Post by: Toruresu on June 22, 2005, 11:03:50 AM
Anyone remember the article I translated from my local newspaper about Sony firing most of its employees?
Well, here is an another article from CNN. Apparentlly they'll start doing the same thing worldwide. Will this affect their game division?
http://money.cnn.com/2005/06/22/technology/sony.reut/index.htm?cnn=yes
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on June 22, 2005, 12:43:07 PM
Post by: stevey on June 22, 2005, 03:08:03 PM
Yes! Die and go to hell and burn for the evil you have done
Post by: nickmitch on June 22, 2005, 04:00:45 PM
Post by: stevey on June 22, 2005, 04:47:16 PM
Post by: jasonditz on June 22, 2005, 07:06:00 PM
if anything I think the first step would be to pull back on the PSP hype machine. Clearly taking over the handheld market is not the walk in the park they and everyone else in the know were anticipating, and its seeming less and less likely the machine (with its dreadful tie-in ratios) is going to turn them any kind of real profit or open the door to any future revenue streams. I don't think they're going to pull the plug or anything (because that might damage the brand), but you might see a steady decline in Sony-funded exclusives, less and less real work done on it, and just an ever decreasing trickle of mediocre third party titles and other things that were far enough along in the process that it would be cheaper to finish them than to cancel them. In short, the slow death of a failed system by a company that doesn't want to admit its failure (think the last couple of years of Sega Saturn).
I wouldn't expect any significant changes to the console business though until after the PS3 launches. Depending on where Sony's other cost cutting measures sit by then, if the PS3's launch isn't overwhelming, or if its post launch lull is as dreadful as the PS2's was, you might see them pull the plug altogether and maybe try to sell the computer entertainment division or spin it off as a seperate entity.
Post by: stevey on June 23, 2005, 05:27:20 AM
Post by: Stimutacs Addict on June 23, 2005, 05:45:50 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on June 23, 2005, 05:49:39 AM
I wouldn't expect Sony to slash the Playstation division, that'd be like MS slashing the OS division. It's their main source of income.
Post by: couchmonkey on June 23, 2005, 07:45:31 AM
I think KDR is right about the games division, it's the most layoff-proof. There might be a some very small sacrifices, but it won't change much overall.
Post by: vudu on June 23, 2005, 09:14:08 AM
QuoteIf Sony keeps selling its hardware at a loss, the more PS2/PSP/PS3 units you purchase, the more Sony loses.
just because Sony makes shoddy hardware doesn't mean people will stop buying their crap
Post by: jasonditz on June 23, 2005, 09:34:04 AM
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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
I wouldn't expect Sony to slash the Playstation division, that'd be like MS slashing the OS division. It's their main source of income.
Actually their movie division is their main source of income. The games division is a profitable division that's seeing declining sales year over year, especially in Japan. Unless something major changes, they'll be lucky to do as well in games next generation as they did in this one. The PSP was supposed to be their big growth segment in the games division, but so far its just been a drag on profitabilitty.
Sony's stock has taken a beating primarily because of declining revenues, and as such it is trying to position itself for growth. In light of that fact, its not inconceivable that upper management could become disillusioned with the game division, seeing it as a saturated market where increasingly tough competition is threatening its already thin margins. So long as its profitable they're not going to just close up shop, but it wouldn't shock me to see them look to sell out of it while the value is still comparatively high.
Post by: Guitar Smasher on June 23, 2005, 10:07:02 AM
Post by: nickmitch on June 23, 2005, 10:11:15 AM
Post by: stevey on June 23, 2005, 11:21:47 AM
"shoddy" No defective Yes sony plan to sell ps3 with a broken cell cpu.
Post by: KDR_11k on June 23, 2005, 11:11:09 PM
Or do you mean "broken" as in "the inactive SPE is defective"? Well, might want to take a look at how the computer hardware market works. Perfect chips are rare, most have imperfections that would kill an entire part of the chip. Most manufacturers just disable a number of subsystems on the chip and sell it at a lower price (e.g. NVidia Geforce *600, Ati Radeon *600, Intel Celeron, AMD Duron). The problem is called the "yield rate" and it's lower for a new chip. They can get about twice as many Cells if they use only 7 of the 8 SPEs and can use ones that have one defective SPE. This is absolutely common practice and you probably have quite a few devices with damages in unused areas.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 24, 2005, 12:51:22 AM
I just got back from the bar, many, many beautiful women!!! in other words, I'm DRUNK.....
I think he is talking about the famous Sony 'make it work until the warranty runs out' manufacturing policy that they seem to have, I know quite a few people that have had thier PS1 &/or PS2 die on them. I suggested that they get it fixed through the warranty and after they checked, the warranty had expired anywhere from 1 to 4 months before .
How else could they have 60+ million systems sold? it isn't all individual owners or multi system owner, alot of it is replacement buyers.
Post by: Dasmos on June 24, 2005, 01:06:05 AM
Post by: stevey on June 24, 2005, 04:53:49 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on June 24, 2005, 04:56:49 AM
Yes because I get my paycheck for that.
Post by: Toruresu on June 24, 2005, 06:33:31 AM
Do any of you have similar local reports (like I did a month ago)? It would be interesting to track their movements in a larger scale, see how many people and from what divisions get cut off.
Post by: Djunknown on June 24, 2005, 11:50:46 AM
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KDR do you have to point out every bit of idiocy in every one of my post? do you?
That whole line is my new sig
Seriously, it might be a long slow decline for Sony. They've bumbled with the PSX, the PSP isn't pwning, the recent reshuffling, Kutaragi's talking like he's not from this earth, they're too many signs.
I'll say it again: The next gen is Sony's to lose. They can still ride out with brand recognition, but they'll have to make some smart moves once again before these missteps add up.
Post by: stevey on June 24, 2005, 12:14:40 PM
What kind of job is that? I mean who and why would one pay you for that?
Post by: nickmitch on June 24, 2005, 08:07:48 PM
But more importantly if Sony and start producing a profit then MS are the ones that are f***ed.
Post by: Zach on June 25, 2005, 07:00:02 PM
Post by: Toruresu on September 14, 2005, 08:32:49 AM
Post by: Hostile Creation on September 14, 2005, 08:51:54 AM
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KDR do you have to point out every bit of idiocy in every one of my post? do you?
Yes because I get my paycheck for that.
I hope they're paying you a lot, KDR.
Post by: stevey on September 14, 2005, 09:12:58 AM
well I heard sony got rid of the wifi router from the ps3 and on the same day evey big suit at sony got more pay, dont know if it was posted before.
Post by: Toruresu on September 14, 2005, 09:16:45 AM
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well I heard sony got rid of the wifi router from the ps3 and on the same day evey big suit at sony got more pay, dont know if it was posted before.
Link? Cutting features on the PS3 to raise the pay on the big guys is funny.
Post by: vudu on September 14, 2005, 10:22:23 AM
Watch. He'll lie about lying. Don't believe him--it's a lie. I'll bet you a dollar.
Post by: stevey on September 14, 2005, 04:04:58 PM
Post by: vudu on September 15, 2005, 08:39:04 AM
Post by: denjet78 on September 16, 2005, 02:05:55 AM
Just like MS, you can only loose so much before you have to be accountable to your stockholders, and if you don't do what they say, well... they sell, and you go under.
Post by: KDR_11k on September 17, 2005, 05:36:17 AM
We're not doubting that they'd cut them if they were bleeding money, we're doubting that they'll lose tons of money anytime soon.
Post by: Renny on September 17, 2005, 06:52:52 AM
Post by: Toruresu on September 23, 2005, 08:54:08 AM
Today I was reading the local newspaper, when BANG, I found this. I did the translation, sorry if there are errors.
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10,000 laid off in Sony
Tokyo - Sony Corp announced their first loss in more than ten years, and precised that they would eliminate 10,000 positions after loosing leadership in music players and TVs due to competitors like Apple Computers Inc. and Sharp Corp. and the downgrade of their stock.
The second worldwide maker of electronics said that it would cut its labor (people) by 6.6% by March 2008 and close down eleven plants, said Howard Stringer, CEO, in a press conference in Tokyo, where he predicted a loss of $90 million, which changes the sales forecast set last july. (Bloomberg)
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This is really big, but at the same time, it isn't. If it's by 2008, would this affect their games division? How many of those 10,000 would be from SCE? Can anyone track the original article from Bloomberg?
With rumors of PS3 launching in 2007 if the Xbox 360 doesn't sell well, is it possible they are not just watching the market, but also their pockets and how much of a loss they can take with PS3?
Post by: KDR_11k on September 23, 2005, 09:33:55 AM
Post by: Toruresu on September 23, 2005, 09:51:06 AM
Post by: BigJim on September 23, 2005, 10:32:32 AM
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Post by: KDR_11k on September 23, 2005, 09:25:06 PM
Post by: Nephilim on September 23, 2005, 11:00:24 PM
Post by: stevey on September 24, 2005, 10:32:31 AM
even at 500+ sony still might take losess because the ps3 Blu Ray drive will cost Sony $100+ to make plus the cell chip and all the other useless sh!t sony putting in the ps3 will make sony take huge loses or outright die (like they should) over the ps3.
Post by: boggy b on September 24, 2005, 12:14:45 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on September 24, 2005, 09:44:46 PM
Post by: Artimus on September 24, 2005, 10:53:54 PM
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Originally posted by: boggy b
The $100 was an unconfirmed analyst prediction. In other words, they might simply have selected that number by throwing darts at a board for all we know. As for Cell being 'useless s***', what do you recommend they put in instead? It's got great potential for physics simulations in games, and it'll be great at throwing around an assload of vertices. What else in the PS3 is 'useless'?
The controller, the architecture, the case design, the developers, the company, the coporation, but most of all:
KRAZY KEN KUTARAGI!
Post by: stevey on September 25, 2005, 06:43:29 AM
what do you need more physics power for? we got "bouncing melon" what more do you need?
and for the last time KDR I don't try to start flamewar! if I was I'll say stuff like ninteno tiku tiku tiku! . I just a big fanboy of nintendo and hate all thing that not nintendo or sega or google
Post by: KDR_11k on September 25, 2005, 07:29:49 AM
By the way, stop pretending you have no clue about BBcode, the open font color tags you added to some of your posts to make posts quoting them look bad clearly prove the opposite.
Post by: nickmitch on September 25, 2005, 07:47:06 AM
Post by: stevey on September 26, 2005, 01:09:14 PM
By the way, stop pretending you have no clue about BBcode, the open font color tags you added to some of your posts to make posts quoting them look bad clearly prove the opposite. "
I just think the cell be useless and wont add to any games to make them funner and if you dont fine you have a right to think like that there no need to say I'm "baiting" so stop and what "BBcode" if you mean that dont put [/] in that because I forget or just to lazy to put it in sometimes.
