Post by: Avinash_Tyagi on November 04, 2005, 07:49:09 AM
Another duh award. But the amount posted by merril lynch on the PS3's price to manufacture ($465+) indicates a price point closer to $400 and is in line with the comment that they plan to lose money for 6 to 12 months at least. (A $65+ loss per system will add up huge in the first year, heh, if blu-ray fails to make much of an impact this could really screw sony over)
edit: forgot the link
joystiq
Post by: couchmonkey on November 04, 2005, 12:51:33 PM
Edit: Yeah, this does serve a "duh" award, but to Merril Lynch's credit, the people reading these things may not think about the games industry constantly day in and day out like some of us do.
Post by: King of Twitch on November 04, 2005, 01:02:32 PM
Post by: Stimutacs Addict on November 07, 2005, 07:48:36 AM
Post by: odifiend on November 07, 2005, 09:38:00 AM
Seriously though 65 bucks to lose per system is huge. If the PS3 performs even half the amount Sony is expecting that will be several hundred thousands lost in the first couple of months. Add to that R&D and Sony's just overall falling in electronics and they aren't looking so hot. Even if Blu-Ray becomes the media of choice, wouldn't you figure the move from standard DVDs to Blu-Ray would be pretty slow? I can't imagine the pay off would EVER pay itself off.
Oh well- at times like this, I'm glad I don't own stock...
Post by: Kairon on November 07, 2005, 02:06:34 PM
Doesn't the non-Blue-Ray-non-HD-DVD X360 already cost maybe 300 or 400 dollars to manufacture as it stands?
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Post by: BigJim on November 07, 2005, 02:35:11 PM
Post by: Avinash_Tyagi on November 07, 2005, 02:43:13 PM
portable video devices to fill the time gap before PlayStation 3 launches in Japan in March and in the U.S. a year from now.
A year from now puts it in Early November 2006 in NA, meaning the Xbox will have a year's advantage, heck even the REV will have been out for a while.
Post by: Sir_Stabbalot on November 07, 2005, 03:29:12 PM
Post by: Kairon on November 07, 2005, 03:52:18 PM
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Post by: Djunknown on November 07, 2005, 04:16:09 PM
I hate to sound like a broken record, but the common folk don't need Blu-Ray of HD-DVD right now. These new formats need killer hardware to show off what makes them special, which is still out of reach for most people.
I'd like to see a comparison of Blu-Ray Vs HD-DVD Vs DVD on a regular CRT television, then on a flat panel LCD and plasma. I'm guessing on a plain old TV, it won't make that much difference.
Sony better have some good games in case this doesn't pan out...
Post by: Nephilim on November 07, 2005, 09:32:17 PM
Them loosing just 20dollars of 100,000 (talking world wide launch, 1-2 after period) machines is a big blow to there ammount of money
Post by: Spak-Spang on November 09, 2005, 06:58:49 AM
Here is what I mean.
Microsoft and the Xbox. Microsoft lost alot of money on the Xbox and Xbox live setup. However, that 4 year investment looks like its about to payoff with Xbox 360. Microsoft now has name recognition in the industry, and are launch a new system perhaps 6 months to a year before the competition. This can be a big head start for them, and could help them capture huge marketshare.
With that comes new means of making a profit:
More expensive memory cards, Controllers, Games, selling special online content, ect. ect.
Now Microsoft would not be in the position right now to make the money they are without the intial investment with Xbox.
Sony is looking at the big picture too. Sony is trying to launch and win a new format war with Blue-Ray Video. But as of right now a straight out battle would be hard for them to win on just releasing the player.
However, package it as a part of the hottest video game system around the world, and perhaps you can make back you investment.
So Sony:
Buys another movie studio company to give them larger collection of movies
Releases the PS3 at an acceptable loss to bring in consumers
Sony will make its money off of:
More expensive games, more expensive Blu-Ray DVDs, probably more expensive controllers and memory cards.
It's not a bad strategy if it works. Sony's strategy is like Microsofts, but with an added profit maker in the movies.
Sony is using the same strategy for the PSP, and you know those PSP movies are going ot make them money if they catch on.
Post by: Kairon on November 11, 2005, 01:50:01 PM
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Post by: Spak-Spang on November 13, 2005, 12:11:31 PM
Now Microsoft is even bigger and stronger than Sony, and this next generation is going to be a giant war for public support and dollars that Sony has never had to face in the video game market.
I am curious where this leaves Nintendo though. Their product should be able to standout against the crowd, but what about the public opinion war...will Nintendo be able to make a name for itself within the next generation public?
Post by: BigJim on December 09, 2005, 06:49:28 PM
Sony still claims PS3 is a Spring product, but EA doesn't think it'll launch until the fall.
I mentioned before in another thread that a friend of mine at EALA said they still didn't have anything but very preliminary test hardware to tool around with (this was a few months ago). He doubted Spring at the time too. If this is anything like the norm, that leaves basically little chance of games being available by spring.
This news shakes things up some.
Post by: stevey on December 10, 2005, 02:30:43 AM
Post by: odifiend on December 10, 2005, 02:54:02 AM
Post by: Avinash_Tyagi on December 10, 2005, 03:30:15 AM
As for Sony and the PS3, maybe they think that they can launch with a weak lineup like they did with the PS2, which is why companies like EA say they haven't gotten all the hardware they need yet, but Sony still says they'll launch in Spring.
They'll just launch with a weak to non-existant lineup and then wait for the games to show up later, the only downside is that the 360 is out this time and has games in its lineup.
Post by: odifiend on December 10, 2005, 03:56:02 AM
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Originally posted by: Avinash_Tyagi
What made you think that?!? HD-DVD drives and players are set to arrive next year.
As for Sony and the PS3, maybe they think that they can launch with a weak lineup like they did with the PS2, which is why companies like EA say they haven't gotten all the hardware they need yet, but Sony still says they'll launch in Spring.
They'll just launch with a weak to non-existant lineup and then wait for the games to show up later, the only downside is that the 360 is out this time and has games in its lineup.
Because Toshiba did do something to settle. If you look at the linked article, you'll notice that Toshiba is working on both sides- both HD DVDs and BluRay. I know that in the past though that they were exclusively on the side of HD DVDs.
Sony is stupid if they think they can launch with a weak lineup. If EA, the biggest 3rd party publisher, can't get ready for a spring launch, Sony would be relying on inhouse (ha ha) titles. That strategy wouldn't make sense because it would be in line with renewed shipments of the much hyped 360.
Post by: BigJim on December 10, 2005, 03:58:29 AM
Post by: Sir_Stabbalot on December 10, 2005, 04:01:15 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on December 10, 2005, 04:40:23 AM
Post by: King of Twitch on December 10, 2005, 04:06:13 PM
Post by: Artimus on December 10, 2005, 04:42:14 PM
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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
You mean like Pokemon Colloseum?
That's a correct spelling. There are two ways to spell it.
Post by: KDR_11k on December 10, 2005, 09:51:56 PM
EDIT: May have been a NoE rep because here it's spelled Colloseum while it seems to be spelled Colosseum in English.
Post by: stevey on December 11, 2005, 10:23:48 AM
Post by: couchmonkey on December 12, 2005, 06:33:03 AM
A decent launch lineup will be pretty important in North America and Europe (although it doesn't have to be great, Sony has enough fans to sell out the initial shipments no matter what). In Japan, though, they can launch it with pretty much anything and it will beat the Xbox 360.
