Post by: nemo_83 on April 14, 2005, 06:47:00 AM
http://www.demo.com/demo2/demonstrators/novint.html
http://www.demo.com/demo2/demonstrators/video/novint.asx
This all raises several questions. Will the REV be backwards compatible with GameCube controllers?
According to this new concept art it will be. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v352/darkslave/revolutionart.jpg
This is fake of course. Nintendo would not undercut their new product that way. For example, they could easily map the GameCube's finger functions onto the handle of a haptic controller. Why waste time putting GameCube ports on the system. The Cube pad is already seen as inferior and supremly ugly compared to current pads, and it would be useless compared to next generation pads with its assymetrical nature and shortage of buttons. The Cube pad was once thrown into the ugly tree and hit most every branch on the way down. Most importantly I feel Nintendo is going to deliver a controller with new force feedback technology that will prevent it from either using the Cube controller ports or being standard wireless without the option of being able to plug into the console and charge the controller while continuing to play the game. I just think something using multiple gyros or haptics or both is going to give you a reason to plug into the console because your batteries will drain so fast. I believe they need to define the difference between the handheld market which is wifi and very portable, and the console market which should take advantage of the gamers' stationary condition when gaming.
Now the big question. Will GameCube games be forward compatible with the REV graphics, free online, rumored harddrive, and controller. It is already confirmed that the REV will be backwards compatible with the Cube software, but the specifics of this have not been revealed. Will we be able to use the REV controller to swing the sword freely in Zelda? Will we be able to take advantage of the haptic technology to aim in Metroid Prime? The REV controller will have to be able to play current GameCube games for the system to be backwards compatible. And developers and gamers will want games to be able to be ported from the systems featuring normal game pads. The REV will be launching with what could be argued the most solid launch lineup of all time. The only system to launch with Zelda, Metroid, MGS, RE, Mario, Sonic, FF, Pokemon, Phantasy Star, Star Fox, Fzero, Star Wars, Mario Kart, SSB, and the list goes on and on. That is not even including what will be true launch games for the REV. If we could use the new REV controller and the free online with Cube games it would give us, the Nintendo fans, a reason to be excited the system will be able to play the games we already own.
I can imagine the launch lineup now. Resident Evil 5 and Super Mario Bros. 5 on the Nintendo Entertainment 5ystem in 2005.
perhaps
NF = Nintendo Five
NF = Novint Falcon
NE5
I don't know just taking a guess in the dark.
Post by: Bill Aurion on April 14, 2005, 07:12:54 AM
Controller, yes...Harddrive, dunno...Rev graphics, not going to happen, as the technology just isn't worth it...Online? You gotta be kidding...It's not programmed into the games...
Post by: Pale on April 14, 2005, 07:25:31 AM
I LIKE IT!
=)
Post by: nemo_83 on April 14, 2005, 08:00:43 AM
I was assuming that Nintendo's noline would work similar to the DS's noline LAN gaming allowing any LAN Cube game to run LAN over the internet.
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Post by: nemo_83 on April 14, 2005, 11:33:33 AM
Post by: nemo_83 on April 14, 2005, 11:34:41 AM
Both pics of the Revolution concept hardware are in another topic on this board
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 14, 2005, 12:29:37 PM
P.S. Nemo - you like to post alot of links, do you think you could make them all hot links so that we can all just click on them instead of copy/paste?
Post by: GamecubeBoy05 on April 14, 2005, 01:12:05 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on April 14, 2005, 01:14:35 PM
Post by: kirby_killer_dedede on April 14, 2005, 01:39:43 PM
anyway.
holy crap...that last link looks...authentic. and frankly, it is extremely sexy.
Post by: Stimutacs Addict on April 14, 2005, 03:19:53 PM
but I'd wager Six hundred and sixty-six American dollars that it wont use haptic technology
Post by: nemo_83 on April 14, 2005, 09:55:09 PM
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Originally posted by: Stimutacs Addict
nemo... The Rev wont use haptic technology. I can almost guarantee it (actually i can't).
but I'd wager Six hundred and sixty-six American dollars that it wont use haptic technology
I would take that bet, but Nintendo may chose to emulate haptics rather than seek a liscence with a company as MS has done with Immersion for their haptic technology.
Post by: ThePerm on April 14, 2005, 09:58:04 PM
Nintendo Announces New Controllers will use haptic technology
Post by: nemo_83 on April 14, 2005, 11:19:27 PM
Post by: slingshot on April 15, 2005, 03:59:16 AM
I love the Cube controller! I still don't understand why people say it has a shortage of buttons. I have NEVER played a
game on the Cube that used all of the buttons. Why do we need them all? Why have 64 buttons when you don't them?
7 buttons and 2 analogs and a D pad- I don't need more- in fact less is more- Give me a gyro type controller so
that we can loose one of the analog sticks. You really only need a main action button, and a secondary- and then a few
others for your fighters and space flight games that shoot missles etc. I liked the old style fighters that you had to do
button combos and press "up+B" to do moves. Do you really want 20 buttons so that one button is only good for one
move?
looks like 5 weeks and counting to E3
Post by: Spak-Spang on April 15, 2005, 04:29:34 AM
I like the Cube Controller, but I think the design of controller can be improved upon.
I really do not see the point of using a Haptic technology without using gyroscopes. I don't care if I feel my games or not...it will just become like the rumble pack and big ignored when done poorly. However, if I am using Gyros to move my hands, then Haptic technology might be worth it. It be able to "feel" movement and such.
Post by: Ian Sane on April 15, 2005, 07:24:45 AM
So you've never played the Metroid Prime games or Pikmin 2 or Rogue Leader? There are some amazing games on the Cube that use all of the buttons.
I don't understand why there are so many people here in support of limiting controller options. You remove anything from the Cube controller and right away you're limiting the types of games that appear on the console. If a developer feels he needs 8 buttons, a d-pad, and two analog sticks he's going to make his game to use those controls and he's not even going to consider using the Rev over the competition if the Rev's controller is intentionally restrictive in its design.
Post by: Queen of the Internet on April 15, 2005, 09:52:25 AM
Post by: trip1eX on April 15, 2005, 10:04:37 AM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
"I have NEVER played a game on the Cube that used all of the buttons."
So you've never played the Metroid Prime games or Pikmin 2 or Rogue Leader? There are some amazing games on the Cube that use all of the buttons.
I don't understand why there are so many people here in support of limiting controller options. You remove anything from the Cube controller and right away you're limiting the types of games that appear on the console. If a developer feels he needs 8 buttons, a d-pad, and two analog sticks he's going to make his game to use those controls and he's not even going to consider using the Rev over the competition if the Rev's controller is intentionally restrictive in its design.
Yeah I agree with you there. Some games will make use of the extra buttons and sticks. Other games that want to have simple controls don't have to use them all. Hell Kirby's Air Ride used just the stick and the Green button. You can't get a lot simpler than that. Unless it's just one button for the whole game which I think is something Nintendo thinks about. Sometimes I think they are trying to outsmart themselves.
Anyway you can get simpler controls outta of a fairly complicated controller if you want. But not the other way around.
Post by: ThePerm on April 16, 2005, 10:31:03 AM
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Post by: trip1eX on April 19, 2005, 10:13:45 AM
old news I guess. But perhaps by looking in the past you will find some solid evidence as to what will be coming in the future.
Post by: nemo_83 on May 26, 2005, 01:04:19 AM
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Post by: Don'tHate742 on May 26, 2005, 06:40:59 PM
I always hated how you could only aim in 8 directions when playing Contra. There are soooooo many times in that game where I wish I could of used an analog stick. If you've played it, then you know what I'm talking about....
I don't know about gyros though.
Post by: BigJim on May 27, 2005, 08:58:32 AM
First, it implies that the virtual console aspect isn't just a cool thing Revolution can do. It sounds like an important strategic move if they're going to base part of the controller design around it.
What about a modular design? Keep the left side's D-pad and control stick... but the right side detaches, and you can swap it with other button configurations or features?
It sounds a bit too Frankenstein, but it was the first thing I thought of. Just yacking out loud.
Post by: nemo_83 on May 27, 2005, 09:15:56 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v695/nemo_83/ne5xy.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v695/nemo_83/ne5.jpg
It is easy to get all the button functions on the controller. Fourteen buttons is more than enough; but I was thinking of changing the center; maybe putting a dpad there.
Post by: Ian Sane on May 27, 2005, 09:27:30 AM
The game doesn't just aim in 8 directions because of the d-pad. It's programmed to play that way. They would have to add extra code to get it to be fully analog and I imagine they would have to add numerous frames of animation. That's just too much work for a downloadable NES or SNES game.
Those games are designed for digital control so there would be no advantage to using anything like an analog stick or a gyro or whatever. Games that use digital control work best with digital input like a d-pad.
"Now imagine playing it like Konga"
Bleh. It would an unplayable mess. I haven't played that much DK: Jungle Beat but from what I have played the game is a complete clusterf*ck. The controllers are the most illogical thing I've ever encountered. It's quite clear to me that Nintendo's thinking with that game was "let's make a platformer WITH BONGOS". That game is the very definition of creative controls over functional controls.
Post by: TheYoungerPlumber on May 27, 2005, 11:41:07 AM
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Post by: Stimutacs Addict on May 28, 2005, 07:37:44 AM
actually; with all that sweet DS software they showed; i don't know how the hell I'm going to keep my grades up this falll
