Post by: Artimus on September 14, 2005, 07:15:52 PM
So once again: Thursday at 7PM PST, 10PM EST.
EDIT: Fixed time and title!
Post by: wandering on September 14, 2005, 07:18:24 PM
Post by: mantidor on September 14, 2005, 07:19:34 PM
EDIT:
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Originally posted by: wandering
Okay, but only people with Iwata avatars are allowed to post in this thread.
argh, I wont do it anyway
Im not in the mood.Post by: Mr. Segali on September 14, 2005, 07:22:57 PM
Post by: ThePerm on September 14, 2005, 07:24:38 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 14, 2005, 07:27:17 PM
Post by: wandering on September 14, 2005, 07:34:36 PM
Can't you see it?
IWATAON
Innocent mistake indeed!
Post by: Mario on September 14, 2005, 07:48:37 PM
21 hours 13 minutes 40 seconds to go!
The speech is at 11am Japan time, so uh.. around/between 7-10pm I guess for Americans.
Post by: Artimus on September 14, 2005, 07:55:57 PM
Post by: ThePerm on September 14, 2005, 07:57:05 PM
Post by: Pale on September 14, 2005, 07:57:25 PM
Edit: oh and... http://pix.nofrag.com/10/9e/1015b320e5ce9a687e4e42dc6c8b.jpg
Post by: Mario on September 14, 2005, 08:07:26 PM
"THE PLAY IS DEFINED THROW TOILET" will be discussed for pages!
WOOOOO!
Post by: Fro on September 14, 2005, 08:30:11 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on September 14, 2005, 09:33:56 PM
Post by: IceCold on September 14, 2005, 09:51:49 PM
Post by: Mario on September 14, 2005, 09:53:16 PM
Post by: ShyGuy on September 14, 2005, 10:15:41 PM
eh, I'm goin to bed..
Post by: Mario on September 14, 2005, 10:28:29 PM
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Thursdayton is real. But don't expect much now. Iwata's speech doesn't take place until Thursday at 7:00ish Pacific Time in the US.
Matt
Confirmation! Except he mis-spelled IWATAton >=O
Looks like we won't hear anything til the speech, which is good because it means the IWATA COUNTDOWN is accurate!
Post by: MrMojoRising on September 14, 2005, 11:41:46 PM
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Originally posted by: wandering
Okay, but only people with Iwata avatars are allowed to post in this thread.
Happy?
Even if nothing is revealed it will still be fun to get excited about something! Last time I got excited was when my aunt gave me a lap dance and that was creepy for everyone!
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 15, 2005, 12:03:53 AM
D=
Post by: KnowsNothing on September 15, 2005, 01:56:47 AM
Post by: kirby_killer_dedede on September 15, 2005, 02:22:34 AM
dragon quest was confirmed for the rev at press.nintendo.com...though it was probably accidentally leaked, as the entire site has been taken down now...
EDIT: Hurr
Somebody on Gamespot snagged that picture before the site blew up. I managed to see it before the site went down, though, so no worries - it's real.
Post by: Mario on September 15, 2005, 03:20:58 AM
Wait, the press site is working fine for me now though, nothing about DQ...
Dragon Quest on Revolution would be HUGE, there's been things hinting at it before, like Square-Enix's support for Rev, and that old Gamespot article that accidently "slipped" it in. Doesn't mean I believe it yet though, we'll see.
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 15, 2005, 03:22:56 AM
I don't trust you!
Post by: Fro on September 15, 2005, 03:28:48 AM
Post by: stevey on September 15, 2005, 03:50:45 AM
the press site seen to b working for me
Post by: wandering on September 15, 2005, 03:58:19 AM
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Originally posted by: kirby_killer_dedede
dragon quest was confirmed for the rev at press.nintendo.com
This actually seems somewhat plausible. The thing that's bugging me, though, is that the press release refers to the console as 'Nintendo Revolution' instead of just 'Revolution'.
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Originally posted by: MrMojoRising
Happy?
Yes. Yes I am.
But I'm very disappointed in you, Mantidor.
And you, Pale. And you, KDR.
If you don't show your support for Our Great Leader Iwata, the Secret Iwata Police will have to come and get you.
What's that, you say? The impending IWATATON is making me lose my mind? That's ridiculous!
edit spelling
Post by: Toruresu on September 15, 2005, 04:11:54 AM
DQ would be HUGE in Japan, I kinda doubt it. If it is true, then we might start saying that Nintendo has a good chance of topping Japan again.
Post by: Mario on September 15, 2005, 04:12:41 AM
Post by: Toruresu on September 15, 2005, 04:18:59 AM
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Originally posted by: Mario
12 hours 49 minutes 30 seconds exactly.
Argh...That means I will have to wait till tomorrow....
I only have internet at work.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 15, 2005, 04:20:41 AM
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Originally posted by: Mario
12 hours 49 minutes 30 seconds exactly.
Oh yeah, well how much time is left NOW!?
and how about NOW!
and NOW!!
and... and... wait for it...
NOW!!!
Post by: Mario on September 15, 2005, 04:25:15 AM
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Oh yeah, well how much time is left NOW!?
12 hours 37 minutes 57 seconds!
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and how about NOW!
12 hours 37 minutes 48 seconds!
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and NOW!!
12 hours 37 minutes 32 seconds!
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and... and... wait for it...
NOW!!!
12 hours 37 minutes 20 seconds!
Post by: Pale on September 15, 2005, 04:50:00 AM
I have a feeling we aren't gonna see anything.
Post by: Mario on September 15, 2005, 04:54:36 AM
Post by: couchmonkey on September 15, 2005, 05:03:18 AM
Post by: Pale on September 15, 2005, 05:34:26 AM
Post by: Stimutacs Addict on September 15, 2005, 05:42:19 AM
Post by: NotSoStu on September 15, 2005, 06:27:14 AM
Post by: Toruresu on September 15, 2005, 06:40:58 AM
I'll just wait, like everyone else.
Post by: Ian Sane on September 15, 2005, 07:41:57 AM
Your image isn't working for me so I'm a little sceptical.
Dragon Quest on the Rev could be huge or it could mean squat. If it's not exclusive it means squat sadly. A spin-off won't be that big of a deal and if the real DQ is on the PS3 and the Rev well then it's nullified. A multiplatform release wouldn't give the Rev much of an advantage, if any at all. Though it wouldn't be much of an advantage for the PS3 either. So it would be better than nothing but not enough to declare the Rev the winner. It could give Nintendo an opportunity to get ahead since it would put them on more even footing and allow them to gain ground with their own exclusives. But that would require some serious effort and timing. They can't just fluke out.
Post by: Pale on September 15, 2005, 07:45:12 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on September 15, 2005, 07:49:03 AM
No, they won't. Germany got a patent on secret polices.
Post by: Ian Sane on September 15, 2005, 07:49:58 AM
Yeah it does and I would be happy to get Dragon Quest. I'm just trying to keep down any "if we get Dragon Quest then we automatically win" stuff. That "rule" won't apply if it's not exclusive so no one should get too excited yet.
Post by: pudu on September 15, 2005, 08:07:13 AM
7 hours and counting until I have to be at work....OWN3D
Post by: vudu on September 15, 2005, 09:08:51 AM
My avatar technically isn't of Iwata, but can we just pretend that it's Iwata reincarnated as an almighty being?
Post by: Pale on September 15, 2005, 09:33:07 AM
Post by: stevey on September 15, 2005, 09:35:51 AM
no it not is easyer to refresh 1 thread evey sec then to refesh the other 13 Iwataton threadids every sec a keep a look out for new threadids.
less than 8 hour woot woot !!! I've gone nut for Iwata puff woo hoo!
Post by: wandering on September 15, 2005, 10:01:33 AM
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Originally posted by: vudu
This thread sucks. It's pointless.
Not really. With big speeches like this, doesn't PGC generally have a stream-of-consiousness thread that starts well before the speech does? News will be posted to the main page.
Iwata reincarnate your avatar is, or Iwata reincarnate your avatar is not. There is no pretend.
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Originally posted by: KDR
Germany got a patent on secret polices.
Actually, that's a common misconception. Nintendo was the FIRST to introduce a secret police force. Problem was, they didn't have the in-house resources to produce enough officers to be effective....and they were unwilling to contract out to 3rd parties to get the job done. har-dee har har
Post by: The Omen on September 15, 2005, 10:09:59 AM
Plus, I'm a fascist anyway.
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 15, 2005, 10:21:10 AM
Post by: Hostile Creation on September 15, 2005, 10:24:31 AM
Okay not really, I sorta regret sleeping through class. It's my favorite class, too.
But still, IWATATON, eh?
Post by: vudu on September 15, 2005, 10:26:32 AM
QuoteWhich reminds me, why did your avatar shink in size a couple weeks ago? I found it odd....
I use my own avatar, of my own hero.
QuoteYeah, I know. I always hated that. Because they you have 7 pages worth of garble, 4 pages worth of good info and then a new thread opens up in Talkback and everything gets seperated into two threads. It makes me sad.
With big speeches like this, doesn't PGC generally has a stream-of-consiousness thread that starts well before the speech does? News will be posted to the main page.
Post by: stevey on September 15, 2005, 10:42:58 AM
Post by: ShyGuy on September 15, 2005, 11:32:41 AM
http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/05/19/news_6125236.html
"He (Iwata) said several games were in development for the device, including Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles and Dragon Quest."
teh pre-post-iwataton?
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 15, 2005, 11:34:46 AM
Post by: Artimus on September 15, 2005, 12:18:08 PM
"YOU WANT A REVOLUTION? Here one is."
And I love how he waits for people to laugh at jokes. Though I assume that will be less awkward at TGS since he'll be speaking in Japanese.
Post by: Kraven on September 15, 2005, 12:23:54 PM
Post by: Artimus on September 15, 2005, 12:26:12 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 15, 2005, 12:34:33 PM
Post by: Artimus on September 15, 2005, 12:36:22 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 15, 2005, 12:37:59 PM
Post by: kirby_killer_dedede on September 15, 2005, 12:56:18 PM
ENIXTON
Oddly enough though, according to some users over there, when they actually clicked on the link even when the site was up, it led to a similar error that's been showing up on and off all day.
After the disapointment with the AMN announcement, I decided it be best not to get my hopes up for tonight, but qute honestly, this alone confirms that there's going to be a LOT of news today from MISUTA IWATA SAN.
Before I cared more that he weas giving a speech, since his speeches tend to rock. Now I care more that the Rev is finally coming.
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 15, 2005, 12:58:00 PM
Post by: Mario on September 15, 2005, 12:59:35 PM
4 hours 3 minutes 10 seconds!
Post by: vudu on September 15, 2005, 12:59:51 PM
Post by: The Omen on September 15, 2005, 01:01:13 PM
Quote
Quote
I use my own avatar, of my own hero.
Which reminds me, why did your avatar shink in size a couple weeks ago? I found it odd....
I have no clue.
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"He (Iwata) said several games were in development for the device, including Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles and Dragon Quest."
teh pre-post-iwataton?
If I remember correctly, Gamespot made it seem that quote was pointing to a DS version of DQ, though they seem to have changed their tune since.
Post by: KnowsNothing on September 15, 2005, 01:01:21 PM
Revolution cannot handle Dragon Quest graficks.
Post by: Dirk Temporo on September 15, 2005, 01:23:31 PM
So close!
Post by: kirby_killer_dedede on September 15, 2005, 01:55:23 PM
Post by: NotSoStu on September 15, 2005, 02:00:46 PM
Post by: Mario on September 15, 2005, 02:02:03 PM
LESS THAN 3 HOURS! (til it's about to start!)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 15, 2005, 02:11:17 PM
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Originally posted by: Stu L Tissimus
*awaits another picture*
scroll up to his post b4 last...
Post by: wandering on September 15, 2005, 02:14:15 PM
But then, Nintendo wouldn't really be stupid enough to let us get our hopes up for nothing, would they?
Oh. Wait.
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 15, 2005, 02:14:22 PM
Post by: Mario on September 15, 2005, 02:17:05 PM
Post by: NotSoStu on September 15, 2005, 02:20:29 PM
Post by: mantidor on September 15, 2005, 02:31:20 PM
Post by: Mario on September 15, 2005, 02:33:59 PM
Post by: Hostile Creation on September 15, 2005, 02:37:40 PM
Post by: kirby_killer_dedede on September 15, 2005, 02:39:50 PM
and as mario said, there has to be a reason for the press site exploding...
EDIT: it's down again...
Post by: Fro on September 15, 2005, 02:55:29 PM
Post by: Dasmos on September 15, 2005, 02:55:29 PM
It's a damn good photoshop if it is one!
Post by: Chris1 on September 15, 2005, 03:03:45 PM
Post by: Artimus on September 15, 2005, 03:07:58 PM
Post by: Chris1 on September 15, 2005, 03:19:26 PM
http://nintendo-revolution.blogspot.com/
Post by: Mario on September 15, 2005, 03:34:00 PM
Here we go!!
Post by: MrMojoRising on September 15, 2005, 03:40:52 PM
there, I just came back from the future and all I can say is that IWATATON is amazing!
Oh, and it's really easy to build a time machine in only a couple of minutes, all you need is a Dalorean and psychedelic drugs.
Post by: mantidor on September 15, 2005, 03:40:53 PM
Post by: ThePerm on September 15, 2005, 03:44:44 PM
Post by: Mario on September 15, 2005, 03:46:00 PM
Post by: MrMojoRising on September 15, 2005, 03:46:33 PM
Post by: stevey on September 15, 2005, 04:04:24 PM
fix your clock less than ONE HOUR TILL XBOX AND PLAYSTATION FAN BALLZ WILL BE SMASH BY THE IWATA!!!-TON!!!
Post by: PaLaDiN on September 15, 2005, 04:05:35 PM
Post by: MrMojoRising on September 15, 2005, 04:06:22 PM
How long do you think until we hear anything?
Post by: Bubba on September 15, 2005, 04:07:07 PM
Post by: Artimus on September 15, 2005, 04:07:48 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 15, 2005, 04:09:40 PM
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Originally posted by: ThePerm
well he sounds like robot in english....
More like an AWESOME robot... >=O
Post by: stevey on September 15, 2005, 04:12:17 PM
1pm(sydney) 9/16/2005
12n(tokyo town) 9/16/2005
11am(hong kong) 9/16/2005
10am(bang cock) 9/16/2005
6am(moscow) 9/16/2005
4am(paris) 9/16/2005
3am(london) 9/16/2005
10pm(new york) 9/15/2005
9pm(chicago) 9/15/2005
8pm(dever) 9/15/2005
7pm(la) 9/15/2005
5pm(honlulu)9/15/2005
holy sh!t my 666 post O_O
Post by: mantidor on September 15, 2005, 04:12:54 PM
), including the way he speaks in english.
Post by: Bubba on September 15, 2005, 04:13:21 PM
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Originally posted by: Artimus
We stil have an hour til he starts (more really). I'd say he starts 15 mins late and we hear within an hour.
So we should hear around 11:00 to 11:30ish EST then? I hope it will be good
Post by: Pale on September 15, 2005, 04:19:41 PM
Post by: MrMojoRising on September 15, 2005, 04:24:09 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 15, 2005, 04:27:52 PM
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Originally posted by: mantidor
I find Iwata kind of cute (in a "teddy bear" or "kitten" kind of cute before you people get any ideas
Well I find Iwata cute, period!
Post by: Mario on September 15, 2005, 04:29:20 PM
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Originally posted by: Pale
Has anything come out of the MS keynote yet? That just started.... If we aren't seeing a feed or real time reporting on that.. we aren't gonna see it for the rev.
Nobody went to the MS keynote.
Post by: Pale on September 15, 2005, 04:30:17 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 15, 2005, 04:30:26 PM
Quote
Originally posted by: Pale
Has anything come out of the MS keynote yet? That just started.... If we aren't seeing a feed or real time reporting on that.. we aren't gonna see it for the rev.
Just a montage of footage that really wasn't that impressive...
Post by: Pale on September 15, 2005, 04:34:35 PM
http://www.gamespot.com/onthespot/index.html
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 15, 2005, 04:39:30 PM
Post by: Pale on September 15, 2005, 04:40:28 PM
Post by: IceCold on September 15, 2005, 04:40:37 PM
Popcorn - check
Caffeine Free Diet Wild Cherry Coke with a Twist of Lemon - check
Fingers massaged - check
Countdown Timer window open - check
Wavebird - check
Post by: stevey on September 15, 2005, 04:41:39 PM
Post by: KnowsNothing on September 15, 2005, 04:49:04 PM
Calm before the storm?
Post by: Pale on September 15, 2005, 04:49:47 PM
Post by: Mario on September 15, 2005, 04:52:15 PM
Post by: IceCold on September 15, 2005, 04:52:26 PM
Gotta ease the anxiety some way.
Post by: stevey on September 15, 2005, 04:52:28 PM
we ceckinging if there no other threadid that come up, nintendo.com, and jack off at pic of IWATA
Post by: ShyGuy on September 15, 2005, 04:53:30 PM
Post by: ThePerm on September 15, 2005, 04:53:53 PM
but its usually pretty dead except right now
hehehe
livelY!!!
Post by: NRevolutionR on September 15, 2005, 04:55:20 PM
And just wandering, wouldn't it be 7 E, 8 M, 9C, 10 E?
Post by: Mario on September 15, 2005, 04:55:41 PM
Post by: IceCold on September 15, 2005, 04:56:03 PM
Post by: Mario on September 15, 2005, 04:56:19 PM
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What's going to happen to us if nothing happens?
Something!
Post by: Pale on September 15, 2005, 04:57:35 PM
Post by: joeposh on September 15, 2005, 04:58:06 PM
It's like Space World before the Cube all over again...
Post by: Don'tHate742 on September 15, 2005, 04:58:49 PM
NTSC-Uk Interview with Wada...
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“Is the controller really worthy of all the rumours and speculation that have surrounded it? Is it really as exciting as everyone seems to be making it out to be?” I ask.
“It is. I really can’t say anything about it though. It’s top secret. You won’t have long to wait though - Nintendo will be making an announcement regarding it soon”
“Ah, at the Tokyo Game Show?”
“Actually it’s very unlikely that the Revolution controller will make an appearance at TGS. The announcement is very close however, it will be made sometime in September.”
.....?
Post by: IceCold on September 15, 2005, 05:00:30 PM
EDIT: OK you just linked. Wait, link isnt working
Post by: NotSoStu on September 15, 2005, 05:00:50 PM
Post by: Pale on September 15, 2005, 05:00:51 PM
Post by: Mario on September 15, 2005, 05:01:03 PM
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Originally posted by: Don'tHate742
Uh - OhQuote
“Is the controller really worthy of all the rumours and speculation that have surrounded it? Is it really as exciting as everyone seems to be making it out to be?” I ask.
“It is. I really can’t say anything about it though. It’s top secret. You won’t have long to wait though - Nintendo will be making an announcement regarding it soon”
“Ah, at the Tokyo Game Show?”
“Actually it’s very unlikely that the Revolution controller will make an appearance at TGS. The announcement is very close however, it will be made sometime in September.”
.....?
He means it wont be at the actual show, because Nintendo don't have a booth and stuff, nothing to see here.
GCA supposedly are having "up to the minute" coverage live from the speech, but their site is getting absolutely hammered, I can't even load it. http://gc.advancedmn.com/article.php?artid=5718
Post by: Dirk Temporo on September 15, 2005, 05:01:33 PM
Post by: NRevolutionR on September 15, 2005, 05:01:47 PM
Post by: Don'tHate742 on September 15, 2005, 05:01:54 PM
Post by: joeposh on September 15, 2005, 05:04:12 PM
Quote
Originally posted by: MarioQuote
Originally posted by: Don'tHate742
Uh - OhQuote
“Is the controller really worthy of all the rumours and speculation that have surrounded it? Is it really as exciting as everyone seems to be making it out to be?” I ask.
“It is. I really can’t say anything about it though. It’s top secret. You won’t have long to wait though - Nintendo will be making an announcement regarding it soon”
“Ah, at the Tokyo Game Show?”
“Actually it’s very unlikely that the Revolution controller will make an appearance at TGS. The announcement is very close however, it will be made sometime in September.”
.....?
He means it wont be at the actual show, because Nintendo don't have a booth and stuff, nothing to see here.
GCA supposedly are having "up to the minute" coverage live from the speech, but their site is getting absolutely hammered, I can't even load it. http://gc.advancedmn.com/article.php?artid=5718
By up to the minute they mean as soon as the speech gets out... just like every other site. Forget about advancedmn, those losers tricked me and many others with the tuesdayton and I refuse to believe they have anything special planned for tonight either.
Post by: Artimus on September 15, 2005, 05:04:36 PM
http://cube.ign.com/articles/651/651320p1.html
Up to the minute. And it won't get overloaded!
Post by: Strell on September 15, 2005, 05:05:33 PM
Post by: IceCold on September 15, 2005, 05:06:07 PM
BTW, which Wada was that in the interview? The Square Enix one?
Post by: Artimus on September 15, 2005, 05:06:16 PM
"We've got a lot of stuff embargoed for a 7:50 posting."
Meaning they know?
Post by: Don'tHate742 on September 15, 2005, 05:06:42 PM
I don't expect any information till all the keynotes are done with and theres a break for the press to wander around TGS.
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Originally posted by: IceCold
8:03 by my watch
BTW, which Wada was that in the interview? The Square Enix one?
The one that works on Harvest Moon
Post by: Mario on September 15, 2005, 05:07:07 PM
Post by: Artimus on September 15, 2005, 05:07:32 PM
Post by: stevey on September 15, 2005, 05:07:52 PM
Post by: Artimus on September 15, 2005, 05:08:24 PM
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Originally posted by: Mario
"7:50" is right after the Iwata speech is officially scheduled to finish, looks like there's an NDA that lifts then.
Except they say they'll be updating that page, that "rough format", until then. Meaning they know what he's going to say but they can't post their pre-made articles until after, only do live updates to that one article.
Post by: PaLaDiN on September 15, 2005, 05:09:41 PM
They can only get news and pictures online till then.
Post by: Don'tHate742 on September 15, 2005, 05:10:31 PM
Post by: MrMojoRising on September 15, 2005, 05:11:43 PM
Post by: joeposh on September 15, 2005, 05:12:07 PM
Quote
Originally posted by: Artimus
They have wireless internet, Don'tHate, so they'll update as it happens. But if they're embargoed til 7:50 then that means they know stuff already?
Yup that means they have articles ready to go as soon as that time passes. Matt was apparently posting on the IGN insiders board today and sounding really excited TGS, which should be taken as a good sign since he seems to have been rather skeptical of the Revo up until now.
Post by: Artimus on September 15, 2005, 05:12:35 PM
Post by: Mario on September 15, 2005, 05:12:36 PM
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# Keynote begins at 7:00 PST.
# IGN editors wait.
# Readers scream for news.
# More coming...
Post by: NRevolutionR on September 15, 2005, 05:13:09 PM
Lets hope Im not that disapointed either.
Lets start singing victory songs.
Come on everyone yall all know how to dance to Pac Man fever!
Post by: Mario on September 15, 2005, 05:13:12 PM
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Originally posted by: Don'tHate742
So Mario, do you really think they'll still show the controller even after that interview?
Yes, or at least SOMETHING that we haven't seen before.
Post by: King of Twitch on September 15, 2005, 05:14:15 PM
Post by: IceCold on September 15, 2005, 05:14:49 PM
Post by: BigJim on September 15, 2005, 05:14:52 PM
Post by: Artimus on September 15, 2005, 05:14:52 PM
Post by: IceCold on September 15, 2005, 05:16:53 PM
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More screaming
Post by: stevey on September 15, 2005, 05:17:00 PM
Post by: ThePerm on September 15, 2005, 05:17:03 PM
Post by: Strell on September 15, 2005, 05:17:21 PM
Post by: Fro on September 15, 2005, 05:17:21 PM
Post by: anubis6789 on September 15, 2005, 05:18:19 PM
WHY DO THEY HATE US?!?
Post by: Strell on September 15, 2005, 05:18:27 PM
2) someone hack IGN
Post by: NRevolutionR on September 15, 2005, 05:18:38 PM
Your drooling at the mouth over this.
Post by: kirby_killer_dedede on September 15, 2005, 05:18:47 PM
Post by: BigJim on September 15, 2005, 05:19:06 PM
Post by: IceCold on September 15, 2005, 05:19:14 PM
QuoteHow dare you no be prepared for IWATATON?
Originally posted by: ThePerm
i cant wait my bowels ae weak!
Post by: kirby_killer_dedede on September 15, 2005, 05:19:20 PM
Post by: IceCold on September 15, 2005, 05:19:49 PM
QuoteI bet many other ppl will post htis
Iwata says Nintendo has built a bigger game population in three ways: Famicom Mini (shows commercials). GB Micro. Promises more shipments next week. Then he mentioned it was Mario's Birthday week. Miyamoto stands up. Number three, Iwata says, is Nintendo DS.
Post by: Artimus on September 15, 2005, 05:20:49 PM
Woo.
Post by: Mario on September 15, 2005, 05:21:25 PM
It's started!Quote
# Keynote begins at 7:00 PST.
# IGN editors wait.
# Readers scream for news.
# Iwata says Nintendo has built a bigger game population in three ways: Famicom Mini (shows commercials). GB Micro. Promises more shipments next week. Then he mentioned it was Mario's Birthday week. Miyamoto stands up. Number three, Iwata says, is Nintendo DS.
# More...
MOOOORE
Post by: joeposh on September 15, 2005, 05:21:32 PM
http://boards.ign.com/Revolution_Lobby/b8270/98843998/?19
Post by: Mario on September 15, 2005, 05:23:27 PM
Quote
* Keynote begins at 7:00 PST.
* IGN editors wait.
* Readers scream for news.
* Iwata says Nintendo has built a bigger game population in three ways: Famicom Mini (shows commercials). GB Micro. Promises more shipments next week. Then he mentioned it was Mario's Birthday week. Miyamoto stands up. Number three, Iwata says, is Nintendo DS.
http://cubemedia.ign.com/cube/image/article/651/651320/live-from-tgs-iwatas-keynote-20050915071749469.jpg
* Iwata mentions "touch generation" games such as Nintendogs and Brain Trainer.
* More soon...
Post by: stevey on September 15, 2005, 05:23:28 PM
WHY DO THEY HATE US?!? "
becuase nintendo love you
Post by: kirby_killer_dedede on September 15, 2005, 05:25:12 PM
Post by: anubis6789 on September 15, 2005, 05:25:12 PM
WHY MUST THEY TEASE US SO?!?
That better?
Post by: Mario on September 15, 2005, 05:25:49 PM
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* Nintendogs has topped one million units shipped in Japan already, according to Iwata.
Nothing about Rev yet, but he has 50 minutes, and he has to talk abuot this stuff, so better to get it out of the way.
Post by: Renny on September 15, 2005, 05:26:41 PM
Post by: Strell on September 15, 2005, 05:26:43 PM
eeeeeeee
GO IWATATON
Post by: stevey on September 15, 2005, 05:26:50 PM
WHY MUST THEY TEASE US SO?!?
That better? "
because sony hate you so much
Post by: BigJim on September 15, 2005, 05:26:56 PM
Post by: Rhoq on September 15, 2005, 05:27:11 PM
Post by: King of Twitch on September 15, 2005, 05:27:48 PM
Post by: KnowsNothing on September 15, 2005, 05:28:19 PM
Post by: IceCold on September 15, 2005, 05:28:32 PM
Post by: Mario on September 15, 2005, 05:28:41 PM
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60% of Nintendogs buyers picked up the game with a DS, according to Club Nintendo statistics.
Post by: stevey on September 15, 2005, 05:28:57 PM
#Iwata mentions "touch generation" games such as Nintendogs and Brain Trainer.
#Nintendogs has topped one million units shipped in Japan already, according to Iwata.
Post by: Strell on September 15, 2005, 05:29:06 PM
Quote
Originally posted by: KnowsNothing
Bump.
roflmao!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: joeposh on September 15, 2005, 05:29:08 PM
Quote
Originally posted by: MJRx9000
Game sales, percentages, shipments?? SOUNDS LIKE ORK MISCHIEF TO MEEE
That's the beauty of the IWATATON... he coxes you into a false sense of security and comfort and then ATTTAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACK!
Post by: MrMojoRising on September 15, 2005, 05:29:28 PM
Post by: anubis6789 on September 15, 2005, 05:29:30 PM
I want my REV news.
I am also sure the elves are in on this.
Post by: BigJim on September 15, 2005, 05:30:38 PM
Post by: PaLaDiN on September 15, 2005, 05:30:42 PM
Post by: Mario on September 15, 2005, 05:31:33 PM
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Iwata begins topic on how to build game population going forward.
Looks like he might be getting to Rev soon.
Post by: NRevolutionR on September 15, 2005, 05:31:50 PM
Post by: ShyGuy on September 15, 2005, 05:31:55 PM
Post by: IceCold on September 15, 2005, 05:31:59 PM
Post by: anubis6789 on September 15, 2005, 05:32:04 PM
Quote
Originally posted by: PaLaDiN
90% of posters in this thread are going crazy.
Only 90%. I think you are being generous.
Post by: Renny on September 15, 2005, 05:33:02 PM
Post by: mantidor on September 15, 2005, 05:33:07 PM
Quote
Originally posted by: StrellQuote
Originally posted by: KnowsNothing
Bump.
roflmao!!!!!!!!!!
seriously that was the post of the thread!
Post by: IceCold on September 15, 2005, 05:33:20 PM
Post by: BigJim on September 15, 2005, 05:33:20 PM
"Nintendo always wants to expand market", controllers now too difficult
Post by: NRevolutionR on September 15, 2005, 05:33:34 PM
At least for forum tags
Post by: BigJim on September 15, 2005, 05:33:51 PM
Post by: Mario on September 15, 2005, 05:34:06 PM
mcasamassina (10:10:10 PM): I expect a ton of different reactions.
mcasamassina (9:09:22 PM): I'm pretty blown away, but I expect some are going to be scratching their heads.
mcasamassina (9:09:47 PM): We've got super nice pics to post at 7:50 if photos don't break before then.
mcasamassina (9:09:55 PM): Also, hands-on impressions.
Post by: ThePerm on September 15, 2005, 05:34:47 PM
Post by: Mario on September 15, 2005, 05:35:21 PM
Quote
AC and MK first titles
"now nintendo wifi will connect the world"
Now that Nintendo has expanded the gaming world with new games, REVOLUTIONN, SHOW OFF OLD DEIGN
"Nintendo always wants to expand market", controllers now too difficult
need games for veteran games, "I WANNA PLAY" controller INTERFACE
We cannot split the screen?
Post by: BigJim on September 15, 2005, 05:35:29 PM
Conventional way of holding the controller is by two hands, VIDEO ROLLING!!!
Post by: Rhoq on September 15, 2005, 05:35:45 PM
" Now that Nintendo has expanded the gaming world with new games, REVOLUTIONN, SHOW OFF OLD DEIGN
"Nintendo always wants to expand market", controllers now too difficult
need games for veteran games, "I WANNA PLAY" controller INTERFACE
We cannot split the screen?
Conventional way of holding the controller is by two hands, VIDEO ROLLING!!!"
Post by: joeposh on September 15, 2005, 05:36:00 PM
Post by: NRevolutionR on September 15, 2005, 05:36:08 PM
Post by: mantidor on September 15, 2005, 05:36:11 PM
Post by: Nile Boogie on September 15, 2005, 05:36:18 PM
They were waitng for me to get home from workn, now he can speak cause I'm here!!!!
Post by: Mario on September 15, 2005, 05:36:37 PM
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Giant Wi-Fi logo on screen in background. Iwata says he will reveal much more on next-generation Wi-Fi this October.
Plus another stupid pic - http://cubemedia.ign.com/cube/image/article/651/651320/live-from-tgs-iwatas-keynote-20050915073036355.jpg
Post by: Strell on September 15, 2005, 05:36:41 PM
IS ANYONE ELSE HOT?!!?!??!?!
Post by: King of Twitch on September 15, 2005, 05:36:57 PM
AHGGF
Post by: stevey on September 15, 2005, 05:37:04 PM
#60% of Nintendogs buyers picked up the game with a DS, according to Club Nintendo statistics.
#Iwata begins topic on how to build game population going forward.
Post by: IceCold on September 15, 2005, 05:37:24 PM
Post by: BigJim on September 15, 2005, 05:37:38 PM
REVOLUTION CONTROLLER HOLY GOD
(Is this real?)
Post by: PaLaDiN on September 15, 2005, 05:37:39 PM
Post by: Mario on September 15, 2005, 05:37:45 PM
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Conventional way of holding the controller is by two hands, VIDEO ROLLING!!!
people cheering?!?
video still running
"like watching scrambled porn" says correspondent
REVOLUTION CONTROLLER HOLY GOD
Post by: BigJim on September 15, 2005, 05:38:30 PM
REVOLUTION CAN DETECT WHERE CONTROLLER POINTS
THIS IS IT!!
Post by: anubis6789 on September 15, 2005, 05:38:41 PM
Post by: Mario on September 15, 2005, 05:38:48 PM
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we've made bold innovations
REVOLUTION CAN DETECT WHERE CONTROLLER POINTS
THIS IS IT!!
I KNEW IT
Post by: Nile Boogie on September 15, 2005, 05:38:55 PM
Post by: IceCold on September 15, 2005, 05:39:22 PM
Quote
VIDEO ROLLING!!!
people cheering?!?
video still running
"like watching scrambled porn" says correspondent
REVOLUTION CONTROLLER HOLY GOD
Post by: BigJim on September 15, 2005, 05:39:23 PM
Post by: joeposh on September 15, 2005, 05:39:38 PM
Post by: BigJim on September 15, 2005, 05:40:16 PM
sega bass fishing revolution
Post by: Mario on September 15, 2005, 05:40:30 PM
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COOKING GAME??? fishing game..
Was it Miyamoto who always talked about wanting to do a cooking game?
Post by: joeposh on September 15, 2005, 05:40:41 PM
Post by: BigJim on September 15, 2005, 05:41:13 PM
Post by: IceCold on September 15, 2005, 05:41:36 PM
QuoteAnd I was slow last time..
In the fps games it can controll the aiming and moving, it will set a new standard
Post by: ShyGuy on September 15, 2005, 05:41:51 PM
Post by: anubis6789 on September 15, 2005, 05:41:56 PM
I think this is the most excited I have ever been about video game news ever.
Post by: BigJim on September 15, 2005, 05:42:21 PM
new standard in fps
how can it ocntrol ZELDA?
"I hope youre as excited as I"
Iwata talking
Post by: Rhoq on September 15, 2005, 05:42:22 PM
Post by: Mario on September 15, 2005, 05:42:27 PM
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IGN will post high-resolution pictures, hands on impressions, feature breakdowns, roundtables, and more at 7:50 PM -- fewer than 15 minutes.
Post by: Artimus on September 15, 2005, 05:42:40 PM
Hey. I just realized this is the first 'ton' to ever come true!
Post by: Renny on September 15, 2005, 05:42:42 PM
Does Iwata have a boner too?
Post by: Rhoq on September 15, 2005, 05:42:59 PM
# Iwata unveils Revolution controller
# IGN will post high-resolution pictures, hands on impressions, feature breakdowns, roundtables, and more at 7:50 PM -- fewer than 15 minutes.
Post by: BigJim on September 15, 2005, 05:43:03 PM
"Anyone will pick up a tv controller, but not a video game controller, why?"
Post by: stevey on September 15, 2005, 05:43:16 PM
Post by: Strell on September 15, 2005, 05:43:24 PM
Quote
Originally posted by: anubis6789
Ze goggles, zay do nathing!!!
ROFLMAO
Post by: ShyGuy on September 15, 2005, 05:43:32 PM
Post by: couchmonkey on September 15, 2005, 05:43:48 PM
Post by: BigJim on September 15, 2005, 05:43:56 PM
Post by: Dirk Temporo on September 15, 2005, 05:44:11 PM
Is it true? Is it revealed?!
I THINK I'M HYPERVENTILATING!
Post by: PaLaDiN on September 15, 2005, 05:44:18 PM
Post by: BigJim on September 15, 2005, 05:44:45 PM
Square Enix talking
Post by: NRevolutionR on September 15, 2005, 05:44:52 PM
Post by: Mario on September 15, 2005, 05:45:03 PM
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In the fps games it can controll the aiming and moving, it will set a new standard
can explore in the dark with flashlight (in the game)
new standard in fps
how can it ocntrol ZELDA?
"I hope youre as excited as I"
Iwata talking
"Anyone will pick up a tv controller, but not a video game controller, why?"
just like the ds?
"The rev contorller will be a new way of playing"
Square Enix talking
Post by: BigJim on September 15, 2005, 05:45:03 PM
Post by: Nile Boogie on September 15, 2005, 05:45:06 PM
SEPTEMBER 15TH, 2005. REMEMBER THE REVOLUTION!!!!!
Post by: King of Twitch on September 15, 2005, 05:45:18 PM
Post by: anubis6789 on September 15, 2005, 05:45:25 PM
Quote
Originally posted by: ShyGuy
I predict Ian will be disappointed..
Man, Making a prediction like is like shooting fish in a barrel, takes no skill.
Post by: IceCold on September 15, 2005, 05:45:33 PM
Post by: Mario on September 15, 2005, 05:45:41 PM
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"We LIke it"
Konami: "totally unexpected"
GETTING REALLY GOOD
Post by: Guitar Smasher on September 15, 2005, 05:45:45 PM
Post by: IceCold on September 15, 2005, 05:45:45 PM
Post by: BigJim on September 15, 2005, 05:45:48 PM
Konami: "totally unexpected"
GETTING REALLY GOOD
Post by: Renny on September 15, 2005, 05:46:00 PM
Post by: MrMojoRising on September 15, 2005, 05:46:01 PM
IWATA I LOVE YOU!!
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 15, 2005, 05:46:17 PM
Post by: BigJim on September 15, 2005, 05:46:18 PM
iwata again
Post by: Mario on September 15, 2005, 05:46:29 PM
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As easy to use as a tv remote
iwata again
Post by: Strell on September 15, 2005, 05:46:32 PM
Post by: ThePerm on September 15, 2005, 05:46:34 PM
Post by: stevey on September 15, 2005, 05:46:40 PM
SEPTEMBER 15TH, 2005. REMEMBER THE REVOLUTION!!!!! "
ok
Post by: ShyGuy on September 15, 2005, 05:46:46 PM
Post by: Don'tHate742 on September 15, 2005, 05:47:01 PM
Post by: Nile Boogie on September 15, 2005, 05:47:03 PM
Post by: ThePerm on September 15, 2005, 05:47:20 PM
Post by: NRevolutionR on September 15, 2005, 05:47:26 PM
Thank you
Post by: Infernal Monkey on September 15, 2005, 05:47:41 PM
Post by: BigJim on September 15, 2005, 05:47:44 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 15, 2005, 05:47:45 PM
Post by: PaLaDiN on September 15, 2005, 05:47:56 PM
Do you see where I was going with 90%? It's only getting crazier.
Post by: IceCold on September 15, 2005, 05:48:03 PM
QuoteTHIS is what I want to hear
iwata again
virtual console
*missed like a minute of speech *
controlling old games
Post by: BigJim on September 15, 2005, 05:48:05 PM
*missed like a minute of speech sad *
controlling old games..
Post by: Mario on September 15, 2005, 05:48:29 PM
Post by: couchmonkey on September 15, 2005, 05:48:48 PM
All that really means is Nintendo may not capture the non-gamer audience it's aiming for, though. For me this is awesome news.
Post by: blackfootsteps on September 15, 2005, 05:48:50 PM
Can't wait to see these pics!
Post by: Rhoq on September 15, 2005, 05:48:54 PM
Post by: Mario on September 15, 2005, 05:49:17 PM
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# Revolution controller looks like futuristic television remote.
# Glossy white design.
# Looks Apple iPod inspired.
# Controller is held in one hand. Attachments in the other.
# Attachments connect to the bottom of the controller. Iwata shows analog stick attachment.
# Thinking about packing Revolution with the main controller and attachment, Iwata says.
# Controller acts like a mouse in real-space 3D. Pefect for FPS games!
# Future attachments planned.
Post by: stevey on September 15, 2005, 05:49:18 PM
Post by: BigJim on September 15, 2005, 05:49:26 PM
# Glossy white design.
# Looks Apple iPod inspired.
# Controller is held in one hand. Attachments in the other.
# Attachments connect to the bottom of the controller. Iwata shows analog stick attachment.
# Thinking about packing Revolution with the main controller and attachment, Iwata says.
# Controller acts like a mouse in real-space 3D. Pefect for FPS games!
# Future attachments planned.
Post by: Pale on September 15, 2005, 05:49:57 PM
I feel left out
Post by: BigJim on September 15, 2005, 05:50:05 PM
Nitnendo is waiting for your proposals?
We're not only going to make small games
Post by: Professor Gnarly on September 15, 2005, 05:50:22 PM
Post by: ShyGuy on September 15, 2005, 05:50:52 PM
Post by: Dirk Temporo on September 15, 2005, 05:50:58 PM
SOMEONE TELL ME WHY I'M DOUBTING!
Post by: Mario on September 15, 2005, 05:51:10 PM
CONTROLLER PIC
Post by: Rhoq on September 15, 2005, 05:51:14 PM
Post by: Renny on September 15, 2005, 05:51:15 PM
I'll get the plunger.
Post by: couchmonkey on September 15, 2005, 05:51:22 PM
Post by: Don'tHate742 on September 15, 2005, 05:51:23 PM
Post by: BigJim on September 15, 2005, 05:51:34 PM
Post by: Mario on September 15, 2005, 05:52:13 PM
http://cube.ign.com/articles/651/651320p1.html
http://boards.ign.com/Revolution_Lobby/b8270/98843998/p1
Post by: BigJim on September 15, 2005, 05:52:18 PM
Post by: Nile Boogie on September 15, 2005, 05:52:35 PM
Quote
Originally posted by: NRevolutionR
Praise God in the highest for he is good.
Thank you
Amen brother.
SATIN MOST SATIN INDEED.
REVOLUTION GET!!!
Post by: BigJim on September 15, 2005, 05:52:36 PM
# Future attachments planned.
Post by: joeposh on September 15, 2005, 05:53:00 PM
Post by: Mario on September 15, 2005, 05:53:33 PM
Another Controller pic!
Post by: Pale on September 15, 2005, 05:53:54 PM
Post by: couchmonkey on September 15, 2005, 05:53:56 PM
Quote
Originally posted by: BigJim
correspond: WORST CONTROLLER EVER (exaggeration i hope)
Worstness is in the eye of the beholder. See PS2 vs. GCN vs. Xbox controller debates. But I'll shut it until I see pictures and here impressions of people who have held it.
Post by: BigJim on September 15, 2005, 05:54:00 PM
Post by: mantidor on September 15, 2005, 05:55:00 PM
Post by: BigJim on September 15, 2005, 05:55:10 PM
CONFERENCE OVER!
Post by: Pale on September 15, 2005, 05:55:28 PM
Post by: BigJim on September 15, 2005, 05:56:01 PM
Post by: Caliban on September 15, 2005, 05:56:21 PM
Post by: King of Twitch on September 15, 2005, 05:56:54 PM
Post by: blackfootsteps on September 15, 2005, 05:56:55 PM
Post by: NRevolutionR on September 15, 2005, 05:56:57 PM
Because I'm scared.
Post by: SgtShiversBen on September 15, 2005, 05:56:59 PM
Post by: trip1eX on September 15, 2005, 05:57:17 PM
Post by: IceCold on September 15, 2005, 05:58:12 PM
Post by: stevey on September 15, 2005, 05:58:41 PM
Post by: King of Twitch on September 15, 2005, 05:59:08 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 15, 2005, 06:00:19 PM
Post by: couchmonkey on September 15, 2005, 06:00:22 PM
Edit: I PRAY it comes in more than Ipod white. (remembering how Nintendo showed like six GameCube colours at launch).
Post by: blackfootsteps on September 15, 2005, 06:00:27 PM
Quote
Originally posted by: IceCold
BigJim the analogue stick is an attachment. You can either hold it sideways and use the D-Pad and the buttons or use the attachment with one hand and the controller in the other
So it'll be awesome for NES games but what about SNES or N64?
Am I the only one that likes a little colour in buttons.
Post by: ShyGuy on September 15, 2005, 06:01:01 PM
Post by: Professor Gnarly on September 15, 2005, 06:01:25 PM
Post by: blackfootsteps on September 15, 2005, 06:02:07 PM
Post by: stevey on September 15, 2005, 06:02:23 PM
Post by: ShyGuy on September 15, 2005, 06:02:50 PM
Post by: MANTI5 on September 15, 2005, 06:03:10 PM
It pretty much kills the ability to port games to the Rev.
Post by: Nile Boogie on September 15, 2005, 06:03:36 PM
I Love it I love it.
Post by: Professor Gnarly on September 15, 2005, 06:04:00 PM
Post by: blackfootsteps on September 15, 2005, 06:05:22 PM
Quote
Originally posted by: Nile Boogie
Please don't forget that you can still use the WAVEBIRD for ports of 360 and PS3 games.
I Love it I love it.
That's handy you need 8 controllers instead of 4.
(I like the new design btw)
Post by: IceCold on September 15, 2005, 06:05:43 PM
Post by: MANTI5 on September 15, 2005, 06:06:40 PM
Post by: Strell on September 15, 2005, 06:07:31 PM
Because you were right the f*** on.
Post by: Dirk Temporo on September 15, 2005, 06:07:47 PM
Post by: stevey on September 15, 2005, 06:08:28 PM
Post by: Caliban on September 15, 2005, 06:11:04 PM
Post by: mantidor on September 15, 2005, 06:13:50 PM
Quote
Originally posted by: Caliban
I'm still phased because of it, I'm trying to read the article on 1UP but I'm too excited and curious and clueless that I can't control myself
LOL same for me, but every impression Ive read said its awesome, we shouldve known this, the Rev controller wasnt going to make people say "it rocks!" or " it sucks" but more like "WTF!!??"
Post by: Dirk Temporo on September 15, 2005, 06:14:24 PM
Post by: Mario on September 15, 2005, 06:14:38 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 15, 2005, 06:14:39 PM
Post by: Rhoq on September 15, 2005, 06:15:37 PM
Quote
Originally posted by: Dirk Temporo
So when do IGN and Gamespot finally get a friggin' Revolution section?
When games are confirmed the Revolution, would be my guess.
Post by: BigJim on September 15, 2005, 06:16:22 PM
Post by: Rhoq on September 15, 2005, 06:16:37 PM
Post by: trip1eX on September 15, 2005, 06:17:01 PM
Perhaps tho they make the remote part look a bit more kewl.
Post by: Ian Sane on September 15, 2005, 06:17:07 PM
I have to try it out. It looks like it would take some time to get used to but it might work.
There are a few big issues though:
1. A TV remote is not really designed for quick button pushes or at least not like that required for a game. Imagine playing a really intense game on your TV remote. Something like a fighter or a shmup would be pretty hard. This is PERFECT for RPGs though. I can see why Square Enix loves it.
2. Ports. This looks too different for us to get many ports. We might get an N64 scenario where the Nintendo console and the other consoles get totally different games and the Nintendo console gets less.
3. How do I use the d-pad and the buttons at the same time? This is even WORSE than the Cube design for d-pad control.
4. Ergonomics. I showed to this to my Mom, the target demographic, and she feels the Cube controller is less intimidating because the buttons are right where you want them. Here you have to slide your hand up and down to reach certain buttons. How many of you can press every button on your TV remote by feel? I can do the numbers and the volume but for the lower down stuff I have to look.
5. Attachments mean non-standard controller. In other words the "no game supports this because not everyone has it" routine is going to be worse.
6. My Mom isn't interested and I think it looks more intimidating. If non-gamers don't like it and real gamers have to adjust to it then it's a complete failure.
7. "Thinking about packing Revolution with the main controller and attachment, Iwata says." What? Not packing a controller is actually a consideration. That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard.
What I like about it at first glance:
1. Creative and innovative as hell. Nintendo is clearly thinking out of the box with this one. Their logic that everyone uses a TV remote is not bad in theory, I just think it's flawed. But it's a plan at least. It doesn't look they promised innovation and then went "sh!t. What do we do." It looks calculated.
2. I can see most games working on this, it will just take some practice. Most Nintendo games anyway.
3. The mouse movement isn't a bad idea in theory (I'm saying "theory" a lot here). I don't want games where I wave my arms the whole damn time but it has some potential if used correctly.
4. I don't see it scaring away all third parties. I don't see it attracting tons of stuff either but the "no third party support" scenario I feared isn't going to happen. RPGs are going to be REALLY popular on the Rev.
My overall opinion is that it's way better than I thought but it's still a little too weird. I fear non-gamers are not going to give a sh!t and Nintendo will have fixed what wasn't broken for real gamers for nothing. This looks MORE hardcore than any controller I've ever seen. It will likely have the exact opposite effect that Nintendo was aiming for. I don't see Nintendo going broke over it though. I also don't see myself rushing out to buy it though I do want to try it, if that makes sense.
Now let's see the games.
Post by: IceCold on September 15, 2005, 06:17:13 PM
And how do you know it feels as intuitive as MP2 on the Cube?
Post by: Caliban on September 15, 2005, 06:17:23 PM
Post by: Dirk Temporo on September 15, 2005, 06:17:33 PM
WHY IS JONATHAN SPEECHLESS? IS THIS A GOOD THING?
Post by: MANTI5 on September 15, 2005, 06:18:16 PM
Post by: couchmonkey on September 15, 2005, 06:18:43 PM
Edit: Never mind, the real Ian is here! And surprisingly optimistic. Cool.
Post by: Renny on September 15, 2005, 06:20:15 PM
Post by: Nile Boogie on September 15, 2005, 06:21:28 PM
And I really don't think Sony or MS will be copying this any time soon.
I love it. So sexy next to my iMac.
iPod Nano Gamboy Micro, Revolution Controller ...
Post by: ShyGuy on September 15, 2005, 06:21:35 PM
Post by: mantidor on September 15, 2005, 06:22:07 PM
Post by: kennyb27 on September 15, 2005, 06:22:39 PM
Not impressed at all.
Post by: MANTI5 on September 15, 2005, 06:24:44 PM
It pains me greatly to be saying this as I am a Nintendo fan, and have been since the NES was first released, but it looks like I'll be going with 360.
Post by: Fro on September 15, 2005, 06:25:20 PM
With the Analog attachment, you have...
A/B, D-Pad, analog stick start/select, L1, L2, move controller left, move controller right, move controller down, move controller up, tilt controller left, tilt controller right, move controller forward, move controller backwards.
That's more than enough functions for any game.
Post by: IceCold on September 15, 2005, 06:25:30 PM
But what happened to the Miyamoto blowout? All in one software controller etc
Post by: stevey on September 15, 2005, 06:25:36 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 15, 2005, 06:25:50 PM
Dude, did you not read my post? They played Metroid Prime 2 with it...How could they NOT get MP3 working on it?
Not impressed at all.
Good for you, I'm glad you made your decision on it before you could try it for yourself...
Post by: Dirk Temporo on September 15, 2005, 06:26:13 PM
The D-Pad IS face buttons!
Post by: Pale on September 15, 2005, 06:26:23 PM
Post by: trip1eX on September 15, 2005, 06:27:03 PM
Quote
Originally posted by: Fro
You can turn the controller sideways and it's an NES controller.
With the Analog attachment, you have...
A/B, D-Pad, analog stick start/select, L1, L2, move controller left, move controller right, move controller down, move controller up, tilt controller left, tilt controller right, move controller forward, move controller backwards.
That's more than enough functions for any game.
Plus you can rotate the controller which I think is different than tilting it left or right. (ie rotate in a horizontal plane.)
This thing is loaded with functions.
Post by: BigJim on September 15, 2005, 06:27:15 PM
Post by: slacker on September 15, 2005, 06:27:35 PM
I'll be an optimist and say that this will make me want to play 3d games more than 2D ones because now the controls are more intuitive. I personally hated the 3D generation because of camera issues and control. So, with this setup, I expect 3D games to be more fun (especially fps games). This is promising. Pretty much if Nintendo wasn't showing something like this for revolution, I would have quit playing console games. I haven't play the cube or ps2 in months....
Post by: Galford on September 15, 2005, 06:27:43 PM
Are there any shots of gameplay demos on the web yet?
I wonder if Nintendo is trying to make this the next SNES?
The SNES was considered a system designed for RPGs.
I would say more but Ian has already posted 95% of my thoughts.
Post by: KnowsNothing on September 15, 2005, 06:27:53 PM
Post by: kirby_killer_dedede on September 15, 2005, 06:28:00 PM
The bottom ones are meant for when you're holding it sideways with the d-pad.
The top ones are to be used in conjunction with the analog stick.
It looks intimidating at first glance, but break it down piece by piece...it's revolutionary.
EDIT: Any screens yet?
Post by: Pale on September 15, 2005, 06:29:08 PM
Post by: Dirk Temporo on September 15, 2005, 06:29:45 PM
D-Pad=face buttons!
Post by: ThePerm on September 15, 2005, 06:29:46 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 15, 2005, 06:31:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by: Pale
Heh... it cracks me up to read a post by someone saying they aren't gonna buy it based on pictures of the controller. You're an idiot.
Quoted for truth...Seriously, basing it on pics and claiming it'll suck proves you aren't a Nintendo fan...Get out now, please...
Post by: ThePerm on September 15, 2005, 06:31:35 PM
Post by: anubis6789 on September 15, 2005, 06:32:17 PM
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Originally posted by: Dirk Temporo
EVERYONE READ!
D-Pad=face buttons!
Thats great and all, but you can't say for instance hit up and down at the same time eith a cross shaped D-pad.
that little port on the bottom for additions really does intrigue me. Can anyone say controller port.
Post by: Pale on September 15, 2005, 06:33:09 PM
We should see both the analog one shown and a generic button one packaged at launch...
All you fighter fans, listen to this...
See how the person is holding the stick in the left hand and controller in the right? Imagine a nice 4-6 face button adaptor designed for the right hand...
Now you have the main controllers d-pad in your left and the buttons in your right... perfect for fighters.
See... frigging sweet.
Post by: couchmonkey on September 15, 2005, 06:33:51 PM
However, 2D fighters are one fairly small genre. (Edit: and Pale is right, a six-button accessory could run it...but it had better be under $10...I don't want to spend $500 putting together the ultimate four-player Revolution rig)
I'm REALLY looking forward to what this puppy can do for FPS's as well as new, unique game concepts. I want to see games!!
Post by: Dirk Temporo on September 15, 2005, 06:33:56 PM
Quote
Originally posted by: Pale
The concept of attachments is awesome, but I do super agree that a set of them need to be standardized.
We should see both the analog one shown and a generic button one packaged at launch...
All you fighter fans, listen to this...
See how the person is holding the stick in the left hand and controller in the right? Imagine a nice 4-6 face button adaptor designed for the right hand...
Now you have the main controllers d-pad in your left and the buttons in your right... perfect for fighters.
See... frigging sweet.
*GASP!*
You're right!
I'm so excited!
Post by: Artimus on September 15, 2005, 06:33:57 PM
Post by: Nile Boogie on September 15, 2005, 06:34:08 PM
Don't make me call my friend Uma!!!!
Post by: KnowsNothing on September 15, 2005, 06:34:13 PM
Post by: ShyGuy on September 15, 2005, 06:34:18 PM
Post by: Chris1 on September 15, 2005, 06:34:29 PM
Post by: Ian Sane on September 15, 2005, 06:35:13 PM
NO ONE IS GOING TO RETOOL SH!T. Nintendo isn't the market leader. No one will go to that effort for them. If a game doesn't work as is on this controller it's just not going to be ported. Nintendo's the oddball. First and second place use one design while third place uses another. That means first and second place are the standard.
I think they should put more buttons surrounding the A button on the remote. Two buttons is way too few. The Genesis was struggling with three buttons over TEN YEARS AGO. My TV remote has a big menu button in the center with four buttons around it for volume and channel. It works very well and I don't have to look at it. This controller would be much better with that addition.
I think Nintendo is going to retool this thing and add more buttons. Or maybe they'll just scrap it entirely if people react to it poorly. The mouse movement part of it will still work with something more traditional.
I like how you can hold is sideways. It's incredibly non-ergonomic but that's a good idea. Well a better idea would probably be to not have a remote in the first place but for it's a good workaround for a pretty questionable idea.
Oh I like how you can turn the console on/off from the controller. Very good idea.
Regular batteries? Boo! Anything other than rechargable is unacceptable.
I'm just reading through 1up's article and commenting as I go. I'll probably post more opinions as I find out more info.
Post by: PaLaDiN on September 15, 2005, 06:35:26 PM
Think about holding this in the left hand with a button attachment on the right. No need to point.
There you go, problem fixed.
Haha, somebody already mentioned that.
The only problems I see now are standardization and N64 games.
They need to have an analog and a button attachment as standard.
Post by: stevey on September 15, 2005, 06:35:39 PM
Post by: Dirk Temporo on September 15, 2005, 06:35:54 PM
WTF? So they haven't put up a section because they don't know the 100% official name? That's dumb.
Post by: Mop it up on September 15, 2005, 06:37:31 PM
Post by: King of Twitch on September 15, 2005, 06:38:04 PM
Post by: MANTI5 on September 15, 2005, 06:38:20 PM
Quote
Originally posted by: Pale
The concept of attachments is awesome, but I do super agree that a set of them need to be standardized.
We should see both the analog one shown and a generic button one packaged at launch...
All you fighter fans, listen to this...
See how the person is holding the stick in the left hand and controller in the right? Imagine a nice 4-6 face button adaptor designed for the right hand...
Now you have the main controllers d-pad in your left and the buttons in your right... perfect for fighters.
See... frigging sweet.
But honestly, who wants tons of atatchments dangeling all over the place?
And saying a fan can't be negative or voice concerns is idiotic.
Post by: MrMojoRising on September 15, 2005, 06:38:29 PM
I really REALLY hope they make wireless classic controllers for NES, SNES, and 64 nonetheless.
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 15, 2005, 06:40:31 PM
Quote
Originally posted by: MANTI5Quote
Originally posted by: Pale
The concept of attachments is awesome, but I do super agree that a set of them need to be standardized.
We should see both the analog one shown and a generic button one packaged at launch...
All you fighter fans, listen to this...
See how the person is holding the stick in the left hand and controller in the right? Imagine a nice 4-6 face button adaptor designed for the right hand...
Now you have the main controllers d-pad in your left and the buttons in your right... perfect for fighters.
See... frigging sweet.
But honestly, who wants tons of atatchments dangeling all over the place?
And saying a fan can't be negative or voice concerns is idiotic.
No, saying you won't buy the Revolution because of an image is idiotic...
Post by: Spak-Spang on September 15, 2005, 06:41:30 PM
Remember this is just a prototype of the controller still...and perhaps the reason why is to keep it looking different and keep questions.
Nintendo could easily redesign the controller to have 4 buttons when holding the controller like a NES system.
It can also add several new function ideas with the attachments.
I am really looking forward to this idea.
I hope one of the attachments allows you to connect two together and you can create a boxing games, or music games.
Really this is an extension of Japanese-minded gaming and not American, which I love.
Also, I fully expect wireless SNES, and N64 controllers for the system now.
Long Live Nintendo...for creating something different.
Post by: Caliban on September 15, 2005, 06:41:36 PM
Post by: The Omen on September 15, 2005, 06:43:30 PM
Overall, I'd say my first impression was this: THAT'S BAD ASS...
Post by: Nile Boogie on September 15, 2005, 06:44:37 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 15, 2005, 06:44:52 PM
Look...
Post by: Dirk Temporo on September 15, 2005, 06:44:54 PM
Huh. That's funny. Somehow I thought the PS3, being a "super computer" as opposed to a "gaming machine" would take that title.
-_-
This doesn't bode well. The only people who are excited about it are the people who read all the info about it. Casual gamers, and even moreso non-gamers, aren't going to read about it.
Post by: KnowsNothing on September 15, 2005, 06:44:58 PM
Post by: mantidor on September 15, 2005, 06:45:15 PM
Post by: Pale on September 15, 2005, 06:45:49 PM
"Yeah, what the hell? why would these not have rechargables when the wavebirds do?"
Then I remembered I just bought rechargable batteries with my wavebirds years ago and forgot about them... big deal.
Post by: Don'tHate742 on September 15, 2005, 06:47:20 PM
I knew it! I knew it would split into two...It made too much F**King sense.
I don't like it either though. How the hell is it soppose to be backwards compatible? Just cause I own a GC, doesn't mean I should have to use my controllers.
Also, like I said before....there's BARELY ANY functionality in a simplistic controller. This is a simplistic controller, therefore has barely any functionality. No ports for the REV i guess....
Post by: trip1eX on September 15, 2005, 06:47:56 PM
hehe. This would be sweet.
I think this is good for Nintendo. They are competing by differentiating their product from their competitors. I mean that's what bores me about say the 360 is that it's the exact same thing but better graphics.
Nintendo is who they are because they take chances. OR at least that's what I'm liking about them lately. They aren't afraid to fail.
btw, imagine a game from PLayboy where the remote is shaped like a cucumber and you have to pleasure various playboy centerfolds from the last couple of decades. The possibilities are endless.
Post by: NotSoStu on September 15, 2005, 06:47:57 PM
Post by: The Omen on September 15, 2005, 06:48:57 PM
Quote
Also, like I said before....there's BARELY ANY functionality in a simplistic controller. This is a simplistic controller, therefore has barely any functionality. No ports for the REV i guess....
Are you serious? This opens up seamless gameplay...you're in the game!
Post by: Pale on September 15, 2005, 06:49:15 PM
Remember how you felt when you played Mario 64 for the first time?
Now think about how you felt when you played Luigi's Mansion or Monkey Ball? Not quite the same right?
Now imagine that same feeling carrying through if Nintendo was release the PS3....
Now think how you'll feel when you play what Nintendo is actually releasing...
I'm excited.
Post by: darknight06 on September 15, 2005, 06:49:35 PM
Post by: trip1eX on September 15, 2005, 06:49:42 PM
Post by: MANTI5 on September 15, 2005, 06:49:58 PM
Not to me, the controller is more important to me than the processor power or graphics. I was simply saying, based on the information so far, I don't want to control games this way. It has just about completely soured me on getting a Rev. I don't want a hundred different attatchments when one complete controller is better.
Post by: vudu on September 15, 2005, 06:52:08 PM
QuotePerhaps I'm way off, but I assume the Home button is used to recalibrate the controller so the sensor knows where the neutral position is. Otherwise if you start playing a game sitting in one position and then you want to move to another, it won't be able to tell where you want to move.
Nintendo was unwilling to comment on what the "Home" button does, but it's likely a place to manage classic games you've downloaded, online games, and hopefully much more.
Post by: trip1eX on September 15, 2005, 06:52:17 PM
Post by: Pale on September 15, 2005, 06:52:59 PM
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Originally posted by: MANTI5
"No, saying you won't buy the Revolution because of an image is idiotic... "
Not to me, the controller is more important to me than the processor power or graphics. I was simply saying, based on the information so far, I don't want to control games this way. It has just about completely soured me on getting a Rev. I don't want a hundred different attatchments when one complete controller is better.
If you think one complete(ly the same) controller is better than something that is different... you are boring. Buy an X-box 360 and stop talking to me. =P
Post by: vudu on September 15, 2005, 06:54:29 PM
QuoteI imagine Nintendo will freely give developers the necessary software that will turn the second analog stick's funtion into the gyro. If they do that, there won't be a lot of retooling needed to be done. It will already be completed. Of course, I'm sure third parties will have to optimize the code for each specific game, but it won't be a big deal.
I notice some people talking about retooling controls for certain games.
NO ONE IS GOING TO RETOOL SH!T. Nintendo isn't the market leader. No one will go to that effort for them. If a game doesn't work as is on this controller it's just not going to be ported.
Post by: Artimus on September 15, 2005, 06:54:55 PM
Read that, THEN formulate an opinion.
I think it sounds amazing. And as far as third parties go, if they choose not to improve their games and innovate, then that's going to be the price. This doesn't seem a gimmick, it seems an improvement. I don't think I'll want to go back to being outside the game if they make this work.
Post by: Pale on September 15, 2005, 06:59:06 PM
http://www3.sympatico.ca/eruminski/rev_nes.jpg
Post by: PaLaDiN on September 15, 2005, 06:59:51 PM
On the positive side, I can easily imagine their next reaction being "how the hell does that work for games?" followed by "let me try!"...
That's the stage I'm at right now, I need to try it myself to get any sort of opinion.
Post by: Pale on September 15, 2005, 07:01:26 PM
)http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/409/snes3pn.jpg
Post by: Pale on September 15, 2005, 07:03:22 PM
Post by: BiLdItUp1 on September 15, 2005, 07:04:07 PM
Post by: mjbd on September 15, 2005, 07:04:23 PM
Post by: BigJim on September 15, 2005, 07:04:25 PM
The question is, will developers accept it or shun it?
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 15, 2005, 07:05:00 PM
Post by: KnowsNothing on September 15, 2005, 07:06:01 PM
Post by: Arbok on September 15, 2005, 07:06:05 PM
Either way I'm excited. I just hope that using the GCN controller as a subsitute isn't ruled out, as I feel the two could work well together. You could always have the GCN controller plugged in too, so it wouldn't be a pain to switch to it and play a game that might have been made for it.
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 15, 2005, 07:06:12 PM
~EA
~THQ
~Activision
~Ubisoft
~Square-Enix
~Konami
~Sega
I wouldn't be too worried...
Post by: Caliban on September 15, 2005, 07:08:05 PM
Quote
Originally posted by: Pale
Hey guys, check this photoshop that came from one of the guys on the PA boards. ^^
http://www3.sympatico.ca/eruminski/rev_nes.jpg
Controller face plates? LOL, bring'em on just for the the nostalgia, coolness or whatever makes you fancy.
Post by: Dirk Temporo on September 15, 2005, 07:11:10 PM
I just realized... This awesome controller, and no Rogue Squadron to play with it.
Post by: BigJim on September 15, 2005, 07:12:20 PM
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Originally posted by: KnowsNothing
It doesn't force anything.
I meant "force" in a positive way. If a developer thinks about doing nothing more than porting a game to Revolution, they are foolish. They will either adapt to have a unique game in some way, or not port it at all. Hence the question. Do they accept or shun?
Making nice with Nintendo for PR sake is different than real-world action. The games are going to have to sell this controller, for sure. The big name titles, and new titles, need to arrive will bells on. They need to prove that this isn't the ultimate gimmick, and that it makes total and complete sense for gaming going forward.
I'm OPEN to the possibilities.
Post by: slacker on September 15, 2005, 07:18:19 PM
Post by: The Omen on September 15, 2005, 07:21:15 PM
Controller=BAD ASS
Post by: Nile Boogie on September 15, 2005, 07:21:19 PM
Post by: ThePerm on September 15, 2005, 07:21:42 PM
..maybe that team can make i t fun...
Post by: vudu on September 15, 2005, 07:23:26 PM
Post by: Galford on September 15, 2005, 07:23:31 PM
Why is Nintendo going to force me to buy an add-on for 6-button fighters when I haven't had too since 1992???
Still, I can see how this could be the ultimate 3d controller if the software is designed properly.
I want to see things in action, then I will make my final decision.
Post by: Arbok on September 15, 2005, 07:25:16 PM
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Originally posted by: ThePerm
no ones stopping another team from making rogue squadron
Hey, hey! Just because the third was lacking (fourth if you count the Naboo game... *shudder*) doesn't mean one should discount how cool the second entry was.
Post by: soracloudtidus on September 15, 2005, 07:27:32 PM
Post by: Artimus on September 15, 2005, 07:27:45 PM
Post by: BigJim on September 15, 2005, 07:29:07 PM
There's also no doubt that Revolution really will have very unique content. There's no way it can't.
I THINK my main concern is how the controller will retrofit current style games. Yes, many genres will evolve because of these changes. But I'm concerned about controls being "fixed" when they weren't broken. I love the classic control of Mario and Zelda. Do I *want* to swing a sword, or bop Mario up and down to make him jump?
These are questions without answers.... but they are natural questions that such changes bring up. I do have faith.
Post by: The Omen on September 15, 2005, 07:30:37 PM
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Every controller since the SNES has had at least 6 actions buttons(a,b,x,y,l,r,ect).
Why is Nintendo going to force me to buy an add-on for 6-button fighters when I haven't had too since 1992???
You have never been able to move your controller left, right, up down and all kinds of directions and direct the action on screen either. You have never been Link, swinging the master sword. Until now.
Post by: Artimus on September 15, 2005, 07:31:24 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 15, 2005, 07:33:11 PM
Post by: The Omen on September 15, 2005, 07:34:36 PM
EDIT: I really wish Nintendo would allow me to market this. I have so many ideas that will sell this thing...
Post by: Mop it up on September 15, 2005, 07:35:11 PM
Post by: Dirk Temporo on September 15, 2005, 07:36:03 PM
Quote
Originally posted by: soracloudtidus
At first I thought what a piece of... but then I started reading more carefuly and saw some posibilities.
THIS IS THE PROBLEM!
Casual gamers and non-gamers DON'T read into things. They're all going to stay with what your first impression was.
Post by: couchmonkey on September 15, 2005, 07:36:33 PM
It's going to take a lot of work to get this to play a wide variety of N64 games well. Backwards compatibility with SNES and NES should be good, though. Third parties will be forced to give us more interesting games, but that might mean they simply don't give us that many games, or the games they give us are poorly tuned to the Rev controller.
Revolution's success will depend a lot on how well Nintendo shows off the new features in the launch lineup, I hope Nintendo has a good selection of games to show the system off. I'm really excited about what Nintendo can do with this, and I'm looking forward to playing the new games.
Post by: MANTI5 on September 15, 2005, 07:37:41 PM
Post by: The Omen on September 15, 2005, 07:37:43 PM
Quote
THIS IS THE PROBLEM!
Casual gamers and non-gamers DON'T read into things. They're all going to stay with what your first impression was.
So you have to show them how to use it, in cool ass THX 1138 type ads (or Minority report!), or have demo units to allow people to actually experiment with it. Showing is selling.
Post by: Ian Sane on September 15, 2005, 07:40:24 PM
That's the big question. Personally I don't. Zelda isn't about sword swinging. It's about an adventure. I'm afraid we're going to get too many unnecessary aerobic controls when a simple button push will suffice.
I'm thinking Japanese publishers will love this and American ones will hate it. EA isn't excited about it. They just see it as another platform to port to. They don't care how the port plays, they just want to get the product out there. American third parties will design games for the PS3 and then do the bare minimum to port it to the Rev. They are not going to make a special Madden just for the Rev. They will make an inferior broken Madden because they don't feel like putting in the effort.
Japanese third parties are more creative and tend to release exclusives on different platforms instead of multiplatform releases so they'll be more interested. Ports are going to SUCK unless they add more buttons. The Rev is going to live or die on exclusives.
Edit:
"As has been said earlier, this is like a repeat of the DS announcement...Gamers were like "WTF" and devs were all "WOW THIS ROCKS" and we know how the DS ended up..."
The DS didn't break traditional gaming though. Every Gameboy game ever made is playable on it's control layout. Cube games won't even play on this. The DS adds to what was already there. This removes TONS of stuff. I can safely say that EVERY Cube game I own is unplayable on this controller without a major retooling. Even Ikaruga has three buttons and thus wouldn't work without an attachment.
If they just put six buttons on this thing it wouldn't be so bad. With two buttons this thing is out-of-date. This could be an improvement but it's not because it removes a bunch of stuff. So this is just different . Not better, DIFFERENT. Therefore it has no advantage over the competition. The choice for a developer is Nintendo or Sony and MS. It should be Nintendo OVER Sony and MS. I'll bet they put more buttons by E3.
Post by: Don'tHate742 on September 15, 2005, 07:42:34 PM
If you read IGN's article about what the Developers say about the controller, you'll notice a very important detial.
You can use two "remotes" at the same time. You know all those crazy ideas of mine....you know playing a "real" boxing game, or an archery game....ya, it's possible, just like I said A YEAR AGO!
I hate it when I'm right
I'm not sure if FPS's will be as crazy cool as I envisioned due to the lack of a second gyration part of the controller, but then again....couldn't they just make an attachment?
If they were to make an all-in-one attachment, then it should definitely have an analog stick, at least 4 face buttons, 2 triggers, and of course gyration. This all in one attachment would be very similar to the mock-up I drew a long ass time ago.
I think it's a waste of an attachment if all it had was an analog stick and 2 triggers. If anything were to be added, 4 face buttons would be perfect.
Other than that and say adding a rechargeable battery, this controller is absolutely astonishing. They should definitely redesign the controller though, and make it look like you know.....a controller.
Post by: The Omen on September 15, 2005, 07:42:36 PM
Quote
They will make an inferior broken Madden because they don't feel like putting in the effort.
EA has already stated their sports games would be the first to take advantage of the unique controls.
As for swinging the sword, as I previously stated, I think there will be a sensitivity meter to adjust just how far you have to swing to get the onscreen link to swing his sword. Anywhere from an inch to the full swing.
Post by: BranDonk Kong on September 15, 2005, 07:42:37 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 15, 2005, 07:43:26 PM
Quote
Originally posted by: Ian Sane
I'm thinking Japanese publishers will love this and American ones will hate it. EA isn't excited about it.
"Game control is essential – it's the area where perhaps the most game-play improvement can be made," said John Schappert, Sr. Vice President and General Manager of Electronic Arts Canada. "While our portfolio represents a full array of titles across all genres, I think our sports titles might be the first to immediately take advantage of what this novel 'freehand' type of control has to offer."
Mmmm, crow...Oh, and Ubisoft, Activision, and THQ had great things to say, too...
Post by: Mario on September 15, 2005, 07:44:10 PM
Quote
"# Footage shows them using the device in various ways. Playing instruments. Cutting sushi. Making Mario jump by tilting the controller up. Slashing a sword. Using the remote as a light gun. Performing surgery. It showed an older couple conducting a concert with two remotes. Four girls catching bugs with remotes. Even showed a single person playing with two remotes.
# Audience loved it."
I really can't wait to see videos of this thing in action!
Post by: mantidor on September 15, 2005, 07:44:13 PM
Quote
Originally posted by: vudu
So ... are the folks at Microsoft crapping their pants right now or are they laughing their ass off?
Im sure they are feeling pretty much what we are feeling, a simple "WTF!?"
Post by: BranDonk Kong on September 15, 2005, 07:44:47 PM
Post by: The Omen on September 15, 2005, 07:45:45 PM
Quote
Quote
Originally posted by: Ian Sane
I'm thinking Japanese publishers will love this and American ones will hate it. EA isn't excited about it.
"Game control is essential – it's the area where perhaps the most game-play improvement can be made," said John Schappert, Sr. Vice President and General Manager of Electronic Arts Canada. "While our portfolio represents a full array of titles across all genres, I think our sports titles might be the first to immediately take advantage of what this novel 'freehand' type of control has to offer."
Mmmm, crow...Oh, and Ubisoft, Activision, and THQ had great things to say, too...
I can't understand why people can't see sports games with this controller. They'll be so immersive...just really, the possibilities are so far out there right now, I have trouble trying to form an adequate explanation...
Post by: Nile Boogie on September 15, 2005, 07:51:00 PM
Star Fox Revolution: ( All Flight Sim)
Super Monkey Ball: ( All Puzzle Games)
Final Fantasy CC: ( Most turn Based RPGS)
F-Zero RX : (Most Driving Games)
Metroid Prime 3 ( Most FPS)
Pikmin
POKE'MON
Bowling
Tennis
Golf
Fishing
Games That Seem Not-so perfect
Zelda (Action Based games)
Mario (platformers)
Grand Therft Clones
FootBall
BasketBall
Thats all I can think of for now.
Post by: Ian Sane on September 15, 2005, 07:51:29 PM
EA said big things about connectivity too and they didn't do SH!T with that.
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 15, 2005, 07:52:04 PM
And um, Ian, the point is that EA (and other western devs) is going to support the console, as much as you seem to think they won't...
Post by: MANTI5 on September 15, 2005, 07:55:12 PM
Like I said, I've already owned a Power Glove and this just isn't convincing me. Now we'll see just how good Nintendo's PR and marketing is.
Post by: Ian Sane on September 15, 2005, 07:56:28 PM
I never said they wouldn't. I just said they're not going to give us squat just like they didn't give the Cube squat because they aren't willing to put in the effort to make full use of a console that isn't the market leader.
Post by: trip1eX on September 15, 2005, 07:57:48 PM
Quote
Originally posted by: Ian Sane
Ports are going to SUCK unless they add more buttons. The Rev is going to live or die on exclusives.
The DS didn't break traditional gaming though. Every Gameboy game ever made is playable on it's control layout. Cube games won't even play on this. The DS adds to what was already there. This removes TONS of stuff. I can safely say that EVERY Cube game I own is unplayable on this controller without a major retooling. Even Ikaruga has three buttons and thus wouldn't work without an attachment.
If they just put six buttons on this thing it wouldn't be so bad. With two buttons this thing is out-of-date. This could be an improvement but it's not because it removes a bunch of stuff. So this is just different . Not better, DIFFERENT. Therefore it has no advantage over the competition. The choice for a developer is Nintendo or Sony and MS. It should be Nintendo OVER Sony and MS. I'll bet they put more buttons by E3.
wtf you talking about? With one hand you have can move up, down, left, right , forward, back, roll either direction, rotate the controller either direction, plus your index finger is on the trigger button and your thumb is on the dpad. And this is just with one frickin hand. Let's not forget you also have the big 'A' button and in the MP2 demo they even used 'select' to let you roll into a ball. (gamespy said this was suprising comfortable to do.) Not to mention Nintendo said the button size and shape and locations might change a bit.
This is an assload of functions for one hand. Buttons can be mapped to tilt technology. And hell the big 'A' button could be a shift key to turn, say tilting to the left , into a completely different function.
And we haven't even touched on the control on the 2nd hand yet.
Post by: Stimutacs Addict on September 15, 2005, 07:58:22 PM
hell yeah dontHate; double fistin' in fps' with two remotes.... basically one of them would have to control movement, though... oh shoot maybe you need the analog attachment for that.
Nintendo is pulling a microsoft in that they are screwing with their market with this analog attachment! if those things arent dirt cheap -- less than $15 each -- we're getting screwed... but i guess they want to go wireless with the attachment, too, which will jack that price up
overall, im pretty excited. pretty damn excited, in fact. If the revolution doesnt have the best FPS of next gen then developers are a bunch of donkeys!
Post by: Don'tHate742 on September 15, 2005, 08:00:43 PM
.P.S. Video is just like I imagined Nintendo Rev gaming would be.
EDIT: Ya double fistin remotes for FPS's just wouldn't work. However, boxing would work deliciously. So would Tennis, and basically any sports game that requires your arms (not hands).
The thing that gets me excited is the fact that you can control in 3-D. Before the only thing that was 3-D were the graphics. It was impossible to control something forwards, backwards, sideways, AND up and down. Now I can select air troops in a RTS with out selecting near by ground units simply by moving my hand upwards (and therefore moving the cursur off the ground and into the air).
There are just way too many possibilities for this thing (especially with two remotes). The only thing I'm concerned with is if games in established genres will become better or not be playable at all . In other words, how will these button-heavy games possibly be better or even play on a system with so few buttons?
And one more thing....screw paying for attachments. The REV should be able to play every game (besides the peripheral-needed ones) from the NES to the GC out of the box. If that means packing in the analog attachment and maybe the SNES/N64 style attachment, then so be it. I shouldn't have to bend over backwards to play a game that all I should have needed to do is buy in the first place. If they want to release some crazy attachments (ala konga) then so be it, just as long as I can play all conventional games as soon as I get my REVO.
Also they should definitely stick with that name.
Post by: MANTI5 on September 15, 2005, 08:02:16 PM
Post by: slacker on September 15, 2005, 08:03:18 PM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
"the point is that EA (and other western devs) is going to support the console"
I never said they wouldn't. I just said they're not going to give us squat just like they didn't give the Cube squat because they aren't willing to put in the effort to make full use of a console that isn't the market leader.
That will be their loss. Their lack of innovation paves the way for an upstart or some other studio to replace them. If you have 2 football games and 1 play like the traditional one and the other play differently, yet intuitively and immersively, then most sports gamers will probably move to the newer ones to try it. Some will like it, others will not, and I am willing to bet that most will love it and not go back to the traditional ways. Sports gamers will go for newer playing experience when they can. Its just that EA has cornered this market so well, they don't know any better way to play it.
Post by: BigJim on September 15, 2005, 08:07:14 PM
I think they should either commit to the D-pad or the analog stick. Don't try to do both by way of an accessory. If they make accessories that are typical right-handed action-based designs (multiple button configs, etc.) then that'd be an easier pill to swallow.
Still, I wonder who is in control of those accessories. If Capcom wants to make a fighter and they need 6 buttons, will Nintendo just say no? Do they bundle them with the games and force the developers to front more licensing costs? Oye.
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 15, 2005, 08:09:49 PM
The analog has 2 extra triggers, and the d-pad can be used as extra buttons...
Post by: The Omen on September 15, 2005, 08:11:16 PM
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I never said they wouldn't. I just said they're not going to give us squat just like they didn't give the Cube squat because they aren't willing to put in the effort to make full use of a console that isn't the market leader.
Actually, EA has supported the GC more than almost any other third party, and in many cases, for no reason. Thye knew all along NCAA and Madden wouldn't sell compared to the other systmes, but released them anyway. Until this year, they released virtually all of their big games on the GC. I don't know where you get they didn't give the GC squat...that's a ridiculous claim.
And they will fiddle with this new control scheme, trust me. ;0
Post by: Arbok on September 15, 2005, 08:12:02 PM
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Still, I wonder who is in control of those accessories. If Capcom wants to make a fighter and they need 6 buttons, will Nintendo just say no? Do they bundle them with the games and force the developers to front more licensing costs? Oye.
Couldn't we fall back on a GCN controller? You won't even have to disconnect the GCN controller every time you wanted to play, or anything, as they run off different ports and can be plugged in at all times. Have this new controller be the main one, and a GCN one to fall back on for traditional games (maybe pack one in with the system, or something). Works for me.
Post by: zakkiel on September 15, 2005, 08:12:08 PM
I'm completely reserving judgment on non-gamer reactions until I see how games will use this.
I now definitely understand what that Zelda comment was all about. Personally, I'm thrilled to actually be able to "swing a sword,"
as you put it. That kind of organic fighting control is something I've always wanted to try. I have to wonder how the hell SSB will work with it, though.
I've actually had an MMORPG idea floating through my head for a long time. It involved much faster, more organic fighting (mandatory broadband, of course) and B&W-style spellcasting by symbol recognition. The thought was to make MMORPG combat intrinsically fun and challenging for players because, let's face it, it isn't too exciting right now. I thought such a thing would only be realizeable on a PC. Now I find myself hoping against hope that something like this appears for the Revolution.
I will say this: anyone says Nintendo needs to take more risks after this, I will hunt you down and punch you in the throat. Seriously. They're jumping off a cliff and, as much faith as they may have in their creation, they can't really know if the chute will open. As I think about it, though, I'm warming more and more to the idea, and not just because I have a soft spot for sheer insanity. And Ian: I think porting will not be as irrelevant as you think. The interface will take a lot of work, obviously, but I think it's much more port-friendly than, say, the DS. If nothing else, you can use the various kinds of motions you can make with the wand as buttons.
But you're right: it's gonna be all about the exclusives. This, more than any mere speech, declares that Nintendo intends to be the top home console company or close to it by the end of the next generation. They don't have a choice.
Post by: Dirk Temporo on September 15, 2005, 08:13:05 PM
Post by: Shecky on September 15, 2005, 08:13:37 PM
Questions ....
1) Multiplayer split screen? Will this still work well then?
2) What is the likely hood of friend #1 slugging friend #2 when playing in close proximity
(especially in a scenario where your supposed to be moving your arms)
I don't think the Zelda example of swinging a sword is a good example. Reason is the shear number of times that action is required *for that game*. Even with minor movements it would be tiring. Not that the idea of swinging a sword with the controller is bad, I could see it in a Myst type game for example, grab a sword swing it a few times, etc.
Actually it would be good if you could just assign a weapon or two to the motion control... for a game like zelda. So maybe it could be your sword when you feel like engaging in some sword play, or maybe you decide to assign it as your bow and the game senses when you make a "bow draw" type motion. I find that much more functional - picture a boss battle that requires slashing and the occasional arrow (oh like I don't know ... ganon
). Being able to quick draw a few weapons.... that would be cool and functional use. Also, in a FPS as you aim and shoot with the controller, you can make a quick "throwing a hand grenade" motion to chuck a grenade without ever have to actually switch to one.
Post by: soracloudtidus on September 15, 2005, 08:17:16 PM
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At first I thought what a piece of... but then I started reading more carefuly and saw some posibilities.
THIS IS THE PROBLEM!
Casual gamers and non-gamers DON'T read into things. They're all going to stay with what your first impression was.
I just want to make clear that I'm not a casual gamer...I repeat I'm not a casual gamer...thank you for your time.Well I think the comment wasnt at me, my friends where with me while I was reading it over at another gaming site..I was mad at first but then I started reading more into it and saw the possibilities while my friends where all goin WHINE WHINE WHINE. Alas I was the only one that saw this as a good thing instead of a bad thing. This is the problem, the first impression you make is the one that'll take the console thru all it's lifetime.Think of the GC and N64, if you dont make a good impression, then your done. And I can't say if this is the right impressionor not. People are so use to the way game are played, and taking this risk can make you or break you, but still it takes guts to do this kind of thing and for this I will be one of the firsts on the line for the revolution to come home.
Post by: BigJim on September 15, 2005, 08:18:13 PM
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"What's the point of having an analog stick on the left hand when the D-pad is already there on the base controller, and looks like it would be much more comfortable?"
The analog has 2 extra triggers, and the d-pad can be used as extra buttons...
A d-pad is a pretty weak substitute for 4 independent buttons.
Post by: The Omen on September 15, 2005, 08:21:34 PM
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I just want to make clear that I'm not a casual gamer...I repeat I'm not a casual gamer...thank you for your time.Well I think the comment wasnt at me, my friends where with me while I was reading it over at another gaming site..I was mad at first but then I started reading more into it and saw the possibilities while my friends where all goin WHINE WHINE WHINE. Alas I was the only one that saw this as a good thing instead of a bad thing. This is the problem, the first impression you make is the one that'll take the console thru all it's lifetime.Think of the GC and N64, if you dont make a good impression, then your done. And I can't say if this is the right impressionor not. People are so use to the way game are played, and taking this risk can make you or break you, but still it takes guts to do this kind of thing and for this I will be one of the firsts on the line for the revolution to come home.
Did you watch the video at IGN? That may alleviate some of your tension. If that is how Nintendo plan on advertising the REV, this thing will sell very very well.
Post by: Stimutacs Addict on September 15, 2005, 08:24:49 PM
Post by: mantidor on September 15, 2005, 08:25:15 PM
Post by: MANTI5 on September 15, 2005, 08:26:31 PM
Look similar? And we all know that was the greatest thing ever...
Post by: Mario on September 15, 2005, 08:28:38 PM
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A d-pad is a pretty weak substitute for 4 independent buttons.
What's the difference?
Post by: Ian Sane on September 15, 2005, 08:28:59 PM
Unfortunately most gamers will go with the one with the NFL licence and Madden's the only that has that. Still aside from that stuff like this doesn't matter to a lot of people. Tekken is more popular than Virtua Fighter yet most hardcore fighting fans would say Virtua Fighter is better. EA Sports games always outsell other sports games regardless of quality. The cooler game is what matters. Now the cooler game might be the Rev game but different controls aren't going to make a big difference on their own.
"Couldn't we fall back on a GCN controller? You won't even have to disconnect the GCN controller every time you wanted to play, or anything, as they run off different ports and can be plugged in at all times. Have this new controller be the main one, and a GCN one to fall back on for traditional games (maybe pack one in with the system, or something). Works for me."
It has the same problem that add-ons for the remote have: they're more stuff to buy. Now us Cube owners already have the controllers but a newcomber doesn't. With the PS3 you buy one controller for each person and it works with 99% of the games with a few oddballs like DDR as exceptions. With the Rev you have to buy a whole sh!tload more controllers and accessories for the same amount of functionality. That's insane. No casual gamer would go for that. If Nintendo's plan is for us to buy 10 different add-ons to play our games and buy Cube controllers then they have no cost advantage. It doesn't matter what the Rev costs if the controller costs are so high. You might as well buy the more expensive PS3. At least then you know you just have to buy ONE controller and it works with almost everything.
Post by: Hostile Creation on September 15, 2005, 08:29:18 PM
Edit: Oh by the way, haven't said anything, but I think this has the potential to rock the freakin' world. Viva la revolution, for sure.
MANTI5 seems to forget that the powerglove is what? A decade and a half old, and a much bigger gap.
Post by: Ian Sane on September 15, 2005, 08:30:02 PM
With four buttons you can push multiple buttons at once. You can't do that with a d-pad. It's the same problem as using the c-stick for the N64 c-buttons.
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 15, 2005, 08:30:32 PM
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http://www.x-entertainment.com/articles/0909/commercial-powerglove.wmv
Look similar? And we all know that was the greatest thing ever...
I love how technology hasn't expanded since the 80's, right? RIGHT? Oh wait, that's not right at all...
Post by: The Omen on September 15, 2005, 08:32:01 PM
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http://www.x-entertainment.com/articles/0909/commercial-powerglove.wmv
Look similar? And we all know that was the greatest thing ever...
Oh sh!t, you're right! I change my mind. This is garbage! Thank you!
Post by: MANTI5 on September 15, 2005, 08:34:31 PM
And no, you don't remember me because I've only rarely posted over the years.
Post by: Hostile Creation on September 15, 2005, 08:35:41 PM
Plus you really were a spoil-sport, and that tends to stick in the memory, too.
Post by: BigJim on September 15, 2005, 08:37:38 PM
The idea of swinging a sword sounds cool, but weren't we fine pressing a button? It was fast and simple. Doesn't sword swinging, even if it's just a nudge of the wrist, exert more energy than necessary to accomplish that act, especially since it's so highly repetitive? I really don't think I want to wiggle my hand through a whole game of Zelda, while hanging onto some completely separate control stick accessory with my other hand...
I PRAY that Nintendo has thought this through, VERY deeply, and that their video examples are strictly theoretical. I HOPE they don't force new control movements just because they're possible. They may think they're immersing us, but if people have to stop playing Zelda after 15 minutes to give their hands a break, that would be a serious problem.
And these are just natural concerns to have at this point, IMO.
Post by: MANTI5 on September 15, 2005, 08:39:01 PM
And back on topic, I don't hate nintendo, the only non nintendo console I've owned(since atari) is the original playstation and that was only to play street fighter alpha 3.
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 15, 2005, 08:39:18 PM
Post by: Artimus on September 15, 2005, 08:40:58 PM
"GOOD FEATURES, MAKE IT LIKE TEH REGULARZ CONTROLERLSZDHSDKF!"
I love how closed minded everyone is, how determined current gaming is the best.
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 15, 2005, 08:42:32 PM
Post by: mantidor on September 15, 2005, 08:42:37 PM
Post by: Mario on September 15, 2005, 08:43:03 PM
Post by: The Omen on September 15, 2005, 08:45:47 PM
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I PRAY that Nintendo has thought this through, VERY deeply, and that their examples are strictly theoretical. I HOPE they don't force new control movements just because they're possible. If people have to stop playing Zelda after 15 minutes to give their hands a break, that would be a serious problem... yet another thing fixed that wasn't broken.
When do you ever have to fight for more than 2 minutes in any Zelda game? And besides, we don't know all the dynamics yet, so why speculate on things as inane as being tired from swinging the controller?
Me? I can't wait to fight with the master sword...or blast away in time splitters 4...or jab Bald Bull in Punch Out...
As for it being optional...I don't think they should make this optional because then it becomes a gimmick...I want them to stand behind this.
Post by: Shecky on September 15, 2005, 08:47:17 PM
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Originally posted by: BigJim
The idea of swinging a sword sounds cool, but weren't we fine pressing a button? It was fast and simple. Doesn't sword swinging, even if it's just a nudge of the wrist, exert more energy than necessary to accomplish that act, especially since it's so highly repetitive? I really don't think I want to wiggle my hand through a whole game of Zelda, while hanging onto some completely separate control stick accessory with my other hand...
I PRAY that Nintendo has thought this through, VERY deeply, and that their video examples are strictly theoretical. I HOPE they don't force new control movements just because they're possible. They may think they're immersing us, but if people have to stop playing Zelda after 15 minutes to give their hands a break, that would be a serious problem.
I agree, I think posts get lost when things are this hectic, see my post on page 24 for a few ideas of how it could still be used, IMO, in a "practical" manner.
Post by: trip1eX on September 15, 2005, 08:47:42 PM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 15, 2005, 08:50:24 PM
I've seen the pictures, and even the video
I've read most of all the post in this thread
and all I have to say is...
If touching is good, but feeling is better...
then things must be great, 'cause I am feeling this and can't wait to touch it!!
viva la Revolution
Post by: Ian Sane on September 15, 2005, 08:51:26 PM
I'm not saying "GIMMICK" yet because this idea has a little more solid reasoning to justify it's existence. There was no reason to release the DS. The GBA still had a few years left ahead of it. Plus Nintendo initially had no good ideas for the DS beyond a few glorified mini-games. It's a gimmick if there's no real idea behind it and the plan is to sell on novelty. Connectivity had the same problem. Neato concept with no really good idea behind it. This looks more like Nintendo has a plan. They had to release a new console and they have some wacky theory to support all this.
We'll have to wait until we see some serious games. If all we get is Mario where you move the controller to do what a jump button can do then it's a gimmick. If they have something real then it's not.
Though I do think Nintendo's whole "gaming is too complex" routine is purely a manufactured problem.
Post by: Shecky on September 15, 2005, 08:52:24 PM
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What's with the swinging a controller will be tiring stuff? Come on now gamers aren't that wussy are they? If anything one should welcome the extra exercise!
DDR is exercise, flicking a wrist a couple hundred times is just asking for pain. (and truthfully would get boring if you had to do it that many times)
I urge all of you to go practice with your TV remote... heck have a friend playing WW and flick the remote everytime he swings
Remember it's got to be free floating, no resting it comfortably in your lap.
Post by: cubist on September 15, 2005, 08:53:02 PM
True, there were GCN controller ports for the Revolution at E3; however, do we know if these controller ports will work with new Revolution software if a player doesn't like the Rev game. I'm not even sure if most developers will give us that option. The only plus side to using a GC controller for Rev games are third party ports. If a developer doesn't want to conform to the new controller, will Nintendo allow the use of a GC controller for ports and allow people to scream "gimmick".
The point it -- It is still too early for any of us to start screaming bloody murder. A little more optimism would be good. Just don't get yourself all worked up about it and hyped...only to be disappointed in the end.
Post by: blackfootsteps on September 15, 2005, 08:55:03 PM
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My favorite part of all this is people are so concerned with the look.
"GOOD FEATURES, MAKE IT LIKE TEH REGULARZ CONTROLERLSZDHSDKF!"
I love how closed minded everyone is, how determined current gaming is the best.
Just tell them to wait until Monday when Sony announces their new PS3 boomerang complete with pointing device.
Post by: zakkiel on September 15, 2005, 08:56:36 PM
As for fatigue: believe me, not an issue. Yes, you may perchance burn the odd extra calorie, and we mourn your loss. But most people's wrists can handle hours of writing (it's the fingers that give out) to give one example, and people can play badminton indefinitely even if they haven't played in a year (it's the cardiovascular that gets you.) Did anyone suggest that DK: Jungle Beat would cause fatigue? A lot of the same basic motions. As long as you aren't holding your arm still and unsupported for extended periods, you'll be fine, my dear couch potatoes.
And try playing Zelda and timing how long you actually have to spend continuously swinging a sword. Except for a few special spots, it's not too damn long. Boss battles have you manuevering much more than using your sword, and for the rest your foes are quickly dispatched. So yes, I strongly suspect we will see fighting that involves you swinging, though I doubt it will be the massive gestures shown in the video.
Post by: BigJim on September 15, 2005, 08:57:23 PM
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BigJim, you are basing those claims on the video, which is just supposed to show someone really exited, I doubt will have to jump in chairs and wave our arms all across the room while playing.
I said "even if it's just a nudge of the wrist." I never thought chair jumping was a necessity. I'm not that daft.
And I'm not making claims, I am asking normal questions and voicing natural concerns that are bound to come up with this kind of change. Nobody can say all of their questions have been answered. They're bound to have new ones.
Post by: trip1eX on September 15, 2005, 08:58:19 PM
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What's with the swinging a controller will be tiring stuff? Come on now gamers aren't that wussy are they? If anything one should welcome the extra exercise!
DDR is exercise, flicking a wrist a couple hundred times is just asking for pain. (and truthfully would get boring if you had to do it that many times)
I urge all of you to go practice with your TV remote... heck have a friend playing WW and flick the remote everytime he swings
Last time I checked pressing down the analog stick, d-pad and hitting buttons for hours at a time isn't pain free either man. Not to mention the mouse on my pc or this keyboard.
Post by: MANTI5 on September 15, 2005, 09:00:25 PM
No problem.
I can see the competitors answer to this now: "One of our competitors wants you to flail about, swing, poke, and pull to get the same result you get from us by pressing this button."
Post by: King of Twitch on September 15, 2005, 09:00:43 PM
Post by: Mario on September 15, 2005, 09:01:00 PM
Post by: The Omen on September 15, 2005, 09:02:39 PM
Thank you nintendo for listening.
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 15, 2005, 09:02:52 PM
Talk about overexaggeration...But yeah, I'd rather perform an action myself than press a button...Why the hell do you play games if you don't want to interact more with them?
Post by: Caliban on September 15, 2005, 09:03:08 PM
Post by: Mario on September 15, 2005, 09:04:32 PM
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"One of our competitors wants you to flail about, swing, poke, and pull to get the same result you get from us by pressing this button."
Talk about overexaggeration...But yeah, I'd rather perform an action myself than press a button...Why the hell do you play games if you don't want to interact more with them?
That's a retarded point anyway, because on Revolution you can do BOTH.
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 15, 2005, 09:05:00 PM
Post by: Ian Sane on September 15, 2005, 09:05:26 PM
This brings up another possible problem. Nintendo was all worried that Sony would steal their idea. Well I can say for sure Sony will not steal the remote idea. However the motion control is the REAL idea. That's what people are going to steal. And if Sony steals the motion control then their controller is better and Nintendo has no advantage at all. I think the boomerang design is stupid but at least it has more buttons than an NES controller and I don't have to buy any attachments to play what today are considered standard games.
I think Nintendo should probably just drop the whole remote idea and put the motion stuff into something resembling the Cube controller. That's a much safer design. This design is a combination of great ideas and very questionable ideas. Sony can just steal the good ideas and make a controller that's much less intimidating. Then Nintendo's just left with a wacky remote that opinion is mixed about.
If Nintendo showed something similar to the Cube controller with motion control in it no one here would complain or be worried. We would all think it was great. It's a much safer design. The worst complaint would be that some people expected something weirder or there would be a few nitpicky stuff. But no one would be questioning if this game would work or how much this attachment would cost. We would just be talking about how cool this new motion stuff is and what the possibilities are.
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 15, 2005, 09:08:50 PM
No, I'd personally be very disappointed...Plus, if you watch the trailer, there are things you just COULD NOT DO with a two-handed controller...
Post by: MANTI5 on September 15, 2005, 09:09:27 PM
What I'm saying is, this WILL work for some games and very well too, but I don't want to play every game this way. It would be nice if it were optional, but yes that would make this a gimmick. But so would allowing GC controller compatability with any new games.
Post by: trip1eX on September 15, 2005, 09:10:40 PM
http://cube.ign.com/articles/651/651334p1.html
Post by: Caliban on September 15, 2005, 09:11:19 PM
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The guy after Grandpa was doing some type of dentistry game it seems...
Me and my pervert mind LOL! Oh and so it seems I heard more closely the drilling sound.
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 15, 2005, 09:11:42 PM
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I still occasionally play the original Donkey Kong, I wouldn't go bulid a replica of the levels and have someone roll barrels for me to jump over.
Do you live in a videogame? Because my example was based on videogames, not real life...
Post by: ThePerm on September 15, 2005, 09:12:18 PM
Post by: MANTI5 on September 15, 2005, 09:13:35 PM
That's what I was responding to with the DK comment, just overexagerating to make a point.
Post by: mantidor on September 15, 2005, 09:14:50 PM
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That video is fabulous, lol I loved the fly-squat pseudo-game, the chefs were hilarious, oh I think I might finally get a baseball game if they do it with such level of interaction, what was that guy, that appeared after the fishing-grandpa, doing?, flicking the controller so that mario jumps lol. Simply ingenious! Boy did Nintendo ever deliver such a big-bang message. I was still hoping for a more definite release date other than just 2006.
whats more funny is that we havent seen one single screenshot yet we are curious about trying this thing.
Post by: Artimus on September 15, 2005, 09:19:13 PM
I can move my mouse all the way to the top of my browser and click "Back" and I go back. It works. I have full access to all the buttons and you can have right clicks and that little arrow next to the big arrow and all those fun things.
Or I can just hold one button and move left. In half the time. I focus entirely on the website, never looking up, even for a split second. I just move my hand and voila!
Bit different perhaps, but I think you guys need to let go of 'BUTTONS RULE!!!"
Fighting games will be amazing. A jumps, b clocks. The dpad moves left and right or up ladders. How do you attack? Flick your wrist. IGN has a great example of this. COmbo could be two quick flicks. Super-combo one forward two back. Etc. Exactly the same idea as buttons, except there are even more possibilities, and it's quicker.
Open your minds. The button is not the be-all and end-all!
Post by: Hostile Creation on September 15, 2005, 09:21:35 PM
Really, I think what they've designed is far, far more intuitive than something like that.
Post by: BigJim on September 15, 2005, 09:22:04 PM
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I PRAY that Nintendo has thought this through, VERY deeply, and that their examples are strictly theoretical. I HOPE they don't force new control movements just because they're possible. If people have to stop playing Zelda after 15 minutes to give their hands a break, that would be a serious problem... yet another thing fixed that wasn't broken.
When do you ever have to fight for more than 2 minutes in any Zelda game? And besides, we don't know all the dynamics yet, so why speculate on things as inane as being tired from swinging the controller?
Me? I can't wait to fight with the master sword...or blast away in time splitters 4...or jab Bald Bull in Punch Out...
As for it being optional...I don't think they should make this optional because then it becomes a gimmick...I want them to stand behind this.
You kinda answered your own question. I speculate because we don't know the dynamics. It's not even fair to say I am speculating. The points I raise are natural for this kind of change. What I am really doing is asking for more information. I don't assume Nintendo's way is the best way. There have been enough examples on the DS where the touch screen control was more hassle than it was worth. I raise the points because I don't want it to be another one of those situations.
Post by: Mario on September 15, 2005, 09:22:31 PM
Post by: Ian Sane on September 15, 2005, 09:23:38 PM
It wouldn't work quite as well but honestly you wouldn't know the difference because you would have never seen the trailer. But I DO know the difference when it comes to older games. I know that this is not even close to the ideal controller design for MANY of my favourite games.
The trailer is pretty cool but it makes the Rev look like the Duck Hunt machine. Sword swinging, lightgun-style shooting, fly swatting, drumming, etc all look like it would be fun but I don't want a console that focuses on games like that. Those are gimmicky pick-up-and-play games. They're the stuff you play when you want to fool around for 15 minutes. They're the sort of games you play in an arcade. However a serious gamer sometimes wants to sit down and play an epic for several hours a day for a couple of weeks. This controller looks very poorly suited for that type of game (except turn-based games). Those games are what make a console great. Stuff like Zelda (the REAL Zelda, not a sword fighting game) are the really important games to have on a console, not Donkey Konga or DDR or Time Crisis. Those are the games you play between the epics. My suggestion is much more epic-friendly and it would still allow you to play some motion control games, just not quite as well.
If you do the stuff the people in the trailer or doing for an hour straight you're going to be exhausted.
The inability to have games with serious meat to them that could last for weeks is one of the reasons the Virtual Boy was such a flop. The Rev isn't going to amount to much if its games require you to take breaks while playing.
Post by: Artimus on September 15, 2005, 09:26:59 PM
Not to mention there's ZERO reason why it doesn't work for long games. You just don't want it to. The problem isn't that it's bad, it's that you don't want change.
You say it's a gimmick, you say it's just a short time-span. How do you know? Ever played one? Why won't a Zelda work with this? An epic Zelda where you have an affect on the world?
The only reason is because you dont' want to.
JUST BUY AN XBOX360 OR PS3 AND LEAVE. What you want isn't happening, so just give up!
Post by: Truthliesn1seyes on September 15, 2005, 09:29:43 PM
For running. Analog stick to control the player and showlder buttons will be stiff arm left and right. On the other half of the controller, the A button will be sprint, B to dive, D pad (left) juke left, D pad (right) juke right, D pad (up) shoulder charge, and D pad (down) spin. The gyro could be used to control the QB vision if you want to enable that or EA can work that into whatever scheme it wishes. In seeing this setup, anyone who is a Madden gamer can see how the controller can then also be setup for controlling the QB (passing icons can be B,A, D pad left, right, up, and down) sholder buttons can be pump fake and throw ball away, the click on the analog stick can open and close passing icons. You can then slightly elevate the control high (and press the button for your corresponding reciever) and you can throw the ball high over the defender. Lean the control slightly to the right as you pass and it'll place the ball to the side. I'm sure you can see where I'm going with this, the posibilities are endless.
Anyways, if developers aren't lazy and are smart ( if I can figure out this working setup then I'm sure they can too) they can easily make multiplatform games work on Rev.
Post by: Mario on September 15, 2005, 09:29:47 PM
Post by: Dasmos on September 15, 2005, 09:32:48 PM
Post by: mantidor on September 15, 2005, 09:34:46 PM
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Can someone please tell what is happening? How does it work? I have been at work!!!
the ign video pretty much explains it all
Post by: trip1eX on September 15, 2005, 09:35:11 PM
And as has been said you can sit down in your chair and aim the remote from your lap while using the analog stick. YOu don't have to go all crazy like the video tho sht like that would be fun. YOu know some exercise while you play.
LIke was said too imagine combining the remote with a variation of the dancepad where the dancepad could detect you walking or running on it or even jumping!!!!!!
Post by: Dasmos on September 15, 2005, 09:35:41 PM
Post by: IceCold on September 15, 2005, 09:38:53 PM
Right now, I would like nothing more than to have a test run with this. I just NEED to see how it works and how comfortable and functional it is. Upon first glance, it doesn't seem that comfortable to hold at all when you tilt it for NES games. The Gamecube controller was rounded and moulded perfectly for your hands, and you just wanted to keep on holding it. This one doesn't seem to be anything like that, especially when you're playing with it tilted. It looks long and angular, and not inviting to hold tilted. But, of course, I have to hold it to find out. Another concern for me is it being split for the analogue stick and actual controller. It just seems so, ahh, unstable? If they were connected together it would feel more...I don't know...when you're using the analogue stick in this set-up it seems like you'd have to keep your left hand completely steady to keep it stable, and it doesn't seem to comfortable. If there were some way to connect both parts then it would seem a bit more...solid, comfortable, and you wouldn't have to worry yourself with the analogue stick being fixed in place. I don't know - I'm somehow having trouble voicing my thoughts. Again, ALL of these concerns could be debunked when I get my hands on it, but for now I'm unsure.
OK, on to next topic - how it will function. This game could define multiple genres for the console. Think of ADVENTURE games - wow, it will just make them feel countless times better than on any other console. It's just perfect for adventure games. And RPGs. And FPSs. And RTSs, and quite a few other genres. But it seems to me like it will be quite a bit less functional for some genres like action games and fighters. I know that Nintendo has thought about this, and I'm probably jumping to conclusions, but it doesn't seem like it will cater to some major genres as well as traditional controllers.
Of course, as you guys said, the attachment can fix all of this, but to what extent should all these attachments be released? No one would like to pay extra for them just to play a certain game, and then there's the problem of only part of the userbase having it, which limits developers. It could be packed in with the console or the game, which is a good idea. Pack it in with any game that needs it and price them $10 more w/ the attachment, and a lower priced one for anyone who's got it, but you still then have to pay extra to get the attachment. If they go crazy with attachments and pack them in with games then it will be a disaster.
This brings us to functionality. It has, what, 4 functional buttons with the analogue attachment (not including the D-Pad, which I don't feel should be usd as 4 buttons - maybe only 1). I think they should just add 2 more on either side of the big A button. That solitude A button is just too little, and 2 more buttons won't make it feel more intimidating in any way. I know MP2 was retooled and made possible, but I'm willing to wager that it wasn't intuitive at all. And it was probably a major retooling, which 3rd parties won't undertake. Speaking of 3rd parties - I heard all their niceties, but I have a sinking feeling that it won't translate into heavy hitter franchises. We'll get support from Konami - DISNEY soccer... And Crystal Chronicles, etc. Unless Nintendo makes some deals and seriously concentrates on making their life as easy as possible.
And I know that you won't have to flail the controller around extravagantly, but probably even simple wrist movements over time will really take their toll. But I expect Nintendo has tested this to death, so I don't have concerns there. What I don't want is Mario jumping by tilting it up or slashing in Zelda with the controller. That would just be something that is useless compared to the potential it has.
I have many more thoughts, but I've forgot them now and it's very late - I'll post later.
Post by: mantidor on September 15, 2005, 09:41:19 PM
I didnt realized it was already this late!
Post by: Truthliesn1seyes on September 15, 2005, 09:47:47 PM
Just think about it though, this current generation is strongly defined by action and fpsers. To me, it seems like the Rev could be positioned to steal the FPS fanbase hands down and we all know the Xbox lives off its FPSers. The Rev versions of any multiplatform FPSer is going to be head and shoulders above its counterparts just becuase of this controller.
It all comes down to the developers now, if they dont slack off and actually put some effert into the multi titles then I can see the Rev doing some serious damage to the other system's marketshare.
Post by: The Omen on September 15, 2005, 09:49:36 PM
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You kinda answered your own question. I speculate because we don't know the dynamics. It's not even fair to say I am speculating. The points I raise are natural for this kind of change. What I am really doing is asking for more information. I don't assume Nintendo's way is the best way.
I don't assume it's the best way either...if MS released this, I would say the same thing-I can't wait to try it. All I'm saying is, no use in worrying about the negatives until after you actually get a feel for it.
Post by: IceCold on September 15, 2005, 09:59:20 PM
Oh right, and I don't like the idea of re-releasing SNES, 64 and GCN controllers much. That's even more extras, and I don't know; I just don't feel it's necessary.
I think that they'll modify the controller to make it a bit more comfortable and maybe a bit shorter. Then they might add a button or two strategically placed. And finally, they'll add rumble and the rechargeable option.
Post by: mantidor on September 15, 2005, 09:59:26 PM
I just realized something terrible... the control scheme for Metroid Prime shown in the hands on impressions will SUCK for left handed people
now I have to use my not dominant hand to make the movement that requirs the most precision in the game ¬_¬ I cant use my left hand since the analog is meant to be used with the left hand, and if they release a right hand analog it will suck for other games who arent like MP, since it will be basically having to swap the current gen controller, and no, Im NOT going to buy two analogs, one left handed and one right handed...who am I kidding? Ill probably wil buy both
agh, this sucks...
Post by: ThePerm on September 15, 2005, 10:01:45 PM
Post by: BigJim on September 15, 2005, 10:02:22 PM
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You kinda answered your own question. I speculate because we don't know the dynamics. It's not even fair to say I am speculating. The points I raise are natural for this kind of change. What I am really doing is asking for more information. I don't assume Nintendo's way is the best way.
I don't assume it's the best way either...if MS released this, I would say the same thing-I can't wait to try it. All I'm saying is, no use in worrying about the negatives until after you actually get a feel for it.
That's fair enough. I'm ready and willing to give it a shot. I think I come from a similar school as Ian, though (good, bad, or indifferent
). As negative as it may seem, I'm just passionate and want Nintendo to succeed. I don't think any of us want to see any serious blunders in the name of being different. This could turn out to be great for gaming. We'll see.I also thought of something else. The demos should demonstrate that all the projection, hologram, and other crazy BS rumors was just that... This is a standard console, it just has a Tivo-pod for a controller.
Post by: blackfootsteps on September 15, 2005, 10:02:47 PM
You've played Timesplitters right? You probably did ok with your right hand controlling the aiming in that? Look at all the backwards right handed people, it took them a bit longer to come to grips with the analog stick than us lefties back in the 64 era but they learnt eventually.
Post by: MANTI5 on September 15, 2005, 10:03:02 PM
http://ytmnd.com/list/?search=revolution
Post by: ThePerm on September 15, 2005, 10:03:57 PM
Funny how i sort of didnt know it would look like a control..but we all pretty much figured two things gyro+detatch
Post by: ShyGuy on September 15, 2005, 10:05:39 PM
Post by: mantidor on September 15, 2005, 10:11:17 PM
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ever played an fps with a mous? You use your left hand to strafe and move and your right hand to aim...im left handed and im used to it.....though i always had problems with metroid hunters demo. cus the stylus cord isnt long enough to thumb it with your left. I think within the n ext few days i will physically make my own rev controller.
shame on you for not using the mouse as a left handed
I play fps constantly on my PC, but of course, with the mouse on my left hand, as its suppose to, we shouldnt have to "adapt", we should use whats more confortable, and mouse in the left hand for lefties is indeed more confortable!Using the analog stick with the right hand is one thing, you have some physical support, but the rev's controller doesnt, I cannot even use the TV remote with the right hand, the rev controller is meant to be waved in thin air, Im trying it right now and I cant really be precise or accurate, Im terribly clumsy with my right hand (yeah Im very uptight about my left handedness, sorry)
Well, I hope Nintendo will figure it out, Miyamoto is left handed afterall, that has to count for something, right?
Post by: Kairon on September 15, 2005, 10:17:33 PM
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I still haven't figured out how some N64 or cube games could play on this...
Don't think too hard. That's why GC controllers can plug into the Rev.
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: Rancid Planet on September 15, 2005, 10:23:31 PM
I just read every single post in this entire damn thread! I should get a freaking medal or something. Oh and thanks to all of you that posted for around a year and a half before the Iwata speech started. You guys suck. Eat it. Anyway...
I know everyone is just dying to hear what I have to say because I am so freaking great so I won't keep it from you any longer. (I hear people asking "who the hell is THIS guy?" right now)
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The part where I brag on Ninty: Big balls Nintendo. BIG ones. You promised to deliver something totally out of left field and you did just that. So kudos to you Nintendo. You rocked the sock off my c0ck. And that's a BIG sock.
But let me get down to bizniz here. This controller is really something special. Is it different? YES. Will it encourage developers to think outside the box? (XBOX joke intended) YES. Does it have flaws that are obvious as hell? YES. And most importantly, does it further establish Nintendo, our beloved corporate entity, as the ONE console maker out there that really wants to take gaming to a whole new place, not just TALK about doing it? HELLS YES SILENT BOB!
This controller (if you're a REAL Nintendo fan, i.e. you love Nintendo because of their innovation, not just some bogus nostalgia you have for your lame ass childhood) should make you PROUD. Proud to be a gamer, proud to be alive and playing games at a time when gaming has become so mainstream that every knucklehead with the newest copy of Madden thinks of himself as "hardcore"...and to see that very guy look crosseyed at the Rev controller and ask "Howmy gunna play ReVEnGEe of HAlOKILLERZ III: THE BLOODENING on dat THANG???!!"
Seriously, this should please you all. If it doesn't, too bad. No soup for you! This controller freaking CEMENTS the fact that I have been trying to get into opposing fanboys' heads for years. That Nintendo are about more than just MAKING games, they are about TAKING games. Taking them forward, taking them to some place that we never thought they might go. Taking games out of the mainstream and back into the lap of the "true" gamer. The one that could beat ANY Adventure/RPG/Platformer/Fighter/Racer/Sports title with his damn eyes glued SHUT.
Yes friends. This is for US. The real gamers. The ones that have been (perhaps only silently) bitching and complaining that NOBODY challenges us anymore. To HELL with that "There is plenty of life left in the current way of making games" argument. Get off my boat. THIS boat is going somewhere that will scare and frighten you. And I, for one, am ALL for it.
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Problems and Contridictions: There are a few. For one, as Ian Sane and a few other, shall we say, "less elequant and more irratating than Ian Sane" posters have pointed out. This controller is a bit TOO complex is some ways and not nearly advanced enough in others. BUT, we should take some time, breathe a deep relaxing breath, and remember that Nintendo stated that this is NOT the final design and that they ARE actively making new attachments for it.
Now do I WANT to have to buy extra crap just to play a standard game? HELLS NO SILENT BOB! I want what most of you want. Built in abilities to both utilize the unique features of Nintendo's latest concept AND be able to keep it simple and standard when need be.
My suggestion? I think Nintendo should round off the corners of the "remote" add at least a few buttons to the thing and call it a day. Other than that, keep it "as is". As Ian Sane has said already, quite smart there Ian, Nintendo obviously have a battle plan for this thing so I wouldn't want them to screw with the controller so much that they have to reconstruct their concept too much. That would only mess things up for us as we would get a less complete system concept and probably a Rev pushed back to the start of the NEXT next generation.
So bottom line, the controller RAWKS. The naysayers are TEH SUK and Nintendo just totally energized me about games all over again. I didn't think they could do that but they did. I should have known better than to doubt their courage. So in apology I will simply BELIEVE IN THEM enough to think that they will address the few major issues that are apparent with their little controller in due time and that all we be right upon the system's realese.
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I have no ending for this, the best post in this WHOLE DAMN THREAD, so I simply leave you with a hardy...LONG LIVE NINTENDO!
Edit: Can't Spall
Post by: Hostile Creation on September 15, 2005, 10:29:10 PM
I am in awe.
Post by: ShyGuy on September 15, 2005, 10:47:25 PM
Things I noticed: in the Rev video on IGN the lower a & b buttons are called X and Y, seems like they are planning on utilizing these buttons in vertical control as well as the sideways NES thing. This would makes sense for secondary buttons, like reloading, swapping weapons, using a power up, etc.
Also, the two triggers on the analog attachment are Z1 and Z2. add a C, L and R on there someplace and we'll have the Nintendo controller alphabet.
Post by: blackfootsteps on September 15, 2005, 10:56:53 PM
Post by: heinous_anus on September 15, 2005, 11:28:56 PM
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Well I don't have a prob with the Dpad being used as 4 buttons, its placed right where your thumb would be so it would be a shame not to take advantage of it. I've already explained how this controller can work for Madden so I don't see how it shouldn't be able to work for any other of the current games we have today.
Just think about it though, this current generation is strongly defined by action and fpsers. To me, it seems like the Rev could be positioned to steal the FPS fanbase hands down and we all know the Xbox lives off its FPSers. The Rev versions of any multiplatform FPSer is going to be head and shoulders above its counterparts just becuase of this controller.
It all comes down to the developers now, if they dont slack off and actually put some effert into the multi titles then I can see the Rev doing some serious damage to the other system's marketshare.
For a second, I forgot why I decided to quote your post, truth (I'm trying to sort out my thoughts on this new guy).
Ah yes, two reasons. First, your last statement, about it "coming down to the developers now." That's my gut-reaction to this, is that the prospect of the "Rev" getting decent ports is so incredibly black or white. Either it gets a great port, where the system's key feature(s) is/are used to a decent potential, or the 3rd party just doesn't bother. As Ian points out (pretty appropriately), Nintendo's current marketshare may greatly effect whether or not these companies are "with us or against us." And that's really what it is - unlike the Cube, I don't see any way for a developer to really "half-ass" a sloppy port. This is no complaint, just a slight fear that I have.
Also, while the d-pad can (occasionally) be used for button purposes, it certainly cannot be used (as has been pointed out) for other types of games that might require several button combinations (again, we're talking ports here) to where the d-pad wouldn't suffice. I will be intrigued to find out how the approach will be for, say, a port of Marvel vs. Capcom 3, or, even more importantly, as again many have pointed out, N64/SNES games. The idea that people (who don't already own a GC) will have to purchase separate controllers to use this "killer feature" in classic gaming, or buy extra dongles at $10-15 a pop, is certainly an issue.
Having said this, the interface looks great. I'm looking forward with great optimism to see how Nintendo implements this super-cool innovation into their flagship games (as only they can do). And have we forgotten about Japan? As it's been mentioned, there is a strong chance that the Revolution will be an RPG paradise, which is music to my ears. Didn't everyone get the feeling, when news/rumors started to break about the system, that this was going to be an attempt by Nintendo to revitalize gaming in Japan? I think that there's a good chance that the Revolution may be the system to do so.
As people have said, marketing and demo units are going to be oh so crucial to the success of the system in the short run. I know you express doubt about non-gamers'/casual gamers' interest and potential attachment (or lack of) to the system, Ian, and I usually agree with much of what you have to say, but I'm really inclined to believe that, what with all the testing that Nintendo HAD to have done with people, and also these very initial reactions about intuitiveness from the press, they might have a winner here.
Basically, for some odd reason I have a renewed sense of faith in Nintendo because of this unveiling, much more than I have had since...well, the mid '90s - I think I'm much less skeptical than a lot of folks. If any company can pull off something so drastically different and make it work consistently (besides Apple), it's the big N.
Post by: BlkPaladin on September 15, 2005, 11:31:02 PM
Post by: wandering on September 16, 2005, 12:20:29 AM
Christ, it's late.
This thing looks like some ill-conceived atari joystick design, but I'm sure it'll play well. Especially sure after seeing that awesome video.
I like the motion-sensing, naturally. I like the one-handed gameplay. And I like the kind of ipod cool this thing has.
But, man, is this thing clunky. I guess I was expecting that - the N64 controller was clunky. The DS is clunky.
But....multiple add ons? That'll confuse the heck out of most people. And have you seen that button layout? yeesh.
My biggest concern right now is not whether it'll play games awesomely - I'm sure it will - but rather whether Sony will steal the motion-control and come up with a more inviting solution. You know, like they did with the dualshock.
Anyway, I'm excited about this.....which is more than I can say for the other two system's controllers.
Goodnight/morning.
Post by: Truthliesn1seyes on September 16, 2005, 12:25:06 AM
In looking at the overall picture, Nintendo has taken the upper hand in both genres/fronts. FPSers and RPGs on the Rev are naturally going to be above and beyond the competitions offerings just by the mechanics of it.
EDIT: As for Sony trying to copy this revolution, I think the only way they'll be able to do it is to split the controller in half much like Nintendo has. I know the thought seems weird but its just natural. Try picking up a current gen controller and moving it to in one direction while pressing the analog stick in the oposite direction (whole controller right while analog left), it just doesn't feel right, feels counter productive in a way. By splitting the controller in 2, the hand controlling the analog stick won't be affected or feel obligated to move in conjuntion with the controler/hand as a whole.
Post by: wandering on September 16, 2005, 01:06:20 AM
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Well that is because thos two buttons are availble when you use it for the NES controler (ie on its side) so they used the A/B for the buttons because that is what it was on the NES controller for nostagic purposes, but since they already had and A/B they opted for a/b.
The A/B a/b thing is really confusing, they need to pick new names for the A and B buttons.
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As for Sony trying to copy this revolution, I think the only way they'll be able to do it is to split the controller in half much like Nintendo has.
Right. I'm imagining a scenario where Sony creates the controller everyone was expecting Nintendo to create: a regular controller that can split in 2, with motion sensors/gyros in one or both halves.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 16, 2005, 01:27:04 AM
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As for Sony trying to copy this revolution, I think the only way they'll be able to do it is to split the controller in half much like Nintendo has.
Right. I'm imagining a scenario where Sony creates the controller everyone was expecting Nintendo to create: a regular controller that can split in 2, with motion sensors/gyros in one or both halves.
Well hopefully Nintendo has secured all the rights & patents needed to protect their idea well into the next generation w/o atleast collecting on liscensing fees and/or royalties.
Post by: Mario on September 16, 2005, 01:45:44 AM
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Those are gimmicky pick-up-and-play games. They're the stuff you play when you want to fool around for 15 minutes. They're the sort of games you play in an arcade. However a serious gamer sometimes wants to sit down and play an epic for several hours a day for a couple of weeks.
UGH. I think a REAL serious gamer is the gamer who spends MORE than 15 minutes on those "gimmicky pick-up-and-play games". I consider that REAL GAMING. Yoshi Touch & Go is my favourite game on DS, I could play it for hours just trying to set high scores and discovering new paths etc. Casual gamers are the ones who flock to the latest 200 hour FF to waste their life away with boring leveling up and a story that replaces their own life, i'm ashamed to be put in the same category as them when you say that's what hardcore gamers want.
Anyway, some of you are downright depressing, it's happy happy Revolution time.
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 16, 2005, 02:18:07 AM
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Those are gimmicky pick-up-and-play games. They're the stuff you play when you want to fool around for 15 minutes. They're the sort of games you play in an arcade. However a serious gamer sometimes wants to sit down and play an epic for several hours a day for a couple of weeks.
UGH. I think a REAL serious gamer is the gamer who spends MORE than 15 minutes on those "gimmicky pick-up-and-play games". I consider that REAL GAMING. Yoshi Touch & Go is my favourite game on DS, I could play it for hours just trying to set high scores and discovering new paths etc. Casual gamers are the ones who flock to the latest 200 hour FF to waste their life away with boring leveling up and a story that replaces their own life, i'm ashamed to be put in the same category as them when you say that's what hardcore gamers want.
Anyway, some of you are downright depressing, it's happy happy Revolution time.
Quoted for truth...Plus, Iwata said himself that they will never give up traditional gaming so just chill...
Post by: BranDonk Kong on September 16, 2005, 04:03:14 AM
Post by: stevey on September 16, 2005, 04:29:18 AM
Right now their laughing their butts off but their find out what make the rev so great it be to late and there be dead!!!11! lol my god I read over 550 post in a few hour I need a drink and to naysayers that said the be nothing at tgs I luagh
in your face and reggie is take your name and about to kick butt
Post by: Shecky on September 16, 2005, 04:29:47 AM
"Actually it would be good if you could just assign a weapon or two to the motion control... for a game like zelda. So maybe it could be your sword when you feel like engaging in some sword play, or maybe you decide to assign it as your bow and the game senses when you make a "bow draw" type motion. I find that much more functional - picture a boss battle that requires slashing and the occasional arrow (oh like I don't know ... ganon ). Being able to quick draw a few weapons.... that would be cool and functional use. Also, in a FPS as you aim and shoot with the controller, you can make a quick "throwing a hand grenade" motion to chuck a grenade without ever have to actually switch to one."
Adding to that... A star wars game: plays with the wand and stick attachment. Hold select on the stick and the wand becomes responsive to "force actions"... like detecting a motion towards the set as "force push". Holding the "B" trigger pulles out the character's lightsaber for which the wand controls.
See endless possibilities
Post by: Nile Boogie on September 16, 2005, 04:30:58 AM
I truly (hopefully) believe this to be the birth of the Indie Gamer. Small 8-man teams of programmers putting out quality software in record time. The DvD feature I think has to become standard. No way can this pass muster if playback id optional but the controller is a remote. Damn the fees!! I have faith yet I can blame those who are apprehensive about the future.
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Post by: Shecky on September 16, 2005, 04:37:01 AM
I'm calling, from now, an attachment that looks like the wavebird... except that the center of the controller (specifically the very top front and back) are gutted. The Rev's wand would drop into the top and connect. Since the back is gutted the battery door is accessible. Also removing the top front would make the home, start, and select keys accessible.
Personally I think both have their place. An attachment that makes for a "one piece" controller and the two piece we've seen. I see a lot of FPS being played with the 2 piece and a wrist over wrist style of control.
Post by: Rhoq on September 16, 2005, 04:45:52 AM
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As for all the "we want a traditional one piece controller" talk
I'm calling, from now, an attachment that looks like the wavebird... except that the center of the controller (specifically the very top front and back) are gutted. The Rev's wand would drop into the top and connect. Since the back is gutted the battery door is accessible. Also removing the top front would make the home, start, and select keys accessible.
Personally I think both have their place. An attachment that makes for a "one piece" controller and the two piece we've seen. I see a lot of FPS being played with the 2 piece and a wrist over wrist style of control.
Shecky - it sounds like you and I have the same thing in mind...
(from the "More Traditionally Designed Controller" Thread)
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I have a feeling that there might be a more "traditional" Revolution controller as well. The remote control piece could slide into the underside of it, connecting inside the controller (no dangling wire) and use the "B" button on the underside as a trigger for the controller. The entire thing wouldn't be any larger than a WaveBird controller.
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 16, 2005, 05:42:17 AM
Eurogamer: How is the controller going to work with games that aren't designed specifically for the Revolution - multi-platform titles and so on?
Jim Merrick: We're producing a classic-style expansion controller, based on traditional designs like the Gamecube controller. It's like a shell with a hole in the top into which you slot the freehand-style controller, and then you can play third-party ported games, and retro Nintendo games you've downloaded.
SEE THIS, IAN? I sure hope so, because now it's confirmed that the Revolution can play EVERYTHING...
Post by: Pale on September 16, 2005, 05:43:26 AM
Glad to see Ian is trying to stay constructive. Sorry to see Mantis is still posting here.
Anyway, I'm still very intrigued with this idea. Plenty of people are down on it though, which can be expected. Nintendo has the shock stage finished. They have everyone's attention. Now they just need to prove it to people.
I see two possible situations next gen, both of which see an increase in Nintendo's sales.
1. (Not as likely as two, but still a possibility)
This is a revolution. Games will never be the same. Nintendo will be dominant. Revs will sell at SNES levels.
2. (Much more likely)
This will cause a great increase in the number of people that own multiple consoles. This benefits Nintendo because virtually every one of those people will choose the Rev as one console, and then the actual decision will come down to PS3 vs. MS. This is why differentiation is a good thing. Next gen will still be Sony vs. MS everywhere, but for a slightly different reason. The revolution isn't really a similar product anymore. People won't base their buying decision off of a competition... they will base it solely off of whether or not they want to play Rev games. Considering it's Nintendo, that's a very good thing.
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 16, 2005, 05:48:37 AM
Jim Merrick: Let's just say we have more surprises in store.
IT'S NOT OVER YET! =D
Post by: Pale on September 16, 2005, 05:49:46 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 16, 2005, 06:01:55 AM
Post by: Spak-Spang on September 16, 2005, 06:30:08 AM
Lets see.
We know we can use 2 controllers at a time for drums and such.
We have an analog attachment.
We have comments from Iwata that a more traditional controller can be linked to the control wand (read the 1up impressions of the controller)
and Reggie commenting that this controller would be perfect for the other games. (Read: Still something missing...)
Though the system is really all falling into place. Why the Gamecube Controller ports are needed.
I can't wait to see the other attachments. Literally there are an endless supply of attachments, AND they could be rather cheap to make and sell.
Now I want to see a great Fishing Game
Sword Fight Game (First Person Fighter) With the option of 2 sword fights.
Drumstick games and such.
Hopefully these controllers are cheap, because already I want 4-8 controllers for all the advanced games available.
My only worry about the controller is multiplayer games...it may be difficult design to play traditional single screen multiplayer games.
Will those games disappear for a more user friendly online gaming?
Post by: Toruresu on September 16, 2005, 06:34:40 AM
I'm still not sure, as someone already said, I wanna play and see how this actually works.
Post by: ThePerm on September 16, 2005, 06:36:52 AM
Post by: Caliban on September 16, 2005, 06:38:07 AM
Post by: BiLdItUp1 on September 16, 2005, 06:38:57 AM
Post by: ShyGuy on September 16, 2005, 06:44:52 AM
Post by: couchmonkey on September 16, 2005, 06:54:21 AM
Good:
- Very happy to hear about the traditional controller attachment - my worries about third party support are all but gone (Nintendo still has to overcome the usual problems of third party support, but at least the controller isn't as likely to count against them).
- Having the remote controller all by itself is Nintendo's doorway to the non-gamer crowd: I guarantee you that Nintendo will release games that use only the remote controller. I know a lot of people are skeptical about the non-gamer crowd, even I am...but I do believe Nintendo is right when it claims that current controllers are too much for that crowd. Many of the non-gamers I know are much more comfortable playing NES games than anything else, because the controller is so simple.
- This is going to allow for some awesome games. Several existing genres like FPS', RPGs and sports will benefit greatly from this controller.
Bad:
- Nintendo has to be careful about how they sell this thing. Too many attachments will turn people off, I hope Nintendo comes up with about 3 basic attachments that cover all of the major possiblities, and I hope that attachments are CHEAP. I also think Nintendo should consider bundling all the important attachments with the system, and possibly selling remote controller bundles that come with all of the attachments. Nintendo can sell them separately too, but don't make me buy 20 separate parts to put together a multiplayer game system that covers all of the bases.
- The same concept that makes the system accessible to non-gamers will make it scary for them. The remote controller on its own isn't scary, but throw in a bunch of attachments and it may be even more of a turn-off than traditional controllers.
- Where are the games? Nintendo must have an outstanding launch lineup to sell this thing. The DS is finally showing it's full potential, but it took several months to get there. Nintendo won't be first out of the gates, and it isn't the most popular home console manufacturer, so a few great games are a must. On the upside, the fact that Nintendo didn't show us anything may mean the games are going to blow my skeevy little mind. I sure hope so!
Ugly:
- Why does everyone thing Apple is so great at designing things? The remote controller does look just like an Apple product: boring and ugly. Just a stupid opinion, though, who cares?
Edit: added one point.
Post by: Don'tHate742 on September 16, 2005, 06:54:36 AM
Really, all Nintendo needs is a "halo" of sorts. Make a fantastically immersive, mature, yet Nintendo style FPS (read: not FPA ala Metriod...although that will be the s**t too!) and Nintendo could gain a large part of the Xbox fanbase. They won't shift entirely, instead, if the REV is at a cheap price point, they'll pick it up as a second console.
If everybody picks it up as a second console, and those non-gamers pick it up as a first....Nintendo could quite possibly recapture the gaming scene once again.
Like I said though: This will only happen if they have the software to prove the interface worthy of mass amounts of fun, and an incredible "bang for your buck" or mass-market friendly package to launch with.
Post by: Don'tHate742 on September 16, 2005, 06:56:00 AM
Post by: Artimus on September 16, 2005, 06:59:27 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 16, 2005, 07:03:46 AM
Post by: Artimus on September 16, 2005, 07:26:13 AM
Post by: Cap on September 16, 2005, 08:17:05 AM
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Originally posted by: Artimus
There's no genre I can think of where this wouldn't make the games more intuitive.
I have to agree. For months i've been doubting that nintendo could come up with something to get me excited about games again, but they've done it. I like it. If developers give this thing a chance i cant even begin to imagine what could be done with it, and it seems to me that if the effort was put forth, most(there would be exceptions) third party games would port over quite well(or possibly better in some cases).
Post by: wandering on September 16, 2005, 08:55:03 AM
Here are a few things for the nay-sayers to consider:
The pointer-analog setup will be standard. Most games will use this setup. Newbie games will use nothing but the pointer, and a select few wacky games will use a custom controller extension.
The controller has N64 functionality + motion sensors. Apart from the N64’s mostly useless D-pad, this controller has everything the N64’s did.
’Epic games will not work with this!’ is baloney. Zelda will work spectacularly.
Imagine: your left hand controls Link. Analog moves, L1 performs context sensitive actions, L2 lock onto enemies. Your right hand controls what Link is holding. A will draw your sword, B will raise your shield, and the d-pad will select other items. Then, you will control items with movement: you’ll flick to throw a deku seed, swing to swing your sword, move the controller around to look around with a lantern in dark places, etc.
The motion sensor makes up for lost functionality Fighters will henceforth be controlled by flicking your wrist. And it will be awesome.
2 pointers can be used at once, one in each hand. Does the functionality never cease?
I’ve come to the conclusion that this controller is very functional, and will, in fact, rock your world. I hope you folks come to the same.
Post by: Rancid Planet on September 16, 2005, 09:40:01 AM
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Originally posted by: Rancid Planet
So bottom line, the controller RAWKS. The naysayers are TEH SUK and Nintendo just totally energized me about games all over again. I didn't think they could do that but they did. I should have known better than to doubt their courage. So in apology I will simply BELIEVE IN THEM enough to think that they will address the few major issues that are apparent with their little controller in due time and that all we be right upon the system's realese.
And I was right to believe in them. The "Standard gaming" controller they are releasing is my proof. I knew Nintendo wouldn't shut out third parties like that.
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My original post is still the best one in this whole thread. Eat it suckers!
Post by: vudu on September 16, 2005, 09:40:04 AM
QuoteI totally want to be able to tape two controllers to my feet to play FIFA 2006. That would ROCK
I can't understand why people can't see sports games with this controller. They'll be so immersive...just really, the possibilities are so far out there right now, I have trouble trying to form an adequate explanation...
I also think Nintendo should include the original Super Mario Bros and Duck Hunt with the Revolution. If nothing else, it would be pretty funny.
Post by: trip1eX on September 16, 2005, 09:49:59 AM
Post by: Don'tHate742 on September 16, 2005, 09:59:50 AM
Haven't they seen the analogue stick that instead of tilting in all directions, slides in a nice circular sort of pit? That would have been a much better option than the D-pad.
Meh...oh well it's nothing to really bitch about....
Post by: Hostile Creation on September 16, 2005, 10:17:49 AM
Post by: Stimutacs Addict on September 16, 2005, 10:18:03 AM
then again that controller kicks some wicked ass
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 16, 2005, 10:30:12 AM
Post by: The Omen on September 16, 2005, 10:37:28 AM
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Ugly:
- Why does everyone thing Apple is so great at designing things? The remote controller does look just like an Apple product: boring and ugly. Just a stupid opinion, though, who cares?
Apple has that sleek, minimalist futuristic 'A Clockwork Orange' style down pat. People dig dystopian/utopian designs. Nintendo's Revolution looks as though it could be in THX 1138 and the imagined future of society. It's just cool.
Post by: vudu on September 16, 2005, 10:43:56 AM
Post by: Artimus on September 16, 2005, 10:45:37 AM
Post by: couchmonkey on September 16, 2005, 10:55:03 AM
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Originally posted by: The OmenQuote
Ugly:
- Why does everyone thing Apple is so great at designing things? The remote controller does look just like an Apple product: boring and ugly. Just a stupid opinion, though, who cares?
Apple has that sleek, minimalist futuristic 'A Clockwork Orange' style down pat. People dig dystopian/utopian designs. Nintendo's Revolution looks as though it could be in THX 1138 and the imagined future of society. It's just cool.
Yeah, I know why people like it. I just don't.
Actually, I liked iMacs back in the day because they added some colour to the world of computers. In spite of my whining, I think the design is smart because it makes Revolution look "cool".Nintendo: please give me an indigo Rev so I can place it next to my GameCube. I know I don't need my GameCube anymore after the Revolution is announced, but I'm going to keep it anyway. I plan to buy a coloured Revolution because the white/grey/black ones are so boring, but that funky retro green one is sooo going to clash with indigo.
Post by: vudu on September 16, 2005, 10:59:26 AM
QuoteWhat do you mean? Physically on top of the TV? Or on the screen? What if I want to put it under my TV? Or next to? Elaborate, please.
Originally posted by: Artimus
Goes on the TV.
Post by: Artimus on September 16, 2005, 11:03:29 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on September 16, 2005, 11:05:14 AM
Post by: Artimus on September 16, 2005, 11:48:51 AM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
It's kind of an annoying restriction if I have to position things about my TV just so. I don't play games in a big empty room. Adding a new console to an already crowded entertainment system is a bit of a challenge so a console that is picky about where is sits in relation to the TV is very inconvenient.
You are so totally idiotic at times it's really quite refreshing. I bet Guiness has a place for you.
We're talking about a little tiny thing. Not the console, that goes anywhere. A little tiny object that communicates with the controller and the Rev wirelessly. I use a 13" tv in a dorm room for most of the year and I'm not flipping out.
Post by: Caliban on September 16, 2005, 11:51:57 AM
Edit: As far as we know we don't know if these sensor plates are connected in any way to the Rev. As far as I am concerned the plates will not be connected to anything, they will serve as reference points to the controller, how I don't know but I bet it can be done without the need to connect them with wires to get their source energy for transmission, perhaps one of those thin watch batteries will be used since I guess the plates won't need much energy.
Post by: stevey on September 16, 2005, 12:11:29 PM
Post by: Spak-Spang on September 16, 2005, 12:12:09 PM
What I have decided is that simply put the Revolution needs to come with a controller with all the absolute accessories needed for gaming.
Meaning I expect, and demand the Revolution to be packaged with the Analog Button, and the more traditional controller shell inside the package. (I will be lienant on the Controller shell IF Nintendo adds 4 face buttons to the Wand for playing SNES games, and I guess the shoulder buttons.)
Then Nintendo needs to package extra controllers with all these accessories. So basically even Controller is these three basic elements combined. This would create a much more structured enviroment for the Revolution and allow for developers to have a solid foundation on what all players will have when designing games...specially multiplayer games.
Revolution gamers will have:
A Traditional Controler
A Revolution Wand
An Analog Stick Attachment
And buying a new controller gives players all these functions.
I believe Nintendo can do this and completely match Microsofts price point with there controllers. And I think that would be fair.
Additional Attachments could then be bought seperate and packaged into special games.
What do you guys think?
Post by: Ian Sane on September 16, 2005, 12:24:12 PM
I didn't know how big. People are talking about positioning stuff and I thought of a potential issue with that sort of thing. Someone suggests the stand as being one of the positioning thingys. Well we all know what goes in the stand.
Even little things could be a pain depending on one's arrangement. How accurate are these things? If somebody touches it and moves it over an inch does the game go all wacky on me? Is this going to be like having rabbit ears for a console? I don't want to have to bust out measuring tape just to set up a console. Where do I have to sit? Where do the other players have to sit? Those are big issues. If everyone has to sit really close to each other for example multiplayer is going to lose a fair bit of its appeal. Do I have to move everything around if I want to switch from the couch to the floor?
Right now I just pop a game in, turn the console on, and sit whereever I want in whatever position I want. Can I still do that?
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 16, 2005, 12:27:26 PM
Post by: Spak-Spang on September 16, 2005, 12:29:00 PM
Hopefully, it won't be too much of a problem, but right now it appears well worth the extra effort.
This is literally the first time a single system controller has opened up the door to create all those unique and special arcade experiences at home.
I can't wait for dance game that requires you to move your hands and feet to dance your night away.
Post by: Spak-Spang on September 16, 2005, 12:39:10 PM
Don't worry the Revolution will most likely be released in White and Black with equal amounts of both colors in the US. Now, my question is about other colors. I love the idea of having multiple color wands, but I also want multiple color attachments to help organize and keep my controls seperated. Your Controller is Red and so is your Analog Stick...so this one must be mine.
Post by: Artimus on September 16, 2005, 12:44:17 PM
Yes. Good point.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 16, 2005, 12:47:04 PM
Post by: wandering on September 16, 2005, 12:47:08 PM
Yeah, Nintendo should probably do that.
I'm just really not sure about this whole multiple controller extensions thing....could get really confusing for the consumer. Sure, when playing the DS you have to switch between the touch screen and the buttons. But here, you actually have to set up your controller to different specifications, depending on the game.
And having to drag along 3+ controllers along, PER PERSON, when transporting the REV about town, will get really annoying.
Which is why I'm thinking there should be only one 'standard' extension: the nunchunk. All other extensions should be niche and not required for the majority of games.
"Right now I just pop a game in, turn the console on, and sit whereever I want in whatever position I want. Can I still do that?" -IanSane
Knowing Nintendo, probably. I'm guessing the only inconveince is that, when first setting up the REV, you'll have to place a small device on your TV in addition to plugging the REV into TV and wall. And that wouldn't be much of an incovenience at all.
Post by: vudu on September 16, 2005, 12:58:56 PM
As far as the Revolution controller goes, I'm thinking you press the Home key and it auto-calibrates.
Post by: wandering on September 16, 2005, 01:02:24 PM
I hope not, that would really suck.
People move all over the place in the controller video, though, so I'm not that worried
Post by: Spak-Spang on September 16, 2005, 01:02:39 PM
In fact, the more I see the controller I am worried about 4 player multiplayer games. The 4 player Split Screen system seems like it won't work for this controller. Specially with First Person Shooters.
Now, you also bring up a good point about confusing gamers with so many attachments...but 3 standard attachments aren't too many...specially when you are at most using 2 of them. Besides, it is more important to make the console appear developer friendly with the convential controller understood to be available to every gamer, and the Analog Button available for every gamer.
The other attachments I agree should be niche and less worried about.
Post by: ShyGuy on September 16, 2005, 01:15:13 PM
I'd like them to change the colors of the buttons on the wand, not necessarily gamecube colors, but a different shade to make them stand out. Just a minor asthetic quibble.
Post by: Spak-Spang on September 16, 2005, 01:17:23 PM
By the way, I demand a new Luigi's Mansion game with this controller!!!!
Post by: KnowsNothing on September 16, 2005, 01:19:12 PM
Spak- I'm not sure what you mean....How would split screen not work?
Post by: wandering on September 16, 2005, 01:31:47 PM
Playing with people that are right beside you is always more fun, IMO.
Besides, I don't know about you, but that controller video made me really excited about the possibilities of single-tv multiplayer gaming. Didn't that co-op horror game look like it could be the coolest thing ever?
As for the split-screen problem, some of the best multiplayer games are single-screen (see: super smash bros.) Sure, traditional fpses and other deathmatches might not work, but you could still have co-op on-rails shooters, for example.
Now, you also bring up a good point about confusing gamers with so many attachments...but 3 standard attachments aren't too many
I guess. And it IS nice to have all your bases covered.
Personally, though, I'm going to hope that the classic controller won't be used for anything except classic download games.
I mean, really, why on earth would any developer opt out of free-hand motion control for 2 extra buttons and a stick?
Post by: Fro on September 16, 2005, 01:34:36 PM
Post by: mantidor on September 16, 2005, 05:27:07 PM
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Originally posted by: Caliban
A quick note to Mantidor about him being a lefty: just switch the controllers and you can use the wand (that's what I'm calling it) on your left hand and the other thingamajig on your right, I don't see any barrier with this controller in fact it must be the most ergonomic ever for any hand use, you will see that in the video several people used the left hand to use the wand, oh and the attachment with the analogue stick looks like it can be used by either left or right hand so I think you will be alright.
Yeah I realised that after looking closely, but the original screenshots led me to believe the analog atachment was ergonomically design for the left hand, not any hand, I suppose it molded so perfectly with the left hand that I somehow thought that.
Post by: Galford on September 16, 2005, 08:17:26 PM
It also sounds like Nintendo is making the Nunchuck add-on standard for the pack-in.
I want to see a real game played on this thing, not some demos.
Nintendo's first gen of Rev software really must show how this will work or
many people will label it as gimmicky.
Post by: stevey on September 17, 2005, 04:54:11 AM
It's not gimmicky the 360 controller is gimmicky with it on button
Post by: kennyb27 on September 17, 2005, 05:12:28 AM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
Not impressed at all.
Good for you, I'm glad you made your decision on it before you could try it for yourself...
You know, Bill, I could say the same thing about you, you just saw images of it and were very impressed. Don't our initial impressions form our INITIAL opinions? Just because the first time I saw it, I didn't have the same positive reaction as you, means that I can't talk about it, but you can? I wasn't saying I went to TGS and tried it and didn't like it. I'm saying that what hit my mind (which is by the way the definition of impression) when I saw it was initially...it wasn't negative...let's just say not entirely positive.
Oh, and I have to ask everyone who talked about EA, is it comfortable on that bandwagon? Because for the past two months, you have been torching EA's decisions and every game they make, and now all of a sudden, you jump on the bandwagon because EA says some positive things about Nintendo's new console (like Ian said, they have to say that, they want their games to sell on it and if they don't say that, the games won't--it doesn't mean they really are excited).
What about the IGN bandwagon too? I mean that's all I hear on this board, is how IGN sucks and are biased, but after their positive HANDS-ON impressions of the controller, IGN is right and we have to hold them up as exemplary. (Tut, tut, Grey Ninja would not be happy with ya'll).
Now time for me to state some of my recent feelings, I can't help but agree with alot that was said by Ian, Manti, and by the guys in the recent addition of Blah Blah Blah. I do see alot of potential, but I want to see something that will justify Nintendo's going to this type of controller. Like someone said in this thread, I don't think Zelda is about swinging a sword, that sword is just a vehicle to the point of the game: an epic adventure. I don't think Mario is about flicking the controller to jump, I think jumping is just a part of the experience.
I have, however, warmed up to the idea of the controller, I'm just going to wait and see how Nintendo uses it in their games (which will in turn, form the way third parties look at the idea).
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 17, 2005, 05:22:03 AM
Yes, I am INITIALLY impressed...The idea for the Revolution is POTENTIALLY awesome...Does that mean I'll finally like the end product? Of course not, but I am willing to trust Nintendo for the time being and I'm willing to actually try the thing out...HOWEVER, saying that you aren't impressed and that you won't be buying/trying a Revolution because of that initial impression is flawed...You understand?
Oh, and you probably weren't pointing the EA/IGN comments at me, but I've only pointed out the EA comments to prove that the support will be there (which isn't even needed anymore now that we know that there's a traditional control setup)...
Post by: Mario on September 17, 2005, 05:26:11 AM
Post by: kennyb27 on September 17, 2005, 05:29:23 AM
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All I can say is that this may be the first time Nintendo has some serious convincing to do for me, at least, when it comes to selling me a console.
Meaning: I would have to be convinced some more that I like the direction Nintendo is heading. We haven't seen a game demo yet, I want to see what it's like before I'm ready for fork over 300 dollars for a system and a couple games.
And you're right, I wasn't pointing the EA/IGN comments at you. Like I said, I read 9 pages of this thread in a 45 minute span and that was the feeling that I got from a lot of people, I just thought it was very interesting considering the view of mostly everyone on this forum normally.
EDIT: Mario, I'm not making anyone (especially Bill) look like the bad guy. I'm one that loves reading yours and Bill's posts normally because it's refreshing to read someone who can find the silver lining in the sometimes "the world against Nintendo" philosophy and I think everyone that reads the forums semi-often knows that. I was pointing out something that I thought was flawed in his assessment of what I said. I'm glad there are people who are "HAPPY and excited about the Nintendo Revolution." I WANT Nintendo to succeed, I love playing Mario and Zelda and Metroid. If there weren't people like Bill, then Nintendo wouldn't exist. I'm just not as convinced as Bill and you are yet. What can I say, I'm less of an optimist.
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 17, 2005, 05:35:09 AM
Post by: kennyb27 on September 17, 2005, 05:37:20 AM
*points Mario to EDIT in previous post*
Post by: wandering on September 17, 2005, 06:03:59 AM
Regarding IGN....
IGN is made up of idiots, for the most part. That doesn't mean that they're wrong everytime they praise something, or wrong everytime they crticise something. It's just that their opinions tend to lack, you know, intellegence. Which leads them to crtisizing a game like Beach Spikers because the boobs don't bounce, or TWP because it uses 'antiquated' text instead of voice acting, etc.
I think the fact that they opened their minds to Revolution's controller, without critising the lack of buttons or making snide comments about the Revolution's perported inferior graphics capabilities, was suprising. And I think their positive comments are corraberated by what we already know about the controller, and what IGN has told us about how well it functions. So, coupled with good features like the one that visually demonstrated some control possibilities, I'd say their coverage of the controller unveiling was suprisingly good.
Their still a bunch of idiots, though.
Regarding EA.....
Everyone wants lots of 3rd party support. The fact that the unimaginative and evil EA says they like the controller and can work with the controller is good news, even for people who hate EA.
Regarding Zelda not being about adventuring instead of swinging a sword...
I'm honestly not sure I agree. Zelda, like many Nintendo games (and especially Miyamoto games) is about simulating experience. It's about putting you in the shoes of a boy who's heading out into the world for the first time, it's about making you feel like you are actually partaking in his journey as much as possible. When you play your Ocarina, you don't select the song you want to play form a menu... you actually push buttons that correspond to notes, just so that it feels, as much as possible, like you are playing a real ocarina.
Post by: ShyGuy on September 17, 2005, 07:29:25 AM
Post by: Dirk Temporo on September 17, 2005, 08:00:46 AM
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Originally posted by: ShyGuy
The Windwaker baton is going to be so much better, I always had a hard time with the C stick notes
o_0
MY GOD! I didn't even THINK of that!
Post by: mantidor on September 17, 2005, 08:57:59 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 17, 2005, 09:05:36 AM
Post by: stevey on September 17, 2005, 10:34:35 AM
Post by: WuTangTurtle on September 18, 2005, 10:33:38 AM
Post by: Rancid Planet on September 18, 2005, 12:19:57 PM
Post by: kennyb27 on September 18, 2005, 04:39:11 PM
So, my point is neither of these have changed their position. See what I mean, it's seems to me, at least, that everyone is just taking them a whole lot more seriously since they said these statements about the Revolution controller.
Post by: Hostile Creation on September 18, 2005, 04:49:13 PM
Other than that, my opinion of them remains unchanged.
Post by: Rancid Planet on September 18, 2005, 08:35:36 PM
And no, EA never really bashed Nintendo in the past, not with words anyway, and IGNcube...well they ARE the Nintendo section of IGN. I mean Matt is kind of a dumbass but I could say way worse things about many of his fellow IGNers.
I don't really care what EA, IGN or anyone else SAY about the Rev. It's really about the longterm here. EA need to stop raining on Nintendo's parade and port over everything. IGN, just so long as they don't invest too much energy into bashing the Rev, we should be fine. But as I said, EA are the generic mainstream developer and IGN are the generic mainstream website. So having them say positive things at the moment is doing nothing but helping out Nintendo's cause.
Post by: Artimus on September 18, 2005, 08:46:43 PM
Post by: Rancid Planet on September 18, 2005, 08:57:26 PM
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Originally posted by: Artimus
Yeah, say what you will about Matt he's not even comparable to the stupidity of the other sections. He actually plays and is familiar with all systems. Ever hear the PS2 or XBOX guys talk about other systems? It's basically every moronic statement you can think up. I should mention Craig from handhelds is good too.
I know. While I have my issues with Matt, whenever anyone starts in about his lesser qualities I like to mention how the PS2 and XBOX section staff act like 13 year old fanboys instead of profressionals. Matt comes down on Nintendo sometimes but he's just trying to appear objective. The other guys don't care how biased they sound.
My only issues with Matt have to do with his tendencies to act like he knows some "secret info" that there is no way he knows.
Post by: wandering on September 18, 2005, 09:20:03 PM
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PS2 and XBOX section staff act like 13 year old fanboys instead of profressionals. Matt comes down on Nintendo sometimes but he's just trying to appear objective. The other guys don't care how biased they sound.
Actually, one of the reasons I was looking forward to Nintendo teaming up with gamespy was that I thought it might put Nintendo on more equal footing when it came to the, ahem, financial contributions department. I think ign's positive coverage of rev's controller might be an early sign that their partnership will indeed pay off for Nintendo.
What's that, you say? You think I'm implying that ign is bribed by Microsoft and Sony? Don't be ridiculous!
Post by: mantidor on September 18, 2005, 09:29:23 PM
Post by: wandering on September 18, 2005, 10:01:52 PM
But I do wonder, if Nintendo wasn't in a financial aragement with ign, whether ign would've dissented and talked about how awkward the controller was, and how it didn't have enough buttons, etc.
Or I am just being way too cynical here?
Post by: PaLaDiN on September 18, 2005, 10:08:13 PM
Post by: Switchblade Cross on September 18, 2005, 10:20:15 PM
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Originally posted by: wandering
Oh, I don't doubt that the controller is good.
But I do wonder, if Nintendo wasn't in a financial aragement with ign, whether ign would've dissented and talked about how awkward the controller was, and how it didn't have enough buttons, etc.
Or I am just being way too cynical here?
Well, IGN hasent suspiciously gone back and changed their review of crappy FOX games and they havent been rainting and raving over DVDs that diden't deserve it. Just because FOX OWNS IGN that dosent mean they give their products special treatment. I see the Nintendo thing no diffrent.
I'm not deathly inlove with the Xbox just because I use Windows...
Come on, people can keep their objectivity. If they give preferential treatment then they will compromise journalistic integrity, which is bad for them in the end...
Post by: wandering on September 18, 2005, 10:33:08 PM
I don't think they have any left to lose
Post by: stevey on September 19, 2005, 11:49:06 AM
reggie:with our big showing of the controller we had...
kevin(the evil infidel that make fun of nintendo that I GOING TO KILL!):what showing?
reggie: you don't know HA HA HA
(reggie kickes kevin butt)
Post by: couchmonkey on September 19, 2005, 01:06:17 PM
Post by: Rancid Planet on September 19, 2005, 03:32:21 PM
Post by: Jhiando on September 19, 2005, 11:00:45 PM
Anyway my 2 cents ( this is a forum after all ).... NINTENDO HAS FREAKIN' LOST IT's MIND ! They lost it by putting a figurative gun to it's head in the form of this controller and blown it's brains out. My prediction this time ( like some of the other times I've gone out on a limb and posted them here - got flamed for posting critical Nintendo posts ) ... Revolution is worse than the Gamecube in user base. That controller is a revolution and it's playability maybe be revoltuionary / fun whatever BUT this Revolution will be a massive failure. It will go down in flames. YES the die hard Nintendo fanboy fanatic will still buy it BUT Nintendo will lose some of the mainstream gamers who bought a Gamecube last generation... they will not gain them this generation. They won't be #1 ( I think Microsoft might actually pull it off this time ) and it won't be #2 ( again Xbox 360 or PS3 )... but it will be in an even worse third place position. Of course Nintendo being Nintendo - they will probably still be profittable.
I do think that there will definitely be some great games which take advantage of that controller ... BUT I think that controller should have be an add on controller like the Donkey Konga drum set or something.
Anyway mark this prediction along with the others I have made and become true. In one to two years time we will all know who is right or wrong. Now I will put on my flame proof suit of armor....
Post by: Hostile Creation on September 19, 2005, 11:11:03 PM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 19, 2005, 11:16:42 PM
Where will I be in 1-2 years? What are my lucky #'s?
Why did the chicken cross the road? How many licks does it take to get to the center of a tootsie pop?
Can you tell me what I'm gonna say next?....
Post by: Mario on September 19, 2005, 11:26:07 PM
Post by: wandering on September 19, 2005, 11:26:47 PM
Is it because the controller is too different?
I don't buy it. First off, mainstream gamers are used to change - things change in the videogame world all the time. Second off, can you think of a single time a Nintendo-made controller innovation was bad for either Nintendo or the industry?
Frankly, it would've been suicide for Nintendo if they DIDN'T come up with a radical new controller.
Post by: Ian Sane on September 20, 2005, 07:25:33 AM
It's not like Nintendo has shown that they've learned from their mistakes or anything. The Cube didn't end up in last place because the controller wasn't innovative enough. It was last place because Nintendo make blatantly obvious stupid mistakes. There's no evidence that they've learned from that and THAT is what they have to change. The remote controller is a distraction. They hope that being different will make up for their usual boneheadedness. They either feel they can't or don't want to fix their own problems so they're pulling this "we're not doing the same thing as Sony and MS" routine and hoping no one notices.
I'd say that anyone making positive predictions about Nintendo is jumping the gun. We've got a weird controller that we have no idea how the general public is going to react to and we have a company that does WORSE every generation. I think we at least need to see a game before we assume they'll break the pattern and actually do better for once.
Post by: Mario on September 20, 2005, 07:34:08 AM
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It's not like Nintendo has shown that they've learned from their mistakes or anything.
They've learned about the design of the system, you can't call Revolution a "purple lunchbox". They've learned about online play. We haven't really seen any evidence that they HAVEN'T learned from their mistakes, because they've done everything right with Rev so far based on what we know, i'd say it's pretty silly to be negative right now, because all the negativity is just empty assumptions.
Post by: PaLaDiN on September 20, 2005, 07:40:10 AM
But I mean, sure, by all means believe that everything is peachy and if Nintendo could just stick to their guns without making mistakes they would do better than ever, despite all the evidence. Are you going to tell me the Cube had more blatantly obvious stupid mistakes than the N64 next? That the tiny percentage of people who cared about online was a bigger loss than the third parties who jumped off the cartridge boat? Which console did better again?
Sorry Ian, you're going to have to throw away this delusion of "no mistakes = Nintendo in a better position". They don't innovate, more and more people get bored. People get bored, your ideal business model dies a horrible death.
Post by: BigJim on September 20, 2005, 08:17:47 AM
I say that because neither MS or Nintendo can match Sony's massive distribution. At all. I mean, it's not even close. They'll put an outlet on every street corner if they can.
It's too early to predict failure. But I do think MS and Nintendo will pick up whatever's left. HOWEVER. I will say this. So far Nintendo has only demonstrated that they are targetting the Nintendogs crowd with this controller. They've made a point to remind us of how awesome they are because of that game all the time. (Sucks for me since I'm not interested in virtual pet games.) They still need to prove they are serious about the rest of us.
They probably THINK they are, just like they think their method of making games for everybody actually satisfies everybody, but the proof will be in the pudding.
Post by: Ian Sane on September 20, 2005, 08:28:17 AM
Yes. The N64 had one huge mistake that whatever Nintendo did they couldn't recover from. But Nintendo's marketing was pretty good on the N64 and in general they made the right games at the right time. The Cube had no initial excuse for Nintendo to be handcuffed by. They had the opportunity to recover from the cartridge mistake and they blew it. Aside from the Wavebird and the really amazing load times Nintendo screwed pretty much everything up on the Cube. It was the most frustrating thing I've ever seen. The N64 hardware, I feel, did as well as it could have. No other company could have taken the same hardware and done better with it. The Cube could have done WAY better. Sony with the Cube hardware would have still been number one. The N64 was Nintendo making the best out of a bad situation. The Cube was Nintendo making the worst out of a good opportunity.
If Nintendo has learned from their mistakes why have we seen their precious secret but haven't seen any games or specs or graphics? Nintendo was modest about the power of the Cube last gen and as a result a lot of people assumed the Cube was weaker than the PS2. There have been rumours about the Rev being significantly underpowered yet Nintendo has made no effort to kill these rumours. And now they've shown their secret. That was the whole reason to be quiet. Why have they not shown as more? They're still being secretive about silly things. They're still being shortsighted and forcing stupid restrictions. Case in point: no HD support. Plus while they are finally online they're being VERY secretive about it. Plus they have this weird obsession about wi-fi. I'm happy they're online but I don't like all this wi-fi talk. It sounds like another one of Nintendo's patented stupid restrictions, in this case forcing everyone to use wireless internet instead of, you know, just plugging our broadband cord into the Rev. Sure I just have to buy a wireless router but I'd rather not buy anything particularly when there's no good reason to be forced to use wi-fi.
And most important of all Nintendo has shown us some nifty new gadget. But, like with connectivity, they haven't shown us an actual GAME to justify it. They're hoping that just being different is going to give them an advantage again.
I think they have improved somethings but even with the Cube they learned to go with optical discs so it's not like they never learn anything. But they're still insane and are still living in their own little world. They still think that they have the same power they had when they were number one, like they can do anything and people will care. I still see delusional "we're the only company that has good ideas" Nintendo.
Hell Nintendo isn't even showing anything on the TGS floor. They still think they're above the industry. Until they get that idiotic idea out of their head they're still the same stubborn Nintendo.
Post by: Stimutacs Addict on September 20, 2005, 10:09:35 AM
and ian, they dont need to show us a game to justify this new control scheme. I know "the controller is broken, nintendo is wussin out to distract people so that maybe they can compete with microsoft, etc etc"
but you know what? this control scheme will satisfy their business model (it looks simple -- and fun-- enough for anyone to play), and i wouldn't be surprised if Rev begins to outsell x360 after that first FPS is released (what else do people buy Xbox's for?). no one can beat sony, now, however.,,, gamers will probably buy every iteration of Playstation from now to the end of time.
unless there is some secret to the Rev visuals (3d?), they really have no excuse to not show us some pics... i dont give a rat's bum about specs, but we need some screenshots of games running on the Revolution. My only suspicion for the lack of spec news is that nintendo might be waiting on something -- i have no idea as to what -- but you're right about the specs and graphics. i would have expected to see running software before seeing the controller.
Post by: ShyGuy on September 20, 2005, 10:41:50 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on September 20, 2005, 10:54:10 AM
They may have sucked as a console maker but they were still an amazing game developer. I like the Cube, I just am REALLY disappointed in it. The games were still good enough to deal with Nintendo's crap, though that doesn't exempt it from criticism.
My concern with the Rev is exactly that Nintendo won't be making a product for me. This non-gamer bullsh!t is getting priority over me, a longtime supporter and fan. They haven't gotten to that point yet though so I'm still here. Hell Twilight Princess is still due so I have reason to stick around Planet GAMECUBE for a little while yet.
I'll leave when I'm not interested in Nintendo at all anymore. I really hope that never happens though.
Post by: vudu on September 20, 2005, 11:36:45 AM
QuoteJim Merrick Takes Control
My concern with the Rev is exactly that Nintendo won't be making a product for me. This non-gamer bullsh!t is getting priority over me, a longtime supporter and fan.
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Eurogamer: There's been a lot of talk about expanding the gaming audience and creating games for the whole family. Does that mean you're leaving Sony and Microsoft to take care of the hardcore?
Jim Merrick: Not at all. We know we have two audiences to reach - one is the expanding audience, new consumers or people who used to play games but have since quit. But we can't only embrace that audience. We have to recognise the people who put us on the map, and make sure we continue create games for them.
Post by: stevey on September 20, 2005, 11:41:14 AM
G4 is loving the rev controller! yes loving! and yes G4! and no I'm not lieing Ian seen to be the only one hateing the rev controller and most of his resone he make up in his head and is wrong. just go with revolution stop living in the past the past is dead!
Post by: Caliban on September 20, 2005, 12:59:57 PM
Ian, the reason nintendo might be insisting on the wi-fi is very clear. Imagine this (note: anything you read after this is pure fiction appliable in reality but it is not my reality), I have a NDS and therefore when it's online features are ignited I will want to use them but I don't have a wireless router and I don't want to go through any hassle of getting one because I'm not tech savvy at all. Now, it would seem to me that Nintendo is simplifying my life, I buy the usb adapter, plug it in and voila. later in time the REV comes out and I also buy it, oh who would've thought that Nintendo made my life easy and once I get home the console will be online enabled. Of course I skipped some steps but I think you might know what I'm trying to say. and if you didn't understand I will give two examples, X-Box LIVE or PS Online.
Post by: Ian Sane on September 20, 2005, 01:27:22 PM
That's just PR speak until I see otherwise. Nintendo said the same thing about the DS. Now they're making more traditional games too but for the first six months there were no games released designed for the existing gamer audience. They now have Kirby and Advance Wars but there was a long time before those came around and Nintendogs is getting far more attention from Nintendo.
If Nintendo had the kind of healthy third party support they're supposed to have then it wouldn't matter so much but for the last two generations owning a Nintendo console means having a handful of games a year you really like and not much else. By targeting non-gamers Nintendo's resources are split up. They're not going to make as many games for existing gamers a year.
Let's say right now Nintendo releases 8 games for a console a year all of which are for existing gamers. Nobody likes everything so let's say you like 4 or 5 of them. But now Nintendo is dedicating all this time to non-gamers so now only 4 (or maybe less) games come out for existing gamers a year. And you're not going to like all of them so there might be only 1 or 2 of them you want. Third party support is weak as hell so you're probably only going to be able find one or two really good third party games a year if you're lucky.
By dedicating efforts to two groups Nintendo is basically taking a release schedule that was already pretty slim and cutting it in half. And that's if it's 50-50. Plus Nintendo said they were going to target mature gamers too and all they did was give us a few mature games and thought that was good enough. If Nintendo isn't interested in something they do the bare minimum. If existing gamers is not their focus (and it isn't or they wouldn't have a remote) then we're going to get scraps.
I haven't bought one first party Nintendo Cube game all year and we're 9 months in and right now practically all of Nintendo's games are designed for existing gamers. They start splitting up their resources with non-gamer junk and I could see a whole calender year go by where Nintendo releases NOTHING I want to buy.
Post by: couchmonkey on September 20, 2005, 01:43:43 PM
Post by: Rancid Planet on September 20, 2005, 09:26:25 PM
I've said it before but when it comes to the eventuality of even MORE non-gamer games being released when the Rev comes, I'm going to be saying it a lot more - I really wish Nintendo would expand their development teams and start cranking out the games by the truckload. (Don't give me the "lower quality" crap, that's why I said they should hire in more talented developers, each game could get the same quality amount of attention while upping production as to the total number of first party software released each year) It would only help Nintendo's cause. Esepecially if third party development dries up on the Rev because of the controller like it did on the N64 due to it's software format.
Nintendo have to stop thinking so frugally. Sure, they make TEH TONZ OF MONEE but as marketshare shrinks and shrinks, so will that profit margin. Nintendo should fight back. I have faith in their abilities to create outstanding software at a more frequent pace. And I also have faith that doing just that could be the key to solving many of Nintendo's problems.
Post by: Hostile Creation on September 20, 2005, 09:39:11 PM
Oh please. Nintendo is releasing more hardcore gamer games than any other developer out there and you goddamn know it. Nor will they stop doing so. Expanding your market does not in any way involve cutting out another portion of your market. Nintendo fans and dedicated gamers are a reliable and substantial source of income, so they are not going to cease making games that appeal to them.
Post by: Jhiando on September 20, 2005, 10:38:03 PM
No I just posted that to prove I've been on this forum a very long time. Frankly I dont recognize your screen name or many of the other Nintendo fanboys. IAN SANE is an old timer like myself who has been on these boards a very long time too. I posted that stuff to prove I've been here a long time and that I am not some flamer / troll baiter who came to drop a bomb and go.
>> hey, can you read my fortune too?
Where will I be in 1-2 years? What are my lucky #'s? <<
No I am not fortune telling... I am just adding my 2 cents to this discussion. I am just a gamer who IS NOT biased toward any system or company. I am not biased For or Against. IF you want a bunch of Nintendo fanboys who just spout off Ninty is # 1 !!! Ninty is so GREAT and can do no wrong ... The Revoltuion will definitely be #1 and Sony and Microsoft will lose the next round, etc etc etc. Wow that controller is perfect for FPS's etc ( that is a major laugh ! )... you might as well NOT HAVE A FORUM. You guys can just circle jerk each other to obvilion.
>> Bwahahahaha, I seriously can't wait til Revolution comes out, either these doomsayers will admit they were wrong or just plain disappear <<
AGAIN I've been on these boards a long time. Yes I would easily admit if I am wrong. I have no problem with that. BUT conversely if or as I predict WHEN the Revolution fails to catch fire... will YOU say ' hey I was wrong .... that controller really put a nail into Nintendo's coffin ' ?
>> Wait, why will the controller make Nintendo fail, again? I don't think you said, o psychic one..... Is it because the controller is too different? <<
Yup. It is too radically different. AND the fact that it will be YOUR MAIN CONTROLLER. It should have been an peripheral. The video was interesting but if you think Dentist Sims or Surgery Sims or Orchestra sims or Sword fighting sims will catch fire - I'll bet otherwise. In addition can you imagine playing endless hours on one of your favorite games with that THING ? You will be seriously tired or cramping up. There is a reason console controllers all look very similar ... because it is a perfected shape... it is optimal. The developers talk how they wanted a familar shape thus they made it into a remote control shape.... when is the last time you held a remote control more than a minute or two? Imagine holding on to one for hours on end and using it as your primary control device.
My whole post basically said The Revolution will be third again but this time it will actually lose marketshare / it lose more mainstream gamers LIKE MYSELF and not gain them like they should have been aiming to do this generation. I seriously wonder about you Nintendo fanboys who swallow up anything that Ninty produces. Yes that controller is revolutionary / radically different ... it can be a great controller ... BUT the average gamer / the mainstream are not going to for the Revolution because of that controller... they are going to be REPULSED by it. It's a freakin' remote control ! The average gamer / the mainstream dont buy consoles based on the controller.... they buy them based on the games. Nintendo had trouble attracting the mainstream gamers this generation with the Cube... it needed to attract more and more of them this generation.. Nintendo needed something to gain more gamers. Making an ackward, weird and different input device your main controller isn't a cure but another problem. The average gamer / mainstream will not be running out to buy the Revolution... they will be running away from it.
Post by: Rancid Planet on September 20, 2005, 10:50:21 PM
Post by: Hostile Creation on September 20, 2005, 11:05:41 PM
Also, "Frankly I dont recognize your screen name or many of the other Nintendo fanboys."
I've been around long since X-men 2 was even in production, at least. . . hmm. Three years? Maybe more. Probably more, in fact. Same for many of the others in the thread. Besides, seniority on some internet forum does not dictate one's intelligence and foresight.
"Wow that controller is perfect for FPS's etc (that is a major laugh!)"
You must be blind, deaf, retarded, and completely uneducated to think this control scheme doesn't provide great opportunities for FPS games.
"The video was interesting but if you think Dentist Sims or Surgery Sims or Orchestra sims or Sword fighting sims will catch fire - I'll bet otherwise."
OH SHI-- you just killed your own argument.
If the Revolution fails, how could I not admit it? Of course I will. But I think it has potential, and I think you're just blind to that.
Post by: KnowsNothing on September 21, 2005, 02:06:08 AM
"wtf nintendo fanboy! nintendo is not number one I think mario suck and I'm right because I'm older than you and work for movies and I have the brain worms."
Seriously, just because we like the Revolution doesn't make us fanboys. Besides, someone who keeps spouting off his own staggering ignorance like that is infintley worse than a fanboy because EVERYONE hates him
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 21, 2005, 03:04:18 AM
), and gives me seniority over you 
and Jean Grey didn't die @ the end of X2, she awakened Phoenix(a much much more powerful alter ego), for all of those that never read the comics or watched the cartoon
p.s. with the shell, which should be packed in as an optional peripheral, you can use the the system to play your standard graphically upgraded games of last gen with the same controls that you have grown accustomed to over the last 5-10 years. So that shouldn't be a problem, OK? alrighty then...
Post by: Artimus on September 21, 2005, 04:13:03 AM
And btw, just watch in X3 there will be A CHASE SCENE!
Post by: Ian Sane on September 21, 2005, 08:01:31 AM
This arguement, which I see a lot, makes no sense. Is Nintendo going to make all their games work with both controllers? No. Zelda's going to use one or the other. Mario's going to use one or the other. It's not as simple as "well you can play it the old way if you want to". The games have to be designed the "old way". Otherwise it's like playing Jungle Beat with the controller. It's doable but that game was designed for the bongos so playing it with the controller isn't going to make it play like Donkey Kong Country.
The shell will only be useful if Nintendo treats it like part of the standard controller. The remote plus the shell has to be the standard controller. The idea should be that they come apart but the "standard" is the two of them together. If the shell is just treated like some accessory used for SNES/N64 games and multiplatform ports that's ALL it will be used for. The shell and the remote should both be considered essential parts of the controller.
I agree with Jhiando in that the remote by itself will probably scare away people more than anything. But when I saw the DS launch lineup I figured the DS would be in clearance bins by now so I'm not making any hard predicitions.
Post by: Hostile Creation on September 21, 2005, 08:04:19 AM
Edited for retarded grammar.
Post by: Stimutacs Addict on September 21, 2005, 08:12:43 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on September 21, 2005, 08:33:56 AM
I'm not going to use that as definitive proof but it's the same thing.
Post by: Hostile Creation on September 21, 2005, 08:49:45 AM
I think if most people are told, especially given some encouragement to accept it and a description of some possibilities, they'll be at least willing to give it an optimistic try. Which is enough, if Nintendo makes it properly.
Post by: mantidor on September 21, 2005, 09:03:53 AM
Hostile: Hey look at this new neat idea Nintendo had for a controller.
person1: a TV remote?
Hostile: yeah but it works like a 3D mouse in space, it offers so many different gameplay posiblities
*further explanation*
person1: sounds intersting
Ian: wtf? have you seen the retarded idea Nintendo had for a controller?
person2: what is it?
Ian: its a damn remote!!, it will alienate third party devs!, it looks like just a gimmick! it... *continues rants*
person2: sounds awful
Seriously, I dont believe Ian one word, I cant even comprehend people being scared by a remote, you know, its a damn remote! I cant think of anyone who wont pick this up and try it at least once.
Post by: Ian Sane on September 21, 2005, 09:07:45 AM
I went to them and said "hey what do you think of this? It's the new controller Nintendo is planning on using for their next system." And then showed them a picture of it. I showed the trailer to a few people too. I tried to approach it neutrally because I wanted to see what others thought.
My Mom is not a gamer at all and thus a perfect example of non-gamer. So I asked her which controller she would rather use: the remote or the Cube controller. She picked the Cube controller. She felt it would be more comfortable to hold. She also felt that the Cube controller better distributes the weight because it require both hands.
My brother is the other group Nintendo is targetting. He used to play games but lost interest as things got more complicated. He didn't like it at all. I showed him the trailer to try to give him some ideas on how it can be used and he still hated it. I showed him IGN's mockup of the shell and he said "THAT should be the controller, the remote should be an extra thing for only a few games."
Everyone else I talked to are existing gamers and opinion ranged from concern over how the public will accept it to "that's the stupidest thing I've ever seen."
Post by: Artimus on September 21, 2005, 09:26:30 AM
1. Does your mom want to play games with the Gamecube?
2. Does your brother want to play games with the shell?
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 21, 2005, 09:31:40 AM
(Canadians just fail at understanding innovation I guess
)On my side, I've asked a half-dozen people their thoughts on it...My sister (basically a non-gamer), a friend (Nintendo gamer non-fanboy), two roomies (one a PC gamer, the other an XBoxer), cousin (basically a non-gamer), and dad (epitome of a non-gamer)...Every single one was skeptical at first when watching the teaser until I explained to them just what was going on...Each one of them was interested/excited in what Ninty would do with it...
Post by: couchmonkey on September 21, 2005, 09:51:51 AM
Players will not be able to appreciate the Revolution until they can actually play it. Some will "get it" before then, especially if some really good demo movies come out, but the proof will be in actually playing with it. Ian, your examples are perfect. Your mom held a Gamecube controller and compared it to a picture. She needs to hold a Revolution controller to appreciate it. Your brother thinks it looks silly, but he also thinks current games are too complicated, so the controller he describes (Wavebird + pointer) wouldn't sell him on a Rev anyway.
First impressions, you say? They need to want to play it, you say? This may be true, but the only people that have heard about the system so far are gaming nerds and their close friends and family. By the time everyone else hears about it and forms a lasting impression, Nintendo will have shown games and will be marketing the system, and those will make it look much more attractive than a plain picture of a controller.
Post by: pudu on September 21, 2005, 10:15:00 AM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
They say "seeing is believing," but feeling is everything...
(Canadians just fail at understanding innovation I guess
On my side, I've asked a half-dozen people their thoughts on it...My sister (basically a non-gamer), a friend (Nintendo gamer non-fanboy), two roomies (one a PC gamer, the other an XBoxer), cousin (basically a non-gamer), and dad (epitome of a non-gamer)...Every single one was skeptical at first when watching the teaser until I explained to them just what was going on...Each one of them was interested/excited in what Ninty would do with it...
The problem is the second you start to explain it your enthusiasm for it is going to be apparent to the people you are showing it to (regardless of whether or not you mean to). lol this may be why Ian's had different reactions.
Post by: Ian Sane on September 21, 2005, 10:48:19 AM
2. Does your brother want to play games with the shell?"
No and no. But wasn't this Nintendo's plan? To get these types of people playing games? It's just circumstantial evidence but these two examples are EXACTLY who Nintendo wants to buy the Rev.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 21, 2005, 11:30:53 AM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
"1. Does your mom want to play games with the Gamecube?
2. Does your brother want to play games with the shell?"
No and no. But wasn't this Nintendo's plan? To get these types of people playing games? It's just circumstantial evidence but these two examples are EXACTLY who Nintendo wants to buy the Rev.
Sounds to me that they are afraid of change, c'mon and step into the light...
Its warm and inviting... Everything is good in the light, change will not hurt, change is good...
Join us, and we will show the benifits of change... [/brainwash]
Post by: stevey on September 21, 2005, 11:41:11 AM
THE REVOLUTION CONTROLLER IS HERE!
IT A REMOTE!
GET USED TO IT!
we all have why not you? I went into 5 stage when I frist saw it. 1 WTF 2 nintendo lost it's mind 3 **** I not buying a revolution 4 O_o 5 ohhh! it teh rock!!! yeah long live IWATA!!!. you stunk in #3
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 21, 2005, 11:50:57 AM
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Originally posted by: stevey
WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU IAN
THE REVOLUTION CONTROLLER IS HERE!
IT A REMOTE!
GET USED TO IT!
we all have why not you? I went into 5 stage when I frist saw it. 1 WTF 2 nintendo lost it's mind 3 **** I not buying a revolution 4 O_o(BRAINWASH) 5 ohhh! it teh rock!!! yeah long live IWATA!!!
welcome to the light stevey, change is right this way...
Post by: Caliban on September 21, 2005, 01:37:47 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion(Canadians just fail at understanding innovation I guess
Hey hey, don't make me start a "Buster Call" on you! (only One Piece fans will know what this is)
Now on topic, I've received different reactions about the new controller however they were not very informed about how it works. One person, which works with me, said "it looks yag(read this word bacwards please)" but he still looked somewhat undecided so I just told him to go to ign and watch the trailer and read what they got there. Others I work with had similar reactions.
This confusion and "wtf?" reactions is pretty normal. It happens every time a new product, from any industry, is introduced to the masses.
Post by: Renny on September 21, 2005, 02:34:13 PM
Post by: ShyGuy on September 21, 2005, 07:04:10 PM
First one was a girl age 21, Nintendo fan. her reaction was: "woah, woah, woah, woah"
Second was a girl age 22, casual gamer. she liked it, but hasn't been playing much games lately, thinks her boyfriend will get PS3 cause he bought the first two sony consoles.
Third one was a 40 something male, not much of a gamer, but likes technology, he was impressed and thought how with a camera you could have a shootout between 2 people in their living rooms through the televesion.
Fourth was my sister age 22, she likes animal crossing and monkey ball, she liked it, asked if I was going to give her my gamecube when I get the Revolution.
Fifth was a 23 year old male, plays a lot of videogames but not really hardcore. You know the type. What do we call these guys? softcore? He once said, and I quote: "And it's from EA so you know it's good." He didn't like it, thought it looked too much like work.
Post by: Hostile Creation on September 21, 2005, 07:22:18 PM
Post by: mantidor on September 21, 2005, 08:09:47 PM
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Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1Quote
Originally posted by: stevey
WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU IAN
THE REVOLUTION CONTROLLER IS HERE!
IT A REMOTE!
GET USED TO IT!
we all have why not you? I went into 5 stage when I frist saw it. 1 WTF 2 nintendo lost it's mind 3 **** I not buying a revolution 4 O_o(BRAINWASH) 5 ohhh! it teh rock!!! yeah long live IWATA!!!
welcome to the light stevey, change is right this way...
LOL
I still think shaping it as a remote is the most brilliant idea ever, is basically the only electronic device that absolutely everyone uses, I cannot imagine for the life of me how Ian's mom is scared by a remote, specially one that looks so simple. People will pick it up in a demo store or by watching us the Nintendo freaks palying with it, and if the software delivers (which I really doubt it wont), there would be a Rev sold, I cannot se that not happening.
Post by: IceCold on September 21, 2005, 09:21:54 PM
QuoteIs that so? I was under the impression that the invention of the telephone was an innovation, but I must be horribly wrong
Originally posted by: Bill Aurion(Canadians just fail at understanding innovation I guess
I haven't asked my Mum or Dad about the controller yet, but I do know that my dad never played video games after the NES era, but when he played my DS he loved it. But I expect that they too will be confused with it, and I'll have to explain how it works and show them the demo. That's how it is with this controller; you can't understand it by just looking at it, or for that matter, even knowing that it uses motion sensing.
As for gamers, well, I've asked 3 of them - my brother, and two friends. My brother and one friend really liked the idea, but wondered how it could be used for some genres that would be difficult to implement it. The other friend wanted one or two more face buttons near the big A button, and he thought it might be quite uncomfortable to hold the analogue stick in one hand while the remote was in the other, because it wouldn't feel fixed or solid. Also, he felt it was too angular and needed to be more curved so it would fit better. BUt he also felt that it could be great for many genres if implemented well.
I think the recurring theme is that you need to experience and feel it before you can pass judgement on how it plays. There really needs to be a big promotion with demo kiosks all around so that people can try it out, and even in-store somehow. Could be done by attaching the controller to a string (it won't need to be that long) but they really need to let people try it out.
Post by: Rancid Planet on September 21, 2005, 09:39:55 PM
And I can't say that I blame them. This thing needs a rechargable battery just like the DS and the SP in the wost way. Complete with the battery cover that is screwed down into the unit.
I mean have you ever dropped your remote control? You know what happens sometimes. The battery lid pops off and then you have to get on your hands and knees searching for AA batteries on the carpet in a dark room and then bump my head really hard on the bedside table...ahem.
Anyway, yeah. Standard batteries are TEH BLOWZ!
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So ... how bad do you think the Mad Catz version will be?
Well I took a second to think about your question and my nose started to bleed...Good enough answer for you?
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Rancid Planet: You crack me up man...keep up the good work!
I'll keep writin' them, you keep readin' them. [/Stan Lee]
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