Post by: ruby_onix on December 01, 2005, 02:49:06 PM
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Which kind of storage medium do you think the Revolution is going to use? Since I've read great things about Sony's Blu-Ray disc.
Richard, 16
The Revolution will initially use a proprietary disc standard developed between Nintendo and Panasonic. It uses 12 gig capacity discs. However, with a hardware attachment planned, it is quite possible more DVD standards will be supported in the future.
It's possible that this may have been a typo, since Nintendo said they're going to use 12cm discs. But he does say "capacity" specifically. Or maybe it was a misunderstanding.
Either way, it does seem likely, since you can cram in more storage with custom discs than you can with the standard ones (GameCube notwithstanding). Sega managed to get 1GB out of CDs that were 700MB at the time. DVD9 (Xbox360's format, and the Rev's previously leaked/misquoted/rumored format) has just under 9GB, FYI.
Post by: ThePerm on December 01, 2005, 02:51:16 PM
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Post by: JonLeung on December 01, 2005, 04:49:16 PM
Not that anyone would NEED a whole terabyte, but I'd like for people to not make excuses about Nintendo's format never holding as much as the competition. With a full terabyte, you could easily laugh at a measley 50-100 GB or whatever it is that Blu-Ray will be.
Yeah, I know it's unlikely. Probably unnecessary and too costly to be worth it. But it would still be nice.
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Post by: BigJim on December 02, 2005, 12:12:31 AM
Nintendo hasn't said anything about the storage capacity. My guess is a plain 4.7GB or 9GB capacity since that's the least complex way to maintain compatibility with Cube games and DVDs.
It's also not possible for "more DVD standards to be supported in the future" since there are physical differences between the standards. You can't remove a DVD dongle and replace it with a theoretical blu-ray one. The entire drive would have to be replaced because the equipment is different.
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Post by: majortom1981 on December 02, 2005, 06:55:12 AM
They did it before with the game cube.
Post by: BigJim on December 02, 2005, 09:03:04 AM
There's no doubt it'll be proprietary. Cube discs are still somewhat based on existing standards. They're basically just mini-DVDs but with registration marks along the inside margin and game data only on the second layer.
Using an abnormal storage capacity isn't impossible... I just wouldn't peg it as likely. But I guess we'll see.
Post by: Caliban on December 02, 2005, 10:40:46 AM
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Originally posted by: JonLeung
With a full terabyte, you could easily laugh at a measley 50-100 GB or whatever it is that Blu-Ray will be.
Blu-Ray is approximately 24GB, but if it's two-sided or dual-layered the max is approximately 50GB. So I guess that if these 1TB discs exist then they are using the Green part of the spectrum to burninate them, cool, that's good news.
Post by: manunited4eva22 on December 02, 2005, 06:45:24 PM
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I'd like Nintendo to adopt the 1 TB discs...I forgot where I read about them but since they're practically a generation above HD-DVD/Blu-Ray, Nintendo wouldn't have to worry about piracy if it really became a standard several years down the road.
Not that anyone would NEED a whole terabyte, but I'd like for people to not make excuses about Nintendo's format never holding as much as the competition. With a full terabyte, you could easily laugh at a measley 50-100 GB or whatever it is that Blu-Ray will be.
Yeah, I know it's unlikely. Probably unnecessary and too costly to be worth it. But it would still be nice.
Highlighted the part that was practical.
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So I guess that if these 1TB discs exist then they are using the Green part of the spectrum to burninate them, cool, that's good news.
It uses a combination of blue-green and red lasers to get the holographic image.
Post by: Artimus on December 02, 2005, 06:50:01 PM
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 03, 2005, 09:31:35 AM
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Originally posted by: BigJim
The author doesn't know what he's talking about.
Nintendo hasn't said anything about the storage capacity. My guess is a plain 4.7GB or 9GB capacity since that's the least complex way to maintain compatibility with Cube games and DVDs.
It's also not possible for "more DVD standards to be supported in the future" since there are physical differences between the standards. You can't remove a DVD dongle and replace it with a theoretical blu-ray one. The entire drive would have to be replaced because the equipment is different.
you can't replace it with Blu-ray one, but you could replace it with a VMD one
(VMD) Versatile Multilayer Disc
uses current red-laser tech and only needs a sofware upgrade.
Post by: BranDonk Kong on December 03, 2005, 06:02:58 PM
Post by: ThePerm on December 03, 2005, 06:22:33 PM
imagine...."this game couldnt be made for xbox 360 because it doesnt have enough space. We used revolution as the base console because it was easier to aim at space then either ps3 or 360."
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 03, 2005, 07:00:16 PM
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Originally posted by: ThePerm
maybe it will be some proprietary disk that is somewhere between blue-ray and dvd9..just to one-up ms in storage space.
imagine...."this game couldnt be made for xbox 360 because it doesnt have enough space. We used revolution as the base console because it was easier to aim at space then either ps3 or 360."
Did you miss my post on VMD's or what? upto 50 gb on red laser tech using existing DVD drives only needing a software upgrade & its fully backwards compatible with standard DVD. Not to mention that it cost just as much to manufacture as DVD 9 does today.
Am I the only one that sees this tech or something similar to it as the most-likely scenario?
Post by: Epitaph on December 03, 2005, 08:16:41 PM
Heres some good articles explaining how it works
http://computer.howstuffworks.com/holographic-memory.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holographic_memory
Its very unlikely that it uses that as others have pointed out.
I think it must be some kind of feedback that lets you know when you hit something and allows it not to mess up the game.
Post by: wandering on December 03, 2005, 10:08:24 PM
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imagine...."this game couldnt be made for xbox 360 because it doesnt have enough space. We used revolution as the base console because it was easier to aim at space then either ps3 or 360."
More like....
Game studio: "We made this game exclusively for xbox 360 in spite of it's low storage space because we felt that it provided the best environment to suit our creative needs."
Reporter: "Um...excuse me, is that hat you're wearing made out of money?
Game studio: "Why yes. Yes it is."
Post by: BigJim on December 04, 2005, 12:42:45 AM
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Am I the only one that sees this tech or something similar to it as the most-likely scenario?
I think the most likely scenario is no special upgrade to the DVD drive at all. The storage space would be a 80-90% waste unless there was something especially demanding about the games that we're still unaware of. They won't even use HD-grade textures. BUT if for some reason storage capacity ran dry, I guess this would be the closest idea to a solution.
