Post by: ThePerm on February 09, 2005, 04:23:35 AM
Higher Capacity disks- I want higher capacity disks because I don't want developers passing on the next system or doing lazy rush ports on the system because it has smaller disks. Nintendo improved this from finally switching from cartridges to optical, but it still had some of the same problems even though the situation was alot better. I HATE looking at artifacted as hell fmvs. There is no reason why Nintendo's system should be held back. Make it proprietary, but all means don't limit developers more on a Nintendo's system than a competitors.
Backwards Compatability- It sounds hypocritial to ask for Higher capacity disks and ask for backward compataility at the same time, but its worked. It worked for ps2, the gameboy line, and now its working for ds. It just works. Find some way to do it. Make the newer higher capacity disks the same physical size...do whatever...just don't slack. There WILL be people who will see that there were a bunch of games that they missed on the cube and will pick up revolution with a few new and a few old.
A built in ethernet port. So the system will have one damn thing that isn't automatically proprietary. Big deal. Having this little port on the system will guarantee that you don't have to spend the money to try to deal with a split market for people who want internet games and those who don't. In fact third party developers will see itas a sign that you are also moving forward just as your competitors are. This has worked well for xbox...and with the next generation im sure whatever happened on the xbox will be a more established thing on the next system
A fucking Pokémon game thats crazy. Thats right back to the online thing. I want to beable to get online. Meet trainers and woop their ass with my Charizard. Build a big freaking world and don't just send the game off to a little developer and expect us to think that just because its pokémon that it will be good.
3rd party support. ****...get Metal Gear. Pay them the fuck off. I don't care what you do but if you could get Metal Gear, Splinter Cell or some unexpected franchise exclusive then you'll have some advantage. To an extent it worked for Resident Evil. Have two franchises like this. I'm talking mature ones actually. Nintendo getting these isn't abandoning their audience. Its expanding it. Or more or less ditching some bullshit steriotype. If you had some announcement at e3 that you had Metal Gear AND Splinter Cell exclusive for your next system and showed them off in next gen glory. People would shit their pants.
2nd party trust. In this generation we lost Rare. The fucking beloved Rare. We felt confort in "hey we still got Silicon Knights'.....and THEN WTF. Get some 3rd parties, make em exclusive..buy their full support, invest in their company..buy percentages of the stock...and fricking more importantly of all make them GOOD. Things like geist, and advanced wars bother me. We lost Rare and Sk, and now we get these games that look sort of less than what we always expect out of Nintendo.
Expand your Franchises!!! We love Mario, Zelda, Dk, Metroid, and Pokémon. But damnit weve played 1000 incarnations of those games. Is it time for Bayou Jack, Samurai Billy, Metal Cell, or Splinter Gear. Something new please. I love Nintendo's style, but I also remember a time when I would play somehting made by Nintendo with Nintendo's style and it was something new.
First Party games more often. It shouldnt take 6 years for every Mario game. Really. Nes had 3 marios, super nintendo 2, n64 1, gamecube 1. With Mario 64 you established platforming. Then you tried to do something different by adding a waterpack and thinking it was all innovative..it wasn't it was kazooie on mario's back dressed like a water cannon. Take mario 64, bring back the long jump...and jsut build alot of freaking levels..they would all be based on mario physics. In some ways i think Nintendo is innovative. In other ways i don't think they even try anymore. With games like prince of persia being just as good as a nintendo game...(the detail, the intuitive control, the plotline, the setup...although i think pop:WW kinds sucks). It seems as though Nintendo is doing right with the new Zelda(i don't mean maturing it...i can see some gameplay improvements)
anyways, thats my rant. Feel free to add what you want or just criticize me. This is one of those times when less isn't better.
Post by: Bill Aurion on February 09, 2005, 05:00:09 AM
I hear enough of Ian and others whining about how many Mario games there are... -_-
Post by: ThePerm on February 09, 2005, 05:04:51 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on February 09, 2005, 06:56:22 AM
I mean Mario spinoffs. I want to see less Mario Generis Rehash and more Mario Amazing Platformer.
Well Perm pretty much said the same stuff I would say. You could pretty much sum it up as "stop doing all this stupid sh!t." Though having both Metal Gear and Splinter Cell seems a little redundant since both games are so similar.
The main thing I want beyond what Perm said is options. I'm tired of Nintendo TELLING me what I want to play and what I want to do. In general I like what Nintendo offers but sometimes I want to play types of games that Nintendo doesn't make or go online or play demo discs without doing all sorts of weird sh!t to get them. I want to able to hook my system up with component cables I can buy in a store instead of ordering online from Nintendo themselves. I want to able to buy one memory card at launch that will last me for years. I want flexibility. I want a console that is designed to accomodate all genres and all developers and all gamers, not just Nintendo themselves.
I want a modern equivalent of the SNES, minus the slowdown.
Post by: Spak-Spang on February 09, 2005, 08:26:27 AM
Mario Tennis for Gamecube is one of the best Tennis games made. Sure you have to turn off the special "Smash Hits" but once you do you have a very deep and enjoyable party game. Besides the Smash Hits allowed younger games to play the game as well. So you can have a deep experience without the special moves, or have the special moves for added bonus.
Mario Golf Toadstool Tours took this franchise into a whole new realm of golf fun. I just wish they did more with it...and next game will be awesome. This golf game is deep, and keeping with the traditional power guage you have skill with the slight element of chance mixed into the game. Very cool system, and very fun game.
Mario Kart: Double Dash may not have been the best game in the series, but it is fun and enjoyable to play.
I don't want these fun games to disappear...I want more of these games.
Here is what I want:
1)Continued innovation with controlling games. We haven't yet found the best controller for games. I love that Nintendo's pursuit has always included involving the controls for games. Sony and Microsoft both have been lazy in designing their controls for their systems, and I predict their next systems will have very few innovations.
2)Quicker release of quality new games, and favorite franchise games.
3)Full wireless controls.
4)A more powerful system at a very affordable price. I don't want to pay more than $250 dollars for a game system. If Sony or Microsoft try to make me pay $300+ then I will say no. I live on a budget.
5)Uniqueness. I expect Nintendo to create something that seperates them from the competition.
Post by: Ian Sane on February 09, 2005, 09:08:26 AM
Nintendo doesn't do that anymore while Sony and MS do. Sony made Killzone to try to get the Halo experience on the PS2 while MS got GTA on the Xbox. The two companies are doing what they can to cancel out each other's advantages. It doesn't sell systems but it keeps the userbase from jumping ship. And they've done a pretty decent job of cutting out the advantages of the Cube as well. Sony has Jak and Ratchet & Clank to cancel out Mario while MS has Blinx. Sure they're not necessarily as good as Mario but they get the job done. Zelda meanwhile is cancelled out by Dark Cloud and Fable.
However Nintendo has done absolutely NOTHING to combat GTA or Halo. There are no exclusive games on the Cube with the open gameplay design of GTA and there are no exclusive first person shooters that I can think of. Those are holes. Holes that Sony and MS made sure to fill on their consoles. Holes that Sega would have filled. On the Revolution I want Nintendo to acknowledge when the competition has something they don't have and try to fill the void with an alternative. I would love to see what Nintendo could do with the gameplay of GTA (no not the violence, the gameplay). There should be no types of games that are exclusive to another console. I should never feel that I'm missing out by sticking with only Nintendo.
Post by: vudu on February 09, 2005, 09:21:29 AM
Post by: SgtShiversBen on February 09, 2005, 09:38:45 AM
I also hope they put a handle on this one too. Sure it made it seem like a lunchbox, but hell, it spoiled me for handles. I got my laptop cause it has a handle and I love carrying this thing around saying "You know you want this."
Ian, back then the companies weren't at a war. They were just trying to out do each other, not obliterate. I wish that's how it was now. There was competiveness, but not massacres. They also did respect each other rather than say "Nintendo is for babies, buy our MATURE games." Because of this new attitude, may the gaming empire come to a crash.
Post by: Spak-Spang on February 09, 2005, 09:40:46 AM
1)Eternal Darkness was snatched so that Nintendo can say they have a mature game on their system...it didn't sell well despite rave reviews.
2)Nintendo made a deal to get Metal Gear Solid on its system, and it didn't sell well despite that it was an exclusive Metal Gear Game.
Then Nintendo decided to go a different route they started to crank out their games more frequently by giving them to 3rd parties to create.
Nintendo released F-Zero designed by Sega, Metroid designed by a new 2nd party (now 1st party developer) Nintendo farmed out Zelda 4 swords, Mario Party, and Star Fox Armada. All of these games are exclusives and are fun (yes even Star Fox) and have been very successful for Nintendo.
Nintendo has quite a few great exclusives on their system, that I feel have been unfortunately ignored by the gaming public.
Post by: MaleficentOgre on February 09, 2005, 10:08:44 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on February 09, 2005, 10:13:09 AM
Yeah that's true though since it's being made by a developer who's claim to fame is crappy Olsen twin games I'm going to remain sceptical.
"Ian I would argue Nintendo has done what you said about aggressively providing exclusives to counter balance, but then stopped when certain games weren't successful."
There was no real effort though. It was half-assed. One exclusive mature game and one Metal Gear remake is not a legimate effort in my eyes. It wasn't successful because Nintendo put only a bare minimum of effort into it. It's like if Nintendo doesn't want to do something they'll half-ass it and then use the inevitable failure that follows to justify not doing it again.
Post by: Gamefreak on February 09, 2005, 11:04:01 AM
Post by: Artimus on February 09, 2005, 04:02:34 PM
Nintendo should've made the GCN look 'grown up', not be purple and funnily shaped, not have a cutsey coloured controller, and to actually fight hard to get ALL multiplatform games. Imagine how different the 'war' would be right now if Nintendo had convinced Square to make FF:CC online and not GBA. Or if they had gotten dual rights with FFXI. Imagine if Nintendo managed to get GTA on its system. Imagine having just as many third party games as PS2 PLUS having online MK, SSB, a Mario platformer people like (SMS gets abad rap though), a more difficult Zelda, etc. THAT would be unbeatable. The problem isn't that Nintendo would have to stop being Nintendo, it's that they refuse to compete. A game like The Wind Waker (brilliant game with the only flaw being difficulty) wouldn't have received half the criticism it did if Nintendo wasn't already perceived as tiku tiku tiku! .
Nintendo had a problem coming from the N64: they were perceived as a toy compared to the techie Sony, and they were perceived as being sparse on games with nothing from third parties. They've done some things this gen to improve them, but the things are individual and seperate. Nintendo isn't makign games for everyone. They're way on the family side of everyone. Games for everyone means Pooh's Honey Jar Game for the kids, Mario for everyone, and GTA for the adults. If you want to be the company for eveyrone then you need to offer games for individual age groups as well as all age groups.
Nintendo did not try hard enough.
Post by: Famicom on February 09, 2005, 04:15:13 PM
As for what I want out of the Rev, pretty much the same thoughts that everyone else in the world has. Solid online structure, universal controller, crazy sick Pokemon game, new franchises, more third party support/wider variety of genres. I wish Tetrisphere would come back. And Tetris Attack/Pokemon Puzzle League/whatever they wanna call it needs a game EVERY generation.
Post by: Famicom on February 09, 2005, 04:25:45 PM
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Nintendo is simply in disarray. They're basically not competing with Sony and Microsoft. This generation started out the first year with games coming for PS2, or PS2 and GCN. Now they're all XBOX and PS2. The XBOX is now the best selling system (natually Sony has the higher user base) and Nintendo is still trying to get second.
Not much to argue here.
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Nintendo should've made the GCN look 'grown up', not be purple and funnily shaped, not have a cutsey coloured controller
Now I don't have a problem with the rest of your argument since I pretty much agree with it, but in the case of the look of the GCN, I wouldn't lump that in with "not trying." Simplistic yes, but it's still a sleek hardware design. The Indigo color and the handle it could have done without however. And they certainly "tried" to make the controller as user friendly as possible with different sized buttons, but in the end it just added to the perceived kiddy image.
Post by: Caillan on February 09, 2005, 05:25:40 PM
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We love Mario, Zelda, Dk, Metroid, and Pokémon. But damnit weve played 1000 incarnations of those games. Is it time for Bayou Jack, Samurai Billy, Metal Cell, or Splinter Gear. Something new please.
I'm split on this. When I play Mario Power Tennis I know I'm playing a Good Game. It's established in mind from the beginning, and a sort of embellished nostalgia lulls me into trance. The problem is that the studio working on it simultaniously was quite specifically not working on a GC Golden Sun. That really sort of pisses me off. I'd rather be blown away by one of every three titles than consistently buy games I can enjoy for a few hours. Geist might suck at release, but it's Nintendo trying something new without wasting their time.
Matching titles is an important part of competition. Remember Jonny's editorial "XBox or PS2?"? This is partially why the Cube is shunned by the Horde. If little Timmy hears his friends at school talking about how cool Vice City is, he will shy away from the Cube simply because it does not allow him to purchase the game in the future. Nintendo should be prepared to bribe Rockstar and have it ported - they'll keep their 'family' image anyway.
Lastly, I think second or third parties that cannot be absolutely trusted should not have franchises handed out to them. Let them make original games in partnership with Nintendo instead.
Post by: Ian Sane on February 09, 2005, 08:01:48 PM
Yes. This is what bugs me the most about all these spinoffs. Mario Power Tennis could have been made by EAD but EAD couldn't make a Camelot RPG. When a third party makes a Mario game they are not able to put what makes them unique to use. Different devs have different talents and abilities that make them unique. They are wasted on a formula franchise title that could be handled by pretty much anyone. What's the better game? Ikaruga or Wario World? Ikaruga is brilliant and is an original creation by Treasure. Wario World is Treasure working within EAD's formula and the result is an average game. It's like bringing in Eric Clapton to record some guitar for a song and then forcing him to play the same way as the regular guitarist would play.
Post by: Truthliesn1seyes on February 09, 2005, 10:39:12 PM
Sony has every angle covered by default simpley becuase of their user base. They don't really have to do much. I'm not even going to get into the pc in a box that is the xbox. The xbox is nothing more than a fps's dreambox. It does have some unique exclusive role playing games like KOTOR 1 and 2 and fable (which isn't all its cracked up to be) but beyond Halo (grossly overrated), there is little reason to really invest in an Xbox.
Also, don't forget that we are to blaim for alot of Nintendo's 3rd party problems. Gamecube consumers are notoriously known to not support quality 3rd party software. I think a big reason in this is becuase Gamecube owners are either multi console owners or diehard Nintendo fans that aren't interested in anything outside of Nintendo.
Personally though, I believe Nintendo has learned somewhat from this generation. If the rumors are to be believed, I don't think Nintendo is going to go skimpy on the optical disk's space this coming gen, there will be an ethernet port right out the box and their lineup will be more diversafied. Nintendo has been outsourcing alot of its games lately so you have to figure they putting time elsewhere. The 3rd party problem is something they need to work on and we need to support. All they can do is provide us with the games, its up to us to actually buy them. Forget 2nd party, they come and go, Nintendo has an eye out for quality teams so I'm sure this next gen we'll see the next SK and Rare. Remember, whoever thought Retro would be as good as they are. Speaking of Rare, let it go, there are a mere shadow of what they once were. They are the only company that takes longer than Nintendo to develope games and the quality isn't even up there anymore. SK was a good team but I'm sure we haven't seen the last of them on Nintendo hardware, besides we have to see if they can are the real deal. All we've expereinced from them lately is ED (a gem no doubt) and a remake of MGS.
I understand everyone's complaints ( I feel the pain lol, I'm a diehard Nintendo fanboy yet also a multi console owner) and I ain't trying to be a d*ck, but you have to be realistic sometimes. Change can not happen overnight. Nintendo is changing for the better. Look at the complaints the N64 had. Nintendo fixed the cartridge prob, we've recieved more 3rd party support (Squareenix, Namco and Capcom are putting ing much stronger support compared to then) and 1st party titles aren't taking as long as they used to.
Post by: Famicom on February 10, 2005, 04:26:02 AM
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I still believe everyone is asking for way too much from Nintendo. I agree with some of your points that Nintendo has alot of things to fix but your asking them to be perfect in a sense. Sony and MS have all these games becuase they have to, they don't have any true long lasting franchises that their consumers are expecting from them or have come to know them by. Nintendo has their franchise games to develope, consumers expect these games from them so they have to put time and money aside for them. It seems to me that you want Nintendo to fill in every possible gap yet still also provide their unique games.
Just because we get less doesn't mean we should accept it.
Taking a look at the big picture here, afaik no competitor in the console side of gaming has quite had the problem of third party support or lack of variety in titles quite like Nintendo has in the last 2 gens. Even the "losers" of past gens didn't fail because of support, or it didn't APPEAR that they did because their first or second parties filled up the gaps themselves when exclusives couldn't be had. I chalk it up to Nintendo not finding a real replacement for Rare, who were the ones that usually filled in the odds and ends of their needs.
Post by: Ian Sane on February 10, 2005, 06:33:36 AM
I think the reason many of us are asking for near perfection is because perfection is almost required for the Revolution to be successful. Nintendo just takes too damn long to fix mistakes and no one is willing to wait for them anymore. Plus their image is so tainted now that any sort of flaw is going to be blown out of proportion. They don't just have the childish image anymore. They also have an image of being unoriginal, out-of-touch, anti-technology, and just plain incompetent. Everyone but the very hardcore is ignoring the Revolution already. Only near perfection can regain people's attention and even that might not be good enough. Otherwise if too many problems are still present people will assume they've made no change and thus are releasing N64 3.
What I'm looking for is what the Gamecube should have been and that's Nintendo's Dreamcast. Now I know the Dreamcast failed so you might not see it as a good model to base a new console on. But the Dreamcast did something Nintendo hasn't been able to do since the SNES: completely satisfy the userbase. I've never met anyone who owned a Dreamcast who didn't love it and regrets buying one. In terms of what the system could do and what games were available Sega did nearly everything perfect. I think if Sega wasn't so screwed already it could have survived.
If Sega could do it so can Nintendo and unlike Sega Nintendo is still profitable enough that they could survive. Even if it didn't become the number one console the important thing would be that it would satisfy the userbase. I think we really just want Nintendo to give it their all. Even if they can't be number one in today's market trying to be is enough to ensure that we're satisfied. I should feel that everyone else is missing out by not owning a Revolution instead of the current feeling I have where I'm missing out by only owning a Gamecube.
Just make the best damn console you can, Nintendo.
Post by: Bill Aurion on February 10, 2005, 08:58:22 AM
Whoa, hold up...I loved my Dreamcast too, but the lineup overall sucked in my opinion...The Gamecube has had a lot more enjoyable games overall...
But I do agree that the Revolution has to be perfect in order to impress, but guess what? Nothing in the world is ever perfect, and that's the way our world works...Perfection will never be, just as Nintendo will never be considered "cool" or "the best"...
Post by: SgtShiversBen on February 10, 2005, 09:38:13 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on February 10, 2005, 09:38:17 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on February 10, 2005, 10:26:11 AM
Yeah probably. What's your point? At least we would be happy with it. Are you saying that since Nintendo likely isn't going to win anyway they shouldn't even try? If it makes no difference they might as well at least strive for perfection and keep their fanbase happy. Near perfection at least has a better chance of working than half-assing it. I would rather Nintendo release the best console ever and die despite its quality then to half-ass it and die with a mediocre bare minimum effort console as their last hurrah.
Post by: Bill Aurion on February 10, 2005, 10:35:21 AM
Post by: ThePerm on February 10, 2005, 06:21:05 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on February 11, 2005, 01:04:13 AM
Perm: Engines are highly specialized, the chances that any other game would work with the RE4 engine are really low.
Post by: ThePerm on February 11, 2005, 07:49:24 AM
Post by: Spak-Spang on February 11, 2005, 10:14:51 AM
If Nintendo launched a new system as powerful or more powerful than the X-Box, and presented the public with a launch game that is not only must have, but presents Nintendo with a more mature image (even if next to it is a Mario game) then the media will immediately start heralding the second coming of Nintendo. Despite the appearance of complete Biased this generation was odd from a media point of view.
Microsoft and the Xbox was the 3rd console...and a new company entering the equation...and to see it be someone as big as Microsoft obviously that will gain attention. When Xbox started to succeed you have an immediate story which would create positive press throughout this generation.
What for next generation and you will see much more sensible media to all 3 systems, specially if they launch all about the same time.
Post by: ThePerm on February 11, 2005, 02:25:41 PM
Post by: xts3 on February 12, 2005, 10:23:28 PM
Many high rated games come on DVD9's now for the PS2, easily more then 10 games use DVD9's, many would simply be not possible on the cube and no developer would want to split the discs so that theres 5 discs for a game that was developed on DVD9 the porting costs and rewrite of these games alone would not be worth it. Xenosaga series, Champions of Norrath and Return ot arms are all on DVD9.
Post by: KDR_11k on February 13, 2005, 07:53:45 AM
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Post by: ThePerm on March 12, 2005, 10:42:42 PM
backwards compatability confirmed
pokemon xd? If its online....that is another check
revolution has built in wirelss...even better than having a broadband adapter......now you gotta sell some sort of hub that connects to a cellphone network.......or whatever it takes to connect things up easily
Post by: Don'tHate742 on March 13, 2005, 05:32:52 AM
I don't know exactly what I want from the Revolution but I know what I want to hear come this year's E3....
Headline 1:
The Revolution is Revolutionary!
-Do things never thought possible, best of all it's easier than clicking here...then again, maybe not
Headline 2:
DS set to launch with 10 exclusive online titles
-Nintendo alone will be shipping 10 online-enabled games this year and the next
Headline 3:
Pokemon XD, Zelda, Fire Emblem, and Geist impressions
-4 AAA titles, two of which are cel-shaded, two of which are not....could this be the Year of Cube?
hahaha.........maybe not, but it would be nice
Post by: Savior on March 13, 2005, 04:25:30 PM
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Post by: PaLaDiN on March 13, 2005, 04:46:44 PM
SSBM?
Post by: Savior on March 13, 2005, 05:57:44 PM
Great. Awesome love it. Hope the Revolution launches with the next Smash
but i dont consider it a fighting game, and its not 3D ( I dont want Smash 3D btw. even though i think 4 player 3D party fighters are fun)
To me Smash is more a Party Game.... Its certainly open to argument ( I know alot of you will disagree)
Anyways. Im talking about a Tekken-like game. But something exclusive to the console. Kinda like what ive always harked about Urban Champion 3D
Post by: darknight06 on March 13, 2005, 07:13:31 PM
Post by: Don'tHate742 on March 13, 2005, 07:41:14 PM
Post by: nemo_83 on March 13, 2005, 08:29:27 PM
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gamers want megaman in the next system.
Genius! Cel shaded Megaman similar to a cross between Viewtiful Joe and Wind Waker.
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Post by: KDR_11k on March 18, 2005, 08:34:51 PM
Post by: couchmonkey on March 21, 2005, 05:46:46 AM
That's one of the things that makes me really excited about Revolution - it isn't just a graphical upgrade. So the thing I want most from Nintendo next generation is a machine and games that live up to the name Revolution. If Nintendo does that (and offers a decent selection of games) I will be happy. But I do have a few piddly pet-preferences too.
If the system uses two types of controllers - the new, "revolutionary" controllers and GameCube controllers, I hope Nintendo will introduce a revamped version of the GameCube style controller with a more traditional button layout and a bigger d-pad. Also, use inverse-shaped face buttons like the Super NES, I just can't understand why nobody sees what a great idea that was. I'm assuming that if the system has just one type of controller, I hope Nintendo will design it with the flexibility to play GameCube games and other traditional games in mind.
I also hope Nintendo will try it's hardest to get lots of third party support. I think that's one of the most important things to have on a console.
Finally, I kind of hope it will have a harddrive and possilby HD-DVD playback but those aren't too important to me. Oh yeah, and I'd prefer if Nintendo stopped pimping Mario for cameos and spin-offs so much, but I can live with that too.
Basically, I have quite a bit of faith in Nintendo and after the announcements at GDC and recent interviews with Reggie, I'm starting to get really excited about Revolution. I can't wait to find out what makes it so different from the other systems.
Post by: heinous_anus on March 21, 2005, 06:19:28 PM
Someone said that the SNES and Genesis days weren't as ferocious as they are now? Give me a break. Does no one remember the "SEGA does...what Ninten DON'T!" commercials? I think I remember SNES commercials being pretty "competitive" as well. I think if you asked Nintendo executives 15 years ago "would you like for Sega to simply disappear?" you'd hear some resounding "yes"s. And Ian is spot-on with that observation about "matching" games. Nintendo gave up on that a long, long time ago.
Someone else mentioned that "problems don't get fixed overnight." Your definition of overnight must be much different than mine - they've had almost a decade to fix the problems that occured in the late 90s with the N64. You know what N should do? Go out and buy Square. If that's not feasible, go and capture as much of the development team for Chrono Trigger that you possibly can. Put out a spectacular first-party RPG at launch.
And right now, Sony does have "franchises"...or they're trying to start some; occasionally they just get drowned in the SEA of games available for the system - i'd consider Dark Cloud, Jak and Daxter, Gran Turismo, and Final Fantasy "franchise" games for the PS2.
If Nintendo reiterates the attitude and practices it had during the 8/16-bit days, the Revolution will be the best console ever, regardless of sales numbers and financial figures.
Post by: Dukobe8 on March 28, 2005, 12:24:51 AM
Post by: zakkiel on March 28, 2005, 10:25:46 AM
The single issue Nintendo most needs to address is lineup. When I talk to people about the gamecube, I don't hear "it's a purple cube," I hear "there are no games on it that I want to play." This goes for people who enjoy immature-looking games as much as for hardened CS fanatics. Nintendo does have obvious PR problems - not helped by the ridiculously fatuous gaming press corps that buys other companies' hype every single damn time - but mostly it's about the games, stupid. Online is great, and I'm excited. New features are cool, and I hope they'll wow us all. Sleek design is overrated (see PS2), but definitely a good bonus. Nonetheless, a weak early lineup is really what killed the Cube, and it's killing the DS. It pains me every time I walk in a store and see three walls devoted to Xbox and PS2, and a couple of shelves for the GC. Genuine variety and quantity count. Hopefully, Nintendo will show us that their talk about it all coming down to the software wasn't just hot air.
Backwards compatability is part of that, incidentally, which is why I'm glad it's aleady been confirmed.
Post by: KDR_11k on March 28, 2005, 08:50:27 PM
Post by: Don'tHate742 on March 28, 2005, 11:22:31 PM
The fact that it defined the genre, doesn't mean that all games are based entirely on it.
It's like saying Zelda is the basest for all adventure games.
Post by: Talon on March 29, 2005, 02:11:19 AM
I want more time to be able to play video games but alas as the years roll by I find myself with more and more commitments and I just dont have time to sit down and finish the epics that I so used to enjoy. Ive been debating whether or not to get a ds and/or resident evil 4 but I really cant be too distracted from what Im currently doing so I constantly keep putting it off telling myself just wait for the holidays.
Do you think developers will eventually have to address this issue? I hope not, I cant think of anything worse than finishing a really great game you wish would just go on forever.
Post by: ThePerm on June 24, 2005, 07:05:57 AM
Post by: Spak-Spang on June 24, 2005, 07:35:47 AM
"Remember when Nintendo rocked? And did everything right?"
"How about that classic Nintendo feel to games, those old games were special."
Well, I remember those games and that feeling...and I have to tell you Nintendo is still doing things that special Nintendo way...the problem is some of us have grown up and grown away from desiring traditional Nintendo values. We have grown into the excitement of more mature, adult games...and darker visions and story focused games.
Nintendo has always been about games. The stories they create are there to create a world for the game, not the game is there for the story like many other games.
Nintendo is bringing old classic arcade game feel back with games like:
Wario Ware
Yoshi's Touch and Go
Mario DS's Mini Games
Mario Party Series
They are the only system really promoting fun pickup and play repetitive arcade games. These are always fun, always addictive, but have been lost to big budget, epic story games.
Nintendo is keeping 2D gaming alive without sacrificing exploring the further depths of 3D gaming.
Nintendo continues to take risks innovating new ways of playing games with Nintendogs and ElectroPlankton and the DS in general.
If anything Nintendo has gotten bolder and more innovative now then back in the NES and SNES days. Nintendo is allowing other developers to try their hands at key franchises. Nintendo is exploring online gaming, spreading into new markets of gaming, and such.
Even now Nintendo is even gearing up to make animated movies, branching into a whole new market.
I love Nintendo more now than I did when I was a kid, because Nintendo is the ONLY company that is innovating, yet still keeping its promises to my childhood. I know I can continue to share Nintendo games with my children when I have them. I know that I can trust Nintendo and share video games as a family experience.
Sony and Microsoft I can't trust. Every year, more and more games just become trash. The same basic gameplay with more violence, sex, adult story for really no reason. They don't improve the game experience, and usually the game experience sucks anyway.
So what I want is Nintendo to continue to create a system I can share with my family. To continue to make games that appeal to all audiences and bring new fun experiences for me. I want Nintendo to continue to innovate in fresh new ways.
Post by: nickmitch on June 24, 2005, 10:51:25 AM
1. Classic old shool gaming
2. New games that give you that same feel
3. Innovative new twists on old games
4. NEW innovative games
5. A nice slice of key-lime pie
mmmmmmmmmmmm. . .
Post by: Ian Sane on June 24, 2005, 11:02:33 AM
Gamers want a console maker that knows what the hell they're doing.
Nintendo on the Cube was like a senile old man. They just kept f*cking up really simple stuff and misinterpreting what the fans wanted. I can deal with poor third party support provided that Nintendo is at least being competent. If there are any problems I want it to be due to factors beyond Nintendo's control. Last gen I felt that most of problems were Nintendo's fault since they were so STUNNED all of the time.
Sony's the market leader because Sega and Nintendo screwed up and they didn't. They aren't exceptional, they're just competent. The Xbox in the end didn't do that much better than the Cube but the Xbox has a stronger brand image because Microsoft proved to be pretty on the ball and when they made a mistake they learned from it. Nintendo makes dumb mistakes that anyone could avoid a mile away and never learns from them. That's why they have a negative image and that's why their own fans are constantly b!tching them out.
I just want Nintendo to stop doing stupid sh!t. When something goes wrong I want to be as surprised as Nintendo, instead of calling it six months before it happens.
Be competent. That's all I ask.
Post by: Plugabugz on June 24, 2005, 11:29:36 AM
Post by: Spak-Spang on June 24, 2005, 11:48:09 AM
However, I understand that is just my personal taste. Like I mentioned in the above post I think many peoples tastes in games have slightly changed, and they love Nintendo, but at the same time wish they would change with them. However, if Nintendo changes too drastically they cease to be Nintendo.
I don't Nintendo Nintendo to create a Halo killer or Grand Theft Auto killer for Revolution. In fact, if they did I would be screaming bloody murder because that isn't Nintendo.
Post by: nickmitch on June 24, 2005, 08:20:14 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on June 24, 2005, 08:26:27 PM
Post by: Invincible Donkey Kong on June 25, 2005, 05:39:12 AM
Reggie: "So absolutely, for Revolution you will see all of our franchises, plus, we've gone on record to say that we are aggressively working on a number of new franchises. And that is something that has been a criticism of the past, you know, "Folks, are you milking Mario and doing too many Mario-type games?" We are hard at work at new franchises and we believe that's going to be critical to the launch of Revolution."
Post by: KDR_11k on June 25, 2005, 07:41:17 AM
Post by: ThePerm on June 25, 2005, 10:04:56 AM
as far as creating a halo killer or a gta killer....they should at least create some awesome fps experience that goes online and kicks all sorts of ass....as far as gta..Nintendo shouldnt be the only system that doesn't have it...itrs a multi platform game...yet for some reason its not on a nintendo system? Or perhaps maybe Nintendo should convince dma to make an updated Body Harvest
Post by: nemo_83 on June 25, 2005, 12:55:44 PM
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I don't Nintendo Nintendo to create a Halo killer or Grand Theft Auto killer for Revolution. In fact, if they did I would be screaming bloody murder because that isn't Nintendo.
They should create a GTA/Halo killer. It should be one game. Combat based like Halo, but totaly interactive nonlinear sandbox level design like GTA. They should keep all the weapons and vehicles real world too so that any special items are explained in the story. I don't have a problem with alien and scifi stuff, but when Perfect Dark came out on the 64 I couldn't get my friends to play it because of the spaced out themes and they loved Goldeneye more than I did.
Post by: KDR_11k on June 25, 2005, 09:01:45 PM
Far Cry?
There's a limit to how much freedom you can add if you want it combat centric. Sure you could make a large map full of enemies and give the player a big gun but exactly how many options does that give him? Personally I'd prefer a game where you can advance without combat if you choose so. You can't open up a shop or build a factory in GTA. Compare that to, say, X2.
You sound a lot like someone who tries to clone a game without understanding why fans love the game so much. That will end in a mediocre clone at best.
Post by: Ian Sane on June 25, 2005, 09:28:04 PM
That would be ideal. GTA gets a lot of flack for being a crime simulator. But a similar game that allows people to lead legitimate lives would be more of a life simulator. That way Nintendo can have a game that still has the open-ended gameplay but doesn't comprimise Nintendo's idealogy for shock value.
Post by: Pittbboi on June 26, 2005, 06:58:10 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on June 26, 2005, 08:57:16 AM
Post by: nickmitch on June 26, 2005, 10:29:47 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on June 27, 2005, 03:15:30 AM
Post by: Stimutacs Addict on June 27, 2005, 06:18:07 AM
the cool part is that you could live a straight edge life as a reporter/photographer, buy a motorcycle and join a paparazzi motorcade, sneak up on celebrities' homes(ala splinter cell) for the perfect sunbathing shot. Or you could get involved with organized crime and milk your money off of footage of their heists (which you could no-doubt take part in).
and if you think photography is fagnacious, you can quit your job at any time... but then you're unemployed and will need to make some money, so you might want to approach a mob boss and see what he needs. Hitmen can make a good living in the big city, but you need to plan your attacks properly. You can't always walk up and stab somebody (especially in his own home; too much blood on the carpet). sometimes you need to run a little recon to see if you can sneak into his home and just snap his neck, or maybe hide in his garage until he comes home from work and kill him before he gets in the house, then use his car to drive to the city park and hide his body in the woods. Or maybe a local pig farmer would be willing to help you out.
there are countless options and directions. you can be a hitman, cab driver, cop, delivery truck driver (careful not to get robbed), or just your average joe-criminal. Naturally, the better you become at your trade, the nicer apartment you can afford and the more political power you have. The goal is to control the city, whether by campaigning for mayor or just having enough money to pay the right people to look the other way.
finally, there would be a pretty expansive forest area for a paintball/outdoor lasertag course, which would provide for everyone's FPS mini-game fix, which would of course be online compatable. hell, the initial vision was to have the whole game online, but i think thats a little more than a stretch.
so, that was our game we designed shortly after spending all night playing a bootleg copy of GTA 2 on our cpu. maybe too much violence for a nintendo game, but i'll be damned if that wouldn't be better than any GTA out there now (although looking at it now, it seeems like the only difference between our own game and rockstar's is that we're not all about mindless murder; its more career-focused. you see greater results by planning out everything before hand and getting the perfect shot for the front page story. oh and one last detail kinda ripped from pokemon: everyone has a rival , an eddie brock who thinks you're up to something and wants to find out how you just happen to be at every major newstory right when it happens. If you're not careful, he might catch you as you're changing back into your civilian clothes after a big heist, or he could even stalk your movements if you aren't mindful of your surroundings. taking back alleyways and complex routes could get him off your back, but a pivotal point in the game is when he snaps a super-incriminating shot of you and you have to decide whether to play into his wishes or call up a friend to have your rival erm... disposed of. (be a man, do it yourself; just don't leave much evidence of foul play)
sorry this is way OT but you wanted a GTA killer
Post by: KDR_11k on June 27, 2005, 09:23:49 AM
*= Maybe I'm thinking of that because I'm reading Hunter S. Thompson's "The Rum Diary" which is about a reporter in Puerto Rico.
Post by: xts3 on July 06, 2005, 11:55:31 PM
THIRD PARTY SUPPORT
After getting amazing new franchises on the PS2 (Chapmions of Norrath, God of war, and countless others) and the mainstay franchises of yesteryear (Castle vania, megaman, tekken, etc) and great new ones (NFS UG2, Burnout 3, GTA, GTA VC, GTA SA, etc) Nintendo has a lot of catching up to do if they ever hope to get back on top, if they pull another N64 or a "Sega", way back in the day when Sega released their Sega-CD it bombed hugely sold poorly and had no 3rd party support hardly at all, and thats definitely partly why Sega eventually got killed by their own failure with Saturn and Dreamcast because of their inability to support their hardware and get game devleopers making games for them. They didn't understand games sell systems back then, and they still didn't with Saturn and dreamcast, they tried to first party it to the bank and they got screwed.
Post by: Draygaia on July 07, 2005, 07:46:05 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on July 07, 2005, 08:33:38 AM
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Post by: ThePerm on December 20, 2005, 07:41:41 PM
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Post by: denjet78 on December 20, 2005, 11:44:41 PM
Nintendo sells GAMES. Sony and MS sell IMAGE. You wan't to rag on Nintendo for not selling image, then why aren't you complaining that Sony and MS aren't selling games? You want Nintendo to do what Nintendo does as well as what Sony and MS do. ARE YOU PEOPLE CRAZY??? Sony and MS can only do what they do. They could NEVER do what Nintendo does. If you don't believe that then look at their in-house developed software. 90% crap and the other 10% comes from developers that they bought AFTER they were interested in a franchise they developed. If Sony and MS can't do it all, and they're about a billion times bigger, more powerful and more influential than Nintendo, they why in GODS NAME would you EVER think that Nintendo could do it?
Sure Nintendo could spend a generation throwing money hats at developers, getting into bidding wars over key franchises. They could match the competition spec for spec hardware wise, and take the same finantial losses. But if they don't make the same games as everyone else makes, they're still going to be the odd man out. Everyone keeps saying that all Nintendo has to do is show that they're interested, make a few games themselves or even buy them. People, it's too late for a few games. At this point in the game Nintendo would have to completely convert to Sony and MS' terms and then, they wouldn't be Nintendo anymore. They'd have more market share sure, and be bleeding money worse than the XBox, but they'd be in the game wouldn't they?
For one generation at least... maybe.
Post by: Magik on December 21, 2005, 02:49:38 AM
Whoever decided to use purple as the main console colour needs a smack in the head. No, this has nothing to be with be homophobic or whatever, it's just that purple is an ugly colour to use on a console or any device. And the design of the system itself.. omg. The damn console looks like a fisher price toy.
I do hope that in the first year of release for the REV, that it has games that covers all the genres, especially those that the GC were missing. IE RPGs, FPS, GTA-style.
Post by: JonLeung on December 21, 2005, 03:45:49 AM
I'm not saying you're wrong, but when your only points are aesthetic, then that's very shallow. Either that or people in general are if they truly couldn't overlook that. Didn't anyone know that Jet Black was also available at launch?
If you want to mention other things, like dropping the ball on online and third-party support, then you may have a point. Though third-party support was far from the abysmal amount the N64 got, especially in its later days. And profit-wise, Nintendo's still on top.
Post by: Magik on December 21, 2005, 08:15:53 AM
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I don't see how they screwed up so much, at least if I was only looking at your statements, with which you only stated its shape and colour. It's like, if you can't come up with good reasons, you have to pick on the silliest things. I'm sure the handle is next on that list.
I'm not saying you're wrong, but when your only points are aesthetic, then that's very shallow. Either that or people in general are if they truly couldn't overlook that. Didn't anyone know that Jet Black was also available at launch?
If you want to mention other things, like dropping the ball on online and third-party support, then you may have a point. Though third-party support was far from the abysmal amount the N64 got, especially in its later days. And profit-wise, Nintendo's still on top.
I only listed the aesthetic because it was the first thing that came to mind and I had somewhere to go. If you want me to, I'll be glad to list a few.
Let's see, the launch line-up weak. Putting Luigi's Mansion as THE GC title was mistake when it should have been Star Wars Rogue Squadron. Luigi is no Mario, and Luigi's Mansion itself was way to short. When you compare it to the launches of the past, it's nothing close and when compared to the Xbox's launch line-up, even worse.
Having no Mario or even a top Nintendo franchise was pretty rough.
How bout the droughts between major releases? Those droughts hurt, having to wait month after month for a top title to be released was very troubling. What was worse, right after launch, there wasn't any big titles for quite some time. How can a console go against the PS2 and Xbox if there aren't consistent releases to keep people interested? People got bored moved onto other consoles.
What about that connectivity BS with the GBA? Crystal Chronicles could have been a must have game if it weren't for that stupid connectivity garbage where 4 GBA's were needed. To this day, I have no clue as to why Nintendo was pushing such a foolish idea.
The first memory cards were absolutely trash. 8 megabits compared to 8 megabytes for the PS2 and the 8/10 GB HDD for the Xbox. Sports games suffered because of the lack of space, some games required the saves to be stripped down just to fit the memory card. I can sort of see how Nintendo got such a decent profit, considering how people had to buy more than one memory card.
Yeah, 3rd party support wasn't abysmal compared to the N64, but it's still abysmal when you compare it to the competitors.
Post by: JonLeung on December 21, 2005, 08:56:04 AM
FF:CC is a bit of an oddity, though, I'll give you that. I don't know if the idea was foolish, but maybe the way it was presented and perceived was. As Penny Arcade pointed out, with the GBA selling much more than four times more than the GameCube, you'd be more likely to find someone with a GBA than a GameCube. It shouldn't've been "who has some GBAs so we can play FF:CC?" but more like "who has a GameCube so we can play FF:CC?" It's still an extra hardware requirement for any of those who only have one or the other, true. How do you market a console game to those who like handhelds? How do you market a console game that requires a handheld? I personally play console and handheld games (and also PC games), but I guess I'm an oddity - those are apparently different markets and a game like FF:CC apparently wasn't enough to bridge that segregation and get different kinds of gamers to try it out. I think bearing the Final Fantasy name there were some expectations (even though FF has had its fair share of spin-offs before that). I still don't think it's foolish on its own - nothing is foolish if it sells. And it just didn't hit it off.
At least with DS-Revolution connectivity, you won't need a cable, and that would remove one physical barrier to connectivity. Assuming Nintendo will try to keep going with it. If it actually works in a game, or more like, if enough people are even willing to try it out, it is indeed something Nintendo has that the competition doesn't. I haven't heard of PSP-PS3 connectivity.
Enough about that, though. I'm sure Nintendo would try really hard in many other ways to distinguish themselves from the competition, and I'm sure Sony/Microsoft fanboys are simply going to say they tried too hard. I'm sure the majority just don't get it, seeing as how most people that have actually used the device liked it. Or maybe they're waiting to see it in play in actual game situations. That's one thing that simply has to be waited for.
To answer the question about what gamers want in the next Nintendo system? I'm guessing Nintendo gamers want more of the same of the good stuff (their favourite franchises continuing while avoiding staleness) and I think all gamers in general would want Nintendo to deliver on their promise of new gameplay experiences.
Post by: Stimutacs Addict on December 21, 2005, 09:04:50 AM
Post by: Magik on December 21, 2005, 11:04:39 AM
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Originally posted by: JonLeung
Not to get picky, I think you meant Rogue Leader, not Rogue Squadron...I guess I was the only Nintendo fan with the foresight to not buy Luigi's Mansion and buy Rogue Leader instead.
FF:CC is a bit of an oddity, though, I'll give you that. I don't know if the idea was foolish, but maybe the way it was presented and perceived was. As Penny Arcade pointed out, with the GBA selling much more than four times more than the GameCube, you'd be more likely to find someone with a GBA than a GameCube. It shouldn't've been "who has some GBAs so we can play FF:CC?" but more like "who has a GameCube so we can play FF:CC?" It's still an extra hardware requirement for any of those who only have one or the other, true. How do you market a console game to those who like handhelds? How do you market a console game that requires a handheld? I personally play console and handheld games (and also PC games), but I guess I'm an oddity - those are apparently different markets and a game like FF:CC apparently wasn't enough to bridge that segregation and get different kinds of gamers to try it out. I think bearing the Final Fantasy name there were some expectations (even though FF has had its fair share of spin-offs before that). I still don't think it's foolish on its own - nothing is foolish if it sells. And it just didn't hit it off.
At least with DS-Revolution connectivity, you won't need a cable, and that would remove one physical barrier to connectivity. Assuming Nintendo will try to keep going with it. If it actually works in a game, or more like, if enough people are even willing to try it out, it is indeed something Nintendo has that the competition doesn't. I haven't heard of PSP-PS3 connectivity.
Enough about that, though. I'm sure Nintendo would try really hard in many other ways to distinguish themselves from the competition, and I'm sure Sony/Microsoft fanboys are simply going to say they tried too hard. I'm sure the majority just don't get it, seeing as how most people that have actually used the device liked it. Or maybe they're waiting to see it in play in actual game situations. That's one thing that simply has to be waited for.
To answer the question about what gamers want in the next Nintendo system? I'm guessing Nintendo gamers want more of the same of the good stuff (their favourite franchises continuing while avoiding staleness) and I think all gamers in general would want Nintendo to deliver on their promise of new gameplay experiences.
My bad, I knew it was a Star Wars game but not the exact title. Squadron kept popping up in my head.
The connectivity was one generation too early. It was a good idea, but it wasn't practical. It's one thing to get one person with a GBA AND Cables, but getting 4 people... geez.
Nintendo, to me, already distinguishes themselves by their 1st party games. The problem I see is they make A LOT of dumb-common-sense decisions and seem to be always playing 'catch up' with everyone else.
The release of Metroid Prime 2 comes to mind as one of the dumbest decisions this generation. To release AFTER Halo 2 was plain DUMB, and probably hurt sales. Halo 2 overshadowed EVERY game imaginable at that time.
I just wished they would stop making these type of decisions. It just annoys the hell out of me.
Post by: couchmonkey on December 22, 2005, 05:32:20 AM
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The release of Metroid Prime 2 comes to mind as one of the dumbest decisions this generation. To release AFTER Halo 2 was plain DUMB, and probably hurt sales. Halo 2 overshadowed EVERY game imaginable at that time.
Except GTA: San Andreas. Sorry, I couldn't help myself.
Post by: ThePerm on March 13, 2006, 07:12:20 AM
Post by: The Omen on March 14, 2006, 12:46:48 PM
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Nintendo sells GAMES. Sony and MS sell IMAGE. You wan't to rag on Nintendo for not selling image, then why aren't you complaining that Sony and MS aren't selling games?
Amazingly enough, selling image enables a company to sell more games through said image. Overall, Sony and MS have sold plenty of games because each contains a bigger user base. I fail to see why it's so hard for people to grasp the idea of selling the sizzle first, then supplying the steak. Nintendo seems to think they can say "hey! Look at our steak! It's juicier than the others! I promise!" Obviously, the sizzle, ie marketing, brings in more potential game buyers than supplying a great product will, alone. It's been this way since the beginning of time.
Post by: nemo_83 on March 15, 2006, 06:03:33 PM
Standard widescreen support in games.
A packed in hard drive that can be replaced. I want universal friends list options.
A packed in shell/frame/cradle that connects the nunchuck and remote and adds secondary facial mechanics allowing third party ports while retaining remote functionality.
I want one Super Mario Brothers game, I want it at launch, I want cooperative modes, and I want it to be similar to the New SMB on DS.
I want an ethernet port.
I want the power of the system to be focused on lighting rather than surface effects.
I want game editing tools for downloaded games.
I want some downloadable games to eventually have patches for the new remote and online multiplayer.
I want to see some original (big and dark) franchises.
And how long do I have to wait for a Star Wars game?
Post by: ThePerm on March 25, 2006, 12:32:59 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on March 25, 2006, 09:07:12 PM
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Things I personally want:
Standard widescreen support in games.
A packed in hard drive that can be replaced. I want universal friends list options.
A packed in shell/frame/cradle that connects the nunchuck and remote and adds secondary facial mechanics allowing third party ports while retaining remote functionality.
I want one Super Mario Brothers game, I want it at launch, I want cooperative modes, and I want it to be similar to the New SMB on DS.
I want an ethernet port.
I want the power of the system to be focused on lighting rather than surface effects.
I want game editing tools for downloaded games.
I want some downloadable games to eventually have patches for the new remote and online multiplayer.
I want to see some original (big and dark) franchises.
And how long do I have to wait for a Star Wars game?
I want world domination and an android maid. Nintendo better deliver!
Post by: Kairon on March 25, 2006, 09:18:56 PM
All I want from them is someone who can take over when Miyamoto retires.
...The sad thing is that I'm probably making a request more impossible than any of you.
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: Plugabugz on March 25, 2006, 10:40:07 PM
Less incredibly stupid mistakes. Like, advertising wifi connection on TV and with a link to the UK website which was still marked as "coming soon" at the time, then to revamp the page and put a pre-register sort of link on there only to not email anyone when the site goes live.
Games released faster. Animal Crossing Wild World gets here next week. A japanese-developed game should immediately start making european translations.
No pathetic 3 (even 8) month wait for a console because we done generate as much profit. Try harder. Their non-games strategy wouldn't be necessary if they concentrated a little harder on pleasing the people they forget about first. Between october and now nothing of value has come out for the DS.
Release games appropriately; where's the point in releasing F-Zero GX 7 days before Mario Kart?
Like Ian said a few pages back, "cancel-out games". We need an equal to Pro Evolution Soccer - in addition to Smash Football. I know someone who solely plays that game, but the cube downstairs is covered in dust and will only get used when zelda arrives.
There's a glimmer of hope so far; their wifi contracts now expanding into download stations is a real good idea to grab people's attention, and i hope it translates over to the new console. A lot of the things im saying are european-centric so excuse me for not concentrating solely on the rev's power to boil eggs on the nunchuck. The new console itself doesn't worry me, i'm concerned over how we're going to get lost in the fray again.
Post by: Caliban on March 26, 2006, 10:28:07 AM
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All I could ever want out of Nintendo, more than I'm seeing from them now, more than what I believe is already there due to Miyamoto and Iwata and what I believe to be there because of my general goodwill from them...
All I want from them is someone who can take over when Miyamoto retires.
...The sad thing is that I'm probably making a request more impossible than any of you.
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Wow, I never thought of that. Who will substitute Miyamoto? Fortunately he might be there for quite some time that we will actually see someone step up to the plate just for Nintendo, 'cause obviously there are right now game creators that are at the same level of Miyamoto but they ain't with the big N.
Post by: Strell on March 26, 2006, 11:55:35 AM
1) Allow games to be downloaded into the Revmote (such as NES/SNES/etc) via removable storage/internal hard drive, then packing in A/V cords to let games be transsferred around to other TVs. If it could connect to the DS for this, that would rock.
2) Allowing games to be downloaded into a DS via an SD Card adapter, hencing allowing the above, but for portable gaming.
3) That the Virtual Console be fleshed out to include all sorts of systems AND Nintendo finds a way to sell physical copies of old/rare games. Radiant Silvergun and Snatcher come to mind.
4) A nice glowing blue base to charge the Revmote in.
5) More expansion ports other than just the USB ports. For some reason I'm so used to them that I'd be astounded if they didn't appear on the Rev.
6) That they keep the name "Revolution."
7) That you can use the shell to play Gamecube games, thereby not forcing people to buy Gamecube controllers if they want to utilize GC virtual console gaming.
8) A fairly robust CD/DVD playing system.
9) That games aren't expensive to download OR buy in stores.
10) Connectivity with the DS/GBA2, and interfacing with the USB adapter.
11) Removable storage via SD cards.
I might think of more later.
Post by: wandering on March 26, 2006, 08:50:00 PM
Anyway, what I want:
An attachment that allows me to plug in old Nintendo cartridges and play them on the Revolution.
The system to accept and play DreamCast games in addition to GameCube/Revolution games.
Downloadable old Game Boy games on the Virtual console
Universal friends codes w/ ability to invite friends even when they're not playing the same game as you. Also, lots of in-game voice-chat.
Good games.
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4) A nice glowing blue base to charge the Revmote in.
I'm sure a third party will offer one....
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Wow, I never thought of that. Who will substitute Miyamoto? Fortunately he might be there for quite some time that we will actually see someone step up to the plate just for Nintendo, 'cause obviously there are right now game creators that are at the same level of Miyamoto but they ain't with the big N.
Well, not at the same level. But maybe some that are close.
Anyway, personally, I tend to think that Nintendo will eventually go the way of Disney, as their creative idealistic people die and are replaced by evil. But I hope to be proven wrong.
Post by: ThePerm on September 25, 2006, 11:30:30 PM
Post by: Mario on September 26, 2006, 01:14:52 AM
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Nintendo didn't try hard enough with GC
More like they tried TOO hard. They tried to fit in with the crowd and just came off as a Sony Lite, now with DS and Wii they are just being themselves and nobody can compete with that.
Post by: Infernal Monkey on September 26, 2006, 01:20:25 AM
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And how long do I have to wait for a Star Wars game?
Hopefully forever, like your ban. *e-high five*
Post by: Hocotate on September 26, 2006, 02:30:50 AM
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I think the reason many of us are asking for near perfection is because perfection is almost required for the Revolution to be successful.
No, Nintendo is not perfect, and you cannot expect them to be. I also disagree that Nintendo has to achieve near perfection just to be successful. I feel they are doing a lot fo thing right this time and they'll do fine. Sony has been messing up so badly that it's almost as if they've given up. MS still can't get Japan and their US sales aren't as hot as you'd expect. All the while Wii is getting a steady flow of hype, I think Nintendo is in a very good position.
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Plus their image is so tainted now that any sort of flaw is going to be blown out of proportion. They don't just have the childish image anymore. They also have an image of being unoriginal, out-of-touch, anti-technology, and just plain incompetent.
Their image is tainted right now? From what I've seen the Wii is the most popular console of the three. Unoriginal? I think the DS and Wii are very original. Minus the anti-technology and childish parts, this quote describes Sony perfectly.
Post by: couchmonkey on September 26, 2006, 05:09:26 AM
Post by: IceCold on September 26, 2006, 08:28:08 AM
QuoteAs couch mentioned, you got taken in by Perm's "let me bump a random thread" ploy
I've noticed right around the time the Wii became super popular, there has been a flood of negative comments about Nintendo on this board. While some good points were made, many of you are picking at the smallest of things. It's as if you are grasping at straws trying your best to find something negative to say about Nintendo. Some of the comments I just don't understand; "Nintendo is just playing catch up to their competition?" I think you have that backwards (PS3 controller is a good example).
- This thread was made in March.
Post by: Hocotate on September 26, 2006, 10:23:33 AM
Post by: Arbok on September 26, 2006, 05:45:23 PM
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Originally posted by: Hocotate
All the while Wii is getting a steady flow of hype, I think Nintendo is in a very good position.
That hype is only online though, and as we have seen time and time again that really doesn't amount to jack in terms of overall sales.
The general consensus is still very much "should I get a PS3 or a Xbox 360?" among most people. From what I have been hearing, like on radio shows and other media fractions, the Wii isn't even being considered in most peoples minds yet. To that point, one is really going to have to wait until the advertising campaigns kick in before any real idea can be gathered as to the Wii in the mind of the "common" consumer.
Post by: Ceric on September 26, 2006, 06:57:59 PM
Then I stopped by Gamestop and their was nothing. No indication that any new system was coming this year.
Same company. Go figure.
Post by: Kairon on September 26, 2006, 07:34:47 PM
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Post by: Hocotate on September 27, 2006, 01:33:02 AM
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Originally posted by: Arbok
That hype is only online though, and as we have seen time and time again that really doesn't amount to jack in terms of overall sales.
I disagree with you saying the internet hype doesn't amount to jack, it's a big plus imo. The DS seemed to only be popular online at first too, and we see how well it's doing now. Also, from what I've seen the Wii is getting just as much (if not more) hype then MS and Sony outside of the internet.
Post by: ThePerm on March 31, 2010, 03:42:12 AM
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first of all here is what I want
Higher Capacity disks- I want higher capacity disks because I don't want developers passing on the next system or doing lazy rush ports on the system because it has smaller disks. Nintendo improved this from finally switching from cartridges to optical, but it still had some of the same problems even though the situation was alot better. I HATE looking at artifacted as hell fmvs. There is no reason why Nintendo's system should be held back. Make it proprietary, but all means don't limit developers more on a Nintendo's system than a competitors.
Backwards Compatability- It sounds hypocritial to ask for Higher capacity disks and ask for backward compataility at the same time, but its worked. It worked for ps2, the gameboy line, and now its working for ds. It just works. Find some way to do it. Make the newer higher capacity disks the same physical size...do whatever...just don't slack. There WILL be people who will see that there were a bunch of games that they missed on the cube and will pick up revolution with a few new and a few old.
A built in ethernet port. So the system will have one damn thing that isn't automatically proprietary. Big deal. Having this little port on the system will guarantee that you don't have to spend the money to try to deal with a split market for people who want internet games and those who don't. In fact third party developers will see itas a sign that you are also moving forward just as your competitors are. This has worked well for xbox...and with the next generation im sure whatever happened on the xbox will be a more established thing on the next system
A fucking Pokémon game thats crazy. Thats right back to the online thing. I want to beable to get online. Meet trainers and woop their ass with my Charizard. Build a big freaking world and don't just send the game off to a little developer and expect us to think that just because its pokémon that it will be good.
3rd party support. ****...get Metal Gear. Pay them the **** off. I don't care what you do but if you could get Metal Gear, Splinter Cell or some unexpected franchise exclusive then you'll have some advantage. To an extent it worked for Resident Evil. Have two franchises like this. I'm talking mature ones actually. Nintendo getting these isn't abandoning their audience. Its expanding it. Or more or less ditching some bullshit steriotype. If you had some announcement at e3 that you had Metal Gear AND Splinter Cell exclusive for your next system and showed them off in next gen glory. People would **** their pants.
2nd party trust. In this generation we lost Rare. The fucking beloved Rare. We felt confort in "hey we still got Silicon Knights'.....and THEN WTF. Get some 3rd parties, make em exclusive..buy their full support, invest in their company..buy percentages of the stock...and fricking more importantly of all make them GOOD. Things like geist, and advanced wars bother me. We lost Rare and Sk, and now we get these games that look sort of less than what we always expect out of Nintendo.
Expand your Franchises!!! We love Mario, Zelda, Dk, Metroid, and Pokémon. But damnit weve played 1000 incarnations of those games. Is it time for Bayou Jack, Samurai Billy, Metal Cell, or Splinter Gear. Something new please. I love Nintendo's style, but I also remember a time when I would play somehting made by Nintendo with Nintendo's style and it was something new.
First Party games more often. It shouldnt take 6 years for every Mario game. Really. Nes had 3 marios, super nintendo 2, n64 1, gamecube 1. With Mario 64 you established platforming. Then you tried to do something different by adding a waterpack and thinking it was all innovative..it wasn't it was kazooie on mario's back dressed like a water cannon. Take mario 64, bring back the long jump...and jsut build alot of freaking levels..they would all be based on mario physics. In some ways i think Nintendo is innovative. In other ways i don't think they even try anymore. With games like prince of persia being just as good as a nintendo game...(the detail, the intuitive control, the plotline, the setup...although i think pop:WW kinds sucks). It seems as though Nintendo is doing right with the new Zelda(i don't mean maturing it...i can see some gameplay improvements)
anyways, thats my rant. Feel free to add what you want or just criticize me. This is one of those times when less isn't better.
this is bumped because for the most part its still relevant, and we draw nearer to the next generation.
Topic 1: Disc Size
Nintendo could use a larger format, but I'm not sure how much it will matter. I hope though that they have some sort of little sd-slot looking thing that takes some sort of future cart technology :P
Topic 2:
Backwards compatibility is still a must.
Topic 3
We probably won't get a built in ethernet port, but hopefully internet is a little bit more planned. I'm hoping if friend codes are still in play then they're system only and not one for each individual game, maybe with adding a password it will make children less likely to access mature content. I'd prefer a user name though. Also, hopefully there will be more options as far as networks go. There have got to be ways to not have such bad lag.
Topic 4
I'm still waiting Nintendo
Topic 5
Hopefully the system will be beefy enough for third party support. Hopefully, it will have the fanbase Wii did.
Topic 6
2nd parties are pretty much non-existant now-a-days. I wish they would buy some companies to fill the line-up with some killer app exclusives. Sega. Namco/Bandai?
Topic 7
I'm still Waiting Nintendo
Topic 8
Although, i don't have most of these games, Nintendo has been pretty good about it this generation. Ian is still complaining, but I think we're at appropriate Mario, Zelda, and Metroid release quantity.
Post by: Stratos on March 31, 2010, 04:00:35 AM
We had Disaster from Monolith but their new game Zenoblade looks to be much more promising when it comes to a worldwide release.
We have Zangeki no Reginleiv (hopefully if comes to the states)
We could sort of count Fatal Frame 4 since that was a co-project with Tecmo that soured.
Post by: TJ Spyke on March 31, 2010, 11:49:30 AM
Topic 6
2nd parties are pretty much non-existant now-a-days. I wish they would buy some companies to fill the line-up with some killer app exclusives. Sega. Namco/Bandai?
Yeah, Sega and Namco Bandai will NEVER be second parties to any console developer. why would either want to stop making games for other companies? Second party refers to a company that may be partially owned (if it is more than 50%, then it is a first party developer) that develops exclusively for that console maker. Think Bungie/Microsoft, or Insomniac Games/Sony, or Nintendo/HAL Laboratory).
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 31, 2010, 01:36:15 PM
Post by: ThePerm on March 31, 2010, 05:42:41 PM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 31, 2010, 05:49:10 PM
Post by: Stratos on April 01, 2010, 03:36:26 AM
Post by: ThePerm on April 01, 2010, 03:43:18 AM
Post by: ThePerm on June 08, 2011, 07:31:41 PM
Higher Capacity disks- This wasn't a huge problem with Wii because 360 had the same size disks, and it wont be a problem with Wii-U because the disks are going to be a decent sized proprietary format. I also don't see Microsoft going Blu-Ray next gen or trying to top Nintendo in this regard because there is no need. One day I hope for a return to cartridges though, by the genration after Wii-U solid state cards will be enormous.
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Backwards Compatability- So Wii-U is backward compatable with Wii and not GCN, well 86 million people have Wiis and if they really want to play GCN games, then they should't get rid of their Wiis.
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A fucking Pokémon game thats crazy-I guess im not really as much of a fan of Pokémon as I thought. Or maybe I'm not the type of fan that Nintendo wants to please. I still can envision a Pokémon game thats better then the ones that are out, in fact with each new generation my vision of Pokémon draws from new games that are out, and control methods. The deficit has gone from Tiny to Enormous now. To the point where I've given up hope. I guess I just sort of expect some JRPG with minor tweaks to come out every 2 years instead of some innovative genre bending game.
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3rd party support. Wii started off with lots of 3rd party love, but because the hardware deficiency ended up passing on that. Looks like Wii-U has a couple games
from 3rd parties, and mostly of the violent shooting type that I guess means a system is cool for the average joe. I always prefer games like Cubivore and Minecraft, but that's another story.
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2nd party trust- I would say we're at 60% levels. Gone is SK and Rare, Retro is still awesome, but there needs to be more. 2nd parties are for filling genre gaps when Nintendo's hands are full. They are also meant to appease different regional preferences. Rare used to take care of this. They filled the Fighting and shooting genre and when a new Mario and Mario Kart wasnt out they made A quality clones. Monolith with Wii U sounds amazing even though i'm not an RPG fan.
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Expand your Franchises!!! Wii expanded the franchise list with the Wii Sports brand, honestly as characterization it was lacking, but I still love to pop in Wii Sports even though its a 5 year old game. I love going to a friends house who just bought a Wii and totally fucking up their **** by getting a super high score in bowling that they can't beat. Who said scores didnt matter anymore? Honestly now a days I realize Nintendo doesn't make new game franchises because they just sort of do what they do and haters are gonna hate right? The real reason I want new franchises is because of exclusivity, which i don't care about as much because I'm not so much of a fanboy anymore that I wont just play it on another system. I still wish Nintendo would just buy Sega, this would single handedly take care of that problem.
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First Party games more often.
You know the Wii actually satisfied this demand. In fact I have only two 3rd party games on Wii, both by capcom.
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overall Wii-U is more Satisfying than Not.
Post by: Ian Sane on June 08, 2011, 07:52:37 PM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 08, 2011, 11:48:11 PM
Wii = Nintendo's most successful home console ever.
Unless you are strictly talking about 3rd party core games and over all gamer satisfaction.
Post by: Sarail on June 08, 2011, 11:56:27 PM
It's all about the mindshare. Third parties want power-infused consoles, stable and functional online infrastructures, and controllers with traditional inputs -- something that the Wii U actually has this time around.
Nintendo has the ability to capture BOTH mindshare and marketshare this next go-around. And this has me quite excited.
Post by: leahsdad on June 09, 2011, 12:36:43 AM
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And right now, as much as I hate it, Microsoft has it in this country
You know, I think among gamers, and to be more specific, 15-25 year olds who play games, both male and female, you're probably right. But I don't know if that would change, no matter what Nintendo did. Americans, more than the Japanese, really latch on to subcultures and identities, and as a result latch on to brands that they perceive (or were marketed to make them perceive) as fitting that identity. What Microsoft did, from the launch of the first Xbox, was identify that group, which at the time gravitated mainly towards PC games like Quake and Starcraft, the "hardcore," and cultivated that group over the course of 10 years, marketing and brand-wise, with games like Halo, Fable, Dead or Alive, Ninja Gaiden, etc.. And Nintendo?
Well, Nintendo made Nintendo games. Mario. Zelda. Really cute adorable Pikmin. Smash Bros.
Nintendo expanded that audience, in a really smart way, with the Wii. But I don't see any way that Nintendo is going to get that Xbox crowd back (and it may be up for debate whether they ever had that demographic in the first place). Not unless Nintendo does something radical. And by radical, I mean stupid. Like start making modern day military shooters. Make the next 60 hour open world bleak Fallout game. Oh, and stop making Mario, Zelda, Pikmin, or Metroid games, because most people (unfortunately) see those games as childish and not "edgy" enough.
Does anyone really think the pimply-faced 16 year old calling everyone a homophobic slur on Xbox Live is going to enjoy playing a game like Animal Crossing or Mario Party? Or would gladly own a system that allowed him to play those games? I think not.
Post by: leahsdad on June 09, 2011, 12:43:45 AM
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Backwards Compatability- So Wii-U is backward compatable with Wii and not GCN, well 86 million people have Wiis and if they really want to play GCN games, then they should't get rid of their Wiis.
Maybe I feel this way because I never bought a Gamecube (I was led astray by the PS2, and have always regretted it), BUT I would love it if they offered GCN games on Virtual Console on Wii-U. If they up-rezed it on the fly and they only cost $15 each, I would not only love it, I would marry it and give it all my money, making my wife a broken woman. Oh yes.
Post by: Ian Sane on June 09, 2011, 01:19:36 PM
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Unless you are strictly talking about 3rd party core games and over all gamer satisfaction.
From a quality standpoint. The Wii is the NKOTB of videogame systems. It was a huge financial success but I doubt it will be remembered fondly aside from a handful of titles. It will be the Bizarro Dreamcast.
Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 09, 2011, 01:28:53 PM
Post by: Caterkiller on June 09, 2011, 05:52:18 PM
Every generation Nintendo has done something that just made everyone go "why?!" and this time what is it? One tablet per console? Nah that will not be an issue.
N64 -Karts?
GCN - Color purple, no Online?
Wii - Ultra lame graphics, Friend Codes?
Wii-U has everything and more. The controller and system look slick and oh so futuristic, the graphics are amazing this time around, a real online system with usernames and friend lists will be there, and real deal 3rd party games were shown even before the 1st party. People will take notice and I am so confident this will be a major hit with everyone.
The majority of my gaming friends have a wii, all of them actually, but they are all PS360 folks at heart. But they all tried brawl for online for a bit cause they love smash bros. They all played Mario Kart for a bit and though it had better online features than brawl the hassle of friend codes just kept them from enjoying fully. Now imagine these games with the robust online features that we will undoubtedly get? No matter who you are Nintendo's 1st party titles are legendary and turn heads. Throw in possibly the best versions of 3rd party games that will hit the market until 720 and PS4 and so what in the world is there not to like?
Wii did start of with 3rd party support, but the lame spin offs, right from the beginning. So don't throw that argument at me. When everyone got Soul Calibur IV Wii got Soul Calibur Legends(or some BS adventure game) When everyone got Resident Evil 5, we got unimportant rails shooter number 2, when everyone got Dead Space, we got unimportant rail shooter number 3. That list goes on. And it kept going on until developers just gave up! 3rd party support for Wii was nonexistent from the start.
There are no more excuses now, lame hardware? It's the best now! Crappy controllers? Well you got the best possible controller now! Stupid online system? Well now everyone is free from those shackles! Games are so expensive to make now a'days porting everything to every system is the way to go. The main final fantasy series is on X-box now for goodness sakes, even the U is getting Tekken and Ninja Gaiden. If the user base is there and nintendo's own fans will make sure of that, there is no way 3rd parties can just ignore Nintendo this time. Not everyone will have a grudge any more, they just can't take the financial hits.
I am so excited about the potential of this system. Those of you wallowing in despair well just stick with your other systems, you do have them right? And if your really not happy just buy everything, problem solved.
Post by: ThePerm on June 09, 2011, 05:57:40 PM
You have a TV in your had, which connects to a Giant TV, has realistc graphics, and joysticks and buttons, and touch screens and motion controls that connects to the internet through outer space and letsd you play with other people.
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Post by: Ian Sane on June 09, 2011, 06:03:10 PM
My biggest beef is simply that Nintendo didn't show us **** and hasn't given us any reason whatsoever to care about this screen. But they haven't fucked up the normal elements of the controller or the specs or the online model.
They could however still **** up the price or **** up the first party games with gimmicky touchscreen usage or **** up the marketing and pigeonhole this thing as strictly casual. We're not out of the woods yet.
