Post by: Noble~Feather on March 05, 2005, 07:38:03 AM
Translated.
GDC looks to be bigger and bigger by the second.
Post by: Avinash_Tyagi on March 05, 2005, 07:43:14 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on March 05, 2005, 08:18:07 AM
Hot diggity damn that's good enough for me!
Post by: Avinash_Tyagi on March 05, 2005, 08:34:27 AM
This way there will be two systems available for online, the cheaper (not to mention weaker) GBA SP Online
And the more expensive but also more powerful DS
Post by: Don'tHate742 on March 05, 2005, 08:40:52 AM
Anyways, as humble as Iwata is, he doesn't have to use the pessimistic tone about his own company. Reggie seems happy to show the Rev, while Iwata seems worried or something. This could all be due to the translation, but in almost every qoute Iwata makes....it's like...depressing. /opinion
Good news all around and it's very nice to have something even more to look forward to such as Online, and the Mature titles that could possibly fill out the REV's line-up.
Post by: Famicom on March 05, 2005, 08:56:45 AM
Post by: Avinash_Tyagi on March 05, 2005, 09:15:32 AM
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Anyways, as humble as Iwata is, he doesn't have to use the pessimistic tone about his own company. Reggie seems happy to show the Rev, while Iwata seems worried or something. This could all be due to the translation, but in almost every qoute Iwata makes....it's like...depressing. /opinion
I think Iwata is just being an honest realist, I mean if the Rev is as different as its being hyped to be it might alienate developers who are just looking to port games across the platforms.
Though truthfully I don't want developers like that to make games for the Rev.
Post by: nemo_83 on March 05, 2005, 09:23:44 AM
Perfect Dark was ill marketed and less accessable than the Bond world; and EA has run the integrity of the Bond franchise as a game through the mud so even if they match the original Goldeneye they have still only matched it.
What Nintendo needs to do is ensure that they match the competition with a supply of mature third party content so they aren't lying when company reps say our sofware lineup is for everyone old and young, and they need to work on some new accessable mature franchises internally, perhaps not a movie liscence this time like Bond on the N64, but the game also has to attain critical acclaim the likes that Halo and Goldeneye recieved when they were first released. Yeah they could go the easiest route in the whole world and put blood in a Zelda game on Revolution, maybe even with cel shading, but what I want to see is that new game come out that people are saying is the next big franchise. I am waiting for that new game to come out that is the next Zelda, Mario, Resident Evil, or Metal Gear. One key thing is it has to be different, and by different I don't mean how Splinter Cell is different.
Iwata may seem doom and gloom to some, but to me he seems right on the money. He is being truthful, the industry is headed in the wrong direction and many developers agree that ultimately this could be another industry crash coming. If Nintendo doesn't do something different, who will? If noone does something different then I'm not going to buy a new console. I have two friends called NES and SNES who keep telling me I don't need anymore remakes of the games I already own on them.
It is about time they gave us a straight answer about online.
Post by: Hostile Creation on March 05, 2005, 10:26:55 AM
Overall this sounds really good. I'm liking the possibility of online DS (and other stuff, I suppose, but mostly DS), and hearing they're bringing mature games is good, even if not for me. Though a new franchise could be nice.
Post by: PaLaDiN on March 05, 2005, 11:20:50 AM
Post by: nemo_83 on March 05, 2005, 11:48:56 AM
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nemo, where in the interview does it say they'll only be picking up old, crusty franchises? And did you not read that Nintendo would be making their own now? New franchise, or something very old revived at least. MATURE KID ICARUS (Oh, and Geist) They're not making bloody Zelda, you can bet your boots on that.
Overall this sounds really good. I'm liking the possibility of online DS (and other stuff, I suppose, but mostly DS), and hearing they're bringing mature games is good, even if not for me. Though a new franchise could be nice.
Isn't the speach on the 10th?
In the interview Reggie said they would be going after liscences. That means they may be trying to get existing games series like GTA or Silent Hill or movie liscences. It is not a bad thing, but they are missing the point that they need to make their own large scale mature rated game that can stand beside Zelda. People who are not buying Nintendo right now are looking for the next new thing. Geist is not going to be able to stand beside Zelda. Maybe if we are lucky Geist will be able to stand beside the new Star Wars Republic Commando on Xbox. Geist is original and mature and what I want to see more of from Nintendo. It reminds me of Goldeneye when I look at it. But I still want to see much grander scale game. A mature Kid Iccarus would be nice, but it would be a liscence they are reviving. I don't think we will get blood in Zelda, but it would be the biggest selling game in a long time. I remember when they made all these promises about new franchises and stuff back when they were hyping the GameCube. Pikmin delivered. Pikmin's gameplay, graphics, and design were great, but the game's theme of raising flowers did not sit well with college aged guys as well as a necromancer game would have. Outside of Pikmin though there has not been a serious new contender from Nintendo that is a real game. Nintendo seems to rather use their liscences as an asthetic and then we get games like Star Fox Adventures, Donkey Konga, and Metroid Pinball. I miss the Nintendo that created StarFox, Metroid, Mario, and Zelda. Why have they not created new franchises in the volume they once did?
Post by: RickPowers on March 05, 2005, 02:30:13 PM
Post by: Noble~Feather on March 05, 2005, 03:02:54 PM
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MATURE KID ICARUS
Hehehehehehe.
As for Geist, lemme just tell you not to get to hopeful on it... I mean, this is coming from the people who made the Olsen games. >.<
But hey, maybe they can somehow make it AAA. I'd be surprised, however, if they did.
Post by: mantidor on March 05, 2005, 04:00:22 PM
I dont get you people anyway, Reggie didnt said anything we didnt knew already anyway... and also Iwata was far from being pessimistic, it sounds like it, and with the media giving headlines " Iwata fears third parties will go away" which is an ugly twist of his words, people now think that Iwata believes the revolution will fail, which is completly false.
Now I have to buy the Club Nintendo magazine, which sadly came to my country almost with a whole two month delay! damn mexicans ¬_¬ anyway if he gives some new info and no one has commented on it I gladly will do it ^^
Post by: PaLaDiN on March 05, 2005, 04:40:20 PM
"R: Yes. In the case of 'Mature' games we're working internally, as well as with licensees, to make sure that they develop big titles for that segment of people."
Post by: Hostile Creation on March 05, 2005, 05:11:54 PM
I'm not holding the Olsen games against them. Geist will prove what they can do, and I will have no pre-conceived notions of what it will be.
Also:
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A mature Kid Iccarus would be nice
You know I was kidding, right? That would be retarded.
Post by: PaLaDiN on March 05, 2005, 05:36:21 PM
Post by: Djunknown on March 05, 2005, 06:25:27 PM
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O_O Reggie in latinamerica! will he ever come to Colombia? not a chance, he doesnt need too, although xbox and ps2 sell more, Nintendo has the last laugh since piracy is absurd in these two consoles, Ive never even seen someone with an original game for these two... even with the probably dead sales of GC, Nintendo makes more profit than the other two consoles combined.
Probably, but they have little mindshare. I dunno how it is in Colombia, but its next door neighbor Venezuela "Ain't doing so hot."
Ay Caramba chamo!
They gotta do something. Granted, Latin America might be considered a 'minor' territory like Austraila, but they need all the mindshare they can spare (no rhyme intended).
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"R: Yes. In the case of 'Mature' games we're working internally, as well as with licensees, to make sure that they develop big titles for that segment of people."
So if Mario's not shooting hookers, who will?
Post by: nemo_83 on March 05, 2005, 06:27:10 PM
He says for their part they will keep doing what they have been doing: Mario, Metroid, DK, etc. He says they will keep launching mature games through licensees. That may mean that they will aquire third party franchises to develop internally like they did with MGS or that they want to aquire movie franchises. The good thing is that he says big games. I am still waiting for Nintendo to release original internally developed mature games that can compete with GTA.
Post by: PaLaDiN on March 05, 2005, 07:23:49 PM
Post by: Deguello on March 05, 2005, 08:40:25 PM
Post by: Ian Sane on March 05, 2005, 09:05:15 PM
I agree with that in general. Resident Evil didn't sell Cubes and it wasn't because Nintendo's for kids or anything like that. It was because Resident Evil is old hat and although it still sells well it doesn't sell systems. Only brand new stuff sells consoles with very few exceptions.
Just looks at some past killer apps:
Genesis: Sonic the Hedgehog was the big seller and he was brand new. A brand new unproven character was seen as Mario's equal after only one game.
SNES: There's debate over what sold the SNES but at the time what got every boy in my class to get one was Street Fighter II. That game played unlike anything we had played before. It was pretty much the start of a new genre.
Playstation: Final Fantasy VII. Technically a sequel but at the time there were no RPGs with the style this one had. Like or not this game changed RPGs forever.
N64: Super Mario 64. Another sequel but again this was complete unlike anything before it.
Gameboy: Pokemon. Brand new franchise coming out of nowhere.
PS2: GTA3. Another sequel but again this was something new. Plus it's not like it sold because of the name brand of the previous games.
Xbox: Halo. It's a concept that's been done before but Halo as a franchise was new.
Sonic Adventure didn't make the Dreamcast a big success and Super Mario Sunshine didn't sell a lot of Cubes. Street Fighter has been largely a niche title since the 16-bit era. Final Fantasy, though still popular, isn't nearly as big as it was on the PS1.
The Revolution could have GTA as an EXCLUSIVE and I'll bet it wouldn't sell systems. GTA is played. There's been three games for it on the PS2. It will probably still sell well but people won't feel the need to purchase a whole console for it. Killer apps are rarely what you would expect them to be. Nintendo's best bet at finding the next 'it" game is to get devs working on non-franchise titles. Only from originality will killer apps arise.
Post by: Deguello on March 05, 2005, 09:14:44 PM
I actually agree with Ian. GTA is played out to the max. Unless they can find some way to reinvent or keep the series fresh, I doubt GTA wil have much pull in the next gen. Their current formula, despite having great success with GTA SA selling 12 million, is making the game go stale at an accelerated rate. That forumla being "You steal <vehicle> in <city> in the <decade> while being a <stereotype>." If they can't get a new idea in there besides just upping the graphics then GTA will lose some, if not a whole lot, of its popularity.
"Final Fantasy, though still popular, isn't nearly as big as it was on the PS1."
This really has nothing to do with people just not liking it anymore. Square dicked around with FF this generation with that MMORPG garbage and side-story crap. Even Crystal Chronicles did better than FFXI for the PS2.
Post by: Artimus on March 06, 2005, 05:45:05 AM
Post by: Don'tHate742 on March 06, 2005, 06:14:30 AM
I agree with you Ian, that the only to have a killer app is to re-invent a franchise or make a completely new one. That's why I hope Camelot isn't working on a GS or if they do, they re-invent it.
Post by: The Omen on March 06, 2005, 07:31:40 AM
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The Revolution could have GTA as an EXCLUSIVE and I'll bet it wouldn't sell systems. GTA is played. There's been three games for it on the PS2. It will probably still sell well but people won't feel the need to purchase a whole console for it. Killer apps are rarely what you would expect them to be. Nintendo's best bet at finding the next 'it" game is to get devs working on non-franchise titles. Only from originality will killer apps arise.
GTA isn't done yet. It has one huge game left...and if it's exclusive to Nintendo, you can bet it'll move systems. However, if they release another GTA before the next gen, it won't mean much...the demand will be long saturated. Funny how just 1 too many can make that much of a difference.
I have contacts at a pretty huge third party, and they haven't received any Dev kits for Revolution, or sp[ecs for that matter. Hopefully soon though...
Post by: nemo_83 on March 06, 2005, 12:16:44 PM
SFII was what put the SNES over.
Hardcore gamers are burned out on GTA. Maybe one good one on a next gen system will still generate sells, but the game won't push as many systems as it did with the PS2. Look how spectacular RE4 is, and it is not selling like GTA was on the PS2 and technically GTA was attrocious looking.
Post by: couchmonkey on March 07, 2005, 05:43:25 AM
I agree that picking up an existing franchise probably won't sell Revolutions necessarilly, but there are a couple of comments I have to make:
-Resident Evil 1 did sell Cubes, just not as many as Halo or GTA sold of their respective consoles.
-Resident Evil 1 was a remake. If Capcom had released Resident Evil 4 in the form it's in now (or even a 10% less incredible form) I think it would have sold more consoles.
-One game usually isn't enough to sell a system on its own. Resident Evil and Eternal Darkness were the lone "M" rated games in a landscape dominated by Nintendo's usual family friendly games. Heading into 2003, Nintendo had a decent lineup for adults, but it kind of fell apart in that year with Mario Kart, Cel-shaded Zelda and Viewtiful Joe heading up the system exclusives. F-Zero Soul Calibur II was the closest thing to a mature exclusive title Nintendo had.
Umm, so I guess my point is, Nintendo needs more than one "M" title. I think it needs one star, and then a good lineup of backers.
Post by: KDR_11k on March 07, 2005, 06:12:25 AM
It's possible to create a game that appeals to mature audiences without having it rated any higher than E or T. GT4 didn't get rated M yet nobody would dare to think it's meant for children. Nintendo might need to pursue styles that resonate more with the adult gamer. Crime (investigation), SciFi, Fantasy, Sports, Reality in general. Why did Metroid Prime resonate with that audience despite containing no serious violence? Because it had a setting that could happen in real life, no stylized people and stuff like that. Why does the new Zelda attract so much attention? The world looks closer to reality. These days people have been conditioned to think of anything not resembling reality as childish. Trying to break this conditioning is sure a commendable goal but doesn't exactly work when you're not a major force in the market.
I, for example, would like to see Nintendo make a space sim that doesn't have a main character that appeals mostly to furries. Preferrably one of those free space sims (as in Elite, not Freespace). Those would also be able to teach children because they involve things other than fighting enemies (and usually discourage fighting during the early game).
Post by: Don'tHate742 on March 07, 2005, 06:52:43 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on March 07, 2005, 07:27:39 AM
Post by: couchmonkey on March 08, 2005, 04:48:28 AM
I agree that it's more about image than how mature the games actually are, but that's kind of my point. Sony is pumping out games that are "cool". Even their E rated games are all arguably slicker than Nintendo's. That's exactly why I like Nintendo's games better, I'd rather play something with lots of personality and colours. But looking at a casual gamer that wants to look cool and play games that are aimed at him instead of kids, Sony's selection is usually better. Looking at the PSP lineup, Hotshots Golf is the only major PSP release that's anywhere near as cartoony and cute as Nintendo's products, and even it's still more slick and sterile than Mario Golf by a good margin.
Looking at some of the other big releases, you've got Metal Gear Ac!d which is a potentially dumb game, but nothing that an image-conscious adult gamer would be embarrassed to play; Ridge Racers and Lumines, which are E-rated but they're also age-neutral games with nothing really embarrassing or cartoony in them; and Darkstalkers which is ironically a little cartoony and might not appeal to some adults even though it probably will get a T rating instead of an E rating.
Overall, that PSP lineup is a lot cooler looking to an adult that's worried about his image than Mario, Wario and Yoshi. I believe having a lineup of cool products makes a difference, and Nintendo doesn't usually have that. It has one or two
"cool" games mixed in with a heap of Mario, Pokemon, Kirby and the rest.
Post by: KDR_11k on March 08, 2005, 07:41:13 AM
But yes, I agree with you. Nintendo doesn't even need to change much, they just need to make people THINK they're appealing to adults. Obviously that "We're making games for everyone" doesn't cut it. Vegetarian meals can be eaten by normal eaters as well but without the occassional meat they'll get angry.
Post by: pitbull on March 19, 2005, 11:06:09 AM
Post by: ThePerm on March 19, 2005, 02:43:05 PM
Post by: Ages on March 19, 2005, 03:45:09 PM
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I'd like to see Sega make new and better installments of Jet Moto and Shenmue for Rev. Why didn't they make them for current systems?
Sega didnt make Jet Moto, and Shenmue is on the Xbox, thanks to my post is a train wreck's money hats. I bet my post is a trainwreck *nods*
