Post by: Flames_of_chaos on April 20, 2005, 11:57:52 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on April 20, 2005, 12:31:13 PM
First of all, although I have never played it, Advance Guardian Heroes got a fair bit of flack from fans for not being a worthy successor of the original. Now that's one game but it was Treasure's first direct sequel to one of their franchises so I think there's reason for concern. I want Gunstar Super Heroes to be a worthy sequel.
Second of all I'm concerned that current game trends may ruin the game because I see it all the time on the GBA. A lot of the time a developer will make a classic arcade style game on the GBA easier to appeal more to the general public. They also throw in unlimited continues and the ability to save anywhere and what's left is a two hour game that can be completed the first time you play it. Then to stretch out game length they throw in useless collectable crap and force you to play through the game multiple times with different characters.
Gunstar Heroes wasn't designed like this. It was designed to take several attempts to beat the game. The game length and replay value came from the difficulty and the fact that you hard to start from the beginning each time. The enjoyment came from improving your skills and getting a little bit further each time you played. This is what most games at the time were designed like and Gunstar Heroes benefited from the trends of the day. It would not benefit from the trends of today.
Though there is hope because Ikaruga, which was also developed by Treasure, got the classic formula right and didn't cater to modern trends. It was a shmup for shmup fans. Gunstar Super Heroes has to be a Gunstar Heroes game for Gunstar Heroes fans.
Post by: Bill Aurion on April 20, 2005, 12:36:19 PM
Post by: MrMojoRising on April 20, 2005, 01:33:49 PM
Post by: kirby_killer_dedede on April 20, 2005, 01:44:06 PM
Post by: Robotor on April 20, 2005, 03:47:43 PM
Post by: Djunknown on April 20, 2005, 05:29:07 PM
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Gunstar Heroes wasn't designed like this. It was designed to take several attempts to beat the game. The game length and replay value came from the difficulty and the fact that you hard to start from the beginning each time.
Sadly, that sort of game design is dated. Back when saving your game was considered a previalge, not a standard, it took some dedication (and a little luck) to go through most games. This is what forged most hardcore gamers today. Its something casual gamers, or gamers brought on Playstation/N64 probably won't understand. I feel like an old timer saying this...
As most people know, Treasure has a problem with consistency. Either they make a terrific game, or an average one. For every Ikaruga, there was Wario World. For Astro Boy, there was Advance Guardian Heroes. I sadly missed the Guardian Heroes phenomenon, but I have fond memories of Gunstar Heroes. They better not %$#! this up. I'll shake my dusty Genesis controller in anger
Post by: Ian Sane on April 20, 2005, 06:41:55 PM
Not dated. Perceived as dated by the ignorant. Dated design is cheap games where your character dies because their elbow makes contact with an enemy's ear off a poorly timed jump and half the difficulty is fighting with the limitations of the games. Dated is having enemies drop on you but not having the ability to shoot up. There are classic games that are dated but Gunstar Heroes is not one of them. If it's dated them all of 2D is dated and only a complete dolt would argue that.
Post by: TheYoungerPlumber on April 20, 2005, 09:28:01 PM
Post by: Blackknight131 on April 22, 2005, 07:54:29 PM
I havent played the original Gunstar Heroes, but I can say Im mega-excited for this new one. For one, the excitement of fans like many of you is papable...so I KNOW its a big deal.
Secondly, I loved Astro Boy as well as many of Treasure's games over the years.
This is, I beleive, their fourth effort on GBA hardware...Im excited to see what tricks they can pull out of their programming hats...and more importantly, what bosses ^ ^
Post by: Mr. Segali on April 23, 2005, 01:11:10 AM
Slightly offtopic: Has anyone played Alien Soldier? It's another Treasure game that didn't get the attention it deserved. It played pretty much like Gunstar on crack. It was boss after boss after boss (Seven Force being one of them). Me being the boss-whore I am, I thought it was a freaking masterpiece.
Post by: couchmonkey on April 25, 2005, 09:25:30 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on April 25, 2005, 10:55:13 AM
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Originally posted by: Mr. Segali
As long as Seven Force makes a comeback I'll be a happy camper.
Seven Force is dead, dead, dead... But it WOULD be nice to see Green make a return somehow...Or someone like him...
Post by: KDR_11k on April 26, 2005, 08:53:32 AM
Post by: amodaus on April 26, 2005, 08:15:55 PM
but Metal Slug was way better the gunstar, not to mention more brutal
Post by: WuTangTurtle on April 27, 2005, 01:00:17 AM
