Post by: kirby_killer_dedede on November 28, 2005, 11:54:23 AM
Post by: KnowsNothing on November 28, 2005, 12:08:45 PM
Post by: Ian Sane on November 28, 2005, 12:18:03 PM
1UP.com has the May 9th date too so I think it's pretty legit. Of course Nintendo could still show us something before then. But I doubt it. The hiding of information is so damn illogical that it MUST be intentional. They're waiting for May 9 or else they would have given us more info already.
Post by: Artimus on November 28, 2005, 12:33:00 PM
Post by: King of Twitch on November 28, 2005, 12:34:46 PM
Post by: KnowsNothing on November 28, 2005, 12:43:27 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on November 28, 2005, 12:51:32 PM
Post by: King of Twitch on November 28, 2005, 12:59:09 PM
Unless they've changed their minds since November 18th.
Post by: The Omen on November 28, 2005, 12:59:59 PM
Post by: Pale on November 28, 2005, 01:19:39 PM
Post by: Renny on November 28, 2005, 01:20:43 PM
Post by: Avinash_Tyagi on November 28, 2005, 01:33:16 PM
Post by: Karl Castaneda #2 on November 28, 2005, 01:38:32 PM
Post by: PaLaDiN on November 28, 2005, 02:45:04 PM
Seriously, what exactly are people seeing in this email?
Post by: cubist on November 28, 2005, 03:52:00 PM
Back on topic: Nintendo is definitely going to try and generate some pre-E3 buzz (as they've done in the past)...that's a given. My whole concern is waiting to release info on May 9th...definitely not the way to disseminate information and creating some mo' going into E3.
I'll be there for this one though. Nintendo better have one hell of a show lined up for E3...or Reggie will have his name taken by the Planet Gamecube Forums firing squad.
Post by: BiLdItUp1 on November 28, 2005, 06:45:42 PM
It's sad that we keep talking about nothing, everyone making the same points over and over. It's Nintendo's fault, they're not giving us enough to talk about.
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 28, 2005, 06:57:59 PM
Post by: wandering on November 28, 2005, 08:09:03 PM
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WHY: You know why.
ahaha.
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
Wow May 9. That's only like a hundred years from now in console war time. The Xbox 360 will have been in stores for about six months by then. The Gamecube had difficulty competing against the PS2's head start and we actually saw some Cube footage prior to the PS2 launch.
If May 9 is a hundred years away, then the rev's launch is something like 200 years away. And if that's the case, why hype it now?
Besides, I think Nintendo has been advertising Revolution pretty heavily lately.
How's that, you ask? By pushing the 'Nintendo' name like never before. Nintendo Wifi connection! Mario Kart for Nintendo DS! From Russia with love for Nintendo GameCube! I've been hearing 'Nintendo' more than even playstation or xbox on tv. Add to that the fact that showing the controller has seemingly won the Revolution the right to be mentioned along with ps3 whenever a news article decides to give passing mention to upcomming consoles in a story about xbox 360 - and I think Nintendo's doing a-ok publicity-wise.
The thing that's really exciting, though, is that when the Revolution will ultimatley be revealed, it'll be a huge deal. Heck, just them showing the controller was a huge deal. Compare that with the competition....how many people would've cared if Microsoft had held an exclusive event for the unveiling of the 360 controller? How many people did care that much when ps3 games were unveiled?
The other neat thing is that, when the rev is ultimatley unveiled, not only will the ps3 and xbox 360 be old news, but the rev will be on sale soon after it's exciting unveiling. Nintendo will come out of nowhere and hit people over the head with this amazing new product, and then sit back and laugh as people, instead of noting it as an interesting item and forgetting about it, actually add it to their christmas wish-lists. As an added bonus, until the unveiling, there's nothing to distract consumers from Nintendo's current lineup of delicious games and systems. And yet, at the same time, Nintendo is constantly keeping us aware of the Revolution's existance NOW, which serves to keep people from dismissing it entirely in the face of the competition, and keeps people writhing with antici.........pation.
All in all, it seems like a pretty good strategy to me.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on November 28, 2005, 09:53:11 PM
Post by: 31 Flavas on November 29, 2005, 02:17:54 AM
QuoteAnd what does that matter, the PS3 won't have been out very long either, if at all, so I guess the PS3 is D0omed as well.
Originally posted by: Ian Sane
Wow May 9. That's only like a hundred years from now in console war time. The Xbox 360 will have been in stores for about six months by then. ... [stuff about vaporware]
Post by: mantidor on November 29, 2005, 03:10:37 AM
Post by: jakeOSX on November 29, 2005, 03:40:28 AM
as for may 9th... what I am hoping is that it is an unveiling, that leads to a june release.
Post by: couchmonkey on November 29, 2005, 04:49:18 AM
I'm sure Nintendo will have a big show at E3. It's pretty much impossible not to have a big show when you've got new hardware. Heck, PSP and Xbox 360 were barely even playable at their E3 unveilings and people were still ga-ga over them. Nintendo, on the other hand, will definitely have something to play.
31 Flavas: I agree that Ian is overreacting, but Microsoft's lead could mean more to Nintendo than Sony, seeing as Sony has had the best-selling home consoles for about 8 years, while Nintendo's home consoles have been selling worse with each generation. There are something like 80 million PS2 owners that might be waiting for PS3, and there are something like 18.5 million Gamecube owners that might be waiting for Revolution.
Post by: Ian Sane on November 29, 2005, 06:17:11 AM
Apple and orange or at least different types of apples anyway. The PS3 has had some footage shown for it. It's debatable how real the footage it but there's something. We also know more about what games are in the works. Tekken 6, Virtua Fighter 5, Metal Gear Solid 4 and Resident Evil 5 for example are all confirmed and have at least a trailer. There's something specific to get interested in. You can say "I want THAT" and then justify waiting for the PS3 for it. You can't do that with the Rev. It's just conceptual right now.
Post by: Dirk Temporo on November 29, 2005, 07:41:28 AM
Post by: 31 Flavas on November 29, 2005, 07:44:47 AM
Ok, so nintendo should jump on the bandwagon and just release fictitious specs and video. If the specs change its the fanboys falut for believing they would be true. And the video, feh, just something for the fanboys to dry hump to.
We also know more about what games are in the works. Tekken 6, Virtua Fighter 5, Metal Gear Solid 4 and Resident Evil 5 for example are all confirmed and have at least a trailer. There's something specific to get interested in.
Never mind that we have Smash Brothers Rev, Metroid Prime 3, FF : CC Rev, and "new miyamoto IP", to look forword to... naw they don't count. They don't have fictitious video trailers assocated with them.
You can say "I want THAT" and then justify waiting for the PS3 for it. You can't do that with the Rev. It's just conceptual right now.
Let me guess, the confirmation of the basic size/shape of the final product, virtual console, online gaming, and revolutionary controller don't count either? It only matters that it can do xxx bazillion jigaflops per second, theorically, right?
Post by: 31 Flavas on November 29, 2005, 07:47:57 AM
QuoteWhere did you hear that?
Originally posted by: Dirk Temporo
So uh... What happened to Nintendo's whole "all details will be released before the end of the year" thing?
Post by: JonLeung on November 29, 2005, 08:47:33 AM
Anyway, I think my point was, every bit more info that's released eventually drips down to some of the general populace, but it truly doesn't hit until the marketing begins. I'd bet there are quite a few people who are looking forward to the PS3 who aren't even aware a MGS4 trailer even exists, for instance.
But for those at-least-slightly-web-savvy gamers who are at least aware of gaming news info on the web, it is easier to point to a MGS4 trailer and get an idea of what is there. Even if you've never played previous MG games you know what it is. If someone had never played a SSB game, they couldn't have much excitement about the next one before any visual confirmation of the game exists. Plus, a screenshot or trailer is more memorable than a tiny snippet of info to someone who isn't a major fan. If Nintendo's going to try and create more fans, just a bit of info isn't enough. Confirmation that a new SSB is in the works really only keeps the SSB fans intrigued, you need at least a trailer to get non-fans to even notice it.
Post by: Ian Sane on November 29, 2005, 09:11:50 AM
They don't count because they don't have trailers or any footage at all. These are just names thrown out. You can't get excited about them if you have no idea what they look like or what they play like. We have no details on these at all aside from "yeah we're making them" as if Nintendo making a new Metroid game was a big scoop or something.
How do you really get excited for "new Miyamoto IP"? None of us know at all what that is.
And JonLeung nailed it on the head regarding how relevant non-visual information is to non-fans. The hardcore will wait but we'll wait no matter what. Nintendo is just going to continue going down if they only focus on the die-hard Nintendo fans. At the very least they need the general gaming community to be on board.
You'll NEVER convince a Nintendo sceptic to buy a Rev based on the information we have now. You have to be able to show them something.
Plus it's a pretty lousy strategy for a company that significantly underdelivered and in some cases just outright lied to its fans ("we'll reveal online plans at a later date") last gen to rely on people to hold out and have blind faith. My faith in Nintendo is the lowest it has ever been. Not even the entire Nintendo fanbase is optimistic about their future. We need more than "trust us it will be great". The last time they said that we got connectivity. Nintendo's word isn't good enough right now.
So you have large sections of your hardcore fanbase who don't trust you anymore and whose patience is hanging by a thread and a market and industry that largerly no longer gives a sh!t about you at all anymore and a media that just outright ignores you and your strategy is to reveal virtually NOTHING while the competition markets the hell out of their products? How does this strategy make any sense at all?
Post by: BiLdItUp1 on November 29, 2005, 09:49:09 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on November 29, 2005, 10:04:10 AM
Post by: BigJim on November 29, 2005, 10:16:27 AM
How many are waiting for Revolution exclusively? The diehard Nintendo fan is sadly a dying breed. Even Nintendo thinks it'll be a secondary system.
There's a lot of noise in the mainstream right now. It would only help Nintendo to show something while there is still some media attention on video games.
Post by: 31 Flavas on November 29, 2005, 11:55:52 AM
So why did everyone get all excited about PSP GTA. Where were 6-month or 1-Year early screenshots and videos? And lack of videos/screenshots/trailers doesn't stop anyone from getting all excited about HALO 3 for x360. Where are the screen shots / videos of it?
And JonLeung nailed it on the head regarding how relevant non-visual information is to non-fans.
And we have plenty of non-visual information about the Revolution. Why does it not matter to you? Maybe because Nintendo isn't getting into a graphics war? Nintendo has stated that they have no intention of making an uber hi-def machine like their competitors, that, for them, that direction (focusing on the hardcore gamer) is wrong. That should be plently enough information for you if you are only interested in hi-defintion and uber specs. I mean you are acting as if there is only one way to skin a cat / make a video game system.
Post by: ThePerm on November 29, 2005, 12:11:30 PM
Post by: pudu on November 29, 2005, 12:25:59 PM
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Originally posted by: ThePerm
i was playing perfect dark an i was moving arond the controller(as we all naturally do) and someone joked stop that...it wont help you..hahah its not revolution
I've been playing my N64 games recently too and got done with a rather long PD play session just a while ago. You can tell the best games when you don't really care about the graphics because they are just too fun. As far as moving the controller when playing...my dad has to be the champ. I can't get him to play often but he's been known to be quite the crazy Mario Kart racer, with his hands flying everywhere.
Post by: nemo_83 on November 29, 2005, 01:00:52 PM
Xbox 360, $399.
PS3 to smash it, $599.
Revolution to sink the industrial titanic, priceless.
Post by: ThePerm on November 29, 2005, 02:35:51 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on November 29, 2005, 02:40:02 PM
Post by: 31 Flavas on November 29, 2005, 02:44:21 PM
QuoteAnd i'm sure we'll get screenshots, video, trailers, but not until closer. I mean, even Xbox 360 didn't have live non fictitious footage until, what, the Burger King campain? And that was only a month, month and a half in advance? And we still do not have factual PS3 footage. So I wouldn't expect any video out of Nintendo until April / May.
Originally posted by: JonLeung
Plus, a screenshot or trailer is more memorable than a tiny snippet of info to someone who isn't a major fan. If Nintendo's going to try and create more fans, just a bit of info isn't enough. Confirmation that a new SSB is in the works really only keeps the SSB fans intrigued, you need at least a trailer to get non-fans to even notice it.
I just really don't think Nintendo has to go down the road of FF7 Tech demos / Simulated next gen football. They are doing fine on their own and if people like the final product, they'll purchase one. No need to get hysterical.
Post by: Dirk Temporo on November 29, 2005, 05:44:08 PM
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Originally posted by: 31 FlavasQuoteWhere did you hear that?
Originally posted by: Dirk Temporo
So uh... What happened to Nintendo's whole "all details will be released before the end of the year" thing?
They said it at either E3 or the TGS.
Post by: Caliban on November 29, 2005, 06:06:23 PM
Post by: Ian Sane on November 30, 2005, 10:19:11 AM
These are the results a poll taken at Tokyo Game Show 2005 that shows more gamers being interested in the Xbox 360 than the Rev. Of course this is a game show so it's going to be pretty much the hardcore but considering the Xbox was a total dud in Japan this isn't encouraging nonetheless. 1UP mentions that a major difference is that the X360 was playable at the show. But I think that's the whole point. One console is playable, has lots of information available, and is available in stores while another one is just vague announcements and pictures of the controller and console.
The Rev should be KILLING the X360 in any poll from ANY gamer in Japan. The Xbox is NOTHING in Japan. Anything Nintendo-made should crush it like an ant. That fact that it isn't shows to me that Nintendo needs to provide much more information regarding the Rev.
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 30, 2005, 11:26:52 AM
And think about it...TGS is a hardcore gamer function...Thus, few, if any, casual/non-gamers are there...This skews the poll yet again and is NOT proof of anything...
Post by: Renny on November 30, 2005, 11:34:13 AM
[Wrote a joke about 'hugging' pillows and dry cleaning. It wasn't funny, so I'll let you make up your own. lol sexbox]
Post by: BiLdItUp1 on November 30, 2005, 11:44:06 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on November 30, 2005, 12:03:11 PM
But isn't Nintendo supposedly an "and company"? Shouldn't they then care what hardcore gamers think? One common issue regarding the Rev is whether or not the non-gamer strategy will cast the hardcore aside. If Nintendo truly is an "and company" like Reggie says they are then they should care a lot what hardcore gamers think. If they don't then it just confirms all along that they don't care about the existing gamers. If that truly isn't the case I think it's very important that they establish that.
And it doesn't matter if the poll is skewed. This "news" is on a major gaming site. Losing out to the X360 in a poll like that is going to taint the view of the Rev for most who read the results. Okay maybe the poll doens't really mean anything but if they did this same poll back in 2001 I'll bet the Cube crushed the Xbox in Japan. Nintendo loses the popular vote on a few polls, it makes the gaming news, and negativity regarding the Rev spreads throughout. It happened with the Cube. Having a bad image in the console market is like a disease. It spreads and the more negative stories and negative rumours that go undenied come up the worse things get. For a company like Nintendo who has had an incredibly poor public image for the last 7 or 8 years these things are huge. In order to overcome the image of being the loser console the Rev has to be pretty much perfect. Well it's too late for that anyway by now but it's important that Nintendo provide less and less reasons for people to think negatively of them. "Japanese games prefer the X360" as a headline on a major gaming site is bad and if Nintendo wasn't so damn stingy on providing us with information the headline would never have existed or it would have said "Japanese gamers prefer the Rev over the X360". One less negative for the Rev and possibly a lost positive.
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 30, 2005, 05:04:23 PM
This is a stupid issue, and you are ignoring the topic...We are talking solely non-gamers here, and those non-gamers would add a crapload to the Rev's poll numbers...The fact that the Rev is so close to the 360 comparing NO games shown to ALL games shown means a lot, and you know that but you want to ignore it...And you ignored my remark about the PSP/DS ratio numbers even though the sales are quite contrary...And this "Oh, but Ninty said they are an "and" company" is such disgusting sarcasm...Oh let's see, every game announced thus far are those that cater to the hardcore crowd, so yeah, Ninty is REALLY ignoring the fanbase...I bring this up in EVERY FREAKING THREAD you go on this "Ninty doesn't cater to the hardcore" rant, so just knock it off...
And it doesn't matter if the poll is skewed. This "news" is on a major gaming site. Losing out to the X360 in a poll like that is going to taint the view of the Rev for most who read the results. Okay maybe the poll doens't really mean anything but if they did this same poll back in 2001 I'll bet the Cube crushed the Xbox in Japan. Nintendo loses the popular vote on a few polls, it makes the gaming news, and negativity regarding the Rev spreads throughout. It happened with the Cube. Having a bad image in the console market is like a disease.
Sadly, there is absolutely NOTHING Ninty can do about their image at this point...People will continue to bash Ninty to the end of time...Ninty's image can't possibly get any worse than it already is (which is actually improving at the moment)
You should know that Ninty is not reaching for the Xbots and Sonydrones...They wish to maintain their happy fanbase and introduce new gamers to the crowd...Stop whining that Ninty isn't pulling a Sony/MS with High Dollar, because I know EXACTLY what would happen then...You'd complain that Ninty can't pull marketshare, which is because Ninty can't possibly compete on the level of mudslinging and specifications that the other two can...Nintendo is going for something new, will hold onto their loyal fanbase, and will bring new gamers to the table, and all will be good...Except in Ianland...
