Post by: nemo_83 on November 20, 2005, 01:04:47 PM
Post by: Hans Beckert on November 20, 2005, 01:43:19 PM
Post by: Zach on November 20, 2005, 01:58:57 PM
MS fanboy: Sony sucks!!!!
Sony fanboy: MS sucks!!!
MS fanboy: You suck!!!
Sony fanboy: NO , You suck!!!
etcetera (sp?)
Post by: mantidor on November 20, 2005, 02:41:25 PM
Post by: Sir_Stabbalot on November 20, 2005, 03:52:59 PM
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Post by: ruby_onix on November 20, 2005, 05:07:48 PM
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It has the left analog stick in the same place, and thus cannot be comfortable...
Actually, the PS3 controller is like 1/2 or 1/4 of the size of a Dual Shock (it's like a GB Micro with no space wasted for that gigantic screen), so the analog stick isn't in the "same" place as it was before. It's much closer to everything else.
Which... apparently makes everything else about the controller a pile of crap.
Post by: darknight06 on November 20, 2005, 05:09:27 PM
Post by: PaLaDiN on November 20, 2005, 05:16:01 PM
Anyway, it doesn't matter. Sony could release crap on a stick and people would fall for it. I mean they've done it twice in a row now.
Post by: Artimus on November 20, 2005, 06:40:41 PM
Post by: Don'tHate742 on November 20, 2005, 08:23:06 PM
Gamecube first
Xbox S-type second
Dual-Shock third
They all had their strengths and their weaknesses, it's just that the GC had more and less.
As for the "I don't know whether to throw it or eat it" controller....what can I say that hasn't already been said?
Black&Mild: What the hell are you talking about? Heard from who? I pretty sure NO ONE other than Sony has touched the controller.
Post by: IceCold on November 20, 2005, 09:12:51 PM
Post by: mac<censored> on November 21, 2005, 02:22:06 AM
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So they're actually going with it? Wow..
Is it a surprise? Kutaragi went insane years ago.
Post by: KDR_11k on November 21, 2005, 03:47:45 AM
Post by: mantidor on November 21, 2005, 05:01:33 AM
Post by: Artimus on November 21, 2005, 05:48:18 AM
Post by: Stimutacs Addict on November 21, 2005, 06:51:32 AM
This might be a comfortable controller, but I think the Rev will win in comfort this round.. I want measurements of the Rev controller though.. I think it's just about the heght of my cell phone (archaic Nokia-POS around 15 cm/6 in)
Post by: Artimus on November 21, 2005, 07:12:59 AM
Post by: Spak-Spang on November 21, 2005, 07:52:08 AM
The X-box controllers weren't bad...but they weren't form fitting either.
Post by: WuTangTurtle on November 21, 2005, 07:56:46 AM
1. the d-pad, i've always hated how they are all seperated. After some time my fingers hurt, and they feel kinda edged.
2. The L & R triggers look oddly placed.
3. And a minor grudge i have is the face buttons, i still can't remember where x, square, circle, and triangle are without guessing, trial and error, or simply looking down. I understand a, b, x, and y thats simple but how do u logically know what comes first in button arrangements, alphabetically? Circle, Square, Triangle, and X? Maybe its chronologically..........hmmmm.........what came first the circle, square, triangle or perhaps the x?
By the way i think the xbox360 controller is the least flawed so far, i mean they got rid of those ridiculous black and white buttns and gave us L & R Triggers and Buttons, I gotta say i like that, however the analog stick is still the same and IMO i don't really feel comfortable with how it pushes inwards, it should be more like the GCN.
Post by: ThePerm on November 21, 2005, 08:31:53 AM
check out the oncep controllers for psx
Post by: attackslug on November 21, 2005, 08:59:42 AM
I can see that it isn't the general consensus here, but I liked the dual shock. Other than the shoulder buttons, which I still can't seem to accurately hit, it feels like what it is -- a souped up bootleg SNES contorller. I can't get used to the Xbox's controller (too uncomfortable, even the S), and on the GC controller, my thumb always hits the X button accidentally when playin games that require you to hold the A button (accelerating in fzero, mario kart, charging in metroid, etc).
Post by: Sir_Stabbalot on November 21, 2005, 10:33:27 AM
1: The Bananarang. Nothing left to say.
2: Taking a perfectly fine combat system in Star Wars: Galaxies and replacing it with a brand new one that was only tested for two weeks and released in a horribly buggy state.
3: Selling the PSP at a loss... When the company is in millions of dollars debt.
4: Expecting to sell the PS3 at a loss.
5: Advertising the PSP/PS3 as non-game systems.
Feel free to add more.
Post by: Ian Sane on November 21, 2005, 10:50:11 AM
I personally can't stand the Dualshock in general but in particular I hate the way the d-pad is split. Why haven't they fixed that yet? From day-one third party Playstation controllers offered "improved" d-pads. No one likes it so FIX IT. I don't like having shapes for button names either but at least with that they can justify keeping it for backwards compatibility.
But instead Sony has taken a horrible controller and made it worse. I don't even see what their plan is. Nintendo's controller design is the most oddball thing I've ever seen but it fits their strategy. They have a plan and if you follow that logic the controller makes sense. But with Sony it's like they're just doing weird ass sh!t because they think they can.
MS is the only console maker whose controller seems to be designed while not high. They're just taking what worked before and are tweaking it a little. They're also the only console maker who seems to want to just make a better console instead of changing console gaming forever (Nintendo) or getting as far away from gaming as they can (Sony). I wouldn't be surprised if the Xbox 360 ended up winning this next gen as Microsoft seems to have the most down-to-Earth logical low-risk plan of the bunch.
Post by: Caterkiller on November 21, 2005, 10:55:48 AM
As for the bananarang, I like its futuristic look. Looks like a it came out of a space ship, but for a gaming controller it looks to over the top for me. And though I don't judge befor I hold, I can't help but wonder how my fingers will feel on the shoulders of that thing.
Post by: stevey on November 21, 2005, 11:20:31 AM
$ony and ms both have sucky, crappy, horrible, oh god no, ect... controller and nintendo the only one that has a good controller. By the end everyone would have sold their ps360 and have gotting a revolution just for it's great controller!!![/fanboy] place your bets!!! What will the insane Kutaragi do next. 1 try to eat Himself 2 poop his pants 3 copy nintendo controller
Post by: KnowsNothing on November 21, 2005, 11:33:02 AM
Post by: PaLaDiN on November 21, 2005, 11:42:14 AM
The problem is that the improvement is negligible. Xbox 360 is not the next generation, it's this generation part 2. That's never happened before... when looking at successive systems, it's always immediately apparent what the improvements are. Xbox 360 is just a repackaged Xbox. I mean what's the biggest thing Microsoft has emphasized? It works on nicer TVs. The improvement isn't even something the console can take credit for. It just takes advantage of progress in TVs sold by other companies.
Post by: vudu on November 21, 2005, 12:00:25 PM
QuoteThe lack of a hard drive in the core package.
I mean what's the biggest thing Microsoft has emphasized?
Post by: Stimutacs Addict on November 21, 2005, 12:01:19 PM
Plus, I dont know many people who want to drop $500 to get a basic gaming setup (over $600 after final controller purchases and a few games... jeez!) If nintendo should get the Rev. out in a decent timeframe and launch at $200-250, Nintendo can't be stopped unless ignorance prevails (again).
However, this is just the launch period; perhaps the 360 will really hit it's stride mid-next year. Until then I think if anyone wants a new video game system they should buy a nintendo DS.
Post by: Sir_Stabbalot on November 21, 2005, 12:03:31 PM
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That's never happened before...
Actually it has. Remember the DreamCast?
Post by: PaLaDiN on November 21, 2005, 12:16:54 PM
I don't know about you but the DreamCast's graphics were pretty damn impressive when it came out. I played Powerstone and was just in shock that the characters didn't look blocky.
Post by: Avinash_Tyagi on November 21, 2005, 01:22:38 PM
Yup Its looking more and more like MS will take NA and maybe europe, and if ninty plays its cards right they might grab Japan.
Post by: Zach on November 21, 2005, 02:33:58 PM
If the PS is out of the picture then ninty will definately get japan, from what I have heard the Xbox is doing extremely poorly in japan, Nintendo would have to really **** up badly to lose japan to MS
Post by: nemo_83 on November 21, 2005, 03:10:22 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on November 22, 2005, 03:10:59 AM
Post by: couchmonkey on November 22, 2005, 06:14:38 AM
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I don't know about you but the DreamCast's graphics were pretty damn impressive when it came out. I played Powerstone and was just in shock that the characters didn't look blocky.
Amen! I thought the Dreamcast blew away the N64 and the PSX. Even comparing Xbox 360 to Dreamcast, I don't see as much improvement as Dreamcast to N64. (That's just my perception, the improvement may be even greater than Dreamcast if you go by the numbers, but it doesn't look better to me.)
Is Sony headed for a fall? Too early to say, IMO. I need to see pricing, playable games, and most of all, third party support before I decide. If Sony leads in third party support like it did the last two generations, it will probably win again.
The controller...I think Sony just wanted to try and make a cooler looking dual shock. The public reaction seems negative, but that could turn around. I agree that it looks uncomfortable, and I don't like how they've left a lot of the same problems in there, but if it turns out to be more comfortable than it looks then Sony gamers won't care that it has the same problems as the old controller.
Edit: changed last sentence to Sony gamers instead of just gamers.
Post by: ShyGuy on November 22, 2005, 09:23:36 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on November 22, 2005, 11:28:45 AM
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Post by: Nosferat2 on January 13, 2006, 10:07:00 AM
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Post by: JonLeung on January 13, 2006, 10:50:27 AM
I've played next to no WWII games, and I'm already very sick of them.
Post by: Ian Sane on January 13, 2006, 10:56:13 AM
KDR hit it on the head. I only care about Nintendo's market share in how it relates to more games I like being available on a Nintendo console. I really don't care about American third parties at ALL. American games by and large suck nuts unless a Japanese publisher is footing the bill (like Nintendo). I find that even average Japanese games still crush most American titles. It's too bad because back in the early 90s American PC devs were making amazing stuff. The American market is too commercial and nothing proves that more than EA (who is incapable of making games with any artistic merit) being number one.
So all I care about is Nintendo attracting more Japanese support from the Japanese third parties I like (so Koei support doesn't mean squat to me). Whatever market situation allows that is what I support. Though Nintendo has to do well enough in North America for those games to actually get localized.
Post by: Ending Walker Tropic on January 13, 2006, 03:25:26 PM
(So really when did this about face happen?)
Post by: Sir_Stabbalot on January 13, 2006, 04:14:44 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 13, 2006, 04:51:49 PM
Post by: Nosferat2 on January 13, 2006, 06:49:04 PM
Fact is we didnt get enough of these type of games. I want more and i suspect others do to, hence the xbox and ps2 dominance in the US. They cater to the US and Developers know this. Since games like these are more likely to sell there they get developed for those consoles and not NIntendo. I remember the outcry when RE4 and Killer 7 were announced on the PS2. We cried (yes i was upset too) that our exclusive gems were being whored out to the PS2. This was all preordained. Capcom already knew these games werent going to do as well as hoped so they Planned on porting the "Capcom 5" and cancelling one well before it was announnced.
Our crying about the PS2 ports should tell us something. We get so few of these quality games that we hold on to dear life when we get them and feel betrayed when they are whored out. That tells me that our beloved GC is exceedingly lacking on these type of games. If GC had the library of the PS2 i doudt the outcry of RE4 on PS2 would have been as potent. SO this is what im saying, I want NIntendo to try to win back the US so we get more good games or games in general for the US market. I care less who develops them as long as they get made. I have NO problem with Nintendo getting Japanese style games. I like some and others love them all. Which is good for them. But There is no reason why we cant have both.
Thats the crux of my issue. PS2 has billions of games for each market as did Nintendo back in the day. I wish for those days to return. I shouldnt have to wait years between Eternal Darkness and RE4 with only Metroid Echoes in between(actually there are a few others but still). I wish Geist was developed by Nintendo or some other Japanese company so it would have came out better. But its probably not N-spaces fault, Nintendo knew it was going to sell so neither put there best effort. Which is too bad for Giest and us, the Nintendo gamer. A good game that could have been great. Sigh...
All i want are more games like RE4 and Metroid, Eternal Darkness. These games are much more popular here in the US than in Japan, in which they are essentially hated. It matters not the place of origin. Japan in general dont like these types of games. RE4 in Japan didnt sell well and its a Japanese game. It did great here and i want more myself. Is that too much to ask. Is My wanting NIntendo to do better here so we get more of these type of games here outlandish? I dont think so. All i ask is that Nintendo put more effort in the US market and not concentrate soley in Japan as if we dont exist. NIntendo is a huge company and it can satisfy all of us. They just need to open their eyes a bit. Its in there best interest anyways. They will make the most money here. Welp here hopin for RE5 on the REV. lol now that i think of it, we may not even get RE5. Now that will blow. Nintendo better do something damnit. I dont want to hear that they dont know the hardware BS. Not much more is known about the PS3 to announce RE5 for it and not the REV. Damnit im pissed now thinking about it ergggg.....
later nosferatu
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 13, 2006, 07:16:11 PM
A developer can only do so much depending on SO LITTLE practical experience (and talent). Geist > StarFox Adventures, tho.
Post by: KDR_11k on January 13, 2006, 09:27:26 PM
PC gaming doesn't exist in Japan. Whether it's because PCs are huge and few people can fit one into an appartment or whether PC games cost 80$ I don't know.
Post by: mantidor on January 14, 2006, 01:43:01 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on January 14, 2006, 09:42:51 AM
Post by: wandering on January 14, 2006, 10:31:01 PM
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I want NIntendo to try to win back the US so we get more good games or games in general for the US market.
I agree that Nintendo shouldn't ignore the american market (and I don't think they are - they've made frequent reference to how the controller will be good for shooters even though shooters aren't popular in Japan, and the non-gamer issue is universal.) But I also find myself caring much more for how the rev does in Japan because, well, my sensibilities seem to be more Japanes than American. I care more about games like Pheonix Wright, Mario, Trauma Center, etc, than I do about Halo. I'm attracted to things which electronics which are small rather than gigantic. I prefer cute to cool. And I love the rev's controller, which, while I think it'll have universal appeal, was made with decidely Japanese sensibilities. In short, a big reason I think I love Nintendo so much is because they're so Japanese, and I cringe a little bit every time I hear someone say they need to pander more to Americans. Because I don't want them to start pandering to people other than me.
With that said, the rev doing poorly in America would be bad for a number of reasons. I don't want it to do badly here - in fact, I want it to be number one. But I wouldn't mind second, or even third place. So long as it's number one in Japan.
Post by: couchmonkey on January 19, 2006, 08:11:36 AM
