Gaming Forums => General Gaming => Topic started by: Ian Sane on July 22, 2005, 02:12:54 PM
Title: Hot Coffee decision already affecting other games
Post by: Ian Sane on July 22, 2005, 02:12:54 PM
To the surprise of probably nobody one of the lawyers involved in nailing Rockstar for the San Andreas Hot Coffee mod has another target. Believe it or not it's The Sims 2.
He's complaining that mods can allow for The Sims nudity to be uncensored and since there are chlidren in the game it can be turned into a pedophilia simulator. EA claims that without the blurring the Sims have no private parts. They look like a naked Barbie. If they're telling the truth this hopefully won't amount to anything but it pisses me off just the same.
It hasn't even been a week since the ESRB changed San Andreas' rating and already the precedence it set is affecting other games. A publisher is now responsible for stuff that other people can do to their games. This is scary stuff.
I'll bet DOA will get nailed next as the female characters have nipples and nude hacks are pretty common.
Title: RE: Hot Coffee decision already affecting other games
Post by: KnowsNothing on July 22, 2005, 02:34:03 PM
Metroid should be AO since Samus has boobs. The bust of her suit is clearly enlarged to fit her oversized and sexually charged bosom, teaching kids that's okay to become an exhibitionist, and that it could lead to great interalactic adventures lol lactic adventures
lol boobs
Title: RE: Hot Coffee decision already affecting other games
Post by: ShyGuy on July 22, 2005, 02:47:38 PM
Wait a sec... I could draw dirty pictures in Pictochat! Nintendo DS is for teh matoor Adults Only!
Title: RE: Hot Coffee decision already affecting other games
Post by: Bill Aurion on July 22, 2005, 02:52:06 PM
If other people can mod it by altering the graphics themselves, big deal...It should only matter when the devs put the material in the games themselves...
Title: RE: Hot Coffee decision already affecting other games
Post by: Deguello on July 22, 2005, 02:52:52 PM
Good Lord why The Sims? Aren't there a bunch of EASIER targets?
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Post by: Ms.Pikmin on July 22, 2005, 02:55:31 PM
Quote Originally posted by: KnowsNothing that it could lead to great interalactic adventures lol lactic adventures lol boobs
No props for you, mister. Oh, wai...
Title: RE: Hot Coffee decision already affecting other games
Post by: KnowsNothing on July 22, 2005, 03:34:13 PM
Yes, mama, I'll get the soap.... ;__;
Title: RE: Hot Coffee decision already affecting other games
Post by: slacker on July 22, 2005, 03:50:12 PM
Let the flood gates open. This is exactly what will happen if the ESRB cave in to pressure. Now these folks are going after amost every game that were altered by outside forces that don't meet their standard of moral approval. Its their MO, and unless the ESRB or the big game companies under attack don't fight back, violent games will now be rated as AO instead of M. I don't see why game companies don't fight back. The facts are on their side. I'm sure the Supreme Court will back them up on this. Its not like these games are obscene.
Title: RE:Hot Coffee decision already affecting other games
Post by: nickmitch on July 22, 2005, 05:26:32 PM
EA and the ESRB, wait a sec, am I about to side with EA?!?, should fight back and hold their ground. People are just being stupid. Crap, I'm defending EA. The Sims were just digital Barbie dolls anyway, so the fact that they have no genitalia is further proof of that. Anyhoo, any 2 year old can disrobe a Barbie. But what 11 year old will go through the trouble of putting in a code to see nothing?!?
Title: RE: Hot Coffee decision already affecting other games
Post by: stevey on July 22, 2005, 05:37:01 PM
"'ll bet DOA will get nailed next as the female characters have nipples and nude hacks are pretty common. "
No they sue when ever anyone make nude skin.
"He's complaining that mods can allow for The Sims nudity to be uncensored and since there are chlidren in the game it can be turned into a pedophilia simulator"
ahhhhhh! my eyes they burn!
"This is exactly what will happen if the ESRB cave in to pressure"
They not cavin in the fight in back. What they need to do is to band rocstar from ever making game.
Title: RE:Hot Coffee decision already affecting other games
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on July 22, 2005, 05:45:15 PM
My stance is this: Publisher/developers are responsible if the code is in the disc even if its not intentional it is still in the software product as unused code. And also I think retailers should really pay more attention if a minor is buying M game with out parental knowledge just because all of this B$ wont be happening.
Title: RE: Hot Coffee decision already affecting other games
Post by: KDR_11k on July 22, 2005, 09:11:13 PM
That guy is Jackass Thompson, an idiot on par with the PNAC guys that wants to see a "Columbine times ten" to get anti-game legislation passed. Kinda like how Nero burned Rome in order to have a reason for hunting down Christians or Hitler burned the Reichstag to get his "Verordnung zum Schutz von Volk und Staat" passed.
The uncensor hack is trivial and can be done with a text editor, getting realistic nude skins is a completely different matter but Hot Coffee didn't include nudity OOTB either.
Can't blame EA for "nude" Sims, what were they supposed to do, add bathing suits or the ever-popular towels (Love Hina anyone?) when the characters take a bath? They are already blurring out the areas and made them just detailled enough for the blur to look realistic, nothing more. Thompson claims the Sims run around naked with fully detailled sexual organs. I don't know what kind of mutant he is but humans don't look like Barbie dolls when they're undressed, there's a bit more under that clothing.
stevey: Tecmo retracted the lawsuit against ninjahackers.
Title: RE: Hot Coffee decision already affecting other games
Post by: Spak-Spang on July 23, 2005, 06:10:02 AM
What is funny is the guy got the information from us. When we started complaining on the message boards about GTA and Hot Coffee we mentioned the fact about EA's SIMS.
Thompson probably doesn't understand that the nude Sims are hacks and patches. He probably doesn't understand that Game Developers can do very little to prevent that from happening. Its just changing out graphic models.
This is just the Pendlium swinging the other direction. We believed that we were finally making grounds with games becoming mainstream and viewed as a legit entertainment for adults and kids...however it never was true. And we actually have game developers to blame. They weren't making mature games. They were making games with graphic content.
Games that I actually view as mature games are games that don't rely on the violence. They find another way to represent it, or leave it out...but still try to find a good story. Also games that glorify illegal activity aren't mature they are almost always immature, thug games.
Until the industry takes a good long look at itself and decides to truly change then we will continue to have this problem.
Title: RE: Hot Coffee decision already affecting other games
Post by: stevey on July 23, 2005, 08:33:21 AM
"What is funny is the guy got the information from us. When we started complaining on the message boards about GTA and Hot Coffee we mentioned the fact about EA's SIMS." "Shut up! They might be lisening."
I TOLD YOU SO! You made fun of my tin foil hat but I was right about the government. O_O
Title: RE: Hot Coffee decision already affecting other games
Post by: KDR_11k on July 23, 2005, 09:08:38 AM
Thompson is malicious, I don't doubt he knows that he's talking bullshit, he's lying to stir up the masses. That guy's a terrorist, intent on provoking fears and hurting our rights. Off to Guantanamo with that evildoer!
Spak-Spang: The "mature" rating is only called like that because they couldn't find a better label for 18+ that does not suggest pornographic content and the MPAA didn't let the ESRB use the same labelling scheme. Hollywood movies are not mature either but I don't see people complaining anymore. Ignore Jackass Thompson, you could just as well listen to some UFO-freak about "what the mainstream thinks".
Title: RE: Hot Coffee decision already affecting other games
Post by: ThePerm on July 24, 2005, 10:22:56 AM
oh man have i draw naked graphic stuff in pictochat lol
Title: RE: Hot Coffee decision already affecting other games
Post by: mantidor on July 24, 2005, 01:37:57 PM
The things he talks about pedophilia because kids can be seen naked is creepy stuff and makes me wonder what kind of person he is to come up with that.
Personally I find the pixelation of a naked baby or kid to be more disturbing that no pixelation... seriously, is a damn baby!! why put the pixelation there? to not get some people "excited" or what? thats pretty disturbing. There really shouldnt be a need to put pixelation with a naked baby... or a little girl for that matter...
Title: RE: Hot Coffee decision already affecting other games
Post by: KDR_11k on July 24, 2005, 08:49:08 PM
He's evil, plain andsimple. A parasite trying to make money by commiting unethical actions.
Title: RE: Hot Coffee decision already affecting other games
Post by: couchmonkey on July 25, 2005, 10:01:07 AM
I don't doubt that the ESRB and EA will fight back on this one, as there's really no way around this sort of thing without changing the concepts of the Sims. And really, if there are some sick people out there enacting pedophillic acts with their Sims, wouldn't we rather have them doing that then running around looking for real victims?
Title: RE: Hot Coffee decision already affecting other games
Post by: stevey on July 25, 2005, 04:04:43 PM
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Title: RE: Hot Coffee decision already affecting other games
Post by: mantidor on July 25, 2005, 05:18:52 PM
thats Japan and their freaky otaku culture for you
Title: RE: Hot Coffee decision already affecting other games
Post by: nickmitch on July 25, 2005, 07:18:38 PM
I'd like a Taki from SC mouse pad better,
Title: RE: Hot Coffee decision already affecting other games
Post by: KDR_11k on July 25, 2005, 08:31:55 PM
Sheesh, I wonder when they'll make a Kasumi blow-up doll? Or imagine what Itagaki's home would look like when androids are invented... Tons of nude DoA girls!
Maybe the next DOAXBV will feature tentacles and "hot coffee"...
Title: RE:Hot Coffee decision already affecting other games
Post by: Gamebasher on July 26, 2005, 07:00:57 AM
Sonic is nude too! As is most of his friends...
Common, this whole thing is careening out of control!
They have to define what is explicitly pornographic and which is not. Otherwise Donald Duck is illegal too!
Title: RE: Hot Coffee decision already affecting other games
Post by: KDR_11k on July 26, 2005, 07:39:02 AM
Sonic is only interesting to furries and even they prefer Tails.
Seen on Slashdot: Rumour has it that, with the right modifications, Jack Thompson can be naked. A penis and exposed ass are both visible when this mod is applied, and the makers of Jack Thompson released him to the world in full knowledge that he can be naked.
Title: RE: Hot Coffee decision already affecting other games
Post by: vudu on July 26, 2005, 08:54:51 AM
Quote I bet hes gong to after temco next for Kasumi 3D Gel Mousepad
Wow. As much as I hate to admit it, I'm really enjoying stevey lately. First he brings me that awesome 'I hate Rockstar' animation and now this.
Title: RE:Hot Coffee decision already affecting other games
Post by: ib2kool4u912 on July 26, 2005, 12:06:29 PM
Quote Originally posted by: Gamebasher They have to define what is explicitly pornographic and which is not. Otherwise Donald Duck is illegal too!
Funny you picked Donald Duck. I believe i read it was Finland who banned Donald Duck comics because he doesn't wear pants. I don't know if that's still in effect, or if it was even true to begin with.
Title: RE: Hot Coffee decision already affecting other games
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on July 26, 2005, 01:08:37 PM
I'll be making ORENJI JUUSU. Or green tea.
Title: RE:Hot Coffee decision already affecting other games
Post by: Zach on July 26, 2005, 06:29:04 PM
Quote Originally posted by: ib2kool4u912
Quote Originally posted by: Gamebasher They have to define what is explicitly pornographic and which is not. Otherwise Donald Duck is illegal too!
Funny you picked Donald Duck. I believe i read it was Finland who banned Donald Duck comics because he doesn't wear pants. I don't know if that's still in effect, or if it was even true to begin with.
LOL, my cousin's Fiance is finnish, I dont see them very often, but maybe I will have to try to remember to ask her next time I see her.
Title: RE: Hot Coffee decision already affecting other games
Post by: stevey on July 27, 2005, 11:04:58 AM
hey look kdr avatar nudeO_O! it cut off but it there all you need is a mod and there nudityO_O! Someone call Jack The Ripper Thompson!
Title: RE:Hot Coffee decision already affecting other games
Post by: Nephilim on July 28, 2005, 09:22:13 PM
"He's complaining that mods can allow for The Sims nudity to be uncensored and since there are chlidren in the game it can be turned into a pedophilia simulator."
There is a patch to make the kids have sex, welcome to 1year ago
Title: RE:Hot Coffee decision already affecting other games
Post by: Ages on July 31, 2005, 06:24:29 PM
Quote Originally posted by: KDR_11k Sheesh, I wonder when they'll make a Kasumi blow-up doll? Or imagine what Itagaki's home would look like when androids are invented... Tons of nude DoA girls!
Maybe the next DOAXBV will feature tentacles and "hot coffee"...
Title: RE: Hot Coffee decision already affecting other games
Post by: stevey on August 02, 2005, 12:42:33 PM
OH MY FICKIN GOD rockstar is doing it again! Rockstar is now making a new game called BULLY and now hippy from NY are trying to kill all video game saying that no one 18 and up in there right mind will play video game and that all M game are aimed at kid 10 to 17. Someone please stop rockstar! The hippy are singing the bannas song and I can't thank it.
Title: RE: Hot Coffee decision already affecting other games
Post by: Ian Sane on August 02, 2005, 12:56:05 PM
I thought Bully was the most blatant example of poor taste ever when it was annouced. Bullying is something that is almost exclusive to the world of minors. When you're an adult bullies more or less don't exist. Therefore I find it really irresponsible to create a game that glorifies bad things that minors themselves are involved in. Glorifying adult crime is one thing because most kids are smart enough to know you're not supposed to do it and are detached enough from that reality that they won't get involved with it. But bullying is something any kid in school is involved with even if they're just an observer. So glorifying it is extremely irresponsible because kids can easily copy what they see or get the idea that bullying is okay.
Rockstar is just screwing everyone over with their bullsh!t.
Title: RE: Hot Coffee decision already affecting other games
Post by: stevey on August 02, 2005, 01:03:47 PM
This is the wosted idea of a game since [add crappy game here] let give rockstar a big ,.l..
Title: RE: Hot Coffee decision already affecting other games
Post by: KnowsNothing on August 02, 2005, 01:28:45 PM
Quote US attorney Jack Thompson, meanwhile, appears disgusted that Bully can be pre-ordered on e-tailer websites with no age verification check. "A check of Internet web sites today reveals that Wal-Mart, GameStop, ToysRUs, and Amazon.com are all presently pre-selling the game with no questions asked as to age of the buyers," he said in a statement.
Don't you need a credit card to do this?
Title: RE: Hot Coffee decision already affecting other games
Post by: vudu on August 03, 2005, 08:49:57 AM
Quote I find it really irresponsible to create a game that glorifies bad things that minors themselves are involved in.
While I'm definately not in favor of the game, I just thought I'd point out that technically the game doesn't glorify bullying. I believe the plot revolves around a kid who is sick of being bullied so he takes revenge against the students/teachers/anyone else at his school. It teaches the lesson don't pick on kids who aren't as cool as you or else they might bring a gun to school and shoot up the place. Or something like that.
Title: RE: Hot Coffee decision already affecting other games
Post by: nickmitch on August 03, 2005, 06:48:30 PM
They're just asking for trouble on this one.
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Post by: TMW on August 04, 2005, 07:18:45 AM
...Yes, I beleive they are, TVman.
Title: RE:Hot Coffee decision already affecting other games
Post by: ThePerm on August 04, 2005, 09:06:29 AM
Rockstar should just make another lemmings
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 04, 2005, 09:25:10 AM
R*'s Bully = Columbine Interactive?
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Post by: nickmitch on August 04, 2005, 03:00:23 PM
That's the theory.
Title: RE:Hot Coffee decision already affecting other games
Post by: mantidor on August 04, 2005, 06:01:51 PM
Quote Originally posted by: ThePerm Rockstar should just make another lemmings
I think they are making one for the psp of course, again, like Okami, a game is perfectly fitted to the DS gets sony exclusive, where it wont have the success it wouldve have in a Nintendo platform. This is what happens to companies who go with sony, they go from making something as great as lemmings to something as stupid as a bullying game in this particular time in history.
*insert the "I hate Rockstar" gif*
Title: RE: Hot Coffee decision already affecting other games
Post by: stevey on August 05, 2005, 04:55:11 AM
"like Okami, a game is perfectly fitted to the DS gets sony exclusive, "
Okami at frist at TGS was not perfectly fitted for ds because the brush wasn't in it and it was never going outside of japan what happen next to turn it to a ds game on ps2 who knows.
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Post by: KDR_11k on August 06, 2005, 07:47:32 AM
hey look kdr avatar nudeO_O! it cut off but it there all you need is a mod and there nudityO_O!
Blackn~1: Heh, I remember the outrage when some mod group announced their Waco game...
Title: RE: Hot Coffee decision already affecting other games
Post by: Deguello on August 06, 2005, 11:54:58 PM
What the heck KDR? Those are some pretty elaborate clothes that chick is wearing, but she forgot her cliched high-heeled boots?
Title: RE: Hot Coffee decision already affecting other games
Post by: Bloodworth on August 07, 2005, 12:17:36 AM
I think the guy is just full of himself. The ESRB probably would have given GTA: SA an AO rating from the start if they knew about the content and thought that users could access it easily. Whether Jack Thompson made them aware of that or not doesn't mean that they're going to go around changing ratings on games that they had full disclosure on. Plus, it doesn't appear that he does much research at all before shooting e-mails out to everyone, as is evidenced by him quoting IGN, rather than checking the Killer 7 scene out for himself. I don't like this ultra-violent, sexual crazy stuff either, but I don't think there's much that's inappropriately rated, and usually the games that are questionable tend to be on the E/T line.
Title: RE: Hot Coffee decision already affecting other games
Post by: KDR_11k on August 07, 2005, 04:08:30 AM
Deg: I'm not done with it yet. And I hate high-heeled boots.
Title: RE:Hot Coffee decision already affecting other games
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 07, 2005, 11:14:01 AM
Quote Originally posted by: KDR_11k Blackn~1: Heh, I remember the outrage when some mod group announced their Waco game...
I vaguely remember them announcing somehting like that but I never payed it any attention.