Post by: vudu on February 14, 2005, 08:15:53 AM
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As the 16-bit war progressed, Genesis quickly became the system of choice for teenage males. The Genesis was cool, while the Super NES (with its soft chunky greys and violets) was regarded as a "kid_die system." It was an image bolstered largely by Sega's new mascot, Sonic the Hedgehog, whose slick blue moves made Mario seem dumpy and childish by comparison. … Nintendo had a hammerlock on the surreal, candy-like, linear RPG-loving tastes of Japanese gamers, but the sleek black Genesis console and its no-nonsense approach to the art of video gaming appealed to the western teens who had grown up with the NES. It's become a cliche, but Nintendo refused to "grow up" with its gamers….
And then there’s this one from the Sonic The Hedgehog entry.
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[Sonic The Hedgehog] helped Sega claim victory in the 16-bit console war.
First off, when did the Genesis (or Mega Drive) win the 16-bit console war? I know it was really popular in Europe, but didn’t the SNES beat the pants off it everywhere else?
Second, was the SNES really a “kid_die system”? I didn’t think that term was used in reference to until the Nintendo 64/PlayStation era.
I remember the whole Mortal Kombat fiasco, but I was under the impression that that was an isolated incident and the general public didn’t think Nintendo was for younger players until much later.
Is 1up a bunch of clownboats who are just trying to rag on Nintendo, or did I completely miss something up until this point? Are they just trying to say "we're so cool we knew Nintendo was for kids back when they were still on top"?
BTW, I have to use kid_die because if I turn off emoticons, links no longer work. Great job PGC.
Post by: Avinash_Tyagi on February 14, 2005, 08:18:17 AM
As for the rest, its probably just 1up displaying hindsight bias.
Post by: Ian Sane on February 14, 2005, 08:27:24 AM
Nintendo became "kid_dy" once people plugged in their N64 and were greeted with "Itsa me Mario". That stupid voice pretty much killed Nintendo's image right there. SNES-era Nintendo is like Rockstar compared to the Nintendo of today.
Post by: Bill Aurion on February 14, 2005, 09:01:32 AM
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Post by: Djunknown on February 14, 2005, 05:54:37 PM
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the SNES Was cool because it had the best version of Street Fighter 2 at the time...
I dunno... The Genesis version had Champion Edition and Turbo rolled in one, whereas The SNES just released regular SFII and Turbo(To be fair, SNES had Street fighter to itself first). The controls were much closer to the arcade on the Genesis with its 3-button layout, it was perfect if you had the 6 button. As far as for Super Street Fighter 2, The SNES version seems to edge out its Genesis counterpart. The SNES version looked cleaner, had clearer sound, but fewer samples.
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Anyone who rags on the SNES is either a die-hard Sega fanboy, a revisionist history jerk, or an ignorant doofus who never played games in the 2D era
True dat as they say. I always pictured the 16-bit wars as a draw, two rivals who couldn't completely dominate the other until the next war. They played to their strengths to the fullest, and both had excellent 3rd-party support, even though it wasn't the greatest. Oh well, its not like I cared about market share, and how many units did X game pull off back in the day....
Post by: darknight06 on February 14, 2005, 07:47:05 PM
Post by: Gamefreak on February 14, 2005, 08:23:43 PM
And I also definitely remember Genesis losing the console wars. It almost had as much as SNES market share in US.... but in Japan (the larger market at the time) it was owned almost as badly as Xbox. (mainly due to certain SNES exlusive RPG's....now PS2 exclusive. Funny how that works)
Also, SNES lasted way longer than Genesis, well into the PSX/Saturn period and even sold fairly well the year N64 was released (mainly due to the DKC trilogy and a few other late games like Killer Instinct).
Also, SNES completely owned the important 1994/1995 period (the last big hurrah before the new systems) with games like Super Metroid, DKC trilogy, Final Fantasy 6, Chrono Trigger, Killer Instinct, Earthbound, and so on.
Post by: KDR_11k on February 15, 2005, 05:22:14 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on February 15, 2005, 06:16:49 AM
The SNES version of SFII Turbo has Champion Edition and Turbo rolled into one as well.
Post by: couchmonkey on February 15, 2005, 06:28:21 AM
I think the quote from 1Up accurately reflects the feeling that Sega was "cooler" than Nintendo in the 90s, at least in North America, but it ignores the fact that the generation was very close. Nintendo maintained a lot of popularity even though it lacked coolness.
Edit: HA HA HA!! I forgot that how much I used to love HALO 2.
But that was yesterday.
Post by: Uglydot on February 15, 2005, 01:17:08 PM
Post by: skyfire on February 17, 2005, 04:12:04 PM
That was the only thing that made the genesis popular, it's marketing campaign. Pound for pound the SNES just delivered while the genesis was just lacking. Lucky for sega most North americans are followers and like to be lied too (blast proccessing anyone?).
Funny enough, the only thing that I was jealous about the genesis being a SNES fan is that genesis games came in those plastic cases whereas we only got cardboard. I would have gladly paid more if it meant having my games in those kind of cases.
Post by: Gamefreak on February 17, 2005, 04:30:02 PM
Post by: skyfire on February 18, 2005, 11:29:16 AM
Footnote: If i recall correctly the reason why Nintendo redesigned the carts is because people were just pulling there carts out of the system instead of doing the smart thing and push the eject button. The 1st version of the snes has a latch that comes out and goes into that groove in the front middle of the carts when you turn on the power. So when these idiots were pulling there games out they were wrecking there SNES's. Serves them right for being that stupid.
Post by: King of Twitch on February 18, 2005, 11:39:34 AM
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If i recall correctly the reason why Nintendo redesigned the carts is because people were just pulling there carts out of the system instead of doing the smart thing and push the eject button. The 1st version of the snes has a latch that comes out and goes into that groove in the front middle of the carts when you turn on the power. So when these idiots were pulling there games out they were wrecking there SNES's. Serves them right for being that stupid.
I resent that comment. I went from having an Atari to SNES, it's not my fault the design was behind the times
Ah, now I know why the groove changed; I thought it was to make the Game Genie usesless on future games.
All I know is, is that I felt like someone shot me when the Games for Less clerk said there would be an Ultra 64 coming out to replace the SNES </3
Post by: KDR_11k on February 18, 2005, 11:11:53 PM
Post by: Myxtika1 Azn on February 19, 2005, 05:01:39 AM
I also remember reading on one of these forums a while ago that the reason why Nintendo changed the SNES carts was that some nobody went and got a patent on it. Nintendo had to change it or get sued.
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Post by: Nephilim on February 22, 2005, 12:58:33 AM
while Nintendo was still living of the success of a updated port of a nes game.
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Post by: The Omen on February 22, 2005, 03:27:42 PM
I still think the SNES is the best system ever. The RPGs alone made it the system to buy. Add in Nintendo first party games, and it was dominate.
Post by: darknight06 on February 22, 2005, 03:34:04 PM
Post by: Aussie Ben PGC on February 22, 2005, 06:01:59 PM
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I still think the SNES is the best system ever. The RPGs alone made it the system to buy. Add in Nintendo first party games, and it was dominate.
Wow, RPGs? It must have been nice to have those.
For goodness sake, I remember having to rent an import version of Bugs Bunny Rabbit Rampage because it wasn't released locally.
Post by: oohhboy on February 22, 2005, 10:55:45 PM
Post by: Ian Sane on February 23, 2005, 06:18:28 AM
True but you have to remember that at the time this was still a reasonably new idea. A game like Final Fantasy IV may look generic and cookie cutter now but at the time it was way beyond any RPG that had been on the NES. Plus it's not like RPGs aren't even MORE cookie cutter now.
Post by: Aussie Ben PGC on February 23, 2005, 12:15:23 PM
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Post by: Bill Aurion on February 25, 2005, 03:06:10 AM
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Originally posted by: Aussie Ben PGC
Are you kidding? The only way I could get Illusion of Gaia was through import. And I never could find Soulblazer. Got Terranigma though. *sigh* [Insert moaning about modern games not being as good as old ones here]
Terranigma is the only good one of those anyway! (More like Terranigma is one of the best games of all-time! =D)
