projection or stereoscopic virtual reality headgear one plugs a reVmote into seperate from the one(s) held in the hand(s). This would get rid of any worries about not having an analog stick when dual wielding remotes.
He's definately talking about the controller in the latest quote, but he is saying that the inspiration for the controller's motion capture spawned from their disappointment with the stationary televsion.
I stole the following from a blog, but it relates to this topic.
"Akihiro Hino (producer at Level 5, ´True Fantasy Live Online´, ´Dragon Quest VIII´) believes that the Revolution will give birth to new types of games. He is personally interested in making an RPG where you hold a shield in one hand, a sword in the other and mount a head set on our head"
Also here are two quotes from n-sider.com
"We invented the current way a console is played - in front of a television and holding a controller - but maybe that image will change." - Satoru Iwata, Nintendo President
May 13, 2004
"The concept of a home system today is defined as hardware that you tether to a box (TV), and you are tethered to it via a controller; we think that's an old paradigm."
- Reginald Fils-Aime
January 01, 2005
Post by: Don'tHate742 on December 04, 2005, 01:11:43 PM
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Originally posted by: wandering
Oh snap - I just remembered. The origiinal splitable controller patent - the one that was disguised as a patent for the DK bongos, mentioned that games could be put directly into the controller and the controller could be directly connected to the tv. Classic games on the go!
Can you dig it?
My God! Your definitely on to something!
Post by: trip1eX on December 04, 2005, 01:49:36 PM
I know Miyamoto thinks about getting away from the TV but I just don't see that happening next year. 3d projection or whatever isn't there. Possibly the Revolution could be a projector too. But I don't see much of the customer base having the room for a projector and the expensive would be too great for a $200 machine.
Post by: MrMojoRising on December 05, 2005, 12:01:37 AM
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Originally posted by: wandering
Oh snap - I just remembered. The origiinal splitable controller patent - the one that was disguised as a patent for the DK bongos
That was a patent for the DK bongos...you're just crazy. You're not going to find anything interesting in patents ever, the patents get published months, sometimes years after the product has been shown publicly.
Post by: wandering on December 05, 2005, 12:50:23 AM
Oh, as for the 3d thing....I think it's happening. Not with a special monitor (the controller videos showed a tv....although Nintendo is tricksy), but in some other way. Like 3d glasses.
Regardless, there's almost certianly something special/secretive about the graphics. Nintendo had no qualms about giving us a tech demo on non-final hardware at spaceworld 2000...you'd think that they'd be willing to do the same thing now, especially when it could really help sell the functionality of the controller - unless there's some things they don't want us to see yet.
...Or maybe they're just holding back on showing graphics for strategic/marketing reasons, I don't know.
Post by: Dasmos on December 05, 2005, 01:20:15 AM
Post by: couchmonkey on December 05, 2005, 04:51:09 AM
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Originally posted by: wandering
Regardless, there's almost certianly something special/secretive about the graphics. Nintendo had no qualms about giving us a tech demo on non-final hardware at spaceworld 2000...you'd think that they'd be willing to do the same thing now, especially when it could really help sell the functionality of the controller - unless there's some things they don't want us to see yet.
I disagree. I'm not saying that there's nothing special about the graphics - anything's possible - but I don't think Nintendo hiding demos from us is proof. Nintendo has said a few times that it doesn't want people to see graphics without playing the games. I think Nintendo wants to make sure the press gets the full experience immediately instead of looking at pictures and guessing how the games might play...because then they can make assumptions, and those assumptions may not all be flattering.
Post by: MrAustin on December 05, 2005, 07:35:34 AM
I have no doubts that the Revolution will have strong DRM techniques in place to prevent this type of blatant abuse, but hackers love cracking DRM, and Nintendo has always been a very forward-thinking company when it comes to piracy.
I don't see it happening.
Post by: Ian Sane on December 05, 2005, 08:19:05 AM
This is feasible though not exactly like the GB Player which didn't require a GBA. What if you still played on your DS, and thus used the touchscreen, but you could see the contents of the DS screens on your TV? Now some games absolutely require you to look at the screen you are touching. But some don't so you could play them on the TV with no problems. Something like Metroid Prime Hunters where the touchscreen isn't even meant to be viewed while playing would work perfectly. I think an ideal feature would to have the option of seeing both screens or only one or the other.
Plus remember that both the touchscreen and the remote effectively act like a mouse. They could add a cursor for when you play DS games on the Rev to show you where the remote is pointing. Then pushing the A button represents a touch. When you move the remote normally it's like hovering over the screen with the stylus while moving the remote while holding the A button is like pressing the stylus against the screen. Now I'll admit that this wouldn't quite feel as immersive as a touchscreen for something like Warioware Touched. But it would work great for games like Advance Wars or Castlevania and it would give people the option of seeing their DS games on a TV.
Post by: JonLeung on December 05, 2005, 08:40:29 AM
Super NES & Game Boy via Super Game Boy
Nintendo 64 & Game Boy Color via Transfer Pak (okay, it was only for Pokémon/Perfect Dark/Mario Tennis...)
GameCube & Game Boy Advance via GBA-GCN Cable or Game Boy Player
The Revolution and the DS are both capable of connecting wirelessly on their own and also via Wi-Fi to others farther away. It would be easier to get on the connectivity bandwagon than with the GBA-GCN push that was really more of a wimpy shove, at least compared to expectations.
And it's true that the motion sensors make the controller like the DS's touchscreen (along with a third dimension). So you could play DS games on the big screen, if you had a microphone, too.
A microphone is a likely controller attachment but I'm not sure how many people would play their DS games on the big screen...anyone know how well the Super Game Boy and Game Boy Players sold?
Post by: KDR_11k on December 05, 2005, 08:51:59 AM
The DS broadcasts the images on its screens via RF, I remember someone partially picking the signal up with a room antenna and the demo units at the GC-Leipzig had two TVs above them showing the screen contents. Nintendo probably built that in for those demo units so spectators wouldn't have to look at the tiny screen. If that signal was reverse engineered you could probably build a 10$ unit that'll pick up the DS signal and show it on your TV.
Post by: trip1eX on December 05, 2005, 09:46:47 AM
The secret is some kind of new (to videogames) tech. Virtual Boy goggles? That's the only way I can see them doing some weird 3d stuff, but with the controller tech demo and talk of sensors by your tv I don't see this happening besides it's not something alot of folks will like to do.
I still don't think it's the mic thing. That's been done before with other consoles and a headset.
If it's not a new tech it's something to do with the games. LIke having the ability to map the controls of old games to the new controller anyway you want to. And/or playing with different characters in different games like they sort of mentioned before.
Post by: Ian Sane on December 05, 2005, 10:12:33 AM
With Nintendo that's not necessarily good enough evidence to prove that they wouldn't. Gamecube "click" triggers wasn't really something to keep a big secret either.
Post by: PaLaDiN on December 05, 2005, 10:40:40 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 05, 2005, 11:07:55 AM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
"That's just not something to keep a big secret"
With Nintendo that's not necessarily good enough evidence to prove that they wouldn't. Gamecube "click" triggers wasn't really something to keep a big secret either.
How about that DS touch screen, eh?
Post by: Ian Sane on December 05, 2005, 11:22:47 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on December 05, 2005, 11:27:44 AM
Post by: JonLeung on December 06, 2005, 11:46:41 AM
Like we haven't heard THAT before.
Post by: wandering on December 06, 2005, 09:40:10 PM
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If it were true that you could get an adapter to hook the Revolutoin controller up to a TV through standard RCA cables and play classics on the go, it would be awesome. However, what is to stop someone from going out and purchasing a controller, taking it to their friend's house to load up on games, then keeping that and having retro goodness?
I have no doubts that the Revolution will have strong DRM techniques in place to prevent this type of blatant abuse, but hackers love cracking DRM, and Nintendo has always been a very forward-thinking company when it comes to piracy.
I don't see it happening.
Well, keep in mind that while Nintendo obviously wants to make money on game downloads, their first priority is selling more revs.
Besides, Nintendo'd find a way to do it super-securely. For example, cracking DRMs would be mighty hard for hackers if you couldn't even load games onto a computer.
Post by: Don'tHate742 on December 08, 2005, 05:57:04 PM
The REV secret that will be displayed May, 9th must be huge. The venue they are going to use in none other than the Kodak Theater. It is where the Oscar acedemies is held. This place is huge, being able to site roughly 3,500-5,000 people.
It seems that Nintendo's taking the whole Hollywood code name a bit serious.
Anyway, at last E3, Nintendo used something 3 times smaller.
May, 9th is my new Never Happening.
Post by: PaLaDiN on December 08, 2005, 06:01:59 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 08, 2005, 06:03:47 PM
Post by: Hostile Creation on December 08, 2005, 06:04:35 PM
I don't remember the trigger clicks being a huge important secret, but I wasn't a big user of the internets for Nintendo info back then. So who knows.
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 08, 2005, 06:08:23 PM
WHAT: Nintendo’s E3 Media Briefing
WHEN: Briefing begins at 9:30 a.m. on Tuesday, May 9, 2006.
WHERE: Kodak Theatre (home of the Academy Awards), Hollywood & Highland Center, 6801 Hollywood Blvd., Hollywood, CA 90028
WHY: You know why.
Post by: Don'tHate742 on December 08, 2005, 06:09:11 PM
Post by: Artimus on December 08, 2005, 06:16:06 PM
Post by: PaLaDiN on December 08, 2005, 06:44:40 PM
What I think about the Revolution hinges on what games will be shown there. The Rev better also be playable at E3, since Nintendo's making such a big deal about not seeing the games until you can play them.
Right now the Rev is just a really cool concept to me... Nintendo better have a hell of a showing in 5 months.
Post by: norebonomis on December 08, 2005, 08:30:41 PM
let me point something out to you. the ds CAN DO 3D ON BOTH SCREENS.
the rev will be similar to the ds in that it will put out two separate video siginals.
steroscopic viewing is coming on rev. i can feel it. omg i totaly sound like a phanboy.
it just seems logical to me.
it will either be compatible with naked-eye 3d monitors or a head mounted goggle set-up.
i'm sure in the past 20 years of virtual reality r&d they have solved the headache problem.
and nintendo always brings us cost-effective innovation
and 360 is a peice of you know what....
Post by: wandering on December 08, 2005, 08:41:20 PM
If they sell tickets to lay people and fill a 3000+ seat theatre for the rev's unveiling, they'd be pretty much guaranteed to get some good mainstream press coverage.
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 08, 2005, 08:43:23 PM
Is the sky blue? They will fill every seat and there'll be a score of people outside whimpering...
Post by: norebonomis on December 09, 2005, 08:15:25 AM
this is just what i've read i have no idea...
Post by: Ian Sane on December 09, 2005, 08:24:06 AM
That would make more sense. Isn't this sort of thing press only? What do they need 3000 seats for? Why would the amount of press present (hee hee aliteration) need to be any different then the Cube reveal or any pre-E3 press conference?
Nintendo could attract 3000 people easily if this was open to the public. But for press only they really won't need that much space.
Post by: PaLaDiN on December 09, 2005, 08:37:44 AM
Well last year their space was completely packed. Remember the whole Fire Marshall thing? Heh.
