Post by: nolimit19 on June 08, 2005, 12:45:12 PM
anyways, a lot has been made of the poor sales for RE4, but the numbers dont look that bad...
"- Capcom announced that Biohazard 4 / Resident Evil 4 for GameCube has sold 1.23 million copies worldwide, here are the breakdown:
Japan - 210,000 units
Europe - 360,000 units
North America - 660,000 units"
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 08, 2005, 01:06:29 PM
Look for ShyGuy's post
but thats ok, maybe it could use its own thread.
It sucks that Capcom's GC sales sabotage didn't work out so well, well better luck next time.......
Post by: nolimit19 on June 08, 2005, 01:14:09 PM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 08, 2005, 01:55:25 PM
it was kinda ridiculous(going from memory here, as I can't check GAF from work, IP banned for some reason)
PS2 = 40 titles to 13million sales
GC = 4-7 titles to 6million sales
I have no facts behind those #'s, take them as you will
Post by: blackfootsteps on June 08, 2005, 04:03:34 PM
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Originally posted by: nolimit19
"- Capcom announced that Biohazard 4 / Resident Evil 4 for GameCube has sold 1.23 million copies worldwide, here are the breakdown:
Japan - 210,000 units
Europe - 360,000 units
North America - 660,000 units"
And Australia.... 4 units. Yay!
Post by: KDR_11k on June 09, 2005, 02:29:58 AM
Post by: Arbok on June 09, 2005, 10:06:17 AM
Post by: vudu on June 09, 2005, 10:11:55 AM
Post by: Arbok on June 09, 2005, 12:56:15 PM
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Originally posted by: vudu
PGC was reporting the NPD Group's numbers which (A) only count North America sales and (B) only count sales through April.
I realized they were only talking about North America's sales figures, but 500,000 vs. 660,000 is quite a difference. Has RE4 sold 160,000 copies since those figures were published? Seems like it has very good legs in terms of sales, if that's the case or the NPD figure was very, very rough.
Post by: thepoga on June 09, 2005, 03:00:57 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 09, 2005, 03:32:06 PM
Post by: Dirk Temporo on June 09, 2005, 04:12:37 PM
FY 2004 Sales Results (4/1/2004 - 3/31/2005)
PlayStation 2 - 40 titles, 7.3 million copies
GameCube - five titles, 2 million copies
Xbox - seven titles, 250,000 copies
Game Boy Advance - seven titles, 3.4 million copies
PC & Misc. - 11 titles, 400,000 copies
FY 2005 Sales Estimates (4/01/2005 - 3/31/2006)
PlayStation 2 - 55 titles, 10.7 million copies
GameCube - four titles, 350,000 WTF? copies
Xbox - eight titles, 750,000 copies
Game Boy Advance - four titles, 1.25 million copies
PC & Misc. - zero titles, zero copies
Seriously... Capcom is SO anti-Nintendo, it's not even funny.
Post by: mantidor on June 09, 2005, 04:36:16 PM
Post by: thepoga on June 09, 2005, 06:01:29 PM
FY 2005 Sales Estimates (4/01/2005 - 3/31/2006)
PlayStation 2 - 55 titles, 10.7 million copies
are u sure that's right? 55 titles released in a span of two months. which is 15 more than what they released for the whole previous fiscal year "PlayStation 2 - 40 titles". 55 titles in two months and 40 titles in a whole year. Somethings not right.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 09, 2005, 06:33:10 PM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 09, 2005, 07:26:18 PM
I was sortof just throwing numbers out there, but I think I got my point across, as demonstrated by the actual numbers.
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FY 2004 Sales Results (4/1/2004 - 3/31/2005)
PlayStation 2 - 40 titles, 7.3 million copies
GameCube - five titles, 2 million copies
Xbox - seven titles, 250,000 copies
Game Boy Advance - seven titles, 3.4 million copies
PC & Misc. - 11 titles, 400,000 copies
GC has 1/8 the games and sells more than a 1/4 as many copies.
Logic would have it that you would release more games for GC, as you are selling more copies per Title. But rarely does Logic and Business Management ever meet (at least in my personal experiece)
Post by: mac<censored> on June 09, 2005, 08:07:15 PM
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Logic would have it that you would release more games for GC, as you are selling more copies per Title. But rarely does Logic and Business Management ever meet (at least in my personal experiece)
It's even worse in Japan. Japanese in general, and big Japanese companies in particular, are very risk adverse, and loooove a bandwagon. Once they've got it in their head that a particular thing is "it" -- usually because it gets lots of press and hype -- they'll stick to this notion like glue, regardless of the results, on the assumption that just a little more perseverance will show their assumption to be correct (and a fear of admitting their decision was wrong).
(I work for a large Japanese company, so I constantly see this in painful detail)
Post by: KDR_11k on June 09, 2005, 09:14:50 PM
Post by: thepoga on June 12, 2005, 07:39:07 PM
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Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
GC has 1/8 the games and sells more than a 1/4 as many copies.
Logic would have it that you would release more games for GC, as you are selling more copies per Title. But rarely does Logic and Business Management ever meet (at least in my personal experiece)
Well, the few Capcom games on the Cube were above average to REALLY good. I'm sure there were a lot of average games that were released on PS2 that only made money because the userbase is so large.
if 10 percent of the people who own PS2's buy RE4, that's around 9 million already. To equal the Cube, only 1 percent has to buy the game. I think Capcom is pretty much justified in selling the game on PS2.
Post by: Nosferat2 on June 12, 2005, 10:28:15 PM
But who cares about all that BS.
This is the kicker. PS2 gets ports of Gamecube games but rarely does the Gamecube get Ports of the Ps2 games. Where is Devil May Cry for the Gamecube. If Campcom is justified in selling Re4 to the Ps2 they are equally justified in porting the 40 games on the PS2 to the Gamecube. Why dont they?? They will sell more wont they??? I dont undrstand the logic nor dont i understand why in the hell they do what they do.
Post by: anubis6789 on June 12, 2005, 10:50:20 PM
I wonder what the estimates were for 2004-2005. How come we always hear from Capcom that games are under preforming on the GCN yet these numbers show a higher per title number?
By the way who wants to put bets on how well Killer 7 will sale on the GCN compared to the PS2. I'm sure even if the GCN version oversales the PS2 version that Capcom will still call the GCN version sales an underpreformance.
This brings to mind one of my favorite sayings: "Remember, it is not paranoia if they really are out to get you."
Post by: Ian Sane on June 13, 2005, 07:32:20 AM
Capcom didn't piss off Xbox owners. Perhaps they're lowering their sales expectations to take into account how they pissed off the entire Cube fanbase by announcing the RE4 port before release.
Of course if they were smart enough to come to that conclusion they wouldn't being doing half of the stupid sh!t they're doing now.
What bugs me is that Capcom is releasing a Midway Arcade Treasures style arcade comp on the Xbox and PS2 but NOT the Cube. WHY NOT? It's just a damn arcade collection. That requires no actual game development so it's not like they would be risking millions of dollars to release it on the Cube.
Post by: KDR_11k on June 13, 2005, 08:09:27 AM
Post by: anubis6789 on June 13, 2005, 10:54:56 AM
I am upset that we are not getting the Capcom game collection though. Didn't Mega Man Aniversry Collection do the best on the GCN anyway?
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 13, 2005, 12:06:30 PM
209,000 for GCN
202,000 for PS2
16,000 for Xb
Post by: nolimit19 on June 15, 2005, 06:44:37 AM
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Originally posted by: Dirk Temporo
CAPCOM SALES
FY 2004 Sales Results (4/1/2004 - 3/31/2005)
PlayStation 2 - 40 titles, 7.3 million copies
GameCube - five titles, 2 million copies
Xbox - seven titles, 250,000 copies
Game Boy Advance - seven titles, 3.4 million copies
PC & Misc. - 11 titles, 400,000 copies
FY 2005 Sales Estimates (4/01/2005 - 3/31/2006)
PlayStation 2 - 55 titles, 10.7 million copies
GameCube - four titles, 350,000 WTF? copies
Xbox - eight titles, 750,000 copies
Game Boy Advance - four titles, 1.25 million copies
PC & Misc. - zero titles, zero copies
Seriously... Capcom is SO anti-Nintendo, it's not even funny.
so 2004 average sales number per game is like this...
ps2- 182,500
gc- 400,000
xbox- 35,714
GBA- 485,714
PC & misc.- 36,363
assuming those sales numbers are right, capcom must be completely out of their minds....what is the source of those numbers?
Post by: jasonditz on June 16, 2005, 09:13:16 AM
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Originally posted by: anubis6789
Ian, I don't think that there are a whole lot of people are angry enough at Capcom to stop buying their games. I mean sure I was upset when they revealed the PS2 version of RE4 but I still bought that game, and I am still anxiously waiting for Killer 7.
I am upset that we are not getting the Capcom game collection though. Didn't Mega Man Aniversry Collection do the best on the GCN anyway?
Indeed, a lot of what Capcom has done wrt RE4 has hurt them a lot more than it hurts us. I've got no problem with them releasing inferior PS2 ports of their good Cube titles.
Post by: oohhboy on June 16, 2005, 10:04:12 AM
Post by: Dirk Temporo on June 16, 2005, 11:01:49 AM
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Originally posted by: nolimit19
so 2004 average sales number per game is like this...
ps2- 182,500
gc- 400,000
xbox- 35,714
GBA- 485,714
PC & misc.- 36,363
assuming those sales numbers are right, capcom must be completely out of their minds....what is the source of those numbers?
http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/06/01/news_6126708.html
I think we already knew Capcom was out of their minds. I'm still waiting for Shinji Mikami to cut his head off. (Remember? He said he'd cut off his own head if RE4 ever made it to PS2. I don't blame him, because I think he truly wanted it to stay on GCN, but still.)
Post by: vudu on June 16, 2005, 12:54:46 PM
QuoteIf that happens, watch out...a parasite might jump out.
I'm still waiting for Shinji Mikami to cut his head off.
Post by: nolimit19 on June 16, 2005, 02:40:06 PM
just look at that:
ps2- 182,500
gc- 400,000
xbox- 35,714
i cant get over it. the average capcom game for the gamecube sells more than 10 times better than the average capcom game for the xbox. that means something, regardless of any variables.
Post by: anubis6789 on June 16, 2005, 02:52:40 PM
Are these international numbers? If so then RE4 would make up half the total for the GCN. If these are just US numbers then the 400,000 figure is more accurate, seeing as how RE4 has only sold 500,000 in the US. Maybe these are just for Japan. Does any one know were these numbers are refering to?
Just wanted to put some things out there to think about.
*EDIT:added the part about Japan which I forgot to put in earlier.*
Post by: anubis6789 on June 16, 2005, 09:44:06 PM
The more I think about the more I think everyone hates Nintendo.
Post by: nolimit19 on June 17, 2005, 01:21:37 PM
i just dont get it
Post by: Rancid Planet on June 17, 2005, 09:38:52 PM
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Originally posted by: Dirk Temporo
Seriously... Capcom is SO anti-Nintendo, it's not even funny.
To tell you the truth, I don't think that Capcom even get THAT far. I think they see a list like the one you just posted and they think "WOW! We have GOT to get those PS2 numbers up!" I don't think that the GCN is anymore than an afterthought to them anymore. Who knows why?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 18, 2005, 03:45:30 AM
QuoteHe sort of did cut his own head off, he did break away from capcom and started his own (subsidiary) company " Clover Studios". So in a way he detached himself from the head even though the main vein(money) is still attached.
Originally posted by: Dirk Temporo
I'm still waiting for Shinji Mikami to cut his head off. (Remember? He said he'd cut off his own head if RE4 ever made it to PS2. I don't blame him, because I think he truly wanted it to stay on GCN, but still.)
Post by: xts3 on June 19, 2005, 06:42:09 AM
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Originally posted by: Nosferat2
Your right they are justified in selling RE4 on the PS2. But not if there was an agreement otherwise. I dont know how nintendo let them get out of that deal of exclusivity. IM certain Nintendo took a nice payoff for that one, or maybe there was some renig clause in the contract.
But who cares about all that BS.
This is the kicker. PS2 gets ports of Gamecube games but rarely does the Gamecube get Ports of the Ps2 games. Where is Devil May Cry for the Gamecube. If Campcom is justified in selling Re4 to the Ps2 they are equally justified in porting the 40 games on the PS2 to the Gamecube. Why dont they?? They will sell more wont they??? I dont undrstand the logic nor dont i understand why in the hell they do what they do.
I think the lack of gamecube ports has to do with maybe a high percentage of gamecube owners owning a PS2? Seems reasonable to me when you consider people mainly own the cube for their favorite franchises and not as the main gaming platform.
Post by: Ymeegod on June 19, 2005, 08:51:06 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on June 19, 2005, 09:32:41 AM
Post by: jasonditz on June 19, 2005, 10:23:21 AM
The ultimate irony is that this "purely financial" decision has been just as problematic from a business perspective as it was from a technological perspective.
Post by: Rancid Planet on June 20, 2005, 11:44:13 PM
Post by: Talon on June 30, 2005, 06:04:53 AM
(I love it when you finish exams and you get to buy all the games you wanted to play during the year but cant because you dont want the distractions, now if i could only find myself viewtiful joe!!)
Post by: oohhboy on June 30, 2005, 02:40:25 PM
Post by: xts3 on July 06, 2005, 10:51:12 PM
Post by: KnowsNothing on July 07, 2005, 07:24:42 AM
Besides, if you're going to gamespot for your reviews you're a moron.
Post by: KDR_11k on July 07, 2005, 08:10:40 AM
Since they're all listed on one page you can just use CTRL-F. Or /expression, if you use Firefox and prefer that.
What IS annoying is that sometimes there's no indicator what system a game is for.
Post by: KnowsNothing on July 07, 2005, 12:13:21 PM
Post by: Nosferat2 on July 07, 2005, 12:37:26 PM
