Post by: Knoxxville on November 16, 2005, 09:45:37 AM
The Revolution is a repackaged Gamecube.
Now, before you guys boo me off of the internet, here are some reasons why I've made such a bold statement.
1) Everyone knows that Nintendo isn't going HD, but instead will make developers ensure that all games are 480p. The Gamecube has always been capable of 480p, yet was rarely used. Theoretically, this would give Revolution owners that satisfying feel of "next level-ness", even though the guts haven't changed much from the 'Cube.
2) Iwata and Co. are always talking about how innovation, not "horsepower" is the direction they're headed. It's no secret that the 'Cube has quite a bit of life left in it. So why not reverse engineer it to accept some radical new input device? Plus, the Rev seems to be the only next gen system that is relatively easy to develop for......maybe that's because the developers have had the kits for going on......I don't know......almost 4 years now?
3) Speculators are placing the price range of the Rev somewhere between 200 to 250 TOPS. How can a next gen system be so cheap, you ask? BECAUSE IT'S A GAMECUBE! Unlike Microsoft and Sony, Nintendo isn't very big at taking a loss on anything. Therefore, re-engineering the 'Cube would be VERY cost effective. The best thing is, while Microsoft and Sony are losing per console, Ninty will be cleaning up!
4) This is the 1st Ninendo system to not only be backwards compatible (Game Boy excluded), but to also have the last gen console's controller AND memory card ports built in! If that doesn't raise any eyebrows, then you don't have any.
5) Zelda pushed back? Here's my take. Zelda is going to be the bridge between the 'Cube and the Rev. Play it on the 'Cube, and you get the full game in normal res. Play in in the Rev, and suddenly, it's in 480p, there are a few extra dungeons, and low and behold, Tingle is washing my Nintendog! XD
6) Now Nintendo is saying they may never, ever, EVA EVA EVA....reveal the specs on the Rev. This is the nail in the coffin!
Now, I'm not knocking Nintendo's hustle at all. The Rev is the nest gen console I 'm looking forward too the most! All I'm saying is, read what I have wrote objectively, and you will see that thiis possibility is quite plausible.
So!......what do you guys think? Ian?
Post by: Ian Sane on November 16, 2005, 10:19:53 AM
I think Zelda really is just going to be a Cube game because Nintendo is talking about the Rev controller as a new standard. So Twilight Princess is their last hurrah with the old method and the Rev is going off in a different direction.
I think Nintendo just isn't revealing the specs because they cut corners on it big time and don't want to officially reveal it. All this de-emphasis on technology is likely due to one thing: Nintendo are cheapskates and have no problem with shooting themselves in the foot in the long term if it means they still make a profit in the short term. They don't want to spend the money on extra hardware so they're not going to. Using a new controller and focusing on innovation is a good way for them to keep costs down while still having some way to attract attention from the more powerful consoles.
If the Rev was a Cube though we would find out within days after the first launch (Japan most likely) or some third party would spill the beans once the NPAs are up. In a way I think that's the most likely reason why it couldn't be a Cube. Nintendo could NEVER keep it a secret and it would be so damaging for Sony or MS to promote how Nintendo is just repackaging their old hardware. Personally I would consider it a RIP-OFF if it was literally the same thing and most of the general public would as well. It would be a total PR nightmare. This is something that would absolutely have to stay secret and there's no way it could. Nintendo would have to be incredibly stupid to do it, like in the realm where it's unbelievable for them to do it.
Post by: norebonomis on November 16, 2005, 10:19:57 AM
Post by: wandering on November 16, 2005, 10:20:53 AM
Though you're half right....it has been hinted that the hardware will essentially be modified cube hardware. Modified as in beefed up. Signifigantly.
edit: Ian mostly beat me to it.
Post by: vudu on November 16, 2005, 10:23:43 AM
QuoteThis will never happen. As you said yourself, the GameCube can output to 480p just fine; why would this feature be taken out of the GameCube version but added back in if you play it on Revolution? It just doesn't make sense.
Zelda is going to be the bridge between the 'Cube and the Rev. Play it on the 'Cube, and you get the full game in normal res. Play in in the Rev, and suddenly, it's in 480p, there are a few extra dungeons
Post by: majortom1981 on November 16, 2005, 11:23:41 AM
Not the eact hardware but close
The processor for the rev will be the same family but just upgraded speed. I think that processor family f i read the data sheet on it right goes up to 1ghz or 1.4 ghz.
they are using the same memory company and disc company and even the same graphics company (ati bought art x so they are tech the same)
I think it will be an upgraded gamecube. Nothing more.
instead of a 450 processor maybe an 800mhz processor. Instead of 64 of the ram that it had maybe 128 or 256.
See what i mean ? Maybe even double or tripple the disc capacity.
You cant just use the gc hardware because there are many more things added that will use up power like usb ports, wifi,managing the flash memory and the bluetooth for the wireless controllers.
My opinion its just an upgraded gc. maybe just doubling or trippling some things.
Post by: Knoxxville on November 16, 2005, 11:53:22 AM
Post by: Michael8983 on November 16, 2005, 01:11:53 PM
You may recall it released specs for the Gamecube which got a very negative reaction because ON PAPER the system seemed to be BY FAR the least powerful. Even the PS2 runs circles around the Gamecube if you compare specs. But we all know the reality. When it came to visuals the Gamecube beat the PS2 and actually stacked up against the XBox.
I think the REV will be the same deal. Tech-wise it may not look like much but it will at the very least match the competition in the visual department. The competitor's games may look better on HDTVs but the vast majority of us don't have 'em and won't anytime this decade.
Post by: Karl Castaneda #2 on November 16, 2005, 01:13:54 PM
Post by: ThePerm on November 16, 2005, 01:40:33 PM
Post by: Ian Sane on November 16, 2005, 01:46:32 PM
You may recall it released specs for the Gamecube which got a very negative reaction because ON PAPER the system seemed to be BY FAR the least powerful."
That's because Nintendo gave realistic estimates while everyone else gave unrealistic raw power specs. Had Nintendo played by the "rules" that would never have been a problem. They decided to be cute and do their own thing for no good reason and got burned for it.
If Nintendo can give raw specs out that are comparable to Sony's or Microsoft's they should. Though due to their general weirdness they might not. I still would bet they just aren't revealing them because no matter how you present it the Rev on paper looks inferior to the other consoles.
Post by: Hostile Creation on November 16, 2005, 01:52:53 PM
Post by: Dasmos on November 16, 2005, 02:02:44 PM
Post by: trip1eX on November 16, 2005, 02:04:51 PM
Also realize the Cube could have quite a bit less power than the 360, but outperform the 360 at 480i/p. Why? Because MS has set 720p as the design spec on the 360. When you play the game at the lower resolution you're not using a big chunk of the 360's power and they aren't adding in extras for 480i/p folks as far as I know. Same game at lower resolution equals less power used. Less memory is needed. You don't need as fast a cpu nor gpu.
Anyway it seems to me you're really only saying this because it ain't hi-def. And sure it's an upgraded Gamecube if you consider upgraded a faster cpu, gpu, more ram, usb ports, flash memory support, wi-fi, larger optical media support....
Post by: IceCold on November 16, 2005, 03:01:19 PM
Post by: zakkiel on November 16, 2005, 06:40:56 PM
QuoteHonesty is being cute now. Wow. You really should just become a Sony fan and be done with it.
Had Nintendo played by the "rules" that would never have been a problem. They decided to be cute and do their own thing for no good reason and got burned for it.
Nintendo's integrity has a lot to do with why I'm a Nintendo fan. I'm fairly confident that, if they printed music CDs, they wouldn't install spyware on my computer, for example.
Post by: Stimutacs Addict on November 18, 2005, 05:00:31 AM
If that happens this gen I'm going to kill Dick Cheney
Post by: couchmonkey on November 18, 2005, 10:51:33 AM
I think Nintendo is actually being the opposite of short-sighted. Microsoft and Sony think marginally improved graphics for $400+ US will sell. They are probably right, but will they sell as well as the current consoles? Nintendo doesn't think so, and I think Nintendo could be right. IGN reprinted a recent speech Reggie gave where he revealed some pretty grim numbers. Basically, the North American market is only expanding because nerds like us are buying more and more consoles. Console sales are going up, but the number of households with a console in them has barely changed since the days of the NES. If these claims are true, then the same slump that's happening in Japan can and probably will happen here. In that case, Nintendo has nothing to lose by trying to expand the market.
So Nintendo's strategy is to get non-gamers. Now lots of us think that strategy is crazy. Even I do. But if the only alternative is slow death while fighting two huge corporations that have many other interests besides videogames, I say Nintendo is going sane in a crazy world. This is where making a cheaper system comes in. What non-gamer is going to spend $300-$500 US on a piece of electronics they never felt was necessary until now?
For the record, I still think Nintendo should be offering HD support, but I think going with lower power to have a more attractive price is the right thing to do to make the non-gamer strategy work.
Post by: zakkiel on November 18, 2005, 11:17:11 AM
QuoteHow can Nintendo get away with selling a five-year-old console for the same price it had at launch, you ask? Easy: they can't.
3) Speculators are placing the price range of the Rev somewhere between 200 to 250 TOPS. How can a next gen system be so cheap, you ask? BECAUSE IT'S A GAMECUBE! Unlike Microsoft and Sony, Nintendo isn't very big at taking a loss on anything. Therefore, re-engineering the 'Cube would be VERY cost effective. The best thing is, while Microsoft and Sony are losing per console, Ninty will be cleaning up!
Why would Nintendo get ATI and Intel to develop new chips when they plan to use the same hardware, you ask? Easy: they wouldn't.
Honestly, I don't know why people continue to take this even half-way seriously.
Post by: StrainX on November 18, 2005, 01:48:07 PM
Post by: cubist on November 18, 2005, 03:39:29 PM
Post by: PaLaDiN on November 18, 2005, 03:56:00 PM
Post by: Artimus on November 18, 2005, 05:23:08 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on November 18, 2005, 07:29:07 PM
Post by: PaLaDiN on November 18, 2005, 10:21:30 PM
Fear not, that'll be one of the controller attachment modules.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on November 18, 2005, 10:46:18 PM
Post by: Knoxxville on November 19, 2005, 07:05:05 AM
Post by: Artimus on November 19, 2005, 07:52:33 AM
Post by: PaLaDiN on November 19, 2005, 08:09:40 AM
Are you new to this whole Nintendo fan thing?
Post by: Stimutacs Addict on November 19, 2005, 10:02:10 AM
Post by: Robageejammin on November 19, 2005, 12:02:25 PM
So, we know its not gonna look the same as the competition. But we also know its not gonna be any insane price like the competition. I mean, of course they could make the graphics better with no problem. But pricing is where they have their edge so they're sticking with it. I really think the Rev will be even cheaper than their usual console price this time around. It all fits into their "appealing to the non-gamer" strategy. They're cutting some horsepower to appeal to people who don't want to spend so much for a game system. I mean, Nintendo could probably release the Rev for $400 and we would all eventually get it, but why the hell would someone who hardly or never plays games buy it? If Nintendo wants the price down significantly then they have to cut some power. But knowing Nintendo, they will give the Rev as much power as they can squeeze out of their pricing.
So no, I don't think it will be a rehashed Gamecube, but I believe it will take some damage in the graphics department. Once again though, Nintendo will make it as good looking as it can be with all of their efforts so I dont think theres anything to worry about.
Just watch...Rev at $100 - $150
Post by: zakkiel on November 19, 2005, 12:32:22 PM
QuoteWhat if we are, in fact, the souls of aliens slaughtered by an evil alien overlord, brainwashed by giant soul brainwashing vats and clinging to human bodies?
Originally posted by: Knoxxville
You guys all make valid points too, but what if, just IF, it's all smoke and mirrors?
Post by: Artimus on November 19, 2005, 12:42:20 PM
Post by: StrainX on November 19, 2005, 10:40:43 PM
This same strategy will help the Revolution. Same kind of strategy in the design of hardware. A definite upgrade of hardware, but as people who build, built, or have bought custom computers, the price of technology is climbs unproportionately after you get to a certain level and reach the upper levels of avaliable tech. So there exist a certain level of technology where you are comfortable with, and with which will play games well, have good graphics, etc, but not cost buckets of money like the top of the line Alienware PC system. Whats important is that the Revolution has already gained the applaud of just about every 3rd party developer out there, having again reminded them of what making games is really about, and the creative possibilities of having both a unique input system, as well as a conventional controller. Again, I think that once the 3rd parties latch on to here, the same strategy will play out as with the DS vs PSP.
Whether its just an upgrade or completely new console... its not that important. The controller component of the Revolution is probably many times more crutial than any technical detail - rest assured that the Revolution will definitely be several times stronger than the Gamecube already.
Post by: Zach on November 20, 2005, 01:08:33 PM
I think that the way Strain put it may turn out to be true, but its too early to early to use the DS is beating the PSP, so innovation and price wins argument on the console wars.
Post by: StrainX on November 20, 2005, 05:36:48 PM
Post by: Stimutacs Addict on November 20, 2005, 10:14:48 PM
(i know that the DS wasn't underpowered just because nintendo wanted to launch it early, but seriously if they didnt have to worry about the PSP then I'm pretty sure that the DS would have been slight different and had a proper launch)
Post by: Don'tHate742 on November 21, 2005, 05:24:55 PM
I'll give some impressions afterwards.
Post by: MrMojoRising on November 24, 2005, 12:53:48 AM
I'm 100% sure that if Nintendo wanted to make a machine that was more powerful than xbox360 and PS3 they could. I'm 100% sure that if Nintendo wanted to make a machine that was almost as powerful as the competition and was capable of very similar graphics (think GC in this generation) for a lower price point they could. Either one of those situations would not help Nintendo. They would be faced with equal machines with bigger marketing budgets, better word of mouth, and more third party support. The only thing Nintendo has over the competition in this situation is it's fantastic first party games.
If Nintendo chooses innovation they give themselves more seperation from the competition, plus they don't have to build as powerful of a machine simply for bragging rights. Now Nintendo has a cheaper product that will deliver something that neither of the other machines can, on top of the fantastic first party games. Add in the fact that the video game industry is in need for a kick in the pants, and Nintendo realizes that they are just the company to put on their kicking boots.
Complain all you want about the Revolution not being as powerful as the competition, but it's an intelligent move. It's a risky move, but an intelligent one.
Post by: Knoxxville on December 07, 2005, 07:58:07 AM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 07, 2005, 08:23:37 AM
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Originally posted by: Knoxxville
Well, in lieu of recent developments in the gaming community, it appears that I am not as far off my rocker as most of you would like.....what say ye now?
O_O OMG!!!! you are an insider, you have inside information, all hail Knoxxville!!!
j/k
But assuming that the recent IGN report is actually true, then you have made a very good guess. The same guess that alot of other people have made, but all the rest of us refuse to believe. I still refuse to believe it, but I guess we'll find out for sure in a few months.
I'm crossing my fingers hoping for atleast double the stats that IGN has revealed so far.
Post by: KnowsNothing on December 07, 2005, 08:27:54 AM
Post by: JonLeung on December 07, 2005, 08:48:42 AM
Only thing is, the DS had a lot of Nintendo fan support because of the GBA. The PSP is Sony's first foray into handheld gaming (not counting the VMU-like Japanese PocketStation). So Sony was disadvantaged to begin with.
Also, GBAs and PS2s have sold a lot each, I think I heard the numbers are very comparable. But more people with GBAs are interested in DSes, I'm guessing, than PS2 owners that are interested in PSPs. (Maybe because the DS can play GBA games but I think its unique features really sell it.)
The Revolution compared to the PS3 may be more interesting to developers like the DS is to the PSP, but I think right now the DS is outselling the PSP and it will probably be a while for the Revolution to outsell the PS3, assuming that it can catch up.
After they launch, I mean. Right now the PS3 and Rev. have 0 sales (not counting pre-orders). (So technically they have infinite more sales than each other...) The PS3 will get a bunch just because of the PS2 owners and them who just blindly follow the market leaders without truly considering the other options available. So sales-wise, it's an uphill battle. Yeah, Nintendo's got profits and creativity. The investors and innovators are happy. Unfortunately, the typical consumer cares about sales.
Post by: Knoxxville on December 07, 2005, 11:02:42 AM
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Originally posted by: KnowsNothing
Live in denial if you want to, Brother....I just call it how I see it. ;p
Post by: trip1eX on December 07, 2005, 11:29:12 AM
Post by: Artimus on December 07, 2005, 12:04:35 PM
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The Revolution is a repackaged Gamecube.
Entire new chipset, at least twice as powerful, whole new medium, new controller, new storage method, new functions, and a totally different design.
In what way is that any more a GameCube than any system is its predecessor?
Post by: Knoxxville on December 07, 2005, 12:50:26 PM
More Revolution Specs Uncovered
Developers come forward to reveal new performance details on Nintendo's next-generation console.
by Matt Casamassina
December 6, 2005 - Just yesterday IGN Revolution launched with technical details on Nintendo's next-generation console, codenamed Revolution. And today more development sources have come forward with both clarification and even more tech specs. The latest news begins to paint a clearer picture of Nintendo's aim with its next platform.
We cannot stress this enough: Revolution is not being positioned as a competitor to either Xbox 360 or PlayStation 3. Nintendo has instead chosen to design a console that will be very affordable for consumers. For that very reason, say developers in the know, the Big N has opted out of filling the system with a massive supply of expensive RAM.
In yesterday's article, we wrote that Revolution would include 128MBs of RAM, or possibly less. Developers have clarified the makeup based on officially released Nintendo documentation. Revolution will build on GameCube's configuration of 24MBs 1T-SRAM and 16MBs D-RAM (40MBs) by adding an addition 64MBs of 1T-SRAM. The result is a supply of memory in Revolution that totals 104MBs. That number does not consider either the 512MBs of allegedly accessible (but hardly ideal) Flash RAM or the Hollywood GPU's on-board memory, said to be 3MBs by sources.
Revolution's Broadway CPU, developed by IBM, is an extension of the Gekko CPU in GameCube, according to official Nintendo documentation passed to us by software houses. The Hollywood GPU, meanwhile, is believed to be an extension of the Flipper GPU in GameCube. Since developers have not gone hands-on with the GPU, they can only go on Nintendo documentation, which is limited.
Exact clock rates were not disclosed, but one development source we spoke to had this to say of the Revolution CPU and GPU: "Basically, take a GameCube, double the clock rate of the CPU and GPU and you're done."
We presented that description to another informed studio, which clarified that the clock rates may even fall short of doubling those on GameCube.
"The CPU is the same as Gekko with one and a half to two times the performance and improved caching," said a source. "Our guys experimented with it and think they'll be able to get about twice the performance as GameCube."
"It's a gamble for the Big N," said another source. "It's not about horsepower for them -- it's about innovation and gameplay."
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I'm not about to argue with idiots and fanboys. All I'm sayin is that my hypothesis was not as far out as once thought.
No need to give me shyt for it....just keep it movin'.
Post by: BigJim on December 07, 2005, 01:15:15 PM
Post by: Don'tHate742 on December 07, 2005, 01:17:57 PM
Post by: Artimus on December 07, 2005, 01:19:43 PM
Post by: King of Twitch on December 07, 2005, 06:53:08 PM
Post by: Knoxxville on December 07, 2005, 07:41:05 PM
And Artemis, if you read the article, it states that if you took the Gamecube and doubled the clock speed of the CPU and GPU, you'd basically have a Revolution. That makes Hollywood and Broadway no more that Gekko and Flipper on crystal meth (i.e. overclocked).
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 07, 2005, 07:42:12 PM
Post by: Artimus on December 07, 2005, 08:50:05 PM
TWO BRAND NEW CHIPS. How much more 'new' can you get? The Revolution has as much new hardware as the 360, PS3, PS2, GCN, N64, SNES, Dreamcast, etc. Your prediction made little sense at the time, and now you're expanding an already shaky term so that somehow you are possibly right. You're not. The system is brand new. It is similar to GameCube in many ways, but it is not an improved GameCube, because it uses none of the same hardware. Last time I checked, btw, overclocking wasn't going to double your CPU and GPU. Your point is wrong, and your attempts to broaden what you said into some realm of credibility is unsuccessful.
You. Were. Wrong.
Post by: StrainX on December 08, 2005, 05:14:59 AM
Post by: Knoxxville on December 08, 2005, 06:09:09 AM
Post by: Artimus on December 08, 2005, 06:42:51 AM
In order for it to be a repackaged GCN, it needs to have many similar parts to the GCN. It has, what? None? The only similar parts it has are the controller ports which are specifically FOR GameCube games. Let's try this again:
You. Were. Wrong.
Post by: Knoxxville on December 08, 2005, 10:40:20 AM
http://www.haveeru.com.mv/?page=engdetails&id=6260
Post by: Knoxxville on December 23, 2005, 02:56:36 AM
You. Were. RIGHT!.....or say nothing.....that's what I expect anyway.
Post by: Kairon on December 23, 2005, 05:04:36 AM
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Post by: Knoxxville on December 23, 2005, 05:09:31 AM
I mean, of course I wasn't dead on since I'm no insider (then again, they are not done tweakin' it yet, so you never know), but I did make the point that Rev exclusive features would be included to help "bridge the gap" of sorts.
And Artimus, you're a buster for not being able to concur as well as you non-concur.
I. Was. Right........about something!
Post by: Kairon on December 23, 2005, 06:27:43 AM
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Post by: Knoxxville on December 23, 2005, 06:51:29 AM
Post by: Knoxxville on April 09, 2006, 08:08:44 AM
Post by: Kairon on April 09, 2006, 08:44:29 AM
It's not just more plausible now. It's apparent now that what you propose was EXACTLY what Nintendo originally intended!
*gets down on his knees and begins to worship you*
Oh great prophet, what does the future hold?
~Carmine M. Red
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Post by: Knoxxville on April 09, 2006, 08:48:40 AM
Seriously though (all patronism aside), what I said back in Mid-Nov isn't looking as farfetched as it once did. I'm not saying that I hit the nail on the head, but I definitely got in into the wood, you know?
Post by: Artimus on April 09, 2006, 08:50:22 AM
Post by: Knoxxville on April 09, 2006, 08:53:25 AM
Post by: Kairon on April 09, 2006, 09:00:20 AM
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Originally posted by: Knoxxville
LOL@Kairon, the great Zentradi warlord....you are being sarcastic, right?
Seriously though (all patronism aside), what I said back in Mid-Nov isn't looking as farfetched as it once did. I'm not saying that I hit the nail on the head, but I definitely got in into the wood, you know?
OMG! SOMEBODY KNOWS WHERE I GOT MY NAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YOU ARE THE GREATEST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I AM YOUR SERVANT!!!!!! COMMAND ME OH GREAT ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by: Artimus on April 09, 2006, 09:04:06 AM
You did not get it fairly close, your main hypothesis is wrong! Look:
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-...even though the guts haven't changed much from the 'Cube.
-How can a next gen system be so cheap, you ask? BECAUSE IT'S A GAMECUBE!
-This is the 1st Ninendo system to not only be backwards compatible (Game Boy excluded), but to also have the last gen console's controller AND memory card ports built in! If that doesn't raise any eyebrows, then you don't have any.
All incorrect. And those are your MAIN points. You changed it later on, making it an upgrade (which is still only a fraction true), but your claims you're so insightful just aren't true. Which is why I don't understand why you'd bump this thread months later.
Post by: Kairon on April 09, 2006, 09:05:08 AM
Ah, but do you remember when there was that whole Megaton furor that came to nothing? That must've been what the freehand controller was about. Nintendo has already gone on record that they originally intended to release it as an add-on for the GC. That course of action would certainly amount to a "repackaged GameCube." What Knoxville miraculously stumbled upon was their original intentions, their original plans, before Iwata changed them and realised that they needed to upgrade the GC somehow.
~Carmine M. Red
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Post by: Artimus on April 09, 2006, 09:13:13 AM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
Artimus,
Ah, but do you remember when there was that whole Megaton furor that came to nothing? That must've been what the freehand controller was about. Nintendo has already gone on record that they originally intended to release it as an add-on for the GC. That course of action would certainly amount to a "repackaged GameCube." What Knoxville miraculously stumbled upon was their original intentions, their original plans, before Iwata changed them and realised that they needed to upgrade the GC somehow.
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
But they didn't intend to upgrade the hardware, they simply intended to release the revmote as a new controller. I do agree he met with some of their intentions, but he didn't meet with what happened like he claims.
Post by: Knoxxville on April 09, 2006, 09:13:48 AM
I guess Iwata visited the boards and was like, "They're on to us!!"
Post by: Kairon on April 09, 2006, 09:15:31 AM
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Post by: Knoxxville on April 09, 2006, 09:18:56 AM
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Originally posted by: KaironQuote
Originally posted by: Knoxxville
LOL@Kairon, the great Zentradi warlord....you are being sarcastic, right?
Seriously though (all patronism aside), what I said back in Mid-Nov isn't looking as farfetched as it once did. I'm not saying that I hit the nail on the head, but I definitely got in into the wood, you know?
OMG! SOMEBODY KNOWS WHERE I GOT MY NAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YOU ARE THE GREATEST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I AM YOUR SERVANT!!!!!! COMMAND ME OH GREAT ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
....and I spelled Zentradi correctly to boot!
I used to run home from school everyday to watch Robotech when I was a kid....I even made myself sit thought that sometimes god awful Macross 7 with all that damn singing....WTF was THAT about?
Post by: Kairon on April 09, 2006, 09:27:46 AM
My uncle had the entire Harmony Gold Macross Saga on VHS taped. It was awesome. I grew up on Robotech, the Akira movie, and the Nausicaa graphics novels, explaining my very picky tastes nowadays concerning anime and manga: I grew up with only the very best!
In my opinion, anything outside the original 6 volumes, I mean, the Rick - Lisa - Min Mei triangle series, anything outside of that doesn't have the same magic. The invid saga was... it was missing something. And I don't even bother to care anything about the newer Japanese "Macross" universe attempts because the fact is that Robotech is essentially AMERICAN. Heck, it's even a friggin Soap Opera!
Though I don't blame them. What Harmony Gold did was a once in a lifetime miracle. Take three unrelated Japanese Animes and splice them up and re-edit them and completely tear apart their original story to replace them with an entirely new story...and come out BETTER than the sum of its parts? WOW.
~Carmine M. Red
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Post by: Knoxxville on April 09, 2006, 09:30:32 AM
My favorite ep was when Max kicked Myria's tail in that 3D videogame (that I wish would exist one day still!).....which then started the love thing.....and I learned a valuable lesson about life....women like a guy who can kick their azz!
Post by: Kairon on April 09, 2006, 09:32:34 AM
BTW, I never did see an official spelling for any of those.... would you happen to know them?
~Carmine M. Red
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Post by: Knoxxville on April 09, 2006, 09:34:17 AM
Post by: Kairon on April 09, 2006, 09:42:15 AM
Oh, but your lesson should be appended: Women who kick guys asses are intrigued by guy's who can hold their own against them. It's not about dominance, it's that Miria finally found somebody she could respect. Oh but daaayumm... Max woulda gotten himself killed for being such a doe-eyed love puppy, lol.
Almost allowed me to forgive Miria for killing Roy... (See where the whole Soap Opera thing coems in?)
Oh, and Breetai huh? That's miles away from how I heard and spelled it...Freetide....lol.
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: Knoxxville on April 09, 2006, 09:47:38 AM
I love getting the girl that is mean to everyone else except you!
Post by: Kairon on April 09, 2006, 09:50:31 AM
Man it's great to finally be able to talk about this with someone other than my younger brother!
Oh...but I have to confess...I'm a bad Robotech fan because I didn't buy the videogame.../cry
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: Knoxxville on April 09, 2006, 09:56:10 AM
Post by: Kairon on April 09, 2006, 10:02:05 AM
En Garde Gamestop, for I shall rifle your bargain bins!
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: Knoxxville on April 09, 2006, 10:03:43 AM
Post by: IceCold on April 09, 2006, 12:17:00 PM
Nintendo of Canada directly linked to one of our threads too
EDIT: Oops, I replied to this thread before reading the previous 10 or so posts. I can now say that this thread has devolved into something well beyond my reach.
Post by: Kairon on April 09, 2006, 12:45:57 PM
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: BigJim on April 09, 2006, 02:35:50 PM
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*gets down on his knees and begins to worship you*
I called the Rev a GameCube on steroids after last E3.
I also created a thread titled "Hardcore Moms" that talked about reaching out to new gamers before Nintendo went into any details, but even Rick came out from under his rock and shot it down... not to mention the MILF references that ensued.
Hail ME, damnit.
Post by: Kairon on April 09, 2006, 02:38:00 PM
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: Requiem on April 09, 2006, 06:59:15 PM
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Originally posted by: IceCold
Well, I personally don't agree with this, but I WILL say that our boards have some of the smartest and most creative Nintendo fans on the Internet. Requiem and nemo (and others) made controller mock-ups that were quite similar to the NRC. I think the Zelda forward compatibility thing started in these threads a long, long time ago. And anyone remember BlackGriffen and his "long tail" thing before the VC was revealed? And our discussion has lead to many other good ideas.
Nintendo of Canada directly linked to one of our threads too
EDIT: Oops, I replied to this thread before reading the previous 10 or so posts. I can now say that this thread has devolved into something well beyond my reach.
So true IceCold.
When we make a point, it is not only well defined but also well written. We've had some amazing posts, and honestly, reading everyones' opinions on here is the main reason I come here. We contribute to the discussion and analyze a topic far more than many other sites. That said, it is always interesting.
Post by: Smash_Brother on April 09, 2006, 07:02:57 PM
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Originally posted by: Requiem
When we make a point, it is not only well defined but also well written. We've had some amazing posts, and honestly, reading everyones' opinions on here is the main reason I come here. We contribute to the discussion and analyze a topic far more than many other sites. That said, it is always interesting.
Generally speaking, PGC has far less asshattery going on than most other forums.
Post by: GregLee on April 09, 2006, 08:05:59 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on April 09, 2006, 08:12:15 PM
Post by: WesDawg on April 10, 2006, 06:17:27 AM
QuoteDeveloping a completely off the wall controller that uses untried technology is not cheap. Writing API's for dev's to use to interface with that new controller isn't cheap. Give 'em SOME credit.
I think Nintendo just isn't revealing the specs because they cut corners on it big time and don't want to officially reveal it. All this de-emphasis on technology is likely due to one thing: Nintendo are cheapskates and have no problem with shooting themselves in the foot in the long term if it means they still make a profit in the short term. They don't want to spend the money on extra hardware so they're not going to. Using a new controller and focusing on innovation is a good way for them to keep costs down while still having some way to attract attention from the more powerful consoles.
Post by: Kairon on April 10, 2006, 08:16:06 AM
It should be obvious what they chose. Iwata even stated that a TON of their money went into the controller.
Oh, and additionally, they've been running up against the problem of diminishing returns in a big way. This led them to believe that, as Yamauchi spouted, current graphics would suffice since there was very little left to improve upon.
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: zakkiel on April 10, 2006, 04:55:21 PM
QuoteThe buttocks of a man with three-foot hips? The images your statement conjures up are... disturbing, to say the least.
Originally posted by: Professional 666
My sombrero is shaped like a buttocks
Post by: Khushrenada on April 11, 2006, 07:43:08 PM
Post by: Knoxxville on May 25, 2006, 07:29:48 AM
IGN Co-worker says Wii is “disappointing”
May 25th, 2006
“It’s just a Gamecube inside thats all it is, thats a little dissapointing…there going to charge kids $250 dollars just for a Gamecube… well there probably going to charge kids $250 for what is a peripheral...as Metroid exists today like on a typical controller I can pick it up and play it and enjoy it…you can pay $75 for this peripheral and $50 for online.” - Kathleen Sanders, co-worker of IGN
At least I not the only who thinks this way (mainly the 1st 2 excerpts).
Post by: mantidor on May 25, 2006, 07:59:42 AM
Did the GC had a physics unit? I think not.
Post by: Avinash_Tyagi on May 25, 2006, 08:03:23 AM
Post by: ShyGuy on May 25, 2006, 08:09:56 AM
Post by: Knoxxville on May 25, 2006, 08:22:16 AM
Post by: Avinash_Tyagi on May 25, 2006, 08:28:22 AM
Post by: Knoxxville on May 25, 2006, 08:58:42 AM
Post by: Knoxxville on May 24, 2007, 07:43:07 AM
Post by: Kairon on May 24, 2007, 08:59:45 AM
Post by: mantidor on May 24, 2007, 10:11:09 AM
Post by: ShyGuy on May 24, 2007, 10:11:42 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 24, 2007, 01:41:36 PM
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Originally posted by: mantidor
the real question here is, can the GC run Brawl or Galaxy?
GC can run Melee and Mario Sunshine. Barely.
