Post by: Dirk Temporo on April 19, 2005, 03:34:35 PM
So far, I haven't seen anything that looks remotely official. It's all "It is possible that..." and "We've heard..." and "Nintendo might..." Until someone comes up with a direct quote from Satoru Iwata himself confirming this, I for one will not believe it. Or, maybe I'm just holding on desperately because I really, really want to see the Revolution in action in May.
What do you guys think?
Post by: Bill Aurion on April 19, 2005, 03:38:20 PM
All Ninty needs to do at this E3 is prove that traditional games are more than capable on the Rev...
Post by: Spak-Spang on April 19, 2005, 04:09:26 PM
Nintendo needs to make a big splash at this show. They need to take as much thunder away from Microsoft and Sony. Videos will not do that, because every new console will be showing videos. Many next generation games will be actually playable. (At least for the Xbox.)
In the very least Nintendo needs to explain its concept completely, and behind close doors demo the system to select media. Make them feel special and show appreciate to your press...it will pay off in the end.
Post by: Dirk Temporo on April 19, 2005, 04:24:13 PM
, to select members of the media. Example: One member from IGN, Gamespot, and each magazine that covers Nintendo. And also allow at least a few pictures to be taken, that way the select members will be able to tell us how it's played, show us what it looks like, and just give us a general overview of the system.We already know 100% that there won't be a playable at E3, but at least tell us what the controller looks like, right?
Post by: Zach on April 19, 2005, 04:40:03 PM
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Originally posted by: Dirk Temporo
I assume that most have you have probably heard the rumors/news that Revolution will not be making an appearance at E3, due to Iwata's "fear" that Sony and/or Microsoft will try to steal their ideas for the console.
One thing is absolutely for sure, nintendo will have something to do with the revelution at E3, If they didnt, i could just hear the casual gamers now "OMG OMG OMG NiNtEnDo is goin teh way of Sega!!! lolololololololololololololololol (Infinate lols here)"
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 19, 2005, 04:52:07 PM
Like Reggie said "E3 will not be the Revolutions coming out party", I honestly think they will save that for a seperate event when they will have the spotlight all on them. I'm guessing about a month or 2 or 3 before Xbox 360 is released, around Sept. or right when Zelda '05 is about to be released.
How about a Spaceworld 2005 for the official full unvieling of the Revolution? E3 is way too soon for something that won't be out for at least another year, year and a half.
Post by: Bill Aurion on April 19, 2005, 04:56:30 PM
Post by: slingshot on April 19, 2005, 05:24:36 PM
you might as well show it now, and let us play it. Who cares if the controller gets copied anyways. Wouldn't you
rather buy the console that originated an idea, instead of one that copied another idea?
Post by: Caillan on April 19, 2005, 05:44:53 PM
The article states that Nintendo is going to focus on Online at E3. I think this is a bad idea. They need to show and unveil it, but it shouldn't be the main focus. Nobody's going to be impressed when Iwata or Miyamoto show us their big plans, becasue the competition have been doing it for so long already. No-one's going to care because the XBox 2 and the PS3 are also being shown there.
Post by: Bill Aurion on April 19, 2005, 05:53:37 PM
Post by: kirby_killer_dedede on April 19, 2005, 06:01:24 PM
I propose some sort of conference this November where it will be playable. Away from the hands of Sony and Microsoft. Open to the press. (yes, IGN too)
Post by: Caillan on April 19, 2005, 06:04:42 PM
The press is going to be all over MS and Sony at E3 while Nintendo gets shafted again. They're just losing more and more mindshare. Right now they're going down while Microsoft is going up, and as the new XBox launches early they'll likely lose more of the console market. They need to make an impact with the Revolution, and screwing around while Sony and MS show everyone what they've got isn't going to help them. If you want to see how casual gamers/semi-gamers react to this, look at the normally pro-Nintendo comments on Slashdot.
Post by: Savior on April 19, 2005, 06:04:44 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on April 19, 2005, 06:13:25 PM
Um, what? It's the INTERFACE that's hasn't been finalized yet, not the hardware...
Post by: Strell on April 19, 2005, 06:19:34 PM
I mean, c'mon. How fully fleshed out and well maintained is XBL? Or, for that matter, something like Battlenet? MMORPGs?
There's absolutely no point to showing off online capability unless it's something so...*cough* revolutionary that it's going to change the way online gaming works. We'd have to be talking about something never seen before - ideas that no other developer, hardware or software, has implemented. Showing me Animal Crossing online is a nice idea and all (something I'm very hyped for), but shoveling it onto me at the biggest game show in the world and calling it ice cream isn't going to cut it.
Stop with this "copy us" mentality, please. The Xbox 360 is essentially done. The controller is set, the console is set. We have specs for god's sake. So even if Nintendo showed off something so outrageously awesome that other companies would froth at the mouth and quickly try to incorporate it, it would delay systems of their respective releases. I can imagine Microsoft going "OMGS ZERGLINGRUSH" when Nintendo shows off something new and then tries to put it into their system, and backlog their release another 6 months. Likewise, my guess is that the PS3 is further along in development than the Revolution. So even Sony would be crazy to scale back development because "we gotta get r dun from Nintendo."
I mean, hell, the Nintendo controller wasn't, and isn't, all that different from a Dualshock, and people hate the button layout. The digital click was COMPELTELY underutilized. But Nintendo thought they were giving us ambrosia. The controller is nice, yes, but it wasn't something supremely evolved and Sony and Microsoft didn't even bother to copy it. They just added more buttons, and as a result, some multiplatform games have more functions than the Gamecube copy (Beyond Good and Evil immediately comes to mind).
There's a good side to holding back, but from a pure console wars mentality, it's ridiculous. Nintendo can delay the system all they want, but at LEAST tell us what it can do. Or at LEAST show us something that it can do. We're all tired of waiting.
C'mon Reggie. Go kick some ass in Japan. I'll pay for your ticket.
Post by: zakkiel on April 19, 2005, 06:21:27 PM
If Nintendo doesn't have a revolutionary product, if it's just the same thing, then getting in the massive showdown right now would gain them little to nothing. Doesn't matter if Nintendo demos the exactly the same thing Sony's got, the narrative for this E3 in the media is set.
As for fallng behind, when the hell did Sony finalize its design?
All that said, I don't believe it's all-or-nothing and can't imagine why Savior does. I'm sure Nintendo will give closed-door presentations and probably some kind of tech demo. I just think they'd be smarter to save most of the unique ideas they may have until they can show how it works as a finished bundle, until they can say to everyone: it's not a gimmick. Here are the playable demos that show you how it makes gaming more fun. And here are the demos showing you it can also take on PS3's games, no problem.
Post by: Ian Sane on April 19, 2005, 06:22:36 PM
No one will steal Nintendo's idea for two reasons. 1. Sony and MS are showing off their consoles at E3. They're DONE. They CAN'T steal the idea with completely rehauling their designs and MS in particular doesn't have that much time. 2. No one cares. Everyone has counted Nintendo out and ignores them. If Nintendo's idea is hugely successful it will be so right under Sony's and MS's noses. I just think that Sony and MS are too damn arrogant to regard Nintendo's idea as a real threat. They'll think it's worthless and won't realize it's greatness (if it has any) until it's too late.
And even if they do steal it the damage of not showing anything (or not enough) is far worse. Nintendo has NO HYPE for the next console. Most of the media doesn't even acknowledge Nintendo's existence anymore. For all intents and purposes it's a two console race. After E3 we'll know about the 360 and we'll know about the PS3. The hype will be there and Nintendo just plain won't be noticed if they reveal the details later. Nintendo has to prove everyone wrong and "DUH we got nothing" won't do that. If anything it will just confirm that Nintendo is a non-factor in this coming generation. Plus what ELSE are they going to focus on at E3? It's not like there are a lot of Cube games down the pipeline. Plus the Rev is supposed to launch before the PS3 so it might launch in the first half of 2006 so it doesn't have that much more time left to show things off.
Though Bill has a point in that Nintendo just plain might not have much to show. They might not have enough finalized and they might not games far enough in design to be worth showing. But the question is why not. There's no excuse for them to not have anything solid ready yet. If they've got nothing they've got nothing but that's unacceptable. They're pretty much screwed if they don't have anything ready yet.
And if they do have something to show but don't people will assume it's because they have nothing to show.
Post by: Zach on April 19, 2005, 06:23:51 PM
Post by: Infernal Monkey on April 19, 2005, 06:36:39 PM
In this new dimension, people won't get all obsessive and emotional about every bit of Nintendo news the internet spews out (OH CRAP THEY MIGHT NOT SHOW THEIR UNDIES AT E3, 18 PAGE WHINGE) and there will be a new Pilotwings game. It'll have all the old sound effects and some bananas.
Post by: Mario on April 19, 2005, 06:37:11 PM
Post by: Caillan on April 19, 2005, 06:44:26 PM
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Caillan, I think it depends. Hype is (ha!) overrated at this point in the game. If Nintendo really believes it has a revolutionary product, it would make more sense to drop the bomb the following E3 and upstage Sony a few months before they release.
That's something they could do if they were in Sony's position. Right now nobody takes much notice of them so it won't work.
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As for fallng behind, when the hell did Sony finalize its design?
I don't know if it's finalised. A few late tweaks can always be expected. But both Microsoft and Sony are showing off their consoles before E3, so they must be pretty close to completion.
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Um, what? It's the INTERFACE that's hasn't been finalized yet, not the hardware...
I'll take it that 'interface' is Nintendo's new buzz word for controller. If they've got the bulk of it done and are just wondering if they should add a mic or whatever, they should show it anyway. Why not? Ian pointed out why nobody's going to take their ideas, and it's not like the competition set to work on stealing Mario's waterpack from Sunshine. On the other hand, if they haven't got most of it done, they're behind.
Post by: Savior on April 19, 2005, 06:48:33 PM
So it makes ZERO sense to show video clips and graphics, when Iwata has harked on and on on how these very same things dont matter
So really id like to see them show it, no one will copy them but if they wont show the selling point. DONT show it at all
Post by: Mario on April 19, 2005, 07:03:54 PM
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Originally posted by: Savior
Nintendos selling point is the interface and the gameplay
So it makes ZERO sense to show video clips and graphics, when Iwata has harked on and on on how these very same things dont matter
So really id like to see them show it, no one will copy them but if they wont show the selling point. DONT show it at all
You make zero sense. They can show footage of a game and if it's new enough there'll be something different in the way it's played, and we'll be like "what?! how are they doing that?". I can't really speculate how they could do my idea because I have no idea what the Revolution is, but you get the idea of my idea, it's an example.
Post by: Hostile Creation on April 19, 2005, 07:06:57 PM
Post by: Savior on April 19, 2005, 07:07:19 PM
Take Donkey Kong Jungle Beat
If you dont see people playing it with the Bongos, just see a clip of the game, would you know that its different? Or just another 2D DK plataformer?
The Next Xbox is done. Its going to be shown on the floor. Its too late for Microsoft to go into production and steal Nintendos ideas. So this paranoia, is just that. Paranoia
Post by: BigJim on April 19, 2005, 07:15:12 PM
Live demos and show floor playable games aren't necessary just yet. The games are far too early along anyway. Anything along the lines of a live Miyamoto demo would just be a huge bonus to me.
As for the competition stealing their ideas, the dev kits have GOT to come out shortly after E3. If Nintendo doesn't share the big secret at E3, MS and Sony will find out almost right away anyway because the secret will leak when the kits ship. Any fool should be able to assume this.
(As an aside editorial, being "different" is not as important as Nintendo thinks it is. So even if the idea is copied, their lunch isn't going to be eaten just because of that. Being "different" didn't work for GameCube. Why would it for Revolution?)
Also remember that Nintendo's comments on what they will or won't show were made BEFORE Sony and MS got into last week's pissing contest. The situation has changed. Nintendo may just be laying in wait to see what Sony and MS do first. I think they'll be capable of showing a lot, but they're not going to volunteer more than they have to.
All that being said, Nintendo has 3 platforms they need to cover in their presentation. You know there will be an extensive Zelda demo. You know there will be a wireless DS demo. Unfortunately, Revolution will likely be the last and lowest priority item, because at the end the the day, they need to make a case for their current lineup of products. But I am hopeful they'll impress us somehow anyway.
Post by: Hostile Creation on April 19, 2005, 07:16:03 PM
Mario is saying that they might not have to show the system to show the innovation, and that makes perfect sense. Even not with graphics, it can sometimes be determined in gameplay.
Post by: Caillan on April 19, 2005, 07:24:39 PM
Sony and Microsoft can't copy Nintendo's ideas for the Revoltuon because their systems are being unveiled before E3. They can't just revamp their design a few months before launch. Also, if it's something like the DS it will be neat but not something that everyone else wants to copy.
Post by: PaLaDiN on April 19, 2005, 07:48:43 PM
Nintendo had an awesome E3 last year and nobody cared except people who go to game sites. It had no noticeable effect on Nintendo's standing or sales.
Post by: BlackGriffen on April 19, 2005, 08:56:24 PM
Somehow, I doubt it.
Somebody needs to knock some heads together and take away the kool-aid over at NCL, because they've become the Howard Hughs of the gaming industry: once great, but now just whacky and paranoid.
BG
Post by: Mario on April 19, 2005, 11:00:54 PM
Post by: Dirk Temporo on April 20, 2005, 07:15:59 AM
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Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
Nintendo will most likely not show the controller or system to anyone of the press, but they will most-likely give a behind closed door presentation w/ NDA's to all the rest of the publisher & developers that aren't already sold on the Rev.
Like Reggie said "E3 will not be the Revolutions coming out party", I honestly think they will save that for a seperate event when they will have the spotlight all on them. I'm guessing about a month or 2 or 3 before Xbox 360 is released, around Sept. or right when Zelda '05 is about to be released.
How about a Spaceworld 2005 for the official full unvieling of the Revolution? E3 is way too soon for something that won't be out for at least another year, year and a half.
Spaceworld is an industry-wide thing in Japan. They aren't going to bring it back just for the Revolution.
If this turns out to be true, I'm going to be majorly disappointed, as well as many others. Most of us were looking forward to seeing the controller, agreed?
Post by: Ian Sane on April 20, 2005, 07:22:54 AM
Being different isn't important. What's important is being perceived as better. Super Mario 64 was copied. Tomb Raider ended up coming out around the same time and Crash Bandicoot and NiGHTS came out shortly after. Almost every company was making something inspired by Mario 64. But Mario 64 still crushed those other games in sales because it was clearly the best of all those games. It was perceived as the best. Sure in the end the N64 lost to the Playstation but that didn't happen until at least a year after launch and it had nothing to do with Super Mario 64 being copied. If anything the N64 survived because of Super Mario 64.
So let's say Nintendo reveals the big new feature and Sony and MS copy it. It won't matter if Nintendo has games that use this idea that just blow everyone away. If Nintendo has a good idea and has good ideas for using this idea being copied won't be that big of deal.
Of course this only works if they have good ideas. Connectivity didn't work because they thought of the concept but didn't release any games that made good use of it until years later.
Post by: TheYoungerPlumber on April 20, 2005, 10:37:54 AM
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I think you guys are putting a little too much stock in E3.
I think any promotional event can seem successful and not produce results. Sega did the MTV stuff years ago for the Dreamcast--look at Sega now! Obviously Mr. Moore thought Sega's work with MTV was successful, or else he woulldn't be doing it againg for Xbox 360. Xbox's first E3 was pretty poor compared to GameCube's showing. So anything can happen, no matter how good/bad a E3 showing is for Microsoft, Sony or Nintendo.
Post by: Nile Boogie on April 20, 2005, 11:15:43 AM
So it makes ZERO sense to show video clips and graphics, when Iwata has harked on and on on how these very same things dont matter
So really id like to see them show it, no one will copy them but if they wont show the selling point. DONT show it at all."
I agree whole-heartedly with this statement. I also believe if Nintendo shows nothing then you can just forget about Nintendo ever getting back to No#1. The grace period for failure in the console race is just about up for them. "We see anything less the leader in the interactive entertainment as a failure". Yet Nintendo has been making the same mistakes since the late 1990's. We, "The Followers of the Shroom™" have been down this road before. E3 wont be the end all, tell all but it will be very very important to the future of Nintendo. As unfair as it is, in today's world if you don't have the media-hype behind you, you're Decukf. When you don't have ºMedia-Hypeº behind you and you're trying to be no#1, you're dead. Hopefully I'm all wrong like most of the time.
50cent is ºMedia-Hypeº
Post by: zakkiel on April 20, 2005, 01:13:45 PM
QuoteBased on what? A crystal ball?
The grace period for failure in the console race is just about up for them
QuoteBased on what? Nintendo hasn't had media hype to speak of in four years at least, and they keep raking in cash.
As unfair as it is, in today's world if you don't have the media-hype behind you, you're Decukf. When you don't have ºMedia-Hypeº behind you and you're trying to be no#1, you're dead.
Post by: PaLaDiN on April 20, 2005, 03:39:44 PM
It would probably be better if they waited for the ridiculous amount of hype to cool down somewhat then had a grand unveiling somewhere else to whip up media frenzy. Plus, they'll be able to modify their console to better take on Sony and MS's claims.
It's all about first impressions.
Post by: Artimus on April 20, 2005, 04:32:32 PM
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Originally posted by: Dirk Temporo
Spaceworld is an industry-wide thing in Japan. They aren't going to bring it back just for the Revolution.
No...it's a Nintendo only show they stopped a few years ago.
Post by: BiLdItUp1 on April 20, 2005, 04:44:41 PM
Of course, this whole rant is based on a lot of ifs. So we just have to wait and see what really happens...
Post by: Nile Boogie on April 20, 2005, 05:06:59 PM
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Originally posted by: zakkielQuoteBased on what? A crystal ball?
The grace period for failure in the console race is just about up for themQuoteBased on what? Nintendo hasn't had media hype to speak of in four years at least, and they keep raking in cash.
As unfair as it is, in today's world if you don't have the media-hype behind you, you're Decukf. When you don't have ºMedia-Hypeº behind you and you're trying to be no#1, you're dead.
Market share is the only crystal ball I need. Nintendos' market share and more importantly, its fanbase is getting smaller every generation. Noa/japan seems to make the same mistakes everytime and for evey mistake made and promise broken they lose fanbase. What I mean by grace period is The Followers of the Shroom™ has allowed Nintendo to get away with the mistakes they make because we love them. Thier games put us where we need to be. He who is loyal shall stand but the grace of man is weak. " Nintendo hasn't had media hype to speak of in four years..." and they continue to grow smaller as others take up the slack.
But anyway, E3 is fun and it wont decide anything but hopefully it'll bring faith to those starting to think the last days of Link are soon to come.
Post by: ThePerm on April 20, 2005, 09:15:10 PM
it pisses me off because i grew up with Mario and its my culture. I just don't want Mario to go the way of Sinatra.
Post by: TheYoungerPlumber on April 20, 2005, 09:39:14 PM
Post by: Caillan on April 20, 2005, 10:02:27 PM
Post by: Switchblade Cross on April 20, 2005, 11:21:08 PM
And finally, have Iwata give us a small glimpse of the Revolution. Announce the offical name, and show some picutres, if not the actual console and controller. No need to go into huge detail of the console's feature and new interface, just let us know what they are. Then, show a teaser reel of game footage. After the reel ends, the President's final statement will be "Thank you all for coming this morning, and I hope to see you again this August in Kyoto for Spaceworld 2005."
If that last part does't get people hyped, I don't know what will.
Post by: The Omen on April 21, 2005, 04:06:26 AM
Nintendo should show it in action behind closed doors to a few gaming sites, who then have to sign papers stating they cannot reveal it for 6 months. This would enable Matt from IGN to drop hints like 'believe me, it'll be worth the wait'. Or "You won't belive you eyes" Which will start to gather some hype. Which will build up until Nintendo finally unviels it to the public.
Post by: Spak-Spang on April 21, 2005, 04:27:18 AM
Parents need to actually take control and watch what their kids play and such, but they don't because its too hard. They don't want to deal with their kids crying and throwing fits. And the parents feel, I can't watch them all the time. They will just play it at their friend's house. Well games, movies, music everything influences children. It won't make the kids into serial killers, but it does mess with them.
Now, back to E3.
(In next post)
Post by: Grant10k on April 21, 2005, 04:32:03 AM
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Originally posted by: The Omen
Does anyone here actually beleive that Sony or Microsoft have NO idea what Nintendo is doing? I'm fairly certain they have enough of an idea. Industry secrets are leaked ad nauseum. They probably look at it as" Why would we copy Nintendo?" Or, "It's too ambitious and may backfire, so we'll play it safe"
Nintendo should show it in action behind closed doors to a few gaming sites, who then have to sign papers stating they cannot reveal it for 6 months. This would enable Matt from IGN to drop hints like 'believe me, it'll be worth the wait'. Or "You won't belive you eyes" Which will start to gather some hype. Which will build up until Nintendo finally unviels it to the public.
If you start letting random people from game sites in on the secret, then there will be zero chance that it will remain a secret.
Most of Nintendo's great ideas have been copied in the past, you can't blame them for at least trying to protect their research. Let's take an example, a school science fair. Every year Nintendo makes an awsome project, and then Sony copies it. Sony is the popular kid and askes his friends to see his project and not look at Nintendo's project. Even if Nintendo's project is a little better, Sony takes away his thunder. Don't you think if Nintendo got a really good idea for the science fair, he might try a little harder to keep it a secret? If I keept getting copied year after year, I'd make damn sure that my research budget isn't aiding my competitors.
Post by: Spak-Spang on April 21, 2005, 04:37:12 AM
I still say Nintendo needs to show as much as possible at E3 concerning Revolution.
Here is why: Microsoft will be out this year. Sony will not allow MS a whole year to build marketshare. I predict Sony will launch next year in the summer. Possibly even before next E3. Nintendo must be ready for that possibility and be ready to launch as early as well. Or Nintendo needs to make the first strike and launch earlier than Sony plans. Make Sony completely last out of the gates and it becomes a huge uphill battle for Sony.
So what can Nintendo show? At the conference videos are a must. Then have somebody play the system for the audience explaining the system. What will they be playing Mario 128. Rumor has it that it has been pushed to the Revolution. I am willing to bet with all years spent on the game it would be presentable at the show, and it will truly rock.
Then let the press play Revolution backstage. Perhaps even have one single unit out for the general E3 attendent to play. I believe more and more that this is a must.
Nintendo must start building the hype. They must create a tidal wave image, such as this:
"Zelda is amazing at E3, but did you see how great online gaming with DS is. So much easier and more enjoyable than PSP. Oh and did you see the ultimate goodness of Revolution? Nintendo is coming back. Wow, are they ever coming back."
Post by: vudu on April 21, 2005, 09:00:13 AM
QuoteI believe you're thinking of the Tokyo Game Show, not Spaceworld.
Originally posted by: Dirk Temporo
Spaceworld is an industry-wide thing in Japan. They aren't going to bring it back just for the Revolution.
Post by: nickmitch on April 22, 2005, 03:35:33 PM
The best way to do that is show Reggie The Great plying behind a cutain and have a good hefty ammount of video.
Post by: kennyb27 on April 22, 2005, 06:28:37 PM
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Post by: RickPowers on April 22, 2005, 07:37:33 PM
Post by: Ian Sane on April 22, 2005, 07:49:33 PM
True and she is the master of that but why give a non-answer? Fans are anxious about the Rev so if they're planning on showing something substantial it would be in their best interest to let us know everything's cool and we have nothing to worry about. The non-answer to me suggest two possibilities. They either haven't decided what to do yet and don't want to promise anything or they aren't planning on showing much and a non-answer is a little better than "you're right, we're so going to disappoint you."
Post by: PaLaDiN on April 22, 2005, 08:02:10 PM
Post by: Savior on April 22, 2005, 08:20:43 PM
Anyways, according to IGN some dude will spoil it tomorow on his blog. So We wont have to wait till E3 for Revo news
Post by: slingshot on April 23, 2005, 05:44:12 AM
We reported recently that a rumor was swirling that the Nintendo Revolution is under such secrecy that the console wouldn't be making an appearance at next month's E3 in Los Angeles.
Today, we've gotten word through Fragland that Nintendo has confirmed the next-generation console will indeed make an appearance at E3. No confirmation if the console will actually be playable, but we'll keep our fingers crossed that it will.
Post by: Mario on April 23, 2005, 06:54:40 AM
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Anyways, according to IGN some dude will spoil it tomorow on his blog. So We wont have to wait till E3 for Revo news
I'm pretty sure you're wrong and it won't happen, but if that DID happen i'd be pissed off, I want the first time I see it to be live during the press conference, because it will be the best press conference ever. As for the "non-answer" from Kapplan that's because E3 is only A FEW WEEKS away so just wait and see, that was a stupid question from IGN (as usual), Nintendo want to surprise people during the conference, and I want them to surprise me.
Post by: BlackGriffen on April 23, 2005, 07:13:48 AM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
"Actually, Perrin gave the perfect example of a non-answer and nobody anywhere's any the wiser about anything for it."
True and she is the master of that but why give a non-answer? Fans are anxious about the Rev so if they're planning on showing something substantial it would be in their best interest to let us know everything's cool and we have nothing to worry about. The non-answer to me suggest two possibilities. They either haven't decided what to do yet and don't want to promise anything or they aren't planning on showing much and a non-answer is a little better than "you're right, we're so going to disappoint you."
It's kind of funny, but I reached the exact opposite conclusion. If the news is bad, they want to get it out there and done with now. Otherwise, it will cast a pall over everything else they're showing. Therefore, I have three guesses about what is going on: it's still in the air (as you suggested), they're going to show something and reveal some more specs, or they'll go playable demos. I find the second to be most likely, given Nintendo's penchant for secrecy. The last is also possible for the following reason: even if the revolutionary feature is the controller, backward compatibility with the GameCube means that Rev games can be made that, at least for the length of a demo, are playable with GameCube controllers. Now, there's still the open question of if the Rev achieves that playability by also being backward compatible with the GC controllers. If true, then I can see a lot of ports requiring the GC controllers, which is a pain, so let's just hope it's not.
That said, realistically this is about what I expect: a few more tech specs, a Spaceworld 2000 style demo video that may or may not include some non-revolutionary feature revealing game-play, a final name, and a picture of the console itself - even if the controllers are kept under wraps. More than that would be gravy. Less would be insulting. Even if Nintendo is paranoid about keeping the new feature(s) under wraps, as Reggie said, "Graphics are the price of entry." So Nintendo needs to at least prove that their system will be able to go toe-to-toe in that department (demo vid and specs), and it can do so without revealing what's so revolutionary about it. The bare all that includes game-play demos will likely happen at TGS.
I'd be willing to go further and say that less would be very damaging for Nintendo.
BlackGriffen
Edit to add: If you want lessons on how a secretive company that likes to wow people is run, look no further than Apple computer. Steve Jobs, Apple's CEO, never delivers bad news in his "Steve-note" presentations. The bad news always comes out in advance to prevent people's expectations from becoming too high. That way, Apple's stock price doesn't fall when Apple fails to live up to the hype. If Nintendo has any brains, they should run things the same way. It's tough to judge, however, because Nintendo only has to do this stuff once per generation (~5 years) whilst Apple has to do it far more often, making it easier to put together a pattern of behavior.
Post by: wandering on April 23, 2005, 02:17:27 PM
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True and she is the master of that but why give a non-answer? Fans are anxious about the Rev so if they're planning on showing something substantial it would be in their best interest to let us know everything's cool and we have nothing to worry about.
Well, hopefully Nintendo is learning it's better to lower expectations and then blow people away, rather than raise expectations and then wind up disappointing people.
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Steve Jobs, Apple's CEO, never delivers bad news in his "Steve-note" presentations. The bad news always comes out in advance to prevent people's expectations from becoming too high.
Yeah, apple's the best. Speaking of which, if some rumors turned out to be true, maybe the Revolution will be unveiled at the next MacWorld instead of E3?
Post by: zakkiel on April 23, 2005, 03:06:09 PM
Post by: Savior on April 23, 2005, 04:04:13 PM
Lets just say it sounds "expensive". Expensive for Nintendo that is. Dont know if its gonna be true or not. Sounds interesting though
Post by: zakkiel on April 23, 2005, 05:11:23 PM
Post by: PaLaDiN on April 23, 2005, 05:17:30 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on April 23, 2005, 05:20:43 PM
The system will in fact be shipped with wireless control. Whether or not there will be physical ports for old wired GCN controllers…Thats still an open debate. The controllers will NOT have a built in touch screen. The controller will have a removable “palm”, as I like to call it, that will function as a gyroscopic interface for specific games. As for the big “revolutionary” concept… The system comes equippeed with a short ranged wireless mapping camera that will somehow make the software “adapt” itself to your surroundings. How this will be applied to the games..All I know is that its something that will be used differently for each game utilizing it hence why I emphasized my pal’s “SOUNDS cool…but what about the games.” So there you go folks..I assure you we will see much much more in a few weeks at E3.
But what's funny is that this most likely WASN'T the Broken Saints guy that posted it...So take everything with a truckload of salt as always...
Post by: PaLaDiN on April 23, 2005, 05:41:16 PM
Post by: Artimus on April 23, 2005, 06:20:28 PM
Post by: PaLaDiN on April 23, 2005, 06:30:34 PM
I mean, if we're going to have conspiracy theories, we should go all the way.
But like Bill and I said, it most likely wasn't him.
Edit: "Urgh, Paladin...WRONG. SnsoryOverload is some random reader who simply used 'Admin' as the submit name. All you have to do is enter 'Admin' as your name and you can post as 'Admin' too. SnsoryOverload has nothing to do with the site. His announcement was a joke, posing as the real admin. The announcement has yet to be made."
I was throwing another (tongue-in-cheek) level of complexity out there. What proof do you have that Admin and SnsoryOverload are the same person? All you have is SnsoryOverload's word for it.
zakkiel, yup, just wait.
Post by: zakkiel on April 23, 2005, 06:53:07 PM
Post by: Artimus on April 23, 2005, 08:43:07 PM
Post by: IceCold on April 23, 2005, 08:55:44 PM
Oh, and Bill, I've wanted to ask you this for a while, but I keep on forgetting. You're signature is "Nyanya Zelda!" and I was just curious what Nyanya means. I'm originally from Africa, and in Swahili it means grandmother. I'm sure that it isn't what yours means, but I was just wondering.. (is it Japanese?)
Post by: Don'tHate742 on April 23, 2005, 09:47:36 PM
Post by: Savior on April 23, 2005, 10:12:17 PM
I was so exited about the posibility of new info
Post by: Don'tHate742 on April 23, 2005, 10:36:38 PM
I'm geussing no....
Post by: slingshot on April 24, 2005, 05:49:13 AM
But, Immersion will not play a part in home gaming. It would be cool the first time you played it, but it would get very old, very fast without the diversity of levels.
As I've stated before, Immersion has its future in real life advertising, retail, real world interactivity. If it branches off a bit, it has gaming potential. It will need to be able to put gamers into the game to interact with the digital world, rather than game elements into the real world. That would be awesome. We would have to wear some sort of wireless equipment like what is used in motion capture, but very light weight, that could be picked up by cameras. I still don't know how running would be taken into account.
Anyways Nintendo isn't going to do this stuff.
Post by: Bill Aurion on April 24, 2005, 06:24:15 AM
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Originally posted by: IceCold
Oh, and Bill, I've wanted to ask you this for a while, but I keep on forgetting. You're signature is "Nyanya Zelda!" and I was just curious what Nyanya means. I'm originally from Africa, and in Swahili it means grandmother. I'm sure that it isn't what yours means, but I was just wondering.. (is it Japanese?)
Yep, it's the Japanese onomatopoeic for a cat's meow...
