Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 22, 2005, 01:30:32 PM
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In the wake of the consoles' unveiling, some developers are already leaning toward one platform.
"I was shocked by how powerful the new consoles are," said Julian Eggebrecht, president of the San Rafael, Calif.-based game development company Factor 5. "They should really free our development."
Eggebrecht said his company--which developed "Star Wars: Rogue Squadron" for Nintendo's GameCube--would create games exclusively for Sony's upcoming PlayStation 3.
The choice boiled down to performance, Eggebrecht said at E3 in Los Angeles. His company has worked with Microsoft's Xbox 360, but found PlayStation 3's 3.2GHz Cell chip offered more processing power. The additional performance allows the gang at Factor 5 to more easily simulate the real world for a better game experience, he said.
News.com
Post by: ruby_onix on May 22, 2005, 01:44:28 PM
Here's another piece on this, from the Marin Independant Journal.
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Factor 5, best known for the "Star Wars: Rogue Squadron" series, has an even bigger announcement. After years of working exclusively with Nintendo, the San Rafael studio is signing on with Sony to develop two original titles for the just-unveiled PlayStation 3. It also has created a non-interactive demonstration that Sony is using to show the system's capabilities.
"It's a huge step up," said Factor 5 President Julian Eggebrecht of the PS3. "It's quite crazy, with production values so high."
As production costs skyrocket and publishers become less willing to pursue original ideas, Eggebrecht said, the opportunity to work with Sony was inviting.
"What's great is that Sony stepped up to the plate and said, 'Hey, we believe in you guys, so why don't we do something original together?'" Eggebrecht said.
Post by: KnowsNothing on May 22, 2005, 01:51:04 PM
Sadly, this means that we won't be getting a Factor 5 Pilotwings, which I will admit DID have a lot of potential.
Post by: wandering on May 22, 2005, 02:32:38 PM
Defintaley there was monetary influence...they didn't go for the most powerful console this gen.
Nintendo, this is a sign you need to start showing devs hardware NOW.
And, for goodness sakes, spend a little more time/money on keeping exclusives. RE, viewtiful joe, too human, factor five...when will it stop?
Post by: KDR_11k on May 23, 2005, 03:41:49 AM
Post by: couchmonkey on May 23, 2005, 12:20:11 PM
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The additional performance allows the gang at Factor 5 to more easily simulate the real world for a better game experience, he said.
I'm so sick of hearing this crap. I was just on IGN (big mistake, I know), and ladies and gentlemen, please be aware: better graphics do NOT equal a better game experience! Ai! I'm ready to keel over from reading this bull.
Post by: KDR_11k on May 24, 2005, 01:13:13 AM
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 25, 2005, 03:27:03 PM
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Post by: jasonditz on May 26, 2005, 06:54:45 AM
Edit: Obviously I meant "I don't think I ever enjoyed a Star Wars game quite as much"
Post by: TheYoungerPlumber on May 26, 2005, 12:16:35 PM
Post by: ruby_onix on May 26, 2005, 01:13:03 PM
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Ah yes, only two. For a second I thought there were three Rogue Squadron games on the 'Cube because the last one was "III."
N64? GameCube? Same difference.
*RO wonders which console is supposed to feel insulted by what he just said*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 21, 2005, 08:50:22 AM
Factor 5 revealed their PS3 game "Lair" with a trailer which can be seen below
Factor 5's "Lair" trailer
My guess is it is Rogue Squadron minus the Starwars liscence and using Organic flying beast.
Graphics look nice
Post by: vudu on July 21, 2005, 08:56:22 AM
QuoteFor being pre-rendered, they better be.
Graphics look nice
Post by: Ian Sane on July 21, 2005, 09:15:02 AM
Well if there's any developer who can claim that and have me believe it it's Factor 5. In-game models would probably be a more accurate description because there is NO WAY that all of that is "in-game" unless it's an in-game cutscene. Some of those shots just don't look like gameplay. My trust in Factor 5 and my mistrust in Sony are clashing.
Okay, we saw what Factor 5's doing so I want to see what Nintendo's doing instead. I'm looking at this and thinking "man, what a loss". So what does Nintendo have that justifies losing Factor 5? This is why the Revolution info has to come out. Factor 5 leaves and we're all justifiably pissed about it yet we have no assurance from Nintendo that everything's going to be cool. Now F5 is showing this PS3 game and it looks pretty cool. So why is it not on the Rev?
This week we have seen footage for two PS3 games that "should" be on the Rev but aren't: RE5 and Lair. That's not good. It gives the impression that Nintendo is losing all of their support. This is hurting Rev hype and fueling PS3 hype at the same time. We need something solid to help us get excited about the Rev. I think it's time Nintendo revealed the big secret. We're just being given too many reasons to buy a PS3 and not enough to buy a Rev. Blind faith is not going to sell consoles. We need to know NOW what's going on.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 21, 2005, 09:30:25 AM
I pretty sure that they(Nintendo) are waitin to blow the lid off all at once with a flood of news to bury the 360 hype and stop Sony in their tracks[/wishful thinking] but they need to show something. Sony and MS both have an actuall console that plays real games and I have seen these games, Nintendo has a bunch of rumors and a black box thats shrouded in secrecy.
Being the Nintendo Loyalist since the fall of Atari I will buy a Rev regardless, but if I were the average consumer just now hearing about an upcoming generation of new consoles, I think PS3 or X360 would have to be the only choices cause a 3rd one doesn't exactly exist just yet.
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Post by: KDR_11k on July 22, 2005, 04:26:55 AM
Post by: Galford on July 22, 2005, 08:07:26 PM
Too true KDR.
But really, I agree with Ian again.
From what I've read in various interviews, I don't think Rev is even finalized yet.
Post by: Gamebasher on August 17, 2005, 07:55:48 AM
Hmm, isn´that what Miyamoto always say about those specs demos from Sony or Microsoft?
You know what? I think we need not worry about a thing concerning Nintendo´s Revolution. Know why?
Because they have something that´s going to awe us, and rock us so much, and have us d-roooool away WHEN they spill the beans on the Big Gun - and they KNOW that! So they´re all cool...meantime working overtime to get a healthy line up of first party games ready, and the rest will go by itself WHEN the third parties see how ingenious the new control-interface will be and how easy and how cheaply they can make games on Revolution (which certainly counts in times of tough competition). I think they will love it, but Nintendo cannot reveal it just yet for very understandable reasons.
Somebody (who was it?) on the PGC Forums recently stated that he had read an article somewhere, which forecasted that in the future developers couldn´t afford to go exclusive on any systems very much, for the reason of rising development costs, and would thus be compelled to releasing on all three platforms at the same time in order to rake in the most cash to fuel their companies. We have already seen this with Capcom, who are now porting their RE4 game to Playstation 2.
So when that happens, as one member eloquently stated, Nintendo will suddenly receive a lot more attention because they are the ones who have the most first party games, which is a sure thing to turn heads when standing in the local game shop, trying to make a decision on what system to buy.
Who always secured a profit! on their hardware? N-i-n-t-e-n-d-o! Who didn´t? The other two! So who needs to worry? The other two! And that is probably why they are making so much noise, and why Nintendo is completely silent!
Ah! Silence........ before..... the storm!!!!!!!!
Bwa-ha-ha-ha!!
Post by: KDR_11k on August 17, 2005, 08:33:00 AM
Oh and did you eat mushrooms again? That "They will rock us and dominate everything" speech sounds like you tried to be Super Gamebasher again.
Post by: Gamebasher on August 18, 2005, 07:17:53 AM
"Gamebasher: There's a huge difference between a tech demo that's supposed to sell the hardware and a game demo that's supposed to push the game. The game demo won't use a seperate set of assets for the demo, they'll throw pretty much ingame stuff on there but have it act out a scripted scene instead of showing some chaotic footage of someone playing it with a beta HUD and stuff. Because you're not going to understand WTF is happening unless you know the game and the alpha HUDs are often not more than some raw text printed on the screen, sometimes even with debug output."
Hey, I did NOT emphasize anything about the differences between any demo´s, and I do know what is the difference between the two types of demo´s - any person with a functioning brain knows that difference as the former is a pre-test and demo of hardware capability and the latter is a demo of a game under developement. What I was refe´rring to was Miyamoto´s comments about hardware SPECS touted by the competition as showing the wonderous capability of their consoles, but forgetting (and as Miyamoto has pointed out several times) to subtract all the polygons required to process the additional effects that come on as the game is being developed.
"Oh and did you eat mushrooms again? That "They will rock us and dominate everything" speech sounds like you tried to be Super Gamebasher again."
Are you a Nintendo believer, my friend? Because if you are, and if you´ve kept your finger on the news-pulse, you will know that we´re in for something fantastic coming from Nintendo. That is, if you believe in them! Also, the console race has taken a turn where it is nolonger easy for everyone to throw in money all the time and risk losing a lot. It is definitely coming to a conclusion very soon, which will show who are the clear winners. Being Nintendo, they are the one company who has the biggest chance at winning, because they are the only ones who can make games of very very high caliber (Zelda:TP will sell around 20 million worldwide: my guess), which the others cannot make to any similar degree. So - no! I am not on mushrooms, KDR_11k!!! I just see them as one of the winners, because they have the ability to win and the others only know how to fill developers pockets with money and thus buy their way in! That is hoolow and soulless, and can be felt in the games they make.
Trust me on this, Nintendo will be one of the big winners! In fact, they may be the only company left standing, for the reason of being the only company making a profit on everything they sell!
Post by: pudu on August 18, 2005, 08:52:30 AM
As for the Factor 5 news...I don't care a whole lot. I own their first game for cube but haven't played it again in years. I agree their team can do some great stuff with graphics and make some pretty well put together games but nothing that's ever really blew my mind or anything. What's more impressive from them is their work on software used in games. I believe they made this sound engine/format called musyX or something and helped develope Dolby Pro Logic II. Their potential for adding to the PS3 community with tools is probably the biggest loss for Nintendo.
Post by: KDR_11k on August 18, 2005, 10:56:50 AM
It certainly sounded like it. I mentioned the machinima previews of games and you cited Miyamoto on hardware tech demos. I was assuming you were citing him in reference to the demos I mentioned.
Are you a Nintendo believer, my friend?
No. I'm not an UFO believer, conspiracy theorist or politician either. Nintendo hasn't proven itself worthy of that level of trust, I certainly don't think they're capable of beating either of their opponents. The opponents could beat themselves through stupid moves but Nintendo won't kill them. Your speeches suggest a level of trust that I find almost frightening, sounding almost like you're stoned or brainwashed. Not a single bit of critical thought in there.
because they are the only ones who can make games of very very high caliber
No. There are a lot of legendary games not designed by Nintendo and there are a lot of great game designers that aren't on Nintendo's payroll (Sid Meier and Will Wright, for example). You're just being ignorant towards other companies. Stop walking the company line and open your mind!
Zelda:TP will sell around 20 million worldwide: my guess
Did you work for Atari? Because they guessed that Pac-Man would sell 15 million copies despite there being only 10 million console owners. 2 million sounds more like reality.
they have the ability to win and the others only know how to fill developers pockets with money and thus buy their way in! That is hoolow and soulless, and can be felt in the games they make.
And? Those developers don't work for free and Nintendo had to feel it. If you can be happy when there's only Nintendo left, good for you, I for one certainly want more than just what Nintendo makes. As for Nintendo vs. the rest of the industry (which this'll turn into if Nintendo's plan doesn't bring money into the pockets of their licensees), I'll take advise from the book of Murphy here: "When it's you against the world, bet on the world".
Can you elaborate on WHY the other games feel hollow? I certainly don't see it.
Trust me on this, Nintendo will be one of the big winners! In fact, they may be the only company left standing, for the reason of being the only company making a profit on everything they sell!
I could trust you. I could trust that guy down the street with his "the end is nigh" sign. You can't back your claims up any better than he can.
As for making a profit, 1. That'll change for MS next gen and 2. SCE does make a profit, just not on every single thing they sell. You don't need to profit from every single sale if it increases the total profit you make from all sales. There are business tactics that go beyond "buy low, sell high" and Nintendo's mostly failing to grasp them.
Their potential for adding to the PS3 community with tools is probably the biggest loss for Nintendo.
They claim hey're working on tools for XNA, too. Their game development might be exclusive but their tool development isn't. If they can think of something useful to put on the Rev, they will do it.
Post by: vudu on August 18, 2005, 12:06:33 PM
QuoteWow. Yesterday at the Leipzip convension Nintendo said there have been 18.76 million GameCube's sold. (Linky). While it's a pretty safe bet that there will be 20 million units sold by the time TP comes out, it's highly unlikely (read: impossible) that every single GameCube owner will purchase the game. The best selling GameCube game (Smash Bros Melee) has sold under 5 million copies.
Zelda:TP will sell around 20 million worldwide: my guess
Post by: mantidor on August 18, 2005, 04:13:48 PM
Post by: Gamebasher on August 19, 2005, 06:29:38 AM
And KDR_11k, you and I are probably situated two very different places in the world of opinion as regards Nintendo and the future of same. But a good point on other companies, making games. You are right that there is many others out there who can make great games. I did not mean to be arrogant, it´s just that I cannot SEE those companies out of all the gamecompanies putting games on the shelf these days. Only Nintendo can make me FEEL that good!
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Post by: KDR_11k on August 19, 2005, 11:10:50 PM
Post by: Gamebasher on August 22, 2005, 05:02:31 AM
I was thinking of buying it, when I saw it announced, but now I just decided to drop it. I just don´t want to pay that much for something which is simply just more of the same you find on the current x-box, only with better graphics. I will wait for Nintendo Revolution!
Besides, KDR11_k, perhaps you now understand my enthusiasm for Nintendo a little better, after seeing the news on Peter Molyneux and his opinion of Nintendo´s new controller? I really think I am right, in being so enthusiastic about them, you know! That news story makes me feel confident that I am!!
Post by: KDR_11k on August 22, 2005, 10:31:05 AM
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Post by: Sir_Stabbalot on August 22, 2005, 01:52:15 PM
Post by: Gamebasher on August 23, 2005, 05:43:54 AM
Post by: vudu on August 23, 2005, 09:43:09 AM
QuoteAnother excellent idea with a poor execution. Notice a trend?
Originally posted by: Sir_Stabbalot
Peter Molyneaux... Isn't he the guy that made 'Fable'?
