Post by: wandering on April 09, 2005, 03:43:07 PM
Here's what I want:
A bright color for the console itself (that isn't purple).
..to differentiate itself from the Competition. Personally, I'd like a nice Dreamcast white. Though silver would be cool. A reflective top would be even cooler.
The return of the color red.
After GameCube's bright-purple fiasco, Nintendo seems to have gotten the idea that they should try to eliminate all color from its consoles and marketing. GameCube's official color is now grey. This is a bad idea. Everybody hates grey. Case in point: Apple didn't become popular until they switched from dull gray to bright white, light blue, and silver.
Nintendo needs an official color this time around: PS2 is blue, XBOX is green, I think Nintendo should be red. Though they've dabbled with light blue recently (panasonic q, DS marketing), and that would work too.
The return of N-64-style curves.
Boxes are boring. Actually, I'd like the console to be completely round....something like the base of the g4 imac.
Lights!
I loved the lights surrounding the panasonic q, and think this thing should light up wherever possible. Have a light in the console's underbelly that lights up when the console's on. Have a light that surrounds the start button and throbs when it's time to press start. Have lights around the controller ports that throb when a controller needs to be plugged in (if there'll even be controller ports this time around.)
Handle!
If the powermac g5 has a handle, the revolution can have a handle. It just needs to look cool.
Smaller footprint.
Don't get the wrong idea from GameCube. There is nothing wrong or 'uncool' with a console being small and sleek. However, this time around, the box that the console comes in needs to be at least the same size as the competition's (in America).
A mentioning of Japan.
Japan is ridiculously popular right now. Have a 'Designed by Nintendo in Kyoto, Japan' sticker somewheres. And, if you want to get really crazy, use a 'approved by master game designer shigeru miyamoto' sticker.
A mentioning of power.
I don't care how revolutionary the console is, I don't care if it can't render as many polygons as the PS3, on the packaging and in the commericials it needs to be touted as an extremely powerful console.
Good advertising.
I can't really say too much about ads until the console is revealed.
...Early advertising that leads you to believe there's some sort of actual revolution would be cool, though. I'm imagining white text on red background that says "JOIN THE REVOLUTION! www.therevolutioniscomingandyoucantstopit.com"
Later ads should put the console and it's graphics center stage. The console itself should turn heads this time around, so the advertising won't have to hide it.
Thoughts?
Post by: Bill Aurion on April 09, 2005, 04:08:30 PM
Wait, hold up........Huh!?
I don't care how revolutionary the console is, I don't care if it can't render as many polygons as the PS3, on the packaging and in the commericials it needs to be touted as an extremely powerful console.
This is Nintendo...Humbleness comes first whether anyone likes it or not...The fact that even Reggie has been talking about how much more important the innovations of the Rev are compared to the graphics illustrates this point...
There is nothing wrong or 'uncool' with a console being small and sleek. However, this time around, the box that the console comes in needs to be at least the same size as the competition's (in America).
Seeing a giant box is actually a turn-off for me...
A lot of these things just aren't practical and/or are just plain silly, outside of marketing, which Reggie has already mentioned...
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 09, 2005, 04:11:04 PM
The return of the color red.
The return of N-64-style curves.
Smaller footprint.
Reggie says
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One thing the GameCube taught us is the importance of pleasing as many different types of gamers in the market as possible. For example, the physical design of the hardware itself was a bold attempt by us to do this -- to make a system that is stylish in its own way and that will fit in well with a family living room. In hindsight, the color choice and box design may not have been as helpful in achieving that goal.
Sony and Microsoft both aimed the design of their systems toward the one-color scheme with a purely masculine feel. But with that came their own issues, including constant comments about the size of the systems -- especially the Xbox, which for some time, was teased as being as big as a tea table for consumers in Japan. So, lessons learned for all, I think.
Post by: Don'tHate742 on April 09, 2005, 04:42:29 PM
It's shiny green (very attractive I might add) with a big clear LCD right in the middle of it. It shows what controllers are connected (wirelessly of course) and also tells you what game is in.
Without further adue (sp?):
here
Post by: Dasmos on April 09, 2005, 04:43:48 PM
Post by: Pale on April 09, 2005, 04:44:44 PM
for wanting the Rev to be an overpriced fashion accessory.
Post by: nemo_83 on April 09, 2005, 05:25:57 PM
Post by: Artimus on April 09, 2005, 06:07:56 PM
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Originally posted by: PaleZer0
This thread loses for wanting Nintendo to be more like Apple...
Ever used an Apple computer? Especially their laptops. Beautiful machines with amazing insides.
I'd like to see Nintendo team up with Apple, actually.
Post by: nickmitch on April 09, 2005, 07:43:38 PM
The younger aimed commercials should be simple: "Most powerful nintendo console ever!" "Change the way you play." Then the constant: "Join The Revolution" and aim the commercials more towards the fun factor.
Now, for the older crowd, show off the graphic and processing power that the youngins wouldn't understand. Go in to specifics instead of brief generlizations and don't use catchy phrases to sell to the older crowd.
Software advertising would have to work completely differently from this but still have some kind of link between them. Like pirates, for example. Having pirates talk about the console in one commercial; and then in another, have them talk about the games. Or just have them say "Join the Revolution" at the end.
I also think that Reggie should be in some of the commercials as it is could that fans have a physical being that they can follow and worship. Having Reggie delever all of Nintendo's good news would make people stand up and listen whenever he spoke (if they didn't already).
Better idea: Just have Reggie come on and say "Join the Revolution" at then end.
Post by: PowerHair on April 09, 2005, 07:47:25 PM
We all know Apple computers are the best.
Post by: Bill Aurion on April 09, 2005, 08:46:49 PM
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Originally posted by: ArtimusQuote
Originally posted by: PaleZer0
This thread loses for wanting Nintendo to be more like Apple...
Ever used an Apple computer? Especially their laptops. Beautiful machines with amazing insides.
I'd like to see Nintendo team up with Apple, actually.
I've used an Apple computer...Their Powerbook laptops are hunks of junk...
Post by: Ian Sane on April 09, 2005, 09:25:13 PM
Well that's kind of the point. Humbleness in advertising isn't very effective. Sure that's probably how they'll act but we're talking about what they should do not what they will.
I think the important thing is the Rev looks like a piece of electronics. The Cube looks like a toy. Personally I like toys so the I thought the Cube design was kind of cool but few people are like me. Why discourage sales with something as silly as appearance? Make it look high-tech and gadgety. I think the design should be aimed more for adults. Kids find adult stuff cool. Adults don't find kids stuff cool. It's just common sense to go for something 100% of the population will tolerate than something that only a part of it will. And if NCL wants to go with some wacky thing that won't fly outside of Japan then change the design for the North American market. The NES and Famicon looks totally different so there's no rule the design has to be universal. Sure it will raise costs but I think the extra cost is worth not sabotaging sales just because NCL lives in a bubble.
I think colours are great and should stay. The imporant thing is just that the colour that is focused on in ads is neutral. White, silver, grey, black. These are non-offensive colours everyone is cool with. Once you focus on something else people assume the console is focused more on specific groups. Case in point purple carries symbolism in North America that superfiscial young males don't find particularly flattering. A purple colour as an option is great but as the main colour is just stupid. I don't know how the entire company of NOA was so clueless as to not figure out that purple was not a good main colour particularly when they had black units RIGHT THERE so it's not like they were stuck.
For marketing I think "join the Revolution" is a great slogan. It has this feeling like everyone's on board and you're being invited to join this new movement. It sounds exciting. I immediatly think of people running through the streets for some reason. Remember that N64 ad that had all these people in different colours running through the streets and in between they shilled specific games? I think something like that would be really effective. Obviously though there should be a fair bit of game footage (GOOD footage) in between to show off the graphics.
With a name like Revolution the ads just write themselves. You could paint Sony as an oppresive government forcing us to conform to boring games and then paint Nintendo as the "Revolution" of rebels overthrowing the oppresive Sony and regaining their crown. It's aggressive and promotes Nintendo's innovative game ideas and it's like a call-to-arms for Nintendo fans. We're taking games BACK. That sort of thing.
Post by: Savior on April 09, 2005, 10:17:26 PM
2.The Next box is probably white seing the stuff from our colony so White should be out
3.Silver is Very popular. Sold like hot cakes as a GCN option. Is the only DS option in US. I like Silver.
Silver, Sleek, with LED/Lights. Preferably Red ones. Silver and Red
Oh and I like something like Long Live The Revolution, or the Revolution will not be televised stuff like that.
Give a single color that stands out initially maybe later give gamers options
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I'd like to see Nintendo team up with Apple, actually.
Not a bad idea. Except its an American company. Nintendo is still Japanese centric
Post by: Truthliesn1seyes on April 09, 2005, 11:25:49 PM
As for design, go with a silver or platinum color. Have it's shape resemble the old NES, somewhat squared but slimmer and sleaker. A disk drive would come out the front of it but the slot would resemble the old slot for the NES in shape lol. The Power and Rest buttons would be on the left as before but the words Power and Reset would be lit up in bright red LED lights. The system would read Nintendo Entertainment System again and on the top would read NE5. NE5 would be the logo and would be similar to NES but still have N5 to symbolize the current generation of Nintendo systems.
As for marketing, this could be done many ways if they take this retro angle. They could use commercials similar to the few we've seen for the GBA NES games. In those they play oldschool music and the scene is forever changing from real life to the game world. With this look they can recapture some of their old fans that grew up with Nintendo. Also, if they want to take gaming back to a simpler time, where it was pick up and play for everyone, this could be a good look for them.
Post by: Grant10k on April 10, 2005, 12:22:58 AM
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With a name like Revolution the ads just write themselves. You could paint Sony as an oppresive government forcing us to conform to boring games and then paint Nintendo as the "Revolution" of rebels overthrowing the oppresive Sony and regaining their crown. It's aggressive and promotes Nintendo's innovative game ideas and it's like a call-to-arms for Nintendo fans. We're taking games BACK. That sort of thing.
Sounds farmiliar...."1984"
Post by: TheYoungerPlumber on April 10, 2005, 01:23:41 AM
I predict the Revolution name will stay. Nintendo clearly knows it has a marketing ring to it. Heck, I suggest "Nintendo" is dropped from the title (though that will never happen). Notice how Microsoft downplayed itself with the Xbox. Amlost all PR Jargon goes: "____ for the Sony PlayStation 2, Nintendo GameCube and Xbox from Microsoft". Microsoft has a somewhat negative subtext of the giant corporation. Nintendo has a subtext of childishness they could partially shrug off with some "mature" titles at launch and a system called "Revolution."
They hardly have to pretend not to be Nintendo, and can still go for a retro angle in commercials, but I'm not convinced retro is the proper angle for a fancy new technology. The GBA SP was basically an old-school system by design, and retro marketing was a great tactic for the system. Familiar franchises like Mario and Metroid haven't done much for mainstream interest in the GameCube.
Post by: Dasmos on April 10, 2005, 02:24:24 AM
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Originally posted by: Truthliesn1seyes
What I would like to see is a retro look. I know I've mentioned it before in these forums but might as well say it again since it relates to this topic.
As for design, go with a silver or platinum color. Have it's shape resemble the old NES, somewhat squared but slimmer and sleaker. A disk drive would come out the front of it but the slot would resemble the old slot for the NES in shape lol. The Power and Rest buttons would be on the left as before but the words Power and Reset would be lit up in bright red LED lights. The system would read Nintendo Entertainment System again and on the top would read NE5. NE5 would be the logo and would be similar to NES but still have N5 to symbolize the current generation of Nintendo systems.
As for marketing, this could be done many ways if they take this retro angle. They could use commercials similar to the few we've seen for the GBA NES games. In those they play oldschool music and the scene is forever changing from real life to the game world. With this look they can recapture some of their old fans that grew up with Nintendo. Also, if they want to take gaming back to a simpler time, where it was pick up and play for everyone, this could be a good look for them.
The sytem is code-named the revolution, fulfilling your idea would not reveloutionary at all. It would be cool no doubt, but it would seem that they are backstepping trying to hold onto the past too much.
Nintendo are trying to create a new way to play games and if they keep dwelling on the past, wanting things to be like before this "revolution" will never happen.
I know having the revolution "look" like the NES doesn't change what the system does, it would just seem to be a bad angle to shoot for in my opinion.
Post by: BigJim on April 10, 2005, 05:26:08 AM
As for shocking, I envision the Revolution being very small, but sleek. Similar to the size of the Mac Mini, but more rectangular. About the size of a dictionary. The guts can be cooled like a laptop, with a heatpipe-type design that exhausts out the side or back.
Post by: slingshot on April 10, 2005, 05:41:20 AM
shell from the inside, so that you can't see it at first, but when you turn on the system, an erie white-blue glow illuminates
the entire console from within, and the logo becomes visible. All LED would be a Yellow-Green, or Orage. and there could
be some sort of glowing rings of light around the controller connection port that are a ghostly white (just like in the pic
above- which I think is the coolest I've yet seen- but I didn't like the color green- it was too XBOX-Y
Post by: Pale on April 10, 2005, 06:33:31 AM
QuoteUgh, for the sake of everyone's sanity I'm bighting my tongue.
Originally posted by: ArtimusQuote
Originally posted by: PaleZer0
This thread loses for wanting Nintendo to be more like Apple...
Ever used an Apple computer? Especially their laptops. Beautiful machines with amazing insides.
I'd like to see Nintendo team up with Apple, actually.
Post by: Caliban on April 10, 2005, 06:46:56 AM
Post by: LuWoo75 on April 10, 2005, 07:57:50 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on April 10, 2005, 08:23:43 AM
Personally I like the Cube design and think the PS2 was handcarved out of a huge chunk of ugly so my ideas about the design wouldn't hold any weight.
As an advertisement I'd suggest having thousands of people with identical clothes, shaved haircut, pale skin and a green X tattooed into their foreheads (along with a barcode) sitting in front of thousands of numbered TV screens playing the same game, all in a pretty dark environment (think Matrix real-world scenes) perhaps with CG machines watching over them, then as the camera shows all this show two texts: "Don't be another number in the system" "Take the power back", ending with a "Revolution" logo in the end. Perhaps use that only for the early phase.
Post by: ThePerm on April 10, 2005, 09:43:33 AM
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Originally posted by: PaleZer0QuoteUgh, for the sake of everyone's sanity I'm bighting my tongue.
Originally posted by: ArtimusQuote
Originally posted by: PaleZer0
This thread loses for wanting Nintendo to be more like Apple...
Ever used an Apple computer? Especially their laptops. Beautiful machines with amazing insides.
I'd like to see Nintendo team up with Apple, actually.
I like apple
Post by: Artimus on April 10, 2005, 10:03:58 AM
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Originally posted by: PaleZer0QuoteUgh, for the sake of everyone's sanity I'm bighting my tongue.
Originally posted by: ArtimusQuote
Originally posted by: PaleZer0
This thread loses for wanting Nintendo to be more like Apple...
Ever used an Apple computer? Especially their laptops. Beautiful machines with amazing insides.
I'd like to see Nintendo team up with Apple, actually.
You should. I don't even own an Apple but I'm regretting buying this Dell that's so slow now and brand new. Not to mention ugly.
Apple's laptops are small, sleak and last a damn long time. They're certainly better looking than any PC except maybe Alienware.
Post by: Pale on April 10, 2005, 01:54:20 PM
There are two possible reasons that your Dell is slow...
1. You bought a 600 dollar machine and are comparing it to a 2k machine in a Mac.
2. You don't know how to take care of your computer.
We can't argue appearances as that is all just opinion... but the fact that you think Apple's last longer just shows how much you don't know. Apple's may _seem_ to last longer only because it is a very closed box system. You can't touch it.. upgrade wise.... and most people don't even install any new software other than stuff that is mass marketed and tested.
People who use PCs just don't have any concept of what a computer is. Its something that runs programs. period. You get your nice shiny PC and then install any number of piece of crap software off the internet until it slows to a crawl...then chalk it up to the computer's fault. I'm running a windows based machine that the central parts are over 5 year's old... You show me a 5 year old Mac and my machine will blow its doors off. I can render the same frames in Maya in half the time of a freaking G4 for christ sake and thats only 1 generation ago.
Anyway, to make a long story short, Macs are awesome little machines for what they do. They are idiot proof and pretty. If you want a machine that is actually powerful, you don't buy a Mac. You buy a PC and maybe learn a thing or two about it.
Post by: Bill Aurion on April 10, 2005, 02:29:12 PM
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I don't even own an Apple but I'm regretting buying this Dell that's so slow now and brand new. Not to mention ugly.
Ahahaha, that's your own damn fault...
Post by: LuWoo75 on April 10, 2005, 02:42:12 PM
Post by: zakkiel on April 10, 2005, 03:17:53 PM
Post by: Pale on April 10, 2005, 07:35:44 PM
Post by: Artimus on April 10, 2005, 07:41:47 PM
This coming from a PC own.
(and btw, that "600 dollar" PC you claim I have is actually a 4100 dollar laptop that I got last July)
Post by: LuWoo75 on April 10, 2005, 11:52:43 PM
Post by: Pale on April 11, 2005, 04:36:41 AM
QuoteGood, so that means you just don't know how to use it. And the fact that you think a mac is less suceptable to being broken proves my point. You don't know how to use computers. The only reason a Mac is less suceptable is because it isn't as much of a target. If you were gonna write ad mongering code would you write it for a platform with 90% market share or one with some portion of that final 10%? Come on now... If you really have a 4100 dollar laptop I'll buy you a IBook and we can trade. I have a 700 dollar laptop. I know it isn't a power house... I didn't buy it for that...but because I know how to keep a machine clean and optimized people (like you even?) look at it and use it and think I spent 4 grand. Ya know how you have to take a road test to get your license? I really think the computer industry should do something similar.
Originally posted by: Artimus
I'm not talking about the same thing as us. I'm talking about it from a user standpoint, you're talking about it as if we live in a perfect world. It's great if a car's engine won't erode for 50 years if you only drive it on Sundays but that's unrealistic. What you described as destroying PCs can be done to a Mac and won't destroy it. Not to mention they're far more efficent for multimedia processing even if the computer is entirely devoted to it. And the OS is so much better than Windows.
This coming from a PC own.
(and btw, that "600 dollar" PC you claim I have is actually a 4100 dollar laptop that I got last July)
Post by: SgtShiversBen on April 11, 2005, 06:02:25 AM
If you don't know how to take care of your computer, then don't complain. Use FireFox, don't download everything, delete it right away, and don't pirate stuff and go to "crack" websites. Those are havens for bad things.
Post by: ThePerm on April 11, 2005, 06:05:29 AM
With the Mac i have at school i could fill it up full and it would never become bogged down. It must not take much memory to run osX. Cus at school im running at 1/3 the processing speed and memory at home and its just as fast as my computer at home. Macs must use blast processing
Post by: Ian Sane on April 11, 2005, 07:31:53 AM
"I suggest 'Nintendo' is dropped from the title (though that will never happen). Notice how Microsoft downplayed itself with the Xbox. Amlost all PR Jargon goes: '____ for the Sony PlayStation 2, Nintendo GameCube and Xbox from Microsoft'. Microsoft has a somewhat negative subtext of the giant corporation. Nintendo has a subtext of childishness they could partially shrug off with some 'mature' titles at launch and a system called 'Revolution.'"
That's a very risky idea though not necessarily a bad one. Realistically the people whom the name "Nintendo" is actually a selling point for would already know the Revolution was a Nintendo console. Nintendo fans and hardcore gamers are the only ones who have any positive brand name association with "Nintendo". Plus it can still have the Nintendo logo on the console and box just not as focused. One thing I think would be good would be for Nintendo to have multiple brand names as a game publisher. So games like Mario and Pokemon are published by Nintendo but titles that aren't so cutesy like Zelda or Metroid use a different brand name. So "Nintendo" makes the family-friendly stuff and "Triforce" (or whatever) makes the more edgy stuff. That way you could potentially fool people into thinking that Triforce was some third party providing exclusive support.
Post by: jakeOSX on April 11, 2005, 08:44:05 AM
oh, and make the online stuff free so that we can laugh at XBox live.
And i like the 'triforce' idea, like touchstone for Disney.
Post by: TheYoungerPlumber on April 11, 2005, 12:06:34 PM
Post by: Artimus on April 11, 2005, 12:17:45 PM
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Originally posted by: PaleZer0QuoteGood, so that means you just don't know how to use it. And the fact that you think a mac is less suceptable to being broken proves my point. You don't know how to use computers. The only reason a Mac is less suceptable is because it isn't as much of a target. If you were gonna write ad mongering code would you write it for a platform with 90% market share or one with some portion of that final 10%? Come on now... If you really have a 4100 dollar laptop I'll buy you a IBook and we can trade. I have a 700 dollar laptop. I know it isn't a power house... I didn't buy it for that...but because I know how to keep a machine clean and optimized people (like you even?) look at it and use it and think I spent 4 grand. Ya know how you have to take a road test to get your license? I really think the computer industry should do something similar.
Originally posted by: Artimus
I'm not talking about the same thing as us. I'm talking about it from a user standpoint, you're talking about it as if we live in a perfect world. It's great if a car's engine won't erode for 50 years if you only drive it on Sundays but that's unrealistic. What you described as destroying PCs can be done to a Mac and won't destroy it. Not to mention they're far more efficent for multimedia processing even if the computer is entirely devoted to it. And the OS is so much better than Windows.
This coming from a PC own.
(and btw, that "600 dollar" PC you claim I have is actually a 4100 dollar laptop that I got last July)
Make it a Powerbook and I'd do it in a heartbeat. I have an Inspiron 9100 I got last summer. 750MB ram (or wahtver), 3.2Ghz, 60GB harddrive with 256 graphics.
In a heartbeat.
Post by: Pale on April 11, 2005, 04:30:55 PM
Post by: TheYoungerPlumber on April 11, 2005, 04:37:36 PM
Post by: wandering on April 12, 2005, 06:10:50 PM
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Bill said:Quote
GameCube's official color is now grey.
Wait, hold up........Huh!?
Their commercials emphasize grey.
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Bill said:
This is Nintendo...Humbleness comes first whether anyone likes it or not...
...yeah, I guess that's actually good thing. I think they've found a strategy wherby they go into hyperbole on certain subjects ("this new device is the most innovative, world changing product since sliced bread!") while remaining humble and thruthful on what their systems actually do. Which is good.
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Reggie by way of BlackNMild2k1 said:
One thing the GameCube taught us is the importance of pleasing as many different types of gamers in the market as possible.
I want the Revolution to look more like an appliance and less like a kid's toy. But I don't want the REV to look like a VCR/DVD player. My CD player doesn't look a VCR. My toaster doesn't look like a CD player. My computer doesn't look like my toaster. Revolution should look stylish but still very unique.
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IanSane said:
Kids find adult stuff cool. Adults don't find kids stuff cool. It's just common sense to go for something 100% of the population will tolerate than something that only a part of it will.
agreed.
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IanSane said:
You could paint Sony as an oppresive government forcing us to conform to boring games and then paint Nintendo as the "Revolution" of rebels overthrowing the oppresive Sony and regaining their crown. It's aggressive and promotes Nintendo's innovative game ideas and it's like a call-to-arms for Nintendo fans. We're taking games BACK. That sort of thing.
YES!
See, Nintendo's whole problem right now is they're a bunch of losers. Everyone hates losers. But, somewhat paradoxically, everyone loves underdogs.
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TYP said:
I suggest "Nintendo" is dropped from the title (though that will never happen)
Completley disagree. When your company has bad press surrounding it's name (and Nintendo's bad press is pretty mild...they haven't been spotlighted for doing anything morally wrong, for example) it's always better to try to change the public's perception of your company. IMO, Trying to bury your company's name is a bad idea for a whole number of reasons, not the least of which is that bad name recognition is better than no name recognition.
As for Microsoft not calling xbox "microsoft Xbox", Im fairly sure that has more to do with them being known exclusively as a software maker, rather than because of any bad press. Notice that, when it comes to software, it's still "Microsoft Windows XP" and "Microsoft Office".
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KDR said:
As an advertisement I'd suggest having thousands of people with identical clothes, shaved haircut, pale skin and a green X tattooed into their foreheads (along with a barcode) sitting in front of thousands of numbered TV screens playing the same game, all in a pretty dark environment (think Matrix real-world scenes) perhaps with CG machines watching over them, then as the camera shows all this show two texts: "Don't be another number in the system" "Take the power back", ending with a "Revolution" logo in the end. Perhaps use that only for the early phase.
Sort-of related: it would be cool if they got Laurence Fishbourne to narrarate Revolution's commercials.
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IanSane said:
One thing I think would be good would be for Nintendo to have multiple brand names as a game publisher. So games like Mario and Pokemon are published by Nintendo but titles that aren't so cutesy like Zelda or Metroid use a different brand name. So "Nintendo" makes the family-friendly stuff and "Triforce" (or whatever) makes the more edgy stuff.
I think creating a seperate company name for mature titles like eternal darkness would be a good idea. But why on earth would Nintendo want to seperate their name from their best franchises? Why would they want to further associate 'Nintendo' with 'tiku tiku tiku! only'?
I really don't think the answer to Nintendo's image problem is for them to say 'yes! Nintendo actually is tiku tiku tiku! ! which is why we've created a new, non-tiku tiku tiku! , totally cool NEW company to make our new console and all our cool games.'
Finally, I'd like to say something on the touchy apple issue. Apple did something that I want Nintendo to do: they changed their company's image, almost overnight, from a crappy company that makes computers for schools, to a super-cool underdog that makes nothing but great products. They did this by making their hardware look really good, creating really good commmercials, making an outwardly pretty and inviting operating system, and fixing some of their computer's long-standing flaws. Furthmore, they did all this without changing that unique apple 'feel' or sacrifcing their overall more intuitive operating system.
All of this helped make apple computers extremlely inviting to the mainstream, AND didn't really hurt power users.
That's what I want from Nintendo: A massive image change, that doesn't fundamentally change what Nintendo is. And, a game system that is more inviting and more intuitive to the mainstream, while still being just as inviting to the hardcore.
Post by: Savior on April 12, 2005, 07:46:51 PM
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wanting the Rev to be an overpriced fashion accessory
I just want it to look good, and be good too. Thats not too much to ask. If its massively popular is that a bad thing?
Alot of the Nintendo fans purposely dont want Nintendo to be mainstream popular.... Why is that? Because then its not a niche thing?
Post by: ThePerm on April 12, 2005, 10:11:46 PM
None of the stupid gimicky commercial crap ever works. Make the commericals 30 seconds long. Play them often. Make sure the song gets stuck in peoples heads.
Take the gta commercials GTA3..shows off some really good gameplay shots...plays some really haunting opera music. GTA vice city...plays Flock of Eagles..catchy....gta: San andreas...plays Welcome to the jungle. All those commericals are basically the same.
Zelda: oot commercial...plays Basil Poledarous badass orchestrated music....shows off gameplay....sells millions
zelda:MM start of the gimicky crap. In 2000 it was cool to have commericals like that...but now that doesnt work. Itys lame. Nintendo's esencially making super bowl commercials..except their doing it at random times of the year.
So the commercials end up being big budget..too long..so long they don't play them much.(The shorter the commercial the more you can afford to play it over and over) With commercials the message has to be quick and you have to get it out as many times as possible. Nintendo has shitty marketing.
Post by: wandering on April 13, 2005, 03:33:39 PM
I HAVE TEH REVOLUTION!!!!!111
Not really. But that's what I'd want it to look like.
Post by: zakkiel on April 13, 2005, 04:34:04 PM
Post by: SgtShiversBen on April 13, 2005, 06:48:55 PM
The Revvie
Post by: KDR_11k on April 14, 2005, 02:36:08 AM
Post by: Don'tHate742 on April 14, 2005, 11:38:18 AM
hehe...
Really though, a metallic green that resembles silver when light is shined on it would dazzle even the biggest PSP fanatic.
Green's the way to go.
Post by: TheYoungerPlumber on April 16, 2005, 02:32:27 PM
Post by: PaLaDiN on April 16, 2005, 02:46:58 PM
For some reason that reminded me of the commercial in that Futurama episode with the 80's businessman.
I want something like the NESP. While the competition stumbles all over themselves making something futuristic-looking, Nintendo remembering their roots would be kinda cool.
Post by: PowerHair on April 17, 2005, 10:48:26 PM
Personally I prefer the red idea for Nintendo.
How about silver, black, and red, metallic or otherwise.
Phazon suit anyone?
Post by: PaLaDiN on April 17, 2005, 10:55:44 PM
Mentioning that is bound to draw comparisons to the infinitely cooler Light Suit, and we've already been over that color scheme.
Sigh... here we go again with conflicting wants. Nintendo's got their work cut out for them.
Post by: nemo_83 on April 18, 2005, 07:28:57 AM
it does not matter what color you pull out of the crayon box, people are going to say it looks tiku tiku tiku! because color + gaming = toy.
sexy neutral + gaming = electronic device
Nintendo knew this when they launched their first four systems and first handheld, but got ahead of their customers with the look of VB and GC.
Post by: Dirk Temporo on April 18, 2005, 09:32:05 AM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
...With a name like Revolution the ads just write themselves. You could paint Sony as an oppresive government forcing us to conform to boring games and then paint Nintendo as the "Revolution" of rebels overthrowing the oppresive Sony and regaining their crown. It's aggressive and promotes Nintendo's innovative game ideas and it's like a call-to-arms for Nintendo fans. We're taking games BACK. That sort of thing.
Best. Idea. Ever.
Along with "Evolution is slow. Start a Revolution."
Post by: Grant10k on April 18, 2005, 12:51:48 PM
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Originally posted by: PaLaDiN
"You could paint Sony as an oppresive government forcing us to conform to boring games and then paint Nintendo as the "Revolution" of rebels overthrowing the oppresive Sony and regaining their crown. It's aggressive and promotes Nintendo's innovative game ideas and it's like a call-to-arms for Nintendo fans. We're taking games BACK. That sort of thing."
For some reason that reminded me of the commercial in that Futurama episode with the 80's businessman.
Futurama actually copied that commercial from the apple commercial "1984" which aired during some superbowl (I mean copied in a good way, that was an awsome episode) The real commercial (HERE, 13.1 megs, quicktime) was basically the same thing, exept it was Apple rebelling against the mainstream computers, basically IBM.
I actually linked that page earlier but didn't explane what I linked to very well, so I am re-linking it here.
Post by: kennyb27 on April 18, 2005, 03:51:14 PM
Post by: PowerHair on April 18, 2005, 04:22:31 PM
If they release the Rev with every single possible colour combination everyone will find something they like.
Post by: wandering on April 18, 2005, 04:22:40 PM
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wandering_nintendo_fan, you really have to stop posting that.
I've only posted it once (well, twice, if you count me quoting someone else).
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no, i believe it should be a neutral color (white, black, or silver)
I agree. But, there's no reason Nintendo can't have a nice secondary color for the REV. If the Xbox has bright green, and ps2 has blue...there's no reason Nintendo can't throw in a splash of red, or bright blue, or metallic green. I think the DS's completete lack of color hurts the system's appearance somewhat. Same thing for the black GameCube.
Post by: Bill Aurion on April 18, 2005, 04:41:55 PM
I think Ninty should repeat what they did with the Gamecube, but with three colors this time...A standard color and two "stand-outs"...
Post by: Robotor on April 18, 2005, 05:17:04 PM
Post by: kennyb27 on April 18, 2005, 06:04:32 PM
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wandering_nintendo_fan, you really have to stop posting that.
I've only posted it once (well, twice, if you count me quoting someone else).
Well, I was counting in other threads too, though. Still a joke though.
Post by: Praxis on April 18, 2005, 08:20:09 PM
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Originally posted by: PaleZer0
Ok now you are forcing me to...
There are two possible reasons that your Dell is slow...
1. You bought a 600 dollar machine and are comparing it to a 2k machine in a Mac.
2. You don't know how to take care of your computer.
We can't argue appearances as that is all just opinion... but the fact that you think Apple's last longer just shows how much you don't know. Apple's may _seem_ to last longer only because it is a very closed box system. You can't touch it.. upgrade wise.... and most people don't even install any new software other than stuff that is mass marketed and tested.
People who use PCs just don't have any concept of what a computer is. Its something that runs programs. period. You get your nice shiny PC and then install any number of piece of crap software off the internet until it slows to a crawl...then chalk it up to the computer's fault. I'm running a windows based machine that the central parts are over 5 year's old... You show me a 5 year old Mac and my machine will blow its doors off. I can render the same frames in Maya in half the time of a freaking G4 for christ sake and thats only 1 generation ago.
Anyway, to make a long story short, Macs are awesome little machines for what they do. They are idiot proof and pretty. If you want a machine that is actually powerful, you don't buy a Mac. You buy a PC and maybe learn a thing or two about it.
Wintel Fanboy killing time.
1) Can't touch it. Typical ignorance arguement. In fact, many Macs are actually MORE upgradeable than a PC. With the PowerMac G4 line especially, the processors were on a daughtercard. You could literally turn a single 400 MHz G4 machine into a dual 1.5 GHz machine, put a much more powerful graphics card and a few PCI cards in it, and have a sweet setup. My Pismo I routinely open up when I'm board in class (teachers don't notice), poke around the hard drive and processor and stuff, etc.
2) Show you a 5 year old Mac? Sure. I'm running a 5 year old PowerBook G3 running the LATEST operating system (Mac OS X 10.3 Panther) at a good speed and using it for classes every day (I learned my lesson after dropping my PB G4). Further, my school in one room has 6-7 year old iMacs (G3, 333 and 500 MHz) running Mac OS X 10.3 and Photoshop CS. Macs last a long time.
3) "Idiot proof and pretty but not powerful". Stunningly ignorant statement. Mac OS X is UNIX based and a very powerful OS. Windows is a massive peice of crap with terrible design and disgusting security. Don't get me started. You can even run a number of Linux apps in Mac OS X if you recompile them from source code with the included developer tools.
And btw, all the PowerMacs went G5 two years ago. The G4 processor hit a brick wall and was stuck for a while with almost no clockspeed increase before a massive jump with the G5. So comparing your Maya framerates to a G4...no.
Mac OS X is the entire reason to buy a Mac. It IS the most advanced OS on the planet. Panther easily blows away Windows XP, and Tiger (coming out in two weeks) has almost all the features from LONGHORN (next version of Windows not coming out for another 1-2 years).
Post by: Praxis on April 18, 2005, 08:26:41 PM
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Originally posted by: PaleZer0
One last thing... My argument for PC superiority to Mac has nothing to do with operating systems. Most people like one more than the other only because they are more used to it... and that's fine... I just enjoy the competition in the hardware PC industry. It allows for more flexible, upgradable, and powerful systems.
That's just ridiculous. I would rather have a stable OS with excellent performance, better features (as in nearly a generation ahead on features), that is extremely secure and easy to use, is nearly virus proof, supports open standards, and has no slowdown, than a computer with twice the power (which is NOT true of PC's, btw, a while back benchmarks had the fastest PC outperforming the fastest Mac with equivilant RAM and graphics cards by about 10%-15% in games only, Mac won in some other categories...) and a peice of crap operating system that has more holes than swiss cheese, gets slower the more you use it, has proprietary formats, required registration, uglier interface, and is buggy in comparison.
I spend more time looking at my computer screen than most other things. And when I do that I want to be using a good OS, not caring whether I get 300 or 330 FPS in a game
(yes, that was the difference between the Mac and the PC).And your comments about Mac upgradeability are again silly. Okay, its true of the all in one systems somewhat, but what the heck do you think they sell TOWERS with PCI-X and AGP for?
What I'd love to see is a Nintendo/Apple teamup. The Rev is rumored to have G5 processors, and a hard drive, right? Can you say NintendOS X? Imagine a package that adds a keyboard and mouse for the Rev and allows you to turn the Revolution into a full fledged Mac, complete with connectivity to the DS's PDA software if that rumor turns out to be true?
Post by: Caillan on April 18, 2005, 08:32:15 PM
I believe that only thing Nintendo needs to do is stop plastering Mario to every game that's not going to sell by itself. Then it's image will improve. Not only will the games not seem so 'tiku'd up', but Nintendo will lose it's image of a rehash company as well. I once had an idiot tell me that Nintendo never did anything original whilst he explained the merits of the Tekken series. No matter how stupid they are, if someone believes that then Nintendo has screwed up their marketing big time.
Post by: PowerHair on April 18, 2005, 10:20:41 PM
I'm not advocating trays or looking like the PS2, but it should be a consideration.
Post by: Spak-Spang on April 19, 2005, 04:07:36 AM
I would have liked Nintendo to have gone with white, but it looks like MS is going that route. Perhaps something sleeker. Something like what Apple has pulled off. Apple's new stuff looks sexy and hightech. It just looks that it is advanced. Nintendo needs that look with the new system.
Post by: wandering on April 19, 2005, 05:12:09 PM
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I think Ninty should repeat what they did with the Gamecube, but with three colors this time...A standard color and two "stand-outs"...
I like this idea because I think it would actually make the neutral color feel more central and prominent.
But....I think marketing-wise it would be even better to follow DS's route: launch with one style... make the revolution unique, cool and easily identifyable. And then branch out with alternative styles/colors later.
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Well, I was counting in other threads too, though. Still a joke though.
Ah, didn't catch that you were joking. Sorry.
That picture has been linked to a whole bunch of times for some reason, but by people other than me. I really have only linked to it once (or twice) total.
Post by: Praxis on April 19, 2005, 09:48:22 PM
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the x86 Architecture forces every subsystem's throughput into a single fronside bus which then communicates to the CPU and Main Memory. This has worked fine, I was a Wintel user for 10 years myself before switching. The problem with that is every component of your system (USB, Ethernet, Graphics, PCI Cards, etc) is all fighting for bandwidth, so if your say trying to use multiple programs and access hardware functions (ie CD/DVD Burning) this causes system slowdown and because Windows is written the way it is (I'm not sure the tech side of the software) can cause programs to stall, crash, and freeze the system (remember when you couldn't do anything while your CD's were being burnt, that's because of x86's and Windows limitations) This is even worse due to the fact that the intel/amd CPU's only offer limited instrution sets (OK "1" on any non Hyper-Threading/Hyper-Transport System, those offer a whopping "2", Perhaps more on newer AMD's) There are more limitations I may mention later for now, lemme compare whats above to the current Power4 Architecture. Oh one more little thing before I move on, the maximum throughput of any Intel system is 6.4GBps
Power4 at it's core, allows EVERY subsystem to talk directly to the main memory and the CPU INDEPENDENTLY, NOTHING fights for bandwidth due to whats at the core of the Architecture, the System Controller. Forget Northbridge/Southbridge, The sytem controller regulates data moving through the system, it can direct data where it needs to go directly, making for efficient data throughput. On top of that, add to it, Branch Prediction Logic, with 95% accuracy (roughly), BPI can detect where data needs to go before it reaches the cpu, making dataflow even faster. Also add Enchanced Velocity engines in each CPU, DUAL INDEPENDENT SYSTEM BUSES Maxing out at 1.25GHz (For the moment) TWO CPU's with 2 Double Precision Floating Point Units per (Intel/AMD = 1) and you have a system that's total throughput max's out at 20GBps with much more efficiancy than that of any x86 system on the market today. A 3.8 GHz Pentium or for that matter a Dual Core 3.4GHz Pentium can't even compare when it comes to true RAW POWER, The Dual Core Pentiums still use a single System bus and the same architecute thats been around since 1989, ok so that's that. By the Way, Each G5 has 8 In-Flight Instruction Sets, VS 2 on any x86 system (AMD may have more as cited earlier, I'm not 100% on that)
My suspision is that is why the XBox 360 is going PowerPC now...
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I believe that only thing Nintendo needs to do is stop plastering Mario to every game that's not going to sell by itself. Then it's image will improve. Not only will the games not seem so 'tiku'd up', but Nintendo will lose it's image of a rehash company as well. I once had an idiot tell me that Nintendo never did anything original whilst he explained the merits of the Tekken series. No matter how stupid they are, if someone believes that then Nintendo has screwed up their marketing big time.
Good point there. I had some guy once tell me that Nintendo never makes new games because we always get new Zelda, Mario, and Metroid games (ignoring that no two Mario games ever had the same engine and no two Metroid games ever had the same engine excepting MP2, and most Zelda games had different game engines every time)... Almost burst out laughing, but the guy was serious.
Post by: Picceelo on April 23, 2005, 02:46:25 PM
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Originally posted by: SgtShiversBen
Personally, I wouldn't mind AT ALL (well maybe how it's missing 2 controller ports for SSB:M) if this was the final design for the Revvie. It's nice looking and doesn't really look like a toy IMO. But it's not stackable.
The Revvie
I like that, but I like this this better.
Post by: Don'tHate742 on April 24, 2005, 03:28:08 AM
I think it would be cool if the FRONT of the REV was split in half vertically, then the two halves would slide outwards revealing a DVD insert slot in the middle. It'd be kinda freakishly cool. Like the console version of Alien. Actually now that I think it about it, it could also be the console equivilent of a vagina.
weird.....
Post by: nickmitch on April 24, 2005, 03:44:37 PM
Post by: DrGAKMANx on May 14, 2005, 10:25:50 PM
The Nintendo REVOLUTION & GAME GRIP Concept & Description
Here's a link to my lil' webpage where I have more details about my conceptual drawings.
Hello Rick Powers! I had to start a whole new account just to post here since it's been so long.
Post by: RickPowers on May 15, 2005, 08:02:20 AM
Post by: WesDawg on May 15, 2005, 07:26:25 PM
I think the idea of whoring out Mario a lot less is pretty good too. Although I really love Mario Golf, but I'd still buy the game if they took him out. And I think it would actually help their sales in the long run, as a lot of people seem scared of buying something that says Mario on it.
Post by: ThePerm on May 15, 2005, 07:36:31 PM
Post by: Nile Boogie on May 15, 2005, 08:12:46 PM
"24" is the greatest show ever!!
And wasn't Rick Triple H?
The Phillies Suck.
And what ever happen to TheBigN?
Where's My coffee?
Post by: DrGAKMANx on May 15, 2005, 08:28:25 PM
Why are you lolerz?
WesDawg...
I think the only thing good about X-BRICK 360's console design is it's interchangeable faceplates...kinda neat and so I put it in my own design.
ThePerm...
You mean, nature has blessed Miss Ewa Sonnet...that's not me, but I'm starting to use her as my avatar in order to get more people's attention...it's working.
Nile Boogie...
Yeah, I'm the guy who called them "PSX" & "PSX2", but since Sony had released the multi-media PSX it didn't fit anymore so I call PS2, PS2 now. Yeah, I'm still the guy who writes super long posts, speculates too much and...does this...alot...
Where's Ian Sane?
Post by: PaLaDiN on May 15, 2005, 09:02:21 PM
I remember you, but you don't remember me.
TheBigN just up and disappeared during a period where I wasn't visiting PGC, same as SuperPokeExpert.
Post by: KirbySStar on May 15, 2005, 10:19:48 PM
Post by: Stimutacs Addict on May 16, 2005, 03:12:34 AM
oh yea the surprise has to be good, too
Post by: couchmonkey on May 16, 2005, 06:44:36 AM
*I'd love to see a system made of actual metal instead of silver paint, I'd even be willing to pay a little extra for it. Otherwise, I'd rather have a bright colour than plastic with silver paint on it.
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Post by: PaLaDiN on May 16, 2005, 05:58:07 PM
People need to stop putting words in Nintendo's mouth. You're just setting yourself up for possible disappointment.
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