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Title: Sony to show PS3 @ E3
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 13, 2005, 02:58:32 AM
Sony is set to crush MS's party
Quote Speaking on conditions of strict anonymity, a trusted insider source has revealed to C&VG that Sony will unveil an actual prototype PS3 unit on their next-generation booth and that rather than just a mock up, it will be a near final design of the next generation of PlayStation.
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Post by: Mario on May 13, 2005, 03:41:57 AM
This is shocking news.
Didn't the whole world know this already?
Maybe there's some substance to those rumors that it "could" launch in 2005 now? If Sony are smart though, they'll wait until 2006 to release it, though I guess it doesn't really matter, since it's PLAYSTATION it'll sell regardless. It would be funny if they launched a day before Xbox 360 though, that would pretty much kill that console.
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Post by: KDR_11k on May 13, 2005, 06:50:54 AM
I thought they wanted to do that on their pre-E3 conference?
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Post by: Ian Sane on May 13, 2005, 07:38:45 AM
"Sony is set to crush MS's party"
And Nintendo's if the Rev doesn't make a significant appearance. Though I imagine (or hope anyway) that Nintendo is basing their showing on what the competition shows. They're showing last so they have a lot of flexibility in what they show.
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Post by: PaLaDiN on May 13, 2005, 09:47:30 AM
I agree with Ian... It seems that's what Nintendo is planning. Perrin's comments right after MTV X360 are evidence.
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Post by: OptimusPrime on May 13, 2005, 01:56:41 PM
I can see it now at NOA's HQ Reggie: "Right that Xbox360 MTV thing like totally suckd, time to move in and build up some momentum" Kaplan: "great i'll go call the New York Times and tell how big the Rev is gonna be" Reggie: "Good idea, then we slowly wind up the boot like Burns did in the one Simpsons episode where he was looking for a heir and kick MS ass at 17 May Kaplan: "Owh Reggie, i like it when you talk about kicking ass..." Reggie: "That's why you hired me Perrin...now how about i did some Reggielution on your ass"...
Or something like it...
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Post by: Ian Sane on May 13, 2005, 01:58:46 PM
"That's why you hired me Perrin...now how about i did some Reggielution on your ass"
I'm getting a mental image of Perrin and Reggie in an uncomprising position and it's not that pretty.
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Post by: PaLaDiN on May 13, 2005, 02:08:03 PM
In related news, everybody who clicks on this thread after Ian's post suffers from acute mental scarring.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 13, 2005, 04:59:41 PM
Thanks for the new scar.
>=U
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Post by: mantidor on May 13, 2005, 05:09:36 PM
omg its true, we all have been scarred for life >_<
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Post by: kirby_killer_dedede on May 14, 2005, 10:30:18 AM
Dude, this is like saying "BREAKING: SONY TO RELEASE PLAYSTATION 3."
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Post by: RickPowers on May 14, 2005, 10:39:52 AM
WELCOME CHANG3
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 14, 2005, 11:17:44 AM
Quote The moderator of PS3 Forums, "The Unofficial PS3 H.Q." has posted the following:
Apple + Sony = PS3
I am now hearing stronger rumors that Sony is indeed working with Apple on the PS3. Most of this work is based around support for iTunes and iPop on the PS3.
iPod connectivity - Ability to connect the iPod to the PS3 and play it's music through the PS3 to your stereo or other audio playback devices. Will also provide some graphical effects on your TV during playback
iTunes linkup - Access iTunes and your music through the PS3. Purchase and download additiona tracks through the PS3. Wirelessly play iTunes music from your PC/Mac through the PS3
Sync support - Use the PS3 to sync your iPod with iTunes, no need for a PC or Mac to sync and add/remove tracks and organize playlists.
Apple may also be helping Sony with some UI design for the PS3 dashboard interface. No links, and for that I appologize, but I figured people would like to hear this information anyways. If the rumors hold true, this would be mutually benefitical for Sony and Apple in a lot of ways.
What do you guys think of this rumor?
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Post by: OptimusPrime on May 14, 2005, 12:58:27 PM
The real question should be:why work with Apple for iTunes-support for the PS3 if your making your own iTunes competitor for the PSP? Seeing that the guy only talks about the PS3 and not the PSP adds to the fact that this is probably not true. And didn't Sony hate iTunes because it eats away their income on record sales?
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 14, 2005, 03:41:42 PM
it called profit sharing, the PSP cannaot compete w/ the iPod in mass storage portable mp3 player market, but if tey make it so that every song d/l from PS3 sony gets a share of the profits, and Apple gets a huge boost in iTunes userts who are now more likely to either buy an iPod to d/l music or just 70mil PS3 users who are d/ling music from iTunes whether they have an iPod or not.
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Post by: Galford on May 14, 2005, 07:20:47 PM
Apple is a funny company.
For every one brillant business decision Steve Jobs has, he has an equally stupid one around the corner...
But, doesn't Sony already have a music download service?
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Post by: KDR_11k on May 14, 2005, 09:04:19 PM
Sony Connect. And besides, Apple isn't going to partner with Sony, at least not any more than with Microsoft (the Xenon can connect to the iPod).
Why does everybody throw around the "Apple card"? Apple doesn't bring anything to the table except a brand name.
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Post by: kirby_killer_dedede on May 15, 2005, 08:43:55 AM
I see a possible partnership with PSP and iTunes...but nothing more...
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Post by: Artimus on May 15, 2005, 09:09:21 AM
Has anyone seen the pics of the Sony bus stop ads? Here:
Welcome Chang3? I wonder what Sony has planed. It's an exciting week at least
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Post by: PaLaDiN on May 15, 2005, 09:23:45 AM
I have strong distrust of anything that uses numbers as letters. Except internet Arabic, because there's really no choice there.
Those icons are bits of the DualShock buttons. They'll be changing the controller, I'm guessing with a trackball. Or maybe just the symbols on the buttons, but I have no idea why that would be welcome to anybody except FAQ writers.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 15, 2005, 11:20:14 AM
There are actually 4 different color ads with those 'Predator' like symbols on them
every color show different parts of the PS button symbols
/\ C > [
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 15, 2005, 02:48:16 PM
I say its a fake, no question about it. The 3 doesn't look right for one thing, looks likt it was edited from the back of a PSP
p.s. I only post this cause its from a 'supposed insider'(no credibility) that doesn't want it posted, it was supposed to be a secret
LOL!?
That is the worst mockup ever. You can see the lines on the 3 where it's another color. No to mention is not nearly as wide as the other letters. The things along the top are terrible too, you can see the black where they were cut from other images.
I can't believe they thought it'd convince people.
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Post by: KDR_11k on May 15, 2005, 11:35:30 PM
Those half symbols apparently mean it's a half assed system. But hell, MS is talking about a new era, Sony is talking about change, sounds like they've taken a cue from Nintendo and the reaction of gamers towards the promise of innovation.
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Post by: vudu on May 16, 2005, 10:32:49 AM
Quote Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1 Here is a rumor I have not heard before
Why would Sony work with Apple on this? Sony has competing products out there for both the iPod (Sony Network Walkman) and iTunes (Sony Connect).
It just doesn't make any sense.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 16, 2005, 02:03:13 PM
Just a question on some outlandish specualtion, hoping for some clarifiaction and an outright denial of possibilities
Ok here we go,
With Sony having the whole Immersion fiasco, and talk of a new contoller for PS3, mixed with the ad campaign of Chang3 with the partial PS controller symbols (on previous page)........
That is the time of Nintendo's Pre-E3 conference right? Can't seem to find the conference time anywhere
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Post by: Mario on May 16, 2005, 02:10:25 PM
It's counting down 'til when E3 officially opens I think, which is after the Nintendo Press Conference.
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Post by: PaLaDiN on May 16, 2005, 02:11:45 PM
That's actually about an hour and a half earlier, if Nintendo.com's counter means anything.
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Post by: Artimus on May 16, 2005, 02:16:04 PM
GameSpot has a full story but it's backwards compatible to PS1, up to 7 wireless bluetooth controllers, media capabilities, 6 USB ports, 3.2 Ghz and feature 2.18 teraflops of performance, etc.
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Post by: Mario on May 16, 2005, 02:19:01 PM
Nintendo.coms counter counts down to May 17 10am on your PC clock (when E3 opens, not when their conference starts), it doesn't take into account timezones and stuff so it could be off depending on where you live. It's telling me E3 starts in just over an hour.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 16, 2005, 02:19:59 PM
Nintendo.com's counter says its counting to the start of E3, and Mario says its counting to 8am on your PC clock, so the real question is......
when is Nintendo's Pre-E3 press conference?
Sony's Pre-E3 conference is right now, so what is it counting to?
whats with the possibility of Sony & Nintendo teaming up to make controllers that would allow for easy portability that would alienate MS when it comes to cross platforming? Sony liscensing Nintendo rumble/feedback/gyro tech and Nintendo getting 3rd party push from Sony maybe?
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Post by: PaLaDiN on May 16, 2005, 02:20:41 PM
At this point I just want to see the PS3 and its controllers.
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Post by: Mario on May 16, 2005, 02:25:47 PM
Nintendo's press conference is in 16 hours 35 minutes. Unless it starts half an hour or an hour earlier as has been rumored.
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Post by: PaLaDiN on May 16, 2005, 02:27:47 PM
Gamespot just keeps updating the same PS3 info page.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 16, 2005, 02:30:05 PM
Nintendo conference @ 9am
Sony countdown to 9:30am
that is very close
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Post by: Ian Sane on May 16, 2005, 02:30:44 PM
While I think it's great the Sony has finally caught up to 1996 I wonder why they picked SEVEN controllers. Well obviously 7 > 4 and Sony's logic usually follows that sort of pattern ("Nintendo has an analog stick? We'll add TWO analog sticks! That's twice as many!") but 7 is an odd number, most mathematical and figuratively. I don't see why anyone would NEED that many. It would be ridiculously impractical for split screen and I can only think of a few single screen games that use more than four. Saturn Bomberman has 10 and X-Men in the arcade had 6 but aside from that it's usually always 4. Realistically Mario Kart Double Dash could be played with 8 players since you could have the four-way split screen with two people on each screen. But that's 8 which makes some sense and this is 7 which doesn't.
One thing that could be possible is that the PS3 can connect to multiple TVs at once thus creating the equivalent of LAN gaming without the need for more consoles. But even then 7 is odd. An even number would better suit that concept.
I figure Sony wanted to throw as many controllers on as they could and 7 was some limit where the hardware would cost more money or something.
Aside from that the PS3 sounds like a bunch of nothing. The big changes so far are all based on multimedia super computer junk. Perhaps Nintendo is on the right track after all by wanting to be different. Sony and MS are very literally offering more of the same. Let's just hope Nintendo idea to be different isn't something really dumb like powergloves or something.
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Post by: Artimus on May 16, 2005, 02:30:48 PM
Microsoft's is later tonight (7:30PM PST/10:30PM EST) and Nintendo's is tomorrow at 9AM PST/12PM PST.
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Post by: wandering on May 16, 2005, 02:49:25 PM
edit: graphics hype. http://ps3.ign.com/articles/614/614678p1.html Apparently, Getaway is "bloody amazing". And the cgi spiderman from the movies can run in real time on the ps3. (also, apparently the dinosaurs from jurassic park can run in realtime on the n64)
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Post by: kirby_killer_dedede on May 16, 2005, 02:51:53 PM
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Post by: Ian Sane on May 16, 2005, 02:55:37 PM
I'm pretty sure those images on engadget are fake. I'm seeing something that looks more like a Zippo lighter on other sites. Either way it's gross though.
Though I wouldn't be surprised if the controller was similar to that since it STILL is d-pad centric and thus ridiculously out of date and thus perfect for Sony. The d-pad looks kind of comfortable though so it can't be the REAL PS3 controller. The uncomfortable split d-pad design is a Sony trademark.
Edit: Caliban's got the Zippo lighter one. I haven't seen the pic of it lying down though. How the hell is that thing supposed to stand with all those curves?
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Post by: nickmitch on May 16, 2005, 02:56:11 PM
Ewww
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Post by: Artimus on May 16, 2005, 02:59:39 PM
The Zippo one is it. Ugly or what!? Apparantly Square is on stage right now. Urgh.
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Post by: Caliban on May 16, 2005, 03:01:08 PM
Apparently PS3 will launch with GTA Next, hmmmmm, and Bill Gates wants to release Halo 3 when PS3 is released...lol it's going to be very chaotic. What do you guys think Nintendo will do if such thing will happen? I don't know what to think really, I just think that if such thing happens then Nintendo is going to get screwed, hopefully not of course.
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Post by: wandering on May 16, 2005, 03:03:12 PM
Real picture and specs added at ign. [redundant link removed]. Round and sexy.
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Post by: Ian Sane on May 16, 2005, 03:05:25 PM
"Apparently PS3 will launch with GTA Next, hmmmmm, and Bill Gates wants to release Halo 3 when PS3 is released...lol it's going to be very chaotic. What do you guys think Nintendo will do if such thing will happen?"
GTA and Halo will be last-gen killer apps at that point. Last-gen killer apps never sell console. It's always brand new stuff or existing franchises completely redone (ie: GTA3 or Mario 64). Nintendo can beat those two games provided they have their own killer app. Not Mario or Metroid or Zelda, but something brand new that just blows away everything. That sort of thing is hard to pull off intentionally though. A lot of times stuff like that comes out of nowhere. So the best bet for Nintendo to try out a bunch of new ideas and attract third party support, even from minor devs that at first glance don't look they can offer anything.
Though knowing Nintendo they'll probably try to do something with Mario instead and we'll get a great game but not something that sells Revolutions.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 16, 2005, 03:10:23 PM
EDIT: you already have the pics posted
Spiderman 3 font......
looks nice, very sleek
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Post by: kirby_killer_dedede on May 16, 2005, 03:12:04 PM
So the Zippo one's reality according to IGN...
I must say I find that quite sexy.
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Post by: Artimus on May 16, 2005, 03:15:58 PM
LMAO? Did someone leave a Dual Shock on a burner, realize it melted and go "OMG!? NEXT GEN!?"
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Post by: Arbok on May 16, 2005, 03:16:00 PM
Yes, I think it looks very sleek and nice as well. The actual shape of it isn't very practicle, but it looks nice none the same.
EDIT: Just saw the controller... lol. Looks more like a weapon than anything else, man does that look uncomfortable.
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Post by: Mario on May 16, 2005, 03:16:28 PM
LOL the PS3 controller is a distaster
So no games footage was shown at all? Does this mean Nintendo will ease off on Revolution stuff or give us a complete blowout? If they show everything, and say it'll launch at the same time as PS3, it will look like Nintendo will have much more ready for launch than Sony.
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Post by: blackfootsteps on May 16, 2005, 03:16:47 PM
I don't mind it. Looks a little like a laminator.
edit: the console that is
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Post by: Caliban on May 16, 2005, 03:16:52 PM
Self Note: there is no need to post links of things that already are shown.
That controller looks too uncomfortable to use.
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Post by: PaLaDiN on May 16, 2005, 03:19:47 PM
"So no games footage was shown at all?"
They showed Getaway.
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Post by: nickmitch on May 16, 2005, 03:21:54 PM
Why does everyone link to the same pic?
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Post by: wandering on May 16, 2005, 03:23:26 PM
Aesthetically, the controller's pretty cool. But no controller innovations at all? Not even a trackball? Score one for Nintendo. I was really afraid Sony and Microsoft would take Nintendo's big talk and shove it in their face with unexpected awesomeness, but it looks like that won't be happening. So, hooray, I guess.
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Post by: Arbok on May 16, 2005, 03:23:46 PM
Quote Originally posted by: TVman Why does everyone link to the same pic?
Your post is about two minutes too late, hit refresh.
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Post by: PaLaDiN on May 16, 2005, 03:25:13 PM
"Aesthetically, the controller's pretty cool."
Are you kidding? What the crap?
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Post by: nickmitch on May 16, 2005, 03:26:15 PM
Quote Originally posted by: Hedorah64
Quote Originally posted by: TVman Why does everyone link to the same pic?
Your post is about two minutes too late, hit refresh.
D'Oh!
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Post by: blackfootsteps on May 16, 2005, 03:27:38 PM
Quote Originally posted by: wandering_nintendo_fan Aesthetically, the controller's pretty cool.
Yeah I heard you can use it as a boomerang/ remote control to turn off your PS3 by throwing it at the console before seeing it magically return to you. Nintendo really need that design if they want next-gen Zelda realism.
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Post by: PaLaDiN on May 16, 2005, 03:41:02 PM
At least now we know the reason behind the "welcome chang3" ads. It's a plea.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 16, 2005, 03:46:56 PM
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Post by: wandering on May 16, 2005, 03:53:30 PM
lors of new games shown, apparently they "look incredible" http://ps3.ign.com/articles/614/614708p1.html PYEdentify Voice Recognition Game ? Old west game from Rockstar. "super gory wolfenstein style fps" from insomniac.
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Post by: Mario on May 16, 2005, 03:54:39 PM
Quote # Tekken -- Namco.
# Killzone -- Guerilla
# Vision Gran Turismo -- Polyphony Digital
# Formula One -- Sony Liverpool
# Untitled Old West Game -- Rockstar
# Oh-Ni -- Koei
# Mobile Suit Gundam -- Bandai
# Devil May Cry 4 -- Capcom
# Super Gory Wolfensdtein Style FPS -- Insomniac
# Metal Gear Solid 4 -- Konami
# PYEdentify Voice Recognition Game -- SCEA
# Fifth Phantom Saga -- Sega
# Heavenly Sword -- Sony
# Warhawk -- Incognito
# Killing Day -- Ubisoft
# Motor Storm -- Evolution
That's even worse than the PS2 launch lineup... and I bet not all of those games will even make it out at launch.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 16, 2005, 03:55:09 PM
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Post by: Grant10k on May 16, 2005, 03:56:03 PM
Quote Originally posted by: blackfootsteps
Quote Originally posted by: wandering_nintendo_fan Aesthetically, the controller's pretty cool.
Yeah I heard you can use it as a boomerang/ remote control to turn off your PS3 by throwing it at the console before seeing it magically return to you. Nintendo really need that design if they want next-gen Zelda realism.
There is no way in hell that I would want that thing to return to me, even if it does turn off PS3's. I want it to turn off PS3's and then explode.
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Post by: nickmitch on May 16, 2005, 03:57:08 PM
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Post by: PaLaDiN on May 16, 2005, 04:00:42 PM
C'est la PS3 vue d'en haut.
It's just an isometric view with the PS3 stacked vertically.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 16, 2005, 04:03:51 PM
I already posted that pic 2 post above.
Quote Sony has mentioned in the past that its new handheld and its upcoming console would get along together, but it wasn't until the big unveiling of the PS3 that concrete details have been available on how this will come together.
In its PS3 unveiling, SCE announced that the PlayStation 3 would have support for USB 2.0, Wi-Fi, Bluetooth and online networking. Those first two are the biggest concerns for PSP owners, as Sony officially confirmed that the Wi-Fi configuration of the PS3 would allow the PSP to wirelessly connect with the home console. No wires, no connectors, no muss, no fuss. Of course, the PSP also has outlets for the USB 2.0, which might allow for corded connections as well as wireless, if necessary.
PSP won't just be used for wireless file transfers -- according to the official specs for the system, the PSP can be used as a controller for the console. Whether PSP will be used as a PS3 controller much is up to developers -- the GBA and GameCube got along great together, and the PSP obviously has a lot more capable hardware to do interesting things than that duo. Whether PS3 developers enjoy that gimmick of a system with a full-color screen or else decide to stick to the more complicated PS3 controller configuration is a matter we will find out in time.
Sony is a freakin genious, how come no one else thought to do this? I bet this will be the best thing ever!!!
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Post by: nickmitch on May 16, 2005, 04:04:16 PM
Oooh, I see it now. (Ahh, oui, je le vois maintenant.)
Edit: BlackNMild2k1: I know, I just didn't see what that was at first
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Post by: Caliban on May 16, 2005, 04:07:33 PM
So apparently the Rev might be the smallest of all next-gen consoles and be as powerful as they will be...I wonder if consumers will say the same thing about Rev as I several times heard them saying that GC was small so it was less powerful than PS2 or XBOX.
Edit: Btw don't the triggers from new controller seem very unaccessible and kind of worse than Z-trigger on GC's controller?!
Edit 2: BlackNMild2k1, I hope that's a sarcastic remark.
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Post by: PaLaDiN on May 16, 2005, 04:12:43 PM
I'm sorry... at this point I'm convinced that:
a) Nintendo's console won't be as powerful as either of the others. b) All my attempts to give a crap will be fruitless.
And the PS3 controller is total ass. I can't find anything about it that I like, and I thoroughly dread having to play DMC4 and MGS4 on that worthless piece of garbage.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 16, 2005, 04:12:47 PM
They really are using the Spiderman font. Maybe PS3 is to release right around when Spiderman 3 is to release in 2006. march-june 2006?
edit: Caliban, I thought it was obvious
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Post by: wandering on May 16, 2005, 04:13:34 PM
Am I the only one who thinks KillZone looks amazing? Same for Fight Night and Devil May Cry. I know this was expected, but, wow, Xbox 360 suddenly seems so dated.
edit: the press release says launch will be in spring 2006. Actual launch date or tactic to eat into xbox 360's sales?
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Post by: Caliban on May 16, 2005, 04:17:52 PM
Don't get me wrong Paladin I also don't care if Rev is less powerful than other two, I'm just assuming if it is as powerful and even then alot of people will still say that Rev is weaker because it is smaller and that is something Nintendo should avoid happening.
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Post by: PaLaDiN on May 16, 2005, 04:18:33 PM
No, Killzone does look lovely.
X360 doesn't seem that dated though... Gears of War especially.
I'm getting the feeling that both consoles will be extremely comparable visually, but developers will just have to work harder to get nice graphics out of the X360.
We've already reached the plateau as far as I'm concerned.
Caliban, don't worry, I wasn't bashing you or anything, just giving my opinion. You're probably right though, people in general will see the Rev as less powerful. It's inescapable.
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Post by: Artimus on May 16, 2005, 04:19:46 PM
The graphics are great, I agree.
The rest, however...
And I just had a humorous thought. Square showed a tech demo of FFVII. Anyone remember the last time they showed a tech demo for FVII? Yes, that's right, back the first time Nintendo debued it's Ultra 64
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Post by: Artimus on May 16, 2005, 04:26:52 PM
Am I wrong to assume the power and eject buttons are just touch spots? (which I think is a good idea)
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Post by: Robotor on May 16, 2005, 04:28:32 PM
Wow that design is really ugly, I don't think that would fit anywhere. It could easily rock of a table. The controller is just terrible. It looks uncomfortable to hold, and just looks bad. And this "welcome chang3" is total BS, It's not a change at all, its just better graphics. Can't say this gen has shown me anything yet, don't let me down Nintendo.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 16, 2005, 04:31:37 PM
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Post by: wandering on May 16, 2005, 04:32:22 PM
Quote Don't get me wrong Paladin I also don't care if Rev is less powerful than other two, I'm just assuming if it is as powerful and even then alot of people will still say that Rev is weaker because it is smaller and that is something Nintendo should avoid happening.
Power just isn't that important. Small size will only help Nintendo, as long as the console looks sleek and cool. People understand that graphics have pretty much reached their peak and that technology is getting ridiculously small. People exclaiming 'wow, that thing's tiny!' is a huge plus (see also: powerbook, mac mini, ipod mini).
Right now it's looking like Nintendo will have the smallest system, the most innovative controller, the best launch game (I, know, too early to tell...but how can they not beat what Microsoft/Sony seem to be offering?), and out-of-the-box dvd playback. For the casual gamer, who chooses what he buys based on what he sees in the store display, these are all huge wins for Nintendo.
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Post by: Artimus on May 16, 2005, 04:33:47 PM
It'll be hard to be GTA exclusive...but yeah, PD0 isn't as big as if it was Halo.
Title: RE: Sony to show PS3 @ E3
Post by: mantidor on May 16, 2005, 04:34:01 PM
So I just saw the pictures... I have to say, I think the controller looks ok, and anyway, theres no way you can judge a controller by just looking, is mandatory to hold it in your hnds to see if it works or not. The graphics are ok too. but... yeah... no "wow" here.
Title: RE: Sony to show PS3 @ E3
Post by: nickmitch on May 16, 2005, 04:38:10 PM
Nintendo can still have the advantage in design and this could be vital. When Sony recieves the reaction they'll probably make some changes, though they'd be slight.
Title: RE: Sony to show PS3 @ E3
Post by: KnowsNothing on May 16, 2005, 04:39:21 PM
ItThe PS3 looks pretty okay, I guess. I hate the "Spiderman movie" font on the front though...ICK. The controller looks pretty disgusting to me, too. I mean, it looks like a controller of some obscure failed system or one of those "one game" consoles or...does anyone actually know what I'm going on about?
KN gives it a
Graphics? What? I am not wowed at all by a picture on which a guy's shoulder has three distinct points on it.
Title: RE:Sony to show PS3 @ E3
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 16, 2005, 04:40:02 PM
Title: RE:Sony to show PS3 @ E3
Post by: Dirk Temporo on May 16, 2005, 05:01:04 PM
I wish they'd show us some actual gameplay...
Title: RE: Sony to show PS3 @ E3
Post by: Robotor on May 16, 2005, 05:06:02 PM
Realistic graphics aren't impressive because I can turn on ESPN2 and see the same thing. Art direction becomes more important. Also I think about how it would feel with that controller. The spraying sweat did look nice though, but the expressions of the fighters were goofy. This is all on Final Night Round 3.
EDIT: A friend of mine just told me that that controller design has been floating around for awhile, and is probably a fake. I hope so, the thing is hideous.
Title: RE: Sony to show PS3 @ E3
Post by: wandering on May 16, 2005, 05:13:11 PM
I think they tried to make the fighters look too photo realistic, and that's why they seeem "off". Thankfully, most devs this gen seem to have realized that humans look better in games if they're slightly stylized.
Title: RE: Sony to show PS3 @ E3
Post by: kirby_killer_dedede on May 16, 2005, 05:13:19 PM
I doubt much of what we've seen was real time...other than that FPS we're seeing so much of...
Title: RE:Sony to show PS3 @ E3
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 16, 2005, 05:17:41 PM
Title: RE:Sony to show PS3 @ E3
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 16, 2005, 05:20:03 PM
I'd say Shinji & Co. did a pretty good job with Resident Evil humans on GameCube. No bumpy-mapped plasticky skin, just good skin.
Title: RE: Sony to show PS3 @ E3
Post by: Artimus on May 16, 2005, 05:20:59 PM
Anyone else concerned that almost every single game shown for the 360 and PS3 are either photo-reliastic shooters, driving games, or anime-overloaded fighters? I haven't seen a single game yet that has much spirit...
And the greyish haze that seems to float around in most of these games annoys me too. Real life isn't hazy like that.
The second Tekken shot, however, was what I consider to be next-gen. Impressed.
Title: RE:Sony to show PS3 @ E3
Post by: Savior on May 16, 2005, 05:23:50 PM
Nothing on PSP... no new games other than ripping off connectivity of Nintendo? How odd.
Tekken looked nice though... ugg if thats a launch title? ill have to bite.
Title: RE: Sony to show PS3 @ E3
Post by: Nile Boogie on May 16, 2005, 05:48:33 PM
What is the point of the controller looking like half a steering wheel? if it was a Gyroscope in that thing then I would say hell yeah!!! I love the system design. One thing. The specs of this systems has got to push the price of this thing in to the mid $400 dollor range. I'm talking 449.99=tax (unless you live in Delawere). This almost ensures Nintendo to drop the motherload of info 2maro. Mmm Boy, good good stuff indeed.
Title: RE: Sony to show PS3 @ E3
Post by: wandering on May 16, 2005, 05:50:09 PM
ah, yes. Resident evil probably featured the best humans out of any console game, ever. I think it's because the game didn't really require them to emote. That, and their eyes were really good. It's all in the eyes. And drawing attention away from the face with hair. And the skin, like you said. Anyway....
I completley agree with you, artimus... there haven't been any next-gen games announced thus far that I personally interesting. I'm actually really surprised, but Nintendo seems to have been dead-on accurate. Graphics have improved, but gameplay has become almost completley stagnant. I mean, the possibilities of unlimited stuff on-screen, online play, and ultra-realism do excite me.....but I want more. I want games that are artisitc and creative and simulate things in life other than fighting.
Title: RE:Sony to show PS3 @ E3
Post by: nemo_83 on May 16, 2005, 05:52:22 PM
This thing is going to cost too much. And the controller has no advancements. Nintendo can still own this show with their controller alone.
Title: RE: Sony to show PS3 @ E3
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 16, 2005, 05:53:10 PM
$200 is the most i'll pay for a console.
Title: RE: Sony to show PS3 @ E3
Post by: blackfootsteps on May 16, 2005, 05:54:21 PM
It is all in the eyes. The Tekken guy has this glazed over expression!
The graphics do look lovely though, except for the body hair on the boxers in Fight Night, which doesn't seem to have received the same level of attention as the sweat shower. Granted it's not very important.
Title: RE: Sony to show PS3 @ E3
Post by: Spak-Spang on May 16, 2005, 05:59:11 PM
Ok. If you are not impressed with the PS3s showing, I call BS. I watched the video and the animation was great, and the games were realistic, but still felt somewhat surreal and that made it work.
I felt that the PS3 just completely outshined Xbox in showing...though I haven't seen much on their press conference yet. The controller looks stupid, but the system looks nice. Much better than X-box's new unit.
The games and company support was also quite amazing to see. Very smart of Sony to ask key developers to design the tech demos and such.
Grand Theft Auto as a launch game is brilliant and will sell millions in America. Much better than Perfect Dark 0, and I don't care if Halo 3 launchs same day. Grand Theft Auto is bigger.
Lucky for me. I hate those types of games, and I am much more interested in fantasy can cartoon worlds than realistic.
So Tommorrow Nintendo is going to blow me away.
I just hope they show the controller. I want to see what this new system is capable of.
Title: RE: Sony to show PS3 @ E3
Post by: PaLaDiN on May 16, 2005, 06:01:39 PM
The more realistic graphics get, the more we're all going to notice tiny little details that throw the whole thing off.
Title: RE: Sony to show PS3 @ E3
Post by: Spak-Spang on May 16, 2005, 06:10:39 PM
Paladin is correct. Even you had a perfect photo realistic model, the animation wouldn't look right. There are too many imperfections in human movement and in life that animators just can't get.
If you do for surrealism or abstract the characters in someway then your mind doesn't catch this error as much.
Also the more realistic the games get the less you will identify and bond with the character.
Master Chief from Halo is the worst character design I have ever seen. I have no feelings for that guy at all. If I could kill myself when I played I would because I could care less.
Title: RE: Sony to show PS3 @ E3
Post by: wandering on May 16, 2005, 06:16:56 PM
yep. Though, somehow, I was kind of thinking that this upcomming generation would look so good that tiny details would actually become less noticeable. I hate current-generation graphics....I think because they're quasy-photo-realistic, except with a horrible texture here, a jagged edge there, clipping over there, and robotic movement all over the place. Whereas with this new generation I thought playing games would kind of be like watching a pixar movie. I don't know, though. In order for that to happen I guess developers need to learn to create more stylized graphics. Actually, I think 360 games seem to be better in this regard.
Title: RE: Sony to show PS3 @ E3
Post by: Ian Sane on May 16, 2005, 06:19:58 PM
THAT'S that controller? Looks completely unusable. It's like Sony heard all the complaints about the Dualshock being non-ergonomic and said "Oh yeah! You ain't seen NOTHING yet!" I guess ergonomics are a Nintendo thing so they have to do the exact opposite.
"That's even worse than the PS2 launch lineup"
I don't recall the PS2 launch lineup having Metal Gear Solid or Devil May Cry. I'm not blown away but that lineup looks very solid. It's lightyears better than the PS2 launch.
The graphics look a whole lot better than the Xbox 360 stuff we've seen so far. But it's all more of the same. So far I'm just very bored with this next generation. There's nothing that really grabs me by the balls like in previous generations. Hopefully Nintendo will deliver.
Title: RE: Sony to show PS3 @ E3
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 16, 2005, 06:23:19 PM
I'm pretty psycked for Geist and Killer 7 and Zelda and I still gotta buy Pikmin2 =D
Title: RE:Sony to show PS3 @ E3
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 16, 2005, 06:29:36 PM
I don't know if you guys watched the conference stream (start somwhere around the 45 minute mark) but the Getaway demo was ....... well I thought it was a video of london until he pointed out the liscense plate problem(I know its not high quality video).
gonna go back to watching the conference now (1 hr 50 min long, but I'm just skimming through)
edit: GT5 is gonna look F#$%# amazing!!!!!!
Title: RE: Sony to show PS3 @ E3
Post by: PaLaDiN on May 16, 2005, 06:37:59 PM
Watch the Killzone part if you're looking to be impressed. Some of the tech demos are pretty cool too.
Title: RE: Sony to show PS3 @ E3
Post by: TMW on May 16, 2005, 06:47:21 PM
Is it just me...or is the PS3 kinda...bland.
Like they were trying a tad too hard to be sleek and sexy.
Title: RE: Sony to show PS3 @ E3
Post by: Renny on May 16, 2005, 07:11:35 PM
That's every Sony device. The PSP is pretty good by their standards.
Title: RE: Sony to show PS3 @ E3
Post by: Famicom on May 16, 2005, 07:13:07 PM
Well I just finished the whole conference. Snore fest for the first half, but I expected as much. The various accents of the speakers also made it hard on the ears too.
The games look fantastic. Unlike the MTV 360 showing, these games actually look next-gen worthy. I too also noticed that the genres were severely lacking. I didn't pay it much mind during the sequelitis demo reel, but when they showed off the new properties that threw up the red flags. There wasn't much innovation to be had, and "original" stuff was just kinda stupid (thinking of that game with the chick who uses as sword, has ninja fighting skills and weilds some sort of bazooka???). Killzone looked AMAZING. That's the one game out of them all that actually looked really fun to play. The others seemed like novel concepts to show off the system's power, but nothing that exudes 'fun'. Gran Turismo and that F1 game looked good also, but I'm not interested in racing sims so I don't have a comment on that.
Learning that it will be backwards compatible going back to PS1 leaves me feeling good since I never bought either PS1 or 2, and might spring for the 3 just to catch up on some old gems.
The hardware reminded me of my old printer/scanner/copier I had 9 years ago, only about 4x smaller. it's almost the exact same shape. That's a little offputting in my mind, but that aside I don't like it. Looks even more bland than the 360. But somehow that seems to fit Sony's streak of bland looking systems, so it's not that big a deal. The controller looks weak. I won't comment on the comfort, since we all know that the most uncomfortable looking controller might be quite the opposite. But the button layout looks pretty bad. I'd need to see a hands on demo to judge properly.
I think Microsoft has reason to be worried here. I'm not too worried that they can't match this graphically, but I get the impression that their system is incredibly rushed now. Halo 3 better be the super supreme ultimate combo of 2006 or else the DC parallels might come true. Nintendo though, the ball is in their court now. Sony had a good showing, but some real innovation should be able to top it. One fear I have is that Nintendo's demo reel most likely will consist of their star franchises, which are all cartoony or fantasy like in nature. Not exactly the best ways to show off how the hardware handles photorealism. Not that it matters to me (or to you all), but it might be a knock against what the Rev is capable of if it can't or won't showcase anything with photorealistic graphics. I hope a new franchise or some third party software comes around to help this out. Other than that, Ninty is in a real good position to top this if the SECRET is really revolutionary.
Title: RE:Sony to show PS3 @ E3
Post by: Dasmos on May 16, 2005, 07:24:34 PM
Man the PS3 looks damn fugly...........kinda looks like those old sandwich presses.
Although i was quite impressed by the game line-up
Title: RE:Sony to show PS3 @ E3
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 16, 2005, 07:30:12 PM
and if the Motor Storm game is what actual game play looks like....
Holy $#!7 !!!
Title: RE: Sony to show PS3 @ E3
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 16, 2005, 07:57:22 PM
I guess it's a requirement for next-gen games to have 1000s of characters on screen. Now I'm thinking, what's there for me to do with them other then kill them? Is each one an online persona? I'm not going online for this sort of thing. Am I going online at all?
Title: RE: Sony to show PS3 @ E3
Post by: Artimus on May 16, 2005, 08:20:11 PM
Having seen the stream I'm very impressed with the PS3 technically. But I cannot believe you can have a two hour system unveiling and not ONCE mention the controller. I've been wary of Nintendo's insistance on revolutionizing gameplay, but neither Sony nor Microsoft even showed their controllers up close! It's absolutely absurd that in four hours of unveiling neither controller was mentioned. There was like an hour on graphics and sound between the two, and not a single mention of control. I think that right there sold me on the Revolution. I like an FPS or war game, I like sports games and I like RPGs, but I don't want a system entirely full of them doing nothing new except looking pretty. I don't know how many times I heard 'immerse the player' or some form of that idea, but they didn't even mention the very thing we'll be touching!?
An industry that thinks like that has passed me by. I love pretty graphics, I love crisp displays, I love technology and gadgets, but by god I want to PLAY the games, not watch them!
Title: RE:Sony to show PS3 @ E3
Post by: Ian Sane on May 16, 2005, 08:28:59 PM
Seriously though as pretty as Killzone looks it's not like the series carries a long tradition of excellence or anything. It will probably look very nice and be okay but I doubt it's going to be a major killer app or anything.
Though I will admit that Killzone had AWESOME commercials.
Title: RE:Sony to show PS3 @ E3
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 16, 2005, 08:30:54 PM
Title: RE: Sony to show PS3 @ E3
Post by: Mario on May 16, 2005, 10:13:32 PM
Motor Storm looks REALLY GOOD technically (especially in the trailer), but i'm not convinced the game will be any fun to play, or look that good while you're playing it.
That F1 game is the game i'm interested in most, it looks INCREDIBLE in the trailer, I just hope they match that with the gameplay. I woudln't buy a PS3 just for that though.
The most intriging thing I thought was the Eye Toy / Cup in Water demonstation, that blew me away, I really want to try that.
Killzone also looks REALLY GOOD, but it's still just Kill Zone.
Title: RE: Sony to show PS3 @ E3
Post by: KDR_11k on May 16, 2005, 10:28:07 PM
Looking at Killzone that looks like either a heavy noise filter or an AO solution. AO won't work without raytracing and if that's it I doubt the PS3 an do that. No matter how powerful the Cell is, it can't be roughly 1000 times faster than my PC.
Title: RE:Sony to show PS3 @ E3
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 17, 2005, 12:54:22 AM
I can't even imagine what may be possible using the tech that was displayed with the eye-toy
Title: RE:Sony to show PS3 @ E3
Post by: BigJim on May 17, 2005, 01:59:26 AM
Heh. I was thinking George Foreman Grill. PS3 CUTS TEH FAT!!!1!
Title: RE: Sony to show PS3 @ E3
Post by: couchmonkey on May 17, 2005, 05:52:40 AM
Killzone: I know the first game sucks, but the graphics for the sequel look great, which is why it's worthy of mention. I'm questioning whether or not Sony's showing us real graphics, because what I've seen (admittedly not much) seems significantly better than most of the Xbox 360 offerings. Moreso than I expected.
PS3: I like the design - it's not great, but I think it has more flair than Revolution. I think it's amazing that Sony can offer three colours and make them all boring. But I guess that's what most people want.
Controller: Looks cool, and totally impossible to use. I can't really judge usability from pictures, though...I'm really interested to hear impressions of those controllers.
Games: Yes, both Sony and Microsoft have showcased one huge pile of blah in terms of games. Wow more racing games and FPS'...now I remember why I didn't buy an Xbox. I can't wait to see Nintendo's trailers...I hope they show something new.
Title: RE: Sony to show PS3 @ E3
Post by: Artimus on May 17, 2005, 05:56:40 AM
You LIKE the PS3 and hate the Rev? LOL! It looks like a friggin kitchen appliance! It's butt ugly!
Title: RE: Sony to show PS3 @ E3
Post by: nitsu niflheim on May 17, 2005, 06:36:18 AM
The PS3 looks like an evil answering machine/hybrid crap and the new controller design looks even cheaper than the Xbox360 controller.
Title: RE: Sony to show PS3 @ E3
Post by: couchmonkey on May 17, 2005, 11:07:41 AM
Yes, I like round stuff, as opposed to boring rectangles. I wish square designs would stay in the 1980s, where they belong.
Title: RE:Sony to show PS3 @ E3
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 17, 2005, 11:50:18 AM
I like the look of both the Rev & the PS3 (especially the black one)
but the Rev does look like I could slide it into a bay on my PC, they could add a little something to the look
Title: RE: Sony to show PS3 @ E3
Post by: Arbok on May 17, 2005, 12:03:41 PM
PS3>Revolution>Xbox360 in terms of looks, IMO. However, I give extra credit to the Revolution for the actual size of the console, compared to the beasts that the others are.
Title: RE: Sony to show PS3 @ E3
Post by: Mario on May 17, 2005, 11:49:08 PM
Title: RE: Sony to show PS3 @ E3
Post by: PaLaDiN on May 17, 2005, 11:57:50 PM
Half a grand for a console? No way. Who would buy that? Sony isn't that stupid.
Title: RE: Sony to show PS3 @ E3
Post by: nitsu niflheim on May 18, 2005, 03:42:11 AM
yes they are!
Title: RE: Sony to show PS3 @ E3
Post by: vudu on May 18, 2005, 09:08:20 AM
What's it say? I've already been tricked into clicking an IGN link once today. I refuse to do it a second time.
Title: RE:Sony to show PS3 @ E3
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 18, 2005, 10:26:02 AM
$465 for a PS3 it what is says
there is no way it will cost that much, remember what the PSP was supposed to cost before it launched, then it launched @ $250
Title: RE:Sony to show PS3 @ E3
Post by: Caustic Saint on May 18, 2005, 06:30:26 PM
It says:
Quote According a an article published in the May 17th edition of Japan's Mainichi Shimbun, the PlayStation 3 could be one of the most expensive mass-market videogame consoles ever created. Officials from Sony apparently told the newspaper that PlayStation 3s would sell in Japan for "less than 50,000 yen each." That translates to about $465 US dollars.
Honestly, if it can do everything they're claiming (and I'm a tad skeptical), it'll be worth it.
Plus, the PS2 launched at a price of 39,800 yen, and at that time, prices did not include tax. (As of April 1st, 2004, all listed prices must include the 5% sales tax.) So the PS2 launch price was really 41,790 yen. If the PS3 can do what they claim (there's that phrase again...), a launch price increase of around 8,000 yen (just over $75) is no big deal.