Post by: foolish03 on November 11, 2005, 12:59:51 PM
Perfect Dark Zero
Post by: Kairon on November 11, 2005, 01:45:36 PM
Thankfully I don't need to spend my entire college saving (yes, all $460 dollars of it) to analyze exactly what Rare's been up to for the past 4 years, I'll just wait until my hardcore-gaming friend gets his 360 and then I'll have the best of both worlds!
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: Stimutacs Addict on November 11, 2005, 03:51:04 PM
Post by: foolish03 on November 11, 2005, 06:00:24 PM
Post by: Nephilim on November 12, 2005, 07:55:05 PM
Post by: couchmonkey on November 14, 2005, 09:14:04 AM
I don't know whether to cross my fingers and hope for the best for Kameo and Perfect Dark or wish that they turn out like crap. I love Rare and I want to see them make a comeback, but on the other hand I sure don't feel like spending $500 CDN on an Xbox 360.
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 14, 2005, 03:19:35 PM
Post by: odifiend on November 15, 2005, 03:32:51 AM
Post by: Kairon on November 15, 2005, 04:48:41 AM
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: foolish03 on November 15, 2005, 06:09:03 PM
Post by: Renny on November 16, 2005, 12:39:42 PM
Post by: Sir_Stabbalot on November 16, 2005, 02:45:22 PM
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Originally posted by: foolish03
yeah i dont like the art style of the models. Why couldnt they have just went full on realistic. They do this in timesplitters too. Whats with the rare teams. The like fantasy too much.
Microsoft had them change the style so it wouldn't compete with Halo 2.
Post by: Don'tHate742 on November 18, 2005, 06:32:07 AM
I'm honestly glad TS didn't go realistic....it would of looked like crap.
Post by: couchmonkey on November 18, 2005, 09:37:05 AM
Post by: Artimus on November 18, 2005, 10:08:15 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on November 18, 2005, 11:01:39 AM
explosive unanimous "MEH"
Post by: couchmonkey on November 18, 2005, 11:05:10 AM
Edit: This is what a lot of us feared when Microsoft bought Rare out...rushed games. We've already waited 6 years, Microsoft, let them have one more to make it good! Unless the product is so far gone that that isn't even possible.
Post by: foolish03 on November 18, 2005, 12:31:43 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 18, 2005, 01:09:56 PM
Post by: mac<censored> on November 18, 2005, 04:54:33 PM
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Originally posted by: couchmonkey
I like the cartoony look of these games, personally. I find realism boring.
You're certainly right that "cartoony" is often a good thing, if done well. The problem is that Rare sucks at it. Rare cannot do creative character designs, everything they try comes out looking dorky and boring (the cringefully stupid-looking main character in Kameo is a good example).
So for a company like Rare that can't do cartoony right, I'd say it's safer to stick to "realistic" -- at least that depends more on technical prowess, which is their strong point.
Post by: Arbok on November 18, 2005, 08:06:55 PM
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Originally posted by: macshit
The problem is that Rare sucks at it. Rare cannot do creative character designs, everything they try comes out looking dorky and boring...
You mean the Rare of today sucks at it, as their characters and enemies in the DKC series were beyond awesome.
Post by: KDR_11k on November 18, 2005, 08:58:36 PM
Post by: WuTangTurtle on November 18, 2005, 11:04:17 PM
Post by: odifiend on November 19, 2005, 02:25:12 AM
Post by: Sir_Stabbalot on November 19, 2005, 03:02:06 AM
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Originally posted by: odifiendSigh, I wish Free Radical had the rights to perfect dark...
Amen.
Post by: Don'tHate742 on November 19, 2005, 10:46:18 AM
I'm not too depressed about that situation though, because Free Radical could definitely make a FPS worth playing.
Post by: Stimutacs Addict on November 20, 2005, 08:01:24 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on November 20, 2005, 10:07:06 AM
Post by: couchmonkey on November 21, 2005, 05:58:01 AM
*Agrees with Bill on 1up's review of PGR3, mostly*.
Post by: Galford on November 23, 2005, 06:50:45 PM
I mean how the hell did Halo get such high scores???
If this game is nothing more then PD with a graphics upgrade and online play,
it should be at least 9.5 all around...
Post by: nemo_83 on November 24, 2005, 07:39:38 PM
Kameo controlled like a piece of flaming poo, the graphics weren't too bad, but the game was linear to the bone stage based like Battle Toads and the transformations are forced upon you to progress through the level. It's like Metroid Prime gone terribly wrong.
And I'm going to step out of my political correctness suit for a second and openly point at how dyked out the main characters in PDZ and Kameo are; who are they marketing this stuff to?
Post by: couchmonkey on November 25, 2005, 04:54:57 AM
I can't vouch for or against the game designs or controls since I haven't played them, but personally, if the only thing I could find to play on my Xbox 360 was Halo 2, I'd shoot myself. Then I'd sell the 360 on Ebay.
Edit: clarification on first paragraph.
Post by: nemo_83 on November 25, 2005, 07:34:42 PM
When Nintendo and Rare released the first PD a lot of people were just waiting to crack on it just for the fact they had the grape fruits to title a game perfect, but the game was essentially a less palatable Goldeneye with way more multiplayer options that caused slowdown and kept players from getting into the game because the deathmatch was so complicated.
So in my opinion the first PD played well, but most of the stages were meh, and the sci fi theme just wasn't as fun as the Cold War period of Bond with real weapons. Perfect Dark should have moved forward by now after like six years and being in development on three consoles. And there is no excuse for Kameo to play the way it does after being in development on four consoles for longer than Perfect Dark Zero.
I would have expected PDZ to have evolved to be more like MGS (likewise I had expected MGS and Resident Evil to have evolved to be more like a free moving shooters in the past generation but they did not). I expected a balance between first and third person action allowing players the option of full third person stealth control akin to Splinter Cell or MGS and a well developed first person mode like Halo. To sum it all up PDZ doesn't even have a jump button and it drives me nutts. Its so archaic to not have a jump. The only game that has gotten away with it thus far has been Zelda, but Metroid Prime shows that game design built similar to Zelda's can work out with jumping. That's exactly it, Metroid ruins PDZ for me. Metroid has better scifi technology and it has the most powerful jumping first person controls. PDZ makes me feel like I'm in Doom. Also I expect more from my games now days; why can't Halo, PDZ, and Kameo operate from a key world. We're not playing with the N64 or PSX anymore. Games are nolonger linear. PDZ would have been better with a free roaming three dimensional city like GTA.
Next gen hardware means to me more than graphics and PDZ doesn't even deliver graphics. I bet the game looks terrible on a normal tv.
Post by: PaLaDiN on November 26, 2005, 10:26:48 AM
Have you played the new game? Because those have to be the worst impressions I've seen of it... then again Halo had nothing but good impressions in the beginning and I loathe that game.
Post by: mac<censored> on November 26, 2005, 10:43:59 AM
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Originally posted by: nemo_83
why can't Halo, PDZ, and Kameo operate from a key world. We're not playing with the N64 or PSX anymore. Games are nolonger linear. PDZ would have been better with a free roaming three dimensional city like GTA.
I think the answer is: Developers are lazy, and users are stupid.
The more freedom allowed the user, the more work the developers have to put into pushing technology, adding content, and making sure users can't get themselves into odd situations. The more things are kept on rails, the less effort required -- and after the long horrid reign of the PSX, users were used to things being on rails to some degree (fixed cameras, static backgrounds, etc).
GTA may be a embarrassingly low-brow game, but it's an important jolt to the industry. Let's hope they draw the right conclusions -- more freedom for users. [No doubt there are some developers who think the secret is more games based on 50-cent and drab pavement-filled landscapes.]
Post by: nemo_83 on November 26, 2005, 11:20:29 AM
The difference between this and Halo is that Halo has a jump, Halo's weapons are easier to understand, Halo has many vehicles, Halo has better AI, and Halo has a fun factor you rarely find in games these days. Maybe it is just a sign that I have become jaded, my skin is too thick after all these years of gaming to be impressed with Perfect Dark Zero's tricks.
The game design just doesn't feel like next gen, the control is not next gen, and the graphics sure as hell are not next gen. One should expect more from a game in development for six years from a company that redefined shooters with Goldeneye and sold fourteen million copies in two years.
Post by: KDR_11k on November 26, 2005, 09:16:04 PM
Post by: ThePerm on November 27, 2005, 04:16:01 AM
the thing i didnt like about pd is i couldn't customize my controls enough. I hate dual analog. The game plays exactly like its n64 counterpart, but it sucks because i can't do something like play with the face buttons for strafe. I used to own at perfect dark because i had precise control, but now im stuck with using a joystic..which for me is hard to strafe without looking down or up
Post by: nemo_83 on November 27, 2005, 10:18:57 AM
Dual analog is history now; the Revolution is about to own.
Post by: ThePerm on November 27, 2005, 10:23:05 AM
Post by: Don'tHate742 on November 27, 2005, 10:33:53 AM
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Originally posted by: ThePerm
actually id rather not a shooting game have jumping at all..unless its completely in the future and your wearing bio suits..like halo or half-life or metroid. With PD though you could never jump before(cus in real life if you jump like an idiot you'll die faster, crouching is more realistic)
the thing i didnt like about pd is i couldn't customize my controls enough. I hate dual analog. The game plays exactly like its n64 counterpart, but it sucks because i can't do something like play with the face buttons for strafe. I used to own at perfect dark because i had precise control, but now im stuck with using a joystic..which for me is hard to strafe without looking down or up
Agreed. Dual Analog makes the game feel slow for some reason. During PD or GE, I could run super fast if I was strafing and walking. I could also aim with great precision and fire within a second. Those two things made for incredibly intense battles, espcially with the more powerful weapons (like the grenade launcher...oh damn!). Halo is still fun, but its not as unnervingly fun as the two rare games.
I hope the Rev can bring back that sense of speed.
Post by: Galford on November 27, 2005, 07:23:21 PM
PS - How many people remember what the original concept of Halo was?
Hint: It wasn't the XBox game we got...
Post by: KDR_11k on November 27, 2005, 08:20:31 PM
OTOH, many people say "Marathon 4" while the Marathon fans say "No freaking way that deserves the Marathon name!".
Post by: Galford on November 28, 2005, 01:27:22 PM
If I remember correctly, Halo was suppose to allow all sorts of jobs a player could choose from in a rather expensive game universe. Some of the other ideas kicked around were the game was suppose to load once and then there would be no "levels" per say, just battlefields with data constantly streamed in.
The online component I believe was also different. I remember one magazine talking about how one player could be a medic, another could just drive wounded troops from the battlefield to the hospital. All this while the rest of you team fought the Covenant.
It's funny, some people on the Internet now claim Halo is some sort of prequel to Marathon...
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on November 28, 2005, 04:27:50 PM
Post by: couchmonkey on November 29, 2005, 07:00:53 AM
Post by: PaLaDiN on November 29, 2005, 07:17:04 AM
Post by: Shecky on December 02, 2005, 02:50:02 AM
Oh, and looks like there are some more impressions of Perfect Dark Zero...
"Penny Arcade"
Edit: I absolutely enjoy the jumping mechanics in both games.
Post by: Pale on December 02, 2005, 06:38:30 AM
sometimes i'm a moron...
ignore me...
Post by: cubist on December 02, 2005, 10:12:24 AM
I'm still a RAREWARE fan...and I hope they can make their way back to the developer elite; however, from what I've played in the current generation(s), the Stamper bros. need to get crackin'.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on December 02, 2005, 10:16:21 AM
Post by: nemo_83 on December 02, 2005, 11:08:16 AM
Post by: Don'tHate742 on December 02, 2005, 12:53:19 PM
The game itsefl was fluid and the framerate was locked. I loved how fast everything felt....that hit a nostalgia factor that I didn't, at first, even recognize.
Post by: nemo_83 on December 02, 2005, 01:15:10 PM
It wasn't a bad shooter for the previous generation, but this generation we're going to have the revolution remote and you'll find your standards suddenly higher than you had ever imagined for shooters. The speed of the turning will actually relate to how fast you aim; death to the second analog stick!
Post by: Artimus on December 02, 2005, 01:27:18 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on December 02, 2005, 08:13:28 PM
Post by: foolish03 on December 05, 2005, 02:36:17 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on December 05, 2005, 05:48:41 AM
Post by: vudu on December 05, 2005, 09:17:33 AM
QuoteIt plays a lot like Perfect Dark or Goldeneye. There are very few stealth elements, but at the same time you can't just run into a room balls-out and expect not to get shot up. It's a great game, and easily worth the $20 it costs (in America, anyway).
What style of game is it, anyway?
Post by: foolish03 on December 05, 2005, 11:02:32 AM
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Originally posted by: vuduQuoteIt plays a lot like Perfect Dark or Goldeneye. There are very few stealth elements, but at the same time you can't just run into a room balls-out and expect not to get shot up. It's a great game, and easily worth the $20 it costs (in America, anyway).
What style of game is it, anyway?
$20 bucks??? Are you talking about the first PD??? The first PD didnt really have any stealth elements so im guessing your talking about PDZ.
Post by: vudu on December 05, 2005, 11:03:27 AM
Post by: odifiend on December 05, 2005, 11:21:28 AM
TS2 & 3 can be had for cheap. I thought I saw Future Perfect for 10 dollars somewhere.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on December 05, 2005, 11:31:40 AM
[see Amazing Deals thread when there are updates. it's amazing]
Post by: foolish03 on December 05, 2005, 02:40:13 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on December 06, 2005, 02:43:19 AM
So um... That description wasn't very helpful for me, all I now know is that it's like other games I never played.
Post by: Sir_Stabbalot on December 06, 2005, 12:01:17 PM
Post by: blackfootsteps on December 06, 2005, 01:36:35 PM
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Originally posted by: Sir_Stabbalot
Picture halo. Except with bots. and lots of characters to choose from. Heck, in Future Perfect, there's everyone from war robots to British Tommies to an undead deer with meat hooks for hands! And lots of guns. Ranging from lugers to AK-47s to ones that are really lazer shotguns.
More like Halo on speed, FP runs non-stop at a furious pace.
Post by: KDR_11k on December 06, 2005, 10:26:26 PM
(I don't play console FPS)
Post by: vudu on December 07, 2005, 08:13:15 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on December 07, 2005, 09:22:16 AM
Post by: couchmonkey on December 08, 2005, 04:55:02 AM
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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
Halo? "run in room, shoot everything, run into next room, realize that it looks just like the previous room and repeat"?
(I don't play console FPS)
No, TimeSplitters is not like that at all. The story mode is much less repititious, and probably close to 50% of the single player game in TS2 is more like...an arcade game. You will be in a room trying to kill as many zombies as you can before they kill you, or you'll have to defeat some other characters in a certain time limit (kind of reminiscent of Unreal Tournament's single player), or you'll have to break all the window panes in a level by throwing bricks at them. Personally, I think the single player in TS2 offers a lot more fun and variety than Halo. The only things Halo has on TS2 are better presentation (graphical flares, story) and better squad AI (to be expected since TS2 has all of one level where it's squadron vs. squadron and Halo is full of those levels). Oh, and Halo has jumping, but I don't really miss it when I'm playing TimeSplitters.
Post by: Artimus on December 08, 2005, 06:46:39 AM
