Post by: ruby_onix on March 21, 2005, 10:28:09 PM
So, Namco is now redeeming themselves by making SC3 a PS2-exclusive! Umm... yay?
FYI, according to the latest NPD numbers, Soul Calibur 2's sales break down like this:
Soul Calibur II (GC): 789,964
Soul Calibur II (PS2): 736,372
Soul Calibur II (Xbox): 529,190
Multiplatform Total : 2,055,526
And I really don't know, but someone on another forum claimed that SC2 bombed on the PS2 in Japan, and that it was actually GCN>Xbox>PS2 over there. Does anyone have any reliable numbers for that?
Either way, I do think the game itself suffered a little by being multiplatform, but it was mostly that the GCN/Xbox versions were dragged down by the inferior hardware of the PS2, because the producer wanted to keep things "level", so the PS2 version wouldn't look bad (which it did anyways).
Anyways, I have two thoughts.
1: Moneyhats!
2: GamePro sure does suck.
Post by: Talon on March 22, 2005, 12:16:38 AM
I cant see any more people buying Soul Calibur 2 if it were an exclusive title. I dont understand the mentality of some people. I dont buy games based on their popularity or if they are exclusive, I buy games that I think I personally will enjoy Soul Calibur 2 (GCN version of course) is one of them. People really need to stop worrying about what everyone else is buying and just foccus on the things they like.
If anything going by those figures Namco should release Soul Calibur 3 on Gamecube or Revolution.
Post by: Deguello on March 22, 2005, 01:34:04 AM
Edit: And LOL at their "disappointment." They weren't disappointed when they gave it a 5/5.
Post by: Bill Aurion on March 22, 2005, 01:41:58 AM
Go go Gadget moneyhats!
Post by: clevelandst124 on March 22, 2005, 03:44:12 AM
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Post by: Savior on March 22, 2005, 05:49:09 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on March 22, 2005, 06:23:23 AM
If this is true I just GIVE UP when it comes to third parties. Soul Calibur II is an exceptional third party Gamecube success. Not only did it have a better userbase:games sold ratio on the Cube than on the PS2 but it actually sold more copies on the Gamecube. That's just unreal considering the significantly smaller userbase. That's like one guy winning a game against a whole basketball team.
And the reward for this is getting shafted? If this is true I'm convinced that third party publishers legitmately have a vendetta against Nintendo. People complain that Nintendo fans don't buy enough third party games. Why should we? There's no incentive. We get punished regardless of what we do even if we do what they want us to and make the game successful.
Post by: Savior on March 22, 2005, 06:34:22 AM
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Post by: Pale on March 22, 2005, 07:03:55 AM
Post by: Savior on March 22, 2005, 07:06:07 AM
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I'm pretty certain it's not true.
We didnt get Super Monkey Ball deluxe with the new stages...
Post by: Don'tHate742 on March 22, 2005, 07:09:18 AM
If Soul Calibur doesn't get released for the Cube, I will buy it for the PS2.........hahaha thought I was going all Die-Hard on ya huh?
Post by: Ian Sane on March 22, 2005, 07:24:15 AM
That makes a lot of sense but sadly third parties haven't used that logic much since the SNES/Genesis days. A good current example of it however is Dead or Alive. That's THE fighting game on the Xbox and is one of the most popular Xbox exclusives. When it was on other consoles it always was viewed as a second tier title to more popular fighting games.
Post by: Mario on March 22, 2005, 03:50:33 PM
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On the Cube though, there is only two good fighting games (or two fighting games period), Capcom Vs. SNK and Soul Calibur II.
More like SSBM is the best fighting game ever.
Post by: Bill Aurion on March 22, 2005, 04:16:25 PM
Sure IS!
Post by: RickPowers on March 22, 2005, 04:19:42 PM
Wait for an announcement from Namco or Sony before you get all up in arms. But in the meantime, I leave you with this ....
Each version of Soul Calibur 2 was EXCLUSIVE to it's respective platform. Each had a character you couldn't get on the other consoles, and frequently, that's all that's been needed to call a game "exclusive".
Post by: ruby_onix on March 22, 2005, 04:34:30 PM
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I dunno...I just feel like they are idiots here... Well either that or Sony gave them enough money to warrant cutting their sales in half.
I remember a Microsoft interview from a few years back, when the Xbox was just launching, the reporter asked them about buying exclusivity, and how much it costs. The Microsoft guy said that they had to learn that very quickly, and that (without getting into specifics) the formula they hit upon was that you had to offer a developer an amount of money equal to what they were projecting to earn on all the other consoles combined, and then the fact that this took "risk" out of the equation for the developer was the bait that would tip the scales and make things happen.
If that's true, then there are massive money hats going around in the buying of exclusives.
Post by: Avinash_Tyagi on March 23, 2005, 08:10:20 AM
Post by: Savior on March 23, 2005, 09:01:36 AM
Also Nintendo did say the Rare sale was going to go to exclusives..
Post by: anubis6789 on March 23, 2005, 09:55:17 AM
Another thing that points to this being fake for me is that the chick with the ring/chakram doesn't seem to fit with the other characters in the SC series , I don't know why just seems too much like a western design to me. She does look cool though.
Ian, I can't believe that I actualy heard you say that there might be a conspiresy (my spelling is bad, sorry) amongst third parties. Usually you blame Nintendo or fans for the poor third party support, which to varying degrees is true, but to hear you say something like that makes me believe the 7th seal is broken and Armmegedon is upon us.
Post by: Bill Aurion on March 23, 2005, 10:02:11 AM
Post by: Pale on March 23, 2005, 11:30:26 AM
Post by: ruby_onix on March 23, 2005, 12:33:49 PM
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I guess it means Capcom gave some money back since RE isnt exclusive....
It was said that the RE deal didn't come with any moneyhats. It was just something Mikami put together for Nintendo because he was pissed at Sony. Supposedly the only "incentive" was that the REmake and REZero were guaranteed to be successful (aka: million sellers), otherwise it was a deal-breaker.
The lack of a moneyhat, combined with Sony's outrage over the situation, is why Capcom's been trying to worm out of the deal ever since it was made.
And to be technical, Capcom still isn't "breaking" the deal. They just announced (well in advance, early enough to hurt RE4's sales) that they're going to be busting away from Nintendo's grasp and releasing RE4 on the PS2 the instant their contract with Nintendo expires.
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Also Nintendo did say the Rare sale was going to go to exclusives..
Yes, but everyone keeps forgetting that about a week after Ninty sold Rare, the European Union invented a shiny new "Selling Rare to Microsoft" tax, and took all of Nintendo's proceeds from the sale.
(Also, Nintendo would never have put all that money towards buying exclusives, because they just don't do that. They'd have put it towards buying up and supporting smaller "niche" companies, like Rare used to be, and like they did with Retro.)
Post by: joshnickerson on March 23, 2005, 01:41:03 PM
There has to be money involved somewhere. There's no other explaination.
I also agree about GamePRO. They're really been sucking lately. Saying that a game they gave a 5 out of 5 a year ago is "horrible" now just further proves that theory.
Post by: anubis6789 on March 23, 2005, 01:56:55 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on March 23, 2005, 04:31:06 PM
Post by: Savior on March 23, 2005, 04:35:22 PM
Is there an email to namco? Some "outrage" could maybe convince them to change their minds
Post by: anubis6789 on March 23, 2005, 05:25:48 PM
But that will all be moot if in fact Famitsu has confirmed this because if they say it then its probably right.
I am also thinking that Gamepro might have misunderstood the SYS 256 (or what ever its called) arcade board, which is based on the PS2 (and what I believe SCII ran off as well), for the actual PS2. Although I think thats a longshot.
Or maybe it will be a timed exclusive like RE4 is?
But at this point who knows?
Post by: Djunknown on March 23, 2005, 06:38:12 PM
RE: Soul Calibur III
Please die and rot in hell.
Sincerely,
Djunknown
GamePRO's been with me since I was 8 years old; 14 years of nostalgia turns into blind rage in 30 seconds. SCII a dissapointment? Well excuuuuse me princess that 2 million plus total sales is considered a dissapointment? What, they want Halo 2 numbers or something? Not only that, the supposed 'KiTty' system gets the better sales? This type of idiocy is...painful.
Now that I've vented, I'll wait for more concrete details. Even Tekken 5 went to the arcades first before touching down on PS2. That's their fighting game mainstay. I just hope logic and reasoning prevails. If not, Ian's conspiracy theory may just as well be true....
Post by: KDR_11k on March 23, 2005, 11:30:24 PM
There seems to be some hatred in this article. Soul Calibur 2 a disappointment? It was only a disappointment if you expected a step as large as SC1 was over Soul Edge and since Soul Edge was mediocre that step was huge. To do that step again SC2 would have been better than the absolutely perfect game. That is f###ing impossible.
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Post by: RickPowers on March 24, 2005, 11:58:31 AM
