Post by: SgtShiversBen on April 06, 2005, 06:17:01 AM
Shaft Me Once
Shaft Me Twice
Shaft Me Thrice
Honostly, what is the matter with just getting a little bit of love when some of these games would work BEST for the GameCube (sans the third link)? Viewtiful Joe?!? Already working on a third game when the second and first one bombed on the PS2.
Lego Star Wars, a game that if only was on GameCube, should be labled "TEH KITTY" but instead is praised like crazy.
And instant messenging on the damn PSP? Honostly you cannot tell me that would work wonders on the NDS! Damn kids and their loud music.
Post by: Hostile Creation on April 06, 2005, 06:24:36 AM
Post by: Mario on April 06, 2005, 06:24:42 AM
All I can think of, is Capcom took a look at the userbases, and said "oh hey more people own a PS2, so it'll sell better on PS2, let's release it on PS2!" When will companies realise the horrible flaws in this logic?
Post by: KnowsNothing on April 06, 2005, 06:38:19 AM
I know I wouldn't buy it.
Post by: Ian Sane on April 06, 2005, 07:17:34 AM
Damn it I'm so f*cking tired of this. What the hell do we have to do to keep third party games? If we don't buy games we lose out and we lose out even when we DO buy games. Both Viewtiful Joe and Soul Calibur II sold better on the Cube despite a huge difference in the userbase. How can we do better than that? There couldn't be a better reason to put a game on the Cube.
I imagine what's happening is that third parties are losing money due to the numerous stupid things they do (ie: releasing VJ2 around the same time as some of the most anticipated games ever) so they have to cut costs somewhere and the Cube being number three gets the axe, regardless of how well a game actually performed on it. This is why Nintendo's market share is a big deal. We're getting cut off just because the Cube is in last place. Third parties are not taking into account past sales. They're just looking at userbase numbers and making decisions based on that and we're getting punished because they're stupid. The Rev CAN'T be number three or it's going to be the exact same thing all over again. If after year one of the Rev if Nintendo's in last place we might not even get any third party exclusives at all.
Post by: wandering on April 06, 2005, 07:40:47 AM
This is why Rev has to be so insansely great that it crushes the competition on impact....in spite of said competition's massive popularity and huge wallets.
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Well, the new VJ game is styled after SSB. I guess they figured there's no way they can beat SSBM, which almost everyone already has I know I wouldn't buy it.
Which is why Nintendo should've approached Capcom and said, 'hey, you know that fighting game you're working on? We've got a better one for you: Super Smash Brothers: Viewtiful Edition.'
Post by: joshnickerson on April 06, 2005, 10:28:12 AM
Seriously, I don't see this game even being any good. If Capcom couldn't figure out how to implement a two player mode in VJ2, how the hell are they going to make a decent fighting game out of it? How would the VX powers work if both players activate them at the same time?
Conspiracy theory... does it make anyone suspicious that two developers that Nintendo's been so buddy-buddy with this generation are making Sony exclusives of franchises that did best of the Cube? *Doo dee do de dooo....*
Post by: KDR_11k on April 06, 2005, 10:31:40 AM
Post by: 09n on April 06, 2005, 10:49:40 AM
Third parties hate GC
Sony bribes them
They are all very stupid
Sony and microsoft have "persuaded" the third parties to create exclusives for their consoles
Everyone just hates the gamecube (good example; Lego Star wars is praised as great but if on the gamecube it would be called babyish)
Post by: mantidor on April 06, 2005, 11:11:51 AM
Post by: wandering on April 06, 2005, 11:23:49 AM
Post by: couchmonkey on April 06, 2005, 11:58:22 AM
Still, it might be pure stupidity. Maybe management made a decision without being informed of sales or some such crap.
Say, does anyone know how VJ2 did in Japan versus here? I know it did worse on PS2 here, but high sales in Japan would explain a lot and wouldn't be unheard of either.
Post by: Nosferat2 on April 06, 2005, 02:08:13 PM
Show outrage when VJ3 is exclusive on PS2. Dont get all upset for a fighting game that we dont know nothing about, it may very well suck ass and probably will.
Post by: ruby_onix on April 06, 2005, 02:17:29 PM
A monkey could run that company better than it is now.
Post by: SgtShiversBen on April 06, 2005, 02:29:39 PM
You would think that a FRANCHISE that did better on the GameCube BOTH times would at least get some recognition. But apparently greed is thicker than smarts.
Also the Lego SW thing irks me so much, I won't even go into it. 09n has the right idea.
And the PSP just bugs me too. C&C on that thing?! Seriously....
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on April 06, 2005, 03:11:34 PM
Post by: nickmitch on April 06, 2005, 03:50:52 PM
At least we get VJ DS.
And isn't the Lego game comming out on GBA?
And the PSP is for chumps and their chumpettes.
Post by: Don'tHate742 on April 06, 2005, 03:55:52 PM
Only a few hours after the story ran it was updated stating that a GameCube version was on the way....
Read it yourselves here
Post by: MrMojoRising on April 06, 2005, 04:13:32 PM
Post by: Don'tHate742 on April 06, 2005, 04:16:34 PM
beer OR joint OR book.....
hehe, I know you were kidding.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 06, 2005, 04:18:41 PM
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on April 06, 2005, 04:34:27 PM
Post by: joshnickerson on April 06, 2005, 04:37:27 PM
I still think the game is gonna suck though.
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on April 06, 2005, 05:43:07 PM
Post by: IceCold on April 06, 2005, 05:52:20 PM
b]"The game will also feature characters from the TV anime series of the same name currently airing in Japan"
Post by: Savior on April 06, 2005, 06:40:50 PM
Anyways im interested in it. Funny that its on the PSP and Not the PS2.
Post by: Mario on April 06, 2005, 06:53:09 PM
Post by: Nosferat2 on April 06, 2005, 07:08:40 PM
I agree with you on the Lego Stars Wars thing, Its shady as hell that if it was on GC it would have been laughed at. That irritates me to death. Not that im into the Lego game cause i surely am not, but the principle just kills me.
you also got all rowled up for nothing. IGN made a mistake and its coming on the Cube and Psp not the PS2, if they arent mistaken again. Its best to wait for official announcements anyway. Your right that if the game sells best on a platform that the smart thiing to do is to bring it on that platform. Capcom, i think is a smart company, thats why the VJ game is going to be on the cube. As for the Psp i see (and agree with them) that they considered it the better handheld to put the game on. Smart move because it has the bigger widescreen and stronger hardware. But since Capcom is a smart company, dont be suprised or upset when it shows up on the PS2. The Ps2 market is just too lucrative to ignore.
Well hopefully you had a chance to read this thread before you go to sleep. I wouldnt want you losing any sleep because of some misimformation.
Peace Nosferatu
Post by: SgtShiversBen on April 06, 2005, 08:00:50 PM
But now that one of the three have been taken care of, what about the other two. Those still kinda irk me. It'd be like putting Photoediting software on the PSP. It would be sooo hard to use (if it only supported the nub) rather than the DS's touch screen.
Post by: KDR_11k on April 06, 2005, 10:37:00 PM
Post by: SgtShiversBen on April 25, 2005, 03:56:13 PM
Won't the world EVER freaking give us Nintendo owners a break? No I didn't think so.
OH AND ONE MORE TIME!!
ARGH!!
We all know that these types of games are perfect for the DS if MP: Hunters and TheOmen's predicitons about Goldeneye are any example. Stupid game developers and their greediness.
Post by: Robotor on April 25, 2005, 04:48:21 PM
ROBOTOR SMASH!!!!!
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on April 25, 2005, 05:02:31 PM
Post by: Ian Sane on April 25, 2005, 05:59:58 PM
It really sucks for us that third parties currently treat the Cube (and likely will treat the Revolution) so poorly. In some cases third parties are being idiotic or unreasonable. But Nintendo hasn't made any real effort to make the Cube worthwhile for third parties so, although we don't deserve it, Nintendo deserves the virtually non-existant third party support they now have.
Post by: odifiend on April 25, 2005, 07:06:24 PM
Then please don't forget how Capcom in a press conference killed any momentum RE4 (Cube) was picking up when they announced they'd be porting it to PS2. I'm with you that Nintendo has done some things to retard the growth of an adult audience but some of that was on Capcom, too.
And finally the RE5 to PS3 as of now is a rumour - not that I don't doubt that it will end up being true...
Post by: KDR_11k on April 26, 2005, 08:52:03 AM
odifiend: Capcom demanded 40 bucks for the ports because Nintendo wanted to charge them licensing fees as if they were priced at 50.
Post by: Ian Sane on April 26, 2005, 09:35:46 AM
I don't think that's fair. The individual members of the userbase should be free to purchase whatever games they want. The Gamecube console is the only console I've ever owned where I've felt pressure to buy certain games in order to give the right message to third parties. It shouldn't be the userbase's responsibility to make sure that third parties games sell, it should be the console maker's responsibility to attract a large enough and broad enough userbase to support third parties. Nintendo fanatics who only buy first party titles shouldn't make up a large enough chunk of the userbase to have a major affect on third party sales. It's Nintendo's fault they weren't able to attract enough other "types" of users.
Plus it's Nintendo's fault that the really nutty fans won't buy third party games. Nintendo has "taught" their fans to like certain things and dislike other things. There are a lot of Nintendo fans for example that are very anti-online and the reason for that is because Nintendo has been very anti-online. Nintendo didn't want to make online Cube games so they did what they could to make sure their really overly-loyal fans weren't asking for them. This sort of attitude bites Nintendo in the ass too. Nintendo taught their fans to like a certain type of game and then when they tried something different with Eternal Darkness it bombed (same with Conker). Nintendo has spent so much effort trying to make sure their fans didn't ask for more mature titles that when they released mature titles a fair bit of the fanbase didn't buy them. Same with sports games which typically don't do that well on Nintendo systems. Right now they're teaching their fans to only like sequels and THAT is going to bite them in the ass.
So Nintendo only attracts hardcore Nintendo nuts as their userbase and then teaches their fans to reject anything that Nintendo themselves doesn't feel like doing or doesn't have any interest in. That's like a third party repelent. Instead of matching the competition or providing options Nintendo tries to attract a userbase of yes-men. That's why their third party support sucks and that's why some of us more independent thinking Nintendo fans are worried about their future.
And I'm not lumping all Nintendo fans into this group. I am talking solely about the types that don't buy third party games and agree with literally everything Nintendo says. Thankfully there aren't that many like that on these forums.
Post by: xts3 on April 27, 2005, 06:59:40 AM
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So Nintendo only attracts hardcore Nintendo nuts as their userbase and then teaches their fans to reject anything that Nintendo themselves doesn't feel like doing or doesn't have any interest in.
That is the most bloody stupid thing I have ever heard. The hardcore nintendo fans from the SNES era are the ones supporting the gamecube. They aren't the "nuts" they are the people who were hoping the gamecube was going to bring the golden age of gaming back to us, like they did in the NES and SNES era.
Look at the quality of games out there and tell me honestly, how many games are worth buying on the PS2? How many on xbox are really "must buys" out of all those games? They have good 3rd party support, but if your 3rd party support games are a rental cycle, just how are these companies going to stay afloat?
The problem is Nintendo is really out of touch with reality ever since the N64, the gamecube was a step in the right direction but it was too little, too late. Microsoft being the richest company in the world has enormous money power to make sure they are competitive, sony took the crown from Nintendo after the SNES era, during the PS1, Saturn and N64 era. That one mistake nintendo made by not going CD based cost them the home console industry. I bet someone got fired over that.
Post by: KDR_11k on April 27, 2005, 09:10:26 AM
Loads and loads are worth playing. GC fanboys sometimes claim the GC has the best games but quite frankly that's bullshit. All consoles have their great games though the XBox seems to focus on different kinds of games than the Gamecube (the PS2 has everything).
Post by: xts3 on April 28, 2005, 07:13:12 AM
Well everyone knows why the PS2 rules because the PS1 vs N64 war was no contest, all the former SNES players picked up a PS1 for FF7 and all their favorites like Streetfighter, etc plus they got all the other developers. In one fell swoop Sony took all of Nintendos (former) 3rd party support away. All the SNES era 3rd party developers jumped ship to Sony. Like I said we'd be in a whole different universe if Nintendo 64 hadn't went with cartridges and totally ruined developer support. The gamecube proves once again that : It's the 3rd party support makes your system #1.
Post by: Mr. Segali on April 28, 2005, 07:51:03 AM
Ha ha ha. I'm a Nintendo guy, (maybe even fanboy at some times), but seriously, how do you expect anyone to swallow that? If you don't see tons of games on the PS2 worth playing, then you must not be a big fan of videogames...
...sour grapes if you ask me...
Post by: xts3 on April 28, 2005, 08:19:48 AM
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Originally posted by: Mr. Segali
Look at the quality of games out there and tell me honestly, how many games are worth playing on the PS2?
Ha ha ha. I'm a Nintendo guy, (maybe even fanboy at some times), but seriously, how do you expect anyone to swallow that? If you don't see tons of games on the PS2 worth playing, then you must not be a big fan of videogames...
...sour grapes if you ask me...
That should have read "How many games are worth BUYING on the ps2?"
Post by: Rancid Planet on April 28, 2005, 10:31:42 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on April 29, 2005, 03:55:00 AM
Your comment about third party support makes no sense in this context. Yes, the PS2's games are made by third parties, does that mean they are worth less somehow? Games are games, there are great games not made by Nintendo (lots of them, even). During the last few years most of these have been released on the PS2. Yet you argue that the PS2 has nothing worth playing? That claim is ridiculous so I'll have to ask you to prove it. Prove that there are more games worth playing on the GC than on the PS2.
Going by GameRankings:
Games above 90/85/80% main average:
GC: 18/52/90
PS2: 30/111/>200 (GR lists only up to 200)
So you'll have to prove that 1. Game Rankings isn't a valid system to measure game quality and 2. the GC has more good games than the PS2. Good luck, you're going to need it.
Post by: SgtShiversBen on April 30, 2005, 08:40:07 PM
This is kinda good news since it talks about next gen Nintendo, although it still is that we're getting shafted in that it's not coming for the GameCube considereing that it probably could handle this bad mofo with a little degredation (they're going to do that to RE3 for PS2 and you know it).
Post by: Ian Sane on April 30, 2005, 08:49:37 PM
The PS2 isn't getting it either so we're not really getting shafted. A guy from a developer that we actually want support from specifically mentioned Nintendo by name in regards to the next generation. That is nothing but good news. One of my biggest concerns is that the apathy shown towards the Cube by third parties will carry over to the Rev. At least we know that Valve doesn't feel that way so there's hope for other third party support as well.
Post by: SgtShiversBen on April 30, 2005, 08:53:45 PM
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