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Title: Fable discussion. Best RPG of all time or biggest flop of all time?
Post by: Scream-Dracula on February 10, 2003, 08:31:48 PM
I know this game has raised quite a few eyebrows but it's really hard to say how many people even know about it. Formerly known as "Project Ego" Fable will be the first attempt at an RPG simulation.

Here is the "official fan site" http://www.planetxbox.com/projectego/ the real site hasn't launched yet. It's at least worth a look even if you detest the XBOX.

I think this game will fill the void Shenmue left me with after all the IGN hype. I loved Shenmue but I expected something more Fable-like.  
Title: Fable discussion. Best RPG of all time or biggest flop of all time?
Post by: KrazyJ1098 on February 11, 2003, 03:57:28 AM
i dont know about this game, usually when the video game maker boasts that it's "the greatest something of all time," it usually sucks. look at that ps game that was supposed to be a mraio killer and it totally blew. i think that they are going to call this one a FF killer.
Title: Fable discussion. Best RPG of all time or biggest flop of all time?
Post by: nolimit19 on February 11, 2003, 08:46:22 PM
it looks mighty impressive, and the idea behind it is inovative and.....i dont know.....just simply amazing. its like the sims meet final fantasy. it may turn out to suck, but if they can execute their idea well, it will be great. of course that is the toughest part, but i think this game may be totally ahead of its time. i wonder how it will be recieved.
Title: Fable discussion. Best RPG of all time or biggest flop of all time?
Post by: manunited4eva22 on February 12, 2003, 05:51:22 AM
Bad or not, I will still be buying it. I have to see how close they can meet the hype that all the internet has built up.
Title: Fable discussion. Best RPG of all time or biggest flop of all time?
Post by: sonic on February 12, 2003, 09:49:30 AM
Er... Flop. It's being hyped up to be the best RPG of all time and I don't think anyone has even played it yet.  

Innovative concepts, as great as they may sound, have little significance if executed poorly.
Title: Fable discussion. Best RPG of all time or biggest flop of all time?
Post by: Grey Ninja on February 12, 2003, 11:58:41 AM
It's got some good ideas in it, that resemble Earthbound 64 in a lot of ways, but it's just not my style.  I have never liked American RPGs that much, as I always preferred the Japanese RPGs.  I can definately live without this game.
Title: Fable discussion. Best RPG of all time or biggest flop of all time?
Post by: baberg on February 12, 2003, 03:12:20 PM
*peers into Magic 8-Ball*

Reply hazy, try again later.  Like after the game is released and people have played it.

Man, I didn't think this Magic 8-Ball was that good...

And for those who listen to hype, I present to you: Diakatana.  

ph33r.
Title: Fable discussion. Best RPG of all time or biggest flop of all time?
Post by: TheResidentEvil on February 13, 2003, 12:37:07 PM
This stuff is seriously Nintendo class... Well, ok maybe Capcxom class--but this gamke is going to blowe or minds! Almost as much as Zelda will. This game is going to be so fabulous---errrrg if I didnt weant Zelda so bad all the time I would be wanting this.
Title: Fable discussion. Best RPG of all time or biggest flop of all time?
Post by: ThePerm on February 15, 2003, 07:40:49 AM
I dotn know Peter Molyneux(spelling) has made some awesome games. The game sounds like quality to me. It filled with all sorts of cool ideas. It will not be like FF.  Then again i remember Aidyn chronicles promised good things and it turned otu to be worse then hercules 64(actually that wasnt' half bad) which was made by the makers of superman64(we all know this game sucked balls..big green goblin balls)

but considerign where its coming from it could very well be good, now is the tiem where its hard to make extremely crappy games, systems are easy to program for and even low class games can be cool. I played this cheap MK ripoff fighting game(it wasnt teo feng either....teo feng...oooh) on an xbox kiosk, and suprisingly it was pretty decent. Im sure next generation all the crap will pretty much go far away into the sewers.  I mean what once was a technical delima in making a game is now going to be easy to pull off and the gameplay will benifit.
Title: Fable discussion. Best RPG of all time or biggest flop of all time?
Post by: 3_MaSteRPIeCE on February 15, 2003, 12:11:21 PM
Peter is known for not keeping his word.

but

they got good people and microsoft's money now.



It will be The best RPG for a long time.
Title: Fable discussion. Best RPG of all time or biggest flop of all time?
Post by: BrianSLA on February 15, 2003, 01:18:57 PM
I am not sure if it will be the " best RPG " of all time...... BUT I am damn sure it will be a great game. I think if you are looking foward to Fable..... you can get a taste of a very similar RPG in a couple of months in STAR WARS Knights of the Old Republic. That game is looking seriously sweet and the RPG / THE Star Wars game to beat.  
Title: Fable discussion. Best RPG of all time or biggest flop of all time?
Post by: TheResidentEvil on February 16, 2003, 08:15:51 AM
Um.... Starwars:KOTOR is NOTHING like Fable, please dont mislead people, they have nothing in common except they will both be good, besides that they are tottally different.
Title: Fable discussion. Best RPG of all time or biggest flop of all time?
Post by: BrianSLA on February 16, 2003, 05:17:48 PM
From every source I've read about Fable & Star Wars KOTOR...... you pick a character class, choose good or evil by your actions and interactions with NonPlayer characters , and start branching out from there.  As for universes.... Yes Star Wars is futuristic and Fable is more mythic.... BUT as RPGs go, similar types.  
Title: Fable discussion. Best RPG of all time or biggest flop of all time?
Post by: TheResidentEvil on February 16, 2003, 06:26:38 PM
Fable, tottally free and time passes and whatnot, KOTOG is linear.
Title: Fable discussion. Best RPG of all time or biggest flop of all time?
Post by: RahXephon on February 16, 2003, 06:36:39 PM
i believe that fable will be surpassing in many ways.... however, story not being one.  So in answer to the question, it will be one of the most unique experiences offered by an RPG but does not pull you, you must pull yourself.  I refer of course to Morrowind, who, while was a fantastic game, had no plot to worry over.
Title: Fable discussion. Best RPG of all time or biggest flop of all time?
Post by: BlkPaladin on February 17, 2003, 04:04:47 AM
Marrowind had a plot if you choose to follow it.

Fable has a more loose plot but evoloves what you do. The characters act differently say different things. Supposedly there are some quest event you can take depending on which path you character is taking. If you like Black and White you'll more than likely like Fable. But I'm holding off my judgement until I can play some of it. Since I waited a long time for Black and White and it ended up haveing quite a few bugs in it.
Title: Fable discussion. Best RPG of all time or biggest flop of all time?
Post by: RahXephon on February 17, 2003, 05:08:03 AM
thats exactly the plot i meant though, one that was there, but not one you had to follow, like GTA as well.
Title: Fable discussion. Best RPG of all time or biggest flop of all time?
Post by: BlkPaladin on February 17, 2003, 07:36:15 AM
Unless its handled correctly such a game can get boring. I remember in Marrowwind my brother tried to go back and follow some of the story line and found he couldn't because he killed the wrong person.

That was the time when the game was put up on the shelf and it hasn't come down.
Title: Fable discussion. Best RPG of all time or biggest flop of all time?
Post by: TheResidentEvil on February 17, 2003, 12:13:56 PM
I have faith, this will rock so much more than morrowind.
Title: Fable discussion. Best RPG of all time or biggest flop of all time?
Post by: RahXephon on February 17, 2003, 12:18:32 PM
hey paladin, the same thing happened to my friend.  He was mad for awhile, but loves those kind of games, so just said screw the story and worked on his reputation.
Title: Fable discussion. Best RPG of all time or biggest flop of all time?
Post by: 3_MaSteRPIeCE on February 17, 2003, 04:11:27 PM
I read nearly every single fable related article ever.



Peter reads our minds. seriously.


So do you think that we'd mess up the game eventually if we killed someone?  No and somehow he has plans for that.

If i could i would post a link but i think it's against the rules.
Title: Fable discussion. Best RPG of all time or biggest flop of all time?
Post by: couchmonkey on February 18, 2003, 11:51:07 AM
It all sounds very promising, but we won't know until it comes out.  Good concepts don't equal good games, I thought the concept behind Blinx was brilliant, but the final game doesn't seem to be particularly outstanding.
Title: Fable discussion. Best RPG of all time or biggest flop of all time?
Post by: EggyToast on February 19, 2003, 02:53:10 PM
Daikatana was supposed to be absolutely mind-blowing, too, with a lot of big names backing it up.
Title: Fable discussion. Best RPG of all time or biggest flop of all time?
Post by: Scream-Dracula on February 21, 2003, 07:38:10 AM
Another reason I think this game is going to be great is the broad appeal they are going for. They aren't going to complicate it with hit points and all that other tedious RPG jazz. The PR guy Deane Carter keeps mentioning they are going for a game that can be enjoyed even "after coming home from the pub". Finaly an RPG that might intrest people who have never played one before. Everyone should hope this game is a wild success because it opens up the door for games like it in the future. Who cares if (god forbid) it isn't on the system you own? There will always be great games on a system you don't own (the grass is always greener...). Imagine in 5-10 years there will most likely be mmorpgs with a similar engine to fable.
Title: Fable discussion. Best RPG of all time or biggest flop of all time?
Post by: ThePerm on February 21, 2003, 08:09:30 AM
from what i gather it will be an action rpg..probably in the vein of zelda. The thing that makes it really cool and unique is the customiztion and the effects on the environment and character by what you do. It has a non linear story...but probably in a gta3 way where you only get into the story if you work at it.
Title: Fable discussion. Best RPG of all time or biggest flop of all time?
Post by: EggyToast on February 21, 2003, 10:16:25 AM
You know, if they try to make the game appeal to everyone, it'll probably end up appealing to no one.  If it's not like normal RPGs, then the RPG crowd isn't going to like it.  If it's not like normal adventure games, then the adventure crowd probably won't like it.  If it's not like normal action games, then the action crowd probably won't like it.

Sure, it might fill a void, but it might also simply be a mish-mash of ideas that don't really come together except for the few that really play the game to death.  Black and White didn't really work so well because you NEEDED to spend a ton of time training your stupid animal, and then it did what you wanted it to do anyway.  Most people didn't care -- they wanted to play the game, not waste time training a cow to play the game for them.  And the people who did figure the game out and spent time training their animal had a lot of fun... for the 5 available levels, only 4 of which are really actual levels.  Everyone else avoided the game.  

I'm hoping I'm surprised by Fable, as the few things I've heard sound really cool in practice but haven't shown up a lot in gameplay (except for people saying different things to you and treating you differently depending on your status -- they've been doing that for years, most notably recently in skies of arcadia).  But it looks like it'll be a graphically pretty game that goes all over the place without having a real strength in any one area, making people bored with it, and the only thing giving it length would be playing around with the engine to see what you can do to it.  That's more like beta-testing than playing a game, in my mind.
Title: Fable discussion. Best RPG of all time or biggest flop of all time?
Post by: Mini Me-tho on May 04, 2003, 08:58:56 AM
Well, here in France the biggest videogames magazine (Joypad) is following this game with enormous interest, and have some cool insiders infos every time possible... It turns to be a very enjoyable game, and even if I don't own a Xbox, I'll be lookinf forward getting one on loan or else to try it!!!
It's really interesting to test this liberty designed to be so unique...  
Title: Fable discussion. Best RPG of all time or biggest flop of all time?
Post by: rpglover on May 04, 2003, 10:01:51 AM
if the game turns out good, then i may buy an xbox for it
it looks good and the creator of it has a good track record (peter m...cant remember last name)
but i havent seen it in action yet so i cant make any judgement on a few scans here and there
we shall see by e3 i would say
Title: RE: Fable discussion. Best RPG of all time or biggest flop of all time?
Post by: OldMan Nintendo on May 06, 2003, 05:03:27 AM
I remember hearing about this game some time ago... it sounds interesting and I intend on giving it a shot once it comes out.

However, it being called "Best RPG Ever" is kinda pushing it -- I mean, come on! What RPG was better than Chrono Trigger for the SNES?
Title: Fable discussion. Best RPG of all time or biggest flop of all time?
Post by: EggyToast on May 06, 2003, 08:53:14 AM
It could have mind-blowing concepts, but if it plays like crap, no one's going to play it.  Nothing's come out about how you actually "play" the game.  Sure, the game responds to your actions (which isn't new tech), but what can you do?  It almost sounds like more of a sim RPG.

Plus, there's a huge difference between actually open-ended and pre-determined paths you can pick and choose from at various points.  A truly open-ended game is hell to program, as you need to supply variants in every single situation in the game.  Meaning teh game will be delayed and delayed, or released v. buggy.

Peter M. may read minds and knows what people want to hear, which is great for hyping a game.  He did the same thing for Black & White; we heard tons of ideas of concepts and gameplay ideas that sounded superb coming from him, but they turned into a medieval RTS-type game with confusing mandatory animal training.  But saying what we want to hear and putting it all into a game the way we're expecting are two totally different things.  

So I can see how the "role playing" comes into the project, but not the "game."  They're good ideas on their own, but they haven't said anything about how those ideas actually work into the real GAME.  and it's not really a game if it's just these few nebulous ideas stuck together.  It's just a simulation or worse then.
Title: Fable discussion. Best RPG of all time or biggest flop of all time?
Post by: rpglover on May 06, 2003, 01:34:11 PM
" I mean, come on! What RPG was better than Chrono Trigger for the SNES? "

chrono trigger was great but i think there have been a few better ones- valkyrie profile, grandia series, ff3 (ff6 in japan), earthbound come to mind
of course chrono trigger is just plain good
i dont think fable will be the best rpg ever but it may be good if it does what it promises
i just dont know about the battle system though- it will probably be a real time one but i dont know
Title: Fable discussion. Best RPG of all time or biggest flop of all time?
Post by: The Omen on May 08, 2003, 06:24:42 PM
I'll never understand why M$ insists on hyping up games to astronomical purportions...they're basically leaving just enough rope to hang themselves, ..why not let the game create the hype?
Title: Fable discussion. Best RPG of all time or biggest flop of all time?
Post by: jc24 on May 12, 2003, 03:07:52 PM
i think fable is a great idea for a game, but with how truly "huge" the game sounds it leaves a lot of room for error.  i just hope it lives up to the hype.
Title: Fable discussion. Best RPG of all time or biggest flop of all time?
Post by: rpglover on May 12, 2003, 06:22:57 PM
just saw the new trailor of it at www.gamespot.com
it looks good i guess- the graphics are there and they actually showed some fighting sequences
the concepts look really cool but i hope the fighting system will be up to par
doing odds and ends tasks is fun but i would really love for the game to have a good fighting system
maybe it will be playable at e3 so we can get a better idea