Post by: Darkheart on March 24, 2005, 05:29:52 PM
Post by: Noble~Feather on March 24, 2005, 06:41:33 PM
Just because PSP didn't sell well in certain stores, it doesn't mean it had bad sales.
Wait for the actual figures, and then we'll discuss.
Post by: Darkheart on March 24, 2005, 06:49:40 PM
Post by: Noble~Feather on March 24, 2005, 07:52:17 PM
Post by: RickPowers on March 24, 2005, 08:17:58 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on March 24, 2005, 10:10:24 PM
Post by: Darkheart on March 24, 2005, 10:41:41 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on March 24, 2005, 11:24:40 PM
Post by: Don'tHate742 on March 25, 2005, 01:20:03 AM
Anyways, I'm not surprised. It doesn't have much going for it. Having a video and audio feature that revolve around you buying a horribly expensive memory stick or mini-disk dvd's that can't be used for anything else, is a huge flaw that everyone should of foreseen. It'll only sell for those that already have a horribly expensive memory stick, or those that want games. I don't think anyone would want it other wise, if they knew that they'd have to pay $100-$200 more to play music and photos and $25 (just a geuss) for priorety dvd's. And 100-200 dollars worth in memory stick, is about......200-300 songs, which isn't worth it at all and neither are dvd's.
Again, it'll come down to games, or those who have a memory stick and want to take their images/music on the go, or both.
The PSP isn't really that economical at all, and I think that fact is going to hender sales.
Post by: Avinash_Tyagi on March 25, 2005, 05:43:21 AM
I have to admit, sony succeded again in fooling the public.
Post by: nickmitch on March 25, 2005, 06:26:11 AM
For me its just like I want one but I have better things to do with my money.
Post by: Avinash_Tyagi on March 25, 2005, 06:45:46 AM
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I think most people will have it just to listen to music and maybe buy like 3-5 games a year. They'll just buy ivest in the 1GB memory card and just delete their old game data. And people who do this are just idiots who sho just but and ipod and save money and if they need to play games then just get a damn GBASP to scratch that itch.
Its the system for people who want to look cool and have money to throw away.
A one GB memory stick will probably cost the same as the DS...yup at amazon a 1 gb mem stick from scandisk is $118.95 lowest price(the sony one is $229.28
, that's like a second PSP!)UMD's are around $14.00 on sale, about the same as the DVD's(hellboy 2 disc dvd 14.96, the UMD 13.97, yeah a great deal...not)
Music...yeah, no thanks I can get an Ipod for that, and games...if I want PS2 games I'll buy a PS2!
Post by: Savior on March 25, 2005, 06:56:28 AM
or a PSP.
I can understand why people would be atracted to it. Hell i think its a nice looking system. Dont know if ill buy one but its nice and a nice idea.
Post by: Avinash_Tyagi on March 25, 2005, 07:03:55 AM
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Well, look at it this way. You could have an iPod in one pocket, a Nintendo DS in another, and a Portable DVD in a third pocket.
or a PSP.
I can understand why people would be atracted to it. Hell i think its a nice looking system. Dont know if ill buy one but its nice and a nice idea.
The difference is all of those other items do their tasks at a higher quality than the PSP.
really though that's all the PSP has going for it, it looks good and it allows you to do multiple things, at the sacrifice of quality.
Post by: Artimus on March 25, 2005, 08:00:01 AM
Post by: Avinash_Tyagi on March 25, 2005, 08:05:02 AM
Post by: RickPowers on March 25, 2005, 08:26:24 AM
Silly rabbit. Quality does not ALWAYS win, and no one knows that better than Sony. (Betamax, Minidisc.) Sony has had several higher-quality technologies that lost out in the marketplace to lower-priced alternatives and synergistic efforts. I think Sony is clued into that, and realizes that they don't have to do everything perfectly, but just get it into the market at a reasonable price, and give it enough capability to do several things just well enough.
Post by: Avinash_Tyagi on March 25, 2005, 08:28:19 AM
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Silly rabbit. Quality does not ALWAYS win, and no one knows that better than Sony. (Betamax, Minidisc.) Sony has had several higher-quality technologies that lost out in the marketplace to lower-priced alternatives and synergistic efforts. I think Sony is clued into that, and realizes that they don't have to do everything perfectly, but just get it into the market at a reasonable price, and give it enough capability to do several things just well enough.
Agreed, and it helps when the unwashed masses are too ignorant to know better.
Post by: Darkheart on March 25, 2005, 05:02:41 PM
Post by: Talon on March 25, 2005, 08:58:44 PM
By the time the PSP launches in Australia id assume its going to cost somewhere around $500-$1000 now I dont know about you guys but that is quite expensive for a portable gaming device when the DS is only $199. Hell the memory sticks for the PSP alone are going to cost nearly as much as buying a DS.
So im really not suprised and the lackluster sales of the PSP. Oh and one other thing the I-Pod doesnt play video games so it appeals to a different audience to what the PSP and DS does.
Post by: KDR_11k on March 25, 2005, 09:45:22 PM
Savior: Funny that you mention it, a survey (about PDAs) has shown that people prefer cheaper and better dedicated systems to multifunction devices and are willing to carry up to three devices in their pockets.
Post by: Grant10k on March 26, 2005, 12:38:03 PM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 26, 2005, 12:49:08 PM
Mostly because almost all of them had dead pixels. He had to exchange his PSP 4 times to get one without any dead pixels, and he wasn't leaving the store until he had the perfect one.
He also said on of them had a straight up white pixel, it was still white even when the system was off.
he also says (in regards to the systems style, graphics & out of the box features):
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"The DS is a toy, The PSP is a system!!"
But he really didn't have much to say when we talked about price/size ratio of memorysticks to use for the system versus SD cards that should have been used instead (imho)
Post by: Robotor on March 26, 2005, 04:29:22 PM
That price is so incredibly INSANE they need to take it to the asylum...
Post by: clevelandst124 on March 26, 2005, 04:57:28 PM
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I hate it when people say stupid things like this. So this guy is so mature that he doesn't play with toys anymore? Give me a break. The DS and PSP are both toys and systems. Heck I think of myself as a big kid who buys toys like my truck and my motorcycle. But I guess I'm not mature enough to own a PSP.
I'm also wondering what store he bought a PSP from that didn't care that he just opened up five brand new PSPs, turned them on to make sure it was the one he wanted, then bought one.
Post by: KDR_11k on March 26, 2005, 10:23:43 PM
Post by: ruby_onix on March 27, 2005, 01:11:21 PM
Sony's saying that, contrary to the rumors, they will take back dead pixel units.
But people are noticing that they also said "we will support the various elements of [the PSP] warranty".
Which is what the problem was in the first place. Apparently the PSP's warranty says that you need to have more than a dozen dead pixels before they consider it "defective".
And Sony's also apparently saying that even if you have more than 12 dead pixels, you still can't return your PSP. You have to play it for a week or two, "to see if the problem goes away".
Or maybe it's so that the returns don't affect Sony's "units shipped" launch numbers. Because exchanges don't affect the "units sold at retail" numbers. An exchange counts as "-1 sold and +1 sold". Then it goes back to Sony and counts as "-1 shipped".
Sony's just trying to buy some time before solving any problems, that way they're "looking better" (as opposed to putting effort into "doing better").
Post by: huskyla24 on March 27, 2005, 04:21:17 PM
Post by: KnowsNothing on March 27, 2005, 04:31:37 PM
It's not their problem from then on. I've been seeing alot of misleading things about the PSP. On its launch day there was an article in the paper about it that implied that it could play CDs and DVDs. Unfortunatley, disgruntled people returning their PSPs won't hurt the units sold tally because, as I mentioned earlier, Sony counts how many units they've shipped.
ohyeahhappyeaster
Post by: ruby_onix on March 27, 2005, 05:01:01 PM
"Sony shipped a massive record-breaking 1,000,000 PSP units!"
"Retailers across the entire nation are reporting that their stock of PSP units was sold out near-instantly!"
We just need to wait for the NPD numbers to find out how it really fared.
Post by: Deguello on March 27, 2005, 05:39:49 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on March 27, 2005, 09:23:25 PM
Post by: WuTangTurtle on March 27, 2005, 11:45:39 PM
In Sony's case WTF, if i paid +$250 for a product i should have it without any kind of defect PERIOD, no BS, no well you should be able to live with 1-11 dead pixels. Thats like your laser eye surgery doctor saying you now have clearer and richer vision although you now have 11 black dots in your view at all times, ENJOY!
Post by: oohhboy on March 28, 2005, 04:08:01 AM
The problems are compounding. Changing CEOs may help, but the ex-ceo made a hell of a mess.
Post by: Mario on March 28, 2005, 04:09:48 AM
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I just saw a CNN report saying that Sony has released that the PSP is sold out across the nation. HAHHAHAHAHHAA, Thats so funny a bud of mines target has about 40 in stock. The Best Buy I work at has about 20. I'm sure this isn't the only case. I guess sony jumped the gun on that press release.
Yeah, it is pretty funny what's happening.
Post by: oohhboy on March 28, 2005, 05:27:13 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on March 28, 2005, 07:51:04 AM
Post by: couchmonkey on March 28, 2005, 11:50:46 AM
Post by: huskyla24 on March 28, 2005, 11:56:40 AM
PSP launch not as big as expected
04:07 PM CST on Monday, March 28, 2005
By VICTOR GODINEZ / The Dallas Morning News
Sony Corp.'s PSP handheld video game device that went on sale last week seemed like an instant sensation, marked by midnight launch parties at retailers and lines of eager gamers huddled in rain and cold to get their hands on the system.
But while Sony is touting the unveiling as a success, there are indications the event might not have been the blockbuster that was expected.
Some local retailers said they were surprised at lackluster interest on launch day last Thursday and still have PSPs sitting on store shelves, while gaming Internet message boards over the weekend were dotted with comments from gamers around the country reporting similar stockpiles.
Greg Peterman, a store manager for the SuperTarget store in North Dallas on Coit Road, said he expected a larger crowd on launch day.
“We weren’t hit like that,” he said. “We thought we were going to be. But it didn’t really happen.”
Mr. Peterman said he still has several PSPs available for sale.
“I just don’t think it was as popular as people thought it was going to be, with people already having PlayStation 2s,” he said. “It was really popular among the gaming crowd, but with everybody else it wasn’t that big of a draw.”
The price may have dampened the enthusiasm among casual gamers.
At $250, the PSP is $100 more expensive than Nintendo’s new handheld, the DS.
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on March 28, 2005, 12:56:19 PM
Post by: Don'tHate742 on March 28, 2005, 01:22:19 PM
Personally, I see Sony being bought out pretty soon.
Post by: ruby_onix on March 28, 2005, 02:18:43 PM
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hold on a sec.........Sony requires you to have at least a dozen dead pixels? Is that a huge exaggeration?
Sony's policy is apparently that you can get it replaced if more than 0.01% of your pixels are dead.
PSP resolution: 480x272 = 130,560 pixels.
0.01% = 13.056
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This policy probaly spawned out of inter-division politics. PSP componets beening produced at cost by the other divisions ment unlike Nintendo who have to out source all production couldn't secure a quality control clause in their agreement.
The PSP's screen is being made by Sharp, the same guys that have made all of Nintendo's LCD screens, from the GameBoy Pocket straight through to the DS. It's why it was funny when Sony fanboys started mocking the DS when dead pixels first started to appear.
The only difference is that the PSP is (per unit) getting one big double-sized screen, while the DS is getting twice as many smaller screens.
Sony also has Samsung working on some PSP screens, which supposedly look "cheaper", don't have colors that are as good, and have slightly less viewing angle, but I don't know if they're out yet.
The screen is supposedly one of the only parts of the PSP that isn't being made by Sony. And it's funny, because everyone always rags on Sony's shoddy workmanship, but that's the one part that's giving them the most trouble.
Post by: KDR_11k on March 28, 2005, 09:45:20 PM
Post by: oohhboy on March 29, 2005, 12:16:01 AM
Sony says "It's not a defect, it is part of what makes it unquie. now get out of here".
Even if the largers size of the screens were taken into account, Sony's screen should only have double the defect rate conpared to Nintendo. Nintendo uses two GBA size screens. Sony uses a single screen doulbe the size of a GBA. The surface area only quadurples. Since Nintendo needs two screens, the failure rate should only be double that of Nintendo.
The surface area is only multipled by 4 when you double the size of the screen. It isn't exponental. Its X^2 where X is the multipler from the original size. If I remmebr right exponential is the doubling the value of each generation.
This is the square of the generation. Exponential would over take square by the 7th generation.
Post by: PaLaDiN on March 29, 2005, 12:42:05 AM
And is the PSP screen actually quadruple the SA of a GBA screen? I find that hard to believe.
Post by: oohhboy on March 29, 2005, 02:20:49 AM
The assumption of each pixel having the same defect rate wouldn't be an assumption. It would be a fixed probality regardless of size of the screen. the manufacturing process would be the same regardless of size and if it was possible to make pizels one by one and assemble the said pixels into one screen, the defect rate per pixel would remain the same.
Post by: nitsu niflheim on March 29, 2005, 02:22:55 AM
Post by: huskyla24 on March 31, 2005, 03:09:25 PM
EW YORK (CNN/Money) - Sony's PSP might be a hit with critics, but consumers seem slightly less enthusiastic about the portable gaming machine.
Only 50 of 150 retailers surveyed by American Technology Research reported sell-outs of the PlayStation Portable in its first week. Analyst P. J. McNealy described the launch as "solid but not spectacular".
Of the 100 stores AmTech surveyed that were not sold out of PSPs, 15 reported having three units or less. Others reported higher levels, with some having as many as 100 in hand.
"We believe that the PSP has come close to shipping its target 1 million units in North America, with a range of 475,000 to 575,000 sold to date in the U.S. with roughly another 250,000 to 300,000 in the channel,"
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