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Title: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Ceric on April 16, 2011, 09:37:33 PM
Hello,
So we don't clog up rumor thread and other put your price and release guess here for future reference.
Playing Price Is Right Rules so its whoever is closest without going over to either the date or the Price. If it's not a simultaneous World Wide release you can win by hitting any of the dates and prices and I'll not the winner for the region.  Whoever gets it get a "Kudoo" or "At'a Boy."

My Guess is $299.99 and 3/18/2012.

NamePriceDatePost
Ceric$299.993/18/2012http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34112.msg667323#msg667323
Adrock$349.996/10/2012http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34112.msg667325#msg667325
NeoStar9X$299.993/18/2012http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34112.msg667326#msg667326
http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34112.msg667484#msg667484 (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34112.msg667484#msg667484)
Caterkiller$299.9912/20/2011
3/20/2012		http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34112.msg667341#msg667341
http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34112.msg670010#msg670010 (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34112.msg670010#msg670010)
rad.i.kal$249.9912/25/2011**http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34112.msg667344#msg667344
Rachtman$349.991,4
$299.99		9/23/2012
3/25/2012		http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34112.msg679322#msg679322
http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34112.msg667374#msg667374
coffeewithgames$199.9911/20/2011http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34112.msg667440#msg667440
Chozo Ghost$329.996/17/2012http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34112.msg667446#msg667446
http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34112.msg669072#msg669072 (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34112.msg669072#msg669072)
Shaymin$249.99111/18/2012
6/17/2012		http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34112.msg679194#msg679194
http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34112.msg667448#msg667448
NWR_insanolord$14.995/8/2011http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34112.msg667451#msg667451
Luigi Dude$299.9911/18/2012http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34112.msg667473#msg667473
Mop it up$299.9911/18/2012http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34112.msg667518#msg667518 (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34112.msg667518#msg667518)
http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34112.msg667530#msg667530 (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34112.msg667530#msg667530)
http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34112.msg679362#msg679362 (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34112.msg679362#msg679362)
Tanookisuit$299.99 9/30/2012http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34112.msg667542#msg667542
nemo$329.123/29/2012http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34112.msg667545#msg667545
UncleBoba€2.675,973,529/03/2012http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34112.msg668923#msg668923
BlackNMild2k1N/A6/19/2012http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34112.msg668972#msg668972
Louieturkey$329.99 10/28/2012
6/14/2012		http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34112.msg724102#msg724102
http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34112.msg668990#msg668990 (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34112.msg668990#msg668990)
MaryJane$2003/09/2012http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34112.msg669100#msg669100
ShyGuy$299.996/17/2012http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34112.msg669090#msg669090
GoldenPheonix$299.99
$349.99		4/30/2012**
10/28/2012		http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34112.msg679520#msg679520
http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34112.msg669161#msg669161
Drago175$349.9911/20/2011http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34112.msg669643#msg669643
Lithium$349.9911/19/2012
11/19/2011		http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34112.msg669648#msg669648
http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34112.msg679365#msg679365 (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34112.msg679365#msg679365)
Rhoq$349.994/1/2012http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34112.msg669986#msg669986
kraken613$299.9911/20/2012http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34112.msg679310#msg679310
ThePerm$299.9911/22/2012http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34112.msg679320#msg679320
FZeroBoyo$350111/18/2012http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34112.msg679419#msg679419
Bman87301$249.998/12/2012http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34112.msg679574#msg679574
Quadran€299.9936/12/2012http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34112.msg679598#msg679598
Rachtman$279.991,411/16/2012http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34112.msg724127#msg724127 (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34112.msg724127#msg724127)
 


a Motivating Placeholder till real guess is given

1With Pack in game
2Price ranges are fine and encouraged for discussion but only specific prices will be used for the game.
3In Europe
4Packed with Wii Remote, Nunchuk, and Classic Controller Pro
5Conjectured from post text

*Date ranges and general dates are fine and encouraged for discussion but only specific dates will be used for the game.
 **Conjectured from post text
Title: Re: Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Adrock on April 16, 2011, 10:15:15 PM
$349.99 on 06/10/2012. I chose a Q2 release because I think Nintendo will revamp 3DS in Q4 2012.

I'd prefer it retail over $299.99, but Nintendo should put a price gap between their console and handheld. Handhelds aren't intrinsically worth less; there just exists the stigma that they do. I would hope Nintendo doesn't mark up the price too much, but considering 3DS is sold for something like $75-$100 more than it's worth after all is said and done, I'm hoping against hope here.
Title: Re: Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: NeoStar9X on April 16, 2011, 10:27:57 PM
$299.99 is my guess for the console price and Q1 or Q2 for the release. Though they could come out with two skus the way Microsoft did with one priced a bit higher. 

I don't see Nintendo going over that. They thought they could move the 3DS at $250 and it's possible that might not work out for them (I'm glad I had credit at Amazon to buy one so I really just paid $200. $250 did give me pause in the end) and they'll lower it. So I don't think they'll try that premium price game again with a console. At least not with just one sku. Might be a bit to risky for them.

With the way the Wii sales are now, especially in Japan, I see them trying to push the system out sooner rather then later. At this way they can still get versions of the upcoming games being released on the PS3/360 with Nintendo IPs being the draw for the system that separates it from the other systems. There is no significant 3rd party support for the Wii now. Outside of licensed games the Conduit 2 is the last significant core game that isn't coming from Nintendo itself and even that's iffy. There is no harm at all in pushing out a new system if it has the 3rd party support. The Wii can still sell the way the PS2 still sold due to it's library of games you can get that might be more in the used pile or gotten at Amazon.com but it will be clear newer games like the next Mario Kart, Mario, Animal Crossing, etc will be on the new system. There is no negative in pushing out the new system at the beginning of 2012 or even at the end of 2011 if they can actually manage that.

I think they could get 2011 if their OS and online systems are ready. I wouldn't be surprised if they were working on that while developing the 3DS OS. The two are most likely going to be siblings anyway. There is no reason for them not to simply copy what PSN or Xbox Live have either.
Title: Re: Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Caterkiller on April 17, 2011, 01:23:52 AM
$299.99 on 12/20/11.
Title: Re: Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: rad.i.kal on April 17, 2011, 01:45:58 AM
With the Wii 1 down to 150 soon It may be 249.99! I say This year, Dec 2011! Why not a christmas release, we have no good wii games to hold us over for two years? Nah no way.
Title: Re: Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Ceric on April 17, 2011, 08:03:29 AM
First a maintenance note update the top thread with everyone's guesses. Now on to the Discussion...

I don't think Nintendo will ever do the 2 Sku at launch thing.  They are fully willing to do iterations but, they have been resistant over the years doing anything else because they are big on known hardware.  Also if you still are going for the casual market multiple SKU on new Hardware, even if its just something like space, will cause confusion and probably delay sales and in some case stop it all together.  I know I've personally waited on different skus to get the one with the more space and then it was time for a new iteration etc., actually this is what happened with the 360 and I just never got one.
Quote from: rad.i.kal on April 17, 2011, 01:45:58 AM
With the Wii 1 down to 150 soon It may be 249.99! I say This year, Dec 2011! Why not a christmas release, we have no good wii games to hold us over for two years? Nah no way.
That is a good point but DQX could make a whole quarter for them in their core market of Japan.  Never felt Nintendo gave a flying flip about US this latter half because they have a real competitor in the 360 here and people are still steadily buying the Wii for Wii Sports.  Hence why it seems the normal anemic Europe support is getting better from the outside looking in even though it is more work to properly move a game, more languages etc.
Title: Re: Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Sarail on April 17, 2011, 09:22:15 AM
$299.99 at 3/25/12.
Title: Re: Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: coffeewithgames on April 17, 2011, 05:10:01 PM
$199.99 on November 20, 2011.
Title: Re: Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 17, 2011, 06:05:25 PM
It needs to come out THIS year, but all the rumors seem to be hinting at a late 2012 release. It may be possible that Nintendo themselves leaked out a false rumor in order to throw off the competition. If the rumors are correct then it will come out late 2012, but I'm going to be hoping the rumors are wrong and we will see it this year.

Put me down at 11/19/2011 at $329.99. I'm making this guess on the assumption that all the rumors pointing at late 2012 are due an intentional false leak by Nintendo. This date also makes it exactly 5 years to the day when the Wii launched on 11/19/2006 and 11/19/2011 is a good date because that happens to be a Saturday, which is probably the best day of the week to launch a console. So it makes sense. As for the price, I just went with $329.99 to be different, because no one else guessed that.

I really don't think they will price the console at $299.99, because that would match up with the price of the 360/PS3 and they want their console to appear to be more powerful (which it will be), so it needs to be priced higher so that it appears to be the superior system. When you also factor in the inevitable shortages they need to go with a higher price anyway, because if they don't thousands of scalpers will and it will be just like the Wii when it launched all over again.

As unlikely as a $299.99 price is, anything less than that is just absurd. If its priced $249.99 or $199.99 then it will be priced less than the 360/PS3 which would be ridiculous for a technologically superior system.
Title: Re: Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Shaymin on April 17, 2011, 06:08:36 PM
June 17, 2012
$249.99 w/packin game
Title: Re: Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 17, 2011, 06:26:13 PM
May 8, 2011
$14.99
Title: Re: Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Luigi Dude on April 17, 2011, 08:03:48 PM
November 18th, 2012 in North America for somewhere between $299.99.

If you look at how Nintendo was barely able to have anything ready for the 3DS at it's launch earlier this year and won't have much until at least this fall and it's basically a portable Gamecube, no way in hell they'll have anything ready for a system that's suppose to be stronger then the 360 before at least the end of 2012.
Title: Re: Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Ceric on April 17, 2011, 08:17:13 PM
Agree the 3DS was not a properly supported launch but neither was the DS.
I agree Chozo I think that it should be this year.
Title: Re: Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: NeoStar9X on April 17, 2011, 08:43:45 PM
I'll go with March 18th, 2012 list a firm date. I don't think this year but would love it if that were the case. However I'll admit that might be pretty fast. However around the same time as they launched the 3DS but next year might be something they could try. The 18th as that's a Sunday and Nintendo likes their Sunday launches.
Still the rest of the year is pretty much dead and I think they really should push for this year. Nintendo might have some titles coming and that's a big might but I don't see anything else from anyone else. Unless Nintendo is willing to let the Wii go down with just cheap licensed titles.
Title: Re: Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: coffeewithgames on April 17, 2011, 08:48:52 PM
Quote from: Chozo Ghost on April 17, 2011, 06:05:25 PM
It needs to come out THIS year, but all the rumors seem to be hinting at a late 2012 release. It may be possible that Nintendo themselves leaked out a false rumor in order to throw off the competition. If the rumors are correct then it will come out late 2012, but I'm going to be hoping the rumors are wrong and we will see it this year.


.......

As unlikely as a $299.99 price is, anything less than that is just absurd. If its priced $249.99 or $199.99 then it will be priced less than the 360/PS3 which would be ridiculous for a technologically superior system.


If it releases this year, it can perhaps be $299.99.  Otherwise, I honestly don't see how they're going to be competitive against two systems in 2012, that will be probably $250 or less, with a HUGE library of games and HD graphics already...
From what we know, it's a mix of power between the Xbox 360 and PS3...so it's not a huge leap at all if the "rumors" are true...which should mean the cost to produce it should be low as well.


If they release it at $199.99 with HD though, that would be a huge way to get current Wii owners to accept it, and not buy another system...and to remain competitive with prices.


Otherwise, they're abandoning this "Blue Ocean" idea they claim to use, I think...
Title: Re: Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Luigi Dude on April 17, 2011, 08:49:49 PM
Quote from: Ceric on April 17, 2011, 08:17:13 PM
Agree the 3DS was not a properly supported launch but neither was the DS.
I agree Chozo I think that it should be this year.

Yeah but the Wii was released 2 years after the DS though so most of Nintendo's studio's had plenty of time to finish their DS games and then start to work on Wii games well before the Wii was even offically shown at E3 2006.  With the 3DS first year looking like the DS first year, it's not giving me a lot of confidence in the studio's being able to start working full time on the Wii's successor until at least end of 2011/early 2012.

Which is why fall 2012 is the very earliest I can see Nintendo having anything ready.
Title: Re: Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 17, 2011, 08:50:55 PM
If they are only just now approaching 3rd parties with dev kits then there's no way they can launch it this year. If developers are only getting the dev kits now then there's no way anything more than tech demos could be complete by the end of the year. They can't launch a new console with zero launch titles.... well, they could but...
Title: Re: Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: NeoStar9X on April 17, 2011, 08:57:21 PM
Quote from: Chozo Ghost on April 17, 2011, 08:50:55 PM
If they are only just now approaching 3rd parties with dev kits then there's no way they can launch it this year. If developers are only getting the dev kits now then there's no way anything more than tech demos could be complete by the end of the year. They can't launch a new console with zero launch titles.... well, they could but...
That is a problem. We have rumors just to go on right now. They might only be getting kits out to developers now or some might already have them. Then there is the case of them maybe giving equivalent kits but not the official ones. Something that might allow them to port current games they might have or already have in development and get started on new games until the official ones are ready if they aren't already. Now if the system upscaled games that might be something that could take up a small amount of time until new system games arrive. Give a new lease on life to a number of older titles if only for a short amount of time.
Title: Re: Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Ceric on April 17, 2011, 09:04:00 PM
Quote from: Chozo Ghost on April 17, 2011, 08:50:55 PM
If they are only just now approaching 3rd parties with dev kits then there's no way they can launch it this year. If developers are only getting the dev kits now then there's no way anything more than tech demos could be complete by the end of the year. They can't launch a new console with zero launch titles.... well, they could but...

Would that really surprise you from Nintendo?
 
If the past generation is any indication their probably getting non-final concept dev kits.  Which will be later, and problematically, be traded in for Final Dev Kits...
Title: Re: Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 17, 2011, 10:10:31 PM
I guess something simplistic like Wii Sports and Carnival Games type stuff with cheap graphics could probably be slapped together between now and the end of the year for a late year launch. Combine that with hardcore games like Zelda which have been in the works for the Wii for several years rush ported to the new hardware then you might have some semblance of a launch lineup by the end of the year. It wouldn't be a great lineup by any stretch, but it probably could be slapped together by December.
Title: Re: Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Mop it up on April 17, 2011, 10:11:29 PM
For me, it's really difficult to say if it will be $249.99 or $299.99 because I can think of reasons for both price points. I just can't decide. As for date, sometime in mid November 2012. What's the Sunday closest the middle of the month?
Title: Re: Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Ceric on April 17, 2011, 10:13:58 PM
I'm thinking any Nintendo game at this point have been going for a while.
 
Mop it up: the 11th or 18th
Title: Re: Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 17, 2011, 10:16:29 PM
The 18th then. Nintendo launches hardware the Sunday before Thanksgiving. GameCube, DS, Wii and I'll bet they tried like hell to have the 3DS out in time for that slot, but it fell to DKCR.
Title: Re: Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Mop it up on April 17, 2011, 10:24:01 PM
That sounds about right. Put me down for the 18th then.
Title: Re: Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Ceric on April 17, 2011, 10:29:57 PM
Quote from: NWR_insanolord on April 17, 2011, 10:16:29 PM
The 18th then. Nintendo launches hardware the Sunday before Thanksgiving. GameCube, DS, Wii and I'll bet they tried like hell to have the 3DS out in time for that slot, but it fell to DKCR.
See what the Launch lineup is like that was just another nail in the coffin on hitting that.
Title: Re: Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Tanookisuit on April 17, 2011, 10:44:27 PM
$299.99   9/30/2012
Title: Re: Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Nemo on April 17, 2011, 11:12:29 PM
$329.12 on 3/29/12.

See what I did there?
Title: Re: Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 17, 2011, 11:18:20 PM
Alliteration will never again work as well as it did for Sega with the Dreamcast.
Title: Re: Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Mop it up on April 25, 2011, 12:36:22 PM
Does anyone who picked a 2011 date want to revise it?
Title: Re: Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: UncleBob on April 25, 2011, 12:41:12 PM
Quote from: Nemo on April 17, 2011, 11:12:29 PM
$329.12 on 3/29/12.

See what I did there?
Would it be $3,903.12 on 29/03/12 in Europe?
Title: Re: Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Nemo on April 25, 2011, 01:59:18 PM
It's always more expensive in Europe. ;)
Title: Re: Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 25, 2011, 02:46:24 PM
I figure E3 2012 will be June 5-7 2012

Cafe will release exactly 2 weeks later on Tues. June 19th 2012 (or that same week Sun 17th - Sun 24th)
I think that is the same week schools should be getting out for Summer, so it would benefit from not only E3 HYPE but Summer Vacation Excitement.
Title: Re: Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Ceric on April 25, 2011, 02:53:45 PM
Quote from: BlackNMild2k1 on April 25, 2011, 02:46:24 PM
I figure E3 2012 will be June 5-7 2012

Cafe will release exactly 2 weeks later on Tues. June 19th 2012 (or that same week Sun 17th - Sun 24th)
I think that is the same week schools should be getting out for Summer, so it would benefit from not only E3 HYPE but Summer Vacation Excitement.

That be right after my Sisters 1 year anniversary.  That is sound reasoning.  You have a price guesse?
Title: Re: Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 25, 2011, 03:07:42 PM
I want to see what level of capability we are talking here before I guess on a price.

If it does everything I hope it does with 4 independent screens @ 800x480(?) & the TV @ 1080p, graphics far enough beyond PS360 that it's not to be far outclassed by PS4/X720 then I want to say $349.99

If it's just a marginal bump beyond the PS360 and the streaming controllers are not as full featured in their use as I imagine (see the rumor thread), then $299.99

Both ways with a game packed in that makes use of the new controller.
But I'm not gonna make a solid prediction on price until I see/know what we are pricing.
Title: Re: Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Ceric on April 25, 2011, 03:12:21 PM
Quote from: BlackNMild2k1 on April 25, 2011, 03:07:42 PM
I want to see what level of capability we are talking here before I guess on a price.

If it does everything I hope it does with 4 independent screens @ 800x480(?) & the TV @ 1080p, graphics far enough beyond PS360 that it's not to be far outclassed by PS4/X720 then I want to say $349.99

If it's just a marginal bump beyond the PS360 and the streaming controllers are not as full featured in their use as I imagine (see the rumor thread), then $299.99

Both ways with a game packed in that makes use of the new controller.
But I'm not gonna make a solid prediction on price until I see/know what we are pricing.
I Respect your decision and I'll keep you at N/A until I get the definitive BnM Price post.
Title: Re: Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Louieturkey on April 25, 2011, 03:27:33 PM
Price I think will be $329.99 and the release date of 6/14/12 just after E3 so they can ride the uber hype train (this is pending the chance that E3 is not around the same time period next year, if E3 moves, the Cafe will come out 1-2 weeks after E3).
Title: Re: Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 25, 2011, 05:38:09 PM
Quote from: Mop it up on April 25, 2011, 12:36:22 PM
Does anyone who picked a 2011 date want to revise it?

Yeah. Let me revise my guess to June 17th, 2012.

It seems almost certain now that its going to come out after the fiscal year ends in March, but hopefully it will still be before the holiday season. June 17th is a reasonable guess because it is after E3 but still close enough to it that the hype will be extremely high.
Title: Re: Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Mop it up on April 25, 2011, 06:51:13 PM
Quote from: NWR_insanolord on April 17, 2011, 11:18:20 PM
Alliteration will never again work as well as it did for Sega with the Dreamcast.
If they launched on 11/11/11, that wouldn't be as good?
Title: Re: Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: ShyGuy on April 25, 2011, 06:54:34 PM
$299.95 June 17th 2012
Title: Re: Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: MaryJane on April 25, 2011, 07:13:12 PM
I'm going to guess March 9 for worldwide launch (3+9=12, as in 03/09/2012), and the price to be $200 because they're probably going to charge $80 a controller.
Title: Re: Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Shaymin on April 25, 2011, 07:16:18 PM
Quote from: Mop it up on April 25, 2011, 06:51:13 PM
Quote from: NWR_insanolord on April 17, 2011, 11:18:20 PM
Alliteration will never again work as well as it did for Sega with the Dreamcast.
If they launched on 11/11/11, that wouldn't be as good?

I'm not sure if launching against Skyrim and Minecraft would be brilliant or stupid.
Title: Re: Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 25, 2011, 09:31:30 PM
Brilliant or stupid for who? Nintendo?

Skyrim and Minecraft releasing against a NEW Nintendo console in HD?
I don't think Nintendo would be worried or even notice.
Title: Re: Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: SixthAngel on April 25, 2011, 10:20:30 PM
Minecraft is already released and if Alpha - Beta is any indication there will be nothing special about the next jump besides it getting more expensive.

I say Aug/Sept. 2012.  It lets the 3DS and Zelda control this holiday season and gives them time to get this set up to be manufactured and actually have some stock and games.  If the controllers have a screen like they say I expect a shortage of them.
Title: Re: Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 26, 2011, 12:28:57 AM
Quote from: Shaymin on April 25, 2011, 07:16:18 PM
Quote from: Mop it up on April 25, 2011, 06:51:13 PM
Quote from: NWR_insanolord on April 17, 2011, 11:18:20 PM
Alliteration will never again work as well as it did for Sega with the Dreamcast.
If they launched on 11/11/11, that wouldn't be as good?

I'm not sure if launching against Skyrim and Minecraft would be brilliant or stupid.

Its sorta a case of apples and oranges, since those are games and this is a console. They are similar things, yes, just like how apples and oranges are both fruit. But they are not in direct competition with one another. In fact, those games CAN be ported to the Wii Stream Cafe and then they would not only not be in competition but actually supporting one another in cooperation. Since the Wii Stream Cafe is supposedly similar to the 360 it should be a minimal task to port the games over.

I for one intend to get Skyrim no matter what, but I would love to be able to play it on Nintendo hardware if possible.
Title: Re: Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on April 26, 2011, 12:35:31 AM
October 28th 2012 for 349.99.
Title: Re: Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Drago175 on April 27, 2011, 04:37:00 PM
I'm going to go for the long shot; November 20th 2011, at $349.99.

I know what Iwata said, I just don't read it as meaning it can't come out this year. There are more reasons other then the system's not coming out this fiscal year to not yet estimate it's profits. Whether they are still looking at the price point, unsure of quantities available for a holiday launch, if they can even hit a holiday launch, plus it always looks better to revise estimated profits up, rather than down, mid-year.

All that said an early 2012, say February to June, launch would not surprise me in the least.
Title: Re: Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Lithium on April 27, 2011, 05:23:41 PM
I'm going to guess November 19th 2011 at $349.99 for basically all the reasons Chozo Ghost listed (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34112.msg667446#msg667446). With the 3ds they were actually aiming for a holiday 2010 release, Everyone knows that anytime outside of q4 isn't the best time to launch a system but they only released it on march because they were forced to in order to make the fiscal year to please investors. Judging on the abysmal release schedule for q2 its pretty clear that nintendo is allready making way for the new system, why would they shut off the tap if the system launch is 1 1/2 years away? as for the projections its very likely they wont pin-point a price (http://www.joystiq.com/2010/09/30/iwata-e3-reaction-a-factor-in-3ds-pricing/) until after e3 and cant responsibly add those numbers in.

At e3 they will probably announce a vague "Holiday 2011" release.
Title: Re: Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Mop it up on April 27, 2011, 05:42:40 PM
What if Minecraft came out on the next system? That would be a pretty interesting turn. I'd actually hope for it to happen because the game looks fun, as I just can't play games on a PC.
Title: Re: Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Rhoq on April 29, 2011, 12:06:37 PM
Wow. It's been a very long time since I was last here (nothing personal, I haven't really gamed in at least a year on any of the systems I own - Wii, PS3 or XBox 360). I do keep up on the rumors and news and, yes, Project Cafe has piqued my interest. So for my first post back, I'd like to toss in my guess...

Price: $349.99 (price includes 2 controllers and a packed-in game).
Release Date: April 1, 2012 (Sunday)
Title: Re: Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Caterkiller on April 29, 2011, 02:06:58 PM
Quote from: Mop it up on April 25, 2011, 12:36:22 PM
Does anyone who picked a 2011 date want to revise it?

I would like to, but its cheating! I would now say March 20, 2012
Title: Re: Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 29, 2011, 02:35:38 PM
http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2011/04/25/iwata_on_wii_2/
Quote from: April 24, 2011
In its announcement earlier today, Nintendo stated that it had not included sales of the Wii successor in its earnings forecasts for the current fiscal year, which ends on March 31, 2012. You might have guessed that this means a release for the system after that date. This is the case, Iwata confirmed during the press conference. The Wii 2 will not arrive until after April 2012.

I don't know if that is interpretation or a paraphrasing of a direct quote, but I just thought I would throw that out there.
Title: Re: Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Ceric on April 29, 2011, 02:37:55 PM
Quote from: BlackNMild2k1 on April 29, 2011, 02:35:38 PM
http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2011/04/25/iwata_on_wii_2/ (http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2011/04/25/iwata_on_wii_2/)
Quote from: April 24, 2011
In its announcement earlier today, Nintendo stated that it had not included sales of the Wii successor in its earnings forecasts for the current fiscal year, which ends on March 31, 2012. You might have guessed that this means a release for the system after that date. This is the case, Iwata confirmed during the press conference. The Wii 2 will not arrive until after April 2012.

I don't know if that is interpretation or a paraphrasing of a direct quote, but I just thought I would throw that out there.
I want the actual quote from Iwata before I put full stock in them.  Nintendo is not big about giving anything on date till you have it.
Title: Re: Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Rhoq on April 29, 2011, 03:27:59 PM
Well, it looks like my guess of April 1st isn't going to happen. But it needs to happen before the Fall of 2012. The Wii is running out of steam and needs to be replaced with something bigger and better ASAP.
Title: Re: Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Lithium on April 29, 2011, 03:38:01 PM
i still stand by my guess, most places i've seen reporting that quote all link to the same source (that link) and as Ceric said I'd rather wait until a direct quote.
I dont see it launching anytime outside of 4th quarter so that leaves 2012 or 2011, and i have a hard time believing nintendo would wait that long. If they said that they were going to have games ready to go in a playable state at e3 then that means that any launch games would be pretty far along.

If im wrong though, no big deal i have a pretty big games backlog right now anyways
Title: Re: Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 30, 2011, 01:09:25 AM
Quote from: Caterkiller on April 29, 2011, 02:06:58 PM
Quote from: Mop it up on April 25, 2011, 12:36:22 PM
Does anyone who picked a 2011 date want to revise it?

I would like to, but its cheating! I would now say March 20, 2012

It isn't really cheating because 2011 isn't over yet and it is still possible (but perhaps unlikely) that it will still launch in 2011. Who knows?
Title: Re: Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Ceric on June 08, 2011, 12:30:31 PM
Bump to remind everyone of the game and if they like to put in something new.
Title: Re: Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 08, 2011, 01:13:59 PM
Well, since no date or price were revealed at this year's E3 I think its safe to conclude its not going to be released any sooner than next year's E3. We'll probably get the full details then.
Title: Re: Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 08, 2011, 01:36:32 PM
$299.99|---> <---|$349.99

I'm somewhere inbetween the 2.
My release date stays the same.
Title: Re: Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Shaymin on June 08, 2011, 05:14:00 PM
Not changing the price - still think $249.99 with a packin. They'll make a couple of bucks to start off the hardware and the software sales will make up for it.

However, I'm going with November 18, 2012 as the release date.
Title: Re: Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: kraken613 on June 08, 2011, 08:47:34 PM
November 20th 2012 for $299.99.
Title: Re: Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: ThePerm on June 08, 2011, 09:00:41 PM
Im guessing November 22 2012 at $299.99

The Friday before Black Friday

Wii came out November 19 2006 which was the sunday before black friday

So maybe November 18th if 22nd is wrong

the controller by itself will be $80 that is if its sold separately at all.

I expect 4 screen multi-player to require 3x3DS
Title: Re: Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Sarail on June 08, 2011, 09:06:16 PM
I'm gonna go back on mine now and say September 23, 2012 -- the day before Labor Day. What better of a weekend to launch?! Get it at midnight, and then spend all day Sunday and Monday playing the crap outta the thing. I also would like to change my price now to $349.99 -- with a pack in game that contains those goofy tech demos Battle/Chase Mii.  If they're smart though, they'll pack in that New Super Mario Bros. Mii game. Would make a TON of sense, and would easily cause the thing to fly off store shelves.

I'd also like to suggest it comes packed in with a single Wii Remote, Nunchuk, and Classic Controller Pro, too. That way, NO EXCUSES for devs.
Title: Re: Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: ThePerm on June 08, 2011, 09:14:02 PM
23 is more in line with the n64 launch. Which was released on September 29th.

Wii actually came out in the U.S. first
Title: Re: Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: ThePerm on June 08, 2011, 10:25:59 PM
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/multimedia/display/20110608182737_Wii_U_Will_Cost_More_Than_249_President_of_Nintendo.html
Title: Re: Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Mop it up on June 08, 2011, 10:40:23 PM
All right, put me down as $299.99 officially. It's a bit of a tough guess between that and $349.99, but since the high price of the 3DS hasn't been working out for them, I don't expect them to charge too much for this system.
Title: Re: Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Lithium on June 08, 2011, 11:10:52 PM
oh well looks like my guess was wrong. definately going to be q4 2012, in fact everything in my guess stays the same except for the year
Title: Re: Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 09, 2011, 12:57:34 AM
The console can't be $299.99. The controller alone is going to cost half that much. If its $299.99 that means we would end up with a $150 console. Judging by the specs, I don't think that's going to be the case, and Nintendo isn't going to sell anything for a loss, so...
Title: Re: Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Mop it up on June 09, 2011, 01:01:41 AM
What makes you think the controller itself will cost $150? From what I can tell the 3DS is around $100 to manufacture and it has more components in it than the screen controller.
Title: Re: Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 09, 2011, 01:04:38 AM
Quote from: Mop it up on June 09, 2011, 01:01:41 AM
What makes you think the controller itself will cost $150? From what I can tell the 3DS is around $100 to manufacture and it has more components in it than the screen controller.

Nintendo is selling the 3DS for $150 more than what its worth?
Title: Re: Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Kytim89 on June 09, 2011, 01:06:49 AM
What if there were two SKUs fpr this thing that included the Umote for $349.99 and the second one featured an upgraded Wiimote without the Umote for $299.99. I would be game for this if it were to happen.
Title: Re: Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Mop it up on June 09, 2011, 01:08:51 AM
$150 more than the raw materials and manufacture, yeah. There's still other costs to consider, such as advertising and R&D, but it is at the least $50 overpriced. And since the screen controller probably won't contain much in the way of processors or RAM (if any at all), I can't see the materials of it costing very much.
Title: Re: Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: FZeroBoyo on June 09, 2011, 01:12:30 AM
The Wii was 100 dollars more than the DS when it was released and the DS had had a price drop by that point... So I will say:


$350 on November 18, 2012. You will get the system, a pack-in title (Perhaps the "Wii U Sports" demo), and the tablet controller. In addition to full backwards compatibility with the Wii library and accessories and access to the online system.
Title: Re: Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Mop it up on June 09, 2011, 01:17:19 AM
With the way 3DS sales are going and soon-to-be competition of the aggressively-priced PSPita, I fully expect the 3DS to be down to at least $200 by the time the WiiU launches. Overcharging on the 3DS didn't work out for Nintendo so I don't anticipate they will try that strategy again.
Title: Re: Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 09, 2011, 01:42:26 AM
Quote from: ThePerm on June 08, 2011, 10:25:59 PM
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/multimedia/display/20110608182737_Wii_U_Will_Cost_More_Than_249_President_of_Nintendo.html (http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/multimedia/display/20110608182737_Wii_U_Will_Cost_More_Than_249_President_of_Nintendo.html)
I surprised it took you so long to find this news considering I posted it this morning...
Time to buy those Nintendo Stocks!!! (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34682.msg679106#msg679106)
Quote from: BlackNMild2k1 on June 08, 2011, 02:51:36 PM
Quote
Iwata signaled the WiiU will likely be priced at more than 20,000 yen ($250) in Japan when it goes on sale next year, the Nikkei newspaper reported today, citing an interview with the president. Nintendo is unlikely to sell the new console for the same price as the current Wii, the report cited Iwata as saying.


Also sounds like a $299 price point is what they are aiming for.


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Quote from: Chozo Ghost on June 09, 2011, 12:57:34 AM

The console can't be $299.99. The controller alone is going to cost half that much. If its $299.99 that means we would end up with a $150 console. Judging by the specs, I don't think that's going to be the case, and Nintendo isn't going to sell anything for a loss, so...


You are trippin' if you think that controller will cost $150. $80 tops and that is with Nintendo making around half that in profit. Supposedly a Wiimote cost Nintendo less than $10. This uScreen controller will probably cost no more than $35-$45 tops.

The 3DS is supposedly only costing Nintendo around $150 or so shipped. That's with R&D, packaging and all that factored in already. I wouldn't overestimate the cost of stuff just because of how much we are asked to pay for it. Nintendo didn't make record profits just because they sold alot of hardware and software. They made those record profits partially because they had a HUGE markup on lots of that Hardware that they were selling. They will make plenty on a uScreen with it being priced around $70-$80 each.
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Ceric on June 09, 2011, 10:06:45 AM
Main Post is now Updated (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34112.msg667323#msg667323)
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Ceric on June 09, 2011, 10:10:08 AM
Quote from: Kytim89 on June 09, 2011, 01:06:49 AM
What if there were two SKUs fpr this thing that included the Umote for $349.99 and the second one featured an upgraded Wiimote without the Umote for $299.99. I would be game for this if it were to happen.
Not Happening.  Every Sku will have the uMote.  Though I don't see Nintendo doing Multi-Sku except for maybe a different color and pack-in game.  Like the Hardcore one and the Casual one, MW3 or Wii Sports for a current gen example.

Also do not believe Nintendo will release a controller that it will sell for more than a game.  That's sort of a glass ceiling you don't want to cross for non-super niche controllers.
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Adrock on June 09, 2011, 10:39:30 AM
Considering Nintendo is positioning Skyward Sword as the Wii's last hurrah and has nothing to release afterwards, I'm sticking with my original guess. I really don't think they can afford to launch past June. In fact, they should probably launch earlier but they only need to launch before July 1 to be within Q2.

I assume the screen is the most expensive component of the tablet controller and I would wager it costs like $25-$30 (that may even be too much). All the other parts are relatively cheap. In raw materials, it'd probably come out to $40 tops. If Nintendo were to sell it separately, they could be nice and charge $60 and STILL turn a profit. They'd probably charge $80 to be profit serpents. This is the same Nintendo that could have launched 3DS at $180 like DSi and made about $30 and sold bajillion units.

That said, what I think is going to drive the price upwards of $349.99 are the chipsets Nintendo commissioned from IBM and AMD. Nintendo will absolutely not sell at a loss. Depending on excactly how powerful the hardware is, Nintendo could probably sell for less and literally break even or make a minimal profit (like $11 if that, just to even out the price at $350), but we all know they won't. If they can afford to launch at $299.99, they'll sell it for $50 more. The mental image I have is of Satoru Iwata licking his lips in anticipation of money.
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on June 09, 2011, 10:52:49 AM
Ok I am going to say April 2012, launch price 299.99. It will be bundled with a demo disk of sorts.
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Bman87301 on June 09, 2011, 01:38:53 PM
$249.99 USD, August 12 2012
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: alegoicoe on June 09, 2011, 03:05:59 PM
Personally i think nintendo is aiming at a price between 299.99 and 349.99, since the tech that they are using is not that ground braking by today standards.
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Quadran on June 09, 2011, 03:26:01 PM
I don't think there will be a simultanious world wide release of the new console. So I guess the Wii U will launch in Europe on june 12th, 2012 with a price tag of €299.99.
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Mop it up on June 09, 2011, 07:33:43 PM
Quote from: Adrock on June 09, 2011, 10:39:30 AM
Considering Nintendo is positioning Skyward Sword as the Wii's last hurrah and has nothing to release afterwards, I'm sticking with my original guess. I really don't think they can afford to launch past June. In fact, they should probably launch earlier but they only need to launch before July 1 to be within Q2.
Can they afford to launch before June though? We didn't even see any actual Wii U games at E3 so I have my doubts that they could have any games ready for the first half of next year. The only one we know exists is Pikmin 3 and that alone doesn't seem like it could carry a console launch. Nintendo doesn't seem to have much issue going months without releases since they're not releasing a Wii game of any real substance until 9 months into this year (Kirby in September). Next year, they'll probably release Dragon Quest X in March and consider that enough for 8 months.
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Adrock on June 09, 2011, 08:08:07 PM
Quote from: Mop it up on June 09, 2011, 07:33:43 PM
Can they afford to launch before June though? We didn't even see any actual Wii U games at E3 so I have my doubts that they could have any games ready for the first half of next year. The only one we know exists is Pikmin 3 and that alone doesn't seem like it could carry a console launch. Nintendo doesn't seem to have much issue going months without releases since they're not releasing a Wii game of any real substance until 9 months into this year (Kirby in September). Next year, they'll probably release Dragon Quest X in March and consider that enough for 8 months.
Nintendo made a conscious choice not to show any real WiiU games even from 3rd parties (Vigil Games apparently had Darksiders II running on WiiU hardware but Nintendo insisted on showing PS3 footage), but they're all in the works. All 3rd party games will be ports from PS3/360 and Nintendo should work with 3rd parties to have those games launch simultaneously on WiiU. It would also be wise to negotiate some big name 3rd party games that came out Q4 2011 such as Final Fantasy XIII-2 to be available at launch. There are plenty of devout Nintendo fans who only own a Wii who are itching to play those games.

Nintendo's teams have been especially quiet. Poor planning led to the 1st party drought we've seen this year. I wouldn't say Nintendo has no issues going without a major release because their stocks are taking a beating and sales have slowed down because there's nothing for people to buy. And unlike last year, there were no surprises like Donkey Kong Country Returns. The only known major console game in the works is Skyward Sword. Every other known title is being developed for 3DS while the rest are being developed in secret for WiiU. The average development time for modern games is something like 18-24 months. I wouldn't be surprised if development on several games started over a year ago. So, certainly, I think they could launch in April 2012 if they wanted, but I'm still sticking to that June launch date.
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Mop it up on June 09, 2011, 08:57:05 PM
If they have anything in development then why not show it? This is the kind of thing that needs to have a good demonstration in order to show its capabilities and worth, and they didn't really do it with what little they had.
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Adrock on June 09, 2011, 09:04:27 PM
Why didn't they show Donkey Kong Country Returns before E3 last year? It was released like 6 months later. I'm sure they have their reasons. It's possible that the hardware isn't finalized. It's possible that they're trying to deter Sony and Microsoft from ganking their ideas for as long as they can. Nintendo did have demonstrations of what the controller can do. In some cases, I can see why they didn't show actual games. Nintendo had a Twilight Princess inspired HD Zelda boss fight demo and you could switch from night to day, you could stream the directly to the controller etc. Cool stuff. It looked oh-my-gawd! However, they had a Zelda game to show for the Wii and they want that to be the focus.

I would have liked to have seen some real titles, but with the console launching in like a year, does it even matter at this point? Nintendo showed what the controller can do and I was pretty happy with that. I expect to see more around TGS or if Nintendo holds their own conference etc.
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Mop it up on June 09, 2011, 09:25:41 PM
Then why bother showing it at all if they can't show anything of substance? That's what I don't understand, it felt like Nintendo weren't actually ready to show the system yet since all they had were demos that don't look like they will end up as actual games. But I guess they didn't have much choice, it was going to get leaked eventually by developers (and pretty much did before E3) so I guess Nintendo wanted to make sure they were the ones to officially unveil it. And I s'pose it's also so people know a new system is coming. It doesn't make sense to me, but such is life.

Oh right, this thread is about the release date. Even though I'm sticking with my prediction of November, I hope you're right about June. That way I'd be able to see the games sooner and find out if the system is of any value. June might actually be a good time if they can manage it; they could show off all the games at E3, then say "And it's all in stores next week!"
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Oblivion on June 09, 2011, 09:45:35 PM
Releasing a week after E3 2012 would be so badass.
 
Or it would end up like that one Sega console launch. :P
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Adrock on June 09, 2011, 09:56:34 PM
Quote from: Mop it up on June 09, 2011, 09:25:41 PM
Then why bother showing it at all if they can't show anything of substance? That's what I don't understand, it felt like Nintendo weren't actually ready to show the system yet since all they had were demos that don't look like they will end up as actual games. But I guess they didn't have much choice, it was going to get leaked eventually by developers (and pretty much did before E3) so I guess Nintendo wanted to make sure they were the ones to officially unveil it. And I s'pose it's also so people know a new system is coming. It doesn't make sense to me, but such is life.

Oh right, this thread is about the release date. Even though I'm sticking with my prediction of November, I hope you're right about June. That way I'd be able to see the games sooner and find out if the system is of any value. June might actually be a good time if they can manage it; they could show off all the games at E3, then say "And it's all in stores next week!"
Thinking back to some previous hardware announcements/unveilings, how many of them showed actual games? Gamecube had that demo reel at Spaceworld 2000. None of those were real games, at least not when showed. I don't remember if any of them were playable though I don't believe they were. The only thing I remember of the PS2 unveiling was Sony showing off the CG dance scene from Final Fantasy VIII and claiming that their GPU could produce games that looks anything like that (not even close). PS3 showed CG of Killzone 2 (the final product looked good, but not that good) and a remade intro of Final Fantasy VII.

The WiiU announcement was pretty standard affair. I guess that's why I wasn't upset about it. Sure, it would have been awesome to see some real games, but I wasn't expecting them to.
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Mop it up on June 09, 2011, 10:05:47 PM
I wasn't expecting much either. And I know past systems didn't show much show much either; this was actually more than what they first showed of the Wii, then known as Revolution. I just don't understand the point of it, for any of those systems, but that's just me. I've never been one to buy into hype.
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: ThePerm on June 09, 2011, 11:28:36 PM
i say 80 tops because

the handheld is not a console its a controller with a screen in it, the most expensive component will be the screen, all other components were mass produced to such an extant for other systems that they probably cost no more than a dollar each, so the screen is probably 50 or so dollars for now, but then again Nintendo could get a great deal from their supplier considering they buy 100s of millions of screens. If sold seperately i expect it to sell for 80 dollars with a profit.
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: SixthAngel on June 10, 2011, 01:53:39 AM
Quote from: ThePerm on June 09, 2011, 11:28:36 PM
i say 80 tops because

the handheld is not a console its a controller with a screen in it, the most expensive component will be the screen, all other components were mass produced to such an extant for other systems that they probably cost no more than a dollar each, so the screen is probably 50 or so dollars for now, but then again Nintendo could get a great deal from their supplier considering they buy 100s of millions of screens. If sold seperately i expect it to sell for 80 dollars with a profit.

Nintendo should already have all kinds of connections to get screens thanks to their handhelds so if anyone can get a good deal it should be them.
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 10, 2011, 02:03:04 AM
Quote from: ThePerm on June 09, 2011, 11:28:36 PM
i say 80 tops because

the handheld is not a console its a controller with a screen in it, the most expensive component will be the screen, all other components were mass produced to such an extant for other systems that they probably cost no more than a dollar each, so the screen is probably 50 or so dollars for now, but then again Nintendo could get a great deal from their supplier considering they buy 100s of millions of screens. If sold seperately i expect it to sell for 80 dollars with a profit.

I  would guess no more than $20-$35 per screen at the most.
It think the 3.5" 3D screen was only costing them about $30.
The uSceen is larger and higher res, but it's pretty common in lots of GPS units to have a very similar screen.
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Caliban on June 10, 2011, 02:45:14 PM
$399.99 - November 2012

I would be willing to pay up to $399.99.
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Mop it up on June 10, 2011, 07:38:21 PM
Perhaps a more interesting question would be: How much would you be willing to pay for a Wii U?
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: alegoicoe on June 10, 2011, 08:57:45 PM
i just hope they dont release it next xmas, thats too long, i hope they release it during the first quater 2012
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 10, 2011, 09:00:16 PM
They've pretty much confirmed it won't be Q1. That would be current fiscal year, and they specifically said it wouldn't be coming out this fiscal year.
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 10, 2011, 09:21:14 PM
Nintendo Rep on GT (look in the WiiU thread) said it will come out anywhere between April 1st & December 31st of 2012.
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: alegoicoe on June 10, 2011, 10:36:46 PM
i really think its a mistake to wait such a long time to release the console, between now and december next year, alot of games that could come out on wii u are going to be missed, or people would just play them on ps3 or 360.
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: ThePerm on June 10, 2011, 11:09:19 PM
i would be willing to pay no more than 300, I think 3ds is over priced, and until its price goes down I will try Stack Up machines.
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 11, 2011, 01:04:20 AM
Quote from: Mop it up on June 10, 2011, 07:38:21 PM
Perhaps a more interesting question would be: How much would you be willing to pay for a Wii U?

Well, if it had a better name, built in HDD, and compatibility with more than one Umote at a time I would have been willing to pay up to $350 for it....

But since none of that is the case, I probably wouldn't pay more than $199.
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Oblivion on June 11, 2011, 01:28:32 AM
Quote from: Chozo Ghost on June 11, 2011, 01:04:20 AM
But since none of that is the case, I probably wouldn't pay more than $199.

T_T
 
Who cares if it doesn't have built in HDD? Come on, no one complained about the 4GB 360! And the whole issue with the single uMote may be fixed at a later time; we have over a year before the console release.
 
And seriously? You wouldn't pay more than $200 just because it has a horrible name?
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 11, 2011, 01:40:24 AM
Quote from: Oblivion on June 11, 2011, 01:28:32 AM
Come on, no one complained about the 4GB 360!

The 4gb 360 is $200. Also, its not the only 360 option available. If there was just that and nothing else, people would complain.

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You wouldn't pay more than $200 just because it has a horrible name?

I need to see the specs and I need to get a better idea of what sort of long term software support this thing is going to have. I was a fairly early adopter of the Wii, but the third party support never materialized like it was supposed to, and 1st party support had a lot of room for improvement. I paid $250 for the Wii because I got it back before all the price drops, but I don't think it was worth that price knowing what I know now.

So if the old Wii wasn't worth $250 (in my opinion), then this new Wii is going to have to prove its worth it before I'll buy it. As the saying goes, once bitten twice shy... That said, $199 would be an instant sale for me, but if its anything higher than that then I need to see some proof that its not going to just be collecting dust.
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Oblivion on June 11, 2011, 01:44:55 AM
Quote from: Oblivion on June 11, 2011, 01:28:32 AM
the whole issue with the single uMote may be fixed at a later time; we have over a year before the console release.
Quote from: Oblivion on June 11, 2011, 01:28:32 AM
And seriously? You wouldn't pay more than $200 just because it has a horrible name?
Quote from: Oblivion on June 11, 2011, 01:28:32 AM
And seriously? You wouldn't pay more than $200 just because it has a horrible name?
Quote from: Oblivion on June 11, 2011, 01:28:32 AM
And seriously? You wouldn't pay more than $200 just because it has a horrible name?
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: nickmitch on June 11, 2011, 12:19:25 PM
Nintendo has to launch in the first half of next year otherwise most of the 3rd party ports will be irrelevant. I don't think they can convince the casual market to buy something over $300 either. They're using WiiMotes to lower costs of upgrading, so price has to be a focus, but where the Wii was priced might be too low to make much profit. With that, I'm guessing Q2 and $299.99. Nintendo gives the Wii one last holiday, with a few games for the core market, lets us burn that off for a few months and then hits us with new hardware.
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Sarail on March 07, 2012, 12:36:46 AM
Bumping this up to let some of our newer forum goers take a shot at what they think might be the release date for Nintendo's next console. So... any guesses, new folks?

Mine still stands, by the way. I'm pretty confident about that one -- especially the release date.
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Adrock on March 07, 2012, 08:47:56 AM
I'm pretty confident in the price I predicted especially if Wii U is as powerful as the rumors suggest but there's no way it's launching 3 days after E3. September 30 is a Sunday. That would be a nice blast from the past.
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Nemo on March 20, 2012, 10:56:25 AM
I'm still hoping it comes out in 9 days. ;)
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Ceric on March 20, 2012, 11:06:54 AM
Main post is updated with strikes through the dates.  Like mine.
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Louieturkey on March 20, 2012, 12:28:02 PM
Any chance we can change our date?  Since we now know that the NextBox won't be out this year, I think Nintendo will wait until closer to the holidays.  My new guess is 10/28/12, a couple days before Assassin's Creed 3 is released.
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Ceric on March 20, 2012, 02:36:41 PM
Quote from: Louieturkey on March 20, 2012, 12:28:02 PM
Any chance we can change our date?  Since we now know that the NextBox won't be out this year, I think Nintendo will wait until closer to the holidays.  My new guess is 10/28/12, a couple days before Assassin's Creed 3 is released.
Done but, your old guess is right under so if there is a tie the person who did it in less guesses wins.
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Fatty The Hutt on March 20, 2012, 02:54:42 PM
November 16, 2012 with pack in game, Wii Remote Plus and nunchuk. $279.99 MSRP
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: nickmitch on March 20, 2012, 03:06:49 PM
Well, I think I'll keep my price guess, but clearly my release date needs some adjustment. November is probably the way to go.
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Ceric on March 20, 2012, 03:26:03 PM
Quote from: Fatty_The_Hutt on March 20, 2012, 02:54:42 PM
November 16, 2012 with pack in game, Wii Remote Plus and nunchuk. $279.99 MSRP
Done

Quote from: nickmitch on March 20, 2012, 03:06:49 PM
Well, I think I'll keep my price guess, but clearly my release date needs some adjustment. November is probably the way to go.
Need a date.

Your original date passed so you be behind the people who changed there before it passed.
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Fatty The Hutt on March 20, 2012, 05:38:31 PM
Merci Beaucoup, M. Ceric.
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: TJ Spyke on March 20, 2012, 06:10:45 PM
No chance it comes out before November IMO. I will go with the Sunday before Black Friday (don't feel like looking up the date) for $299.99, maybe with a pack-in game featuring those tech demos from E3.
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Chozo Ghost on March 20, 2012, 06:35:35 PM
Quote from: TJ Spyke on March 20, 2012, 06:10:45 PM
No chance it comes out before November IMO.

Why do you say that? The N64 launched in September and the SNES launched in July or August, so a Nintendo console launching earlier than November is not unprecedented. They aren't going to be facing any competition this year, so they don't need to worry about anyone else stealing the holiday spotlight from them. They could release the console tomorrow, and they would still dominate the holidays. Therefore there is no reason for them to hold back, as long as they have the hardware and software ready. And we know the hardware is finalized, so the only potential issue is the software.
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: nickmitch on March 20, 2012, 06:53:19 PM
Quote from: Ceric on March 20, 2012, 03:26:03 PM
Quote from: nickmitch on March 20, 2012, 03:06:49 PM
Well, I think I'll keep my price guess, but clearly my release date needs some adjustment. November is probably the way to go.
Need a date.

Your original date passed so you be behind the people who changed there before it passed.

Still thinking. There remains a slight chance of it coming out earlier.
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Adrock on March 20, 2012, 07:55:01 PM
Quote from: Chozo Ghost on March 20, 2012, 06:35:35 PM
Quote from: TJ Spyke on March 20, 2012, 06:10:45 PM
No chance it comes out before November IMO.

Why do you say that? The N64 launched in September and the SNES launched in July or August, so a Nintendo console launching earlier than November is not unprecedented. They aren't going to be facing any competition this year, so they don't need to worry about anyone else stealing the holiday spotlight from them. They could release the console tomorrow, and they would still dominate the holidays. Therefore there is no reason for them to hold back, as long as they have the hardware and software ready. And we know the hardware is finalized, so the only potential issue is the software.
This is just conjecture on my part but I think it has something to do with how Nintendo divvies up quarterly profits. For example, N64, like you said, launched in September. I believe it launched on 30th to be exact which is the last day of Q3. That means every single sale on that day counts as Q3 profit. Nintendo delayed N64 a couple times so my guess is that Nintendo pushed the launch back as far as possible without crossing another quarter which ultimately would have screwed up their numbers more than they already were at that point.

Back then, there was a reason to launch in September. Here in 2012, 3DS is actually doing fairly well. It has a steady release schedule and Nintendo probably thinks it can ride that train into Q4 of this year. The earliest we'll probably see Wii U in 10/01/2012 which I know isn't a Sunday but it's the 1st day of the last quarter. We're probably looking at November 11 or 18 as launch day. I wouldn't be opposed to it launching sooner since it would make buying one a lot easier without all of the cutthroat holiday shoppers but the writing is on the wall. All signs point to November.
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Chozo Ghost on March 20, 2012, 08:13:18 PM
Nintendo has a good reason to get the Wii U out on the market as soon as possible. They need as much of a headstart as they can get before the PS420 shows up. Why would they want to delay until the holidays?  The clock is ticking, and the sooner they get it out the more of a headstart they will have.
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: ShyGuy on March 20, 2012, 08:21:30 PM
On the flipside, they probably want the Nintendo network and eShop to be up and running after the 3DS fiasco. Not to mention having a strong launch lineup. I say the pressure is off as far as the next Xbox and PS4 are concerned.

$329.99 in late October or early November.
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 20, 2012, 08:33:11 PM
I want to adjust my price guess to 249.99, and for a secondary release date of October 28th, 2012
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Adrock on March 20, 2012, 08:40:42 PM
Quote from: Chozo Ghost on March 20, 2012, 08:13:18 PM
Why would they want to delay until the holidays?
Companies are expected to have and subsequently project strong Q4 performance. If I had to guess, that would be why. Unlike 1996 with N64, Nintendo didn't delay wii U. They just never announced anything concrete allowing them the luxury of launching without a strict deadline. Launching in the busiest time of year when consumers are more willing to spend money does make sense, especially to investors.
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 20, 2012, 09:20:31 PM
I wanna say sometime in August, but I think I'll really go with 9/16/12 with a price point of somewhere between $299 - $349 so just to get a number on the list.... $329.99
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: marty on March 20, 2012, 09:25:45 PM
Quote from: Adrock on March 20, 2012, 08:40:42 PM
Quote from: Chozo Ghost on March 20, 2012, 08:13:18 PM
Why would they want to delay until the holidays?
Companies are expected to have and subsequently project strong Q4 performance. If I had to guess, that would be why. Unlike 1996 with N64, Nintendo didn't delay wii U. They just never announced anything concrete allowing them the luxury of launching without a strict deadline. Launching in the busiest time of year when consumers are more willing to spend money does make sense, especially to investors.
I'd assume that a holiday launch would ensure that a console doesn't have a reputation (other than brand new thing) going into the shopping season.  A console launched in September would be just as if not more available than a console launching in November, it's just that by December, the console could already be a hit ...or not.
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Spak-Spang on March 20, 2012, 09:46:33 PM
Since Microsoft isn't really a threat...I am going to say:

October and it will include some sort of bundled game, the Wii U tablet and I like the idea of both the Motion+ mote and new accessory the Nunchuk+ will be bundled. 

The WiiU will use the exact same controllers as the Wii, but Nintendo will want to capture some profit on controller purchases so I see a Nunchuk+ added more precision movement with the Nunchuk being added.  I also predict some Wii games may get patches for use with the Nunchuk+. 

Besides that I expect the Wii U to be packaged with a new sensor bar that makes the Motion+ remote even better.

All this will be released at a price of $299.99.  And will be a real bargain.  The free game will be much like Wii Sports, in that it is a simple game focused on showing off the WiiU tablet.  However, it will support 4 player games with the Wiimotes. 

Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: nickmitch on March 20, 2012, 11:22:16 PM
Quote from: Adrock on March 20, 2012, 08:40:42 PM
Quote from: Chozo Ghost on March 20, 2012, 08:13:18 PM
Why would they want to delay until the holidays?
Companies are expected to have and subsequently project strong Q4 performance. If I had to guess, that would be why. Unlike 1996 with N64, Nintendo didn't delay wii U. They just never announced anything concrete allowing them the luxury of launching without a strict deadline. Launching in the busiest time of year when consumers are more willing to spend money does make sense, especially to investors.

There's also the opportunity for forced scarcity. Basically, you launch a new product in a high sales period and say, "We just can't keep up!" That would generally keep you in the media (free press) and make you a "must own." Basically what happened with the Wii, only on purpose. This however often doesn't work in electronics (see PS3).

Personally, I'm liking the idea of an August/September launch. Might be a little soon after E3, where all the beans would have to be spilled in an un-Nintendo fashion as someone mentioned earlier. But Nintendo would probably want to get production going early if everything else (eShop, games) was ready, unless they just decided to stockpile Wii Us which probably wouldn't be very smart. Plus, if the Wii U sells like the Wii, with mostly word of mouth/trying it at a friend's, then launching around then would actually let them maximize 4th quarter sales, provided that was enough time.
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Chozo Ghost on March 21, 2012, 12:54:32 AM
Quote from: Adrock on March 20, 2012, 08:40:42 PM
Quote from: Chozo Ghost on March 20, 2012, 08:13:18 PM
Why would they want to delay until the holidays?
Companies are expected to have and subsequently project strong Q4 performance. If I had to guess, that would be why. Unlike 1996 with N64, Nintendo didn't delay wii U. They just never announced anything concrete allowing them the luxury of launching without a strict deadline. Launching in the busiest time of year when consumers are more willing to spend money does make sense, especially to investors.

I think you're missing my point. They have the holiday season ENTIRELY to themselves, so the holiday sales are going to be great regardless of when they release it. And let's face it, the thing is probably going to be sold out continuously for months if not a year or two just like the first Wii was.

Nintendo doesn't lose any holiday sales by releasing it earlier. They still get as much holiday sales, plus extra. But if they release in the holidays then they just get the holiday sales and nothing else. Do you see what I'm saying?
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Adrock on March 21, 2012, 03:39:02 AM
Quote from: Chozo Ghost on March 21, 2012, 12:54:32 AM
I think you're missing my point. They have the holiday season ENTIRELY to themselves, so the holiday sales are going to be great regardless of when they release it. And let's face it, the thing is probably going to be sold out continuously for months if not a year or two just like the first Wii was.
How so? Nintendo doesn't have the holiday season to themselves. PS3 and 360 still exist. Sony and Microsoft will have no shortages and all of the 3rd party games, not just the ones 3rd parties felt like porting over. Tomb Raider, for example, is already confirmed to not be coming to Wii U.
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Nintendo doesn't lose any holiday sales by releasing it earlier. They still get as much holiday sales, plus extra. But if they release in the holidays then they just get the holiday sales and nothing else. Do you see what I'm saying?
I don't understand what you mean by "plus extra." Nintendo is going to have a finite amount of units available which bound to sell out by the end of the year. Launching earlier just dilutes those sales over the course of a few extra months. For example, let's say Nintendo has X million units available. They can only sell X million units. They either sell X million units from say September to December or X million units from November to December. If Wii U sells out either way, why wouldn't Nintendo just launch during the holidays when the attach rate on games and accessories are higher because, as previously stated, it's the season when people are far more willing to spend more money? Nintendo increases profits and investors are happy. Personally, I'd love to get it sooner because you know, "Shut up and take my money" but from a business perspective, it make sense to launch in November.

So, to steer this back on topic, I'll change my date guess to November 11, 2012. I'm sticking with my original guess for the price.
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Spak-Spang on March 21, 2012, 03:54:43 AM
Quote from: Adrock on March 21, 2012, 03:39:02 AM
Quote from: Chozo Ghost on March 21, 2012, 12:54:32 AM
I think you're missing my point. They have the holiday season ENTIRELY to themselves, so the holiday sales are going to be great regardless of when they release it. And let's face it, the thing is probably going to be sold out continuously for months if not a year or two just like the first Wii was.
How so? Nintendo doesn't have the holiday season to themselves. PS3 and 360 still exist. Sony and Microsoft will have no shortages and all of the 3rd party games, not just the ones 3rd parties felt like porting over. Tomb Raider, for example, is already confirmed to not be coming to Wii U.
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Nintendo doesn't lose any holiday sales by releasing it earlier. They still get as much holiday sales, plus extra. But if they release in the holidays then they just get the holiday sales and nothing else. Do you see what I'm saying?
I don't understand what you mean by "plus extra." Nintendo is going to have a finite amount of units available which bound to sell out by the end of the year. Launching earlier just dilutes those sales over the course of a few extra months. For example, let's say Nintendo has X million units available. They can only sell X million units. They either sell X million units from say September to December or X million units from November to December. If Wii U sells out either way, why wouldn't Nintendo just launch during the holidays when the attach rate on games and accessories are higher because, as previously stated, it's the season when people are far more willing to spend more money? Nintendo increases profits and investors are happy. Personally, I'd love to get it sooner because you know, "Shut up and take my money" but from a business perspective, it make sense to launch in November.

So, to steer this back on topic, I'll change my date guess to November 11, 2012. I'm sticking with my original guess for the price.

I think what he is saying is that the Wii U will be the hot item for the Christmas season.  It is going to have the most excitement and even with the 360 and PS3 out...the energy around a console launch is always large and new shiny console games are going to be big profit for 3rd party and of course Nintendo.  So, Nintendo doesn't have to worry about trying to release right at holiday season to keep the energy and hype for holiday season...it is going to exist because of lack of competition.

The Plus More means...that if Nintendo has the system on the market longer, it should have the holiday season launch of November numbers...plus whatever sold in October, September and August.  And if Nintendo launched say late September or early September...they should be able to have an initial stock sell out, and still have more than enough units ready for Holiday season.  In fact, if consumers believe this item will be hard to find for Christmas, they may start buying it early...so it is like an extended holiday season. 

Launching early has no negatives for Nintendo, as along as software is ready.  If Nintendo can have 5-6 great games prepared for launch in September then they should launch in September...specially if it means that by November they will have many more 3rd party launch titles ready to go for holiday season. 

Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Kairon on March 21, 2012, 04:01:48 AM
I think Chozo is saying that, assuming that supply isn't severely constrained, it could be advantageous to have two "bumps" to the advertising campaign/story of the Wii U launch. If the Wii U launches early enough to avoid being lumped into the Holiday shopping season, then at launch it'll be a PR and marketting story about early adopters and new technology. Then, because of the early launch, there's the opportunity that word of mouth from those early adopters can build up hype and excitement for the product, and by the time Black Friday rolls around the general public will now be even more aware of the product, and have a more robust software library to choose from since they benefit from the full extent of the launch window, instead of just launch date.

Of course, as you point out Adrock, that's ASSUMING that games are ready to release, and Nintendo can even manufacture enough hardware. That's really the limiting factor: a September Launch or October Launch may sound great from a marketting perspective, but if the hardware and games aren't ready then it's impossible to launch earlier no matter how cool that would be.
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Chozo Ghost on March 21, 2012, 04:47:14 AM
Quote from: Adrock on March 21, 2012, 03:39:02 AM
How so? Nintendo doesn't have the holiday season to themselves. PS3 and 360 still exist. Sony and Microsoft will have no shortages and all of the 3rd party games, not just the ones 3rd parties felt like porting over. Tomb Raider, for example, is already confirmed to not be coming to Wii U.

Those are 7th generation consoles. The Wii U has at least a year and possibly 2 years as the sole 8th generation console on the block. Isn't it better for Nintendo to move as many hardware units as quickly as possible so they can entrench themselves before that competition does appear? Even if they wait until the holidays they will still have a headstart, but why should they hold back? If its just to appease investors by meeting with some quarterly time schedule that's stupid. That would hurt them in the long term, even if it does make investors happier in the short term.

Quote from: Adrock on March 21, 2012, 03:39:02 AM
I don't understand what you mean by "plus extra." Nintendo is going to have a finite amount of units available which bound to sell out by the end of the year. Launching earlier just dilutes those sales over the course of a few extra months. For example, let's say Nintendo has X million units available. They can only sell X million units. They either sell X million units from say September to December or X million units from November to December. If Wii U sells out either way, why wouldn't Nintendo just launch during the holidays when the attach rate on games and accessories are higher because, as previously stated, it's the season when people are far more willing to spend more money? Nintendo increases profits and investors are happy. Personally, I'd love to get it sooner because you know, "Shut up and take my money" but from a business perspective, it make sense to launch in November.

I get what you are saying. But one advantage they have by releasing months ahead of the holidays is that allows them to gauge the market demand and plan their affairs accordingly. If demand is extremely high and if they have months of early warning of this before the holidays then there should be time to open up additional production lines to speed up manufacturing. Releasing months ahead of the holidays should actually help improve holiday performance because they will know what they are dealing with and they have a few months to respond.

Plus as someone else pointed out, it may be in their interest to release early and then hold back the supply to a trickle to keep the hype and whatnot ramped up, and then when the holidays roll out they can release all that supply they've been holding back and have massive sales.
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Adrock on March 21, 2012, 08:19:59 AM
Quote from: Spak-Spang on March 21, 2012, 03:54:43 AM
The Plus More means...that if Nintendo has the system on the market longer, it should have the holiday season launch of November numbers...plus whatever sold in October, September and August.  And if Nintendo launched say late September or early September...they should be able to have an initial stock sell out, and still have more than enough units ready for Holiday season.  In fact, if consumers believe this item will be hard to find for Christmas, they may start buying it early...so it is like an extended holiday season.
That's not really how that works. Consoles, like all electronics, are manufactured on a production schedule which takes months to alter due to signing new contracts, ordering new parts, finding new factories etc. Even if Nintendo launched a few months before November, Nintendo doesn't have more units to sell. Additional units won't be available until next year.
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Launching early has no negatives for Nintendo...
There is a negative. Launching earlier reduces the number of available units in a highly competitive season when people want to spend money. That means lower profits for Nintendo caused by lower attach rates among other things. When Nintendo launches could be the difference between me with a low attach rate getting one and a dad with spoiled kids with a high attach rate getting one. Multiply that a few hundred thousand times and Nintendo's earnings for that quarter are greatly affected.
Quote from: Chozo Ghost on March 21, 2012, 04:47:14 AM
If its just to appease investors by meeting with some quarterly time schedule that's stupid. That would hurt them in the long term, even if it does make investors happier in the short term.
Stupid or not, that's why Nintendo is doing it. I'm not condemning or supporting that choice; I was just answering your question a few posts up. It is what it is. As a consumer, again "Shut up and take my money." At the same time, I understand that Nintendo does have a responsibility to appease investors to a certain degree since, after all, investors are putting far more money into a company I love than I ever will. I'm taking a neutral stance.
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Plus as someone else pointed out, it may be in their interest to release early and then hold back the supply to a trickle to keep the hype and whatnot ramped up, and then when the holidays roll out they can release all that supply they've been holding back and have massive sales.
That's certainly a possibility but remember, any units sold before the holiday season is potentially lost revenue from lower attach rates. "Potenially" being the operative word here. Going all out during the holiday season is a proven tactic. That may not be the only way but history has shown that it works so I can see why Nintendo would do that.
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Hyawatta on March 21, 2012, 10:25:26 AM
HD Consoles Price Comparison
 
PS3 160GB w/Controller, Game, Blu-ray Movie = $250
PS3 320GB w/Controller, Game = $300
PS3 320GB w/Controller, Game, PSMove = $350
 
Xbox360 4GB w/Controller = $200
Xbox360 4GB w/Controller, Game, Kinect = $300
Xbox360 250GB w/Controller, 2 Games = $300
Xbox360 250GB w/Controller, 2 Games, Kinect = $400
Xbox360 320GB w/2 Controllers, Game = $400
 
Wii U 8GB (Flash) w/Controller = $300
Wii U 8GB (Flash) w/Controller, Game = $350
 
It looks like Nintendo will be bypassing much of the cost by not including a hard drive. If they build games into the console like they did with the 3DS, then they might not even have to include a separate pack-in game.
 
 
Quote from: Bonampak
They will probably include Wii Sports U with the console.
 
Wii Sports was basically the game that made a ton of people buy a Wii in the first place. It would be foolish not to include a sequel for the Wii U.
 
You have a really good point. The NES had Super Mario Bros. packed in and it did very well. The SNES has Super Mario World packed in and it did well. The N64 did not have Super Mario 64 packed in and it did not do as well. The GCN did not have a pack in game and it did even worse. The Wii has Wii Sports packed in and it did extremely well. Even the portable systems don’t do very well until they start to get games packed in with them. It seems that it would be worth upping the price of the Wii U from $300 to $350 to have a game packed in. 11/18/2012 seems to be the most likely release date as well.
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Chozo Ghost on March 21, 2012, 06:04:55 PM
Quote from: Adrock on March 21, 2012, 08:19:59 AM
Stupid or not, that's why Nintendo is doing it. I'm not condemning or supporting that choice; I was just answering your question a few posts up. It is what it is. As a consumer, again "Shut up and take my money." At the same time, I understand that Nintendo does have a responsibility to appease investors to a certain degree since, after all, investors are putting far more money into a company I love than I ever will. I'm taking a neutral stance.

Nintendo should do what's best for Nintendo and if that means giving the finger to investors from time to time, so be it. The investors should just be along for the ride. If Nintendo does well they can profit from it by being on board, but they should just be passengers and not act like they are the captain. The policy decisions and strategies should be solely in Nintendo's hands. That is what has made Nintendo great.

Let's not forget these same investors have also demanded Nintendo abandon their handhelds and support mobile platforms instead. If Nintendo listened to them it would have resulted in nothing but ruin for the company. Let's also remember that after E3 2011 when the Wii U was announced Nintendo's stock plummeted to levels not seen since 2006. These retard investors are fickle and don't know any better. Nintendo should not take their opinions into account in any way. Listening to them would be just as bad if not worse than listening to Michael Pachter's advice.
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: NWR_insanolord on March 21, 2012, 06:10:52 PM
Nintendo ignores a lot of the things the investors tell them, but they have to throw them a bone once in a while. It's not good business practice to piss off your shareholders without a good reason.
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Chozo Ghost on March 21, 2012, 06:20:57 PM
Quote from: NWR_insanolord on March 21, 2012, 06:10:52 PM
Nintendo ignores a lot of the things the investors tell them, but they have to throw them a bone once in a while. It's not good business practice to piss off your shareholders without a good reason.

Its also not a good business practice to not strike while the iron is hot. Nintendo has the first 8th generation console, so they should capitalize on that advantage by launching it as early as possible. It is in the long term interests of the investors that the Wii U succeeds. Nintendo shouldn't dilly dally or assume they've already won, because that's far from certain.

We don't even know that this even would piss off investors. That was something Adrock suggested. For all we know, maybe the investors (or at least some of them) would want Nintendo to launch it earlier.
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Louieturkey on March 21, 2012, 06:35:33 PM
A two month difference in head start (whether 12 months or 14 months) will not make any difference in the long run.  If the games are ready and they think they can get a great attach rate at launch, they will launch earlier.  If not, they will launch as close to the holiday season as possible so they can get that attach rate up as much as possible.
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Chozo Ghost on March 21, 2012, 06:42:09 PM
The difference could be more than two months. The only thing we know right now for sure is that the Wii U won't launch before April, because that's when the 2012 fiscal year begins and Nintendo said it wouldn't be launched before that. Any time after April is possible, but it is very unlikely to be before E3. So it could be any time from mid-June onwards. What if it did launch in mid or late June immediately after E3?

This would give Nintendo 5 months or so, during which time they can start new production lines if necessary. I know it takes awhile to start up new production, but 5 months should be ample time for that.
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: NWR_insanolord on March 21, 2012, 06:45:09 PM
Nintendo struck when the iron was hot with the 3DS. How well did that work out for them? It's not as simple as being out earlier = better. There are a lot of factors involved, which people in this thread have pointed out to you.
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Adrock on March 21, 2012, 06:51:32 PM
Quote from: Chozo Ghost on March 21, 2012, 06:42:09 PM
What if it did launch in mid or late June immediately after E3?
Then my original guess would have been correct and I just changed it this morning meaning I wouldn't win this thread. That would kind of suck balls. I was going to press my luck and try the lottery next.
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Chozo Ghost on March 21, 2012, 06:51:49 PM
Quote from: NWR_insanolord on March 21, 2012, 06:45:09 PM
Nintendo struck when the iron was hot with the 3DS. How well did that work out for them? It's not as simple as being out earlier = better. There are a lot of factors involved, which people in this thread have pointed out to you.

I would argue launching early is what saved the 3DS in the holidays of 2011, because it gave Nintendo ample time to see the demand wasn't there at the $250 price tag and so they had time to cut the price. If Nintendo had waited on the 3DS until the holidays it would have been a disaster, because it would have been poorly received and there would be no time for the price cut. Launching early gave Nintendo a margin of error and room to maneuver.

We don't know what the situation with the Wii U will be yet, but isn't it better if Nintendo gave that some margin of error as well? Waiting until the last minute gives Nintendo no time to change anything, so if the Wii U flops it will flop during the worst possible time of year. If its going to flop at all its better to happen earlier while changes can be made and the holidays can still be salvaged.
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Louieturkey on March 21, 2012, 06:58:09 PM
Except if no games are ready for it in the summer, then it'll flop anyways.  Really the launch depends on software more than hardware.
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Chozo Ghost on March 21, 2012, 07:35:31 PM
Software is the big unknown. We can infer a lot about the hardware from the rumors and so on, but software is less understood and probably will remain that way until E3. I would think there would be a good chunk of 3rd party support available if nothing else from PS360 ports which could be slapped together in a short time. On the 1st party front, I'm sure at least Pikmin 3 would be ready because its been in development for so long. Anything else we can really only speculate at this point.
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: nickmitch on March 21, 2012, 07:46:10 PM
Quote from: Chozo Ghost on March 21, 2012, 06:20:57 PM
Quote from: NWR_insanolord on March 21, 2012, 06:10:52 PM
Nintendo ignores a lot of the things the investors tell them, but they have to throw them a bone once in a while. It's not good business practice to piss off your shareholders without a good reason.

Its also not a good business practice to not strike while the iron is hot. Nintendo has the first 8th generation console, so they should capitalize on that advantage by launching it as early as possible. It is in the long term interests of the investors that the Wii U succeeds. Nintendo shouldn't dilly dally or assume they've already won, because that's far from certain.

We don't even know that this even would piss off investors. That was something Adrock suggested. For all we know, maybe the investors (or at least some of them) would want Nintendo to launch it earlier.

I think after the 3DS launch, which was largely motivated by shareholder desires, Iwata has earned some credit. He followed what they wanted and that hurt the company big time. Fans had to be appeased, margins had to slashed and losses had to be taken. This time, it's already obvious that Nintendo isn't gonna try and make back its R&D in this fiscal year which tells me that Iwata has essentially told investors, "Sit back, I got this."
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: NWR_insanolord on March 21, 2012, 08:20:52 PM
Quote from: Chozo Ghost on March 21, 2012, 06:51:49 PM
Quote from: NWR_insanolord on March 21, 2012, 06:45:09 PM
Nintendo struck when the iron was hot with the 3DS. How well did that work out for them? It's not as simple as being out earlier = better. There are a lot of factors involved, which people in this thread have pointed out to you.

I would argue launching early is what saved the 3DS in the holidays of 2011, because it gave Nintendo ample time to see the demand wasn't there at the $250 price tag and so they had time to cut the price. If Nintendo had waited on the 3DS until the holidays it would have been a disaster, because it would have been poorly received and there would be no time for the price cut. Launching early gave Nintendo a margin of error and room to maneuver.

We don't know what the situation with the Wii U will be yet, but isn't it better if Nintendo gave that some margin of error as well? Waiting until the last minute gives Nintendo no time to change anything, so if the Wii U flops it will flop during the worst possible time of year. If its going to flop at all its better to happen earlier while changes can be made and the holidays can still be salvaged.

There would have been a lot more demand at $250 if there were more games, which there would have been if they'd waited until later to launch. They would have done well during the holidays regardless of price, and if they still needed to cut the price, and if they did it would probably be to a lesser degree, they could wait until after they'd sold a ton in November-December to do so. If they're taking a slight loss at $170 right now, with all that momentum behind it from the holidays they could probably cut it to $200, where they'd still have some profit, for a significant bump before the end of the fiscal year.

And you don't make plans with the assumption that you'll need to make a major change in your MO that quickly. If Nintendo plans it right, which they have to have confidence that they did, a November launch makes more sense. Launching early despite that in case you need to adjust is a sign of weakness to your shareholders, your competitors and the public.
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Spak-Spang on March 22, 2012, 03:37:37 AM
As I said at launch all Nintendo really needs is 5-6 games with third parties.  The 3DS launch lineup was pretty good actually...it was the drought after and the large price tag which was not in Nintendo's favor. 

And yes, even 2-3 months can make a difference.  How?  If I buy a Wii U that means I am not buying the competitions games and software...I have something else to play...and it means when I get more disposable money say around a holiday time, I will most likely buy Wii U stuff again not the other systems.  So if Nintendo could launch 3 months before that November 18-ish date they usually launch at.  That means Nintendo could more gamers money tied up in Nintendo for 3 more months then in other systems.  It means 3rd parties might have more purchases as well...it means that gamers have 3 to save money again for holiday spending. 

And yes, it means that probably Nintendo can get additional shipments out and ready for a secondary push for the holiday season...and yes, I know manufacturing can't be rushed...but once these things start rolling out, Nintendo isn't going to be stopping manufacturing them for awhile.  So Nintendo can hold stock back to build up enough for holiday season...and still trickle new units to stores in those months leading up to it as well.   

I really don't understand that argument that it isn't good to release early.  It is BEST to release a product as early as you can...once it is ready.  And I know that also includes the games being ready.  All Nintendo really needs is one or two killer first party apps ready early mid August with some descent 3rd party games and they are gold. 

Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Louieturkey on March 22, 2012, 01:04:39 PM
Wait, you said first that Nintendo needs 5-6 first party games, then at the end, they only need 1-2 killer first party games.  So which is it?

With no new generation competition this year, Nintendo will take their time and launch the system right.  Just because some fans of Nintendo think rushing the system out as soon as possible is the right move doesn't make it the right move.  Nintendo has learned from the 3DS launch.  They will take their time.
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Caterkiller on March 22, 2012, 01:46:30 PM
Quote from: Louieturkey on March 22, 2012, 01:04:39 PM
Wait, you said first that Nintendo needs 5-6 first party games, then at the end, they only need 1-2 killer first party games.  So which is it?

With no new generation competition this year, Nintendo will take their time and launch the system right.  Just because some fans of Nintendo think rushing the system out as soon as possible is the right move doesn't make it the right move.  Nintendo has learned from the 3DS launch.  They will take their time.

5-6 games with 1 or 2 being that MUST have title.
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Kairon on March 22, 2012, 02:38:19 PM
The latest rumors are that Nintendo is aiming for 4 first-party games in Launch window right? And that they're hoping that putting a lot of software out on the market will increase sales and offset low or negative margins on the console hardware? I know it's not 5-6 1st party titles Spak, but it still sounds aggressive coupled with a hopefully robust third-party selection.
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Ceric on March 22, 2012, 03:26:16 PM
I think the Wii U would be better launched in September.  If Nintendo believes that as well they probably have a production schedule that ramps up for November deliveries near there first year production capabilities.

Lets not forget that some of the 3rd party games that are promised for launch, like Batman, are losing there shelve life as we speak.  For them to be a major pull they need to drop outside of the Holiday window when the new hotness will be dropping.
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Spak-Spang on March 22, 2012, 07:20:23 PM
Yes, I meant 1 or 2 games that you had to have.  Basically the Super Mario 64, the Halo, the Wii Sports, the game that you MUST be the system for.

And then 3-4 other games.  Heck my original statement said just 5-6 games...including 3rd party at initial day 1 launch as long as they had that must own title and next month there would be a continual stream of games. 

I also think the 3rd party support which is bringing a lot of ports out would prefer an earlier launch it would be better for their ports to launch in September away from the holiday big new games for PS3 and Xbox360.  In fact with all the potential ports for the WiiU...it would be better to launch earlier and let them have a chance of success so that developer don't cry when a year old game doesn't sell on the system.

Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Mop it up on March 22, 2012, 07:48:53 PM
Can I make my price point conditional? With what I've been hearing about the specs of the Wii U, I'm not so sure about my guess of $299.99 anymore. However, I think if Nintendo charge $349.99, they will pack in some game to justify the higher price (like how they tossed in Wii Sports to justify the $50 raise in the Wii over previous systems). So...

$299.99 for just a system
-or-
$349.99 if it comes with a game/extras
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Ceric on March 23, 2012, 09:39:39 AM
This weekend I'm going to update the main post.  It takes longer then it should ><
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Kwolf on March 23, 2012, 10:47:53 AM
I'm really late to this thread so not sure my guess should really count.  Coming in so late.    Still seems like it would be fun to at least throw in a guess.  Going to go with 299$ price.  Even though I think they might try to go a bit higher, I think the 3ds scared them a bit.  My date guess is November 16th 2012 .   I went with a Friday even though it's a bit unnintendo. Seems like a fun date to guess anyway.


Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Louieturkey on March 23, 2012, 02:43:12 PM
Quote from: Spak-Spang on March 22, 2012, 07:20:23 PM
Yes, I meant 1 or 2 games that you had to have.  Basically the Super Mario 64, the Halo, the Wii Sports, the game that you MUST be the system for.

And then 3-4 other games.  Heck my original statement said just 5-6 games...including 3rd party at initial day 1 launch as long as they had that must own title and next month there would be a continual stream of games. 

I also think the 3rd party support which is bringing a lot of ports out would prefer an earlier launch it would be better for their ports to launch in September away from the holiday big new games for PS3 and Xbox360.  In fact with all the potential ports for the WiiU...it would be better to launch earlier and let them have a chance of success so that developer don't cry when a year old game doesn't sell on the system.


Except it sounds like Nintendo may lose money on the system, so they will want to have as high an attach rate as they possibly can.  That means at least 15-20 games available at launch.  That means not the N64 with Mario 64 and Pilotwings being the only games available.  If you wait a little and launch at or around holiday time, the attach rate will be much more to their liking.
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: whitewater moose on March 25, 2012, 07:28:18 PM
I think it would be smart for Nintendo to launch in the US in early September and stagger the Japan and Europe release thirty and sixty days out.  It should hopefully ease the supply chain.  Nintendo had a problem with the supply chain with the worldwide release of the Wii. 


The other reason it would be smart is it will allow Nintendo to launch with 8 to 10 games and stagger releases thereafter September thru December.  It would be good will with the third party developers.  Releasing 15 to 19 games at launch would be awesome.  But you will run into one big problem.  The smaller third party games will get eaten alive.  For example if Nintendo launches with 2 or 3 Nintendo developed games like Pikmin, Retro's games, and Super Mario Mii, Assassins Creed 3, Darksiders 2, COD Black Ops 2 (or whatever it's called), Ghost Recon, and smaller.


You know Ghost Recon  and Darksiders 2 will get eaten alive by COD, Nintendo, and Assassins Creed 3 if released at the same time.  This allows the smaller releases, a better chance to sell their products. 


Release in September with 8 to 10 games.  Maybe it's Pikmin, Wii Sports 2, Darksiders 2, Ghost Recon, EA Sports game (Madden or Fifa), Batman Arkham City, and a kids games.  Then starting every week or two after they can release games with the natural release dates.  Assassins Creed 3 at the end of October for example.  This would make the most sense to me and maximize game sales. 


This allows early adopters to purchase the systems early and will free up system availability by the holiday season in November and December. 
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Kairon on March 25, 2012, 07:46:14 PM
Yeah, I'm speculating that if Nintendo can launch earlier with a significant amount of time before Black Friday, they might benefit via a higher attach rate. You have to give early adopters time to play their launch games, and then maybe a month later they'll be tempted to come back to double dip for Black Friday sales or for Christmas.
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: whitewater moose on March 25, 2012, 09:50:37 PM
Quote from: Kairon on March 25, 2012, 07:46:14 PM
Yeah, I'm speculating that if Nintendo can launch earlier with a significant amount of time before Black Friday, they might benefit via a higher attach rate. You have to give early adopters time to play their launch games, and then maybe a month later they'll be tempted to come back to double dip for Black Friday sales or for Christmas.


I agree with you.  Not to sound like a broken record.  But I think it also leads to higher sales of older ports that are coming from PS3/360 like Batman, and Darksiders.  I am waiting to play these games until Wii U launches.  But if they launch against a slew of new games like AC3, COD (rumored), RE6 (rumored), MoH (rumored), I don't think most of us will play Batman or Darksiders.  Nor will many of us give Killer Freaks or Ghost Recon a chance. 


I think that price ($299 to $349?) and release date are just as important as launch lineup.  Cause we know Nintendo will deliver first party stuff, and I think we all assume at this point, the big releases that are third party Xbox 360 and PS3 are mostly coming to Wii U as well.  COD, MoH, GTA5, Madden, Fifa, TW, NBA 2k, Epic Mickey 2, Mass Effect 3, Dead Space 3, etc.


Reggie said we wouldn't be waiting until E3.  Hopefully we start hearing things soon.
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Chozo Ghost on March 26, 2012, 11:18:13 PM
$249 -$399 is the price range I consider possible. I'm sure it will be anywhere within that range. But $299-$349 is most likely. I still stand with my $329.99 prediction because that's about the exact center of the range I consider likely.
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: TJ Spyke on March 26, 2012, 11:23:30 PM
That sounds about right, I can't see any chance of Nintendo charging more than $400 for a system. Not even Microsoft has done that (they might have with one of their 360 Elite bundles).
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Spak-Spang on March 26, 2012, 11:30:51 PM
LouieTurkey:  Actually launching with a smaller number of 3rd party games will be better if Nintendo is losing money on the system.  The reason is then players will definitely buy the Nintendo games.  Nintendo systems usually do not launch with more than 2-3 first party games. 

So if Nintendo gets a strong attach rate of 3-4 and 2 of those games are Nintendo's they get a better return for that lose than if Nintendo releases the system with 15 third party games and gamers buy 3-4 games with the system and only 1 is Nintendo's.

Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: TJ Spyke on March 26, 2012, 11:41:10 PM
Quote from: Spak-Spang on March 26, 2012, 11:30:51 PM
Nintendo systems usually do not launch with more than 2-3 first party games. 

Other than the NES, Nintendo has never launched a console with more than 2 first party games. I would expect this to continue with Wii U.

More launch games has pros and cons. Nintendo makes more anytime a game on their system sells whether first party or third party, though obviously they make more money with first party. You also want to make sure you don't have a drought right after launch, so maybe have some games come out after launch (like how Pikmin and Super Smash Bros. Melee came out within a month of the GameCube launch in North America).
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Adrock on March 26, 2012, 11:50:47 PM
I really don't think Nintendo is going to have many issues with 1st party title attach rate. They're the main reason people buy Nintendo consoles.
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Louieturkey on March 28, 2012, 06:35:30 PM
Quote from: Adrock on March 26, 2012, 11:50:47 PM
I really don't think Nintendo is going to have many issues with 1st party title attach rate. They're the main reason people buy Nintendo consoles.
This. 

It doesn't matter how many 3rd party games are available.  Nintendo games will sell regardless.  Having more games at launch is always better than having less.  Plus, the higher the attach rate for the system, the better the bragging in the press release about the system.
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Spak-Spang on March 29, 2012, 01:10:02 AM
Yes Nintendo games will always sell.  But the markets are pretty broad now.  And if I am an Xbox type gamer.  I may pick up a third party game instead of that second first party game.  Remember there is limited money people can spend on a new console at launch because of the initial cost.

If you are saying Nintendo NEEDS to sell games to make up that loss, it is best for them to sell Nintendo games...and therefore make it up in the game sells.  Too many 3rd party games WILL water down which Nintendo games are bought.  Most people only buy 2 games with the launch of a new system.

Personally, I don't believe that is a problem.  I see Nintendo not needed to worry, because Nintendo will have sells from their own games, people buying new controllers, and people buying protection for their systems...people buying virtual console games, and other download games...ect, ect...

Selling at a lose will not be a problem for Nintendo at all.
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: TJ Spyke on March 29, 2012, 01:17:29 AM
Don't forget that many Nintendo games tend to have long lifespans, so even if someone doesn't buy it right away they might later (some games fail to do this, but not all). I am sure they would love to have third parties to great at launch so it would encourage more third party releases.
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: NWR_insanolord on March 29, 2012, 01:19:37 AM
It's not about first party or third party, it's about experiences you can only get on the Wii U. A third party exclusive is good to have, while a port of a game coming to the 360 and PS3 as well doesn't help as much. Having Assassin's Creed 3 is nice, but it won't sell systems. Something like UbiSoft's Killer Freaks from Outer Space, though, is something you can only play on Wii U. It certainly doesn't hurt to get ports, but nobody's buying a Wii U to be able to play them outside the die-hard Nintendo loyalist crowd, and Nintendo's got their money regardless.
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Stogi on March 29, 2012, 01:21:17 AM
But Nintendo has never sold at a loss and as a result has never ever once been in the red (since the NES), even when their systems have flopped (Virtual Boy). They are sitting on McDuck's gold coin pond, but that's only with being conservative with their bigger risks. I don't see them giving that philosophy up, even if the profit margin is a penny.
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: NWR_insanolord on March 29, 2012, 01:27:38 AM
They're selling the 3DS at a loss right now, and they've already announced they're going to be in the red for the fiscal year that's about to end.
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Louieturkey on March 29, 2012, 04:10:00 AM
I also remember hearing that when the Gamecube launched they were selling it at a loss for at least 6 months.
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: TJ Spyke on March 29, 2012, 04:13:54 AM
Nope, they were profiting from gameCube right from launch. Remember that they also cut the GameCube's price just a few months after launch, which would have made it even harder to profit.
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Chozo Ghost on March 29, 2012, 04:48:18 AM
Quote from: NWR_insanolord on March 29, 2012, 01:19:37 AM
A third party exclusive is good to have, while a port of a game coming to the 360 and PS3 as well doesn't help as much.

It isn't so much that those ports help, but that it hurts when they aren't there. If they are there people won't take much notice of them and take them for granted, but if they aren't there then it is the same problem that has been plaguing Nintendo since the N64.

So again, people don't buy Nintendo consoles to play third party games (generally), but what is true is that people do avoid Nintendo consoles because those third party titles aren't there. Do you see what I'm saying? The ports don't do much to draw people in, but they are necessary to keep people from turning away.

Quote from: Stogi on March 29, 2012, 01:21:17 AM
has never ever once been in the red (since the NES),

That was true for many years, but just recently they were in the red. Sometime back in 2011. I think they are out of the red now though, but I'm not sure.
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Louieturkey on March 30, 2012, 05:59:27 PM
I think it was more that their profits were down, not that they were in the red.
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: TJ Spyke on March 30, 2012, 06:10:18 PM
No, Nintendo was in the red. For the six months that ended September 30, they lost $923 million. http://www.marketwatch.com/story/nintendo-sinks-deeper-into-red-in-first-half-2011-10-27

Sluggish Wii sales had part to do with it, and losing money on every 3DS system sold doesn't help (they are doing it to get the system out there and make up it up with software sales of course).
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: gamercat on March 31, 2012, 03:02:50 AM
Quote from: TJ Spyke on March 30, 2012, 06:10:18 PM
No, Nintendo was in the red. For the six months that ended September 30, they lost $923 million. http://www.marketwatch.com/story/nintendo-sinks-deeper-into-red-in-first-half-2011-10-27 (http://www.marketwatch.com/story/nintendo-sinks-deeper-into-red-in-first-half-2011-10-27)

Sluggish Wii sales had part to do with it, and losing money on every 3DS system sold doesn't help (they are doing it to get the system out there and make up it up with software sales of course).

That info would be shocking if it had happened last year or the year before. However, you have to consider that they have several 3DS titles in development as well as a new HD home console in the works, for which they have licensed several middlewares  for third parties to use, as well as the collaborations and their own HD games. And while they have a more unique approach to art style, as opposed to photorealistic, games like Smash Bros are big. There's also Retro's game and Monolith Soft is also working on something for Wii U. They have also invested in the Nintendo Network, and maybe they have made contracts with other companies already as suggested by Mr. Iwata. All of that requires a lot of money.

Anyways, I predict Wii U launch during or a bit after Summer, or at least that's the ideal time frame. Last holiday season was pretty crowded, and this year looks to be no different if not more crowded. This is even more dangerous for Wii U since the system will have games that will already be on other systems like Batman and Ninja Gaiden 3. They need to launch a bit early to offset those early games so that the system can have a more steady flow of games that will arrive later on like Assassin's Creed 3 and Aliens. If third party support is as big as rumored and if companies like Capcom are on it, we might see RE 6 on it, and CoD is pretty much a given.

As for price, $350 would be ideal if it has a considerable boost in hardware like it seems to have. If they have two versions, maybe one will be priced at $299 and the other at $399 with a HDD and a sleeker look.
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: TrueNerd on April 02, 2012, 07:36:56 PM
So the crazy outlandish rumor circulating the internets today is that the Wii U will drop November 18th. The Sunday before Thanksgiving. Talk about going out on a limb, yeah?
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Spak-Spang on April 03, 2012, 12:10:42 AM
Why would they have a sleeker look to it?  That just costs a company more money to have two housing devices, and it hurts the image factor of recognizing the Wii U on sight.  No, it will definitely only have one form factor.  Hopefully, Nintendo allows for a hard drive to be dropped into the system...but I doubt it.  Best we can hope for is for a USB hard drive compatibility. 
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 03, 2012, 04:01:10 AM
It has USB hard drive compatibility; that was on the fact sheet at E3 last year.
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Ceric on April 03, 2012, 09:42:54 AM
I'm still holding out hope that it will be small enough that someone can make a shell it can plug into to allow for non-umote controllers to be charged, house a 2.5"/3.5" HardDrive, and add additional quiet temperature controlled cooling.
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: nickmitch on April 03, 2012, 10:30:37 AM
I think I'm gonna go with 8/26/2012 at $299.99 with a pack in of the tech demos from last years E3, if a little more fleshed out.
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: gamercat on April 03, 2012, 11:42:53 AM
For the hard drive thing, I think they might have tow versions of it. A cheaper model without a hard drive, and a premium model with a hard drive and a sleeker look. No HDD would be the ideal though. You could argue that you can find them really cheap, but are those the good ones? The 5400 RPM ones can cost you around $80, and those are internal ones and kind of slow with only 8MB of cache. The good ones would be the 7200 RPM ones with 16mb of cache. Those are faster but more expensive. PC parts are not as cheap when you want it to do something in specific.

So, what's the advantage of NOT having one? By having moving parts, the system requires a better power supply, which in turn generates more heat, and then you would need a better cooling fan, which then generates more heat and requires a better supply. Cooling systems and power supplies can make the price go up since those are crucial components on your system. It wouldn't be an issue with solid state drives, but those don't offer that much storage space with a ridiculous high price (over $100 for less than 300GB).

It would be better for them to keep the system small since that would help in dissipating the heat faster depending on the design. An inexpensive cooling system would do just fine and keep the cost down, specially if they use a dual core/2 GPUs the way I think they do.
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Ceric on April 03, 2012, 12:10:05 PM
Quote from: gamercat on April 03, 2012, 11:42:53 AM
For the hard drive thing, I think they might have tow versions of it. A cheaper model without a hard drive, and a premium model with a hard drive and a sleeker look. No HDD would be the ideal though. You could argue that you can find them really cheap, but are those the good ones? The 5400 RPM ones can cost you around $80, and those are internal ones and kind of slow with only 8MB of cache. The good ones would be the 7200 RPM ones with 16mb of cache. Those are faster but more expensive. PC parts are not as cheap when you want it to do something in specific.

So, what's the advantage of NOT having one? By having moving parts, the system requires a better power supply, which in turn generates more heat, and then you would need a better cooling fan, which then generates more heat and requires a better supply. Cooling systems and power supplies can make the price go up since those are crucial components on your system. It wouldn't be an issue with solid state drives, but those don't offer that much storage space with a ridiculous high price (over $100 for less than 300GB).

It would be better for them to keep the system small since that would help in dissipating the heat faster depending on the design. An inexpensive cooling system would do just fine and keep the cost down, specially if they use a dual core/2 GPUs the way I think they do.

Thats a lot of the reason I think the Shell Idea is so elegant.
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Adrock on April 03, 2012, 12:42:38 PM
Quote from: gamercat on April 03, 2012, 11:42:53 AM
For the hard drive thing, I think they might have tow versions of it. A cheaper model without a hard drive, and a premium model with a hard drive and a sleeker look.
I'm still unsure what you mean by "sleeker look." Besides the fact that that's subjective, having 2 designs right out of the gate is confusing. It looks like 2 different products. However, if you mean something like the slim 360s where the design is the same but the hard drive SKUs have a glossy finish and the base SKU has a matte finish, I could see that potentially happening. Still, MS pushes the glossy finish as the premium but I, personally, like the matte look.
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So, what's the advantage of NOT having one? By having moving parts, the system requires a better power supply, which in turn generates more heat, and then you would need a better cooling fan, which then generates more heat and requires a better supply.
I was always under the impression that the chipset generates the most heat. Hard drives should be able to handle the heat that they create. If Nintendo were to create 2 SKUs (1 with a HDD, 1 without), I'd expect all the other parts to be the same. It costs them more to order different/extra pieces. Honestly, I'm just hoping for a HDD bay like the PS3 that allows for any HDD to be plugged in. It prevents clutter and doesn't use up a whole USB. I have my doubts that it'll happen though.
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: gamercat on April 03, 2012, 01:00:20 PM
I meant something like the 360 Slim, sort of. They could have a system that looks like the design we saw last year as a cheap offering while the more expensive one looks more attractive in terms of design (maybe black from the get-go).

As for the HDD, there are external ones that don't have a fan, but some part of the case is exposed to dissipate the heat. HDD don't generate as much heat, but they do require a power supply if they're internal or external to operate efficiently. There are external HDD that power off the USB port on your PC, but they are not meant for heavy duty stuff. Having said that, HDD still generate enough heat to cause problems with your system. Plus, an external one or no internal HDD would make it easy for them to get a low cost power supply, which is still an important factor in the cost of the system.

Then again, Nintendo has the tendency of creating reliable hardware (in terms of how long it lasts), so whatever they decide to do, I'm sure they will do it right. I just hope they offer cloud saving. I don't want to lose all my save data after a HDD crash.
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Evan_B on April 04, 2012, 01:33:52 AM
As for launch titles, I really don't expect MUCH from Nintendo, though I would really, really, really like it if they had a nice gem in store for us. I really would love for the Wii U to hit the ground running with a solid Nintendo experience, though I'm not quite sure what that should be. I think Wii Sports 2 would be a little bit of a cop-out, especially if Nintendo is trying to reconnect with the "hardcore" audience. That's the only reason I suspect a meatier title.
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Spak-Spang on April 04, 2012, 03:27:32 AM
Well how about a Retro game at launch.  I predict whatever game Retro is working on will be a launch game.  I am guessing they will rock out a F-Zero launch game.  Then we have the tech demos packed in and New Super Mario Wii U and Pikmin as launch games...and that would be a great lineup.  Pikmin will be a game designed to appeal to hardcore and casuals as will Super Mario Wii U...both will have online play ability.

Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: gamercat on April 04, 2012, 03:39:11 AM
A Retro game at launch would be nice, although I would probably like a new IP from them. Maybe an adventure FPS? Or an FPSRPG like Borderlands? They've got quite the talent to pull that off, and a new IP has a better chance of being a success at the start of a new generation. Also, didn't they have two teams at Retro? I remember readying something about that a while ago. Monolith Soft just opened a new studio near Nintendo's HQ, and apparently they're working on a 3DS game while the main team is on a Wii U game.

Then again, if Pikmin is a launch title, then other big Nintendo games, like Retro's project, would be pushed back. I'm actually hoping for an adventure FPSRPG from Retro. Combine Metroid Prime with Borderlands, and you have a winner for me. From Monolith, I'd love a drop in/drop out co-op, open world RPG, but with a lot of color. I can never get into the Elder Scrolls games because of the lack of color. It just feels lifeless and depressing. They did say that Skyrim would be the inspiration for their next project.
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Evan_B on April 04, 2012, 09:24:34 AM
I mean, don't get me wrong, I love Retro and their work, and I would greatly appreciate a Retro launch title. But just what Retro would make for the Wii U is the risky question. I personally don't need a new F-Zero, as racing games aren't my forte, and I don't really know what other Nintendo ip could have a new Retro twist on it.

I would enjoy a new First Person Adventure, but I worry about them doing their own ip. I dunno, I just don't see what Retro could bring to the Wii U launch. When's the last time we heard from them about what they were developing?
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: gamercat on April 04, 2012, 10:29:20 AM
Apparently they were working on something that everyone wanted them to do. Myamoto did say that Retro would be a nice collaboration for the next Zelda, but I think it's too early for that.

I think they have more than proven themselves to create their own IP for Nintendo in a western style. Monolith was allowed to make a new IP, Xenoblade, so I don't see how Retro couldn't go ahead and do so.
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Evan_B on April 04, 2012, 12:11:36 PM
I mean, as much as I enjoy Metroid Prime, I also enjoyed Donkey Kong Country Returns, as hard as it was. I don't know what Retro is really GOOD at, so I'd be very interested to see them create their own ip.
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: tendoboy1984 on April 15, 2012, 06:40:32 PM
Quote from: Evan_B on April 04, 2012, 01:33:52 AM
I think Wii Sports 2 would be a little bit of a cop-out.

You mean Wii Sports 3, right? Wii Sports Resort is basically "Wii Sports 2". And I really really hate the term "hardcore / core gamer". It's a meaningless label that was perpetuated by the gaming media to differentiate us from casual gamers.

I'm a mainstream gamer, yet I love Wii Sports and WS Resort. I enjoy the Wii Sports games for their simplicity and charm. I also enjoy Super Mario its hop-n-bop action, Metroid for its sense of isolation on a desolate planet, Zelda for its adventure and dungeons, 8-bit Mega Man for its catchy music and difficulty, GTA for its freedom and open city, God of War for it's brutal violence and epic story, Halo for its shooting action and multiplayer, etc.

I don't want to be lumped in a demographic like "hardcore" or "casual". I love video games, therefore I'm a gamer.


/end rant
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: tendoboy1984 on April 15, 2012, 06:43:27 PM
Damn double post.
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on April 15, 2012, 06:45:40 PM
Quote from: tendoboy1984 on April 15, 2012, 06:40:32 PM
Quote from: Evan_B on April 04, 2012, 01:33:52 AM
I think Wii Sports 2 would be a little bit of a cop-out.


You mean Wii Sports 3, right? Wii Sports Resort is basically "Wii Sports 2". And I really really hate the term "hardcore / core gamer". It's a meaningless label that was perpetuated by the gaming media to differentiate us from casual gamers.


I'm a mainstream gamer, yet I love Wii Sports and WS Resort. I enjoy the Wii Sports games for their simplicity and charm, just like I enjoy Super Mario games for their hop-n-bop action, Metroid for it's sense of isolation on a desolate planet, Zelda for it's adventure and dungeons, etc.

Agree, but I don't think a Wii Sports title will be used to launch Wii U, they will want something that takes advantage of the new Umote, which would not work well at all for a Wii Sports title. I think it is going to be a more traditional title that will use the Umote in a way they feel enhances the title. People can say what they want about Wii Sports, but it was an important title to showcase what Wii could potentially do, kind of like SM64 was used to showcase how the analog stick would change things. The Wii U needs to have something similar, whether it be a casual game (I doubt it) or a more traditional title.


Also note I don't think of casual gaming as something bad, I just think of it as more as a reference to a game that is more "Pick up and play for short bursts" especially with other people.
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: tendoboy1984 on April 15, 2012, 06:48:27 PM
Quote from: Spak-Spang on April 04, 2012, 03:27:32 AM
Pikmin will be a game designed to appeal to hardcore and casuals.


I LOL'd. Pikmin does not appeal to "hardcore" gamers at all. It's a very basic RTS game featuring cute cartoony characters. It's typical Nintendo style, which definitely is not what most "hardcore" gamers are looking for.


No blood or guts, no guns, no deathmatches, capture the flag, swearing, killcams, perks, XP, etc.
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: nickmitch on April 15, 2012, 06:54:03 PM
Violence and kill cams don't make a game hardcore. A hardcore game is a gamer's game, something only people who really enjoy videogames as a primary hobby would like. Pikmin is far from having a casual appeal.

Anyway, I think Pikmin 3 is the perfect way to show off the Wii U's graphical abilities. Realistic world, with detailed looking creatures.
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Evan_B on April 15, 2012, 06:54:58 PM
What is a "hardcore" gamer? Do they like ultra-violent games that feature healthy online communities (maybe healthy isn't the right word for it)? Or is a hardcore gamer someone who enjoys a damn good immersive, meaty gaming experience? Remember when it used to be the latter and not the former?
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: nickmitch on April 15, 2012, 06:56:34 PM
It still is the latter. At least on these forums.
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: tendoboy1984 on April 15, 2012, 06:58:53 PM
Quote from: Evan_B on April 15, 2012, 06:54:58 PM
What is a "hardcore" gamer? Do they like ultra-violent games that feature healthy online communities (maybe healthy isn't the right word for it)? Or is a hardcore gamer someone who enjoys a damn good immersive, meaty gaming experience? Remember when it used to be the latter and not the former?


It could be both? But in the media's eyes, "hardcore" gamers mostly enjoy online multiplayer shooting games, RTS games, and Western RPGs.
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Evan_B on April 15, 2012, 07:03:08 PM
I pray that's what Nintendo thinks it is, rather than the CoD crowd.

God, I hate Western RPGs.
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 15, 2012, 07:03:26 PM
"Hardcore gamer" is an abstract concept that can mean different things to different people. There's no one definition to go by, and it's important to be clear in what you mean when using it. Nickmitch is correct in what he says the usual meaning of the word is around these parts, unless someone is taking unnecessary shots at other platforms and groups of people.
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 16, 2012, 02:00:27 AM
Quote from: tendoboy1984 on April 15, 2012, 06:48:27 PM
No blood or guts, no guns, no deathmatches, capture the flag, swearing, killcams, perks, XP, etc.

Well, you do kill stuff. Just saying.

Pikmin is very hardcore and not politically correct, because Olimar enslaves the indigenous Pikmin and forces them to kill and be killed in order to find the parts of his space ship. Many hundreds or even thousands have died just for Olimar's self interest. That's about as hardcore as it gets. The game promotes genocide and slavery.

That's by your definition of what "hardcore" means. Personally I define hardcore as a game that you can't just play for a few minutes at a time. Pikmin is a very challenging game which requires hours of dedication. Its not something you can play on your iPad or cell phone while waiting for the bus.
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: UncleBob on April 16, 2012, 02:28:16 AM
It doesn't promote genocide.  In fact, isn't the point of the game to complete it without getting your Pikmin killed?  If you get them killed, that's on you. :D
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Ceric on September 13, 2012, 11:46:39 PM
FZeroBoyo won being Exactly right.
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Sarail on September 14, 2012, 12:06:52 AM
Wow.

Congratulations, FZeroBoyo. You're now the new World Heavyweight NWR Champion.

Watch out for Aces & Eights...
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Luigi Dude on September 14, 2012, 12:19:13 AM
Quote from: Ceric on September 13, 2012, 11:46:39 PM
FZeroBoyo won being Exactly right.

FZeroBoyo correctly predicted the Deluxe Set, but Mop it up and I both correctly predicted the Basic Set.

http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34112.0 (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34112.0)

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Luigi Dude    $299.99    11/18/2012    http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34112.msg667473#msg667473

Mop it up     $299.99    11/18/2012    http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34112.msg667518#msg667518
http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34112.msg667530#msg667530
http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34112.msg679362#msg679362

FZeroBoyo   $350   11/18/2012   http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34112.msg679419#msg679419

So technically all three of us are the winners.
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 14, 2012, 12:45:37 AM
Your reward should be a custom user title of your choice.
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Mop it up on September 14, 2012, 05:38:39 PM
I pretty much nailed it. Predicted the date and price of both bundles.

Quote from: Mop it up on March 22, 2012, 07:48:53 PM
$299.99 for just a system
-or-
$349.99 if it comes with a game/extras
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Louieturkey on September 14, 2012, 06:38:11 PM
Quote from: Mop it up on September 14, 2012, 05:38:39 PM
I pretty much nailed it. Predicted the date and price of both bundles.

Quote from: Mop it up on March 22, 2012, 07:48:53 PM
$299.99 for just a system
-or-
$349.99 if it comes with a game/extras
Mop it up is the ultimate winner.  No one else can compare.  Chozo needs to buy her a Wii U now.
Title: Re: Wii U Price and Release Date Guess Thread
Post by: Ceric on September 14, 2012, 07:00:00 PM
Alright alright.. :P  I was a little lask in updating at the end.