Post by: Urkel on December 03, 2004, 07:12:42 PM
I seem to recall reading that FF7 "only" took up about 900 something megabytes, with the rest of the data being redundant general stuff that needed to be on all 3 discs. Since that wouldn't be an issue with the DS card format, you wouldn't need any more than the 900+ megabytes of unique data.
The DS cards as they are hold quite a bit more than GBA, and are supposed to be cheaper to make. RE2 on the N64 proved that where there's a will there's a way, albeit with extra grainy video. The way I figure it, they wouldn't have to compromise video quality for FF7 with a DS port if the cards get to be around a Gig. So... the real question I have is: how long until the DS gets gigabyte sized cards (if ever)?
I know there are other issues too, like the characters might be too small and hard to see on a portable screen. One solution to that might be to include a "zoom" option, where it would enlarge the view a bit. They could make the menus touch screen accessible, add a side quest or two, throw in some touch screen mini-games, etc... but I'm getting ahead of myself here.
So could this really be feasible, or is it still a pipe dream?
Post by: KDR_11k on December 04, 2004, 02:06:30 AM
Post by: TMW on December 04, 2004, 04:04:30 AM
Er...how much stake does Sony have in SE's console decisions, anyways?
Still...if those facts are correct, I don't see why they couldn't do it. Or, go the CT route and turn the FMV's into animated sequences. That'd free up alot of space.
Post by: MysticGohan24 on December 04, 2004, 08:15:57 AM
So it's actually up to SE, if something like that where to happen.
Post by: Savior on December 04, 2004, 05:40:21 PM
Id rather have Chrono Trigger/Chross
Post by: kirby_killer_dedede on December 04, 2004, 05:49:01 PM
Post by: MysticGohan24 on December 04, 2004, 07:32:23 PM
a Remake of CT would be nice, kinda like CT:R, I hope those guys are doing well. I'm saddened squarenix killed it.
Post by: MaleficentOgre on December 04, 2004, 07:34:34 PM
Post by: Urkel on December 04, 2004, 08:30:46 PM
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As cool as it would be to have a portable FF7, and as feasible as it may or may not be...I really don't see this happening. I'm sure Sony fought tooth and nail to keep SE solely on their side, and I would bet money that they would do anything to keep a bestselling game like FF7 from going to the competition.
I'm completely confused by why FF7 hasn't been announced yet on PSP. When the PSP was first made official, I just assumed FF7 on PSP was a given. There are millions of FF fanboys that would buy PSPs just for this game. I'm sure Sony knows that. Even if Square isn't too gung ho about PSP right now, you'd think Sony would've offered a money sombrero to make it happen.
Post by: ruby_onix on December 04, 2004, 08:49:10 PM
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I'm completely confused by why FF7 hasn't been announced yet on PSP.
It's because Square's current plan is to milk Final Fantasy VII 26 times over (FF7:AC, FF7:BC, FF7:CC, FF7:DC... you get the idea), and two of those are already set for the PSP.
If they milked it a 27th time by making a port/remake, people might think they were going a little overboard...
Post by: Nephilim on December 05, 2004, 01:13:41 PM
You can buy a 2gig DS card from the shops now
Give tech a few years, and cheapness of the carts of the ds will allow for huge games
Post by: kirby_killer_dedede on December 05, 2004, 04:08:23 PM
Post by: Rancid Planet on December 05, 2004, 10:26:36 PM
OW!...I feel....woozy....(passes out)
Post by: PaLaDiN on December 05, 2004, 10:40:13 PM
Post by: Switchblade Cross on December 06, 2004, 02:00:14 AM
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hmmm...does a bigger card allow for better graphics? or does that depend more on the screen/processor of the DS itself? i know it depends more on the processor, but would there be even a small difference?
Graphics are determined by the power of the console. Such as Processor Power and RAM. The only thing that storage size (cartridge or CD) will determin is how much information is stored in regards to the game.
Example: If, hypothetically, the card size of the DS were smaller than cart size of the N64, Nintendo still could have put Mario 64 on DS, they just would have had to cut out some levels and stuff. In this case, the graphics could still be better on the DS, simply because of the systems power.
But, then again you could go into issues such as having more storage room fortextures and such would improve the visuals. To understand this you prettymuch need a grasp of how computers work.
Post by: oohhboy on December 06, 2004, 04:45:51 AM
Square really needs freshing up and to think people say Nintendo has gone stale.
Like Halo has given me Red Vs Blue, FF has given me 8-bit theater.
Post by: KDR_11k on December 06, 2004, 05:14:22 AM
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on December 07, 2004, 11:03:36 AM
Post by: Truthliesn1seyes on December 07, 2004, 12:11:32 PM
Post by: xyber_hitman on December 07, 2004, 12:20:22 PM
Post by: ruby_onix on December 07, 2004, 01:23:40 PM
FF7 was originally made on 3 PSX CDs.
The actual "game" portion of FF7 was 185 megabytes, with 998 megabytes of FMV (I just checked the PC version). That's less than two CDs worth of data, but the "game" would have to be doubled to be stored on two disks, which just barely pushed it over the 2-CD mark, so they made it a 3-CD game.
The FMV is completely uncompressed. The "game" contains stacks and stacks of uncompressed images for all the pretty prerendered backgrounds. MIDI audio and all that space-intensive "mature storyline" which wasn't possible in games like FF6 [/sarcasm] make up the rest of the "game" portion.
Angel Studios looked at FF7, looked at Nintendo's latest 512-megabit (64 megabyte) cartrige, looked at Factor 5's compression programs, and decided that FF7 could fit on an N64 cart. They asked Square if they could do it, but Square refused, either because they had been talking a lot of trash about how inferior the N64 was and didn't want to turn back, or because they had great respect for FF7 and didn't want to milk it with a port, or because they knew that Sony would never let them get away with it.
So Angel Studios went to Capcom and got permission to do RE2-64 instead. They succeded quite nicely, except that the voice acting in RE2-64 didn't sound quite right when compressed as much as it was (there's no voice acting in FF7).
With twice the size (one gigabit) being available for DS games right now, and four times the size (two gigabits) likely being available sometime next year, and even more effective compression technology, I would say that there's no question that FF7 could be done on the DS, and done even better than RE2-64 was.
The DS doesn't quite have as much resolution as a TV is capable of, but FF7 was pretty low-res. It might take a hit on the resolution, or some cropping for the semi-widescreen (both of which would result in smaller sizes, which would mean less severe compression would be required), but I don't think it would be major.
Of course, I don't think that Square would ever allow it (at least, not on a handheld of this generation, unless it's the PSP), because it would make people think that FF7 was less impressive than they wanted everyone to think it was.
Y'know, I'd actually prefer it if they made a 2D remake of FF7, in the style of something more like FF6 (but improved, of course). Lots of people are saying they want FF7 to get the RE Remake treatment on a modern console, but I'd actually prefer a 2D remake on something like the DS.
Post by: couchmonkey on December 08, 2004, 11:27:33 AM
That's still okay with me, although I think Square Enix is getting a bit greedy. I wish more developers would give us compliations instead of reselling individual games at full price.
Post by: Urkel on December 08, 2004, 10:01:30 PM
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Of course, I don't think that Square would ever allow it (at least, not on a handheld of this generation, unless it's the PSP), because it would make people think that FF7 was less impressive than they wanted everyone to think it was.
Interesting theory.
Of course, I'm not deluding myself into thinking this is something that would probably happen. I'm sure the PSP would be the top choice if Squenix ever decides to port FF7.
But you never know. If the DS ends up with a decisive victory over the PSP, Nintendo might be able to convince SquareEnix to allow this.
Post by: Draygaia on December 10, 2004, 06:38:41 AM
Post by: Bloodworth on December 11, 2004, 10:01:46 AM
Post by: kirby_killer_dedede on December 26, 2004, 08:58:48 AM
As for graphical capability, http://touchds.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=Sections&file=index&req=viewarticle&artid=10&page=1&POSTNUKESID=878c3d5a79a8d0342bc6e0825936aeec
Post by: CRAZIE_GUY on January 05, 2005, 10:34:37 AM
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Post by: Artimus on January 06, 2005, 01:53:41 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on January 07, 2005, 01:38:45 AM
Post by: marko on January 07, 2005, 09:23:52 PM
Post by: Gamefreak on January 08, 2005, 06:43:51 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on January 08, 2005, 08:34:12 PM
(plus I don't think S-E did any of those lightbakes back then, FFX had many closeups in realtime that would otherwise have needed prerendering)
Post by: Noble~Feather on January 09, 2005, 02:03:03 AM
It could be possible, considering Square's overwhelming support for the handheld, but I don't know if Sony would allow it.
Post by: Gamefreak on January 09, 2005, 06:35:56 AM
Post by: MysticGohan24 on January 09, 2005, 08:30:44 AM
RTS like those would be great for the DS. Especially with the touch screen, good uses can be made of it.
Post by: KDR_11k on January 10, 2005, 06:58:41 AM
Post by: oohhboy on January 11, 2005, 12:35:42 AM
For the Record. TA is more awesome than WC. Barely. If TA had WC Map scripting ability, no contest.
Post by: questionableone on January 12, 2005, 12:09:38 PM
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I think it's going to be poissible to hold more on those cards. You think houw easily they can fit 40 gigs of info on an ipod you think they can do it on these little carts.
ipods hold the info on hard discs, i think the DS is flash memory, but flash tech has advanced a lot, and im sure there will be (or already is) cards that can hold a hell of a lot, but i think ff7 would be on the psp. I think there is a ff7 based game lined up for the psp
startcraft would be kickass, and for map editing tools i think a gba memory card would be the best
