Post by: NRevolutionR on August 17, 2005, 01:45:29 PM
Ok, according to Nintendo's own statements about great upcoming DS games, Hunters is nowhere to be found. This leads me to believe that they have delayed it, and hopefully, they will be adding a/the much needed online mode.
Note: Metroid Pinball is still scheduled for October.
Post by: Artimus on August 17, 2005, 02:18:08 PM
Post by: stevey on August 17, 2005, 03:16:04 PM
Post by: hudsonhawk on August 18, 2005, 05:32:41 AM
I'm surprised no one noticed this gem from last week's IGN Mailbag:
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Hi Craig all I wanna know is if Nintendogs, Metroid Prime Hunters are both coming out August 22? I'm wondering this because I get a Game Informer magazine every month and it says in that Metroid is coming out in October, and the release date on ign says August 22. Well I dont know what to beleive but I trust you guys more. Help Craig im DESPERATE!
Forrest
Metroid: no way in heck is it going to be an August 22nd release, so we're just going to have to fix that entry in our database. It might not even make an October release, either. Stay tuned on that front, there may be some interesting news to report about that game.
-- Craig
Post by: Pale on August 18, 2005, 07:42:03 AM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 18, 2005, 08:12:16 AM
ANd I do remember hearing about a delay a little while ago and it was rumored/hoped that they did it to add in the much needed yet mysteriously missing internet/wifi capabilities that were supposedly "very easy to incorporate once the tools are available"
Post by: hudsonhawk on August 18, 2005, 08:15:19 AM
There's plenty of online love coming, no doubt a lot of shooters as well. Not every game needs to use every feature.
More likely, if it's delayed it's because it's not very good, not because they want to rework the multiplayer infrastructure to use the online model.
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 18, 2005, 08:22:39 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on August 18, 2005, 08:44:37 AM
How is adding online play to a game designed specifically with multiplayer in mind that requires each person to have their own screen and link multiple systems together "shoehorning"? What's the difference in terms of gameplay between linking with a DS player in the same room and one across the country? This isn't like adding multiplayer to Metroid Prime 2. This is a game that pretty much demands the inclusion of online play. Hell, practically EVERY DS game that has multiplayer should be online. Everyone has to have their own system to play anyway so why not?
Post by: Pale on August 18, 2005, 09:00:20 AM
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Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
Actually I beleive that quote is from the ign.DS channel, as it addressed to Craig not Matt.
ANd I do remember hearing about a delay a little while ago and it was rumored/hoped that they did it to add in the much needed yet mysteriously missing internet/wifi capabilities that were supposedly "very easy to incorporate once the tools are available"
I stand corrected....
change that to "Looks like the asses over at IGN are really trying to drum up hits this week."
Post by: vudu on August 18, 2005, 09:44:20 AM
I'll waste you in Hunters.
Post by: hudsonhawk on August 18, 2005, 09:45:59 AM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
How is adding online play to a game designed specifically with multiplayer in mind that requires each person to have their own screen and link multiple systems together "shoehorning"? What's the difference in terms of gameplay between linking with a DS player in the same room and one across the country? This isn't like adding multiplayer to Metroid Prime 2. This is a game that pretty much demands the inclusion of online play. Hell, practically EVERY DS game that has multiplayer should be online. Everyone has to have their own system to play anyway so why not?
Because the game was so far in development by the time the online plans were complete is why not. The engineers said so themselves; to add online to the game would entail throwing out the underlying infrastructure completely and starting from scratch.
We're not talking about adding a new costume here, we're talking about a change that would delay the game by a sizeable amount.
The DS needs A-list titles right now too desperately to move something back just because people think every game needs to use every feature. A delay of that magnitude would cause more harm to the system than excluding online would.
I agree, going forward, all the multiplayer games should have online. That's my blue sky. MP: Hunters 2? Throw it in there. Actually, that makes me realize - this is exactly the same thing as Halo and Halo 2. MS hadn't finished the Xbox: live APIs in time for Bungie to fit them into the game. Instead delaying it to throw in some cheap, thin online component, they released the game with local multiplayer only and concentrated on a deep, full-featured, smooth-running online mode for the 2nd one.
Getting Halo out in the launch window sold a lot of Xboxes; getting MP:H out by Christmas would do the same for the DS.
Post by: Ian Sane on August 18, 2005, 09:51:30 AM
When Nintendo releases something that I feel is worth owning a DS for. Metroid Prime Hunters isn't it by the way. I personally have no desire to ever buy that game. I just feel that it would be dumb to release a high profile offline title that is so obviously suited for online play after online DS games are already on the market. Once Mario Kart and Animal Crossing are out with online play people are going to expect that to be common place. Releasing an offline multiplayer DS game would be like Konami releasing two player TMNT games.
Post by: KDR_11k on August 18, 2005, 10:18:45 AM
The engineers did NOT say the underlying system is flawed (how can it? The internet is just a large network, why should it differ from normal network gaming?), they merely said the online infrastructure will not be ready by the time MPH is released (kinda like how Halo can be tunnelled without problems but doesn't support online natively because XBox Live didn't exist back then). Now Nintendo is delaying it to make sure the infrastructure is in place and online works.
BTW, there's a neat trailer at NoE's VIP (users with registered Nintendo stuff*) section that shows the game in action from the perspectives of not just Samus but other hunters as well. They all have their own heads down display**.
*=I think it's stupid to make promo material members-only but maybe the marketing idio^H^H^H^Hgenii at NoE know better...
**= Reminds me, Earthsiege 2 had one of those and you controlled it with the mouse so there were games benefitting from two screens with the lower being a touchscreen even before the DS.
Post by: couchmonkey on August 18, 2005, 10:30:07 AM
As with Twighlight Princess, I'm glad to see that Nintendo has started delaying products in the name of quality again. I agree the system needs new games badly, but it needs games badly right now, not in October. By that time North America will have about 15-20 new games including Mario Kart, Nintendogs, and Castlevania.
Post by: hudsonhawk on August 18, 2005, 10:34:26 AM
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IGN: With multiplayer being Metroid Prime Hunter's focus, and Nintendo's stance on going online with its Nintendo DS software, what can you tell us about the possibility of this game going online?
Kensuke Tanabe: Unfortunately, the game won't support the multiplayer internet function of the Nintendo DS. To do it, it's not that easy and we'd have to build the infrastructure for it to work properly. The timing of the game release and the building of the infrastructure just didn't match. So while it won't be online, multiplayer will still be very very fun.
In retrospect, perhaps what he means by this is the server-side infrastructure. Matchmaking service, the game game hosting, etc.
Still, not worth pushing back the game for, imho.
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Originally posted by: Ian SaneI personally have no desire to ever buy that game.
I love how that doesn't stop you from bitching and moaning about it.
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 18, 2005, 10:38:25 AM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
"Ian Sane - When are you going to get around to picking up a DS?"
When Nintendo releases something that I feel is worth owning a DS for. Metroid Prime Hunters isn't it by the way. I personally have no desire to ever buy that game. I just feel that it would be dumb to release a high profile offline title that is so obviously suited for online play after online DS games are already on the market. Once Mario Kart and Animal Crossing are out with online play people are going to expect that to be common place. Releasing an offline multiplayer DS game would be like Konami releasing two player TMNT games.
Oh, please...Kirby is well worth the price of admission...I've told you this before, too!
Post by: Ian Sane on August 18, 2005, 10:43:48 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 18, 2005, 10:47:16 AM
Post by: vudu on August 18, 2005, 12:21:23 PM
QuoteKirby, Meteos and Advance Wars DS. There are three reasons. Plus it's $20 cheaper now. You can't go wrong with that.
"Ian Sane - When are you going to get around to picking up a DS?"
When Nintendo releases something that I feel is worth owning a DS for.
Post by: stevey on August 18, 2005, 01:19:21 PM
Planet GameCube News Article: Metroid Pinball DS, Metroid Prime: Hunters Delay and there no online play
Post by: mantidor on August 18, 2005, 04:59:39 PM
Post by: kirby_killer_dedede on August 19, 2005, 04:10:43 AM
Read the N-Sider E3 special.
You will wet yourself.
Guaranteed.
Post by: KDR_11k on August 19, 2005, 09:48:38 AM
NoE was smart enough to put up exacly one DS running the E3 2005 (or 6?) demo of Hunters. Noone played it because they didn't get past the "waiting for other players" screen. Did I mention it didn't even broadcast the game for singlecart games?
Post by: hudsonhawk on August 19, 2005, 11:36:12 AM
If they are delaying it, hopefully it's so they can flesh out the single player mode.
It would look bad though. They made a statement by including that demo with the system: "Look what we have in store, just around the corner!*"
*and by just around the corner we mean in a year and a half.
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 19, 2005, 12:04:20 PM
Except people said it was a blast to play at E3...
Post by: Blackknight131 on August 19, 2005, 06:07:53 PM
Wonder when Nintendo will deliver on that promise (the blue is nice, but their are other nice ones that are ready to make it over here).
Europe is getting blue and pink...that pink color (or at least the white) would be a nice little partner for the likely onslaught that will be Nintendogs.
Post by: Blackknight131 on August 19, 2005, 06:12:27 PM
It should be online....its been three months since E3, their engine is pretty much ready to go. They are either working on a)fleshing out the single player as far as they can, b)utilizing Nintendo WiFi Connection infrastructure or c)inventing myriad Metroid-themed minigames. The game will not be going gold until next month at the earliest as well....so four months since the healthy demo they showed at E3 (and ComicCon, where I played it.)
If expanding a game's multiplayer aspect to go online is as relatively simple as was commented...at least 4 months...I really hope so.
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 22, 2005, 12:13:09 PM
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Q1 2006: Metroid Prime Hunters from Nintendo
Looks like online is being added afterall...
(Oh right, the source)
Post by: MrMojoRising on August 22, 2005, 12:35:09 PM
Post by: hudsonhawk on August 22, 2005, 12:35:45 PM
Edit: Jinx.
Post by: Hostile Creation on August 22, 2005, 12:47:37 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 22, 2005, 01:06:25 PM
Post by: Artimus on August 22, 2005, 03:38:41 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 22, 2005, 04:01:26 PM
Post by: Stimutacs Addict on August 22, 2005, 05:18:03 PM
Nintendo needs to stop promising us titles that they know they can't feasibly finish on time blah blah
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... i myself am happy,,, that title needed to be online.
now if the new Supermario bros doesnt come out this year im going to cry
ps- they HAVE to announce some Revo details now!
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 22, 2005, 05:25:11 PM
Post by: Artimus on August 22, 2005, 05:56:20 PM
Nintendogs
Advance Wars
Lunar
Phoenix Wright
Trauma Center
Mario kart
Mario and Luigi
Viewtiful Joe
Animal Crossing
Castlevania
Post by: MrMojoRising on August 22, 2005, 08:18:11 PM
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Originally posted by: Artimus
How can anyone be disappointed in the game selection!?
Nintendogs
Advance Wars
Lunar
Phoenix Wright
Trauma Center
Mario kart
Mario and Luigi
Viewtiful Joe
Animal Crossing
Castlevania
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Sony Fanboy said
WTF? no GtA? teH DS is clearly for kidz! those games are poop!
Post by: IceCold on August 25, 2005, 08:14:48 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on August 25, 2005, 08:56:37 PM
