Post by: Jonnyboy117 on June 24, 2005, 01:27:02 PM
A recently published article from Wired News, based on interviews at E3 last month, includes some new information on upcoming Zelda titles, including the mysterious DS incarnation of the series.
Eiji Aonuma, who is the director of Twilight Princess for GameCube and is directly handling the next handheld Zelda, spoke with Wired's Chris Kohler about the games. Aonuma mentions that he doesn't think voiced dialogue is a good fit for the Zelda series, but...
"That said, I've always felt that if we can use voice in a way that's new and unique, it could be very positive for the Zelda series. Unfortunately, we weren't able to do that in time for the E3 demo, but we do have some ideas that we're thinking about."
Several previous Zelda games have used short voice samples for various grunts and shouts, but the story has always been told through text. It seems that Aonuma may have some ideas that will change that tradition, but it doesn't look like Zelda will be going the way of Final Fantasy X any time soon.
E3 2005 brought the surprising revelation that Aonuma is working on an internally developed Zelda game for DS that is not part of the Four Swords spin-off series, as had been widely expected. However, no other information about Zelda DS was announced. In Wired's article, Aonuma does say that the game will be "primarily controlled with the system's touch screen and stylus pen."
For more comments from Aonuma and other prominent Japanese developers, check out Wired's article at the link above.
Post by: Famicom on June 24, 2005, 01:51:04 PM
Post by: Shecky on June 24, 2005, 02:11:16 PM
Post by: Shecky on June 24, 2005, 02:25:56 PM
Please, *please* buck the trend of trying to shoehorn every effin game to use the mic and touch pad.
"primarily controlled with the system's touch screen and stylus pen." makes it sound like you'll still have to use the buttons as well. Another forsaken thought by developers... swapping between face buttons and stylus.
Post by: Ian Sane on June 24, 2005, 02:28:39 PM
Plus I'm not too keen on Nintendo making Zelda spinoffs, if that's what Zelda DS is. Four Swords Adventures was amazing. It's one of my favourite Cube games. But it didn't feel much like a Zelda game. Plus I initially loved the Mario spinoffs back in like 1992 but now I'm really sick of them. I'm bored of Mario because he's been so milked and overexposed. I don't want to become bored of Zelda. The release of a Zelda game should be an event. If it becomes routine it will lose its magic.
I'm glad he doesn't think voice acted dialogue in Zelda is a good idea.
Post by: Bill Aurion on June 24, 2005, 02:38:44 PM
That's a mighty big IF there...The fact that EAD is taking the game back in-house should lessen your worries somewhat...And it's Zelda, for crying out loud, so it'll be more than satisfactory...
Please, *please* buck the trend of trying to shoehorn every effin game to use the mic and touch pad.
Like Mario Kart and New Super Mario Brothers are? Oh wait...
"primarily controlled with the system's touch screen and stylus pen." makes it sound like you'll still have to use the buttons as well.
D-pad and L (or R if you are left-handed) button...I really don't want to hear worries about a control system with no information about it, because we have no idea what it'll be like...Again I'll say, it's FREAKING ZELDA!
Post by: stevey on June 24, 2005, 03:28:35 PM
Yes, that is really good news. If any of you seen the crapy cd-i zelda vid you too know why there sould never be much vo in zelda. *uh link hitting on zelda still give me chills a night*
Post by: mantidor on June 24, 2005, 04:19:02 PM
Post by: nickmitch on June 24, 2005, 04:30:53 PM
Having the secondary characters use giggles and grunts in their speech might be what he meant by implementing voice acting. There also might be a voice for the narration in the begining.
Post by: Bloodworth on June 24, 2005, 04:50:32 PM
Post by: TMW on June 24, 2005, 04:51:36 PM
Would make for an interesting twist on the series, to say the least.
Post by: Jonnyboy117 on June 24, 2005, 05:19:29 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 24, 2005, 05:57:30 PM
Post by: KirbySStar on June 24, 2005, 06:05:17 PM
"Ahn kralon doah tikla Dinosaur Planet anapara soo patoo."
*shudders*
Post by: Lokno on June 24, 2005, 07:40:16 PM
And I've got to say, I love this guy. Everything he says is golden. Twilight Princess is going to be amazing, because all these little justified details add up.
Post by: thepoga on June 24, 2005, 07:57:39 PM
Record what you want to say for something to take out, like bow, and it will set it to a button. It would take away a lot of the hassle of switching in between items. Of course you would be able to do it regularly, and this is an optional way, but I think it would be used a lot. I remember the annoying part of Wind Waker was when sailing, you'd have to take out that stupid sail, the wind waker, the rope thingy, and the bombs a lot. So there's a lot of switching between the items. It kind of broke the tempo sometimes. So if a button like Y was mapped as the item button, you could set it to that quickly.
Another thing I was thinking was that maybe this is the "true" sequel (or sidestory) to Wind Waker like Majora's Mask was to OOT. I would love to be able to change wind directions quickly with the stylus. Ooh I just thought of how great it would be to just say Wind Waker into the DS and have it pull it out instead of going to the menu. And then you would use the stylus to quickly do the motions. And on the boat it would be great if you could change the wind direction on the fly.
Post by: Shecky on June 24, 2005, 08:16:42 PM
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Please, *please* buck the trend of trying to shoehorn every effin game to use the mic and touch pad.
Like Mario Kart and New Super Mario Brothers are? Oh wait...
Bill... I mean _trend_ as in what seems to be a pattern in current games...
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"primarily controlled with the system's touch screen and stylus pen." makes it sound like you'll still have to use the buttons as well.
D-pad and L (or R if you are left-handed) button...I really don't want to hear worries about a control system with no information about it, because we have no idea what it'll be like...Again I'll say, it's FREAKING ZELDA!
You took that out of context. That's meant to be paired with the last sentence of my post... the point being that I have concern for another trend of using controls that mix use of buttons/stylus for the same hand during play. (ala Castlevania, as one example) Not as heavy a trend.... but existent. I'm directing my concern at these trends and not Zelda in particular.
Post by: Savior on June 24, 2005, 08:16:50 PM
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see them voicing special cut-scenes with a narrator
My guess as well. Though i still think Voice Acting can work. Ala Fable for instance, Voice for the NPCs.
The Touch Screen thing sounds odd. Maybe it means ala Mario 64 DS?
Post by: Shecky on June 24, 2005, 08:31:31 PM
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The Touch Screen thing sounds odd. Maybe it means ala Mario 64 DS?
Actually it could be a port of OoT or MM, or it could be a new game running off that engine. That would mean 3D movement giving way to Mario 64 type of controls.
I remember the annoying part of Wind Waker was when sailing, you'd have to take out that stupid sail, the wind waker, the rope thingy, and the bombs a lot. So there's a lot of switching between the items. It kind of broke the tempo sometimes. So if a button like Y was mapped as the item button, you could set it to that quickly.
WW *may* have benefited from an "on boat/off boat" configuration for items, but then again your taking away part of what may be considered fun for those types of games.
Post by: thepoga on June 24, 2005, 09:50:13 PM
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Originally posted by: Shecky
WW *may* have benefited from an "on boat/off boat" configuration for items, but then again your taking away part of what may be considered fun for those types of games.
I'm not talking about different configurations. I'm talking about easy switching between items so you wouldn't have to go to the menu screen to take out that one item for that one small purpose. But it would all be optional
Post by: Mario on June 24, 2005, 10:14:00 PM
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Aonuma does say that the game will be "primarily controlled with the system's touch screen and stylus pen."
YES! Great news! My favourite DS games are ones that I can relax and play, by putting the DS down on a desk or something and only having to use the touch screen, it's the most comfortable way to play. I like games that either ONLY use the touch screen or ONLY use buttons. Comfort is very important, I can't play Metroid Hunters for more than 15 minutes. =P
Post by: Shin Gallon on June 25, 2005, 01:10:52 AM
Post by: nemo_83 on June 25, 2005, 03:27:15 AM
It would be awesome if we could talk to the characters in the game through the microphone, but I doubt the DS could handle that. If they did that with the REV Zelda though it could work so that what you say is turned into the character's voice in the game.
Post by: Bill Aurion on June 25, 2005, 05:45:46 AM
Post by: Jonnyboy117 on June 25, 2005, 07:16:15 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on June 25, 2005, 08:45:36 AM
For item switching I think Wind Waker's problem was that the sail was an item. That didn't really make much sense. Without the boat changing items shouldn't be so bad. On the N64 for example you didn't have to constantly switch items just to move to different areas. One thing I like about Zelda is you have to pause to switch items. When I'm fighting some boss and need to switch items I want the game to pause the action. I don't want to be fumbling through a menu while the boss kicks my ass. Star Fox Adventures had real-time item selection. It was an okay idea in theory but it sucked in execution because you HAD to select items in real-time. So there were all these times where I would run away from an enemy so I could swap items without being killed. The option of pausing to switch items has to remain.
Post by: Shecky on June 25, 2005, 09:04:24 AM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
For item switching I think Wind Waker's problem was that the sail was an item. That didn't really make much sense. Without the boat changing items shouldn't be so bad. On the N64 for example you didn't have to constantly switch items just to move to different areas. One thing I like about Zelda is you have to pause to switch items. When I'm fighting some boss and need to switch items I want the game to pause the action. I don't want to be fumbling through a menu while the boss kicks my ass. Star Fox Adventures had real-time item selection. It was an okay idea in theory but it sucked in execution because you HAD to select items in real-time. So there were all these times where I would run away from an enemy so I could swap items without being killed. The option of pausing to switch items has to remain.
Agreed...
In fact they probably could have incorporated the whole sail functions into the drift button ("R" I think). Trigger click could even lock the sail so you wouldn't have to hold R the whole time.
Post by: mukanjou on June 25, 2005, 04:28:27 PM
The Al Bheid language from Final Fantasy X comes to mind.
Post by: Bill Aurion on June 25, 2005, 06:26:33 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on June 25, 2005, 09:10:38 PM
Quite a few games use the "gibberish talk" option. Zanzarah was the last one I played, I think.
Post by: Deguello on June 25, 2005, 10:27:25 PM
Post by: ruby_onix on June 26, 2005, 02:26:09 PM
Like, "Hello there" is actually "age-ee-ell-ell-oh tee-age-ee-are-ee", blurted out in under a second.
Post by: Bloodworth on June 26, 2005, 11:51:50 PM
Post by: Shecky on June 27, 2005, 07:17:08 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 28, 2005, 07:24:20 PM
There's TONS of lip movement shown, more than I recall ever seeing from the entire game of Wind Waker. The little kid, the cat lady, Horse Girl, the ambiguously-gendered fellow... there's enough lip movement to reasonably match some sort of speech.
WHAT IS NINTENDO UP TO
Post by: mantidor on June 28, 2005, 07:34:49 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 28, 2005, 07:38:25 PM
WATCH AND BELIEVE
Post by: mukanjou on July 02, 2005, 04:57:32 PM
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Ah, I thought the Hylian was just a font swap for the text of your language version.
At last I have achieved my lifelong dream of being mistaken for a Japanese person on the internet. :b
