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Title: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 28, 2012, 07:25:31 PM
E3 is upon us and I thought I would compile all the news (from the Wii U thread) into a nice (and long) list for easy refreshing of everything we've heard from E3 of 2011 till today.
The list still isn't finished, and is a work in progress, but all of 2011 is done so far. If I've missed something, please feel free to point it out, but everything on this list is sourced back to this forum, so please provide a link to where it was found on this forum.
Hope this comes in handy for a Wii U Year in Review
News Consolidation 2011
June 2011 -First Look at the Controller (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg678235#msg678235); -HDD & SD card support + 4 USB ports (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg678242#msg678242); The Officially released Spec Sheet -Hands on impressions of the uMote (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg678256#msg678256) -New Super Mario Mii (Wuu) (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg678352#msg678352); the only 1st part game "officially" announced according to the press site -Wii U sliders more like nunchuck analog than 3DS sliders (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg678397#msg678397); if only they knew -Press Kit Photos (http://url=http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg678408#msg678408) -IBM Wuutson Inside (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg678425#msg678425); Wii U CPU news -Impressions of the Wii U (IGN) (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg678453#msg678453) -Ninja Gaiden Wii U to have some exclusive additions? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg678460#msg678460) -Zelda Wii U Video and GIF (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg678677#msg678677) -Nintendo Rep says only 1 uMote per console.... (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg678873#msg678873) -The Wii U disc will hold 25GB (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg678883#msg678883) -EA Banner suggest Mass Effect and other games coming to Wii U (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg678913#msg678913) -Nintendo admits E3 Games reel was PS360 footage (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg679014#msg679014) -Vigill (Darksiders II) states Wii U is more powerful than PS360 (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg679051#msg679051) -Nintendo speaks on possibility of 2 uMotes (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg679121#msg679121) -Aliens: Colonial Marines (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg679161#msg679161) -Hands on with the actual console (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg679273#msg679273) -Wii U = Accounts, NOT friend codes!! (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg679387#msg679387) -Metal Gear on WU? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg679451#msg679451) -Killer Freaks official site has launched (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg679456#msg679456) -More news on the CPU (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg679533#msg679533) -uMote has a headphone jack (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg679579#msg679579) -Wuu News Dump (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg679590#msg679590); Activision, iD, Mass Effect, Darksiders II & Bioshock. read all about it. Ubisoft's E3 2011 Roundtable (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg679847#msg679847) -Nintendo: We Should Have Explained Wii U Better (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg679996#msg679996) -Nintendo ONline Network? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg680106#msg680106) -An indepth look at the technical stuff from Nintendo @ E3 2011 (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg680292#msg680292) -Sega doesn't want ports and backs a Mid 2012 launch (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg680338#msg680338) Everything we know about thevWii U so far (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg680484#msg680484) Venture Beat Interview with Reggie (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg680490#msg680490) -View of the top and bottom of the controller (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg680515#msg680515) -View of the back of the system (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg680635#msg680635) -Wii U = 1.5x PS360!? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg680695#msg680695) -uMOte screen used for view different from TV (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg680731#msg680731) -Developer comments from DICE (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg680757#msg680757) -WiiU is NOT next Gen says Michel Ancel (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg680793#msg680793) -No More Heroes 3 WiiU Confirmed (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg680799#msg680799) -CryEngine3 & Unreal Engine 3 coming to WiiU (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg680826#msg680826) -What's under the flap revealed (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg680889#msg680889) -WiiU using modified R770 w/ Eyefinity & DX 10.1 (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg680997#msg680997)(equivalent features) -Pachter think Wii U is too late, and Reggie told him 2 uMotes are possible (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg681021#msg681021) -Metroid U? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg681054#msg681054) -Iwata Hopes Wii U will steal back the couch from the iPad (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg681058#msg681058) -No DVD or Bluray playback for U (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg681229#msg681229) -Iwata: Multi-Room Gaming Is An Option (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg681313#msg681313) -Devs working on Underclocked WiiU kits (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg681510#msg681510) -Multiple WiiU controllers are possible, but cost too much (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg681681#msg681681) -Updated Devkits going out this July (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg681844#msg681844) -Reggie talks bout the Wii U (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg681892#msg681892) -No More Wii U details till next year (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg681998#msg681998) -My slight changes to the Wii U design (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg682095#msg682095) -Changes to the Bird Demo between Video and Interactive Demo (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg682294#msg682294) -Wii U to reach Zen-like Balance of Power & Performance (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg682590#msg682590) -Ubisoft speaks on WiiU (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg682661#msg682661) -Iwata talks WiiU (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg682717#msg682717) -Wii U Charging Cradle? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg682771#msg682771) -Miyamoto: WiiU Online is Important (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg682802#msg682802) -Valve on WiiU (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg682834#msg682834) -SquareEnix WiiU Launch Title? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg682844#msg682844) -Mark Rein excited over Valve news! (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg682867#msg682867) -EA optimistic about WiiU Online (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg682880#msg682880) -Mark Rein still tweeting about WiiU (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg683066#msg683066) -Monolithsoft is making a WiiU game. (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg683122#msg683122) -Ninja Gaiden WiiU is 30% complete (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg683564#msg683564) -Mark Rein Compliments WiiU (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg683639#msg683639) -Resident Evil WiiU!? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg683650#msg683650) -Ubisoft Quebec making AssCreedU (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg683670#msg683670) -What Developers Think of Wii U (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg683755#msg683755)
July 2011 -Bethesda developing for WiiU? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg684418#msg684418); Rage, Skyrim, & Prey 2 a Wii U possibility? -Wii U corner cutting could keep Core Away.... (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg684418#msg684418); spend more to attract more? worked for PS3 right? -Wii U is a Slam Dunk for id tech 5 games (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg684459#msg684459); What does id make again? Rage? Doom? -Reggie speaks on WiiU (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg684819#msg684819); with Forbes. -Behind the scenes of Darksiders II (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg684993#msg684993Griptomite Games is itching to develop for Wii U<br />-[url=http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg684996#msg684996) -EGDE Magazine features Wii U (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg684998#msg684998); and Miyamoto -EAD;s Katsuya Eguchi Speasks (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg685018#msg685018) -Investing in 3rd Parties. Nintendo's New Strategy for 3DS & WiiU (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg685026#msg685026) -Speculation on what led to the early Wii U reveal, and a story about the Launch (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg685110#msg685110) -Devs speak Wii U (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg685374#msg685374); Epic, EA & Gearbox -Mityamoto talks about the Circle Pads (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg685477#msg685477) -Naughty Dog talks Wii U; but of course stay loyal to Sony -[url=http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg686596#msg686596]Vigil says that as of now Darksiders II is just a port (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg686140#msg686140) -EA's Overstike, Nintendo Trademarks & GC games on WiiU eShop!? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg686985#msg686985) -Wii U to Join the Cloud!? Acer's Cloud? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg687509#msg687509); Cloud Storage is a future I welcome as long as it remains an option. -Epic: WiiU is a Powerful Box (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg687880#msg687880); Epic is very interested in the Wii U -Wada on WiiU... and 3DS (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg688002#msg688002) -Devil's Third and Layton Ports? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg688068#msg688068); Also SquareEnix states the obvious -EA & WiiU sitting in a tree O-n-l-i-n-e (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg688121#msg688121); EA praises the Wii U (can do anything PS360 can do only better) -3DS Price drop to affect WiiU Launch? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg689274#msg689274); Iwata speaks on price and launch date
August 2011 -Ubi praises Wii U + 2 more games announced (from Codemasters) (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg690095#msg690095); DiRT & F1 coming to Wii U -Peter Moore on Wii U (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg690199#msg690199); and he is HYPED -Nintendo hoped to use the power of suggestion on the 3rd parties (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg690298#msg690298) -Darksiders to to match the top specced PC version!? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg690454#msg690454) they said it themselves... -Multiple WiiU Controllers w/ onboard storage!? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg690457#msg690457); atleast that's what Nintendo of Canada is saying -Nintendo to not be dependent on 3rd Parties @ Wii U launch? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg690497#msg690497) -Umote has Flash Mem, Magnetometer, IR port & a Mic (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg690854#msg690854); so a patent search reveals -Multi-Touch uMote still a possibility? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg690873#msg690873); from the same patent above. -MOre from the same patent (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg690889#msg690889); H.264 compression and WirelessN -Nicalis (Cavestory) is now a licensed Wii U dev (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg692238#msg692238)
September 2011 -Crytek is "happy with" and "Excited about" Wii U!! (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg697312#msg697312) -Gearbox (Aliens: Colonial Marines) comments on Wii U (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg697599#msg697599) -BF3 on Wii U to be the definitive version? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg697905#msg697905); they are looking for good ways to use the controller -More Darksiders II news (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg698116#msg698116) -Bethesda says Skyrim is a possibility on Wii U (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg698302#msg698302) Game of the Year Edition? -Wii U has "a lot more RAM" (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg698896#msg698896); according to Jonathan Blow (Braid) -Vicarious Visions Working On Wii U Title (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg699143#msg699143)
October 2011 -EA: We love Wii U (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg700181#msg700181) -Battlefield Wii U (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg700576#msg700576); EA reconfirms that it is coming -Pachter speaks on Wii U (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg700699#msg700699) and I continue to not care what he has to say about anything.... -The Darkness II Wii U? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg700736#msg700736); a Wii U version was planned. PS360 release date is Feb. 2012. -Mass Effect ThWii U (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg701467#msg701467); they didn't say it was coming, but wanted you to imagine what it would be like. -Peter Moore speaks on Origin, Wii U, 3DS & Vita (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg701738#msg701738) -TT Games speaks on LEGO City Stories (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg702132#msg702132)
November 2011 -A wiimote attachment patent (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg704045#msg704045) turning your wiimote into a touch pad. -IGN: study shows only 10% of people interested in Wii U & Vita (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg704561#msg704561) -Mario Kart Wii U is in the works (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg704847#msg704847); nice to know it's being worked on in some capacity. -Peter Moore: Wii U Online is Extensive! (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg704877#msg704877) -Nintendo wants to avoid frivolous DLC (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg706565#msg706565) -SquareEnix's FF team talks Wii U (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg707294#msg707294); perhaps they should speak with the DQ Team...?
December 2012 -Wii U to appeal to different gamers than Wii (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg708658#msg708658) -Project CARS coming to Wii U (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg708947#msg708947) -Ubisoft Quebec building an "AAA MMO for Wii U"? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg709279#msg709279); it's what they were hiring for. -Supposed specs leak for Wii U (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg709375#msg709375) but 768MB of embedded DRAM seems very very unlikely. -Singapore Gov site shows Wii U Devkit data (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg709690#msg709690) -Dragon Quest X on Wii U looks beautiful (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg711465#msg711465) -Another small dev joins the Wii U dev list (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg712635#msg712635)
News Consolidation 2012
January 2012 -Toki Tori 2 Wii U (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg713352#msg713352); they say it's coming without saying it's coming. -Miyamoto working on new IP (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg713646#msg713646) -Wii U spotted at CES (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg714039#msg714039); next to LG's new 55" OLED -Wii U gets mention on ABC news (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg714068#msg714068); and some CES chatter of Netflix and content providers on Wii U. -Retro in crunch time? Hires some HD talent! (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg714294#msg714294); ex-Uncharted. ex-Darksiders and 1 other -uMote get praise @ CES (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg714327#msg714327); better screen than an iPad -Tokyo Street Demo revealed (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg714332#msg714332); the same one that was at E3 that they wouldn't show us -Reggie interviews on CNN (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg714338#msg714338); no new info as expected. -uMote impression: "What Nintendo has designed here is a thing of beauty" (http://www.destructoid.com/ces-how-it-feels-to-hold-the-wii-u-controller-219535.phtml) -NoA's Scott Moffit talks launch strategies. (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg714502#msg714502) -Wii U Card Game by Ubisoft (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg714960#msg714960); according to a LinkedIn profile -Ghost Recon Online Arcade Wii U (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg714961#msg714961); is the new name of the game according to another LinkedIn profile -Smash Bros. Wii U not coming for a while (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg715086#msg715086); Gotta finish Kid Icarus first -Reports of final dev kits (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg715606#msg715606); if not final, then definitely newer -Project CARS confirmed for Wii U (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg715613#msg715613); the logo has shown up on the site -Yoshi Ono (SFxTekken) likes the Wii U, but fears the Nintenjas (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg716279#msg716279); Nintenjas = Nintendo Ninja Assassins -Iwata: Wii U to see World Wide Release in 2012 (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg716291#msg716291) -Wii U to use Individual User Accounts (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg716573#msg716573); Goodbye Friend Codes. -Wii U to use NFC tech (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg716834#msg716834); Skylanders to lead the way -Nintendo planning downloadable stages for next Mario games (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg717057#msg717057) hopefully some are user created -Miyamoto focusing more on new IP and less on others (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg717086#msg717086) -Iwata: We will not be drawn into an expensive tech war with the competition (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg717116#msg717116) -Team Ninja on Wii U (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg717146#msg717146) -Microsoft says Nintendo is not competing with other consoles (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg717298#msg717298) -Nintendo hires ex-Crytek Engineer (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg717359#msg717359)
February 2012 -High Voltage is licensed Wii U dev (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg717727#msg717727) Hopefully that means The Grinder is coming to Wii U -Darksiders II may have exclusive Wii U content (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg717855#msg717855) -Two Tribes set on bringing Toki Tori 2 to Wii U (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg718454#msg718454) -EA to bring Tiger Woods 2013 to Wii U (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg718459#msg718459); and we expected no less -Is UE4 coming to Wii U? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg718468#msg718468)hardware aligned with "systems they can't name yet" -Nintendo buys Mobiclip (Oct. 2011) (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg718753#msg718753); but who are they? details behind the link. -Sega Allstar Racing getting a sequel afterall (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg718828#msg718828); and some Japanese trademarks -Miyamoto is happy working on Pikmin 3 (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg718922#msg718922); and he should be, he's been doing it for how many years now? -AC3 confirmed for Wii U? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg719001#msg719001) GRO and AC3 in 2012 & no FarCry3 for Wii U? -HuluPlus Available Now (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg719584#msg719584) on Wii; probably a test run for Wii U launch. -Sakurai begins Smash Bros! (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg720202#msg720202); Development has started -Nintendo exploring media partnerships (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg720215#msg720215); that includes companies like Comcast -Interview with Alien: Colonial Marines' Randy Pitchford (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg720526#msg720526) -Wii U get some love from someone's local news station (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg720536#msg720536) -Ready at Dawn is gearing up for Next Gen (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg721347#msg721347); not sure if it's Wii U related or not. -Comparison of E3 uMote with what we believed to be an older one.... (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg721433#msg721433); turned out to be the new one... -Aonuma talks partnerships with outside companies (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg721484#msg721484)
March 2012 -Nicalis working on Wii (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg722067#msg722067) -Pachter says Wii U will be the Dreamcast of NextGen (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg723041#msg723041); & in ONM "Mario Galaxy 3 is hard to imagine" -Two Tribes Talks Toki Tori Two (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg723114#msg723114) -Epic's Mark Rein says that he would be shocked if Wii U doesn't do well (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg723119#msg723119) -Nintendo Trademarks - The Last Ranger (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg723454#msg723454); New IP? -MS says that Xbox720 will not be at E3 2012 (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg723465#msg723465); Nintendo to have E3 all to itself? or will Sony spoil the party? -Nintendo trademarks more than The Last Ranger (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg723490#msg723490); Demon Training & The Last Bodyguard? -No 1T-SRAM in Wii U (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg723516#msg723516); Looks like Nintendo has found a better way to emulate Wii BC in the Wii U -Netflix (Double) Confirmed for Wii U (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg724052#msg724052); and it better be there on DAY 1 -Ubisoft prepping Your Shape for Wii U (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg724507#msg724507) -Vigil pretty much confirms Darksiders II to be a Wii U launch game (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg724509#msg724509) -Nintendo chooses Green Hills Software as more middleware for developers (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg725055#msg725055) -Ubisoft is ready for Nintendo's Digital Distribution System (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg725057#msg725057) -Nintendo looking for some new publishing opportunities at the Nordic Games Conference (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg725139#msg725139) -Gear Box Excited about Wii U (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg725212#msg725212); and they want to talk about Aliens: Colonial Marines -Retro hires an ex-Gearbox Visual Effects Artist (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg725520#msg725520) -3 Dates to Watch out for in April (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg725526#msg725526); some upcoming events where we know Nintendo will be.
April 2012 -Ubisoft aiming to be the Wii U's #1 3rd Party! (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg725885#msg725885); and Wii U may be the perfect fit for MMO's -Wii U is an impressive bridge to Next Gen (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg726134#msg726134); and has more RAM and better processors than last[/url] -Sonic's Co-Creator joins Nintendo (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg726182#msg726182) -Sega is thinking of rebooting Sonic (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg726282#msg726282) -A look at Aliens: Colonial Marines (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg726971#msg726971) -Capcom: "Resident Evil 6 not available at this time for Wii U" (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg727048#msg727048); doesn't mean it isn't coming at all -Miyamoto is keen to a New Link to the Past style Zelda (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg727479#msg727479); and some F-Zero talk -Creator of Colors3D interested in doing a Wii U version (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg727585#msg727585) -Sounds like Runner 2 is headed to Wii U too (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg727590#msg727590) -uMote Cradle / Docking Station (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg727691#msg727691); more from that patent that was posted back in August 2011 -Confirmed that Wii U is using Bluray (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg727751#msg727751) -Arstechna blames Nintendo for lagging videogame sales (http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2012/04/why-are-video-game-sales-looking-so-weak-lately-blame-nintendo.ars?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss) -New Super Mario Bros. Mii confirmed to be a full game (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg728083#msg728083) and we'll see it at E3 (again) -Wii U most powerful system ever made by Nintendo (duh) (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg728147#msg728147); and analyst have good things to say.... -THQ interviews with Hip Hop Gamer (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg728272#msg728272) -Some Nintendo Patents (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg728280#msg728280); something about emulating handheld games, the other about interactive TV -More Nintendo Patents (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg728690#msg728690): Voice Forum and Step Forum; I wonder what that's about? -Gametrailers.com: "Wii U launch will surprise you!" (http://www.gametrailers.com/video/episode-205-invisible-walls/729443) -Nintendo Power Teaser (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg729271#msg729271) for their June issue; looks like a red Russia, or a map from GTA or something -"Fat chance of Crysis 3 coming to Wii U" (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg729347#msg729347) -Analyst predicts Wii U to be utter failure (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg729526#msg729526); Also says Nintendo should go 3rd party.... -Nintendo registers new domains (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg729574#msg729574); including a new Fire Emblem one. -Nintendo's Quarterly results posted (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg729732#msg729732) -2k Sports is developing something for Wii U (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg730107#msg730107); probably a sports game right... -Rayman Legends Wii U video leaked (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg730118#msg730118) -Nintendo may release NEW CHARACTERS soon. (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg730258#msg730258); says Miyamoto -Project CARS details revealed (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg730343#msg730343) -Frontier (LostWinds Disneyland Adventures & Kinectimals) is supposedly making something for Wii U (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg730484#msg730484) -Nintendo prepares for 3rd party downloads (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg730743#msg730743)
May 2012 -Nintendo says hardcore first! casual second! (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg731162#msg731162); the way it always should have been -Epic says: "UE4's intended target platform hasn't even been announced yet" (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg732070#msg732070); fanboys panic, Caterkiller sweats... -Junction Point developing for the Wii U confirmed (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg732374#msg732374); and it's more than likely Epic Mickey 2 -Sakurai spotted sneaking into Platinum Games (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg732605#msg732605); hopes of a Platinum developed Starfox rise -Killer Freaks from Outer Space double confirmed to have Online play (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg732611#msg732611) -Online survey suggest $299.99 price point for Wii U (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg732616#msg732616) and some confusion over 2 uMotes at the same time -Indie Game (Cloudberry Kingdom) Announced for Wii U (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg732661#msg732661); and boy does this one look crazy -BlackNMild2k1 writes a Rumor Round Up article for NWR (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=37764.msg733307#msg733307); he should do a follow up before E3.... -Foxxcon expecting growth thanks to launch of upcoming Wii U (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg733457#msg733457); that confirms who's making it. But we knew that. -Fifa 13 coming to Wii U (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg733598#msg733598); Rabbids Rumble & The Lost CIty: The Jungle show up on AUS Classification site -Ben 10 Announced for Wii U (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg733620#msg733620) -First images of UE4 surface (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg733664#msg733664) -Blizzard talks about Diablo 3 coming to consoles (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg733738#msg733738); " it won't be a simple port" -Randy Pitchford pitches Alien Colonial Marines..... again (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg733875#msg733875) -Ninjabread Man 2 coming to a Wii U near you (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg733884#msg733884) -The makers of Dead Island are making something for Wii U (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg733909#msg733909); hopefully it's Dead Island: GOTY edition -New uMote revealed (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg733955#msg733955); TT employee gets fired and sued. Old patent revealed to have shown new design, not old. -Small excerpt from supposed NoE Wii U documentation tells of 2 uMotes being possible back in Aug 2011 (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg734062#msg734062) -Vigil (Darksiders II) can't wait to talk about Wii U and it's specific features (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg734864#msg734864) -Nintendo sets up an official Wii U Facebook Page (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg735078#msg735078) -Gearbox (Aliens: Colonial Marines) says Wii U is a powerful machine, but they can't talk specs... (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg735122#msg735122) -It's mentioned that Metro: Last Light is definitely coming to Wii U in 2013 (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg735243#msg735243) -Nintendo teases Wii U Launch titles on their new Official Wii U Facebook Page (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=37883.msg735867#msg735867)
Title: Re: Pre-E3: Wii U in Review
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 28, 2012, 10:35:34 PM
September 2010: -Itagaki of Team Ninja hints at game Devil's Third being made for Wii2 (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg670302#msg670302)
October 2010: -Marvell QuadCore processors for new console (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg637155#msg637155) - *This might have had something to do with Kinect, But I don't remember. -IBM implies that Wii2 uses Cell based PPC (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg638565#msg638565) *Confirmed (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg678425#msg678425)*
November 2010: -Marvell Quad cores gets a large order: (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg642274#msg642274) From large console manufacturer - *once again might be Kinect related. -House of the Dead: Overkill 2 in the works (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg642866#msg642866) -EA reviving NFL Blitz (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg644226#msg644226)
December 2010:
January 2011: -UltraViolet Media Cloud service coming to a console (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg648998#msg648998) - Most Likely Sony since Sony is a partner. -New Pokemon game for Wii (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg649154#msg649154) *New Pokémon game for 3DS instead* (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34703.msg679452#msg679452)
February 2011: -Wii2 announcement coming soon (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg657316#msg657316) according to THQ *Confirmed*
March 2011: -Wii2 announcement coming soon (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg661397#msg661397) according to EA *Confirmed* -AMD working on CPU/GPU combined (Fusion based) chip for console due for release @ end of 2012; Told to bring schedule in for earlier release. *Update* - This matches up with this rumor from back in Dec. AMD Fusion based Xbox 720 in 2012? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=32855.msg645130#msg645130)
April 2011: -Monster Hunter 3DS to be announced soon (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg664597#msg664597) *Confirmed* (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=35578.0) Monster Hunter 3G & Monster Hunter 4 (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=35667.0) -SSFIV3D connects to home console (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg665437#msg665437) - Hint @ Wii2 from Capcom and 3DS -> Wii2 connectivity -Wii price drop to $150 on May 15th (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg666463#msg666463) *Confirmed* (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34277.msg671062#msg671062) -Wii2 announcement @ E3: (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg666740#msg666740) 1080p HD, More powerful than PS360, BC with Wii, release late 2012 *Confirmed* (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg668832#msg668832) -New Wii2 controller has HD screen built in (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg666915#msg666915) *Non HD Screen Confirmed* -Wii2 to use Bluray technology (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg666928#msg666928) *High Density Optical Disc Confirmed* -Wii2 actually aimed at early 2012 release (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg666975#msg666975) (1st half 2012) *IGN backs this up in their mailbag (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg668171#msg668171)* -Controller Screen is actually a Touch Screen (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg666977#msg666977) *Touch Screen Confirmed* -Project Cafe: Wii2 Controller is a Tablet: (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg667008#msg667008) 6" touch Screen on Controller, front facing camera & doubles as sensor bar for BC *Codename Confirmed* (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg668778#msg668778) *All Confrmed* -Dual Analogs, Streaming & Games (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg667026#msg667026) Wii2 controller to rival 3DS, NGP, iPhone & iPad apparently *Confirmed* -1st & 3rd Party games @ E3 (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg667069#msg667069) *confirmed* EA, Ubisoft & Capcom all but confirmed -Wii2 = TriCore PPC & R700 class GPU w/ 512+MB Ram (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg667113#msg667113) Another surprise to be shown @ E3 *TriCore CPU Confirmed* -3rd Parties have had Wii2 Dev Kits for Months (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg667129#msg667129), Has better Motion Tracking than Move *Dev Kits Confirmed* -Pikmin 3 moved to Project Cafe (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg667251#msg667251) *Confirmed* to be shown @ E3; Nintendo also in talks with R* for solid AAA support. -Wii2 launch June 2012 (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg667781#msg667781); Rockstar delivering game (?GTA V?) during launch window -Wii2, 3DS & E3!? Oh Yes!! (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg667939#msg667939); 3rd Parties taking a front seat this time around. -Retro working on Wii2 game (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg667943#msg667943); and it's "a project everyone wants us to do" (Starfox? Zelda? New Original FPS?) -Nintendo prepping Head Mounted 3D VR? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg667950#msg667950) sounds like the NintendoOn to me.... -Wii 2 will not be Dreamcast, it’ll be “the PlayStation 2 of next gen” (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg672134#msg672134); A true next gen console? sounds like it. -Retro's new game is actually Eternal Darkness 2? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg668169#msg668169) -"Where there's smoke, there's fire" - Miyamoto's comment on Project Cafe (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg668209#msg668209) - He also said not to believe everything you hear though. -Wii2 controller has a 6.2" screen and 8 buttons (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg668218#msg668218) *Confirmed* -IGN: The N Stream (Wii2) Details "confirmed"? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg668242#msg668242) -1up says: No Friend Codes for Wii2 (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg668681#msg668681) *Confirmed* I think -Retro making DKCR sequel for Wii2? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg668753#msg668753) -Project Cafe Codename Confirmed (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg668778#msg668778); 01net rumors now have even more credibility -4Chan Cafe "Leak" (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg669121#msg669121)?; Sounds like a wishlist to me. -Rareware to make 3DS games? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg669156#msg669156); not sure how likely this one is, but Rare did release DS games -Nintendo Select = $19.99 Players Choice line? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg669695#msg669695) *Confirmed* (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34261.msg670710#msg670710) -Project Cafe E3 Publishers List? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg670039#msg670039); More than likely fake, but the real thing will probably still be close -Super Smash Brothers Café @ E3 2011? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg673816#msg673816); Every Nintendo Franchise to be shown off in HD? Sounds good to me ;) *SSB Wiiu & 3DS Announced - Confirmed*
May 2011: -Haptic Feedback & Vitality Sensor Built In? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg670488#msg670488) *Fake* -Project Cafe: 8GB onboard Flash, 25GB disc & 1080p (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg670741#msg670741) -Track Pad in the Cafe Pad? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg671094#msg671094); Just because I don't believe it don't mean it's not possible... *False* -GTAV to be revealed @ E3? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg671178#msg671178) -$350+ Wii2 starts production in October (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg671233#msg671233) (Foxconn to produce (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg671259#msg671259)) -MS to steal Nintendo's thunder @ E3? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg671476#msg671476) *False* Not at this E3 atleast -Zumba Fitness 2 for Project Cafe? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg671988#msg671988) to be announced/released early 2012!? -Pikmin 3 & Endless Ocean 3 screenshots? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg672082#msg672082) They're likely fake, but what if they aren't.... E3 is still so far away. -IGN: Cafe to use a 4850? maybe 2GB's of RAM (1GB GPU & 1GB CPU)? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg672602#msg672602) -Valve working on Café (Wii2)? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg672732#msg672732); *Confirmed (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg682834#msg682834)* HipHopGamer says Gabe Newell is impressed with Café and it's ease of development -The Last Story coming to Europe!? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg675149#msg675149); If they translate it, it better come to the U.S. too. -Wii VC transferable to Café? HD versions getting made? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg674961#msg674961) -Project Café Spec Sheet? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg675476#msg675476); Only time will tell *Fake* -21 Rumors & A Bet To Back Them Up (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg675797#msg675797); Gotta love a bet where we win either way! -Metroid Café Screenshot!? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg675802#msg675802); I call fake, but it still looks good to me. [fake (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyWPCF-fDH0)] -HQ Camera's in Café? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg675819#msg675819) -"Final" Spec Sheet and Comparison (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg675910#msg675910); I compare it to the previous Spec Sheet... (less than 6 days left) *Fake* -New Zelda for 25th Anniversary!? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg675947#msg675947); Legend of Paper Zelda anyone!? *4 Swords DSi - Confirmed* -ESRB Leak!? Nintendo Current!? E3 Games Reel!? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg676051#msg676051) *update (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg676943#msg676943)* *fake* -Project Cafe @ EB Games Expo!? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34193.msg676129#msg676129); Nintendo will be there, surely Café will be too. Will you be there? -12 Skyward Sword Rumors (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg676158#msg676158); A Pre-E3 roundup of Zelda Rumors (with a bonus #13) -Super Mario Café @ E3? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg676352#msg676352); It would only make sense.... *NSMBMii - Confirmed* -Nikkei Confirms 6" Touch Screen, Camera and Rechargeable Battery (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg676489#msg676489); Mid-2012 Launch Date expected *Confirmed* -Super Mario Wii 2!? as in Super Mario for Wii 2? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg676845#msg676845) *NSMBMii could be considered NSMBW2 - Confirmed?* -Another 4Chan leak!? I want to believe it. So do you. (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg676858#msg676858); So. Do. You. *Controller details are False* -Project Cafe to be called... Nintendo? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg676915#msg676915) Just Nintendo.... that's it. *False* -Nintendo Beem? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg676926#msg676926); I think it works... not as well a xStream ;P but it's probably [fake (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg676937#msg676937)] anyways.
June 2011: -GTA V coming in 2012!? It's Likely. (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg682385#msg682385); Wiiu launch window title sounds likely too
July 2011: -Iwata subsidizes 3DS price drop with executive pay cuts!? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg688559#msg688559) -Street Fighter x Tekken is coing to 3DS!? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg688947#msg688947)
August 2011: -4 New Nintendo Selects this Month!? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg690187#msg690187) *Confirmed* (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34277.msg691493#msg691493) -Patents reveal uMote possibly uses Flash Mem, H.264, WirelessN, Multi-Touch and has a Cradle/Docking Station! (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg690854#msg690854) -Zone Of Enders 3DS - ZOE:3DS (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg691440#msg691440); Kojima Tweeted it with pics, so it must be true right? -Magic Box says: New Fire Emblem: Blue Sacred Sword and Red Demon Lance (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg692494#msg692494) -01.Net says 2nd Analog Attachment for 3DS coming (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg692603#msg692603) & then details some internal Nintendo Drama *2nd Analog Confirmed* (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=35578.0) -Dragon Quest X to be MMO-like *Confirmed* (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=35570.0) -01.Net says that some Nintendo Game Designs may be a little more than borrowed (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg693212#msg693212); Truth may never come to light on this one -Epic Mickey 2 in development!? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg693626#msg693626) Mickey & Oswald co-op?
September 2011: -Monster Hunter TriG, Baten Kaitos & Mach Rider: Unchained to be unveiled @ 3DS event next week (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg695169#msg695169) -More games rumored for next week (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg695582#msg695582); Yoshi, Ace Attorney, Etrian Odyssey and more.... -Wii U uses 28nm chips & 1T-SRAM!? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg697314#msg697314) NEC & MoSys still in the picture -Super Smash Bros. Universe!? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg697830#msg697830)
October 2011: -Luigi's Mansion 2 slide pad compatible? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg700132#msg700132) That would make it the only 1st party game so far that is... -Some Sonic Dimensions Rumors and Details(?) (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg703220#msg703220); Sega Dev [laughs] and says "*Hoax* (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg723280#msg723280)"
November 2011: -Silicon Knights working on Eternal Darkness 2? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg705588#msg705588); it's the only "requested" title from them that I can think of. -Revised Wiimote w/touchscreen mentioned in Sonic Dimensions rumor? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg704076#msg704076) yet another wiimote attachment? :/ -Wii U to support 2 tablets!? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg704840#msg704840) they never said it wouldn't, but anything confirming that it will is good news in my book. -Is EA gunning to be the sole Digital Distributor for Wii U? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg705558#msg705558); Trying to get any edge over Steam that it can. -Wii U Dev Kits have atleast 2 GB of RAM (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg706351#msg706351); it was also mentioned that it was tri-core dual threaded Power based CPU & GPU around 1.2 TFlops -DQVII or FFVII 3DS!? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg707251#msg707251) - Something about 7th entry of popular JRPG released 6 months after spinoff.... -AMD's GCN Graphics Core a possibilty for Wii U? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg708338#msg708338); Graphics Core Next & GameCube Nintendo... surely it's just a coincedence
December 2011 -Xenoblade April 2012 in the US? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg708587#msg708587); Operation Rainfall would like to take credit for this one... -Wii U Specs: 768MB of eDRAM & 3Ghz QCore PPC? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg708741#msg708741); I call BS (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg708752#msg708752) on this one... (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg708859#msg708859) but we will know soon enough. -Real Wii U App Store!? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg712565#msg712565); I can't wait for Angry Birds & Customizable clocks... -EPIC Mickey 2 - Fall 2012 (Multi-plat & Co-op) (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg712588#msg712588); I hope it's an improvement over the original (which I still have yet to play :P: : : )
January 2012 -Wii U eReader & iOS Apps!? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg713004#msg713004); Taking on Apple head to head? You have my sword. -Sega All-Star Racing 2? Wii U (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg715600#msg715600) - was the first one any good? serious question. I've never played it. -Nintendo's Online Network to revival Live & PSN!? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg715658#msg715658); Now your taking on MS & Sony head on too? You have my shield. -Rocksteady Studios (Batman AA/AC) making a new TMNT game!? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg715797#msg715797); As long as it includes Bebop, we approve. -New Wii U Dev Kits More Powerful than expected. (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg715798#msg715798); Now we are playing with POWER!! -Retro Studios working on StarFox Wii U? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg715904#msg715904); I'd rather them work on something else, but I'm not mad if it's true. -Wii U = 5X360!? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg719089#msg719089); Let's hope IGN gets it right this time. -Nintendo renaming the Wii U? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg716335#msg716335); No. they will not call is Super Wii. Stop It Kytim. -Resident Evil 6 is coming to Wii U (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg717101#msg717101); I'm the source on this one... a very pretty birdie told me. -Nintendo using voice recognition software in Wii U (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg717101#msg717101); I hope it's comparable to this Siri I keep hearing so much about -Zelda 3DS to be unveiled at GDC 2012 (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg717101#msg717101); So soon after SS?
February 2012 -Lady GaGa: The Experience!? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg718197#msg718197); My ears will bleed, but I'll have no choice but to buy it (not for me) -Activision backing Nintendo Big in 2012 & 2013 (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg718303#msg718303); Time to walk the walk this time -Epic Mickey 2 U? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg718305#msg718305); Looks like it could be headed to Wii U now -Samaritan on Wii U? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg718736#msg718736); @ 720p if rumors of power are to be believed. -HD & 3D uMote screen!? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg719567#msg719567); I know it was speculated before, but this is a whole new patent -CoD: BlOps2 is this years CoD title? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg719711#msg719711); if it is, it will be on Wii U no doubt. -Activision Working On Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Game? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg719782#msg719782); Do they have a studio by the name Bebop? -Pokemon B&W Sequel to be announced this Week!? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg720052#msg720052); Pokemon Grey incoming? *Confirmed* Pokemon B&W2 (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=37097.msg720936#msg720936) -Nintendo to make Wii U a media centerpiece!? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg720529#msg720529) Taking a page from Xbox Live's playbook? Sounds good to me. -CryEngine Wii U Demo @ GDC (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg720711#msg720711); Rumor is that they can't wait to show it off. Fact is that I can't wait to see it. -Time Splitters 4, Overstrike & Dead Space Wii U!? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg720904#msg720904); Add the sports titles and EA is not playing around this time. -No Xbox720 till maybe 2014 & PS3 to come in 2013!? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg721397#msg721397); So says the same source as RE6 on Wii U... -$299 Wii U @ launch? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg721567#msg721567); This rumor is from the same place that said 768MB embeded DRAM in Wii U. Salt Lick needed.
March 2012 -Nintendo tweaked Wii U to run Unreal Engine 4 (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg722856#msg722856); Caterkiller knows the source, so direct your questions at him ;) -Donkey Kong 3D in the works for 3DS!? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg722869#msg722869); GameStop seems to thinks so... Now GameStop says *NO* (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg723170#msg723170) -3 New IP's @ E3 for Nintendo? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg723117#msg723117); and 10 Nintendo titles @ E3 + 70 3rd Party games in development! -AMD has been working on Wii U GPU since atleast June 2009? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg723379#msg723379); and possibly with IBM all while in India -Current Wii U Dev Kits are True 720p with heavy uPad usage. (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg723752#msg723752); 1080p still possible with less uPad usage & current dev kit is not the most recent released. -Major eShop leak? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg723997#msg723997); I would love for it to be true... but I do not believe it is. But we shall see. Can't wait 4 E3! -Epic Mickey 2: Power of Illusion 3DS!? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg724084#msg724084); *TRUE* (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=37299.msg724638#msg724638)... but still waiting on a Wii U version. -Nintendo NDA's to be lifted sometime next week? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg724212#msg724212) FY2012 ends after next week. Investor Meetings & Financial Reports could reveal some goodies. -Capcom has an Action Title ready to show for Wii U @ E3! (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg724212#msg724212); RE6 anyone? -The Last Ranger is actually a sequel to Dillon's Rolling Western!? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg724212#msg724212); I guess we'll have to wait and see... -Retro's next game looks "extremely impressive" and it is NOT DK, TLOZ or Metroid... (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg724428#msg724428); StarTropics? -Regional Nintendo's want change U too!!? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg724641#msg724641); It's not just the gamers wishing for this to happen... -New 3DS Firmware Update Incoming? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg724642#msg724642) with lots of new features included!! Nintendo Network goes live early? -Two tribes hints @ Steamworks/Wii U Cross Platform Play? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg725225#msg725225) it would be nice if Steam was on Wii U.... *wink wink* -Headstrong rebooting a Sega IP from the Dreamcast Era? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg725544#msg725544) only to have it cancelled!? ....Jet Set!? -Nintendo & MySpace Sitting in a Tree....? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg725548#msg725548); getting together for the launch of MySpaceTV? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg725551#msg725551)
April -Wii U less powerful than PS360, Developers say... (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg725755#msg725755); late April fools joke or the bitter truth? Probably BS either way. -Wii U Launch 11/18/2012? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg725800#msg725800); GameStop agees (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg726437#msg726437); Lots of Nintendo stuff has launched the week b4 Black Friday. -Nintendo Grand Prix? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg726440#msg726440); Nintendo's own GT/Forza? in the style of Project Gotham Racing? -Haptics coming to Wii U!? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg726451#msg726451); ViviTouch does haptic rumble and not haptic touch (from what I've heard) -Engine optimizations lead to 3x-4x performance increase (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg726576#msg726576); That's from software documentation (uMote is referred to as DRC) -Lucas Arts making a Star Wars MMO for Wii U!? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg726522#msg726522); I don't know, but they are making something MMO for Wii U. -$180 is what it cost Nintendo for all the parts in Wii U? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg726699#msg726699); not including assembly, R&D, shipping, etc. etc. -Wii U currently reserves 512MB of RAM for OS functions? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg726740#msg726740); that's a lot of space for a console OS. Must be nice! -Hitman: Absolution coming to Wii U? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg726955#msg726955) along with several other titles from SE devs? -Pandora's Tower Coming to North America? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=37428.msg727346#msg727346) NWR got the scoop, GameStop is the source. -Universal uMote!? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg727584#msg727584) Potential TVGuide, Channel Preview, multi-device control and more!? make it happen please. -Nintendo & Square ink a deal to revive an old Square character? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg727964#msg727964) From SMRPG maybe? -Crazy rumors... (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg729622#msg729622) something about Epic & Metroid / Wii U & Android / & a big multimedia push -uMote has been remodeled and leaked pic is not the final version? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg730120#msg730120) -uMote to get better range than we thought!? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg730349#msg730349) let's hope so. Nintendo was conservative with Wavebird too... -Wii U to "Street Pass" like 3DS? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg730431#msg730431); using Gamer Cards to collect data on the go? sounds good to me... I guess. -Wii U @ $350? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg730805#msg730805); Likely just a place holder price, but why spend money to advertise it?
May -More to the "Android on Wii U" rumors than we previously thought? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg731235#msg731235) Very fully featured OS incoming? A supposed Google employee on GAF seems to think so.... -Google and Nintendo have been working on an OS together since 2007 (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg731247#msg731247) (post from 4/30/2010) -"Clicky Sticks" on the uMote!? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg731499#msg731499); Another controller feature to bring parity between Wii U and PS360 -New Patents show possible uMote stand and Zapper gun attachments (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg731499#msg731499); lots more plastic attachments to come, I'm sure. -Starfox in the works for Wii U? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=37674.0); Let's hope that whoever is making it, loved SF64. -Blockbuster Leaks Wii U Lineup? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg731878#msg731878); looks pretty solid if true. -FFXIV a Wii U possibility? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg732737#msg732737); One of a few rumored/confirmed MMO's coming to Wii U -Crytek employee talks Wii U dev kits? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg732739#msg732739); sounds like it's about 1 specific studio -Wii U to have Cloud Storage? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg733241#msg733241) only 512MB sounds a bit low though -Splinter Cell Wii U!? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg733264#msg733264); Hip Hop Gamer says it's so. -Nintendo & Eminem team up for some marketing aimed at the core? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg733736#msg733736) -No FarCry3 on Wii U, AC3 no different on Wii U & 2 uMotes is possible (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg733892#msg733892) -Retro making Startroid Fusion? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg733910#msg733910); Metroid x Starfox...? say it ain't so. I hope it's not. -New revised uMote revealed! (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg733986#msg733986) Analog Sticks! But what are those little squares? -Castelvania Wii U & 3DS!? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg734540#msg734540); LoS 2? that's what's rumored for Wii U atleast. -Wii U's Gamer Card Function!? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg734541#msg734541) Street Pass for the Wii U in your wallet? -New features accessible in the new dev kits! (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg735562#msg735562) all stuff we've heard about though. -New CPU details (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg735600#msg735600); Based on an IBM Express 710, 4Cores, 2 threads each @ 3Ghz. -Kingdom Hearts HD Collection headed to Wii U (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg735896#msg735896); would make a nice addition to the Wii U launch.
Title: Re: Pre-E3: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: ThePerm on May 29, 2012, 04:20:34 AM
that eminem article is interesting because it sounds like it could turn into a wayne brady chapelle thing
Title: Re: Pre-E3: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: acidboy on May 29, 2012, 06:00:01 AM
So caterkiller is lying/has an unreliable source? :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=475868 (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=475868)
Title: Re: Pre-E3: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Adrock on May 29, 2012, 08:03:38 AM
If you want to put your conspiracy theory tinfoil hat on, you can argue that Geoff Keighley answered David's question as "No, I can't hint that Wii U will be able to run Unreal Engine 4 because at GDC Mike Capp only said Wii U will run Unreal Engine 3" instead of "No, Wii U cannot run Unreal Engine 4 because at GDC Mike Capp said Wii U will only run Unreal Engine 3." The phrasing is still pretty vague. It's certainly possible Keighley doesn't know for sure (and just wants to sound like he does, especially for hits).
I'll continue to believe Caterkiller because he is a gentleman and a scholar.
Title: Re: Pre-E3: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 29, 2012, 12:15:28 PM
Despite how stupid your opening post is perm, I don't think abandoning the other thread is a great idea. And besides this thread is on rumours.
I trust Dasmos on these matters, fixed
and also, im not going to claim to have the foresight that there would be little news between last year and now, but I'll update the first post when there is real news. It will be flashy and neat, but not too flashy like myspace pages or geocities pages that would be really stupid. That's where neat comes in. Also, yes i do understand the redundancy of updating the front page. There will be an "adjustment" for that "oversight".
Title: Re: Pre-E3: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 02, 2012, 11:10:48 AM
and they are rumored to be working on a Wii U launch title. http://nintendoeverything.com/83112/rumor-5th-cell-creating-wii-u-launch-title/ (http://nintendoeverything.com/83112/rumor-5th-cell-creating-wii-u-launch-title/)
Title: Re: Pre-E3: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 02, 2012, 12:34:34 PM
Patent pics looks like they were inspired by Eternal Darkness....
Title: Re: Pre-E3: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: MegaByte on June 02, 2012, 12:56:28 PM
Old patent is old. Filing date: Jan 6, 2010 Issue date: Apr 19, 2011 Also dumb. All the patent says is that objects animate differently when you get close to them.
Title: Re: Pre-E3: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 02, 2012, 01:02:43 PM
Patent filed in 2010, by Dyack & Miyamoto using images that looks like they are from ED. Dyack hinting that he is making ED2 for Wii U
i think you already knew where that was going though.
Title: Re: Pre-E3: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: MegaByte on June 02, 2012, 01:20:29 PM
If you read the filing, it's just a minor update to the original filing, which was filed in 2001/2002, but not awarded until 2010.
Title: Re: Pre-E3: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 02, 2012, 02:15:35 PM
oh, i did not read the whole thing.
But them updating it, could mean they were working on something that used it, so I still lean towards a ED2 being in the works.
Title: Re: Pre-E3: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 02, 2012, 02:17:44 PM
Our first game from 2015 revealed https://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2012/06/01/human-element-revealed.aspx
HumanElement is a zombie horror survival game.
Title: Re: Pre-E3: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: MegaByte on June 02, 2012, 02:52:09 PM
Our first game from 2015 revealed https://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2012/06/01/human-element-revealed.aspx (https://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2012/06/01/human-element-revealed.aspx)
HumanElement is a zombie horror survival game.
ugg i've been burned out on the whole zombie theme for about 5 years now
Title: Re: Pre-E3: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 02, 2012, 03:08:17 PM
I agree. It looks WAY too similar to the box art for Wii games, and with the names of the consoles already being similar as it is, going further and making the game boxes also look similar isn't a good thing.
Title: Re: Pre-E3: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: MegaByte on June 02, 2012, 03:18:58 PM
At the very least, they'd flip the logo to the other side like with the 3DS, but considering they already recognize that that wasn't really a sufficient differentiator, they will probably do something more substantial. https://twitter.com/DaAuraWolf/status/208953208134057985/photo/1/large <-- I wonder if we might even see a substantial case design change.
Title: Re: Pre-E3: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Sarail on June 02, 2012, 05:11:54 PM
I really hope for Blu-ray sized cases. Isn't that the media format (or very similar) that we'll be using?
God, I loved those Japanese GameCube cases...
Title: Re: Pre-E3: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Adrock on June 02, 2012, 05:41:35 PM
I really hope for Blu-ray sized cases. Isn't that the media format (or very similar) that we'll be using?
That's a really good idea. A different sized case will draw attention to Wii U games being different than the previous generation. Nintendo should still try to differentiate the insert design but making the actual cases a completely different size will help immensely, certainly more than how 3DS cases are simply slightly slimmer (and white).
Title: Re: Pre-E3: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 02, 2012, 08:07:41 PM
They could at least change the color of the cases from white to black or any color really (as long as it isn't purple ;) ). I personally wouldn't mind if they had the cases be a shiny metallic or even gold color... that would really make the Wii U games stand out on the shelves and grab people's attention, and who doesn't like shiny silver or gold as a color? But barring that, black would also be fine... that's a pretty neutral color that few would hate and is the opposite of white so no one would be confused.
Title: Re: Pre-E3: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Ceric on June 03, 2012, 12:08:47 AM
I say go Minimilistic.
Actually I would like to see a U shaped case. Have a DS sized Manual.
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So that the Disk would be at the curve of the U and the manual be at the top Square part and they overlap a little bit.
Title: Re: Pre-E3: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 03, 2012, 05:19:51 PM
Sonic & Allstar Racing: Transformed revealed for Wii U http://www.sonicstadium.org/2012/06/alternate-sasr-transformed-trailer-officially-reveals-wii-u-version/ (http://www.sonicstadium.org/2012/06/alternate-sasr-transformed-trailer-officially-reveals-wii-u-version/) (http://i.imgur.com/dHyGZ.png)
trailer was removed afterwards
Title: Re: Pre-E3: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 10, 2012, 02:17:48 PM
Netflix on Wii U http://m.g1.globo.com/tecnologia/E3/2012/noticia/2012/06/no-wii-u-filmes-do-netflix-podem-ser-assistidos-em-tela-do-controle.html
You can switch between the tv and the umote as you please. Pics at the link
Title: Re: Pre-E3: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Adrock on June 10, 2012, 02:36:02 PM
/fap
Great news!
Title: Re: Pre-E3: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Kairon on June 10, 2012, 03:17:08 PM
I know they explicitly announced Netflix, Hulu, Youtube, and Amazon Video support, but it's great to hear more about it.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Ian Sane on June 12, 2012, 01:28:26 PM
Lame looking kids game, white DVD case, Wii logo in the corner. Looks like a typical Wii game. If you mixed Wii U games with that kind of cover with Wii games on a shelf it would take effort for me to spot the Wii U games. I could spot the difference between PS1, 2 and 3 games from across the room.
CNN thought the Wii U was a peripheral for the Wii and Nintendo was demoing the real system to them. With THAT case and the current system design, no one but the most hardcore is going to know this is a new system... unless Nintendo really hits everyone over the head with "this is a new system, not a Wii accessory" in their ads. I hope for their sake that this is just some mock-up done by a store or web site unaffiliated with Nintendo.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Louieturkey on June 12, 2012, 02:04:01 PM
Our first game from 2015 revealed https://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2012/06/01/human-element-revealed.aspx (https://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2012/06/01/human-element-revealed.aspx)
HumanElement is a zombie horror survival game.
ugg i've been burned out on the whole zombie theme for about 5 years now
From reading that article, it seems less about the zombies and more about the choices you make with other humans. It sounds like it'll be closer to Last of Us than Resident Evil.
Title: Wii U on Late Nite w/ Jimmy Fallon
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 17, 2012, 10:11:50 AM
Reggie makes an appearance on Late Night with Jimmiy Fallon on Friday night to wrap up Videogames week.
But Jimmy accidentally calls Wii U "Something you add to your Wii" https://www.dropbox.com/s/v99rhmt6zd4q64p/Fallon-WiiU.m4v (https://www.dropbox.com/s/v99rhmt6zd4q64p/Fallon-WiiU.m4v)
which is all good, because Reggie later cam and directly called it a brand new system.
Reggie shows off a little Nintendo Land (Ninja Castle) & Zombi U (Zombification of Jimmy Fallon's face)
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: TJ Spyke on June 17, 2012, 11:21:20 AM
Not really surprised Fallon screwed up and got something wrong. Glad Nintendo is out there advertising Wii U on mainstream shows.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Adrock on June 17, 2012, 02:08:01 PM
Unfortunately, Reggie can't be there every time someone messes things like this up. The fact that Nintendo made these specific choices is the part that boggles my mind. This shouldn't even be an issue. It's entirely self-inflicted.
Title: NFS: Most Wanted U?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 17, 2012, 10:27:37 PM
LinkedIn profile from EA UK, aka Criterion, may hint towards NFS: Most Wanted coming to Wii U http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=6727889 (http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=6727889)
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Compétences et expertise
C C++ C# ARM PowerPC MIPS X86 68K WPF XAML MEL PS3 360 Wii Wii-U PC Mac PSP NDS iOS
now mix that with Amazon France listing the game for Wii U http://www.amazon.fr/Need-for-Speed-most-wanted/dp/B0088XLFQE (http://www.amazon.fr/Need-for-Speed-most-wanted/dp/B0088XLFQE)
And we may have just been tipped off to another upcoming game announcement
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Evan_B on June 18, 2012, 04:15:33 PM
I don't know if I should post this here, but this PR guy gives "the bad answer" in regards to the "Is the Wii U more powerful than the PS360?" question... (http://www.gamespot.com/news/wii-u-message-confusing-nintendo-6383049)
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: BranDonk Kong on June 18, 2012, 04:56:47 PM
Nintendo should fire their PR department.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Kairon on June 18, 2012, 04:59:34 PM
I miss Perrin.
Title: Re: Wii U on Late Nite w/ Jimmy Fallon
Post by: tendoboy1984 on June 18, 2012, 08:44:37 PM
Reggie shows off a little Nintendo Land (Ninja Castle) & Zombi U (Zombification of Jimmy Fallon's face)
Really? He couldn't show the game's actual gameplay? He just had to show a useless camera gimmick?
It was an extremely short presentation. Reggie talked about the gameplay over some footage of the CG trailer that was the same as the one Nintendo showed in the press conference.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: cubist on June 18, 2012, 10:30:37 PM
It wasn't all that bad. Reggie did a great job on Fallon (as he usually does). Seriously though, the Wii U's ability to have Arkham and Assassin's Creed III automatically makes this launch 100 times better than the waggle fest of the last generation.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: shingi_70 on June 19, 2012, 09:34:58 AM
O think Reggie Dod a good job. The gallon segment convinced me pf nimtendoland giving me two reasons to buy a wii u that and ZombU. Everything else they have shown weren't reasons to get a wii u or show off the controller well.
Is Netflix switching. Between the Tv and tablet as well as controlling it from the tablet that Mubarak of a bog deal. I imagine smartglass will be able to do that as well.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: shingi_70 on June 19, 2012, 09:39:48 AM
It wasn't all that bad. Reggie did a great job on Fallon (as he usually does). Seriously though, the Wii U's ability to have Arkham and Assassin's Creed III automatically makes this launch 100 times better than the waggle fest of the last generation.
But batman is year old game who's only advantage seems to be hey dawg we heard you like 90s comics so we gave batman and catwoman people built around mobility stupid looking armor and wait you can control the your gear with motion.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: ShyGuy on June 19, 2012, 09:59:08 AM
I like 90s comics.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: MysticGohan on June 19, 2012, 03:42:35 PM
^^ I'll have what he's having!
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: shingi_70 on June 19, 2012, 04:15:36 PM
Oh I like 90s comics and don't really see the stigma about them (helps I was born in 92 and didn't look at comics until bendis marvel era and reading monthlies until DCNU)
But ill say the 90s had some crappy costume design.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Ian Sane on June 19, 2012, 04:35:35 PM
Well I'm late to the "Jimmy Fallon thought it was a Wii accessory when Reggie is specifically showing it to him" party but HAHAHAHAHAHA!! Okay, Nintendo, change the fucking packaging or the system's colour or SOMETHING. Both CNN and Fallon got this wrong. It's clearly going to be a problem. If they named it something without "Wii" in the title NO ONE would goof this up. As much as I hated the Nintendo Stream name at least no one would think that was a Wii accessory. Nintendo has to be stupid or stubborn to ignore this. The system isn't out yet! You still have time to fix this!
The "bad answer" regarding the specs was really just him avoiding the question all together. The truly bad answer would be "this is about on par with the PS3". Of course I fear Nintendo's silence and "we just want to concentrate on the games" excuses points to inferior specs that will come across as last gen compared to the 720 and PS4. Nintendo is either intentionally hiding the specs because they're weak or they're too stupid to realize that that is exactly what their actions look like and that that is not a good thing. Nothing would address the issue better than to have specs that look like they'll compete in the longrun and to confirm that they have them. If you have the bucket of water, why not put out the fire? The natural assumption is that you don't put the fire out because you can't.
Aside from "yes, we have the specs and they're awesome" there is no way to not give a bad answer to this question.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Adrock on June 19, 2012, 05:24:17 PM
Right now, we know from 3rd parties that Wii U is more powerful than current generation consoles. I don't think that's the problem. Wii U might be "weak" compared to hardware that won't see the light of day until at least 18 months from now, probably longer. Nintendo's bird/garden tech demo last year was graphically more impressive than anything I've seen on current home consoles and it was real time so Wii U games can look at least as good, probably better. That said, I think Nintendo is really trying to take a stand here on the whole graphics thing. Nothing we haven't heard before. However, I think they can do a better job of conveying their message. I think a better statement would be, "We're proud of the hardware that AMD and IBM built for us. The specs are impressive, but I'm telling you guys, they don't matter. Look at our new controller. Isn't it something? It's going to change the way we play videogames forever. We've had discussions with our 3rd party partners for well over a year. They know what the Wii U can do, but what they always come back to is how they can use the GamePad. You guys are in for some pretty exciting stuff." That lays it on pretty thick. However, it addresses the issue, but quickly steers the focus back on what Nintendo wants people to pay attention to: the controller.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 19, 2012, 06:13:35 PM
Nintendo's bird/garden tech demo last year was graphically more impressive than anything I've seen on current home consoles and it was real time so Wii U games can look at least as good, probably better.
Wasn't that bird demo thing from last year pre-rendered?
Even that statement wouldn't be so bad, until you consider the sort of games Nintendo wants to concentrate on. Its not like Wii Fit U or Nintendo Land are going to require a beast of a machine to pull off. I'm sure they will be a huge step up from the N64 quality graphics of games like Wii Sports, but that's nothing to brag about.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Ian Sane on June 19, 2012, 06:44:48 PM
Regardless of what Nintendo thinks is important, we want to know the tech specs and we have a good reason for wanting to know them so COUGH THEM UP.
This isn't just arbitrary curiousity. I feel my Wii experience was seriously tarnished by Nintendo's decision to go so weak on the specs. That right there completely destroyed any chance of having decent third party support. I do not want that to happen again. So specs matter. I'm not going to even begin to consider buying a Wii U until I find out those specs. I'm not some hardcore technophile hung up over trivial matters here. Last gen they said "specs don't matter" and that was a load of ****! I'm not getting conned again. The whole reason anyone gives a **** is because they don't want to a system that's a gen behind like the Wii was. That's a totally legitimate reason to ask what the specs are. For all Nintendo's talk about winning back the core, they sure don't act like it.
They either are hiding obviously inferior specs or they're too stupid to realize that core gamers want to know the specs specificaly to see if this is just the Wii Part 2 or if things will be different this time. If the specs are good there is no harm in revealing them. All it could do would be good PR with the core gamers they supposedly want to win back.
And no one is going to completely write off the Gamepad because Nintendo revealed the specs. How are the two even related? I think Nintendo's failure to demonstrate the Gamepad as anything worthwhile at E3 has done more damage. "Nevermind the specs. Look at our new controller! It... um... lets you put the map on the second screen and... uh... is useful for the sort of shallow mini-games that our detractors crapped all over the Wii for."
Usually if a company is all "nevermind that, look at this" it means that this is the replacement for that. They're likely pushing the Gamepad because that's the tradeoff for better specs, like motion control was the tradeoff for better specs on the Wii. They're talking like it's specs vs. Gamepad, like they couldn't have a console with up-to-date specs that also has the tablet controller. And in terms of price that is probably true but you're not going to win over anyone that wrote off the Wii with the exact same strategy on the Wii U.
What they really should want to be able to say is that the Wii U isn't impressive just because of the specs but also because of the new controller. It's this PLUS MORE! If you could say that, you would, unless you can't or you're stupid. For a company that says they want to be an "and" company, they tend to say "but" and "or" a fair lot.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: nickmitch on June 19, 2012, 06:55:34 PM
Hasn't Nintendo always had a policy of not talking about specs? I don't think they're purposefully hiding the specs, just going about business as usual. However, I think now is probably the best time to change that policy though.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Adrock on June 19, 2012, 07:11:25 PM
Wasn't that bird demo thing from last year pre-rendered?
My understanding was that the bird/garden demo was real-time. There are show floor videos from E3 2011 of people using the GamePad to "look around" which is actually pretty impressive when you think about it because that means the Wii U is rendering the scene twice, once in HD on the TV then again in SD while also sending it to the GamePad with no lag. I don't know how many games would be able to use that practically in a gameplay sense, but it's nice trick to show off what can be done. On top of that, the entire demo was running on early development kits so the final hardware should be even more capable than that. According to this site (http://www.nintengen.com/2011/06/wii-u-garden-demo-had-better-graphics.html) which did comparisons, the demo on the show floor showed more real-time effects than the demo during Nintendo press conference.
What? Yes, it is. Everything about it is arbitrary. I understand that some people want to know. Personally, I don't need to know. I wouldn't understand what half of that stuff means anyway. The specs don't matter on other consoles either. I never once played a PS3 game and said, "Man, they sure did make good use of those SPEs." You don't play specs; you play games. Any seasoned gamer can play a game and tell whether or not the developer gave a ****, regardless of how capable the hardware was.
Like I said, 3rd parties (specifically Gearbox Software, I believe) have already outed Wii U's hardware as more powerful than the current generation. How much better? Does it matter at this point in June 2012? Sony and Microsoft haven't showed their next-gen hands yet so the only point of reference are the current consoles which Wii U is better than.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Ian Sane on June 19, 2012, 07:18:44 PM
I believe Nintendo's "policy" started with the Wii, which of course was a system where the specs were embarassingly weak and they had a clear incentive to hide them. I don't remember if they were open about the DS or not but I remember the GBA and Gamecube reveals and you could go to Nintendo's web site and see the specs plain as day. They have not always hid them.
Though even if that is now their policy I would argue that this is a good system to make an exception on because the Wii was weak on specs, there is concern that that will be the case again, and revealing the specs would address those concerns. No one assumed that the 3DS would be underpowered by handheld standards because the DS wasn't so keeping quiet didn't really matter. But this time it matters. They should want people to not think this is going to be under-powered like the Wii was. They should make the exception to squash a negative assumption that is being made about their new system.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Ian Sane on June 19, 2012, 07:27:26 PM
What? Yes, it is. Everything about it is arbitrary. I understand that some people want to know. Personally, I don't need to know. I wouldn't understand what half of that stuff means anyway. The specs don't matter on other consoles either. I never once played a PS3 game and said, "Man, they sure did make good use of those SPEs." You don't play specs; you play games. Any seasoned gamer can play a game and tell whether or not the developer gave a ****, regardless of how capable the hardware was.
How is it arbitrary? I gave a reason. "Arbitrary" means it has no reason. You don't play specs you play games... but no one makes games for shitty last gen specs. I wasn't upset that I didn't get to play specs on the Wii. I was upset that I didn't get to play all those GAMES that were on the other systems but NOT the Wii because the Wii's specs were too damn inferior in comparison. So upset was I in missing those actual existent GAMES that I felt I had to buy a PS3. The Wii's inferior specs cost Wii owners GAMES. It isn't just some technophile obsession. If the specs are too low the third parties will exclude the Wii U just like they excluded the Wii. That means less GAMES TO PLAY.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Adrock on June 19, 2012, 07:50:04 PM
Though even if that is now their policy I would argue that this is a good system to make an exception on...
Lulz. It's not a policy if you make exceptions to it. Apply that reasoning to anything else, like a job for example. "Well, we normally don't condone stealing here, but we'll make an exception just this one time. Take as many ink cartridges as you need. Also, we know you've been sending Laura pictures of your penis which is grounds for termination, but we're going to let that slide as well. Just keep it to 2 dick pictures per week please."
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: shingi_70 on June 19, 2012, 07:55:22 PM
Will the Wii U really be uunnder powered compared to the rest of next gen. I mean looking at the leaked xbox slides ot seems a stretch to do all what they want to do while having uber power. And can Sony even afford to to balls out crazy again?
I'm expecting a xbox/PS2/Gamecube type of gen.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Ian Sane on June 19, 2012, 08:03:09 PM
Though even if that is now their policy I would argue that this is a good system to make an exception on...
Lulz. It's not a policy if you make exceptions to it. Apply that reasoning to anything else, like a job for example. "Well, we normally don't condone stealing here, but we'll make an exception just this one time. Take as many ink cartridges as you need. Also, we know you've been sending Laura pictures of your penis which is grounds for termination, but we're going to let that slide as well. Just keep it to 2 dick pictures per week please."
I'm using "arbitrary" in the manner in which one decides something seemingly randomly. Should I said "randomly" instead? I'm saying this isn't something I care about "just because" or because I'm merely curious, but because I consider it to be an important piece of information and I have some reasonable justification for asking for it. It isn't just "urr, I want to know so tell me."
As for policy, "sorry that's our policy" is bullshit. Nintendo's policy is stupid to begin with. You make exceptions for a policy when the policy ceases to make sense. In this case hiding the specs is completely counter-intuitive when the very people you claim you're trying to win back want to know the specs to make sure they're not underpowered like they were the previous time.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Sarail on June 19, 2012, 10:23:14 PM
Hasn't Nintendo always had a policy of not talking about specs? I don't think they're purposefully hiding the specs, just going about business as usual. However, I think now is probably the best time to change that policy though.
Nope. Only since the Wii has Nintendo stopped doing this. Specs were released for the 'Cube, and I very distinctly remember reading about specs and getting excited for the N64 back in '95 when I was just 13 measly years old. :)
Nintendo's thought process changed with the Wii.
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I'm expecting a xbox/PS2/Gamecube type of gen.
And I'm honestly ok with that. I <3 my 'Cube. :)
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 19, 2012, 10:27:45 PM
Remember the N64? That was a system Nintendo actually went out of their way to rub the specs in people's faces. They even made sure to drive home the fact it was "64-bit" by going so far as to proudly integrate that fact into the name of the system.
With the Wii? Not so much. The Wii actually lives up to its name though, because it is "Wee" in terms of its specs and power. That's why Nintendo is silent about the specs and saying they "don't matter". When your Wii is "wee" you don't want to draw a lot of attention to it, because it is embarrassing.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 19, 2012, 10:34:01 PM
I don't particularly care about them releasing specs, because very little useful information can be gotten from them. Developers raving about it is infinitely more valuable for judging its power than hard numbers.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 19, 2012, 10:40:49 PM
Don't get me wrong, its great that developers are praising and raving about the Wii U.... BUT the concern I have is this praise is coming from developers who have only worked with 7th generation hardware. The fact they are impressed with the Wii U is great, because that suggests the Wii U is more powerful than anything currently on the market, but the problem is the 8th generation is right around the corner. Will these same developers still be raving about the Wii U in 2014? That's the concern that I'm having. I'm sure there was a lot of favorable impressions of the Dreamcast coming from developers in 1999, but where was that enthusiasm in 2001?
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 19, 2012, 10:43:22 PM
But how does knowing the specs benefit you in that case? We don't have the specs of Sony and Microsoft's next consoles, so we, like those developers, would have nothing to compare them to.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Spak-Spang on June 19, 2012, 11:19:16 PM
Developers are raving about it now...but developers will be raving about the Xbox 360 and PS4 also.
I don't care about specs as long as there are fun games...period. And actually Nintendo never really talked about actual specs only vague descriptions. For instance did we know the RAM of the Nintendo 64 or SNES? No, only the bit rates.
The SNES did talk about a dedicated Sound card, but that is about it.
Vague descriptions at best. This is normal. Treating a game machine like a computer is not normal...that matters less to me than games.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 20, 2012, 12:48:29 AM
In the GameCube/PS2/Xbox generation all the talk was of how many polygons they could render. I remember a comparison table in EGM in the GameCube/Xbox launch issue comparing the technical attributes of the systems, and the GameCube's numbers all had asterisks next to them because the Xbox and PS2 numbers were theoretical maximums but the numbers Nintendo gave were all things they'd seen done in practice, and were therefore significantly lower. So even back then Nintendo wasn't very good at touting the abilities of their hardware.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Spak-Spang on June 20, 2012, 01:29:46 AM
It is because Nintendo doesn't care about the numbers...they NEVER, EVER have. They only care about the games. Nintendo wanted to show what was actually possible and achievable.
Nintendo in the SNES era talked about 16bits because that had a significant boost on game quality. They also talked about a dedicated sound chip which was important, because it really add a significant boost to sound effects and quality in a system.
Now, the Nintendo 64 era, Nintendo did talk about 64 bit...and they didn't really mention polygon pushing power or effects, or anything. What I remember Nintendo touting though was 4 controller ports built into the system...and the eventual 4 MEG RAM expansion which what...doubled the RAM to 8 or something silly like that. Maybe it upped it to 12 MEGS RAM...I can't remember.
But, Nintendo never cares about specs, just like the Wii should...it was about the innovative controller, the Wii U shows us...it is about the innovative controller...and the Super Wii We, will also be about some future innovation...probably related to the controller.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 20, 2012, 07:07:25 AM
But how does knowing the specs benefit you in that case? We don't have the specs of Sony and Microsoft's next consoles, so we, like those developers, would have nothing to compare them to.
It would be comforting to see that the Wii U doesn't just surpass the PS360, but does so with a considerable margin. Just being about on par with the PS360 or beating them by a small margin is the thing that worries me. Seeing that there is a huge leap forward would be reassuring. Of course we don't know what the PS420 specs are and I wouldn't expect the Wii U to be able to beat that, but as long as its far ahead of the 7th generation consoles that would be good enough.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Adrock on June 20, 2012, 08:02:29 AM
I don't really see this being a major problem as long as Nintendo can lock up 3rd party support for simultaneous releases. Nintendo is on a different timetable as Sony and Microsoft. I remember reading in, I think, an old EGM that Nintendohas a company policy to support their home consoles for at least 5 years (even if that last year is usually transitionary). Nintendo was the only company that really needed to launch new hardware. Depending on when Sony and Microsoft launch (I think 2014 is more likely), Wii U is positioned to spend roughly the 1st half of its life next to PS3/360 and the second half next to their successors. It really depends on if 3rd parties want to make the transition to more powerful hardware. There's certainly reason for them to want to hold off for as long as possible. Current hardware isn't necessarily limiting them creatively. Development costs are still high and many studios are falling off the map. Will the graphics in Orbis/Durango be enough of a jump to justify spending the money to get the most out of it? Will there be advantages beyond the hardware? With Wii U, they're just porting even if they're not coming close to getting the most out of the extra power. It's less of a risk, investment and hassle. Nintendo isn't in a terrible position here.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 20, 2012, 08:13:45 AM
The same basic thing is happening on handhelds right now. The 3DS is a modest improvement on the PSP, while the Vita is much more powerful. The 3DS had a head start. Developers, in Japan at least, are overwhelmingly favoring the 3DS.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: shingi_70 on June 20, 2012, 10:16:49 AM
Well the 3DS made more sense to devs because it has the power of the PSP and is similar to something they have worked on before with the popularity of the OG DS. That and I'm sure that most are reluctant to move to vita after the major power jump on consoles didn't work out for most developers and the move to handhelds was to help keep costs down.
But on consoles side I think most devs will switch over to the Durango/Orbits anyway. Unlike the handheld sector Western development is the major player in the console space and with most of Japanese puns floundering or becoming increasingly smaller it makes sense that next gen will once again be about power and mid-teir devlopmemt going to download services.
And while nintendo does usually tend to do a 5 year development cycle I think trying to pull that off this time around could backfire on them.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Ian Sane on June 20, 2012, 01:13:31 PM
Handhelds are different. The 3DS is getting good support because the DS did and the 3DS is an obvious step up from the DS. The market is quite different in that exclusives still are the norm. The Wii had crappy third party support because with consoles multiplatform support is now the norm and if you have the weirdo console, you're left out.
The "Nintendo never cared about specs" stuff is complete revisionist history. They changed their tune with the Wii because it was different than their other systems. It's no different than how RPGs were awesome, until Nintendo didn't have them anymore so they sucked, but now they're good again (unless you're Reggie in which case they're bad until Gamestop steps in).
The specs thing probably would be less of an issue if Nintendo had some more impressive visuals in the games they showed at E3. Pikmin 3 and NSMB U clearly look better than Wii games but they wouldn't even stand out on the PS360. In the old days it wasn't necessarily the specs that sold me on the system but the first screens of the new games. I didn't need to know that the SNES was 16 bit because I could just look at Super Mario World and it was immediately obvious that this was a major step up from the NES. If Nintendo showed a real game (as opposed to a video) with visuals that blew away anything on the PS360 then I would be more confident without the specs. If Nintendo had not cheaped out on specs last time I wouldn't really care if they didn't provide them this time (unless the new games looked unimpressive which is what made me suspicious of the Wii when it was first shown).
I look at it like if the last time I went out with my friend he forgot his wallet. The next time we hang out I'm asking him "do you have your wallet?" and if he says some dodgy question like "what difference does it make?" then I'm going to make him pull the damn wallet out of his pocket and show it to my face. You goofed things last time, ensure me that you're not going to do so this time.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Adrock on June 20, 2012, 03:27:31 PM
I don't think Nintendo has changed their tune on the whole specs thing. They've always been pretty consistent about their view on the hardware's role in terms of software and that goes back to Hiroshi Yamauchi. He told Iwata that people "do not play with the game machine itself. They play with the software, and they are forced to purchase a game machine in order to use the software. Therefore the price of the machine should be as cheap as possible." The roots of this line of thinking were planted well before the Wii. Additionally, look who's been in charge of their entire software division for nearly 2 decades. Miyamoto was hired in 1979 as an artist yet he's always deemphasized aesthetics. He has never made games with graphics as the main priority. He makes them to be fun and finds inspiration for simple hobbies he's involved in. He's never been a specs guy.
Previously revealing specs doesn't really suggest that Nintendo ever really cared about the numbers. They've been thumping the "gameplay first" line for as long as I remember. They've traditionally released hardware that allowed them to make the games they wanted to make even if better hardware was available. Nintendo was never the kind of company that approached hardware with the intent to make a high spec machine. The improved specs were more a result of the passage of time and even then, they chose modest parts compared to what was available. Even 3DS which was made more powerful at the behest of 3rd parties is significantly weaker than it could have been. Nintendo could have made the 3DS as powerful as Vita as the technology exists; they chose not to.
The Wii was the 1st time Nintendo specifically built a console to be a lower spec machine. They saw where the industry was headed in terms of rising development costs and plateauing graphics so they took a stand. Sure, they were probably 5-10 years early on that front but they weren't caught with their pants down. They didn't build a machine, realize it was weak then claim specs don't matter. They intentionally built a low spec machine because of their philosophy on games that's carried over from generation to generation. Unfortunately, another thing that carried over was Nintendo's insistence that they can demand 3rd parties to follow their line of thinking despite no longer being in a position to do so. Fortunately, it seems Nintendo has significantly eased up on that with 3DS and Wii U.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Stogi on June 20, 2012, 04:52:19 PM
I think what everyone is forgetting is that the Wii U is suppose to be an upgrade machine, and not an entirely new system. What I mean by that is, Nintendo is looking to fix the mistakes made in the past while enticing previous Wii owners to upgrade with an excellent transitional strategy and new comers with a gimmick and spec bump.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Adrock on June 20, 2012, 05:08:36 PM
Wouldn't that make every console an upgrade machine?
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Stogi on June 20, 2012, 05:14:09 PM
Not at all. This is the iPhone strategy at work.
Most new systems don't allow you to use your old controllers, and especially don't build new games around them. Most new system don't allow you to take your entire previous catalog and play them using the new controller. And finally, most new systems do not look similar to their past counterparts, handhelds not withstanding.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: BranDonk Kong on June 20, 2012, 07:58:13 PM
That's not the iPhone strategy. The iPhone strategy is to offer minimal improvements over the previous model, once a year, and then provide OS updates that screw people that bought last year's model.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 21, 2012, 04:28:16 AM
iPhone OS upgrades don't screw over the people from the previous year. Hell, iOS 6 is supposed to do just fine on a 3GS, which came out three years ago
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Louieturkey on June 21, 2012, 05:03:37 PM
iPhone OS upgrades don't screw over the people from the previous year. Hell, iOS 6 is supposed to do just fine on a 3GS, which came out three years ago
They are supporting 3GS, but I can say that IOS 5 significantly slowed down my 3GS, which is what my wife uses now (she's getting the new iPhone this year). My 4S is running smooth on IOS5 and will probably do the same on IOS 6. When IOS 7 comes out, I expect my 4S will slow down. Each new version of IOS is optimized for the most recent hardware revision and it is shoehorned into previous versions.
But IOS and iPhone have nothing to do with the Wii and Wii U. If they worked the same, the Wii would be able to upgrade to the Wii U OS and play its games.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Ceric on June 21, 2012, 05:21:25 PM
The iPod Touch would like a world. Only the current generation is working with the new OS when an iPod Touch is really just ans iPhone without the Phone part. The iPhone enjoys the upgrades simply because they want to support the model until the last reasonable contract is up. You don't want to make someone made who is looking to replace there old phone. iPad 2 there still selling.
Anything that can have a data contract with a wireless vendor is a bad example.
Though I agree that Wii to Wii U is a different beast.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: SixthAngel on June 21, 2012, 06:22:00 PM
iPhone OS upgrades don't screw over the people from the previous year. Hell, iOS 6 is supposed to do just fine on a 3GS, which came out three years ago
The older Iphones don't have siri. Siri is not some processing powerhouse that required a new phone since there are similar programs on Android phones and this was apparently originally being developed as an app until Apple bought it.
I also don't believe any phone below 4S will have turn by turn directions when they come out in the next update probably because they are going to make it a big selling point of the next phone like they did siri.
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Post by: Oblivion on June 21, 2012, 07:20:52 PM
Siri isn't a must have feature, so that is a moot point.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Sarail on June 21, 2012, 07:42:01 PM
Unless you like gazpacho.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: BranDonk Kong on June 21, 2012, 10:03:50 PM
iPhone OS upgrades don't screw over the people from the previous year. Hell, iOS 6 is supposed to do just fine on a 3GS, which came out three years ago
Like I said in another thread, a jailbroken 3GS can run Siri perfectly, and so can an iPhone 4, but Apple won't let you. A jailbroken iPhone 4 can run face time just fine over 3G, and even Edge, but Apple won't let you. Now only the 4S and 5 will get navigation, even though a weak ass $50 phone from Metro running Android 2.1 can do it just fine via Google Maps. An iPhone 2G is perfectly capable of sending and receiving MMS, but Apple won't let you. Nintendo does not use the Apple model, and for that, we should all be thankful.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 21, 2012, 10:20:51 PM
iPhone OS upgrades don't screw over the people from the previous year. Hell, iOS 6 is supposed to do just fine on a 3GS, which came out three years ago
Like I said in another thread, a jailbroken 3GS can run Siri perfectly, and so can an iPhone 4, but Apple won't let you. A jailbroken iPhone 4 can run face time just fine over 3G, and even Edge, but Apple won't let you. Now only the 4S and 5 will get navigation, even though a weak ass $50 phone from Metro running Android 2.1 can do it just fine via Google Maps. An iPhone 2G is perfectly capable of sending and receiving MMS, but Apple won't let you. Nintendo does not use the Apple model, and for that, we should all be thankful.
A Homebrewed Wii can play DVD's, but Nintendo won't let you. A Homebrewed Wii can store and load data off of a HDD, Nintendo won't let you. A Homebrewed Wii can run apps directly off the SD card, Nintendo won't let you. Nintendo may not be using the "Apple Model", but they are sure using an Apple-like one. :) :P
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Spak-Spang on June 21, 2012, 11:10:20 PM
Actually BlackNMild you point something out that is important to understand.
Some of these limitations are not created because of the hardware creators, but because of licensing and partnerships.
Apple didn't allow facetime via 3G because AT&T and other partners didn't want the bandwidth eaten up with video chat...not to mention people realizing that video and internet phones are the future and the current cellphone plans being dictated to us SUCK.
Now, yes...Apple should have allowed Software upgrades to function on ALL hardware it is capable of. However, they are still a business...and businesses have to promote you buying new products. Nobody would have bought a 4S iphone if Siri would have worked with the old model. Unfortunately Apple, didn't have a compelling hardware upgrade for their phone, and just had a minor update with some really nifty software upgrades.
Actually, this is the problem with the Cellphone model wars. Every year and month a new greater phone is released...and not every year is it really worth upgrading your phone or computer for that matter. Not even every 2 years...the iphone 4S will be completely functional for all activities I would ever need a phone for...for at least 3-4 years. However, if a new model isn't made every year...people say Apple or Samsung, or whoever is out of touch and losing the market. And market perception is everything.
This is actually what killed Nintendo in the first play with the Wii...people assumed it wasn't worthy a true gaming system because of the casual market and lower powered specs.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 21, 2012, 11:15:40 PM
It's all coming together guys. Have you seen this yet? http://www.gamesradar.com/new-wii-u-console-overview-hardware-specs-and-controller-demoed/ (http://www.gamesradar.com/new-wii-u-console-overview-hardware-specs-and-controller-demoed/)
(http://i.imgur.com/1nfcn.jpg)
Does that Wii U have Coaxial In and Coaxial Out!!?
I wanted to look behind a Wii U @ E3, but they had them all boxed up and hidden in display units.
If that is what it looks like it is, then my idea of the gMote being the best universal remote ever has just been taken up a notch. Instead of just having TV guide info from the internet popup on the screen while you watch something up on the TV, the Wii U may act as your cable box (and DVR with optional HDD add-on?) and you can directly control the box and the TV all through your lovely Wii U.
It could be possible to watch multiple channels at the same time, one on the TV one on the gMote. It would lend some more wight to the rumors of teaming up with cable providers and turning the Wii U into a true multi-media box
This really could be a New Nintendo we see here, not just building a box that is capable, but actually letting it do anything that it is capable of. I don't even watch cable and that gets me all sorts of excited for the potential future of the Wii U.
or it could just be there for devkit units.... possibly to hardwire the controller and provide video to the screen in the gMotes. But let's go with the unspoilered option and hope it's the truth
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Spak-Spang on June 21, 2012, 11:42:43 PM
Actually I think this makes perfect sense.
If the Wii U is going to do things like let you control the TV as a remote, and play games while watching TV...it needs the cable system to go through it first...and then the TV. This actually has me all kinds of excited for the Wii U...Nintendo really seems to be creating a great all in one package.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 21, 2012, 11:56:16 PM
MCV has a 4 page article on Wii U http://content.yudu.com/A1w9wk/MCV220612/resources/index.htm?referrerUrl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mcvuk.com%2Fnews%2Fread%2Fea-nintendo-ubisoft-and-activision-talk-wii-u-in-the-new-mcv%2F098306
And EA says they have more games to announce.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: BranDonk Kong on June 22, 2012, 12:04:19 AM
iPhone OS upgrades don't screw over the people from the previous year. Hell, iOS 6 is supposed to do just fine on a 3GS, which came out three years ago
Like I said in another thread, a jailbroken 3GS can run Siri perfectly, and so can an iPhone 4, but Apple won't let you. A jailbroken iPhone 4 can run face time just fine over 3G, and even Edge, but Apple won't let you. Now only the 4S and 5 will get navigation, even though a weak ass $50 phone from Metro running Android 2.1 can do it just fine via Google Maps. An iPhone 2G is perfectly capable of sending and receiving MMS, but Apple won't let you. Nintendo does not use the Apple model, and for that, we should all be thankful.
A Homebrewed Wii can play DVD's, but Nintendo won't let you. A Homebrewed Wii can store and load data off of a HDD, Nintendo won't let you. A Homebrewed Wii can run apps directly off the SD card, Nintendo won't let you. Nintendo may not be using the "Apple Model", but they are sure using an Apple-like one. :) :P
I love you.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Ymeegod on June 22, 2012, 12:07:22 AM
? Nintendo hasn't stated the WII U had capture ability (video in) so I'm guessing that it's just an prototype. Also you wouldn't need dual Coaxial ports, better off with one HDMI input port nowadays since that's becoming the standard. You'll still need an cable box since all cable services have encrypted channels. If you're just trying to get over the air channels you'll still going need an HD tuner.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: ThePerm on June 22, 2012, 02:02:04 AM
you know, the wii u does look different. The name is a problem, and when they first showed it last year, i was wondering if it was a console or new accessory myself, but that was cleared up quickly because they were vaguae as **** about it. However a year has passed, and iffyuppies don't know by now then **** em'
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Ceric on June 22, 2012, 09:27:37 AM
First off I'm not surprised to see the Coaxial back there. In another interview that was posted they talked about Dad watching the news on the Gamepad. I at that point went from a good idea to probably being a feature.
? Nintendo hasn't stated the WII U had capture ability (video in) so I'm guessing that it's just an prototype. Also you wouldn't need dual Coaxial ports, better off with one HDMI input port nowadays since that's becoming the standard. You'll still need an cable box since all cable services have encrypted channels. If you're just trying to get over the air channels you'll still going need an HD tuner.
Coaxial is still king. All TV's support it all boxes support it. If Nintendo is doing DVR functions then it has an HD Tuner built into it or it simply couldn't record. I hope it would work for over the air. I was disappointed when the PS3 DVR stuff didn't make it to the states. This + DLNA Support + Netflix = Probably never turning on my PS3 again.
Now to comment on the important stuff. I hope the keep the industrial toggle switch. I do like me some toggle switches with that solid click that they have.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: shingi_70 on June 22, 2012, 12:08:14 PM
While this seems to be included I dont see it being a bog selling point. Not sure if any of the the cable guys will throw there support behind it. That and it would probably have leaked that nintendo were in talks woth the big guys. Comlare that to microsoft who has been pretty open and have partnerships with Uverse,Fios, comcast, and working on one with time warner already.
That and I don't beleive nintendo has thr branding/support/ecosystem/technical no how to make something like this work correctly. Bigger and Better guys have been trying to solve the living room problem and failed (Google,Apple) and the currently the most viable option is the xbox.
I hope nintendo knows what its doing because the wrong move could **** it up. That a d using thr Wii U as a TV remote has to be one of the dumb but late to the party.
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Post by: Tanookisuit on June 22, 2012, 12:37:13 PM
While this seems to be included I dont see it being a bog selling point. Not sure if any of the the cable guys will throw there support behind it. That and it would probably have leaked that nintendo were in talks woth the big guys. Comlare that to microsoft who has been pretty open and have partnerships with Uverse,Fios, comcast, and working on one with time warner already.
That and I don't beleive nintendo has thr branding/support/ecosystem/technical no how to make something like this work correctly. Bigger and Better guys have been trying to solve the living room problem and failed (Google,Apple) and the currently the most viable option is the xbox.
I hope nintendo knows what its doing because the wrong move could **** it up. That a d using thr Wii U as a TV remote has to be one of the dumb but late to the party.
Nope, you're right, it wouldn't be a "bog" selling point. Now, water-proof it, and that would be a sure-fire "bog" selling point!
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Kairon on June 22, 2012, 01:05:02 PM
? Nintendo hasn't stated the WII U had capture ability (video in) so I'm guessing that it's just an prototype. Also you wouldn't need dual Coaxial ports, better off with one HDMI input port nowadays since that's becoming the standard. You'll still need an cable box since all cable services have encrypted channels. If you're just trying to get over the air channels you'll still going need an HD tuner.
Yeah, it's really exciting speculation, but I'm not sold at all.
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Post by: Louieturkey on June 22, 2012, 03:47:36 PM
The fact that M$ is doing this exact same thing with Xbox tells me this is viable and if Nintendo can pull it off, I think it'll only help their cause. I use Directv so it probably won't work for me, but that doesn't mean I'm not excited about the possibilities this opens up.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: shingi_70 on June 22, 2012, 04:52:07 PM
The fact that M$ is doing this exact same thing with Xbox tells me this is viable and if Nintendo can pull it off, I think it'll only help their cause. I use Directv so it probably won't work for me, but that doesn't mean I'm not excited about the possibilities this opens up.
Oh I dont think its not impossible. The xbox recent sucess shown it is. I just dont think that nintendo can pull it off due to lack of eco system. I would llve to be pro en wrong though.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 22, 2012, 05:01:44 PM
Let's not forget Nintendo is the same company that pulled MP3 playback from the Wii, and never allowed DVD playback even though it was a simple feat to pull off. With that both being said, what makes it likely they would be capable of pulling off something like this?
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Ymeegod on June 22, 2012, 05:09:12 PM
"Coaxial is still king. All TV's support it all boxes support it"
No, it's only SD and it's the lowest quality. You already have an EDTV output (component) and HDTV (HDMI) so you're really only need an HDMI input to enjoy. The singal comes from an coaxial cable but then cable box uncompresses and removes the encryption from the cable box from there to get 1080P you'll need an HDMI cable or USB 3.0 (which should have enough bandwidth to carry 1080P).
Also, you do realize since E3 nintnedo already posted the specs for the system and neither an coaxial input or output was listed?
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 22, 2012, 05:11:21 PM
Let's not forget Nintendo is the same company that pulled MP3 playback from the Wii, and never allowed DVD playback even though it was a simple feat to pull off. With that both being said, what makes it likely they would be capable of pulling off something like this?
There's a difference between not being capable and being capable but choosing not to do it, and the examples you gave are of the latter.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 22, 2012, 06:00:04 PM
Let's not forget Nintendo is the same company that pulled MP3 playback from the Wii, and never allowed DVD playback even though it was a simple feat to pull off. With that both being said, what makes it likely they would be capable of pulling off something like this?
There's a difference between not being capable and being capable but choosing not to do it, and the examples you gave are of the latter.
I meant: "do they have the willpower to pull this off"? From a technical standpoint I know they could do it in theory, but would they have the WILL necessary to make it happen? Any smoker or obese person has the ability to quit or diet, but not all of them have the willpower and that's why they fail.
The way I look at it, "Capability" is a subset of what you are able to do and what you are willing to do. Nintendo undoubtedly has the able part, but are they also willing?
Another good example I should have used would be the Gamecube's modem thing. Nintendo had no technical problem putting that hardware out there, but they had zero willpower to actually make use of it. Is that coaxial input/output things we are seeing in that picture going to end up just like the Gamecube's network adapter thing? Something that physically exists, yet might as well not exist considering how unused it is.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 22, 2012, 06:03:18 PM
Okay fine, if you change the definition of capable then you're right, they weren't capable.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 22, 2012, 06:07:53 PM
If someone isn't willing to do something it effectively means they are incapable of doing it. It doesn't matter what kind of obstacle prevents you from doing something. Even if its something that exists only in your mind (willpower), then it still makes you unable to do it.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: shingi_70 on June 22, 2012, 06:22:05 PM
Let's not forget Nintendo is the same company that pulled MP3 playback from the Wii, and never allowed DVD playback even though it was a simple feat to pull off. With that both being said, what makes it likely they would be capable of pulling off something like this?
There's a difference between not being capable and being capable but choosing not to do it, and the examples you gave are of the latter.
Wouldn't you consider being able to do something but not doing it. (Mp3s,dvds,blurays) a detriment to the platform.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 22, 2012, 06:31:59 PM
Let's not forget Nintendo is the same company that pulled MP3 playback from the Wii, and never allowed DVD playback even though it was a simple feat to pull off. With that both being said, what makes it likely they would be capable of pulling off something like this?
There's a difference between not being capable and being capable but choosing not to do it, and the examples you gave are of the latter.
Wouldn't you consider being able to do something but not doing it. (Mp3s,dvds,blurays) a detriment to the platform.
Not necessarily. Even in 2006 most people already had more than enough devices that could play DVDs or MP3s, and so it probably wasn't worth the extra cost to include features most people wouldn't use.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Adrock on June 22, 2012, 06:43:25 PM
Just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should or need to.
I get why Nintendo is still holding off on the DVD/Blu Ray playback thing despite their fight to stop the issue of "alone together." If you have a disc in the system, you reduce the chances of someone playing a videogame with the GamePad even with digital downloads.
On a related note, I wonder if you can run Netflix and play a game at the same time.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Ceric on June 22, 2012, 06:48:23 PM
"Coaxial is still king. All TV's support it all boxes support it"
No, it's only SD and it's the lowest quality. ...
Wrong. I get full Dolby Digital 5.1 Surround Sound and 1080P crystal clear picture from... wait for it... My Coaxial cable connected to my Antenna.
There aren't any 1080p broadcasts in the US. Either way, coaxial cables can do it. The older cables couldn't because they existed in the past. Newer ones are notably thicker and can do it.
Let's not forget Nintendo is the same company that pulled MP3 playback from the Wii, and never allowed DVD playback even though it was a simple feat to pull off. With that both being said, what makes it likely they would be capable of pulling off something like this?
There's a difference between not being capable and being capable but choosing not to do it, and the examples you gave are of the latter.
Wouldn't you consider being able to do something but not doing it. (Mp3s,dvds,blurays) a detriment to the platform.
Not necessarily. Even in 2006 most people already had more than enough devices that could play DVDs or MP3s, and so it probably wasn't worth the extra cost to include features most people wouldn't use.
The "all-in-one" device still holds a ton of appeal. It may not be needed but it's still a strong selling point.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 22, 2012, 07:00:33 PM
I seriously doubt the Wii having DVD playback would have had any meaningful impact on sales.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: nickmitch on June 22, 2012, 07:06:37 PM
DVD by itself? Probably not. DVD and Blu-Ray? Quite possibly.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 22, 2012, 07:23:57 PM
I don't think there are enough people that care about Bluray for it to be worth it. Stuff like Netflix and Hulu are way more important to the average consumer, and they don't require licensing fees to include.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 22, 2012, 07:32:21 PM
Let's not forget Nintendo is the same company that pulled MP3 playback from the Wii, and never allowed DVD playback even though it was a simple feat to pull off. With that both being said, what makes it likely they would be capable of pulling off something like this?
There's a difference between not being capable and being capable but choosing not to do it, and the examples you gave are of the latter.
Wouldn't you consider being able to do something but not doing it. (Mp3s,dvds,blurays) a detriment to the platform.
Not necessarily. Even in 2006 most people already had more than enough devices that could play DVDs or MP3s, and so it probably wasn't worth the extra cost to include features most people wouldn't use.
By the same token, a lot of people today also have cable boxes and DVRs... so doesn't the same logic apply?
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 22, 2012, 07:37:34 PM
Probably. The universal remote stuff is cool, and if they can hook up to the cable box to get it to work with that as well it would be neat, but replacing the box or the DVR itself seems unnecessary.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: shingi_70 on June 22, 2012, 07:47:48 PM
Probably. The universal remote stuff is cool, and if they can hook up to the cable box to get it to work with that as well it would be neat, but replacing the box or the DVR itself seems unnecessary.
It may seem that may but for most tech companies its the goal. And there are some benefits on the consumer end aswell.
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Post by: Ymeegod on June 22, 2012, 09:01:40 PM
Ceric there is no 1080P OTA in the US at this time, most likely it's just 720P upscaled by your TV's internal tuner.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: shingi_70 on June 22, 2012, 10:05:30 PM
While this seems to be included I dont see it being a bog selling point. Not sure if any of the the cable guys will throw there support behind it. That and it would probably have leaked that nintendo were in talks woth the big guys. Comlare that to microsoft who has been pretty open and have partnerships with Uverse,Fios, comcast, and working on one with time warner already.
You should read the post after the OP http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=37892.msg735614#msg735614 <-- Reply #1 that was rumored a long time ago.
Under Feb 2012: Nintendo to make Wii U a media centerpiece!? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg720529#msg720529)
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That a d using thr Wii U as a TV remote has to be one of the dumb but late to the party.
I'm not 100% sure what you were saying there, but it sounded negative towards the idea I'm most excited about. uNiversal gMote.
If Nintendo is finally willing to accept the non-gaming applications of it's technology, then that can only mean great things for those of us that want to use it nor more than gaming. I would love to have more reasons to pick up my wiimotes, such as turning on the TV, changing the channel.... and then what the hell, maybe I'll play a game since the controller is already in my hand.
Nintendo has been trying to find a way to bring gaming into your everyday life, and MS has been trying to find a way to take over the livingroom before Sony realized what they were capable of if they pooled all their resources into one product. Nintendo may have done both by turning the controller into the centerpiece of your living room. Now the Wii U is an integral piece of your entertainment center and is used to do everything from watch TV, surf the internet, and play games, together, alone, or alone together. So where you see "dumb, late to the party", I see ingenious and very forward thinking.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: shingi_70 on June 22, 2012, 10:58:19 PM
I don't mean to sound negative. Its just that I find controlling the the tv with the gamepad kind of odd when they have a remote which is argubly the best possible thing for that. That and more and more yourbeingable to control stuff with your phone that the idea of using a big gamepad doesn't seem as cool. And the living room thing is more about the services avaible and how you acess them.
That and going from voice/touch to just touch seems like a major downgarde.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Evan_B on June 22, 2012, 11:04:56 PM
I really do see the Wii U as a "coffee-table device" because it can do so much to interact with the TV and turn it from being a cable receiver into... well, a media center. That Nintendo would kind of take the idea of the television being the central place a family gathers and try to integrate all these functions into their console to emulate that idea... it's a very ingenious concept.
Iwata's Pre-E3 Nintendo Direct really nailed it- with tablets, smartphones, and laptops, you have a lot of portability, but not a lot of connection. But the TV can really be a gateway to connectivity, and Nintendo intends to nail that down. All of their media features- Netflix, Hulu, Internet... it's all an attempt to make the TV into a communication device. Hell, video-chatting with people on the TV screen is probably one of the smartest ideas they came up with- Skype and whatnot may be nice, but being able to have someone up on the TV screen must be very connecting. And you can stream that video to your tablet and pick it up to go.
Nintendo seems to be taking all the elements of a PC and merging them with a game console to truly create a home entertainment system. It could be just as uniting as a family console as it could for individual gamers. Its an attempt to bring something very "high tech" in nature, and interconnectedness of all your house features, to a single device.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Ceric on June 22, 2012, 11:23:02 PM
And there is the possability of gettting a skype app for wii u (though if microsoft was smart they would keep it xbox only)
But having the wii u tablet does bring in new possabilites to the table. Depending on how well the wii u can multitask say I'm playing mario and people come in to use netflix. I switch to netflix and let it play on the tv while I finish mario on the tablet.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Evan_B on June 22, 2012, 11:44:22 PM
And there is the possability of gettting a skype app for wii u (though if microsoft was smart they would keep it xbox only)
But having the wii u tablet does bring in new possabilites to the table. Depending on how well the wii u can multitask say I'm playing mario and people come in to use netflix. I switch to netflix and let it play on the tv while I finish mario on the tablet.
I know this, but again, I think it's about multitasking, as you said. And it's also about the Wii name being one that a lot of casual gamers respond to. They may not take advantage of all the possibilities that the xBox or PS3 has to offer, but the friendly OS and image of Nintendo may convince them to do otherwise.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: shingi_70 on June 23, 2012, 12:08:07 AM
The xbox has grown considerable in brand minshare, its still not touching the wii. That as a really big advantge point and I do agree with the ui. I was talking to someone about fitness software and compaing the nike+ kinect to wii fit u. And the person pretty much said that they were getting wii fit u because of the more friendly and easy going menus and trailer compared to the nike one which was aimed at more somewhat hardcore workouts.
But microsoft is going in hard with getting their ui out there. (http://cdn0.sbnation.com/entry_photo_images/4432272/threescreenscloud_640_large_extra_large.jpg)
Question does the wii u controller have any memory in it. If not nintendo has made one of the worst mistakes from a usability standpoint.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 23, 2012, 12:41:57 AM
Question does the wii u controller have any memory in it. If not nintendo has made one of the worst mistakes from a usability standpoint.
Care to elaborate on why it would need it and why not having it would be "the worst mistake"?
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Evan_B on June 23, 2012, 12:49:07 AM
Smartglass is a "smarter" way of implementing the idea, but again- the Wii U is a whole bundle. It's the whole shebang. You don't need to buy a tablet or a smartphone to hook this system up- it's all there for you. And it's probably going to be way cheaper of an investment, when you factor in that casual gamers have all their wii remotes, balance boards, and whatnot, now all they need is this bundle that will undoubtedly be cheap (cheaper than a Kinect/360 bundle, most likely), and more accessible.
The Kinect may be a cool piece of tech, but I just don't see it having "hardcore" basis- and Nintendo has at least established that motion controls can go hand-in-hand with core gaming experiences (the FPS was really the first of these to succeed, Zelda was another proving ground) while pretty much all of the Kinect "core" games have been wonky as hell.
...IMO.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Ymeegod on June 23, 2012, 01:10:10 AM
The console has the storage slots so why would the gamepad need one to?
Did Nintendo ever state the distance the gamepad would function from the console? If it's 50-100 feet then I might have some use for it since I would be able to play on my patio out back :).
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: shingi_70 on June 23, 2012, 08:01:45 AM
Question does the wii u controller have any memory in it. If not nintendo has made one of the worst mistakes from a usability standpoint.
Care to elaborate on why it would need it and why not having it would be "the worst mistake"?
Not treally amistake. One of things they showed was using the controller to play games right. Well think of the channel system like the mario kart or wii fit channels. Think if those weren't on the system but installed until the controller. So even though I don't have wii fit u in my wii u in the morning I could still check my weight and do some light yoga that's recorded while. I'm not using the tv. And when the wii u is turned on the data is synced to the disc based stuff. Its not really a mistake but squandered opprounity to further push this paradigm.
And it wouldn't be a hardrive in the gamepad but something like cache of flash memory and a small amount of ram.
On the smartglass and kinect note, I would say smartglass isn't that big of an investment since so many people already have smartphones and tablets. I keep hearing people use that argument like mobile computing is niche space and quite a few people own 360s and microsoft is tying to fostor that. And what's makes you think the wii u will be cheaper than a kinect/ 360. Its currently $299 and will porbably have a price drop as well as more retailers are adpoting the $99 xbox stuff. I do agree that kinect in its current state sucks for most games, but developers have smartly are going with miminal motion and mostly voice controls instead which work great.
And voice controls/motion are great for non gaming functions which is where kinect shines. Like the video I posted eariler from the verge or microasofts or the microsoft press video.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: ThePerm on June 23, 2012, 01:23:59 PM
Nintendo hasn't missed out because those things can be done on 3DS.
The wii u controller is a cheap super fast touch screen display, it is not a system itself. 30 fps for 2 gamepads is plenty to deal with. Just because the system says its not on doesn't mean its not on.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 26, 2012, 02:55:21 AM
Iwata Promises Low Priced Wii U and 3DS Profitability This Year http://andriasang.com/con1ns/iwata_yomiuri/ (http://andriasang.com/con1ns/iwata_yomiuri/)
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Nintendo has not yet announced a price for the Wii U, but all signs are pointing towards "reasonable." In an interview that appeared in today's Yomiuri Shimbun daily, CEO Satoru Iwata said of the company's pricing strategy for the Wii U, "We won't make the same mistake that we did with the 3DS, which was considered relatively high by consumers."
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Regarding the system itself, Iwata promised that Nintendo would "have an appealing product at launch." He noted that thanks to its special tablet-style controller and the inclusion of social network style functionality, "it's like no other system before it."
I'm sticking with somewhere between $299.99 - $349.99
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Kairon on June 26, 2012, 03:30:15 AM
I'm still sticking to $299.99.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Stogi on June 26, 2012, 08:49:54 AM
From a fan stand point, I hope it's a buck. From an investor stand point, I hope it's $300 with a pack-in game.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Adrock on June 26, 2012, 09:17:52 AM
I'm thinking $349.99 bundled with Nintendo Land.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: BranDonk Kong on June 26, 2012, 10:05:23 AM
$250.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 26, 2012, 01:27:05 PM
What kind of fan would want to see Nintendo go bankrupt?
How about Nintendo just provides free Wii U's to the NWR forumers just to, you know, get word of mouth going? ;) See, that pipe dream scenario wouldn't bankrupt them.
Seriously though I just want to get good value for the price. For example I would rather pay more for hardware I know will compare with the next gen than to pay less for something that will have no third party support in the long run. I don't want Nintendo cheap out on anything so as to have a large profit margin on the system sales. Don't bork the hardware to line your pockets. I don't want Nintendo to sell at a loss and I don't expect them to just break even. Make a profit but don't jerk me out of decent hardware to do it like you did with the Wii. And if you're making us pay for that fancy controller, it better be worth our while. Pikmin 3 supposedly controls BETTER with the Wii Remote/Nunchuk. That better not be the norm. You make us buy it, you make it worthwhile. Don't force it's usage either. If you couldn't come up with good ideas to use it with then you should have bothered with it in the first place. I have no interest in paying extra for a marketing gimmick.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 26, 2012, 01:53:05 PM
Pikmin 3 controlled better with the remote/nunchuk, but every other game I played worked well with the GamePad, with some of the games on display (Zombi U/Nintendo Land/Rayman specifically, as well as others) using it in ways that make the game better that wouldn't be possible without it. Still, if a game would benefit from pointer controls, which a lot do, that should be an option.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Ceric on June 26, 2012, 02:07:48 PM
$300 Does all the Media things that my PS3 does Plus the Gamepad has all the functionality of a Harmony remote.
Sold. It be a No-Brainer for me. Even if I never buy a single game for the system. Considering I'm here that probably wouldn't be the case. The big question becomes if I have to camp out at a Wal-Mart again or if I can just Pre-Order from Amazon for it on Day 1.
On the earlier mention of Smartglass I be worried about Wi-Fi streaming tech.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Evan_B on June 26, 2012, 02:51:35 PM
For 300 bucks, it would be a steal. 350, I think that's a pretty fair price- at least, with a pack-in. But if 300 is just the console, that's okay with me.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Louieturkey on June 26, 2012, 05:07:12 PM
Pikmin 3 controlled better with the remote/nunchuk, but every other game I played worked well with the GamePad, with some of the games on display (Zombi U/Nintendo Land/Rayman specifically, as well as others) using it in ways that make the game better that wouldn't be possible without it. Still, if a game would benefit from pointer controls, which a lot do, that should be an option.
We have to remember that Pikmin 3 was originally a Wii game, so it kind of makes sense that it controls better with the wiimote.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 15, 2012, 04:13:49 PM
Deadpool Announced (and its coming to Wii U) "Suck it Wolverine" - Deadpool Trailer: http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/07/14/comic-con-deadpool-video-game-announced-trailer
confirmation is in one of these live blogs from the CCSD Panel: http://marvel.com/news/story/18982/sdcc_2012_liveblog_central
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"You will be able to play on the WiiU!"
and in other news: Firebrand Games (NFS: The Run000, Nascar Unleashed) is developing for Wii U http://www.firebrandgames.com/octane.htm
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Octane 5 is now supported on all of the High Definition Consoles: PlayStation 3 and PlayStation Vita, Xbox 360, and Nintendo Wii-U (coming shortly).
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Disco Stu on July 15, 2012, 04:59:22 PM
Deadpool Announced (and its coming to Wii U) "Suck it Wolverine" - Deadpool Trailer: http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/07/14/comic-con-deadpool-video-game-announced-trailer (http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/07/14/comic-con-deadpool-video-game-announced-trailer)
That trailer was...not good. I don't if I'm just getting lamer as I get older, but the violence in many modern video games makes me uncomfortable.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: ShyGuy on July 15, 2012, 05:04:27 PM
It needs a more cartoonish artstyle to go with Deadpool's hijinks.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: SonofMrPeanut on July 15, 2012, 07:03:05 PM
Deadpool Announced (and its coming to Wii U) "Suck it Wolverine" - Deadpool Trailer: http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/07/14/comic-con-deadpool-video-game-announced-trailer (http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/07/14/comic-con-deadpool-video-game-announced-trailer)
confirmation is in one of these live blogs from the CCSD Panel: http://marvel.com/news/story/18982/sdcc_2012_liveblog_central (http://marvel.com/news/story/18982/sdcc_2012_liveblog_central)
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"You will be able to play on the WiiU!"
It actually hasn't been announced for any platform yet (don't worry, I made the same mistake earlier).
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Q: Deadpool is awesome. I wanted to ask about the Kinect game. Can I play? (a fan in a wheelchair asks)
By "the Kinect game," they are referring to Avengers: Battle for Earth which will also be coming to Wii U.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: MagicCow64 on July 15, 2012, 07:45:16 PM
Deadpool Announced (and its coming to Wii U) "Suck it Wolverine" - Deadpool Trailer: http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/07/14/comic-con-deadpool-video-game-announced-trailer (http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/07/14/comic-con-deadpool-video-game-announced-trailer)
confirmation is in one of these live blogs from the CCSD Panel: http://marvel.com/news/story/18982/sdcc_2012_liveblog_central (http://marvel.com/news/story/18982/sdcc_2012_liveblog_central)
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"You will be able to play on the WiiU!"
It actually hasn't been announced for any platform yet (don't worry, I made the same mistake earlier).
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Q: Deadpool is awesome. I wanted to ask about the Kinect game. Can I play? (a fan in a wheelchair asks)
By "the Kinect game," they are referring to Avengers: Battle for Earth which will also be coming to Wii U.
Deadpool Announced (and its coming to Wii U) "Suck it Wolverine" - Deadpool Trailer: http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/07/14/comic-con-deadpool-video-game-announced-trailer (http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/07/14/comic-con-deadpool-video-game-announced-trailer)
confirmation is in one of these live blogs from the CCSD Panel: http://marvel.com/news/story/18982/sdcc_2012_liveblog_central (http://marvel.com/news/story/18982/sdcc_2012_liveblog_central)
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"You will be able to play on the WiiU!"
It actually hasn't been announced for any platform yet (don't worry, I made the same mistake earlier).
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Q: Deadpool is awesome. I wanted to ask about the Kinect game. Can I play? (a fan in a wheelchair asks)
By "the Kinect game," they are referring to Avengers: Battle for Earth which will also be coming to Wii U.
Thanks for pointing that out SonOfMrPeanut. DANG!
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: ShyGuy on July 16, 2012, 02:21:47 PM
Uh-Oh get ready for another round of naysaying from our anti-Nintendo trio.
Tekken producer Katsuhiro Harada on the Wii U hardware:
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"As far as graphical processing and such, it's not much of an issue. But as far as the CPU goes, the clock is kinda low.
"I guess they're trying to keep power consumption down so we have to come up with creative ways to get around that and that's taking a little bit of time."
When asked whether it was lower than that of the Xbox 360 or PS3, he replied: "Maybe a little bit."
"For example on PS3 it was kind of difficult at first, but if you made good use of the different cores, you could split up the processing tasks and you could achieve very good effects. But this is kind of a different issue than that."
I take it the out-of-order CPU in the Wii U is clocked low and one must do more than a quick and dirty port to take advantage of its power.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: BranDonk Kong on July 16, 2012, 07:50:35 PM
That's old (at least as far as things being old on the internet are concerned), Iwata did also say that they went with a slower CPU to keep costs down...which I think is a cop-out. But also keep in mind that clock speeds don't mean anything like they did when it was the PS2/Xbox/GameCube era (and really didn't matter then since the GameCube's 400Mhz PowerPC CPU was basically the equivalent of the Xbox's 733Mhz Celeron).
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 28, 2012, 09:49:27 PM
I haven't been keeping up with things lately, barely been on the forums at all, out side of a quick refresh and skimming
But has this been posted yet?
Crytek Working with Nintendo and teases the possibility of Crisis 3 on Wii U http://www.computerandvideogames.com/359998/crytek-working-with-nintendo-crysis-3-wii-u-a-possibility/
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Chozo Ghost on July 28, 2012, 09:52:33 PM
Don't ever leave us again, BnM. Without you here to provide updates this place falls apart.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Mannypon on July 29, 2012, 01:40:45 AM
I haven't been keeping up with things lately, barely been on the forums at all, out side of a quick refresh and skimming
But has this been posted yet?
Crytek Working with Nintendo and teases the possibility of Crisis 3 on Wii U http://www.computerandvideogames.com/359998/crytek-working-with-nintendo-crysis-3-wii-u-a-possibility/ (http://www.computerandvideogames.com/359998/crytek-working-with-nintendo-crysis-3-wii-u-a-possibility/)
Yeah, Caterkiller posted it in the WiiU thread I believe. He says he doesn't believe it I think. I don't have direct quotes but I could've sworn that Crytek said they weren't developing anything for the WiiU but that another publisher or developer was using their engine for a WiiU game.
EDIT: looks like I should've read the article first as they mention exactly what I was talking about lol. Anyway, somethings up. It seems to me now that they got something in the works.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Kairon on July 29, 2012, 02:40:04 AM
I just took it to mean that Crytek was working with Nintendo maybe in the sense that they were making sure their engine supported the Wii U?
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Caterkiller on July 29, 2012, 02:51:30 AM
Don't ever leave us again, BnM. Without you here to provide updates this place falls apart.
Wait a sec, doesn't bringing this place down fall in line with your ultimate ambition?
@BlackNMild - I did post that a while ago but no one was interested. As far as I could tell everyone wanted these guys to be working on Wii U, but when we get some hopeful news it was just ignored. Aren't these Crytek guys a big deal?
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Chozo Ghost on July 29, 2012, 03:12:10 AM
Wait a sec, doesn't bringing this place down fall in line with your ultimate ambition?
Yes. NWR was the last hurdle preventing me from reaching my "ultimate ambition" of conquering the world, and I would have gotten away with it too, if it hadn't been for you meddling kids!
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Kairon on July 29, 2012, 03:28:25 AM
Wait a sec, doesn't bringing this place down fall in line with your ultimate ambition?
Yes. NWR was the last hurdle preventing me from reaching my "ultimate ambition" of conquering the world, and I would have gotten away with it too, if it hadn't been for you meddling kids!
That's "Interloping adolescents!"
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 29, 2012, 11:22:09 AM
Don't ever leave us again, BnM. Without you here to provide updates this place falls apart.
Wait a sec, doesn't bringing this place down fall in line with your ultimate ambition?
@BlackNMild - I did post that a while ago but no one was interested. As far as I could tell everyone wanted these guys to be working on Wii U, but when we get some hopeful news it was just ignored. Aren't these Crytek guys a big deal?
Crytek could be a BIG deal next gen if Nintendo can squeeze a popular exclusive showcase "trilogy" out of them and make CRYEngine3.4 the defacto next gen engine moving forward, just as MS did with Epic, Gears of War and UE3 last generation.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Adrock on July 29, 2012, 11:39:33 AM
That would help Nintendo immensely though Crytek would have had to get started a while ago for it to release early enough to make a difference.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: MagicCow64 on July 29, 2012, 12:30:02 PM
I would love it if someone kicked UE to the curb. I'm convinced it's one of the main reasons aesthetics got so crummy this gen, as well as underpinning textured hallway mania. I don't have a great grasp on what CryEngine brings to the table, but I remember that Crysis 2 felt more like Perfect Dark than most games attempt at this point.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 29, 2012, 12:45:13 PM
Don't forget that Nintendo has hired on atleast 1 ex-Crytek person which would be a good way to get inroads to the Crytek expertise when it comes to pushing hardware and making graphically impressive engines/games for HD machines.
If Nintendo can get Crytek to make their Gears of War/Halo/Uncharted and show that using CryEngine 3.4 (or 4 or whatever) can produce games that graphically surpass PS360 without a doubt and even scale comfortable with ease towards the next MS/Sony system, CryE could easily become the UE3 of next gen as 3rd parties will want to use the engine that allows them to make 1 game and port it to all systems.
Assuming what Epic said was true "They are not building UE4 for Wii U and an interested 3rd party can do it themselves" which I don't fully believe because I've seen something that suggest there are, at the very least, dev tools for UE4 on Wii U even if a fully optimized engine is not in place. I also highly doubt that if the Wii U is capable of running UE4, even if it isn't with all the bells and whistles activated, they won't just sit by and let Crytek take the crown without a fight (assuming CryE becomes the Wii U graphical showcase engine) by not releasing an officially supported version of UE4 (lite, mobile, etc etc).
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Tamazoid on July 29, 2012, 12:58:17 PM
Crytek's prior statement was that Crysis 3 was "not a fat chance" of being on WiiU. Which is a double negative.
So technically they never said Crysis 3 would not be on WiiU
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Kairon on July 30, 2012, 03:14:10 AM
Crytek already specifically said they weren't making any Wii U games themselves though didn't they? I think they said another studio was using their engine though.
As for UE4, I think it'd be in Nintendo's best interests to "port it to Wii U" themselves instead of waiting for a third-party developer to do it.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: shingi_70 on July 30, 2012, 10:37:59 AM
Could nintendo get crytek to.ame a game for them. Currently crytek is finishing up its current t games (crysis 3,Ryse,warface,homedront 2) and then plan to go free to play only.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: shingi_70 on July 30, 2012, 10:40:08 AM
I would love it if someone kicked UE to the curb. I'm convinced it's one of the main reasons aesthetics got so crummy this gen, as well as underpinning textured hallway mania. I don't have a great grasp on what CryEngine brings to the table, but I remember that Crysis 2 felt more like Perfect Dark than most games attempt at this point.
Yes blame the engine instead of shitty art and le el direction.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: NWR_insanolord on July 30, 2012, 03:26:04 PM
If Crytek were making a Wii U game, I'd want it to be Crytek UK. I'm still holding out for TimeSplitters 4!
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Tamazoid on July 31, 2012, 05:05:42 AM
Isn't Crytek UK busy with Homefront 2 at the moment? Regardless, if we do see another TimeSplitters game it will mostly be a Free to Play Online game due to Crytek's new direction.
If we do see the Crytek game on the WiiU it will probably be Crysis 3 or Homefront 2 (THQ will probably want to put that on anything that can run it)
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 11, 2012, 12:21:20 AM
Has this been posted yet?
Toki Tori 2 trailer
for Wii U & Steam
and a new Rayman Legends Trailer
Introducing Barbara
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 15, 2012, 11:00:48 PM
Zombi U Trailer
Tank! Tank! Tank! Trailer
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Evan_B on August 15, 2012, 11:23:01 PM
Wii U achievements confirmed as "Wii U Accomplishments"?
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Kairon on August 16, 2012, 12:19:31 AM
I'm not sure a leaked early and preliminary document counts as confirmation. Perhaps extremely encouraging, but not confirmation.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Chozo Ghost on August 16, 2012, 12:45:27 AM
"Accomplishments" sounds good, but its quite a lot to type out. I think regardless of what Nintendo calls them I might just call them "trophies" because it requires less finger moving on the keyboard.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Evan_B on August 16, 2012, 01:43:52 AM
I'm not sure a leaked early and preliminary document counts as confirmation. Perhaps extremely encouraging, but not confirmation.
That's why I put a question mark.
I put it in the other rumor thread but two of the UbiSoft trailers seemed to be hinting at a trophy like accomplishment system. So there is thee items now that give hints to their system. I put my conjuncture on what in the other thread.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Ceric on August 16, 2012, 09:23:52 AM
"Accomplishments" sounds good, but its quite a lot to type out. I think regardless of what Nintendo calls them I might just call them "trophies" because it requires less finger moving on the keyboard.
Will just use Accomps. Like Achievements in WoW are mostly just referred to as Achieves.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Caterkiller on August 16, 2012, 12:53:51 PM
Castelvania Lords of Shadow 2 coming to PC but not Wii U. How many people have Wii U's? Zero. How many people have PC's? lots!
Lame! I hope Wii U pulls a Wii and shuts this guy up.
Sounds like pretty sound logic to me.
The chances of the Wii u pulling a wii are very slim and its in a odd position when it comes to support. Its not in a Wii position with tons of hyper and it not in a 360 position where it was a decent sized leap and got a ton of engines and games first.
And sadly it isnt just 1 game. So far we have
Castlevaina: lords of shadows 2 Bioshock: infinte Army of two: devils cartel Remember me Crysis 3
And that's just naming a few :(
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: ThePerm on August 17, 2012, 12:11:57 PM
yeah lots of people have PCs, but do they have the particular video cards you support or enough memory? The audience for that sort of thing shrinks dramatically at that point. Consoles are suposed to have an affordable amount of power. Granny wants to play Castlevania cus its on the pc, but she can't play it on her IBM ps/2 model 30.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Ceric on August 17, 2012, 02:32:51 PM
The last few years its been less of a problem to find games on the PC that outstrip you Computers ability to be playable. I have to think Steam and WoW is to thank for a good amount of that.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Chozo Ghost on August 17, 2012, 03:05:38 PM
Lame! I hope Wii U pulls a Wii and shuts this guy up.
So you want the Wii U to get a ton of casual shovelware games and almost no support from 3rd-party developers?
And that guys logic is ridiculous. He's comparing a PC to an unreleased console. Of course no one has a Wii U, cause it hasn't even been released yet. Are developers really that stupid?
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Caterkiller on August 17, 2012, 07:53:48 PM
Lame! I hope Wii U pulls a Wii and shuts this guy up.
So you want the Wii U to get a ton of casual shovelware games and almost no support from 3rd-party developers?
And that guys logic is ridiculous. He's comparing a PC to an unreleased console. Of course no one has a Wii U, cause it hasn't even been released yet. Are developers really that stupid?
You lose your keys yet?
@Shingi The Wii had fan hype but had very little 3rd party hype! That's why we keep hearing stories how developers wish they wold have jumped on it sooner. I certainly don't expect the U to pull Wii numbers but it certainly isn't impossible.
At least now we have really good 3rd party games from the get go with 2 exclusives not including Nintendos stuff.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Kairon on August 17, 2012, 08:01:35 PM
I wonder what Nintendo's internal projections for the Wii U are. They said 10.5 million in the Fiscal Year ending March 31 for Wii and Wii U combined right? Give the drastic decline in Wii sales, does that suggest 6 million or even 7 million Wii U worldwide sales by March 31 2013?
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Louieturkey on August 17, 2012, 08:13:59 PM
I wonder what Nintendo's internal projections for the Wii U are. They said 10.5 million in the Fiscal Year ending March 31 for Wii and Wii U combined right? Give the drastic decline in Wii sales, does that suggest 6 million or even 7 million Wii U worldwide sales by March 31 2013?
If they can produce that many, I think they can sell them.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Kairon on August 17, 2012, 08:31:04 PM
In contrast it appears that the Wii moved a little under 6 million units worldwide by the March following its launch. Somehow, I suspect that Nintendo is betting that the Wii U will be a significant success on the same level as the Wii U, a very high target indeed.
Of course, this is assuming drastically reduced Wii sales numbers of about 4-5 million this fiscal year, almost a 50% drop since last year. Actually, given the extreme end-of-life for the console and depressed NPD numbers, that doesn't sound that much of a stretch.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Caterkiller on August 17, 2012, 08:32:35 PM
Why is there all this smoke and mirrors cloak and dagger bullshit about a Wii U version which should have been announced the same time as the PS360 versions?
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 18, 2012, 09:30:00 PM
Marvel Avenger: Battle for Earth
Project P-100
Let's just say that if you were forcing me to choose between 1 Super Hero game over the other, I would probably slap you for even making the 1st choice an option.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Caliban on August 18, 2012, 09:32:19 PM
I choose... not the 1st choice.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 19, 2012, 12:12:58 AM
Another game in development, supposedly for Wii U's eShop
This is apparently another title coming to Wii U thanks to Nintendo aggressively seeking out not just indie studios, but also mobile studios to work on digital games for the eShop.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Chozo Ghost on August 19, 2012, 03:02:22 AM
Star Beast sounds like a cool title from the name, but the fact its coming to the mobile platform might mean its just one of them casual touchscreen games that you play just 15 minutes at a time.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Caterkiller on August 19, 2012, 03:35:32 AM
Star Beast sounds like a cool title from the name, but the fact its coming to the mobile platform might mean its just one of them casual touchscreen games that you play just 15 minutes at a time.
And potentially becomes the next Angry Birds which you play for 15 minutes at a time once every hour.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 20, 2012, 01:19:03 AM
Another Wii U Middle ware becomes official
http://www.umbrasoftware.com/en/2012/08/14/umbra-now-an-official-wii-u-partner/ Umbra powers Mass Effect 3 & Guild Wars 2
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: ThePerm on August 20, 2012, 03:07:22 AM
Star Beast sounds like a code name for Star Fox. Kind of like how movie studios use fake titles for their projects when they are filming on location.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Chozo Ghost on August 20, 2012, 03:25:46 AM
If that's the case I'm sure investors will be delighted that Nintendo is supporting mobile platforms like they said they should.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: ThePerm on August 20, 2012, 05:11:31 AM
well yeah, on the other hand it would be possible to outsource some game assets and not tell the team what the game assets are for and then use those assets because they would be more original that way. When people think of star fox they think of that box that is star fox, but if assets came from some other project then that would expand star fox. Think about how the assets from Doki Doki Panic enchanced the Mario series for the rest of eternity.
but really i doubt they are connected. just a coincidence.
also the investors should shut the **** up, they support a mobile platform, its called 3DS. Next handheld should just have phone capabilities to shut them the **** up. They should make it like an Iphone and call it Gameboy.
edit: and because i like making mockups even to things im joking about.....
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: shingi_70 on August 20, 2012, 08:40:04 AM
Why should investors stay quiet about legitimate concerns.
Seeing as how the trdtional handheld market has shrunk everywhere but Japan as a shareholder I would be wondering how Nintendo would react to the growing mobile phone/tablet sector. I mean the other two seem to have solutions on how to tackle this growing trend.
Anywho I'm hoping the Wii U browser has good html5 support since it wont have flash.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: TJ Spyke on August 20, 2012, 08:43:49 AM
Shrunk? Pretty much everywhere in the world the 3DS it outselling the DS at the same point in its lifespan, including hitting 5 million in the US faster than DS did. Those "investors" usually have little knowledge of the video games industry and just want Nintendo to release iOS apps because iOS is so popular.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: shingi_70 on August 20, 2012, 09:19:09 AM
To be fair the DS didn't start selling like crazy until the lite model. It was pretty obvious seeing as the OG DS had pretty slow sales.
And its more than ios being the flavor of the month. For better or worse ios is dictating the future of computing.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: ThePerm on August 20, 2012, 12:56:12 PM
Why should investors stay quiet about legitimate concerns.
Seeing as how the trdtional handheld market has shrunk everywhere but Japan as a shareholder I would be wondering how Nintendo would react to the growing mobile phone/tablet sector. I mean the other two seem to have solutions on how to tackle this growing trend.
Anywho I'm hoping the Wii U browser has good html5 support since it wont have flash.
Investors shouldn't be concerned about that. Investors shouldn't ask a licensing/hardware giant company to go third party because of some fad. They might as well be telling Nintendo to make software on Playstation 3.
and DS was selling well before the lite model. My mom tells war stories all the time to my friends about trying to buy the DS. I only have a DS phat.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: broodwars on August 20, 2012, 01:07:27 PM
Shrunk? Pretty much everywhere in the world the 3DS it outselling the DS at the same point in its lifespan, including hitting 5 million in the US faster than DS did.
People like to throw that statement out a lot, but considering how terrible the DS' first year software lineup was (and how many major 1st party franchise titles Nintendo threw at the 3DS, which we're definitely seeing the consequences of this Fall) is that really something to boast about? :confused; Congratulations, the 3DS has outsold a handheld that spent its first year mainly playing (terrible) ports and tech demos.
I've enjoyed my time with my 3DS since I got it a few months ago, but c'mon it would have been pathetic if the 3DS wasn't outselling the DS at this point in that handheld's life cycle.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: ThePerm on August 20, 2012, 01:18:48 PM
nice gif of the Estavezes
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Louieturkey on August 20, 2012, 01:25:09 PM
Shrunk? Pretty much everywhere in the world the 3DS it outselling the DS at the same point in its lifespan, including hitting 5 million in the US faster than DS did.
People like to throw that statement out a lot, but considering how terrible the DS' first year software lineup was (and how many major 1st party franchise titles Nintendo threw at the 3DS, which we're definitely seeing the consequences of this Fall) is that really something to boast about? :confused; Congratulations, the 3DS has outsold a handheld that spent its first year mainly playing (terrible) ports and tech demos.
I agree with this. If the 3DS is still outpacing the DS in years two and three, then I might say that it will be more of a success than the DS. Until we have that second year past completely showing that the second year of the 3DS outsold the second year of the DS, I consider all the numbers just marketing speech.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Kairon on August 20, 2012, 01:55:00 PM
*eyes Vita*
Guys, let's not downplay the 3DS' performance too much... It could do much better, but let's be thankful it's not doing worse.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Louieturkey on August 21, 2012, 01:16:11 PM
I eye the Vita and think if there was more compelling software for that system, it'd probably be a lot more popular right now. Sony dropped the ball, same as Nintendo did for the launch of the 3DS. Sony's Crossplay promotion is intriguing and if they get enough software under that promotion, I may buy a Vita, even at the $250 price.
I'm not saying the 3DS' sales are completely blown out of proportion. What I am saying is that it has not proven itself to be as popular as the DS at this point in its life. It needs at least another year or two of selling above or near the level the DS was selling at the same time in its life to prove that.
Title: Wayforward working on Multi-plat game
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 21, 2012, 11:16:39 PM
Wayforward working on a Miltiplat game for Wii U & PS360
A LinkedIn profile belonging to a Games Director at WayForward Technologies indicates that the development studio is working on a multiplatform title for the Xbox 360, PlayStation 3 and Wii U.
While we have no indication of what this multiplatform title could be, WayForward have publicly announced two Wii U games that they are working on.
The first is Mighty Switch Force HD, which will be ready for the Wii U’s launch as a downloadable game. This is a high-definition version of Mighty Switch Force that will have redrawn sprites and new features not present in the 3DS version.
The other is a new Shantae game. WayForward owner, Voldi Way, mentioned this game in an interview he gave at E3 2012. The Shantae game, too, was originally considered for release around the time of the Wii U launch, but has been pushed back.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 25, 2012, 03:49:40 PM
Pwnee Studios (Cloudberry Kingdom) extra excited about Wii U Online http://nintendo-okie.com/2012/08/23/pwnee-studios-audio-interview/
Quote
"Looks like they've taken a lot of notes from Steam and other succesful marketplaces. Seems like they get it, and they're going to nail it, I think.
"They realise that digital is the future and they are getting their acts together with that, definitely."
I really hope they do get it right. the first time.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Ceric on August 25, 2012, 03:59:04 PM
Pwnee Studios (Cloudberry Kingdom) extra excited about Wii U Online http://nintendo-okie.com/2012/08/23/pwnee-studios-audio-interview/
Quote
"Looks like they've taken a lot of notes from Steam and other succesful marketplaces. Seems like they get it, and they're going to nail it, I think.
"They realise that digital is the future and they are getting their acts together with that, definitely."
I really hope they do get it right. the first time.
That's good to hear.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Louieturkey on August 25, 2012, 05:34:51 PM
Here's hoping how they start will continue to build and be similar to Steam.
Title: Wii U Toys @ BK on Oct 25th?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 25, 2012, 11:26:20 PM
Pach Attack: "Burger King getting Wii U Toys on October 25th... possible release date?" http://www.gametrailers.com/videos/dutg72/pach-attack--pach-attack-332---wii-u-when-- (http://www.gametrailers.com/videos/dutg72/pach-attack--pach-attack-332---wii-u-when--)
Title: Re: Wii U Toys @ BK on Oct 25th?
Post by: tendoboy1984 on August 25, 2012, 11:34:02 PM
Pach Attack: "Burger King getting Wii U Toys on October 25th... possible release date?" http://www.gametrailers.com/videos/dutg72/pach-attack--pach-attack-332---wii-u-when-- (http://www.gametrailers.com/videos/dutg72/pach-attack--pach-attack-332---wii-u-when--)
Yeah, no. Nintendo hasn't revealed the release date to anyone (except maybe investors and board members), so Pachter knows nothing. Just more speculation.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Caterkiller on August 25, 2012, 11:54:33 PM
Where do Pokemon toys go these days McDonalds? They used to be available at Burger King so I suppose there could be something to this.
Still a Skylanders type deal for every game possible? Oh man you all better be prepared for the tidal wave that's about to hit.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 26, 2012, 12:23:46 AM
Pach Attack: "Burger King getting Wii U Toys on October 25th... possible release date?" http://www.gametrailers.com/videos/dutg72/pach-attack--pach-attack-332---wii-u-when-- (http://www.gametrailers.com/videos/dutg72/pach-attack--pach-attack-332---wii-u-when--)
Imagine all of the 20 collectible "Big Kid" Meals come with some sort of NFC toy. Maybe they interact with Nintendoland, maybe they all are stuff from different games, like Rabbidsland, Rayman Legends, Wii Fit U, NSMB Mii, etc etc. or maybe even you scan them and they automatically download a demo of some related eShop game on your Wii U, or a new puzzle, or custom gear for your Mii.... the possibilities are ENDLESS!!!
never ending Wii U promotions incoming. Don't miss this opportunity Nintendo.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Louieturkey on August 27, 2012, 01:46:39 PM
Pach Attack: "Burger King getting Wii U Toys on October 25th... possible release date?" http://www.gametrailers.com/videos/dutg72/pach-attack--pach-attack-332---wii-u-when-- (http://www.gametrailers.com/videos/dutg72/pach-attack--pach-attack-332---wii-u-when--)
Imagine all of the 20 collectible "Big Kid" Meals come with some sort of NFC toy. Maybe they interact with Nintendoland, maybe they all are stuff from different games, like Rabbidsland, Rayman Legends, Wii Fit U, NSMB Mii, etc etc. or maybe even you scan them and they automatically download a demo of some related eShop game on your Wii U, or a new puzzle, or custom gear for your Mii.... the possibilities are ENDLESS!!!
never ending Wii U promotions incoming. Don't miss this opportunity Nintendo.
I don't know if Uncle Bob could take it.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 28, 2012, 02:13:23 AM
IBM Wuutson Inside - Power 7 powers U
Official IBM Watson twitter has been a little chatty today: https://twitter.com/IBMWatson/status/78473693843562498
Quote from: first an oldie...
David Hansen @TheDavidHansen @IBMWATSON is it true that they're sticking you inside of #WiiU?
IBM Watson @IBMWatson @TheDavidHansen #WiiU uses same #power7 chips.
and now the new quote from Today 8/27/2012 https://twitter.com/IBMWatson/status/240241146213842944
Quote
IBM Watson @IBMWatson @DeSero "WiiU has 45nm custom chip ... a SOI design & packs same processor tech found in #IBMWatson" http://engt.co/l9uQLv - @engadget
What exactly does that mean though? I guess we will have to "continue waiting" :/
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 28, 2012, 02:15:08 AM
Karateka remake coming to Wii U http://www.siliconera.com/2012/08/27/prince-of-persia-creators-new-karateka-remake-confirmed-for-wii-u/
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Ceric on August 28, 2012, 10:09:28 AM
Official IBM Watson twitter has been a little chatty today: https://twitter.com/IBMWatson/status/78473693843562498
Quote from: first an oldie...
David Hansen @TheDavidHansen @IBMWATSON is it true that they're sticking you inside of #WiiU?
IBM Watson @IBMWatson @TheDavidHansen #WiiU uses same #power7 chips.
and now the new quote from Today 8/27/2012 https://twitter.com/IBMWatson/status/240241146213842944
Quote
IBM Watson @IBMWatson @DeSero "WiiU has 45nm custom chip ... a SOI design & packs same processor tech found in #IBMWatson" http://engt.co/l9uQLv - @engadget
What exactly does that mean though? I guess we will have to "continue waiting" :/
It means if you linked enough WiiU together they could play Jeopardy.
Title: Wii U in Review: What's in the box
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 16, 2012, 12:57:50 PM
What's in the box? what are you getting for your money? Which one is a better deal?
Wii U Basic - $299.99 (http://i.imgur.com/RIg2v.jpg)
Wii U Premium - $349.99 (http://i.imgur.com/m1qmu.jpg)
Not only do you get a game & 4x the internal storage space, but you get a controller charging cradle, controller stand, system stand to hold it up vertical.
obviously the Premium is the much better deal, so Good Luck pre-ordering your Premium, but don't worry
There's nothing on that deluxe set graphic touting the Deluxe Download promotion.
Well, technically that is not something that is in the box. Those pics are advertising what is in the box specifically. Of course, they don't advertise the cardboard or the plastic bags either.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Kairon on September 16, 2012, 02:13:36 PM
Wow, I just noticed... no composite cables included! Non HD TV owners will need to buy some extra cables...
This brings me back to the days when I needed to buy RF Adapters for my N64 and GC... *sighs wistfully*
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: ShyGuy on September 16, 2012, 02:33:54 PM
That's weird, my post didn't post.
Why is there a charging cradle AND a stand? The cradle is a stand, no?
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: BranDonk Kong on September 16, 2012, 02:38:56 PM
Non HDTV owners are using obsolete technology and should have upgraded years ago...
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: MysticGohan on September 16, 2012, 02:58:25 PM
Why is there a charging cradle AND a stand? The cradle is a stand, no?
Maybe it's like the 3ds that had a charging cradle, but you could just plug it straight in, instead of going to the cradle, perhaps that's what it's for?
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: MagicCow64 on September 16, 2012, 03:04:34 PM
Kind of bizarre that they didn't include the non-charging controller stand in the basic kit. It's just a little piece of plastic, and you'd think they'd be keen on highlighting the Skype type functionality from that nerd promo video for all comers.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Shaymin on September 16, 2012, 03:53:05 PM
Non HDTV owners are using obsolete technology and should have upgraded years ago...
Aside from graphics, CRT TVs are better for gaming. Don't they have a greater response time for things where milliseconds count like in FPS games? Also, light guns won't work on anything else. So if you want to play Duck Hunt or Hogan's Alley or whatever, you need a CRT tv.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Louieturkey on September 17, 2012, 03:03:08 PM
Non HDTV owners are using obsolete technology and should have upgraded years ago...
Aside from graphics, CRT TVs are better for gaming. Don't they have a greater response time for things where milliseconds count like in FPS games? Also, light guns won't work on anything else. So if you want to play Duck Hunt or Hogan's Alley or whatever, you need a CRT tv.
Another fallacy. Any tv made in the last 5 years (at least, possibly 7 or 8) is fine for gaming. There were a ton of people coming into stores in 2005 and 2006 that were wanting to purchase HDTVs for their new consoles. There were a select few tv models that were made very cheaply that had delay in the connection. Sony has never had this problem as far as I know and every other tv maker was tired of returned tvs so they fixed the issues.
And if you are playing Duck Hunt on an HDTV, you're doing it wrong anyways (unless it was made for the Wii or Wii U). Light gun technology has gone way past this problem and is rarely used at this point that it's just an argument for argument's sake.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 17, 2012, 11:40:43 PM
Need for Speed Most Wanted 2 coming to Wii U http://portal.mj.gov.br/ClassificacaoIndicativa/jsps/DadosJogoForm.do?select_action=&tbjogo_codigo=5027
(http://i49.tinypic.com/24n2p81.jpg)
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 18, 2012, 12:04:16 AM
I'm sure any TV is fine for casual gaming, but I'm talking about the "try hard" players who will go to what normal people would consider ridiculous lengths to squeeze every possible millisecond advantage out of games. They insist on using wired controllers, a direct ethernet link to their router/modem, and so on and so forth.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 18, 2012, 12:48:11 AM
In other words, there's a chance that this could all play out very nicely for Nintendo - and who would have expected that we'd be talking about a $300 Wii U in such terms, only a few scant days ago? The company has delighted core fans and will sell strongly to them at a high price point, and may then have the flexibility it needs to drop the price and appeal to more price-sensitive consumers later in 2013, once the software library has grown and the value proposition is more clear. That's a good position for a console to be in, and one enabled solely by the strength of the launch line-up the company has prepared.
Perhaps this is a reminder to everyone in the industry, that for all the talking we do about hardware and specifications and platforms, this is still ultimately a business that's about selling games. Nintendo still does that better than almost anyone else. For the fourth time in a row (DS, Wii, 3DS and now Wii U), the industry finds itself having somewhat underestimated the extraordinary talent and market strength of the gaming legend from Kyoto. The real proof will start to pour in on November 18th (or 30th in Europe), but for now, my feeling is that Nintendo has done enough to ensure a solid launch - and demonstrated the kind of abilities it'll need to climb the steep slope ahead through 2013.
now go read the rest ;)
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: ShyGuy on September 18, 2012, 12:58:03 AM
Good to see Need For Speed. The Wii U needs some racers!
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Kairon on September 18, 2012, 02:08:37 AM
Gosh darn it I can't afford any more Wii U games!
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 18, 2012, 02:56:28 AM
High price? $300 is standard for console launch prices. If you want expensive, see the PS3 at launch ($599 US dollars), NeoGeo, 3DO, SEGA Saturn, etc.
Especially when you factor in inflation. A dollar isn't worth as much as it was 20 years ago, and each year its value decreases a little bit more. I think the Wii U price is more than reasonable, all things considered.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 18, 2012, 10:47:06 AM
They say in the article that the price is probably a little higher in the US thanks to the strong yen.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: tendoboy1984 on September 18, 2012, 11:38:52 AM
High price? $300 is standard for console launch prices. If you want expensive, see the PS3 at launch ($599 US dollars), NeoGeo, 3DO, SEGA Saturn, etc.
Especially when you factor in inflation. A dollar isn't worth as much as it was 20 years ago, and each year its value decreases a little bit more. I think the Wii U price is more than reasonable, all things considered.
I agree, though I was talking about what the hardware was worth at the time. I don't care about inflation, since it's a terrible way to compare prices.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Louieturkey on September 18, 2012, 03:44:31 PM
I'm sure any TV is fine for casual gaming, but I'm talking about the "try hard" players who will go to what normal people would consider ridiculous lengths to squeeze every possible millisecond advantage out of games. They insist on using wired controllers, a direct ethernet link to their router/modem, and so on and so forth.
Then they are PC gamers and will use PC monitors to game. TVs mean nothing to those people.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Louieturkey on September 18, 2012, 03:49:06 PM
High price? $300 is standard for console launch prices. If you want expensive, see the PS3 at launch ($599 US dollars), NeoGeo, 3DO, SEGA Saturn, etc.
Especially when you factor in inflation. A dollar isn't worth as much as it was 20 years ago, and each year its value decreases a little bit more. I think the Wii U price is more than reasonable, all things considered.
I agree, though I was talking about what the hardware was worth at the time. I don't care about inflation, since it's a terrible way to compare prices.
You may not like it, but it's the way Nintendo views everything. When the yen is 120 = $1, Nintendo can charge less for their system. When 100> $1, they have to charge more in the US. It's the way global economics works.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: TJ Spyke on September 20, 2012, 12:41:43 AM
Unity Technologies have announced that they have licensed their Unity engine to Nintendo for use on Wii U by Nintendo and third party developers: http://www.gamespot.com/news/nintendo-partners-with-unity-engine-for-wii-u-6396807
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Adrock on September 20, 2012, 08:47:46 AM
I'm not terribly well versed in game engines so I never heard of Unity before. I looked it up and I found this article (http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Wii-U-GPGPU-Squashes-Xbox-360-PS3-Capable-DirectX-11-Equivalent-Graphics-47126.html) (I know it's Cinema Blend, but they have a gaming section). They refer to Unity as a poor man's equivalent of the Unreal Engine. They also say some other stuff about how fancy it is, but I don't know what any of it means. I presume this is good news for Nintendo. Can anyone shed some light on what this means for Wii U and Nintendo in layman's terms? Without a set of real detailed specs, where does this put Wii U?
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: ShyGuy on September 20, 2012, 04:04:17 PM
Unity is a somewhat popular engine for iOS, Android, and web games.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: TJ Spyke on September 20, 2012, 04:36:00 PM
It's also being used for Xbox Live Arcade and PlayStation Network games.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: MrPhishfood on September 20, 2012, 04:47:04 PM
Aside from graphics, CRT TVs are better for gaming. Don't they have a greater response time for things where milliseconds count like in FPS games? Also, light guns won't work on anything else. So if you want to play Duck Hunt or Hogan's Alley or whatever, you need a CRT tv.
I remember reading something long ago about response times and the Wii U pad.
It has a significantly better response time than a HDTV. I can imagine hardcore fighting fans to use the Wii U Pad exclusively just because you can see what your opponent can do 7 frames ahead than what you can see on a TV.
I am hoping Capcom or someone brings out an arcade stick with a Wii U dock so you can see your moves list or just play the game from the Wii U pad for the competitive advantage.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 22, 2012, 01:49:17 AM
Bayonetta 2 wouldn't exist if it weren't for Nintendo
Confirmed. I was hiding under the desk when Hideki Kamiya and Kaz Hirai were discussing Bayonetta 3. When Kamiya proposed the idea of an exclusive for PS4 I heard Kaz Hirai shout RIIIIIDGE RAAAAACER gleefully, I took that as a positive sign. Actually all Kaz said for the entire meeting was 'ridge racer' but I could tell from his tone whether it meant yes, no or more details please.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 22, 2012, 05:47:42 AM
But hopefully not until sometime after the Bayonetta fanbase has already purchased a Wii U.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: shingi_70 on September 22, 2012, 11:03:35 AM
that's what most people thought anyway.
After playing the denpaman demo and looking at the talent at the studio, I hope genius sorority decides to make an eshop rpg vetween making the next console pokemon game.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Shecky on September 23, 2012, 01:57:18 AM
Say one has a Nintendo Wii Points Card since launch, purchased, but still unopened.... what are the chances that it will work with the store interface (if any) of the Wii U? Has there been word of how the points will transition. The VC titles?
I'm worried this card may not even work simply due to age, but I'd rather not dump it into a system when the successor is only a few months away. Nintendo didn't really have an account system, so I can see transitioning being tricky.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: NWR_insanolord on September 23, 2012, 02:06:22 AM
DSi cards aren't accepted by the 3DS eShop, so I wouldn't expect that card to work with the Wii U.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: coffeewithgames on September 23, 2012, 03:11:06 AM
Say one has a Nintendo Wii Points Card since launch, purchased, but still unopened.... what are the chances that it will work with the store interface (if any) of the Wii U? Has there been word of how the points will transition. The VC titles?
I'm worried this card may not even work simply due to age, but I'd rather not dump it into a system when the successor is only a few months away. Nintendo didn't really have an account system, so I can see transitioning being tricky.
Yeah, the online stuff is what I'm waiting to hear from Nintendo, and not addressing it at the main conference seemed really odd to me. I mean, they were pitching Nintendo TVii for nearly 1/3rd of the conference, but failed to address the eShop, Virtual Console and WiiWare transfers, prices, purchases, online multiplayer, etc. I really hope they blow the lid off on it before the console releases, because if not it might be a reason I don't get the system.
As for your Wii Points Card, do you still have a Wii that works? A Nintendo rep when interviewed after the conference said the Virtual Console (and WiiWare) purchases will transfer from the Wii consoles to the Wii U consoles, but you will need both consoles to make it work.
So, if you have your Wii still, you can use the points on Virtual Console/WiiWare titles, and then just transfer them over when/if you get the Wii U...I just hope it's an easy transition.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: TJ Spyke on September 23, 2012, 06:21:06 PM
DSi cards aren't accepted by the 3DS eShop, so I wouldn't expect that card to work with the Wii U.
But I think that is because the eShop uses cash values for games instead of points. If the Wii U uses points, then I think the Nintendo Points cards will work.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: tendoboy1984 on September 23, 2012, 07:16:48 PM
DSi cards aren't accepted by the 3DS eShop, so I wouldn't expect that card to work with the Wii U.
But I think that is because the eShop uses cash values for games instead of points. If the Wii U uses points, then I think the Nintendo Points cards will work.
Why would Nintendo go back to using points when they finally got rid of them for the 3DS eShop?
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Louieturkey on September 24, 2012, 04:53:33 AM
DSi cards aren't accepted by the 3DS eShop, so I wouldn't expect that card to work with the Wii U.
But I think that is because the eShop uses cash values for games instead of points. If the Wii U uses points, then I think the Nintendo Points cards will work.
Why would Nintendo go back to using points when they finally got rid of them for the 3DS eShop?
Because they didn't get rid of them for the Wii? Its successor is the Wii U. So it could possibly still keep the points.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: tendoboy1984 on September 24, 2012, 11:56:49 AM
Say one has a Nintendo Wii Points Card since launch, purchased, but still unopened.... what are the chances that it will work with the store interface (if any) of the Wii U? Has there been word of how the points will transition. The VC titles?
I'm worried this card may not even work simply due to age, but I'd rather not dump it into a system when the successor is only a few months away. Nintendo didn't really have an account system, so I can see transitioning being tricky.
Yeah, the online stuff is what I'm waiting to hear from Nintendo, and not addressing it at the main conference seemed really odd to me. I mean, they were pitching Nintendo TVii for nearly 1/3rd of the conference, but failed to address the eShop, Virtual Console and WiiWare transfers, prices, purchases, online multiplayer, etc. I really hope they blow the lid off on it before the console releases, because if not it might be a reason I don't get the system.
As for your Wii Points Card, do you still have a Wii that works? A Nintendo rep when interviewed after the conference said the Virtual Console (and WiiWare) purchases will transfer from the Wii consoles to the Wii U consoles, but you will need both consoles to make it work.
So, if you have your Wii still, you can use the points on Virtual Console/WiiWare titles, and then just transfer them over when/if you get the Wii U...I just hope it's an easy transition.
Hey are you the same Coffewithgames from GoNintendo? The guy that posts articles showing gameplay data from the Nintendo Channel?
Lots of people from GoNintendo are on here, it seems. I wonder how many if you are also on Nsider2 and Nintendo Life?
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: NWR_insanolord on September 24, 2012, 03:49:34 PM
DSi cards aren't accepted by the 3DS eShop, so I wouldn't expect that card to work with the Wii U.
But I think that is because the eShop uses cash values for games instead of points. If the Wii U uses points, then I think the Nintendo Points cards will work.
Why would Nintendo go back to using points when they finally got rid of them for the 3DS eShop?
Because they didn't get rid of them for the Wii? Its successor is the Wii U. So it could possibly still keep the points.
The 3DS was the successor to the DSi and still dropped points. The Wii U is using the same eShop brand as the 3DS, so it would seem likely that it would use real money values as well. I'd be shocked if it didn't.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Mannypon on September 24, 2012, 04:12:05 PM
Hey are you the same Coffewithgames from GoNintendo? The guy that posts articles showing gameplay data from the Nintendo Channel?
Lots of people from GoNintendo are on here, it seems. I wonder how many if you are also on Nsider2 and Nintendo Life?
I also frequent Gonintendo all the time for general news and pics but am not a member. I am a fan of N-sider.com and its forums (even though its dead most of the time) but since they went to the new layout, I can't seem to find the forum anywhere lol. Also, is N-sider.com in anyway related to Nsider2.com? If they are, why the 2 sites?
Anyways, to get back on topic, I don't really see how Nintendo's online service will be fully up and running come launch day. With little to nothing revealed, it makes me really wonder if things are ready. Hopefully more info will be given at the next NintendoDirect. I'm expecting at least one more before launch.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: tendoboy1984 on September 25, 2012, 02:59:17 PM
Well there are 2 months left until launch, so I'm sure there will be at least 2 Nintendo Directs detailing the online features.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 25, 2012, 07:35:43 PM
Has this been posted yet?
More Launch Window games have yet to be announced! http://ign.com/articles/2012/09/24/the-difficulty-discussing-wii-u
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Yet knowing that some gamers wanted more information, Fils-Aime noted that that more unannounced Wii U games are in development, including some that will release “during the launch window that we haven’t announced yet." Precisely when we’d learn more information about that software, and who is developing it, is unclear.
Anyone care to take a wild guess as to which games that may be?
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: TJ Spyke on September 25, 2012, 07:45:50 PM
I would think Major League Baseball 2K13 is a safe bet.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Sarail on September 26, 2012, 12:22:26 AM
I still think Resident Evil 6 is one of them, too. Maybe some digital releases... I'd love to see Hell Yeah! make its way to the eShop - that game is gorgeous, hand-drawn art made of pure sex.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Soren on September 26, 2012, 12:27:13 AM
I would think Major League Baseball 2K13 is a safe bet.
There's not going to be an MLB2K13. Take Two is getting out when their deal expires next year and they already said they're not making another MLB game after 2k12. Wii U and Xbox will not have MLB games for 2013.
Tiger Woods PGA Tour series is a sports title that comes out around March. That's one game there.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Adrock on September 26, 2012, 12:34:05 AM
I would think Major League Baseball 2K13 is a safe bet.
they already said they're not making another MLB game after 2k12.
They actually did not say that, they just said that 2K12 was the last game under the current agreement. Some people just assumed this meant that they would not make a 2K13.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Caterkiller on September 26, 2012, 12:55:15 AM
Count me in for Resident Evil 6. I also want to say he is talking about low budget downloadable titles as well.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 26, 2012, 09:57:08 AM
Is there any definitive list of Wii U launch or near launch games? If there's not, could someone toss one together? I want to see what my options are game wise when the system lands.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Evan_B on September 26, 2012, 10:12:23 AM
Is there any definitive list of Wii U launch or near launch games? If there's not, could someone toss one together? I want to see what my options are game wise when the system lands.
What? You actually WANT a Wii U?
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Louieturkey on September 26, 2012, 02:56:21 PM
Is there any definitive list of Wii U launch or near launch games? If there's not, could someone toss one together? I want to see what my options are game wise when the system lands.
Here's the list Nintendo published. (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=39365.0)
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Kairon on September 26, 2012, 03:30:23 PM
Is there any definitive list of Wii U launch or near launch games? If there's not, could someone toss one together? I want to see what my options are game wise when the system lands.
Here's the list Nintendo published. (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=39365.0)
Time for some shameless self promotion...
23 Wii U Launch Games in North America (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/news/31888)
7 Wii U eShop Games Have "November" Releases (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/news/31896)
Title: Darksiders 2 news and photos
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 28, 2012, 11:21:46 AM
Some news and Promo shots for Darksiders II on Wii U (might not be exactly new news, but I don't think it's been posted in the forums yet)
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THQ has revealed details on the Wii U version of Darksiders II. Set to arrive on November 18th, Darksiders II on Wii U will offer multiple pieces of bonus content not featured on the Xbox 360, PlayStation 3 or PC versions, including the recently-released Argul’s Tomb content with new dungeons and armor and the Death Rides Pack with three new side quests. Also included will be the Angel of Death and Shadow of Death packs with new legendary armor and weapon choices, plus the upgraded horse speed boost from the Deadly Despair Pack. Players will also have access to additional unique legendary weapon and armor sets from the moment they start the game.
Wii U will also allow players to instantly access inventory and ability menus via the GamePad’s screen, and players will have the choice of using the GamePad or the Wii U Pro controller to play. Darksiders II will also offer the option of using your TV to play, or the choice to entirely use the GamePad’s screen.
It's being able to play entirely on the GamePad that clinches it for me. That's a huge selling point for any game in my book.
It's funny how most people dismiss "console-style" games on handhelds, yet they're all for playing console games on a controller screen.
You're getting the same experience either way.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Adrock on September 28, 2012, 03:57:26 PM
The issue with console-style games on a handheld is that you have to ask, "Why didn't they just put this on a console?"
Being able to play Wii U games on the GamePad is merely a perk to the console experience. If I want to play videogames and someone else wants to you the TV, the option is still there.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: tendoboy1984 on September 28, 2012, 04:07:04 PM
The issue with console-style games on a handheld is that you have to ask, "Why didn't they just put this on a console?"
Being able to play Wii U games on the GamePad is merely a perk to the console experience. If I want to play videogames and someone else wants to you the TV, the option is still there.
But what exactly is wrong with playing console-style games on a handheld? Isn't it good that you can have the same gaming experiece wherever you go?
Playing games like Mario Kart, LittleBigPlanet, God of War, Metal Gear Solid, Uncharted, Assassin's Creed, Ocarina of Time, PS All-Stars, Smash Bros. (etc.) at home or on the go is great.
Sony even gives you the benefit of cross-platform play, allowing you to play the same game wherever you are and have your save files linked. The Vita is an amazing handheld, and it's a shame that it isn't selling well.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Adrock on September 28, 2012, 05:30:57 PM
But what exactly is wrong with playing console-style games on a handheld? Isn't it good that you can have the same gaming experiece wherever you go?
There's nothing "wrong" with it, per se. Not everyone wants to buy another piece of hardware to play certain games. I do it, but I don't want to.
But the convenience of playing your games anywhere, without being tethered to a TV, should outweigh the hardware costs. That's the whole reason Nintendo created the Game Boy, to give you an NES experience on the go (and the GBA is basically a portable Super NES, the PSP is basically a portable PS2, the 3DS is basically a portable GameCube, etc.).
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: NWR_insanolord on September 28, 2012, 06:24:37 PM
I prefer to play most things on a handheld. That's why I really want the Vita to turn things around and be successful. But the Wii U is just perfect, because it gives me both options. I almost exclusively play my handhelds at home, so being restricted in range from the console is no problem for me.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 28, 2012, 08:43:19 PM
I prefer to play most things on a handheld. That's why I really want the Vita to turn things around and be successful. But the Wii U is just perfect, because it gives me both options. I almost exclusively play my handhelds at home, so being restricted in range from the console is no problem for me.
Why would you prefer to play on a tiny ass screen if you could play it on a huge ass screen instead? That makes no sense to me, but to each their own...
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: NWR_insanolord on September 28, 2012, 09:20:01 PM
There are advantages to both, and to me the handheld advantages win out. That's why I love the idea of the Wii U so much, as, at least in some cases, I have the option of doing either one.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: tendoboy1984 on September 28, 2012, 10:09:46 PM
There are advantages to both, and to me the handheld advantages win out. That's why I love the idea of the Wii U so much, as, at least in some cases, I have the option of doing either one.
Agreed. I love my 3DS and my Wii, but the Wii U gives us the best of both worlds. I might just sell my 3DS and Wii when the Wii U comes out.
Dat 6-inch screen!
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: tendoboy1984 on September 28, 2012, 11:07:24 PM
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: TJ Spyke on September 28, 2012, 11:40:19 PM
They also have fake boxart (they didn't even bother using a real Wii U case). Placeholder most likely since Nintendo already confirmed it as a Spring 2013 release.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: tendoboy1984 on September 28, 2012, 11:42:27 PM
They also have fake boxart (they didn't even bother using a real Wii U case). Placeholder most likely since Nintendo already confirmed it as a Spring 2013 release.
Then Walmart needs to update their info.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 29, 2012, 11:30:56 AM
Agreed. I love my 3DS and my Wii, but the Wii U gives us the best of both worlds.
It doesn't give you the 3DS' ability to play games on a bus or on the go. You have to be within a certain distance of the console or else it won't work. So essentially its like playing a handheld but without the portability, which is the main advantage a handheld has.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 29, 2012, 12:43:18 PM
Agreed. I love my 3DS and my Wii, but the Wii U gives us the best of both worlds.
It doesn't give you the 3DS' ability to play games on a bus or on the go. You have to be within a certain distance of the console or else it won't work. So essentially its like playing a handheld but without the portability, which is the main advantage a handheld has.
I believe they also talked about the Wii U using the 3DS's street pass info for some Miiverse interactviity 3DS/WiiU connectivity.
(what ever happened to that gamecard/pedometer thing? was that a WiiFit U accessory?)
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: TJ Spyke on September 29, 2012, 01:00:02 PM
Yes, the pedometer was specifically mentioned for Wii Fit U as an accessory for that game. Maybe others will use it, but it looks like it will only come with the game.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: MrPhishfood on September 29, 2012, 01:43:12 PM
I would like more console-like games for my 3DS but that's just me because my 3DS stays at home all the time. I represent just a portion of handheld owners.
There are a segment of gamers that would like to play their games on the go. People on the move who can only play for short bursts of 5 to 10 minutes and so making a console-like game just eliminates the point of a handheld console and alienates a segment of handheld owners. Trying to complete a Zelda dungeon that normally takes 30 minutes in segments of 5 minute bursts just breaks the experience.
The selling point of a handheld is gaming on the move and that's what I like about Nintendo portable games. Its also the reason I think the Vita doesn't have much third party support, its a handheld that's not trying to be a handheld.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: tendoboy1984 on September 30, 2012, 08:22:49 PM
The selling point of a handheld is gaming on the move and that's what I like about Nintendo portable games. Its also the reason I think the Vita doesn't have much third party support, its a handheld that's not trying to be a handheld.
But the Vita has that GPS / StreetPass thing called "Near", which encourages players to take their handheld outside.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: TJ Spyke on September 30, 2012, 10:02:41 PM
Except Near doesn't work very well, no one seems to know how it works, and you have to specifically choose to use it (whereas StreetPass performs automatically).
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: tendoboy1984 on September 30, 2012, 10:21:29 PM
Except Near doesn't work very well, no one seems to know how it works, and you have to specifically choose to use it (whereas StreetPass performs automatically).
Huh I didn't know that. I guess that's another example of Sony not knowing how to design software properly...
Title: Miiverse & TVii are Wii U's "Killer App"
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 03, 2012, 01:34:53 PM
“I think that it will pleasantly surprise people,” he said. “As the network grows and the installed base grows, it will prove to be a true killer application for the system, and I say this loving what we have done with Nintendo TVii and loving all the games. Until you try it and experience it, you may not totally understand it.” [...] “I compete against time on the PC, time watching TV, and time spent on social networks,” he said. “I already compete with all that stuff, and now you can do it in a new and engaging way.” Specifically, Fils-Aime called attention to the Miiverse because he said there are no other social networks that are specifically built around gaming. Facebook is first a social network with games running on top of the platform, and other platforms, like Apple’s iPhone and iPad, have a Game Center, where game players can go to see high scores or interact with friends. Microsoft’s Xbox also allows players to become friends and chat about their game accomplishments, but Fils-Aime maintains the Miiverse is “a key differentiator compared to other companies in our space.” [...] The Miiverse at launch will be accessible only through the Wii U, but eventually it will be available using any Web-enabled device. “People have to leave the current paradigm behind to understand what we are trying to do. Miiverse is going to be embedded right on the game platform, so literally some of the activity will be able to happen immediately as people experience it,” he said. [...] The GamePad will serve as a resource where consumers can look up additional information about what they are watching, which is commonly done today on phones or laptops. In additional, Nintendo will provide a timeline of screenshots based on what you are currently watching on TV. In a demonstration, Zach Fountain, who heads up TVii for Nintendo, showed me how a snapshot of a touchdown appears moments after it happened during a live game, or how scenes from “Modern Family” propagate the timeline as they happen, with the key moments selected by content curators. Users can comment on the moments, and then share the comments to Twitter or Facebook if they choose. The service will take a lot of work behind the scenes since content curators will have to identify the bigger moments, write captions and create the polls. Nintendo is closely collaborating with a company called i.TV to pull it off. Some technology will be used to make the process more automatic, but it will also take a lot of human interaction since it will be supported 24 hours a day. The equivalent undertaking would be if Facebook were to hire content creators to write and post pictures to users’ walls based on their activities or interests. Fils-Aime said i.TV will be managing the TVii timeline, while Nintendo will be using both internal and external resources to monitor the Miiverse. The Miiverse and TVii are free to anyone who buys a console.
Because of the chatting capabilities across the whole system, Nintendo will be offering strict parental controls, so that parents can dictate how much they want their children to see. If children do have access to the Miiverse, “we’ll be leveraging technology, the community and our own reviewers to determine what’s appropriate for the masses,” Fils-Aime said. “What Miiverse is doing is quite different from anything else that’s being done, especially with the ability to hand draw messages and things of that nature.”
That's a large chunk of the article, but there is more to read at the link.
To sum it all up; Miiverse is it's own gaming focused social network and that includes the TVii service. The TVii service is a 24hour social interaction experience and is free of charge to all who own a Wii U. Parental Controls will be the major determining factor censorship of the service, but there are other safety measures at work too. I doubt there is a censorship free setting.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Caterkiller on October 03, 2012, 01:46:23 PM
Man this Miiverse is hyping me up! This is the feature that has me completely sold!
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Ian Sane on October 03, 2012, 03:27:44 PM
Miiverse, to me, still sounds like "unavoidable spoilers: the feature".
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Adrock on October 03, 2012, 03:31:28 PM
You can get that on a regular message board. Darth Vader is Luke's father. See?
I imagine you can turn Miiverse off.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 05, 2012, 01:16:58 AM
I always meant to buy the Wii version.... these screens just prompted me to pre-order the HD version instead.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Adrock on October 05, 2012, 01:35:04 AM
The game sure does look pretty in HD. I had a hard time getting into the game on the Wii (though I bought it mostly for my brother) so it's a pass for me.
I am crossing my fingers that Sega will port Phantasy Star Online 2 to Wii U. The GamePad is perfect for that game.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 05, 2012, 01:41:14 AM
I want PSO 2 for Vita to come to North America, but a Wii U version that could be played entirely on the GamePad would be even better. Have they said whether Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate can be played just on the controller?
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Adrock on October 05, 2012, 01:49:12 AM
I haven't read anything and details seem scarce. I've only seen this pic of someone playing Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate (http://i.imgur.com/EKq2r.jpg) I would imagine that you can play it just on the GamePad. That would be an extremely odd choice if you couldn't. If it's basically just the 3DS game, then maybe not.
And I can't be bothered with the Vita version of PSO2 because I don't have one. The iOS version is just... no. I'm really, really hoping for a Wii U version and that it's cross-platform (or partially cross-platform) with PC like the Vita version.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: MrPhishfood on October 05, 2012, 05:11:24 AM
I want PSO 2 for Vita to come to North America, but a Wii U version that could be played entirely on the GamePad would be even better. Have they said whether Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate can be played just on the controller?
I can't remember the source but I have read somewhere that Capcom has stated that tentatively there will be the ability to play on just the gamepad.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: tendoboy1984 on October 05, 2012, 11:39:04 AM
Miiverse, to me, still sounds like "unavoidable spoilers: the feature".
Except Miiverse public messages are moderated by Nintendo. Your messages are only displayed when its approved.
Thats only if the messages are flagged/reported.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Caterkiller on October 05, 2012, 12:01:51 PM
It's true, your messages will go out instantly but if the community flags it, it will go down and then have to wait up to 30 min to be approves by Nintendo.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Ceric on October 05, 2012, 12:03:56 PM
Last I heard that anything that was going beyond your circle of friends was curated by Nintendo.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Ian Sane on October 05, 2012, 12:12:10 PM
Miiverse, to me, still sounds like "unavoidable spoilers: the feature".
Except Miiverse public messages are moderated by Nintendo. Your messages are only displayed when its approved.
Nintendo once sent an email about Wind Waker that revealed the details of the last boss fight in the email and this came out before the game was released. Companies don't know what a spoiler is. What we think of as a spoiler is just information that helps promote the game in their mind. Plus while they might be good at keeping ending spoilers from being posted they specifically want people to share tips and tricks. So if you get something like "to beat Psycho Mantis plug your controller in the player two slot" that's both a spoiler and a protip. Unsolicited gameplay advice is a spoiler and that's the whole fucking point of the feature - everyone blabbing about the games they're playing. I want to go in as fresh as I can and only seek out further information by choice. So I either have the turn the feature off or close my eyes as I load games up to avoid reading something.
I don't even look at the threads for new games on this forum. Like I've haven't gone into the Xenoblade thread since the game came out because I haven't beaten it yet and I figure looking at that thread will blow a whole bunch of stuff. But at I can still look at this forum fairly safely while just ignoring a few threads. The Miiverse sounds like you load it up and the posts come at you from all angles.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Caliban on October 05, 2012, 12:25:47 PM
Seriously? It doesn't look that good to me. It looks like Tri running at 1080p from an emulator.
The wireframe models looked like they were ripped straight from the 3DS version. Seeing as how the 3DS and Wii U versions are essentially the same game they would need the same models to maintain the same hitbox detection. The textures have improved dramatically in some areas, if you can find a screen of a Rathalos you'll know what I mean. As far as I can tell the game is actually being rendered in 1080p its no upscale.
Still this is Capcom and I expect plenty of corner cutting from them. I still remember their Resident Evil 4 HD version which was basically a retexture of old RE4.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Fatty The Hutt on October 05, 2012, 05:46:37 PM
@ian, Nintendo confirmed you can turn off MiiVerse features. Christ, you'll bitch about anything.
Title: Shin'en Praise Wii U
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 08, 2012, 02:20:41 AM
Manfred Linzner (CEO at Shin'en Multimedia): has some praise for Nintendo's Wii U http://www.ntower.de/index.php?page=Report&reportID=190 (http://www.ntower.de/index.php?page=Report&reportID=190)
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ML: Well, right now, the Wii U is the strongest console with a lot of potential for the future. You should not forget, that the Wii U GPU is from a different generation than the ones from the current competitors. Because of that, there are many new ways of approaching things. Which, on the one side, are easier to implement than special hybrid solutions that are currently used on the other consoles, and on the other hand, which brings with it a much better performance. In cooperation with the generous working storage you have unbelievable possibilities. You should not forget that you need developers who can actually max out the potential of a console. And with teams like Retro Studios and EAD, Nintendo has an unbeatable advantage.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Chozo Ghost on October 08, 2012, 02:36:39 AM
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ML: Well, right now, the Wii U is the strongest console with a lot of potential for the future. You should not forget, that the Wii U GPU is from a different generation than the ones from the current competitors. Because of that, there are many new ways of approaching things. Which, on the one side, are easier to implement than special hybrid solutions that are currentlyused on the other consoles, and on the other hand, which brings with it a much better performance. In cooperation with the generous working storage you have unbelievable possibilities. You should not forget that you need developers who can actually max out the potential of a console. And with teams like Retro Studios and EAD, Nintendo has an unbeatable advantage
Yet another commentator who doesn't seem to get that the PS360 are on their last legs and won't be the Wii U's real competition. This is like if back in like 2006 someone pointed out how the Wii was more powerful than the PS2, which was certainly true, but...
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Mannypon on October 08, 2012, 03:41:44 AM
Well I like to think BlackNmild posted that since there is still this belief going around that the WiiU isn't even on par with the PS360. This is just more evidence to hopefully put to rest these discussions of "The WiiU is not even stronger than the PS3" and "the WiiU is the Wii all over again".
From everything I've read on various forums among people supposdly "in the know" the WiiU will not be outclassed by the PS4 and 720 as the Wii was by the PS360. The easiest comparision I've heard that can get the point across is that the WiiU will be a low-mid end gaming PC whereas the PS720 will be a high end gaming PC. The WiiU will be able to play everything on the PS720 but will probably have to do it with a few minor bells and wistles downgraded or removed, probably at a lower res, and maybe a lower framerate as a last resort I would assume.
Having just recently upgrading my 5 yr old mid end graphics card (DX 10 compliance) for a mid end card from this generation (DX 11) and maxing out the graphics settings on my current PC games, I can say the increase in performance is nice but nothing too drastic. I'm sure thats the same thing I'll be seeing when comparing WiiU games to PS720 games.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Stogi on October 08, 2012, 03:57:49 AM
Is Wii U even DX11 complaint?
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 08, 2012, 04:13:43 AM
Well I like to think BlackNMild posted that since there is still this belief going around that the WiiU isn't even on par with the PS360. This is just more evidence to hopefully put to rest these discussions of "The WiiU is not even stronger than the PS3" and "the WiiU is the Wii all over again".
Anyone that still thinks Wii U is graphically only capable of PS360 graphics (or barely slightly better) obviously hasn't been paying attention. The first gen games are already looking better on average, and these are the games developed without knowing what their end target even was. the 2nd and 3rd gen games are the ones that will truly show off what the Wii U is capable of, so yes, part of the reason I posted this was just more evidence that Wii U will outperform PS360.
And from what I've heard, in side convo with people supposedly "in the know" is the same as what you heard. Target specs aside, ending results will not be as far a separation as fanboys would like.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Mannypon on October 08, 2012, 04:14:37 AM
Well DX as far as I understand it, and please those more knowledgeable chime in, DX compliance only applies to PCs as its a property of Microsoft. From everything I've read regarding the WiiU and its rumors, it can be argued either way. Some people have said it has DX 11 equivalent features whereas others claim it to only be 10.1. Others have said it supports some of the equivalent features but not all. I don't think we'll know until someone opens up an actual WiiU and sees whats inside.
I think all this is being made to be more than it should. I don't really think it'll matter much if its 10.1 or 11, games will look good on it as long as developers put in the effort. If games like Uncharted and Assassin's Creed 3 can be done on such old hardware such as whats used in the PS360 (which are equivalent to DX9 I believe, don't quote me though) then how much better can games actually look. They look amazing now and if that's what the WiiU can do AT A MINIMUM then I'm fine with that and I'm sure everyone else will be.
If a new Zelda gets released and looks amazing, who in their right minds will care if its running on DX 10 or 11 equivalent hardware? Only fanboys who want to compare spec sheets will care. The majority of gamers won't be able to tell the difference IMO.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 08, 2012, 04:31:23 AM
From what I've heard, it's closer to DX10.75 feature equivalent
fully DX10.1 equivalent with some DX11 features also included.
I'm not a real techie, so I can't go into or recall all the details, but that's basically what it boiled down to.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: ResettisCousin on October 08, 2012, 09:09:08 AM
ML: Well, right now, the Wii U is the strongest console with a lot of potential for the future. You should not forget, that the Wii U GPU is from a different generation than the ones from the current competitors. Because of that, there are many new ways of approaching things. Which, on the one side, are easier to implement than special hybrid solutions that are currentlyused on the other consoles, and on the other hand, which brings with it a much better performance. In cooperation with the generous working storage you have unbelievable possibilities. You should not forget that you need developers who can actually max out the potential of a console. And with teams like Retro Studios and EAD, Nintendo has an unbeatable advantage
Yet another commentator who doesn't seem to get that the PS360 are on their last legs and won't be the Wii U's real competition. This is like if back in like 2006 someone pointed out how the Wii was more powerful than the PS2, which was certainly true, but...
Actually he seems to understand that precise point, and is couching his phrase in a way that is accurate and not going to upset any company in particular. Otherwise he would have left out the word current more than once.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: tendoboy1984 on October 08, 2012, 01:46:36 PM
@Mannypon
I agree. If the PS3 can produce games like Uncharted 3 using 6-year-old hardware, then the Wii U's modern hardware will produce some incredible games.
Some people are claiming that the Wii U is only competing with the current gen systems, but they aren't seeing the bigger picture. The Wii U is the start of the 8th generation, so why are people comparing it to 6-year-old consoles? That's like saying the SEGA Genesis competed with the original NES.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: TJ Spyke on October 08, 2012, 05:02:17 PM
Well, the Genesis technically was competing with the SNES in Sega's eyes and Nintendo's eyes. And the SNES didn't come out until 2 years after Genesis.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 10, 2012, 10:53:03 PM
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Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Oblivion on October 11, 2012, 12:12:55 AM
So, does anyone have any ideas?
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Louieturkey on October 11, 2012, 01:12:15 AM
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Oblivion on October 11, 2012, 07:34:50 PM
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Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Kairon on October 11, 2012, 08:40:21 PM
I love how they totally skimp out on nunchuk controllers.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Caterkiller on October 11, 2012, 10:30:21 PM
I'm going to try and do something Wushu related.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 12, 2012, 03:33:30 AM
Wii no Ma LIVES!!! http://www.inside-games.jp/article/2012/10/11/60455.html
Quote from: Hobby @ NeoGAF
the Wii no Ma company, the joint venture between Nintendo and Dentsu that previously managed the Wii no Ma service in Japan has changed its name to the Nintendo Network Service company on 10/1. Though the Wii no Ma service was discontinued on 4/30/2012, the company wasn't dissolved, and will continue forward doing network services related work.
I thought it was discontinued for cost or usership reasons... I guess it was just being retooled and renamed.
Title: Nintendo Restructuring for 2013
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 13, 2012, 06:39:27 PM
Shikamaru Ninja compiles some interesting tidbits about what Nintendo has planned for the very near future:
Quote from: Shikamaru Ninja @ NeoGAF
Satoru Iwata has big plans for Nintendo Company Limited in 2013. Iwata, who architectured the big restructure of 2002 where he dissolved the legendary Nintendo R&D1 and Nintendo R&D2 to strengthen Nintendo EAD and also create Nintendo SPD. Iwata has long admitted several deficits in the company he wanted to address, including expanding the network team of Nintendo, and initiating another huge rehaul of the software development division.
By December 2012, Iwata hopes to put place a new mysterious restructure of R&D which revolves around a new Kyoto R&D building hoping to exlusively house over 1200 developers. Previously, Nintendo has its R&D split between its main Central Building and its old Kyoto Research Institute Building. It is very unclear how the third R&D building will change the dynamic in Kyoto, but Iwata has mentioned wanting to support expansion as well as efficiency.
Additionally, Nintendo has continued to expand R&D operations in its Tokyo sector. Tokyo being the largest city of Japan by far, has created a window where several veteran developers from Square, SEGA, Koei, Epoch, and Konami can easily transition to join the EAD Tokyo development section.
But alongside all the expansion in Kyoto and Tokyo, comes the biggest news that Shigeru Miyamoto is expected to leave the EAD Division most likely by December 2012. Miyamoto has expressed concern that his presence is over shining all the new producers and directors creating content in the EAD Division (the largest of two gaming divisions at Nintendo). Miyamoto has vocalized his intent of stepping aside as General Manager of EAD to perhaps to create a third development sector where he would work with younger developers and focus on smaller resource, and faster to develop games.
2013 Expected Iwata Changes + Major shift in Kyoto development sources involving 3 R&D buildings + Shigeru Miyamoto stepping down as EAD General Manager + Takash Tezuka becoming new EAD General Manager + New Groups / New Producers announced for EAD Kyoto / SPD Kyoto + EAD Tokyo Expansion / Masahiro Sakurai Possibly Joining EAD Tokyo + New Division lead by Miyamoto with younger staff focused on smaller scale games + Miyamoto's Departure Inspiring New IPs for the EAD Kyoto Division
and for those of don't know Shikamaru Ninja, he has contacts in Nintendo and constantly clues us into things happening behind the scenes. He is a trusted source of Nintendo information coming straight out of Japan.
Quote from: Skiamaru Ninja
I have EAD guys on my facebook. I can post some crazy stuff if i really wanted to. But this is a rather neutral post. And I even posted the sources that hinted at all this stuff.
He post this as a fact (something that is in the works), and not a rumor (speculation based on heresay), but I guess we won't know for sure until it actually happens.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Kairon on October 13, 2012, 07:33:40 PM
If true, I look forward to it. Miyamoto refocusing on smaller projects separate from the main EAD work will force others to step up to the plate and contribute their own new ideas and perspectives, and Miyamoto can be free to work closely developing vital future talent.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: ThePerm on October 14, 2012, 12:50:12 AM
from a strategy game perspective, if you had all the programmers working together making engines, all the artist working together making content you could make **** faster and better.
manager to 30 artists...draw kirby! 90 drawings of kirby in 3 hours
Title: Amazing Spider Man Wii U Spring 2013
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 14, 2012, 05:55:01 AM
The Amazing Spiderman coming to Wii U Spring 2013 http://www.theverge.com/gaming/2012/10/13/3497648/the-amazing-spider-man-coming-to-wii-u-next-spring (http://www.theverge.com/gaming/2012/10/13/3497648/the-amazing-spider-man-coming-to-wii-u-next-spring)
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The Amazing Spider-Man, Marvel and Beenox's latest entry into the web-slinging franchise, will come to the Wii U next spring with all of the title's DLC and special Gamepad functionality, Marvel announced during its NYCC 2012 panel.
The game will feature the expansions that have been released for the Xbox 360 and PS3 versions of the game so far, including the Rhino Challenge Pack, the Oscorp Search and Destroy Pack, the Lizard Rampage Pack, and the delightful Stan Lee Adventure Pack.
The title will feature optional motion controls, and will also let the player use the Gamepad's touchscreen to navigate the interface of the Osphone, Amazing Spider-Man's in-game menu which lets the player chart a path through the city using GPS, among other functions.
looks like Wii U gets the best version.... was the game any good to begin with?
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Tamazoid on October 14, 2012, 10:24:49 AM
I believe it is an average game going by reviews. It has a 68 metacritic. I believe the general consensus was that it was better than the last couple of Spiderman games but 2 (Or was it 1) is the better game.
Looks like Activision has decided to port most of their games to the Wii U. I guess it's still better than EA's support. I'm still very surprised that Ubisoft is arguably the third party that is supporting the Wii U the most.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 14, 2012, 11:06:34 AM
I'm still very surprised that Ubisoft is arguably the third party that is supporting the Wii U the most.
I don't think there's anything arguable about it. Ubi has more games announced for the system than anyone (including Nintendo themselves) including several exclusive titles like ZombiU and Rayman Legends.
Title: Re: Amazing Spider Man Wii U Spring 2013
Post by: broodwars on October 14, 2012, 11:11:46 AM
The Amazing Spiderman coming to Wii U Spring 2013 http://www.theverge.com/gaming/2012/10/13/3497648/the-amazing-spider-man-coming-to-wii-u-next-spring (http://www.theverge.com/gaming/2012/10/13/3497648/the-amazing-spider-man-coming-to-wii-u-next-spring)
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The Amazing Spider-Man, Marvel and Beenox's latest entry into the web-slinging franchise, will come to the Wii U next spring with all of the title's DLC and special Gamepad functionality, Marvel announced during its NYCC 2012 panel.
The game will feature the expansions that have been released for the Xbox 360 and PS3 versions of the game so far, including the Rhino Challenge Pack, the Oscorp Search and Destroy Pack, the Lizard Rampage Pack, and the delightful Stan Lee Adventure Pack.
The title will feature optional motion controls, and will also let the player use the Gamepad's touchscreen to navigate the interface of the Osphone, Amazing Spider-Man's in-game menu which lets the player chart a path through the city using GPS, among other functions.
looks like Wii U gets the best version.... was the game any good to begin with?
I Platinum-ed the PS3 version, and I thought it was quite good. I didn't like it as much as that team's previous SM: Shattered Dimensions game, but I enjoyed my time with it. I don't see much point to releasing the Wii U version of the game so long after the film even hits home video, but whatever. The DLC was never anything special from all accounts, so at least you get that for free.
And I'm sorry, but Spider-Man 2 was always a terrible game. People just got enamored with the web-slinging mechanic and forgot that everything else about that game was **** (especially compared to Ultimate Spider-Man, which followed it).
Title: Re: Nintendo Restructuring for 2013
Post by: tendoboy1984 on October 14, 2012, 11:13:49 AM
Shikamaru Ninja compiles some interesting tidbits about what Nintendo has planned for the very near future:
Quote from: Shikamaru Ninja @ NeoGAF
Satoru Iwata has big plans for Nintendo Company Limited in 2013. Iwata, who architectured the big restructure of 2002 where he dissolved the legendary Nintendo R&D1 and Nintendo R&D2 to strengthen Nintendo EAD and also create Nintendo SPD. Iwata has long admitted several deficits in the company he wanted to address, including expanding the network team of Nintendo, and initiating another huge rehaul of the software development division.
By December 2012, Iwata hopes to put place a new mysterious restructure of R&D which revolves around a new Kyoto R&D building hoping to exlusively house over 1200 developers. Previously, Nintendo has its R&D split between its main Central Building and its old Kyoto Research Institute Building. It is very unclear how the third R&D building will change the dynamic in Kyoto, but Iwata has mentioned wanting to support expansion as well as efficiency.
Additionally, Nintendo has continued to expand R&D operations in its Tokyo sector. Tokyo being the largest city of Japan by far, has created a window where several veteran developers from Square, SEGA, Koei, Epoch, and Konami can easily transition to join the EAD Tokyo development section.
But alongside all the expansion in Kyoto and Tokyo, comes the biggest news that Shigeru Miyamoto is expected to leave the EAD Division most likely by December 2012. Miyamoto has expressed concern that his presence is over shining all the new producers and directors creating content in the EAD Division (the largest of two gaming divisions at Nintendo). Miyamoto has vocalized his intent of stepping aside as General Manager of EAD to perhaps to create a third development sector where he would work with younger developers and focus on smaller resource, and faster to develop games.
2013 Expected Iwata Changes + Major shift in Kyoto development sources involving 3 R&D buildings + Shigeru Miyamoto stepping down as EAD General Manager + Takash Tezuka becoming new EAD General Manager + New Groups / New Producers announced for EAD Kyoto / SPD Kyoto + EAD Tokyo Expansion / Masahiro Sakurai Possibly Joining EAD Tokyo + New Division lead by Miyamoto with younger staff focused on smaller scale games + Miyamoto's Departure Inspiring New IPs for the EAD Kyoto Division
and for those of don't know Shikamaru Ninja, he has contacts in Nintendo and constantly clues us into things happening behind the scenes. He is a trusted source of Nintendo information coming straight out of Japan.
Quote from: Skiamaru Ninja
I have EAD guys on my facebook. I can post some crazy stuff if i really wanted to. But this is a rather neutral post. And I even posted the sources that hinted at all this stuff.
He post this as a fact (something that is in the works), and not a rumor (speculation based on heresay), but I guess we won't know for sure until it actually happens.
Why would Nintendo be telling him this stuff if they know he'll just leak it all over the interwebs? He's just some random NeoGAF poster, I doubt he has access to confidential info from the higher-ups at Nintendo.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Lithium on October 14, 2012, 11:43:49 AM
Tendo boy is making sense?
actually to be honest i don't even know, I allways get Tendoboy, chozo ghost and kytim mixed up in my head.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: tendoboy1984 on October 14, 2012, 01:27:08 PM
Why would Nintendo be telling him this stuff if they know he'll just leak it all over the interwebs? He's just some random NeoGAF poster, I doubt he has access to confidential info from the higher-ups at Nintendo.
I don't know what his occupation is, but he has confirmed enough stuff to be taken seriously. He lives in Japan and seems to know some of these people on a personal level.
And believe it or not, but a lot of people with ties to the industry have GAF accounts, they just don't always say that because then people would hit them up for info all the time on the forums.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: tendoboy1984 on October 14, 2012, 11:12:26 PM
Why would Nintendo be telling him this stuff if they know he'll just leak it all over the interwebs? He's just some random NeoGAF poster, I doubt he has access to confidential info from the higher-ups at Nintendo.
I don't know what his occupation is, but he has confirmed enough stuff to be taken seriously. He lives in Japan and seems to know some of these people on a personal level.
And believe it or not, but a lot of people with ties to the industry have GAF accounts, they just don't always say that because then people would hit them up for info all the time on the forums.
Even still, the people who work at Nintendo might/will lose their jobs for leaking info to this "Shikimaru Ninja" guy.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 14, 2012, 11:23:16 PM
Why would Nintendo be telling him this stuff if they know he'll just leak it all over the interwebs? He's just some random NeoGAF poster, I doubt he has access to confidential info from the higher-ups at Nintendo.
I don't know what his occupation is, but he has confirmed enough stuff to be taken seriously. He lives in Japan and seems to know some of these people on a personal level.
And believe it or not, but a lot of people with ties to the industry have GAF accounts, they just don't always say that because then people would hit them up for info all the time on the forums.
Even still, the people who work at Nintendo might/will lose their jobs for leaking info to this "Shikimaru Ninja" guy.
Not our problem nor our concern. He knows what he is doing and he doesn't share the supposed "crazy" stuff that he does know. I'm sure that if he thought that anything he was sharing would endanger the well being of one of his sources, he wouldn't share it.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 15, 2012, 12:36:58 AM
tendoboy, chozo, kytim, oblivion, and therat are the same poster: confirmed.
Title: Retro's NEW Studio
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 15, 2012, 12:49:14 AM
Retro Studios gets some new Digs http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.n1ntendo.nl%2Farticle%2F38959%2F1%2FAll%2Fretro-studios-verhuist-naar-een-veel-groter-kantoor&act=url (http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.n1ntendo.nl%2Farticle%2F38959%2F1%2FAll%2Fretro-studios-verhuist-naar-een-veel-groter-kantoor&act=url)
They moved to a MUCH larger building, which is understandable, considering all the new people they've been hiring recently.
Old: (http://i.imgur.com/DqB54.jpg)
New: (http://i.imgur.com/5sU1O.jpg)
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: TrueNerd on October 15, 2012, 01:52:12 AM
I really want a new Retro developed Metroid Prime for the Wii U. It's been five years since Corruption. My body is ready.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Caterkiller on October 15, 2012, 11:41:41 AM
I want another game with Other M as a templet. 3rd person but no controller flipping or fusion style weapon unlocks.
I don't think Retro is working on anything Metroid. When I talked to an employee, everything he said made it clear he would never even hint at the project but it certainly wasn't Metroid.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 15, 2012, 12:29:09 PM
I'm sure Retro would do a great job with Metroid again, but they're arguably Nintendo's best development studio, and I want to see them do something they haven't done already. Ideally their own brand new project, but if it has to be an existing Nintendo franchise I want it to be something new to them.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Ian Sane on October 15, 2012, 02:54:07 PM
Nintendo restructuring so that Miyamoto has his own team and is less involved with everyone else would (probably) be great. With Miyamoto having his finger is so many pies it tends to make Nintendo's lineup feel too similar. The guy is probably the best game designer ever BUT his approach is not the only one that's worthwhile. He absolutely stinks at stories, for example, and tends to stick to more family friendly themes. On the NES and SNES Nintendo had Yokoi's team which had a different style than Miyamoto. On the N64 they had Rare. It was nice to get games that were of the typical Nintendo quality but didn't necessarily feel like the games EAD made. On the Cube and Wii it's just all too much EAD-style. Retro provides something different but they're just not prolific enough. We've only gotten two games a generation from them.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Adrock on October 15, 2012, 03:15:06 PM
Nintendo restructuring so that Miyamoto has his own team and is less involved with everyone else would (probably) be great. With Miyamoto having his finger is so many pies it tends to make Nintendo's lineup feel too similar. The guy is probably the best game designer ever BUT his approach is not the only one that's worthwhile. He absolutely stinks at stories, for example, and tends to stick to more family friendly themes. On the NES and SNES Nintendo had Yokoi's team which had a different style than Miyamoto. On the N64 they had Rare. It was nice to get games that were of the typical Nintendo quality but didn't necessarily feel like the games EAD made. On the Cube and Wii it's just all too much EAD-style. Retro provides something different but they're just not prolific enough. We've only gotten two games a generation from them.
Agreed, and hopefully that's subject to change with their moving to a larger campus and hiring way more employees.
Miyamoto focusing on smaller games just makes perfect sense. Mario, Zelda, Star Fox, and even Pikmin all started with such a simple, fun concept that is later broadened and expanded on. If Miyamoto could trend away from that aspect of stretching the idea into a large, and ultimately, expensive game and just focus on experimenting and finding new concepts with a team, then he could make the next Mario or Zelda again. Those ideas that he finds could then be shared to other teams.
It just makes sense, and I'm glad Iwata and Miyamoto agree.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: tendoboy1984 on October 15, 2012, 10:05:48 PM
I don't think Retro is working on anything Metroid. When I talked to an employee, everything he said made it clear he would never even hint at the project but it certainly wasn't Metroid.
Wouldn't it be funny if that guy was pulling your leg the whole time, and come E3 2013, Nintendo unveils Metroid Prime 4? ;)
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Tamazoid on October 16, 2012, 01:07:35 PM
I'm sure Retro would do a great job with Metroid again, but they're arguably Nintendo's best development studio, and I want to see them do something they haven't done already. Ideally their own brand new project, but if it has to be an existing Nintendo franchise I want it to be something new to them.
The gritty survival horror reboot of Ice Climbers will finally be realized.
Personally I have a feeling they are working on a new IP.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Mannypon on October 16, 2012, 01:30:39 PM
Have them revive Raven Blade or any other WRPG so that I don't have to wait years before 3rd parties decide to port over the inevitable Elder Scrolls 6 and Fallout 4. Have Retro show the world how great the gamepad would be for western styled rpgs. Besides, I'd love to see what they would create. I'm sure it'll look amazing and the atmosphere would be unparalleled.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Caterkiller on October 16, 2012, 03:25:06 PM
Have them revive Raven Blade or any other WRPG so that I don't have to wait years before 3rd parties decide to port over the inevitable Elder Scrolls 6 and Fallout 4. Have Retro show the world how great the gamepad would be for western styled rpgs. Besides, I'd love to see what they would create. I'm sure it'll look amazing and the atmosphere would be unparalleled.
Speaking of Raven Blade I talked with Retro about it as well. I should have taken notes or something but i'm no journalist plus if I started jotting down notes our simple shooting of the breeze might not have lasted as long as it did.
I asked him, so what ever happened to Raven Blade? I'm paraphrasing but it went something this, "If you had actually seen what Raven Blade was, you wouldn't even ask about it. It wasn't even a game, it had no direction, just a few vague ideas thrown together."
He went on about it for a little while with absolutely nothing good to say, but from the sounds of it, if we ever got a Raven Blade it would be in name only cause the game that was there was barely a game to begin with. Something about having a few concepts ready for development on GameCube and nothing more.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Ceric on October 16, 2012, 03:56:01 PM
... I should have taken notes or something but i'm no journalist plus if I started jotting down notes our simple shooting of the breeze might not have lasted as long as it did. ...
Always wear a wire.
Personally, if I could get away with it I would. If I could get Voice Recognition Software that could spit out transcripts so they be searchable later that be awesome. No more ambiguity on what everyone said a couple months back.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: TJ Spyke on October 16, 2012, 04:03:43 PM
... I should have taken notes or something but i'm no journalist plus if I started jotting down notes our simple shooting of the breeze might not have lasted as long as it did. ...
Always wear a wire.
Personally, if I could get away with it I would. If I could get Voice Recognition Software that could spit out transcripts so they be searchable later that be awesome. No more ambiguity on what everyone said a couple months back.
I know you are joking, but you would need to make sure to check the laws of where you were. Some states have it illegal to record someone else without their permission.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: EasyCure on October 16, 2012, 09:53:27 PM
I'm sure Retro would do a great job with Metroid again, but they're arguably Nintendo's best development studio, and I want to see them do something they haven't done already. Ideally their own brand new project, but if it has to be an existing Nintendo franchise I want it to be something new to them.
The gritty survival horror reboot of Ice Climbers will finally be realized.
Personally I have a feeling they are working on a new IP.
What was that 3rd-party Wii game, a survival horror title, set on a mountain with evil spirits and whatnot? Make that with Resident Evil 0 and you pretty much have it.. SWEET!
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Mop it up on October 16, 2012, 10:06:08 PM
... I should have taken notes or something but i'm no journalist plus if I started jotting down notes our simple shooting of the breeze might not have lasted as long as it did. ...
Always wear a wire.
Personally, if I could get away with it I would. If I could get Voice Recognition Software that could spit out transcripts so they be searchable later that be awesome. No more ambiguity on what everyone said a couple months back.
I know you are joking, but you would need to make sure to check the laws of where you were. Some states have it illegal to record someone else without their permission.
Disclosure Hat.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: ShyGuy on October 17, 2012, 12:15:17 AM
I gave Black N Mild a copy of Cursed Mountain. Hey BNM! You ever play it?
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: tendoboy1984 on October 17, 2012, 06:06:06 PM
I gave Black N Mild a copy of Cursed Mountain. Hey BNM! You ever play it?
Actually I did play it briefly. I don't think I got very far into it, although the thought has crossed my mind lately to pick it back up and get further into it....but I've pretty much given my Wii away at this point.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: EasyCure on October 17, 2012, 11:15:17 PM
I'd love to borrow it.. I just finished the last two new games I've gotten for my Wii (Skyward Sword and Metroid: Other M) and while I still have a few games I haven't fully finished (Trauma Center, Rune Factory Frontier) they're the types that can be played in short bursed, whereas Cursed Mountain would be something I'd want to experience in full, so 1 or 2 hour sessions...
just sayin'
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: tendoboy1984 on October 18, 2012, 05:14:02 PM
...but they (Retro Studios) are arguably Nintendo's best development studio...
Proof that Western developers are better at making games than the Japanese? :cool;
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 18, 2012, 05:17:49 PM
Well, the reason I said "arguably" is EAD Tokyo, who have proven themselves extremely talented and I could easily see putting ahead of Retro on such a list, and they're Japanese, so I wouldn't say that.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: tendoboy1984 on October 18, 2012, 05:21:45 PM
Well, the reason I said "arguably" is EAD Tokyo, who have proven themselves extremely talented and I could easily see putting ahead of Retro on such a list, and they're Japanese, so I wouldn't say that.
It was a troll-bait comment. I was being sarcastic.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 18, 2012, 05:23:20 PM
I figured as much, but I wanted to clarify my statement anyway.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Ceric on October 18, 2012, 05:26:13 PM
Old Digs looks cooler for Retro.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 19, 2012, 09:46:12 PM
Curious about what changes Nintendo & Team Ninja made to Ninja Gaiden 3 for Wii U? Hint: Dismemberments only found on the Wii U version? http://www.2d-x.com/ninja-gaiden-3-razors-edge-for-wii-u-jusr-keeps-getting-better/ (http://www.2d-x.com/ninja-gaiden-3-razors-edge-for-wii-u-jusr-keeps-getting-better/)
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For an action game of Ninja Gaiden‘s caliber, the direction Team Ninja went with Ninja Gaiden 3 was utterly baffling and insulting for long-time fans, who had come to cherish the technical combat and brutal difficulty of previous titles. Ninja Gaiden 3: Razor’s Edge is Team Ninja’s attempt at correcting the issues that ruined the original release, and I’m pleased to report that they’ve made huge strides on that front. While there are still a few niggling technical issues with Razor’s Edge, I’d argue that it is a truer sequel to Ninja Gaiden 2 than 3.
Sounds like ALOT of changes were made and this may now be alot closer to the game people were hoping for the first time around.
all the details at the link, for those that are interested.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Caterkiller on October 20, 2012, 01:08:09 AM
Curious about what changes Nintendo & Team Ninja made to Ninja Gaiden 3 for Wii U? Hint: Dismemberments only found on the Wii U version? http://www.2d-x.com/ninja-gaiden-3-razors-edge-for-wii-u-jusr-keeps-getting-better/ (http://www.2d-x.com/ninja-gaiden-3-razors-edge-for-wii-u-jusr-keeps-getting-better/)
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For an action game of Ninja Gaiden‘s caliber, the direction Team Ninja went with Ninja Gaiden 3 was utterly baffling and insulting for long-time fans, who had come to cherish the technical combat and brutal difficulty of previous titles. Ninja Gaiden 3: Razor’s Edge is Team Ninja’s attempt at correcting the issues that ruined the original release, and I’m pleased to report that they’ve made huge strides on that front. While there are still a few niggling technical issues with Razor’s Edge, I’d argue that it is a truer sequel to Ninja Gaiden 2 than 3.
Sounds like ALOT of changes were made and this may now be alot closer to the game people were hoping for the first time around.
all the details at the link, for those that are interested.
Great article, specifically because the person who wrote played through the horrible Ps360 version, so his insight is very significant. I was worried about this game at first but now I'm a bit more relieved.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: ymeegod on October 20, 2012, 01:59:09 AM
There's still plenty wrong with NG3 though, he didn't state anything about the QTE's (way to many in the oringal) or new enemy types (there's to few in the orginal).
Overall there's plenty of improvements but the one thing I thought was odd was "charging time was reduced?". It was already pretty damn quick and overpowerful and now it's being reduced?
Part of me really wished I skipped over NG3 but at the time NG3 RE wasn't announced :(.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: tendoboy1984 on October 20, 2012, 02:39:26 AM
There's still plenty wrong with NG3 though, he didn't state anything about the QTE's (way to many in the oringal) or new enemy types (there's to few in the orginal).
Overall there's plenty of improvements but the one thing I thought was odd was "charging time was reduced?". It was already pretty damn quick and overpowerful and now it's being reduced?
Part of me really wished I skipped over NG3 but at the time NG3 RE wasn't announced :( .
A majority of combo-based action-combat games have QTE's. Devil May Cry, God of War, Ninja Gaiden, etc. all have them.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: ymeegod on October 20, 2012, 03:31:40 AM
You clearly didn't play NG3, it was total overkill with QTE, bosses had them, cutscenes, even basic enemy fights, and yes even the platform selections.
Ninja Gaiden didn't have any prior to 3 and I'm not sure about the entire series of DMC since I skipped 2 but they didnt' have any either and the new one DMC is stated not to have any neither.
The only one you got right was the God of War series which has them during cutscenes, boss battles, and chests. It's not as bad as NG3. Ninja Blade is about the only other action game that abused the QTE more than NG3 though in NB defence it's QTE was a bit more interesting since if you missed it "continued" on anyhow with NG3 if you miss you'll end up repeating it over and over.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 30, 2012, 11:14:06 PM
Gearbox praises the uMote http://www.joystiq.com/2012/10/30/aliens-colonial-marines-xenomorphic-perspective-and-wii-u-pote/
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"This is the best controller Nintendo's ever made for making an FPS," Pitchford told Joystiq. "This is the best controller Nintendo has ever given us for playing hardcore games."
Well, let's hope that translates into some serious hardcore and FPS support.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: tendoboy1984 on October 31, 2012, 12:39:07 AM
I'm sick of this whole "hardcore" mentality among gamers. Newsflash: The gaming industry doesn't revolve around you guys. Ever heard of "expanding the gaming audience"? Video games are for everyone, just like movies, books, TV shows, etc.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 31, 2012, 12:55:48 AM
The gaming industry is a complex organism, and it can and should serve multiple audiences, including the so-called hardcore. It can't only be about us, but on the other hand it does need to be about us to some degree. It's not unreasonable to hope companies will support a system you're interested in in ways that appeal to you.
Title: Bayonetta News Next Week
Post by: Caterkiller on October 31, 2012, 02:05:24 PM
From Twitter. https://twitter.com/PG_kamiya/status/263493378761711617 (https://twitter.com/PG_kamiya/status/263493378761711617)
We should see Bayonetta news next week from a magazine apparently.
Also I know everyone might know already but no GTA V for Wii U. http://www.product-reviews.net/2012/10/31/gta-v-release-date-for-opposing-seasons/ (http://www.product-reviews.net/2012/10/31/gta-v-release-date-for-opposing-seasons/)
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 31, 2012, 10:18:41 PM
Also I know everyone might know already but no GTA V for Wii U. http://www.product-reviews.net/2012/10/31/gta-v-release-date-for-opposing-seasons/ (http://www.product-reviews.net/2012/10/31/gta-v-release-date-for-opposing-seasons/)
I don't see where it says No release for Wii U.
It's a known fact right now that Nintendo is holding future releases close to it's chest for strategiv reveals closer to when the game is releasing. we don't know of more than 3-4 announced games currently in development that will be out after Xmas 2012 and I don't think any (other than SSB) that will definitely be out after March 2013 (post FY2012).
So I wouldn't count out GTA V on Wii U just yet, as it's more likely that since it is using PC assets, it will be announced along side the PC version. Or atleast that's what we can hope.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Caterkiller on October 31, 2012, 10:54:24 PM
Also I know everyone might know already but no GTA V for Wii U. http://www.product-reviews.net/2012/10/31/gta-v-release-date-for-opposing-seasons/ (http://www.product-reviews.net/2012/10/31/gta-v-release-date-for-opposing-seasons/)
I don't see where it says No release for Wii U.
It's a known fact right now that Nintendo is holding future releases close to it's chest for strategiv reveals closer to when the game is releasing. we don't know of more than 3-4 announced games currently in development that will be out after Xmas 2012 and I don't think any (other than SSB) that will definitely be out after March 2013 (post FY2012).
So I wouldn't count out GTA V on Wii U just yet, as it's more likely that since it is using PC assets, it will be announced along side the PC version. Or atleast that's what we can hope.
I hope your right.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Louieturkey on November 01, 2012, 04:38:04 PM
Also I know everyone might know already but no GTA V for Wii U. http://www.product-reviews.net/2012/10/31/gta-v-release-date-for-opposing-seasons/ (http://www.product-reviews.net/2012/10/31/gta-v-release-date-for-opposing-seasons/)
I don't see where it says No release for Wii U.
It's a known fact right now that Nintendo is holding future releases close to it's chest for strategiv reveals closer to when the game is releasing. we don't know of more than 3-4 announced games currently in development that will be out after Xmas 2012 and I don't think any (other than SSB) that will definitely be out after March 2013 (post FY2012).
So I wouldn't count out GTA V on Wii U just yet, as it's more likely that since it is using PC assets, it will be announced along side the PC version. Or atleast that's what we can hope.
I hope your right.
I think we all hope for this.
Title: Miyamoto on F-Zero! and lesser things...
Post by: Caterkiller on November 03, 2012, 06:56:04 PM
Translated from French but it's certainly readable. http://www.gamekult.com/actu/miyamoto-la-wii-u-et-le-secret-de-la-triforce-A105550.html (http://www.gamekult.com/actu/miyamoto-la-wii-u-et-le-secret-de-la-triforce-A105550.html)
Trying to fix it...
Just click the link and send it through Google Translate if your browser doesn't translate it automatically. I'm having a hard time with copy and paste.
Speaks about how Link got his name, Metroid for Wii U(nothing really) and things like he hopes to be alive in 10 years.
For Metroid he basically say's the ideas he has for Metroid are reflected in the Nintendo Land game. Hmmm?
Gamekult: After a quick survey on Twitter, one of the game French gamers miss the most is F Zero. Nobody really understands why Nintendo hasn't made a new one since 2004. Is there a chance we can see it back on Wii U?
Miyamoto: :eyes open wide: I am really pleased to hear Twitter's opinion, because since the first episode on SNES many games have been made but the series has little evolved.I thought people had grown weary of it. I'd like to say: Thank you very much and try to wait by playing Nintendoland's FZero minigame.I am also very curious and I'd like to ask those people: Why FZero? What do you want that we haven't done before?
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Luigi Dude on November 03, 2012, 11:49:54 PM
He's pretty much saying the last F-Zero games were failures sales wise and Nintendo isn't going to make a new one in the recent future because the lack of an audience. Even though GX was highly praised, it only sold a few hundred thousand worldwide which was pretty poor because of the huge budget the game had. It didn't help that the lower budget GBA games managed to sell way worse as well.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Spak-Spang on November 04, 2012, 12:44:56 AM
You know...they just need to make a fun and accessible F-Zero game.
The N64 game was a blast. It was a very deep racer, but it felt accessible. The Gamecube game was NOT accessible and although it was fun, was just too hard.
I am curious what Nintendo can do to innovate the series. I don't want it to go into weapons based racing...but I would love to see some revisions to the ramming aspects of the game. How can that be done better? Combat in F-Zero is pretty cool...and of course those crazy futuristic jumps and tracks. I would also like to see multi-branching tracks and online play.
Basically F-Zero could be Nintendo's big online racer to sell to gamers.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: NWR_insanolord on November 04, 2012, 01:41:41 AM
Seems like it would be a perfect fit for a Wii U eShop game. I've gotten the impression over the years that Miyamoto likes the series, and if he really is stepping down from EAD to do smaller projects, doing a smaller, more experimental download F-Zero game seems right up his alley.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Caterkiller on November 04, 2012, 02:11:18 AM
Releasing GX nearly the same day as Soul Calibur 2 was a mistake. Still if people wanted it they would have gotten it. At the very least after this interview(much like Ridley and Sakurai), Miyamoto has more consideration for F Zero. At this point though if one is released it won't be for years.
Also did anyone read the Zelda portion? Link in modern day times would pretty refreshing, at least on the aesthetic side. Seems at this point it would never happen though.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: IceCold on November 04, 2012, 02:30:17 AM
What I got from that excerpt is that he believes (and rightly I think) that f zero gx was pretty much all you could ask for gameplay-wise from an f-zero game. It's not like Zelda and Mario where the worlds are so expansive, the gameplay so varied and the universes so conducive to new and interesting ideas. More than anything miyamoto cherishes creativity and with f zero you just can't do that anymore without significantly changing core mechanics.
F zero gx is my second favourite game of the last 10 years. It is the most thrilling, the most hypnotisingly brutal, the most rewardingly painful game I have ever played. Changing it to be an "accessible online racing game" is about the worst Nintendo can do. And miyamoto realises this.
So all in all, while an f zero game would excite me, I think that Nintendo is probably right in leaving that franchise to rest for some more time.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Ceric on November 04, 2012, 08:07:22 AM
What I got from that excerpt is that he believes (and rightly I think) that f zero gx was pretty much all you could ask for gameplay-wise from an f-zero game. It's not like Zelda and Mario where the worlds are so expansive, the gameplay so varied and the universes so conducive to new and interesting ideas. More than anything miyamoto cherishes creativity and with f zero you just can't do that anymore without significantly changing core mechanics.
F zero gx is my second favourite game of the last 10 years. It is the most thrilling, the most hypnotisingly brutal, the most rewardingly painful game I have ever played. Changing it to be an "accessible online racing game" is about the worst Nintendo can do. And miyamoto realises this.
So all in all, while an f zero game would excite me, I think that Nintendo is probably right in leaving that franchise to rest for some more time.
I have to disagree their since it reliable crashed my Gamecube. That being said a $30 HD Remake I buy.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: tendoboy1984 on November 04, 2012, 10:44:18 AM
If you guys want a modern F-Zero game, try Shin'en's "FAST Racing League" on WiiWare, or Sony's WipeOut series on PlayStation.
I still don't get how the N64 got a WipeOut game. That series is published and owned by Sony.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: azeke on November 04, 2012, 11:59:02 AM
I have to disagree their since it reliable crashed my Gamecube. That being said a $30 HD Remake I buy.
I bought used copy last year and apparently it was scratched or something. Imagine beating hard challenge and get an error message about faulty disc D: Still, great game.
I have to disagree their since it reliable crashed my Gamecube. That being said a $30 HD Remake I buy.
I bought used copy last year and apparently it was scratched or something. Imagine beating hard challenge and get an error message about faulty disc D: Still, great game.
Weird, I also had the same problem.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 06, 2012, 12:58:58 AM
“The performance problem of hardware nowadays is not clock speed but ram latency. Fortunately Nintendo took great efforts to ensure developers can really work around that typical bottleneck on Wii U,” Nano Assault developer Manfred Linzner told Not Enough Shaders
“They put a lot of thought on how CPU, GPU, caches and memory controllers work together to amplify your code speed. For instance, with only some tiny changes we were able to optimize certain heavy load parts of the rendering pipeline to six times the original speed, and that was even without using any of the extra cores.
“Also Nintendo took care that other components like the Wii U GamePad screen streaming, or the built-in camera don’t put a burden on the CPU or GPU.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Caterkiller on November 06, 2012, 01:42:01 AM
Stuff like that is always great to read. I don't know what it means I just know its good.
Title: Wii U capable of jaw dropping visuals.
Post by: Caterkiller on November 06, 2012, 02:37:18 AM
I lost the part about jaw dropping visuals and I messed up the quote boxes. Hopefully it doesn't bleed into everything else. Night! ]http://www.notenoughshaders.com/2012/11/03/shinen-mega-interview-harnessing-the-wii-u-power/ (http://www.notenoughshaders.com/2012/11/03/shinen-mega-interview-harnessing-the-wii-u-power/)
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When testing our first code on Wii U we were amazed how much we could throw at it without any slowdowns, at that time we even had zero optimizations. The performance problem of hardware nowadays is not clock speed but ram latency. Fortunately Nintendo took great efforts to ensure developers can really work around that typical bottleneck on Wii U. They put a lot of thought on how CPU, GPU, caches and memory controllers work together to amplify your code speed. For instance, with only some tiny changes we were able to optimize certain heavy load parts of the rendering pipeline to 6x of the original speed, and that was even without using any of the extra cores.
When asked about slower CPU.
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We didn’t have such problems. The CPU and GPU are a good match. As said before, today’s hardware has bottlenecks with memory throughput when you don’t care about your coding style and data layout. This is true for any hardware and can’t be only cured by throwing more megahertz and cores on it. Fortunately Nintendo made very wise choices for cache layout, ram latency and ram size to work against these pitfalls. Also Nintendo took care that other components like the Wii U GamePad screen streaming, or the built-in camera don’t put a burden on the CPU or GPU.
Who feels just a little better about Wii U? It's a long interview, read it!
Sorry double post.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Caterkiller on November 06, 2012, 11:23:03 PM
NOTE: It say's Nintendo Network ID is a NUMBER, but reports from random people are saying it does not call it a number on the Japanese site.
All of this is very exciting, and Ian can even turn all spoilers off. Still I'm not sure I understand everything.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: MrPhishfood on November 07, 2012, 03:58:09 PM
This is the most interesting of all the Iwata Asks. They make it sound so simple but they are talking about some very deep stuff. I am happy to hear they have taken in to consideration the asshole/annonimity thing.
This is all very experimental stuff and as they said, the real development begins after launch.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 08, 2012, 01:25:06 AM
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Caterkiller on November 08, 2012, 02:13:52 AM
God this sounds great!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: MrPhishfood on November 08, 2012, 03:31:03 AM
That little bit at the end about Mehrabian's Rule was particularly interesting.
27. Mehrabian's Rule: A rule proposed in 1971 by American psychologist Albert Mehrabian. According to his research, the influence that someone's behavior has on another person is composed at follows: linguistic information such as speech content (7%), auditory information such as the tone and speed of speech (38%) and visual information such as how someone looks (55%).
Its like they are trying to enforce people to share only positive experiences thereby making Miiverse something that you can look to in a positive light when everyone else shares their positive experiences with you. Like some kind of domino effect.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Caterkiller on November 08, 2012, 03:02:47 PM
I think this is the beginning of something big. This is what every other hardware maker will copy once this takes off. I can feel it in my good toe.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: tendoboy1984 on November 08, 2012, 07:55:23 PM
In a way I can't really see Miiverse not ultimately doing a version of Achievements.
"Caterkiller defeated this Challenge with Ridley in 5 Minutes" "Corbran defeated this challenge w/ Fox only, No Item, Final Destination"
You know your right. The way things were set up in those quick Mario U vids and screens, I think the miiverse way will certainly satisfy me.
Hopefully your Ridley vision will come to be as well.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Caliban on November 12, 2012, 01:25:42 PM
You know why you don't need any of these silly achievements/accomplishments/trophies? You are given the ability to do so yourself if you wish by leaving a message to your "friends" saying what you did. Basically you can create your own achievements/accomplishments/trophies. Except you won't get any "prize" other than the fellow recognition of your deeds should you decide to post them. You can also lie LOL.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Ceric on November 12, 2012, 02:39:54 PM
You know why you don't need any of these silly achievements/accomplishments/trophies? You are given the ability to do so yourself if you wish by leaving a message to your "friends" saying what you did. Basically you can create your own achievements/accomplishments/trophies. Except you won't get any "prize" other than the fellow recognition of your deeds should you decide to post them. You can also lie LOL.
That is what diminish thems plus the shared experience aspect.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: MrPhishfood on November 12, 2012, 02:56:29 PM
Achievements take some of the fun out of the game for me really. Games can some times feel like a chore if I want to get full completion, especially if its a really boring and repetitive task. Not all developers make good use of them either and the points/trophies offered varies greatly regardless of difficulty in obtaining it.
Its something best left to the player in my opinion. The whole Miiverse + screenshots seems like a much better way to encourage player made achievements/challenges.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: shingi_70 on November 12, 2012, 03:37:41 PM
Eh lack of ahcivements is bullshit. Its not like nintendo would have to do anything extra as devs are making them for other systems anyway. Miiverse seems like it would be made for achievments.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: broodwars on November 12, 2012, 03:40:47 PM
I think you all know where I stand on Achievements/Trophies: I like collecting them, and most of you probably don't. That's fine (hey, we all have our individual tastes), but whereas you guys may not enjoy collecting them, you can also ignore them. I, on the other hand, am being told by Nintendo that I flat-out can't have a part of the gaming experience I enjoy.
From my experience, if the achievements aren't part of a system-level service Devs probably won't support them. This comes off as Nintendo "taking their ball and going home" when it comes to industry standards. They wouldn't (or couldn't) create a system as good as or better than the current achievement/trophy system that is the industry standard, so they just decided they weren't going to support one at all. And as trivial as they may be to you, to me achievements/trophies are an enjoyable part of my day-to-day gaming experience. But more than that, it's also yet another small sign that Nintendo isn't nearly as interested in appealing to the core gamer as they said they were last year. On its own? Not a big deal, but this stuff adds up over time.
The lack of them on Wii U will probably mean that unless the Wii U version of multiplatform titles is just that much better (hah!) or the PS3/PS4/etc. version is just that broken, I'll probably stick with the Wii U as my Nintendo-only box. I spent most of this current generation with my Nintendo console collecting dust, un-played, in a corner, and I'm perfectly fine with doing the same for the next generation if that's how Nintendo wants it. I don't "need" Nintendo anymore for all my gaming needs, so I don't have to put up with their BS anymore.
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Post by: Ceric on November 12, 2012, 03:55:28 PM
... I, on the other hand, am being told by Nintendo that I flat-out can't have a part of the gaming experience I enjoy. ... or the PS3/PS4/etc. version is just that broken ...
Good News! Nintendo has told us squat about achievements.
More Good News! PS3 hasn't been getting overly much love and seem to be getting broken things.
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Post by: broodwars on November 12, 2012, 04:00:51 PM
Good News! Nintendo has told us squat about achievements.
Because there's nothing to say: there apparently are no system-level achievements.
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More Good News! PS3 hasn't been getting overly much love and seem to be getting broken things.
I have no idea what you mean by this. Aside from Bethesda titles (which are broken everywhere, just to different degrees), I think I have to reach back to the original version of Bayonetta to find a PS3 game off the top of my head that was just flat-out broken compared to its counterparts on other consoles.
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Post by: Ceric on November 12, 2012, 04:04:24 PM
Good News! Nintendo has told us squat about achievements.
Because there's nothing to say: there apparently are no system-level achievements.
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More Good News! PS3 hasn't been getting overly much love and seem to be getting broken things.
I have no idea what you mean by this. Aside from Bethesda titles (which are broken everywhere, just to different degrees), I think I have to reach back to the original version of Bayonetta to find a PS3 game off the top of my head that was just flat-out broken compared to its counterparts on other consoles.
Please Quote Nintendo Saying that. The only thing I have found from Nintendo is this (http://wiiudaily.com/2012/06/wii-u-achievements-confirmed-by-nintendo/) and this (http://www.nintendo-gamer.net/2012/06/06/does-the-wii-u-have-achievements-were-saying-yes/).
In fact the only person saying their is no system-level achievements is Scribblenauts. Only thing I can find from Nintendo is that they are not forcing achievements. Nothing saying they will restricted to just in the game.
You know why we're at it. I will confirm right now that the Wii U also makes Toast.
I know why your affiliated the way you are.
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Post by: broodwars on November 12, 2012, 04:13:48 PM
OK, here you go: http://kotaku.com/5917363/better-friend-codes-achievements-and-more-nintendo-answers-our-burning-wii-u-questions
That's from June 11, 2012.
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System-Level Achievements Some of Nintendo's top game designers don't want to put Achievements in their games (http://kotaku.com/5740114/a-nintendo-argument-against-achievements), but Nintendo has put an Achievement-like system in the 3DS, mostly to reward people for feats involving the system's Street Pass networking system. In other words, the system itself has Achievements. "We will have that," Fils-Aime said. "Once you start getting into game-specific [Achievements] that's developer driven." Microsoft may require every game to have Achievements, but, Fils-Aime said, "That is not our philosophy."
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I know why your affiliated the way you are.
Oh? Pray tell. :P:
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Post by: Ceric on November 12, 2012, 04:18:22 PM
OK, here you go: http://kotaku.com/5917363/better-friend-codes-achievements-and-more-nintendo-answers-our-burning-wii-u-questions (http://kotaku.com/5917363/better-friend-codes-achievements-and-more-nintendo-answers-our-burning-wii-u-questions)
That's from June 11, 2012.
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System-Level Achievements Some of Nintendo's top game designers don't want to put Achievements in their games (http://kotaku.com/5740114/a-nintendo-argument-against-achievements), but Nintendo has put an Achievement-like system in the 3DS, mostly to reward people for feats involving the system's Street Pass networking system. In other words, the system itself has Achievements. "We will have that," Fils-Aime said. "Once you start getting into game-specific [Achievements] that's developer driven." Microsoft may require every game to have Achievements, but, Fils-Aime said, "That is not our philosophy."
So far they are saying their will be System-level Achievements but they are not forcing developers to do them.
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Post by: MrPhishfood on November 12, 2012, 05:09:37 PM
From my experience, if the achievements aren't part of a system-level service Devs probably won't support them. This comes off as Nintendo "taking their ball and going home" when it comes to industry standards.
I just don't see how achievements are an industry standard. Its only something Microsoft implemented this generation and something Sony copied afterwards. The only real benefit I see to having achievements are making you play the game in new and unexpected ways.
I think people who want achievements are only those who have a physological drive to be better than others and showing off that arbitrary number makes them feel better about themselves. Even then its not implemented fairly because the points/trophies you get and the difficulty + time spent in obtaining it aren't equal across all games. Avatar The Last Airbender anyone? 1000g in 4 minutes.
Valve make great use of achievements. Other developers just tack it on because its a requirement. I think if the developers wanted you to play the game in more interesting ways then they should do something within the game to make that happen. It just takes you out of the immersion if you have to go to the menu screen, look at the achievements then back to the game and repeat until you have everything.
In fact even before I went to play some games on 360 I would look at the achievement list and think about the shortest number of playthroughs I would need to get all the achievements. In the end I probably didn't have as much fun as I could have, I was just completing a check list of chores. I could have not looked at the list and not played the game like I did but the fact those achievements existed made me want to. Maybe I have an obsession with being a perfectionist and maybe people who actually like achievements are perfectionists too.
I respect what Nintendo are doing by not including it because they want their console to be associated with fun and sharing those experiences. Not so much about making your friends and random people think how lacking they are as gamers or how lacking you are compared to others. It is unwholesome.
If developers want to include their own checklist then they can but I wouldn't want it pubically available for all to see.
Ultimately what can achievements do for us that can't be done any other way?
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Post by: broodwars on November 12, 2012, 07:23:03 PM
I just don't see how achievements are an industry standard. Its only something Microsoft implemented this generation and something Sony copied afterwards.
Yes, 3 out of the 4 major PC/console gaming powers have adopted achievements as a standard practice: Microsoft, Sony, and Valve. Nintendo is the only company who doesn't. Whether you like them or not, that would make achievements an industry standard.
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*snip* I respect what Nintendo are doing by not including it because they want their console to be associated with fun and sharing those experiences. Not so much about making your friends and random people think how lacking they are as gamers or how lacking you are compared to others. It is unwholesome.
If developers want to include their own checklist then they can but I wouldn't want it pubically available for all to see.
Ultimately what can achievements do for us that can't be done any other way?
So because you can't handle achievement systems and you have psychological problems with other people online seeing your gaming progress, no one else should be allowed to enjoy such a system. OK, got it. ::) To each their own, man, but I think your reasoning is misguided and rationalizing.
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Post by: Ymeegod on November 12, 2012, 08:33:07 PM
Actually I think Nintendoland does have "achievements".
"We’ve heard for some time now that Wii U will offer something like achievements in the form of “Accomplishments,” but with something as important as an account-based feature it’s best not to assume until you’ve seen it in action. According to those who have gone hands-on with Nintendo Land, the game will make use of achievements, and they’ll take on the in-game form of stamps, trophies, and “Master Rank” stars.
You can rack up these accomplishments, as you might expect, by your performance in each of the attractions and by expanding your Nintendo Land plaza with special Nintendo-themed collectibles, which you’ll purchase with coins you earn as you play. Miiverse connectivity will also factor in via online leaderboards, as we’d heard previously." In NSMB U there's an Challenge Mode option for those looking for "trophies".
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 12, 2012, 10:18:59 PM
Actually I think Nintendoland does have "achievements".
"We’ve heard for some time now that Wii U will offer something like achievements in the form of “Accomplishments,” but with something as important as an account-based feature it’s best not to assume until you’ve seen it in action. According to those who have gone hands-on with Nintendo Land, the game will make use of achievements, and they’ll take on the in-game form of stamps, trophies, and “Master Rank” stars.
You can rack up these accomplishments, as you might expect, by your performance in each of the attractions and by expanding your Nintendo Land plaza with special Nintendo-themed collectibles, which you’ll purchase with coins you earn as you play. Miiverse connectivity will also factor in via online leaderboards, as we’d heard previously." In NSMB U there's an Challenge Mode option for those looking for "trophies".
care to link a source so you can put this dispute to bed?
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Post by: MagicCow64 on November 12, 2012, 11:05:43 PM
I find achievements pretty worthless, Zynga-esque dopamine-addiction tools for the most part. The amount of times they've encouraged me to do something interesting vs. just activating dormant OCD receptors is slim. I would point to Bulletstorm, though, as a positive example of having ongoing activity goals that actually help sculpt the experience in interesting and rewarding ways. AND that system is primarily in-game, not system based.
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Post by: ShyGuy on November 12, 2012, 11:31:31 PM
MagicCow64 dropping knowledge!
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on November 13, 2012, 12:08:59 AM
I've never been a fan of achievements, or at least have never gone out of my way to get them. I think the only game that I've ever gotten 1000 points on was King Kong.
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Post by: Kairon on November 13, 2012, 12:18:31 AM
I'm not impressed with achievements. I know there are people who will actively go out and buy/rent and play games, even bad games, just to boost their achievement score. I don't know if that's because they really enjoy doing that, or because the extrinsic motivation of a gamer score is capable of over-riding their intrinsic motivation of playing for fun.
...But I guess even if that were the case, there's nothing wrong with extrinsic motivation: people are extrinsically motivated all the time! We do things we don't want to do because of money, because of authority, because of love... If it's because of a high score who's to say that's bad?
... Still, I'm not a fan of forcing achievements on every game, on every gamer, and on every interaction. I'm fine with a game-by-game basis. I'm fine with MiiVerse asking me if it's worth posting about something. I prefer that. Though it probably means that Nintendo is upholding their personal principles of fun in this case instead of exploiting human psychology for profit.
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Post by: broodwars on November 13, 2012, 12:46:16 AM
Though it probably means that Nintendo is upholding their personal principles of fun in this case instead of exploiting human psychology for profit.
Hah! Yes, Nintendo's complete reliance on nostalgia in pretty much every single one of their franchises certainly isn't "exploiting psychology" at all! :P: ;)
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Post by: Evan_B on November 13, 2012, 12:59:31 AM
As much as I like showing off how much I've done, I can do so on a site like Backloggery and not my gamer account. Besides, the majority of games have absolutely ridiculous achievements that require little to no effort, so nothing lost there.
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Post by: Ymeegod on November 13, 2012, 01:11:26 AM
Why not check this site's homepage? http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/news/31699
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Post by: MrPhishfood on November 13, 2012, 02:28:20 AM
Hah! Yes, Nintendo's complete reliance on nostalgia in pretty much every single one of their franchises certainly isn't "exploiting psychology" at all! :P: : : ;)
What I think Kairon's trying to get across is Nintendo does not rely on negative aspects of the human mind. Such as when they said Animal Crossing would have no paid DLC because it would make the experience unwholesome. Though they didn't say it directly I interpreted it as "we don't want to make this a game about the have and have-nots"
Yes, 3 out of the 4 major PC/console gaming powers have adopted achievements as a standard practice: Microsoft, Sony, and Valve. Nintendo is the only company who doesn't. Whether you like them or not, that would make achievements an industry standard.
I had to go look this up, but my feeling about what "industry standard" means was fairly close.
Copy-pasted from somewhere else: Industry standard is the optimum criteria for any industry to function and carry out operation in their respective fields of production. For example, in the case of automobile industry, sizes of the tire serve as a means of standardization.
So unlike player control input, achievements aren't necessary for video gaming and so therefore are not industry standard. You could still say achievements are a widespread practice within the video game industry.
So because you can't handle achievement systems and you have psychological problems with other people online seeing your gaming progress, no one else should be allowed to enjoy such a system. OK, got it. To each their own, man, but I think your reasoning is misguided and rationalizing.
Gamer profiles on 360 can always be set to private, other people seeing my score isn't an issue. I do have some accomplishments I am proud of, like full completion of Super Meat Boy. Apart from what I dislike about achievements there is another problem with them. Other people. Like going in to a co-op online game and instead of actually playing the game people are trying to get achievements.
I think achievements do more bad than good. For all the things that people like about achievements it can probably be done a different way with the exception of one. Getting a sense of self satisfaction from increasing your e-peen.
This argument about achievements could go back and forth forever. I've put forth my own clear cut opinion on achievements, so why don't you broodwars.
You said you like collecting them. What do you like about making that number bigger and bigger? (is this also a phychological problem?)
Is there anything else that you like about the achievement systems?
For all the things you like do you think it can be implemented a different way?
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on November 13, 2012, 11:05:36 AM
Given that achievements are entirely optional, I don't get how so many people here are against them being there. When done well, they really add something to the game, and when they aren't done well you don't have to pay any attention to them. There is literally no downside to including them, at least as an option, and I think it's a mistake not to support something that everybody else does.
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Post by: Adrock on November 13, 2012, 11:29:47 AM
There is a downside. You see, when you... um... SHUT UP, THAT'S WHY!
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Post by: Caterkiller on November 13, 2012, 11:36:31 AM
I certainly would rather achievements be there than not. I just know if the equivalents in Metroid and Pokemon don't do anything for me nothing will. Well except for Smash Bros of course, those things mean something!
In Pokemon when I'm accepting my long list of "achievements" I look away from the screen and just tap A until the guy rewarding me shuts up. I don't even know how I earned those things. This is from a guy with over 600 hours on Soul Silver, 598 hours on Black and almost 70 hours and counting on black 2.
I think Miiverse is going to prove way more hardcore and actually useful than achievements ever will.
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Post by: Kairon on November 13, 2012, 11:50:50 AM
Though it probably means that Nintendo is upholding their personal principles of fun in this case instead of exploiting human psychology for profit.
Hah! Yes, Nintendo's complete reliance on nostalgia in pretty much every single one of their franchises certainly isn't "exploiting psychology" at all! :P: ;)
In this case. ^_~
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Post by: MagicCow64 on November 13, 2012, 04:14:37 PM
An easy way to defuse the debate would be for the achievement points to actually be worth something. Like, 1,000 points equals $1 on Xbox Live. You'd get a ton of user engagement in exchange for a mild discount on virtual wares, which are already free to reproduce.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on November 13, 2012, 04:18:00 PM
They're doing something along those lines on Xbox Live now. You get rewards of Microsoft Spacebucks at certain times, and how much you get depends on your Gamerscore. It's basically nothing, but it's still sort of rewarding the score. Making them actually cost the company something is a really bad way to convince Nintendo to start doing them, though.
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Post by: shingi_70 on November 13, 2012, 06:05:18 PM
Saw a clearer shot of the Wii U menu screen in one of the preview videos of chasing aurora.
(http://i.minus.com/iwCUuWjoiLADp.jpg)
Have to saw it looks much better in the clearer image. I do think it could be better but its a nice clean interface. I know I complained about it earlier, but looking at it more its nice and simple and has a nintendoish flair.
That's not to say I don't think they could do better.
Hah! Yes, Nintendo's complete reliance on nostalgia in pretty much every single one of their franchises certainly isn't "exploiting psychology" at all! :P: : : : : : : ;)
What I think Kairon's trying to get across is Nintendo does not rely on negative aspects of the human mind.
I think nostalgia is a pretty negative aspect of the human mind, IMO. You're remembering and sanctifying things as better than they actually were, choosing to live in the past instead of looking forward to the future.
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This argument about achievements could go back and forth forever. I've put forth my own clear cut opinion on achievements, so why don't you broodwars.
You said you like collecting them. What do you like about making that number bigger and bigger? (is this also a phychological problem?)
Is there anything else that you like about the achievement systems?
For all the things you like do you think it can be implemented a different way?
Suffice it to say that when I start a game, I consider Achievements/Trophies to be a personal challenge to me from the developers. Sometimes I accept it, and sometimes I don't depending on the time investment and my skill with a particular genre. Overall they contribute to a satisfying secondary feedback loop where the game acknowledges my actions onscreen outside of the scope of the in-game systems. I perform something skill-full, and the game essentially stops for a moment to praise my actions before moving on.
Especially when it comes to earning a title's Platinum trophies, I find the hunt a rewarding way to fully learn and appreciate a game's mechanics. As I demonstrate my understanding of a game's systems, the game acknowledges me for it. And when I obtain a game's Platinum, I have proven my mastery of those mechanics. For me, the hunt is satisfying and expands my knowledge and skill of a particular title perhaps further than I would pursue otherwise. It's also fun to look at my friends' trophy cards online and see what they've been playing and how far they've gotten.
Really, the only big thing I would add to the existing system is an in-game rewards system as well, such as I've seen in titles like the two Final Fantasy XIII games (trophies unlocked PS3 XMB themes) and Xenoblade.
I can fully understand if people don't care for achievement-hunting. It's not for everyone, and it certainly helps that I'm rather completion-ist by nature. Much like everything else in life, I really don't care how you enjoy your games so long as you're not negatively impacting my experience. If it brings you enjoyment, good for you.
But I find it striking that on every platform that does support achievement systems, people tend to be pretty accepting of the whole thing and its culture regardless of their interest in it. It only seems to be a segment of Nintendo fans, the ones who don't have an Achievement system, who seem so hell-bent to force on other people the "right way" to enjoy their games.
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Post by: Kairon on November 14, 2012, 12:04:29 AM
Hah! Yes, Nintendo's complete reliance on nostalgia in pretty much every single one of their franchises certainly isn't "exploiting psychology" at all! :P: : : : : : : : : ;)
What I think Kairon's trying to get across is Nintendo does not rely on negative aspects of the human mind.
I think nostalgia is a pretty negative aspect of the human mind, IMO. You're remembering and sanctifying things as better than they actually were, choosing to live in the past instead of looking forward to the future.
Just to clarify, I said in this case. Nintendo has their bag of tricks, just like everybody else. But I do feel that they have a somewhat consistent theme about where they draw the lines they choose not to cross. No Paid DLC in Animal Crossing New Leaf is one of them. NOT mandating Achievements in every single game is also one of them. However, they will gleefully cross that nostalgia line multiple times over, and also ask consumers to pay full-price for up-ports of classic games (see: Famicom Classics line on GBA).
I used to think that was a good mock-up, but now that I realize that the Miis are supposed to live and interact in the Wara Wara Plaza, this combination channel+Mii in one screen mockup makes absolutely no sense within the two-screen paradigm of the Wii U. A lot of old mockups make no sense actually, the Wii U has some unique properties we're not used to taking into account.
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Post by: MrPhishfood on November 14, 2012, 04:00:42 AM
@broodwars So you like being told you've done something special for a second time. Pretty much everything you like about achievements can be done without being system wide. If developers don't think its necessary then I don't see why they should include them. Isn't it likely that the games with the most pointless achievements are the ones where the devs thought it was unnecessary.
I don't hate achievements, I liked how it was done in Smash Bros and Kid Icarus. I just loathe Microsoft's implementation.
It only seems to be a segment of Nintendo fans, the ones who don't have an Achievement system, who seem so hell-bent to force on other people the "right way" to enjoy their games.
Are you saying because Nintendo-only players don't have achievements they think nobody should have them. Quite a generalization, where have you seen this? After the news about the Wii U not having achivements came out I've seen people voicing their opinion on the matter, usually to the tune of "I never really cared for them". What I have not seen are many people saying "I hope the Wii U doesn't have achievements" before the news came out.
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Post by: Stogi on November 14, 2012, 04:22:36 AM
I used to think that was a good mock-up, but now that I realize that the Miis are supposed to live and interact in the Wara Wara Plaza, this combination channel+Mii in one screen mockup makes absolutely no sense within the two-screen paradigm of the Wii U. A lot of old mockups make no sense actually, the Wii U has some unique properties we're not used to taking into account.
It actually makes a lot of sense if you are not using your TV in tandem with the Gamepad, which could happen in the instance of someone else using the TV.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on November 15, 2012, 02:27:12 PM
Another feature of the Wii U, discovered by IGN, is that the system automatically turns off after about an hour with no controller input (including while pausing a game). PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360 have this, but they have to be turned on. This feature appears to be on by default with Wii U. Not a big deal to me since I don't just leave my system alone for over an hour though.
Another feature of the Wii U, discovered by IGN, is that the system automatically turns off after about an hour with no controller input (including while pausing a game). PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360 have this, but they have to be turned on. This feature appears to be on by default with Wii U. Not a big deal to me since I don't just leave my system alone for over an hour though.
This is actually a very good thing for me. My wife constantly watches Netflix and doesn't seem to understand when the Wii is turned off. I wake up in the morning and see that little green light hoping the thing didn't burn it's self out.
I've also had toddlers go after the Wii and thne grab it without me realizing they have turned it on. So this will actually be a useful feature for me. I can recall maybe once where I had to pause the game and leave it for more than an hour at a time. 20 minutes is too much for me, I just couldn't have the thing idle for so long. I suppose if you play games for a living and your lunch break is approaching you pause it in those odd areas that are hard to save at. Can't imagine that happening in most house holds, but I could be in the minority.
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Post by: MrPhishfood on November 15, 2012, 03:01:22 PM
This is actually a very good thing for me. My wife constantly watches Netflix and doesn't seem to understand when the Wii is turned off. I wake up in the morning and see that little green light hoping the thing didn't burn it's self out.
Seems Nintendo put a lot more thought in to this than I would have. Being a single guy with my own entertainment setup having a feature like that is pretty much useless.
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Post by: Ceric on November 15, 2012, 03:14:42 PM
I actually get pulled off for more than an hour all the time in the middle of the something. As long as it just goes into hibernation and save your state. I'll probably turn it off.
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Post by: ShyGuy on November 15, 2012, 03:40:14 PM
UncleBob sent me a picture of the Wii U Deluxe. They are now in store at Wal-Mart. Don't wait line, it's robbery time!
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Post by: EasyCure on November 15, 2012, 07:43:02 PM
UncleBob sent me a picture of the Wii U Deluxe. They are now in store at Wal-Mart. Don't wait line, it's robbery time!
lets round up a posse!
Did I hear someone say POSSE!?
(http://i.imgur.com/lirOm.jpg)
Time to mount up boys!
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Post by: EasyCure on November 15, 2012, 10:28:58 PM
Is it racist to think you should've ended it with a Blazing Saddles joke?
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Post by: Shaymin on November 15, 2012, 10:46:05 PM
Gentlemen, you are risking your lives... and I am risking a sure Academy Award nomination for Best Supporting Actor.
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Post by: EasyCure on November 15, 2012, 10:55:24 PM
It CAN be done Shaymin, we just need an elaborate plan and everyone to be a team player. Can we count on you? Cuz if you're not with us, you're.. *takes safety off gun* against us.. *cold stare*
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 15, 2012, 10:57:30 PM
"But BNM.... they said you was hung!?"
"and they was right" ;)
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Post by: ShyGuy on November 16, 2012, 03:06:00 AM
WHERE ALL THE WHITE WOMEN AT
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Post by: Shaymin on November 16, 2012, 07:41:47 AM
Never mind that ****, HERE COMES MONGO!! (http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a328/dragonmick/mcmichael2.jpg)
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 16, 2012, 09:17:37 AM
Wii U GamePad Details revealed liquid fast proprietary wifi; 26ft range is conservative (could be 4x that... and possibly longer) http://www.polygon.com/2012/11/16/3653294/wii-u-range-test-gamepad (http://www.polygon.com/2012/11/16/3653294/wii-u-range-test-gamepad)
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The technology, co-developed by Nintendo and wireless and broadband communication giant Broadcom, marries run-of-the-mill WiFi with a power bit of proprietary software to create a two-way stream of low-latency, high-definition video and controls between the WIi U and its innovative GamePad. [...] The technology is built on top of something called WiFi Miracast, which Broadcom first developed last summer. It's a system that is specifically designed to deal with interference issues while maintaining liquid fast two-way communication.
Broadcom and Nintendo then teamed up to create a more solid system for the Wii U to GamePad connection.
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While the official specs for the Wii U's GamePad say that it will operate properly at a distance between 8 inches and a bit more than 26 feet from the console, Polygon found that we could get quite a bit more out of the connection. And set-ups in rural location could close to quadruple that distance.
Pawling, a town of 8,400 nestled in upstate New York's Harlem Valley, is a haven free of many interfering radio frequencies. Residents of the town struggle to get cell phone service and FM or AM radio broadcasts. The small population also means there's not a very high density of radio frequencies in the area.
That's bad for making cell phone calls, but great for extending the usefulness of the Wii U's GamePad.
In Pawling, we found that you could use the GamePad well outside the 26-foot recommended range of the device.
It worked in adjoining bedrooms, bathrooms, outside, in an office, up stairs, at a distant kitchen table and even in the boiler room amidst furnaces and massive oil drums.
Placed outside, we were able to play New Super Mario Bros. U on the GamePad's screen while nearly twice the recommended range from the television. [...] Tests in the lab were able to maintain connections between the Wii U and the GamePad at more than 100 feet, he said.
So why does Nintendo say it only reaches 26 feet? [...] So Nintendo created a range that their studies showed would reflect the experience of "99.9 percent of all users," he said. "We've done many multiples of (Nintendo's suggested range), but Nintendo's perspective is that they want to guarantee a flawless user experience."
And it's possible that even that longer range could be extended.
While Bekis was clear that Nintendo hasn't talked about the idea of using repeaters or range extenders with the Wii U and GamePad, he did say that the technology supports their use.
more & video @ the link
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Post by: Mannypon on November 16, 2012, 01:19:28 PM
Wii U GamePad Details revealed liquid fast proprietary wifi; 26ft range is conservative (could be 4x that... and possibly longer) http://www.polygon.com/2012/11/16/3653294/wii-u-range-test-gamepad (http://www.polygon.com/2012/11/16/3653294/wii-u-range-test-gamepad)
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The technology, co-developed by Nintendo and wireless and broadband communication giant Broadcom, marries run-of-the-mill WiFi with a power bit of proprietary software to create a two-way stream of low-latency, high-definition video and controls between the WIi U and its innovative GamePad. [...] The technology is built on top of something called WiFi Miracast, which Broadcom first developed last summer. It's a system that is specifically designed to deal with interference issues while maintaining liquid fast two-way communication.
Broadcom and Nintendo then teamed up to create a more solid system for the Wii U to GamePad connection.
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While the official specs for the Wii U's GamePad say that it will operate properly at a distance between 8 inches and a bit more than 26 feet from the console, Polygon found that we could get quite a bit more out of the connection. And set-ups in rural location could close to quadruple that distance.
Pawling, a town of 8,400 nestled in upstate New York's Harlem Valley, is a haven free of many interfering radio frequencies. Residents of the town struggle to get cell phone service and FM or AM radio broadcasts. The small population also means there's not a very high density of radio frequencies in the area.
That's bad for making cell phone calls, but great for extending the usefulness of the Wii U's GamePad.
In Pawling, we found that you could use the GamePad well outside the 26-foot recommended range of the device.
It worked in adjoining bedrooms, bathrooms, outside, in an office, up stairs, at a distant kitchen table and even in the boiler room amidst furnaces and massive oil drums.
Placed outside, we were able to play New Super Mario Bros. U on the GamePad's screen while nearly twice the recommended range from the television. [...] Tests in the lab were able to maintain connections between the Wii U and the GamePad at more than 100 feet, he said.
So why does Nintendo say it only reaches 26 feet? [...] So Nintendo created a range that their studies showed would reflect the experience of "99.9 percent of all users," he said. "We've done many multiples of (Nintendo's suggested range), but Nintendo's perspective is that they want to guarantee a flawless user experience."
And it's possible that even that longer range could be extended.
While Bekis was clear that Nintendo hasn't talked about the idea of using repeaters or range extenders with the Wii U and GamePad, he did say that the technology supports their use.
more & video @ the link
Thanks for all the info BnM, I'm currently majoring in networking and network security so hearing about these new wireless technologies is fascinating to me. I love the part of using repeaters and extenders. I never thought of that and that'll really go a long way to extending their range. I would love it if Nintendo were to release a repeater that I could place near the bathroom and/or bedroom if the Gamepad doesn't get that far in my house.
Oh, and I would've loved to see that posse picture photoshoped with your avatar faces lol. Thats something Neogaf is always good for, I always find them hilarious lol.
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Post by: EasyCure on November 16, 2012, 07:48:16 PM
Oh, and I would've loved to see that posse picture photoshoped with your avatar faces lol. Thats something Neogaf is always good for, I always find them hilarious lol.
NWR no longer likes FUN it seems, so you've come to the wrooong place my friend. Get yourself a time Machine and meet us back in 2005, you'd have a ball..
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Post by: Oblivion on November 16, 2012, 08:03:59 PM
I blame insanolord.
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Post by: EasyCure on November 16, 2012, 08:12:31 PM
Perhaps the most important detail concerning Wii U and hard drives is this - self-powered drives (i.e. ones that you not only connect by USB but also power through an AC adapter plugged into an outlet) will definitely work with the system. Bus-powered discs, apparently, either won't work until a future update or won't be directly confirmed by Nintendo as able to work until a future time. Either way, it seems as though self-powered HDDs are the better option at this point. Some drives are able to be powered only through USB 3.0. As we noted in our original story (below), 3.0 drives are not promised to work, though Nintendo has clarified these devices will effectively operate at USB 2.0.
Ah crap, I bought a bus-powered hard drive last weekend specifically for my Wii U. It does say bus-powered just isn't "directly confirmed" so I guess it'll be a gamble when I bring the system home later tonight!
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 18, 2012, 12:04:19 PM
Oh hoh! Very clever. More space for a bigger battery. Thought I wouldn't buy third party batteries, even though they have a higher mAH it doesn't always mean you get a longer charge.
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Post by: Louieturkey on November 19, 2012, 05:04:12 AM
Oh hoh! Very clever. More space for a bigger battery. Thought I wouldn't buy third party batteries, even though they have a higher mAH it doesn't always mean you get a longer charge.
Here's hoping Nintendo plans to sell higher mAh batteries in the future.
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Post by: Ceric on November 19, 2012, 04:14:43 PM
Yeah, Nintendo would never put that much space if they didn't either:
A) Originally planned on a bigger battery B) Will put a bigger Battery on sell
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Post by: Fatty The Hutt on November 19, 2012, 04:20:11 PM
C) Will put bigger (longer lived) battery in "Wii U Lite" on sale 8 months from now.
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Post by: Ceric on November 19, 2012, 04:23:31 PM
C) Will put bigger (longer lived) battery in "Wii U Lite" on sale 8 months from now.
That still B)
I thought you meant they would just sell a bigger battery (since that's what you said). I was adding they would sell a new updated system.
Alright I'll give you that. In my mind that still be just selling a bigger battery Gamepad wise.
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Post by: Kairon on November 21, 2012, 12:13:30 PM
I definitely plan on upgrading my gamepad's battery when a good solution comes along.
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Post by: ShyGuy on November 22, 2012, 11:07:43 PM
Digital Foundry did a head to head to head comparison on Mass Effect III. Surprise! the PS3 port had the worst frame rate. Nobody is crack-heading it up over the PS3 version though. Nintendo bigotry!
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Post by: Shaymin on November 22, 2012, 11:10:00 PM
People shouldn't be buying ME3 on WiiU because of graphic issues, they shouldn't be buying it because it's a totally incomplete experience.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on November 22, 2012, 11:13:15 PM
What's insulting is that EA is charging the same price for the Wii U special edition of ME3 as they are for the Xbox 360/PlayStation 3 trilogy that contains all 3 ME games. If I own a Wii U and a Xbox 360 or PlayStation 3, am I gonna pay $60 for ME3 on Wii U or pay $60 to get all 3 games on another system?
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Post by: MysticGohan on November 23, 2012, 02:24:26 AM
And their giving it no DLC, which is a low blow, considering they recently released leviathan.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 30, 2012, 11:21:35 PM
Clock Speeds for Wii U revealed
https://twitter.com/marcan42
No one is impressed. Internet erupts with "I told you so"'s
Everyone must remember that performance is not directly revealed by clock speeds alone. There are other factors at play and the Wii U CPU is more than it's clock speeds suggest.
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Post by: Caterkiller on November 30, 2012, 11:46:18 PM
Yeah, saw all that. Let's just see what Nintendo's teams come up with before naively thinking Wii U has peaked already.
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Post by: ShyGuy on November 30, 2012, 11:59:50 PM
No one is impressed. Internet erupts with "I told you so"'s
Everyone must remember that performance is not directly revealed by clock speeds alone. There are other factors at play and the Wii U CPU is more than it's clock speeds suggest.
The guy who revealed the clock even said not judge it by the clock speed.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 01, 2012, 12:03:19 AM
I know, but I did't feel like digging out quotes. So I just summed it all up in as few comments as I felt would get the point across.
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Post by: EasyCure on December 01, 2012, 12:04:19 AM
No one is impressed. Internet erupts with "I told you so"'s
Everyone must remember that performance is not directly revealed by clock speeds alone. There are other factors at play and the Wii U CPU is more than it's clock speeds suggest.
The guy who revealed the clock even said not judge it by the clock speed.
Do you think the internet will listen?
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Post by: MysticGohan on December 01, 2012, 12:10:34 AM
no, but it can be bitch smacked properly from across the aisle :D
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on December 01, 2012, 12:27:30 AM
You've got to take into account many things - like that the GameCube's 486Mhz PowerPC CPU was essentially more capable than the Xbox's 733Mhz Pentium. Also, according to some reports, it is based on the same type of technology found in Watson (though Watson is a gigantic super computer with 2,880 8-core CPUs).
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Post by: ShyGuy on December 01, 2012, 01:11:53 AM
This is the notable quote from the Wii U hacker:
"So yes, the Wii U CPU is nothing to write home about, but don't compare it clock per clock with a 360 and claim it's much worse. It isn't."
No. Most comments I've read are proclaiming the sky is falling which is par for the course. The Internet has been predicting Nintendo's doom since Al Gore invented it.
Here, Wii U's "Espresso" CPU apparently sucks because it doesn't trounce Cell/Xenon. What many of these people wanted (or even audaciously expected) was for Wii U to be so powerful that it could handle anything PS3/360 could through sheer "brute force," optimization be damned.
Truth is though that that quote can be taken in more ways than one.
It isn't much worse? or it's not worse? Which one did he mean? [/devil's advocate]
I took it to mean that, all things considered, it's about on par at best or slightly worse at worst. Or more aptly, it's better at some things, worse at others so depending on what developers need it to do or use it for would yield different opinions. I think it's a good sign that Wii U launch ports generally run pretty well despite a few hiccups in some of them. If Espresso was so "horrible and slow," these games probably wouldn't be able to run as well as they do, especially for launch titles. Nintendo is still ironing out some of the wrinkles in the OS so given more time and familiarity, things will improve.
From what I've read, the industry is moving in a more GPU centric direction and the Wii U's GPU "Latte" is what really sets it apart from the current generation. It's clocked similarly to PS3's Reality Synthesizer, but we should all ignore that. The RS is clocked higher than the 360's Xenos, but I don't think I've ever read anywhere that RS is the better of the 2.
Anyone expecting a repeat of Wii vs. PS3/360 needs to simmer down. Wii U hardware will undoubtedly get outclassed by Orbis/Durango, but the gap will be much smaller.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on December 01, 2012, 08:08:38 AM
The gap will be smaller and it will also mean less. The Vita is about as much more powerful than the 3DS as the PSP was over the DS, but the 3DS is at a high enough level to handle most anything developers would need. The reason the PSP saw any success was Monster Hunter, which it only got because the DS wasn't capable of handling it. The 3DS, and the Wii U, while less powerful than their competition, are fairly likely to be "good enough."
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Post by: shingi_70 on December 01, 2012, 11:11:24 AM
But here's the thing. Next year when Battlefield 4 comes out will the Wii U get the same version as the PC/Durango/Orbis or will it get the PS3/360 version of the game.
Will developers take the time out to make a wii U version of a game that's in some weird middle ground. Its worst than the other next gen consoles but better than the last gen.
As well currently epic isn't going to port unreal engine 4 to the wii U (pretty sure it will be possible) you think third parties working on games for the engine slated for Duragno/Orbis launch and early 2014 are going to have the time and resources to port a whole engine to the wii U if engine maker itsself won't do its job properly.
At least the wii U is probably guarntted to have the best version of madden and fifa next year.
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Post by: Louieturkey on December 04, 2012, 03:15:26 PM
If EA optimizes it correctly, it will look the same on Wii U/Orbis/Durango. The PC version will be superior but with little to no visual difference.
Nintendo bought into what AMD has been preaching in that the GPU can do what the CPU has been handling for a long time. It just requires the gamemakers to program the game to take advantage of that situation. The Wii U was built on this philosophy. We'll see if it works or not, though I suspect it will work as rumors about the Orbis suggest it will be built on the same philosophy, just with a bit more power.
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Post by: Gamejunkie on December 04, 2012, 04:14:28 PM
But here's the thing. Next year when Battlefield 4 comes out will the Wii U get the same version as the PC/Durango/Orbis or will it get the PS3/360 version of the game.
Will developers take the time out to make a wii U version of a game that's in some weird middle ground. Its worst than the other next gen consoles but better than the last gen.
As well currently epic isn't going to port unreal engine 4 to the wii U (pretty sure it will be possible) you think third parties working on games for the engine slated for Duragno/Orbis launch and early 2014 are going to have the time and resources to port a whole engine to the wii U if engine maker itsself won't do its job properly.
At least the wii U is probably guarntted to have the best version of madden and fifa next year.
What makes you so sure that Battlefield 4 will be released for the Wii U at all ?
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Post by: ShyGuy on December 05, 2012, 12:04:49 AM
Wasn't Battlefield in the Wii U sizzle reel back at E3 2011?
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on December 05, 2012, 12:36:14 AM
That was before the rumored falling-out between Nintendo and EA over control of the Wii U online system.
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Post by: azeke on December 05, 2012, 07:06:55 AM
But what does it all mean? (http://s019.radikal.ru/i643/1212/19/01aa49c64b54t.jpg) (http://s019.radikal.ru/i643/1212/19/01aa49c64b54.jpg)
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on December 05, 2012, 09:12:07 AM
Staring at fruit was a prior meme? Or are they trying to start one..?
That one.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 16, 2012, 11:34:27 AM
Miyamoto to revisit the unrealized Connectivity game ideas is "Very Likely" http://nintendoeverything.com/108496/miyamoto-very-likely-hell-return-to-unrealized-gcn-gba-link-ideas-with-wii-u/ (http://nintendoeverything.com/108496/miyamoto-very-likely-hell-return-to-unrealized-gcn-gba-link-ideas-with-wii-u/)
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“I think it is very likely. I cannot tell specifically what ideas I used to have at the time which might be realized this time around. But as you might recall, at one of the E3 shows several years ago we showcased a game of Pac-Man Versus, which was a really interesting game. Unfortunately however it was rather hard for everyone to own four GBAs at the same time.
“But at that time still it was not very easy or accepted. [Now, with Wii U], it’s not just creators outside the company are finding fascinating possibilities to be able to realize a game dream come true.”
We've already gotten Pacman Vs in Mario Chase, and the opposite of that in Luigi's Mansion. Animal Crossing is like LM with 2 visible ghost.
We can hope for a new FFCC from SE, but what else could Miyamoto have come up with that was never realized and isn't already touched on in Nintendoland and currently released Wii U games?
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Post by: EasyCure on December 16, 2012, 02:57:52 PM
Another Four Swords Adventure? Battle Quest was fun and all but limited since it was on rails. If the 3D environment is more difficult to manage with multiple players, I wouldn't mind another 2D Four Swords game.
Easy answer is a new tingle tuner in the next Zelda ;)
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Post by: Caterkiller on December 17, 2012, 12:46:21 AM
I had some extensive play time with Nintendo Lands Metroid today and good god that is the ultimate future. Co-op 3d Mario, Zelda and Metroid could bring forth some amazing ideas with the whole isometric(is that the word?) gameplay.
I don't know now anyone could doubt the gamepads use for "core" titles after playing Metroid.
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Post by: nickmitch on December 17, 2012, 09:53:37 AM
Did you mean "asymmetric"?
Isometric is something else.
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Post by: Retro Deckades on December 17, 2012, 10:56:03 AM
I had some extensive play time with Nintendo Lands Metroid today and good god that is the ultimate future. Co-op 3d Mario, Zelda and Metroid could bring forth some amazing ideas with the whole isometric(is that the word?) gameplay.
I don't know now anyone could doubt the gamepads use for "core" titles after playing Metroid.
Same here, Caterkiller! A friend and I played co-op Nintendo Land for the first time, and we completed every challenge in Metroid Blast (Mastering all but two of them) and all the standard challenges in LOZ: Battle Quest. After checking my Wii U log, we played for nearly 12 hours!
Metroid is serious fun. I wasn't entirely sold on Nintendo Land prior to this, but now I am.
Also, using the grapple beam to hang from the gunship is awesome.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 15, 2013, 01:53:06 AM
Nikkei Iwata Wii U article http://www.nikkei.com/article/DGXBZO50570470T10C13A1000000/ (http://www.nikkei.com/article/DGXBZO50570470T10C13A1000000/)
translation thanks to NeoGaf
Quote from: StreetsAhead;46420751
Nikkei has published another article、called 'The valley Between Engrossment and Reliance: Things Mr. Iwata Wants To Protect (The Revenge of the Wii U & 3DS Part 2)' with in interview with Mr. Iwata. I have translated Mr. Iwata's comments below. Let me know if you have any qualms with the translations.
Article is here: http://www.nikkei.com/article/DGXBZO50570470T10C13A1000000/ (http://www.nikkei.com/article/DGXBZO50570470T10C13A1000000/)
On Wii U vs. Wii Sales... "I don't think there's much point comparing the weekly numbers to the Wii, or the weekly numbers themselves. Worrying and rejoicing each week is something we can't avoid. On the subject of the reaction to the Wii U, there are still things we must do, things we must overcome. That's what we're waiting on."
"I think it will take a little time for our customers to understand the Wii U."
On customers' satisfaction with the Gamepad... "Setting aside the dissatisfaction some purchasers have with start-up and software change speeds, which we will improve, speaking only of the 2-screens, people find that they enjoy the Gamepad more than they thought when they actually hold it themselves. People realize the importance and benefits of having a personal screen that works in conjunction with the TV the more they use it, slowly, but that doesn't transfer to people who have yet to use the system." On transmitting a system's message... "[The initial reaction to the DS] was terrible. The DS began with sentiments like 'Has Nintendo lost the plot?' and 'have they gotten that desperate?'. When the PSP released, no one thought that the DS would succeed. That was the narrative at the time, but when things like Brain Training and the DS Lite came out, that changed. Afterward, people thought, 'Ah, so that's what that was, huh?'.
"The Wii was an exception. With the Wii, the DS Boom was in full force, and we were able to show off the tennis demo using the Wii Remote Controller, and it was a simple concept for everyone, one that could be understood immediately."
"We were really lucky, but at that exact time, the popularity of large-screen flat panel TVs was increasing, and the living room space opened up a little bit. We had a really strong wind behind us (luck) and we didn't have to work particularly hard to send our message."
On accusations of copying the Ipad... "We began talking about having another screen being a good idea around 2008. We thought thoroughly about our other options, but in the end, this was the idea which was the most logical for us. So, in 2009, just as we began to press forward with this idea, sure that we were on the right track, this thing called an 'Ipad' came into the world."
"So, 2.5 years after the debut of the Ipad, when we were announcing the Wii U, it was the start of the tablet boom, the reaction was, 'Nintendo's just added a tablet to a game console, and there'll be no revolution this time.' Even though we'd been working on dual screens prior to the release of tablets, it looked like we were just following a trend." On changing the way families play games... "The Wii, with which we wanted to change the way game consoles existed in the family environment, changed the perspective and the result was the Wii U. The Wii's challenge was to, once again, gather the whole family in the living room to play. A restoration of tea time. Before digital TV and flat screen TVs, the number of TVs per family had been increasing, and it was common for there to be a TV and gaming console in the kids play room or bedroom. Because the big, good quality TVs entered the households, and they wanted to use them, families that had been separated came together once more in the living room and we were successful.' On the concept of Off-TV Play... "But, with that change, the TV also became a shared item and people who played games were interrupting people who did not. This was a dilemma. So, when making the Wii U, we discussed what could be done about situations where you were told to stop playing games because someone else wanted to watch the TV. We came up with many ideas internally and combined them in the Gamepad." On beating Smart TVs at their own game... "When we thought of the Gamepad, I was convinced that future TV remotes would, like the Gamepad, come with a screen attached. This is the so called Smart TV, right. TV manufacturers have, for a long time, been making trials for the internet to be viewable on TVs, but the hurdle with that is that inputting text on a regular remote is very difficult. There is [was] no remote that allowed you to read, touch, and type in your hand."
"There, the TV purchase cycle is, at shortest, 5 years, and at longest 10 years, and since many families have only recently purchased a new TV, many will likely not purchase one for a while. So, while thinking all this, we thought how about we make a game console that borrowed from the concept of future TVs. Change the pleasure of using the living room TV experience at once, sort of thing." On increasing the gaming population... "There are many things on the internet that are more interesting when viewed together. Watching videos, shopping, trip planning, and the Street View Google Map service [which will begin on Wii U] this month, in January. This way, if it's an enjoyable experience, for people who don't have any interest in games in the family, rather than something that's a hassle to have, the Wii U can become something that they have a connection with."
"I am still thinking about increasing the gaming population, and it's something I'd like to spend my whole life doing. Not becoming an enemy of mothers is healthy. Previously that idea wasn't in the minds of game shops, and I said it a little too forcibly, maybe, but now I don't talk like that. People are aware of that idea now, see. But the way of thinking hasn't changed. In order to realise that change we must improve the reception people have to Game Console Companies. For example, suppose there is someone who doesn't play games, but does watch Youtube, and this person gets used to holding the gamepad, the threshold for gaming has been lowered in them. Or, until now, there has been cases of a mother wanting to watch TV, but the child doesn't want to quit his game, and then they argue over it, but now the kid can continue playing solely on the pad. It is in this way that we can change the reception of gaming companies."
On Miiverse, empathy, and social gaming... "The outlook for Nintendo fans on social networking services such as Twitter is worsening. If we look into it, the people who used to post about Nintendo are satisfied with Miiverse and have stopped posting online as much."
"When we first spoke about Miiverse, we were told that trying to make a social network now was a fool's errand. We were asked by many people why we weren't simply connecting up with Twitter or Facebook. But, what we thought would be good about the service has largely come true and, as of right now, our customers are really enjoying it. The networks of people on Facebook and Twitter aren't all people you are playing games with, right? From my viewpoint, I don't use Twitter or Facebook [privately] but if I were to, it would be about things like 'Hey, wanna go for a drink?' 'Wanna go on a trip?' 'Why don't we have a class reunion?', and so on, it wouldn't be just about the people who I am playing games with. Because I couldn't tell my high school buddies that I had got a high score in Mario Kart. (Laughs)"
"We, Nintendo, have always thought this, but games shouldn't just be about the time you spend with a console, but also telling people that you passed something, or that you found a neat trick is interesting. If I were to put a name on it, it would be empathy."
"Mr. [Shigeru] Miyamoto has been talking about this concept for years, the reason that the games that he makes are popular around the world is that they have that meta-shared experience between players. Mr. Miyamoto likes making you feel that, and giving you the ability to feel that. It was at a time thinking about that that we received the original idea for Miiverse. Like 'Ah, this is an empathy network.'"
"So, with 'empathy' as a theme, we created Miiverse to make games played alone not a lonely experience, but one that you could experience with many people. In order to make that a reality, we had to integrate it into our platform, and support it as a unified service." ”[Regarding Miiverse on PCs and Smartphones]I can't make any concrete statements about when it will be available yet, but it won't be far away."
"If there was Miiverse on the 3DS [Note, the article mentions this is still the intention] it would probably be something amazing. If Miiverse and Animal Crossing were integrated together, we'd have the chance to create something even more awesome [than what is going on now]."
On personal information posted on Miiverse... "We delete personal information immediately. Never longer than 15 minutes. It would be too late to act once something has happened."
On additional charges for games... "It's built to be difficult to have unlimited charges. Each time the charge screen will appear, or you need to recharge in 1000 yen increments so it's very difficult to be charged just by continuing to push a button."
On the company's philosophy... "We aim to leave a smile on our customer's faces, no matter whether it's the game being interesting, a parent and child talking about gaming, or a grandfather being able to remain cheerful. Because it's worth doing, our staff can smile too. If our performance rises, so too our investors smile. If this chain is successful, Nintendo can be something worth keeping and continuing, and we can fulfill our responsibility to society."
Conclusion[ (for donny2112) "[Nikkei]Former CEO Mr. Yamauchi taught Mr. Iwata, his protege, that 'when selling leisure items, which are not daily necessities, if you win it's heaven, if you lose it's hell,' as well as the concept of remaining calm in the face of disappointment and skilled indifference. This mean that when you are not blessed with luck, without panicking, calmly prepare, and work hard, when you are blessed with luck, you remain thankful and work hard calmly. So, Mr. Iwata intends not to be hung up on the upcoming profits and focus on working on creating pure products. Looking at Nintendo's 123 year long history, the current situation is only a small blip. They have 4.1 billion yen or more in cash and internal reserves. When we asked Mr. Iwata about his hopes for the coming year he responded that 'As we have no new hardware releasing this year, we must work hard to surprise and delight people with our software. I want this year to become one where many people can feel the bright future of the dedicated console gaming business. It was short and sweet and with it we feel Nintendo's strength and awareness with its unchanging position of calmness.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: shingi_70 on January 15, 2013, 09:37:15 AM
1) Is having people move from twitter to Miiverse a good thing? Is would assume you lose a lot of vision from the people who dont care about miiverse. Its like how Google+ has a quite a few cool stuff but I still link it to twitter when I write a blog post.
2)I wouldn't call the Wii U a better smart TV being a good thing as that's a pretty low bar. For those functions its still worse than say the Xbox or an Apple TV.
3)Creating a new social Network isn't a Fool's Errand. Instagram and pintrest are big examples of that. The problem is that once you have a social network people like to compare you to Twitter and Facebook which makes you look like a failure even if you have a niche push. Only problem I have with miiverse is its Nintendo only.
4)Google Street View on Wii U sounds stupid. I use street view a bit on my tablet when I'm traveling or want to know what's around the place I'm getting to go. At home it seems pretty lame on the Wii U.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: tendoboy1984 on January 15, 2013, 09:54:59 AM
I love Iwata. He is so observant and humble.
But I hate when people try to prove the relevance of "dedicated gaming consoles". Why not just use the broader term "video game industry"? It doesn't matter what device you play games on, it's about the software, not hardware. The same thing could be said about watching movies on disc or Netflix. As long as yu are enjoying the experience, then why does it matter what hardware you are using?
In this day and age, there is no such thing as a "dedicated game system" anymore. The Xbox 360, Wii U, and PS3 are now full-fledged multimedia boxes, fully capable of streaming movies, music, web browsing, etc. And in Microsoft and Sony's case, that's what they've been striving for this whole time.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Ceric on January 15, 2013, 10:11:43 AM
*shrug* IF the WiiU had parity with all the Media features of the PS3 then it would be a better Smart TV.
I would argue that Miiverse is more concentrated on topic and thats its strengths. When games implement it they naturally guide their part of Miiverse to be about their game.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Caterkiller on January 15, 2013, 02:41:25 PM
*shrug* IF the WiiU had parity with all the Media features of the PS3 then it would be a better Smart TV.
I would argue that Miiverse is more concentrated on topic and thats its strengths. When games implement it they naturally guide their part of Miiverse to be about their game.
Yeah keeping the topics to the games and apps only is a big plus. Of course people just talk about anything they want anyway, but their minds are guided by the game or app they are in.
The great thing is you know everyone on there plays video games, no worries about being judged for our dude bro hobby.
I love reading big statements from Iwata like this. He seems like he understands a lot and is a genuinely nice guy. I wonder if he is inexplicably evil at home? Glad a brought up the improvement of the OS speed, which I would like to be faster but don't really have any issue with regardless.
I'm also glad he brought up the DS as well, I remember that first unveiling to that ugly little device and how it compared to the PSP. Sure enough with the right 2 games the DS took off and never looked back.
With Wii Nintendo got lucky right off the bat with Wii Sports and Wii Fit. You know they are trying to find that spiritual successor right now that will attempt to bring over more of the none gaming world which is not a bad thing. It's amazing how short sited the whole industry is when judging sales early and then late in a gaming life's span.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: EasyCure on January 15, 2013, 10:47:47 PM
4)Google Street View on Wii U sounds stupid. I use street view a bit on my tablet when I'm traveling or want to know what's around the place I'm getting to go. At home it seems pretty lame on the Wii U.
For the most part I agree but there was at least one situation I found myself in where I desperately wished I could hook up my moms Macbook to her TV; Our family took a trip to Japan and a few weeks after our return, there was a gathering at her house, the trip came up but she didn't have any pictures to show, I wasn't prepared so outside of a few pics on my phone I couldn't show off and my brother who puts everything up on facebook wasn't around either, and since I didn't have an account at the time I couldn't go on his page on her laptop to show everyone pictures..
I bring this up because I had the idea of using Street View and giving the other guest a small tour of Japan, unfortunately I had to huddle everyone around the laptop because my mom didn't have a way to connect it to her big screen.
I don't have a laptop at my place and connecting my PC to my TV would be a pain, but the Wii U is much more portable so if I ever have to do something like that again, it's a nifty feature to have.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: azeke on January 17, 2013, 11:44:19 PM
Armillo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0soGcVT05s&feature=youtu.be Looks very cool.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 18, 2013, 12:29:11 AM
Emily Rogers receiving major shout-outs in that video.
She's come a long way from "sleeping with someone that works at Nintendo" for scoopz on games, and is now bringing them games instead.
kudos Emily. :applaud:
(assuming it's the same Emily Rogers of course)
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: shingi_70 on January 18, 2013, 09:08:33 AM
Wait where did the sleep with dude from Nintendo come from.
I assume it is the same Emily rogers from NES. She helped Two Brothers get on the eshop as well.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 18, 2013, 09:32:42 AM
21 Rumors & A Bet To Back Them Up (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg675797#msg675797)
reading back, I'm surprised @ how many of them came true and/or were partially correct. (timing was off)
she is now (was?) at notenoughshaders.com (NES), and actually has some credibility in the industry as a journalist... who woulda thunk.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: tendoboy1984 on January 18, 2013, 12:12:51 PM
I feel like I'm on GoNintendo. People there are obsessed with bashing Emily for her "subpar" journalism.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 18, 2013, 09:19:40 PM
Why? Do you feel like I am bashing her? unjustly at that?
I actually gave her kudos on either being lucky or informed to a degree. Back in the day, she came out of nowhere with crazy claims, and "screenshots", making it hard to believe her. I don't know how much of it was true, but she is still around, and what I have linked to shows that she atleast got some of it right, even if the time frames were waaay off.
Title: No Tomb Raider for Wii U
Post by: Caterkiller on January 28, 2013, 11:29:56 AM
No Tomb Raider for Wii U. Why you ask? Because of the Wii U game pad is too unique for a straight port...
Come on!
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Adrock on January 28, 2013, 11:55:12 AM
I recall them saying that months ago. I wish someone would remind them (and others devs with the same weak-ass reasoning) that the Pro Controller exists or that they don't have to use the GamePad screen at all or that Wii Owners aren't asking them to reinvent the wheel, they just want a good game.
Still shenanigans.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Caliban on January 28, 2013, 12:32:24 PM
I would blame Square Enix on this since they are the publisher for this game. We haven't seen a single game announcement from them for the Wii U. Dragon Quest X? That was more of Japanese market announcement than anything else.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: shingi_70 on January 28, 2013, 12:38:20 PM
Damb you Nintendo and your very misleading E3 developer videos.
Title: Re: No Tomb Raider for Wii U
Post by: Soren on January 28, 2013, 01:00:01 PM
No Tomb Raider for Wii U. Why you ask? Because of the Wii U game pad is too unique for a straight port...
Come on!
They have a point. It's not like Nintendo made an alternate controller for those developers that didn't want to fully support the GamePad on their games.
Oh wait...
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Ian Sane on January 28, 2013, 01:31:05 PM
The Gamepad contains all the basic components of a normal controller. This is like not porting a Genesis game to the SNES because of the L&R buttons. It's just a bullshit excuse, unless Nintendo specifically calls for some amount of screen usage in every game.
On the Wii this would have been a decent excuse but you don't even need to use the classic controller here. The Gamepad is just a normal controller with a touchscreen.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Soren on January 28, 2013, 01:47:47 PM
Just give me Off-TV play and I'll be happy.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 28, 2013, 01:54:23 PM
This right here. I don't care if that's the only way you use the GamePad, that's enough to make the Wii U version my preferred way of playing the game.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Adrock on January 28, 2013, 01:57:49 PM
Well, whatever. Another company willingly leaving money on the table.
Title: Re: No Tomb Raider for Wii U
Post by: alegoicoe on January 28, 2013, 02:15:50 PM
No Tomb Raider for Wii U. Why you ask? Because of the Wii U game pad is too unique for a straight port...
Come on!
Another pitiful excuse i have rather not heard cause frankly it makes no fu**ing sense.
There's another game I won't be buying or, if it is truly wonderful, I will make a point of buying used.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: ShyGuy on January 28, 2013, 03:43:49 PM
I dont expect the new Tomb Raider to be a big hit. It is getting a lot of criticism already. Uncharted clone, Disconnect from the violence, Victim heroine, sexual assault in the game...
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Stogi on January 28, 2013, 04:28:21 PM
What do you mean, Shyguy? Sounds like GOTY material to me.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Sarail on January 28, 2013, 06:04:46 PM
This right here. I don't care if that's the only way you use the GamePad, that's enough to make the Wii U version my preferred way of playing the game.
Ditto. This is the absolute, stand-out feature for me with the Wii U. Unless it's a game like Zombi U that requires both screens, then Off-TV play is all that's needed on the rest of the game lineup.
Shenanigans on Crystal Dynamics and Square/Eidos. Phooey. :/
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Mop it up on January 28, 2013, 07:31:16 PM
I actually find it kind of funny how companies are making this excuse, because it's them basically saying "we're not creative."
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: EasyCure on January 28, 2013, 07:35:02 PM
I actually find it kind of funny how companies are making this excuse, because it's them basically saying "we're not creative."
I take it more as "we really just don't give a ****" because the Gamepad is practically a dualshock 3 with a screen in it. Off-screen play is the easiest thing a dev can do to make use of it, the rest of the controls would translate exactly the same..
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: alegoicoe on January 28, 2013, 07:42:13 PM
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: ThePerm on January 28, 2013, 08:52:11 PM
how can anyone call Tomb Raider an uncharted clone? I always thought of Uncharted as just a modernized Tomb Raider. And Tomb raider as a modernized pitfall with boobs.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Shaymin on January 28, 2013, 09:30:03 PM
Because this is a reboot that has basically ripped off Tomb Raider wholesale.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 28, 2013, 10:02:12 PM
It's kind of a Medal of Honor begat Call of Duty begat the Medal of Honor reboot situation. Both series have some legitimate claim to it.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: ShyGuy on January 29, 2013, 01:48:00 AM
We need another Pitfall game like Super Pitfall.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: alegoicoe on January 29, 2013, 01:54:00 AM
What we need is an uncharted crossover with Tomb raider, to settle the argument of thise two.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: azeke on January 29, 2013, 08:27:08 AM
So the latest rumour says SE is porting Deus Ex on Wii U.
I am not sure how should should i feel about it if true. On one hand it's a great game by all accounts, on the other it's two years old port that they will sell for full price.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Adrock on January 29, 2013, 08:51:47 AM
That makes less sense than porting over Tomb Raider simply because Tomb Raider isn't out yet. It has greater sales potential on that alone. My head... Why doesn't anything make sense?
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: azeke on January 29, 2013, 09:00:53 AM
I'm really hoping they are working on multiple titles unless this game is so epic and grand scale that it needs that many more people to make.
My first impression when I read the news is that they are working on several projects and to speed things up to spark up the Wii U lineup they hired extra hands.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: ShyGuy on January 30, 2013, 12:15:11 AM
Double Retro Games? Makes me think one will be Metroid and not sure of the other one.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: MagicCow64 on January 30, 2013, 12:32:20 AM
I'm going on the record doubting that Retro is doing anything Metroid related. I don't think Other M would exist if Retro had any plans to continue with the franchise in the near future. The only way this could happen is if Nintendo recognized Other M for the humiliating artistic failure that it was, and wanted to make amends, but I think all they saw were the sales numbers, which weren't all that out of line with the Prime series.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: azeke on January 30, 2013, 12:53:59 AM
Double Retro Games? Makes me think one will be Metroid and not sure of the other one.
Successful companies should be cautious when hiring new people. When you're hiring too many people, too much time is spent getting new guys up to the same page and you start to dilute talent.
200 guys aren't going to ship the product twice faster than 100 guys. More often than not they will do slower.
Creating a new simultaneous projects for new people is more or less okay though but even then you need to take an experienced core from other projects who will share companies' know-how for the new team.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Caterkiller on January 30, 2013, 12:57:44 AM
I've said it since last E3 and i'll say it again. When I talked with a Retro developer he would not tell me what they were or were not doing, but from is words it was pretty clear they had moved on from Metroid, that was my interpretation anyway.
I mean how much more credible can I get? It was a super unofficial interview/shooting the breeze with a Retro employee, who had a very high up position(which I forgot) who went by a name that's very hazy now, and it was a little hard to hear him because of all the noise, but I still remember the gist of it! You don't get more concrete then that.
It's not Metroid.
Watch in 5 months it's Metroid.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: nickmitch on January 30, 2013, 01:09:29 PM
We still never got that handheld Metroid that was supposed to be Metroid V.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Shorty McNostril on January 30, 2013, 02:55:26 PM
Probably remaking Super Metroid or something like that.....
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Louieturkey on January 30, 2013, 03:12:24 PM
I think if Nintendo were to make an HD Metroid Prime remake, they should outsource it and let Retro concentrate on new games.
This. And I wouldn't buy it because I haven't even finished my play through of the MP Trilogy on Wii (almost at the end of MP1..)
Title: Iwata Implies his resignation
Post by: Caterkiller on January 31, 2013, 10:19:11 AM
I Google Translated this article. http://www.itmedia.co.jp/news/articles/1301/31/news090.html (http://www.itmedia.co.jp/news/articles/1301/31/news090.html)
A site is reporting that Iwata implies that if he can't make 100 billion yen in the next fiscal year he will resign. I shouldn't care about a corporations president so much but man I do...
At a briefing for analysts on the 31st, about aiming for operating profit of more than $ 100 billion in the year ended March 31, 2014, explained that "commitments (pledges)" and (53) is achieved president Satoru Iwata of Nintendo If you can not have suggested the possibility to take management responsibility, including the resignation. The previous day, the company has been revised downward to a deficit of 20 billion yen forecast consolidated operating income (loss) for the year ended March 31, 25, a high hurdle goals. Appeal results in recovery of Mr. Iwata, who has served as president of the company from 2002, "prepared for the desperate"
President Iwata mentioned that apology was forecast operating loss for the second consecutive year, "We are keenly aware of the responsibility." Sonouede explained the basis of goals, "In the future, a portable game machine" Pokemon "in" Nintendo 3DS "software, such as major new work coming out" and. In addition, amid sluggish sales of, also revealed plans to unify the development department of home-use game machine and portable game machine "(Wee Yu) Wii U" home-use game machine next-generation, which was released last year.
Is evaluated as president Nintendo, Hiroshi Yamauchi (the consultant-present) "human resources with the ability of both management and game development", in 14 years, Mr. Iwata was president development companies game software for Nintendo, 43-year-old little At the young president has been appointed (appointed). Sell order from the start of trading in stocks gathered Nintendo, temporary, in the 31 days of the Osaka Securities Exchange, fell to 8820 yen 530 yen depreciation ratio of previous close.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: azeke on January 31, 2013, 10:49:01 AM
It's just his way of trying to boost confidence from investors.
"See, i'm so committed, i have fined myself because of 3DS's bad launch!" "I'm so committed i will commit professional seppuku if i fail!"
I'm not saying he won't do it, but the message here is more to investors than to anyone else. Also he's upping the bets for himself in some kind additional self-motivation.
Good luck to you, Iwata, and good luck to us.
Or leave it to the heaven and work as hundred devils to reach that goal.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Oblivion on January 31, 2013, 01:38:57 PM
He'll do it. He already proved this but taking a large cut of his salary last year. He will completely do what he says he'll do. It's a part of his culture.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: ShyGuy on January 31, 2013, 02:44:48 PM
Sell some assests to make up any deficit at the end of the year.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Ian Sane on January 31, 2013, 02:49:54 PM
Iwata resigning, eh? That could be the swift kick in the ass that Nintendo has needed for a long time.
My diminishing fandom of Nintendo corresponds with his presidency. I will have a smile a mile wide if he had to keep this promise. Of course I'd be trading the devil I know for the devil I don't so there is no assurance that his successor would be an improvement. But, **** it, I'll risk that. Iwata's Nintendo is cookie cutter sequel/controller gimmick/casual game Nintendo and it won't change with him in charge.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Ceric on January 31, 2013, 03:40:45 PM
I don't this be career suicide for him. Once you make it to the C level the rules of the game vastly change. Golden Parachutes and the like.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Luigi Dude on January 31, 2013, 04:46:48 PM
Well considering the 3DS is getting a new Pokemon game this Fall and Nintendo is profiting off every 3DS sold now, that will make the goal doable thanks to handheld sales. If they can get 3D Mario and Mario Kart out this holiday on the Wii U to give that system a huge push, then they should reach the goal.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: MagicCow64 on January 31, 2013, 05:14:57 PM
There's also an interesting situation shaping up this Fall. Supposedly the new Sony and Microsoft consoles will be launching, but the recent GTAV delay is going to suck all the oxygen out of the last quarter of the year. I wonder how this will affect the outlooks of the new consoles and WiiU.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: broodwars on January 31, 2013, 05:18:18 PM
There's also an interesting situation shaping up this Fall. Supposedly the new Sony and Microsoft consoles will be launching, but the recent GTAV delay is going to suck all the oxygen out of the last quarter of the year. I wonder how this will affect the outlooks of the new consoles and WiiU.
I actually think GTA V coming out in September is going to make it do significantly less damage than it would have releasing in May. At least now, those companies who wisely chose to stay away from the big February/March 2013 cluster**** have a decent chance to have good sales now. Coming out in September, though, that season's already dominated by 2-3 franchises devouring all the others. I don't think it would change much having a 4th game taking from the Assassin's Creed/Battlefield/Call of Duty pot.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: ShyGuy on January 31, 2013, 05:20:36 PM
I think this time next year we will be looking towards digital downloads on the eshop for our hot new games. Digital is going to take over, mostly because of price.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Louieturkey on January 31, 2013, 06:13:18 PM
I think this time next year we will be looking towards digital downloads on the eshop for our hot new games. Digital is going to take over, mostly because of price.
Nintendo would have to agree to lower prices on digital games compared to retail games for price to be the factor.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Louieturkey on January 31, 2013, 06:15:13 PM
Did anyone else read Iwata's speech for the investors? He was talking about how the Wii U could be used for amazing unique apps like they did with Wii Street U (Google Street) and how they would be showing more information about what they are doing like that at GDC. Here's hoping we get more than just new stock watching apps. Will they agree to integrate Facebook or Twitter or Google+ to compete with Miiverse?
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: alegoicoe on January 31, 2013, 06:27:11 PM
There's also an interesting situation shaping up this Fall. Supposedly the new Sony and Microsoft consoles will be launching, but the recent GTAV delay is going to suck all the oxygen out of the last quarter of the year. I wonder how this will affect the outlooks of the new consoles and WiiU.
I actually think GTA V coming out in September is going to make it do significantly less damage than it would have releasing in May. At least now, those companies who wisely chose to stay away from the big February/March 2013 cluster**** have a decent chance to have good sales now. Coming out in September, though, that season's already dominated by 2-3 franchises devouring all the others. I don't think it would change much having a 4th game taking from the Assassin's Creed/Battlefield/Call of Duty pot.
I really do think that neither Microsoft or Sony will be releasing new systems this year. There are way too many AAA games coming up throughout the remainder of the year for them to kill profits in order to start taking losses yet again with new machines, especially since x360 is doing so well and Sony is starting to see the fruits of ps3 since they are not selling at a loss after about almost the whole generation. I guess that's good for Wii U in terms of hardware competition, but Nintendo will have to strongly back up their systems software wise if they want to take an advantage.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Luigi Dude on January 31, 2013, 06:31:09 PM
There's also an interesting situation shaping up this Fall. Supposedly the new Sony and Microsoft consoles will be launching, but the recent GTAV delay is going to suck all the oxygen out of the last quarter of the year. I wonder how this will affect the outlooks of the new consoles and WiiU.
Shouldn't effect Nintendo since Nintendo's own games appeal to a different audience then GTA. Mario Kart Wii was released just 2 days before GTA IV and yet Mario Kart Wii would go on to be the bigger seller in the long run. Plus the same month GTA IV was released the Wii was still the best selling system by far.
April 2008 NPD numbers
Wii - 714.2K 360 - 188.0K PS3 - 187.1K
So as long as Nintendo releases some big games for the Wii U this Fall, GTA V won't really effect them.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Shaymin on January 31, 2013, 09:06:29 PM
For the record, the only three years that Nintendo *hasn't* made 100 billion yen since 2000 are 2001, 2006 and 2012 - read, the three years they launched consoles and the existing console was getting scraps.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: azeke on January 31, 2013, 10:46:08 PM
I definitely think it's possible.
On 3DS front -- they're golden. They've established stable sales of evergreen titles (NSMB2, MK7, SML3D), they have monster line-up for 2013, they have absolute control over (japanese) 3rd parties. With 3ds safe, bulk of their studios have redirected efforts to Wii U.
On Wii U -- it feels like they're sacrificing this quarter, holding themselves back and priming for second half of the year, feeling that they need to have good games line-up to compete with impending ms/sony avalanche.
I still think X game might come this year and if they'll be able to ship at least one of the announcements from Nintendo Direct (be it 3d Mario, Yoshi or Bayo 2) for holidays and Retro game (whatever that is) this will definitely turn some heads.
But as of now, Wii Party U and Wii Fit U will have to carry our poor Wii U by themselves.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: MagicCow64 on January 31, 2013, 11:20:58 PM
There's also an interesting situation shaping up this Fall. Supposedly the new Sony and Microsoft consoles will be launching, but the recent GTAV delay is going to suck all the oxygen out of the last quarter of the year. I wonder how this will affect the outlooks of the new consoles and WiiU.
I actually think GTA V coming out in September is going to make it do significantly less damage than it would have releasing in May. At least now, those companies who wisely chose to stay away from the big February/March 2013 cluster**** have a decent chance to have good sales now. Coming out in September, though, that season's already dominated by 2-3 franchises devouring all the others. I don't think it would change much having a 4th game taking from the Assassin's Creed/Battlefield/Call of Duty pot.
I guess it will depend on just what happens with the Sony and Microsoft follow-up consoles. GTA V is getting more buzz than IV, if that's possible; I certainly wouldn't want to launch a new console against that with the usual lame-o launch line-up that seems to be endemic. Even if Sony and Microsoft announce before E3, as has been the rumor, they will have at max 9 months to try to hype up . . . Madden '14 and Perfect Dark Below Zero?
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: ShyGuy on February 01, 2013, 01:15:26 PM
I think this time next year we will be looking towards digital downloads on the eshop for our hot new games. Digital is going to take over, mostly because of price.
Nintendo would have to agree to lower prices on digital games compared to retail games for price to be the factor.
I mean eshop indie games are growing in size and quality. The Cave is an A grade game, with enough polish and content to be a full retail game during the N64/PS1 era. How long until we get something the size of say, Luigi's Mansion as an eshop download for $25 instead of $60?
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: broodwars on February 01, 2013, 01:18:26 PM
I guess it will depend on just what happens with the Sony and Microsoft follow-up consoles. GTA V is getting more buzz than IV, if that's possible; I certainly wouldn't want to launch a new console against that with the usual lame-o launch line-up that seems to be endemic. Even if Sony and Microsoft announce before E3, as has been the rumor, they will have at max 9 months to try to hype up . . . Madden '14 and Perfect Dark Below Zero?
No, it would be more like 9 months to hype up Killzone 4/Uncharted 4/Infamous 3 and Alan Wake 2/Halo 5. And that's assuming neither have new franchises to unveil, which particularly in Sony's case is probably unlikely.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: terribledeli on February 01, 2013, 02:34:57 PM
Wall Street Journal is stating they think the PS4 (Next or whatever it's called) is coming this year.
Which wouldn't surprise me. With the exception of GTA 5, there really isn't any other major titles announced for a post E3 release. And with how quickly news travels/is spoiled, most just avoid the whole "surprise e3 announcement"
I could see both Sony and Microsoft pushing the 360 and PS3 to the more casual market this Christmas, and thumping the new set of consoles for the dedicated fan. Squeezing the final bit of blood from the stone. Then slowly push the market towards the new consoles sales (versus pushing 360/PS3 respectively) around E3 2014.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Adrock on February 01, 2013, 04:58:39 PM
I'm sure they'll try, but seeing Wii U stumble a bit has to be reasurring. As long as it doesn't suddenly gain momentum, they can probably afford to delay PSFour until next year which could work in their favor to bolster the launch lineup and ease shortages. PS3 still has games coming out for it and so long as 3rd parties aren't willing to port them to Wii U, that makes Sony's Q4 a lot easier even if Nintendo manages to release Mario and/or Mario Kart.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Caterkiller on February 01, 2013, 05:42:56 PM
A low blow form EA. No Madded 25 for Wii U. Only PS3 and 360. That's just harsh man.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Stogi on February 01, 2013, 05:45:18 PM
Shitty. One of the things I wanted to see the most was 2 GP play for EA Sports titles, mainly Madden.
EDIT: Just read the article and there is no word for either Nintendo console or handheld and the Vita. It's very surprising that they'd snuff the 3DS and Vita.
This leads me to believe that they are waiting for another time to announce it to those systems and possibly the Wii U.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Luigi Dude on February 01, 2013, 06:32:12 PM
I'm sure they'll try, but seeing Wii U stumble a bit has to be reasurring. As long as it doesn't suddenly gain momentum, they can probably afford to delay PSFour until next year which could work in their favor to bolster the launch lineup and ease shortages. PS3 still has games coming out for it and so long as 3rd parties aren't willing to port them to Wii U, that makes Sony's Q4 a lot easier even if Nintendo manages to release Mario and/or Mario Kart.
Not really since Sony has Microsoft to worry about as well. Delaying the PS4 to 2014 would be a disaster since even if Nintendo doesn't start getting ports, we know Microsoft will. The PS3 already gets outsold by the 360 every month in North America and was just clobbered by it last holiday. Even against the Wii U, the PS3 only outsold it by around 200k in December.
If the PS3 was already struggling this last holiday, it'll be slaughtered next holiday when competing against the 720, Wii U, and a cheaper 360 that already sells twice as much as the PS3 despite both sharing 95% of the same games. Not having the PS4 out this holiday will basically give the 720 and Wii U all the momentum going into next year making any PS4 launch a much harder sell in early 2014.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Adrock on February 01, 2013, 11:34:04 PM
That's assuming Microsoft launches this holiday season. I should have probably clarified.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: MagicCow64 on February 01, 2013, 11:46:37 PM
More and more seems to be hinging on the timing of the new consoles. Sony appears ready to pull the trigger on an announcement, which would presumably force Microsoft's hand. I do feel like this winter is too soon though; is it possible that either company will break tradition and launch next spring?
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Caterkiller on February 02, 2013, 02:21:40 AM
RUMOR: Gear Box Software developing a new IP FPS that is coming to Wii U and the 2 unannounced systems. It's said to run on the Unreal Engine 4.
If there is even a percentage of getting MGR on Wii U that at least gives hope.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: azeke on February 02, 2013, 02:30:10 AM
Do we have to pray to Kojima on our knees to get possibility to give him our money? Get lost, Konami.
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RUMOR: Gear Box Software developing a new IP FPS that is coming to Wii U and the 2 unannounced systems. It's said to run on the Unreal Engine 4.
But.. but... Wii U is too weak.. for UE4! Is PC usually included as "system" or it's always implied to be there? Unless Gearbox will add wiimote controls, i'd rather have my shooters on PC.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: TJ Spyke on February 02, 2013, 02:53:17 AM
I know you are joking, but not true. The president of Epic Games said last June that Wii U was powerful enough to run Unreal Engine 4, but they themselves would not do it (so third parties would have to do it themselves if they want to release a game running Unreal Engine 4 on Wii U).
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 02, 2013, 03:02:35 AM
If Nintendo were smart they'd port UE4 to Wii U themselves and offer it to anyone who wanted to use it.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Jabs on February 02, 2013, 03:34:29 AM
I know you are joking, but not true. The president of Epic Games said last June that Wii U was powerful enough to run Unreal Engine 4, but they themselves would not do it (so third parties would have to do it themselves if they want to release a game running Unreal Engine 4 on Wii U).
Just because it is possible doesn't mean it is a good idea, the technology that UE4 is packing is a very heavy handed bit of kit. It could be run and have all the effects required but the performance would be a huge drag on the system.
It's probably better to stick to the current more hardened technology than jump to the latest and greatest. Any way personally the jump to UE4 isn't that great from everything I've seen, the technology is great but the overall effect is a little underwhelming.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: azeke on February 02, 2013, 03:44:39 AM
It's probably better to stick to the current more hardened technology than jump to the latest and greatest. Any way personally the jump to UE4 isn't that great from everything I've seen, the technology is great but the overall effect is a little underwhelming.
I'm in general very sceptical that new graphical jump will bring anything new. Okay we will double polygon count and texture resolution, but for how long can you do it until player stops noticing the difference?
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Jabs on February 02, 2013, 03:56:57 AM
Thats exactly my point, UE4 does a light tracing system where all the rooms lighting is calculated based on the surfaces of materials and how it cascades around the room. The technology is amazing but in action it doesn't look much better than what we have today, unless the game has a rapid day night system it won't be very noticeable in action and even the then the effect can be pre-baked in to the visuals very easily for use on current consoles.
Today CD Projekt Red showed off their new graphics engine for their future games (http://i.imgur.com/WnZXu3V.jpg) personally I'm not seeing the huge jumps any more. I have seen some great pre-rendered stuff or absolutely over the top tech demos that look impressive but they are totally pointless if developers can't afford to build entire games to those levels of detail.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 02, 2013, 03:58:40 AM
UE4 is designed to be scalable. They built it to be able to run on iPhones, so getting it to work on the Wii U is no problem, Epic just doesn't see the value in porting it themselves. That's why I'm saying Nintendo should jump in and do it themselves.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Jabs on February 02, 2013, 06:23:50 AM
True I suppose it is scalable, I should look into what advantages it would have over UE3 on even the mobile platforms. But these days it's getting harder to know where Epic's reason ends and the sales pitch begins.
They are eager to sell the next version of their engine regardless of the eventual impact on the industry. Epic has said the next generations shouldn't be too bad for developers in that budgets will only double but that's already far to high for what the industry is willing/able to absorb.
I want to believe them but do question their motives, I'm not going to create a false dichotomy here and make them all good or evil but some clarity would be nice.
Nintendo probably can't do the port directly but they could at the very least make an investment in Epic to produce it. A better way to get Epic to do that would be that have more 3rd party developers show an interest in the platform, that could force their hand if necessary.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 02, 2013, 01:25:15 PM
Nintendo: No Need for Alarm http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2013-02-01-nintendo-no-need-for-alarm
a more positive/optimistic outlook on Nintendo today.
Title: Bayonetta 2 Graphics
Post by: Caterkiller on February 04, 2013, 12:23:11 PM
The latest ND showed us of some brief monster footage for Bayo 2. It all seemed very CGI, but according to the directors recent Tweet, it is indeed real time footage from the game.
It's dark but I think we can look forward to a much prettier game than the first.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: mysticgohan on February 04, 2013, 01:24:30 PM
Sounds promising Cata :D Really interested in what Retro's up to, and what Platinum will do after Wonderful 101 and Bayonetta 2, is there anything else for Wii U? ;)
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Caterkiller on February 04, 2013, 01:50:05 PM
Sadly I won't get anymore tidbits until my source goes to GDC this year. Even then we'll be lucky if I can get some solid info from there.
But yeah the screens in that link are very CGI like which is nice. It's all super dark too so there is still some mystery as to how well it will look all lot up, either way seems impressive so far.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Louieturkey on February 04, 2013, 03:05:40 PM
Wii U will be fine. Everyone likes to spout about specs but it sounds like the new systems will be running at 1.6 Ghz just like the Wii U CPU is. The only difference is the number of cores and for what the other companies want to do, the extra cores will be used for other services so they can run Netflix and a game at the same time and be able to surf the internet as well.
It wouldn't surprise me at all if Gearbox's new game runs nearly identical on all three platforms.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Louieturkey on February 04, 2013, 03:17:49 PM
Nintendo: No Need for Alarm http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2013-02-01-nintendo-no-need-for-alarm
a more positive/optimistic outlook on Nintendo today.
Wow, the first person outside of here and Nintendo themselves that has actually put thought into their forecast of the Wii U. I may have to start paying attention to this man.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Ymeegod on February 04, 2013, 03:59:32 PM
Actually the WIIU CPU is running at 1.25Ghz. 3-cores at 1.25 vs 8 cores at 1.6 and you can easily see who's going win. The only real bottle neck is going be the ram--all three systems went with DDR3--though MS and Sony are aiming at 8GBs it's still slow ram.
Right now it looks like MS and Sony are going be around three times as powerful as the WII U.
The only saving grace will be nintendo's strong point--pricing--by the time Xbox Next/PS4 hit I imagine the WII U will be under $200 making ideal for the parent/student crowd.
Also I'm expect the WII U to have a rather short life span--by 2016 I bet Nintendo will have another console that's going be on par with the next generation of system (making the WII U life span 4 years).
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Ceric on February 04, 2013, 04:07:59 PM
Orbis is suppose to be using much faster Ram then the other two and only 4GB possibly bumping to 8.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: TJ Spyke on February 04, 2013, 04:08:10 PM
No chance in hell Wii U will have a 4 year lifespan, especially since the Xbox 3 and PlayStation 4's rumored specs are not that much better than Wii U. And you really think Nintendo will drop the price by over $150 by the end of the year? Hahahahaha, yeah right. The most that might happen is a $20 pricecut.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Soren on February 04, 2013, 04:33:49 PM
Gaf is going crazy now that Chipworks handed out a hi-res GPU die photo. There are a couple of threads but no real concrete information other than it's a highly customized GPU.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: alegoicoe on February 04, 2013, 04:49:37 PM
No chance in hell Wii U will have a 4 year lifespan, especially since the Xbox 3 and PlayStation 4's rumored specs are not that much better than Wii U. And you really think Nintendo will drop the price by over $150 by the end of the year? Hahahahaha, yeah right. The most that might happen is a $20 pricecut.
I agree with you on the 4 year life pan, but I can't help but think that in a couple of years Nintendo will redesign the system and the gamepad with improved specs to get it closer with the other systems. By the way, just heard of a rumor that Lords of Shadows might be coming to Wii U, doubt it but still fun to speculate.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: BranDonk Kong on February 04, 2013, 05:15:57 PM
All of these posts with people talking about how weak or strong the Wii U is or isn't are pointless. Unless you know a little bit about computer engineering, computer science or software development, then you're just talking about crap you read on the internet. Not necessarily talking about anyone in this thread, but people on neogaf, etc. There are a couple of smart people, but then a bunch of people that want to pretend like they know what they are talking about.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: BranDonk Kong on February 04, 2013, 05:21:17 PM
Or people can always just, you know, wait until a game comes out, then play it and see if it meets your demands.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Caterkiller on February 04, 2013, 05:46:04 PM
All of these posts with people talking about how weak or strong the Wii U is or isn't are pointless. Unless you know a little bit about computer engineering, computer science or software development, then you're just talking about crap you read on the internet. Not necessarily talking about anyone in this thread, but people on neogaf, etc. There are a couple of smart people, but then a bunch of people that want to pretend like they know what they are talking about.
Yup, used to be me on the school yard. I just can't wait to see the visuals of the first generation games on the PS4 and 720. It will be nice to see what Wii U will be doing when the multiplats hit.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: alegoicoe on February 04, 2013, 05:49:20 PM
All of these posts with people talking about how weak or strong the Wii U is or isn't are pointless. Unless you know a little bit about computer engineering, computer science or software development, then you're just talking about crap you read on the internet. Not necessarily talking about anyone in this thread, but people on neogaf, etc. There are a couple of smart people, but then a bunch of people that want to pretend like they know what they are talking about.
Yup, used to be me on the school yard. I just can't wait to see the visuals of the first generation games on the PS4 and 720. It will be nice to see what Wii U will be doing when the multiplats hit.
Same as always "Sticking with their Guns"
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Soren on February 04, 2013, 06:14:53 PM
All of these posts with people talking about how weak or strong the Wii U is or isn't are pointless. Unless you know a little bit about computer engineering, computer science or software development, then you're just talking about crap you read on the internet. Not necessarily talking about anyone in this thread, but people on neogaf, etc. There are a couple of smart people, but then a bunch of people that want to pretend like they know what they are talking about.
The Gaf thread is chaos really. Lots of people talking like they know when no one knows really. But I am genuinely interested in what the tech geeks find inside the GPU,regardless of how "weak" it appears.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Ian Sane on February 04, 2013, 06:26:19 PM
Sony and MS can't realistically release a chincy minor update to their systems and expect anyone to give a ****. They have to sell these things as providing something the PS3 and Xbox 360 don't.
I don't know hardware all that well but I am smart enough to know that if the Wii U hardware is too inferior to the other systems that ports from games designed for those systems is impossible. We already saw that exact scenario with the Wii. It isn't some hypothetical situation. It happened.
The Wii U unfortunately has some big red flags about its hardware. First of all Nintendo has yet to show anything that looks to top the PS360. Sony and Microsoft's first PS4/720 screens will aim to look more impressive than current games and Nintendo made no such effort. They also refused to release the specs and dodged questions about the Wii U's ability to compete with the hypothetical PS4/720.
The most logical assumption for that is that Nintendo is a generation behind AGAIN or is too fucking stupid to realize how hiding specs and dodging questions about hardware looks. If they know what they're doing they should be well aware of how the Wii's last gen specs totally screwed up third party support and that that is the NUMBER ONE concern for any Wii U fence sitter. They could in a second clear everything up and say "here are the specs and they'e really impressive and should be comparable to any new console released in the next few years" but they don't. So they either can't or are too clueless to realize how easy and effective that would be.
If anything the glorified-last-gen-hardware approach of the Wii is what Nintendo did last time and they have not demonstrated any change to their strategy with the Wii U. It uses the same "Wii" name, has the Miis front and center, focuses on a nifty controller. So they're going to go with the Wii status quo on pretty much everything else but NOT the specs and for some reason are still going to have the same hush-hush approach to revealing the specs as they did before even though revealing the specs in that case would be a good thing? I would never for a second assume that Nintendo is doing this one really important thing differently while giving no indication whatsoever that they are doing that.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Louieturkey on February 04, 2013, 07:51:50 PM
I don't know hardware all that well but I am smart enough to know that if the Wii U hardware is too inferior to the other systems that ports from games designed for those systems is impossible. We already saw that exact scenario with the Wii. It isn't some hypothetical situation. It happened.
Did you read the rumor about Castlevania Lords of Shadow Mirror of Fates going to HD consoles? They actually originally made the game in HD and then downconverted it to 3DS specs with hopes but no expectations to make an HD version. Other companies could have done this all along but they chose not to because of whatever excuse they gave. Same thing could easily happen with the Wii U, though I really don't believe the other systems will be that much more powerful.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Adrock on February 04, 2013, 08:47:30 PM
Jesus Christmas... The only people who care about specs are the people on neogaf pretending to know what the any of it means.
I love how in like a week and half the Internet went from "ZOMG Xenorobot Hunter looks awesum!" to "something something LOL GFLOPS custom fixed function something." This is why we can't have nice things.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Ymeegod on February 04, 2013, 10:10:36 PM
"$150 by the end of the year" I stated by the time next-generation releases which is looking at 2014 most likely.
And a four year cycle span isn't that hard to believe, how many years did the wii actually have? 6? How many years since it's last major release? Besides the late port of Xenoblade/Last Story/Zelda Skyword Sword the last two years were a joke.
A four year span will allow them to release 2 years after Xbox Next/PS4 launches meaning Nintendo could release something of similar power of those systems and keeping a few third parties on board.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: TJ Spyke on February 04, 2013, 10:16:37 PM
4 years is out of the question. The only console in the last 20 years that wasn't a failure and only lasted that long was the Xbox. And even if Xbox 3 an PlayStation 4 didn't come out til 2014 (though more and more reports say they will come out this year), no chance in hell of Wii U dropping a whopping $150 as it would make the system a complete flop. You are talking about a 57% pricedrop within 1 year. And releasing their next system only 3 years after Sony and Microsoft release their Wii U competitors would be Nintendo saying the Wii U was a failure. Also, the next PS and XBX systems are not that much more powerful than Wii U (based on rumored specs), so system of equal power would be a very miniscule upgrade (like going from PS2 to XBX). The next Nintendo console will not come out any earlier than late 2017.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Ymeegod on February 04, 2013, 10:40:24 PM
Do you call the 3ds a flop since it had a price drop within a year? It's not even a 2 years old yet it's going (the orginal anyhow) for nearly 1/2 of the orginal MSRP? No, price reduction is easily the quickest way to increase units sold. More units sell, the higher third party support is going be.
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"not that much more powerful than Wii U (based on rumored specs), " Where are your reading your info from? Everywhere else it's stating the output for those sytems are 1.2 Tflops for Durango and 1.5 Tflops for PS4 which is nearly 3 times that of the wii U which is around 500Gflops.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: TJ Spyke on February 04, 2013, 10:48:09 PM
The 3DS was selling pretty bad.
And the rumored stats I have seen are nowhere near what u claim. I think it's foolish to think Wii U will be a flop like you think. It's a safe bet that you will be wrong.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Ymeegod on February 04, 2013, 10:54:34 PM
"like you think."
Did I say that? Glad you like putting words in my mouth. No, it can exceed if marketting is done correctly. With agressive price drop, bundled software, and timely release titles I expect Nintendo will still make a decent profit but it really can't afford anymore delays.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Soren on February 04, 2013, 11:35:23 PM
I fully expect the Wii U to get a price drop by the time Orbis/Durango launch this holiday season. But it will probably be a $50, $75 cut at most.
3ds price cut was 32% and it's stayed that way since.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: alegoicoe on February 05, 2013, 12:32:37 AM
I think a 50 dollar price cut seems about right given that it should have been like that since launch.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Adrock on February 05, 2013, 07:54:22 AM
I can't see Nintendo launching a new console earlier than 2017, but they really should not push it past that. Wii limped through 2012 and Nintendo still seemed unprepared to launch a successor. What I'd really like to see is Nintendo launch comfortably in November 2017 where I take the console out of the box and it only takes 20 minutes to get into an actual game because I'm just taking in the newness of a brand new console.
A price drop at the end of the year if both Orbis and Durango launch is definitely a possibility, maybe a new bundle that includes Wind Waker or something. If there is a price drop, $50 sounds about right.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Ceric on February 05, 2013, 08:58:57 AM
I think a 50 dollar price cut seems about right given that it should have been like that since launch.
I just don't understand you people. The Price of the WiiU is on the cheaper side for what it is. Next you'll want to only pay a Dollar per Gallon for gas. Which is where it was at when I was a kid or pay less to own a hotel than a house...
I will berate and laugh at every single person who buys and Orbis/Durango because that will be VASTLY over priced for the tech standard set here.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Ian Sane on February 05, 2013, 12:26:38 PM
Jesus Christmas... The only people who care about specs are the people on neogaf pretending to know what the any of it means.
I don't care about specs but I do care about games and last gen the Wii was **** out of luck on third party games because games developed for the PS360 could not be ported to it. I'm not getting butthurt about bits and gigahertz here. I'm concerned about the Wii U hardware being so far behind the competition that it screws up third party support, which happened last gen.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Adrock on February 05, 2013, 01:29:13 PM
The specs aren't be problem though. Wii U is powerful enough to handle ports now and 3rd parties are still saying, "Uh, **** you." That doesn't even address how 3DS is getting wonderful support (like DS before it) and Sony's hardware trounces Nintendo's. Yeah, yeah... something something portable market something. The truth is that 3rd parties can and will support whatever they want to and specs are just being used as an excuse and it's not even a very good one. Specs aren't the real reason Nintendo isn't getting better support. The reason is ?!?3716 Shajdhsjanhxjs
Seriously, that's the best I could come up with.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: alegoicoe on February 05, 2013, 01:29:58 PM
I think a 50 dollar price cut seems about right given that it should have been like that since launch.
I just don't understand you people. The Price of the WiiU is on the cheaper side for what it is. Next you'll want to only pay a Dollar per Gallon for gas. Which is where it was at when I was a kid or pay less to own a hotel than a house...
I will berate and laugh at every single person who buys and Orbis/Durango because that will be VASTLY over priced for the tech standard set here.
Hey man i bought mine first day without hesitation, but trully 350.00 for a console with outdated specs is a bit too much too ask to a mass audience, and exactly part of the success of the Wii.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Caterkiller on February 05, 2013, 02:14:50 PM
I think a 50 dollar price cut seems about right given that it should have been like that since launch.
I just don't understand you people. The Price of the WiiU is on the cheaper side for what it is. Next you'll want to only pay a Dollar per Gallon for gas. Which is where it was at when I was a kid or pay less to own a hotel than a house...
I will berate and laugh at every single person who buys and Orbis/Durango because that will be VASTLY over priced for the tech standard set here.
Hey man i bought mine first day without hesitation, but trully 350.00 for a console with outdated specs is a bit too much too ask to a mass audience, and exactly part of the success of the Wii.
It's modern tech. It's not as high end as what is reported from either the PS4 or 720 but you must be seriously brain washed to think that as a whole it is equal to or below that of the PS360.
There is just no way the gap from last gen is going to be as big as the current gen that's started with the U. You look at the UE4 tech demo and then the Zelda tech demo and what comes to mind? On a technical level yes that UE4 demo has a lot going on not found in the Zelda tech demo. But they both look great, there is nothing wrong with the Zelda demo. It is aesthetically pleasing and doesn't really leave much to be desired. When looking at Wii games, many were just downright ugly in comparison. Does anyone look at Toy Story and thinks it looks so much worse than Up?
For colorful cartoony games will the Wii U get Toy Story 2 while the PS420 gets Toy Story 3? I don't know, but if we did what's the problem? For realistic games I can't think of anything but FF Spirits Within and Avatar, don't know how they compare.
What's the best looking games on a top of the line PC right now? If Ps420 surpass that by leaps and bounds then I think there is slight cause of worry for the Wii U. Only as far as 3rd parties are confirmed, but they would hardly support Nintendo anyway.
Also why do so many people ignore that most games were optimized for the weaker 360? When I look at fighting game tournaments half of them are always on the 360 for various tech reasons, and then the first Baynetta was apparently a different game for the PS3. I don't expect Wii U to get all the good 3rd party games but I certainly expect much more than the Wii got.
Also can someone explain to me why Star Fox has not appeared on any current Nintendo machines? Also why was it so hard for Sega to get Knights ported over to the Ps2 and other machines? Were those games not optimized for their respective systems and simply just dumping them over on new hardware isn't as simple as fitting a small box into a bigger box? I ask in regards to current gen ports that developers had like 7 or 8 years to get used to while using Nintendo's unfinalized development kits for launch.
Here read this down below, I'm sure it is the exact opposite of what I just ranted on. I guess Wii U graphics are as good as they will ever get.
There's only one game that really likes to push the envelope and that's Crysis, but those games suck so who cares.
Crysis is a Tech demo for the engine. Much like Serious Sam was a tech demo for the engine.
Caterkiller that should have been a better article they totally glossed over the GPU customization.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: alegoicoe on February 05, 2013, 02:46:50 PM
I love the wii u as it and am sure nintendo and other developers will make wonders with the tech it has inside, but i cannot critisize those who expected specs closer to the next wave of systems from sony and microsoft who are right around the corner.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Ian Sane on February 05, 2013, 02:58:41 PM
The specs aren't be problem though. Wii U is powerful enough to handle ports now and 3rd parties are still saying, "Uh, **** you."
Well why should they bother to learn the in's and out's of a new console that they figure is going to be obsolete and not included in their future multiplatform development? The Wii U is likely going to be "current gen" for ONE YEAR so why would a third party bother to waste any time on something they will only support for such a short period of time? The only reason to invest in the Wii U is if you plan on supporting it for the next several years. The third parties that have released content for it are the ones that supported the Wii and thus are willing to work around having a special Nintendo platform to dump half-assed shovelware to.
In regards to the idea that the "gap won't be as big in this next gen", if that's the case why go up at all? How does Sony or MS plan on selling new consoles if they're not a noticable step up? There is no market for a PS3.1, it has to be a PS4. It just doesn't make sense for them to merely go just a little bit better. Hell, when Nintendo did that with the Wii they used the controller to justify it. Sony and MS would have to follow that lead and have some unique feature that justifies the need for a new console in place of better specs.
Personally I think we COULD just sit tight with what we have for a long while. Nintendo was the only one I felt truly had to release a new system to catch. But that's not how it's going to go. The Wii U's best chance is if the general public rejects Sony's and Microsoft's consoles because they're too expensive and the perceived value is just not there. Or these new consoles raise the cost of development so much that the third parties move to Nintendo.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Soren on February 05, 2013, 03:10:39 PM
The folks at Chipworks are starting to weigh in some more.
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1.This GPU is custom. 2. If it was based on ATI/AMD or a Radeon-like design, the chip would carry die marks to reflect that. Everybody has to recognize the licensing. It has none. Only Renesas name which is a former unit of NEC. 3. This chip is fabricated in a 40 nm advanced CMOS process at TSMC and is not low tech 4. For reference sake, the Apple A6 is fabricated in a 32 nm CMOS process and is also designed from scratch. It’s manufacturing costs, in volumes of 100k or more, about $26 - $30 a pop. Over 16 months degrade to about $15 each a. Wii U only represents like 30M units per annum vs iPhone which is more like 100M units per annum. Put things in perspective. 5. This Wii U GPU costs more than that by about $20-$40 bucks each making it a very expensive piece of kit. Combine that with the IBM CPU and the Flash chip all on the same package and this whole thing is closer to $100 a piece when you add it all up 6. The Wii U main processor package is a very impressive piece of hardware when its said and done.
Trust me on this. It may not have water cooling and heat sinks the size of a brownie, but its one slick piece of silicon. eDRAM is not cheap to make. That is why not everybody does it. Cause its so dam expensive
Wii U is not low tech. It might not get things done the same way Orbis/Durango will, but it's better than PS360.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Ceric on February 05, 2013, 03:18:37 PM
I would expect someone who does reverse engineering for a living to know tech. So its interesting how much they are finding interesting.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Adrock on February 05, 2013, 03:35:46 PM
Well why should they bother to learn the in's and out's of a new console that they figure is going to be obsolete and not included in their future multiplatform development? The Wii U is likely going to be "current gen" for ONE YEAR so why would a third party bother to waste any time on something they will only support for such a short period of time? The only reason to invest in the Wii U is if you plan on supporting it for the next several years.
Infinite facepalm.
1. They should bother because the games are already being made for the other platforms. It's clearly not the specs because Wii U can handle anything you can throw at PS3/360. 3rd parties would simply be porting prexisting assets. I believe Vigil Games said they ported Darksiders 2 assets in like 3 weeks on non-final dev kits. That said, I highly doubt porting is really that difficult so "learning the ins and outs" sounds like shenanigans. How many 3rd parties have given good reasons for not porting titles? It's always nonsense like, "The GamePad is soooooo unique." Okay, don't use it (or stick a map on there, Wii U owners aren't fussy) or make a game that does. This isn't complicated. If Nintendo had higher specs in Wii U, some 3rd parties would say, "Oh d-d-d-dear, the specs are too high. We have to make a game that makes use of extra power, not port existing games," then they don't. It's a rigged game. Nintendo loses no matter what they do.
2. One year? What the? So 3rd parties are going to stop supporting millions of users on other platforms the instant new consoles launch? Right now, the excuse fountain is overflowing. Support the platform while it's easy to do so, quit when it isn't if that's the issue. Really, though, it's not.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 05, 2013, 03:52:17 PM
The 360 and PS3 are going to continue to see significant software support at least through most of 2014, and there's no reason those games shouldn't also be on Wii U.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Ymeegod on February 05, 2013, 04:14:27 PM
You forgot about sales? Number 1 reason why the WII U isn't getting support is because 3rd party sales for the initial patch of games were poor to say the least. Hense why nintendo needs a price reduction--boost user base for the the WII U so some software will actually sell and maybe you'll get to see the ports evey other system is getting, Vita's in the same boat.
Why waste company resources (in this case people) on porting a project that will only generate a small % of profit when they can be working on another project that's going have a much larger profit margin. You can outsource the project to other company but then you might scarcifice quality of the game.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: TJ Spyke on February 05, 2013, 04:20:01 PM
Um, Wii U already has a attach rate of 4:1. Software sales for Wii U software (first and third party) are doing pretty good.
Give it up, you have to be insane to think a 57% pricecute will happen. They don't need a pricecut, they just need to get out more software.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Adrock on February 05, 2013, 04:20:56 PM
The 360 and PS3 are going to continue to see significant software support at least through most of 2014, and there's no reason those games shouldn't also be on Wii U.
At least. Then, there's the whole scalability dealie and 3rd parties really don't have reasons not to support Wii U.
3rd parties: We don't believe there's an audience on Wii U. Wii U owners: We'll buy your games if they're good. 3rd parties: No audience... Wii U owners: Seriously, if you treat us like we matter and put some effort in your releases, we'll gladly give you money. We only ask for same day releases, not months old ports. 3rd parties: The GamePad is too unique for our games. Wii U owners: You're not even fucking trying anymore. 3rd parties: Lol.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: alegoicoe on February 05, 2013, 04:26:01 PM
You forgot about sales? Number 1 reason why the WII U isn't getting support is because 3rd party sales for the initial patch of games were poor to say the least. Hense why nintendo needs a price reduction--boost user base for the the WII U so some software will actually sell and maybe you'll get to see the ports evey other system is getting, Vita's in the same boat.
Why waste company resources (in this case people) on porting a project that will only generate a small % of profit when they can be working on another project that's going have a much larger profit margin. You can outsource the project to other company but then you might scarcifice quality of the game.
Is not Nintendo's fault that the idea of supporting WiiU at launch from third parties was to bring old games and repackage it like new and worse of all sell for 60 bucks.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Ymeegod on February 05, 2013, 04:54:31 PM
Darksiders 2 was the highest ranked WII U game at launch and it didn't even break the 20K mark. Tekken Tag Tournament 2 bombed even though it had Nintendo exclusive mode and skins. Hell even same day release titles didn't sell all that well, CoD BO 2 and ACIII both undersold.
Even the exclusive Zombiu isn't selling all that hot, Red Steel sold more during the same time frame during the last launch.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: TJ Spyke on February 05, 2013, 04:59:11 PM
Do you have any actual sales numbers to back up your claims? Because I highly doubt the Wii U has sold 8 million games as of the end of 2012 if the top selling third party game was only at 20K.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Soren on February 05, 2013, 05:05:03 PM
Hell even same day release titles didn't sell all that well, CoD BO 2 and ACIII both undersold.
Release dates. AC3 PS360 - October 30, 2012 WiiU - November 18, 2012
Blops2 PS360 - November 13, 2012 WiiU - November 18, 2012
Most third party games didn't sell well because people who wanted to play them already had a way to do so on other platforms. ZombiU was the best selling third party game, way better than the rest IIRC.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: alegoicoe on February 05, 2013, 05:17:12 PM
I don't know the exact number of BLOPS 2 sales, but I know the online community is abysmal. I think once Nintendo comes around and starts pumping out AAA titles, then third parties either will start to publish games or it will be Gamecube all over again.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Mop it up on February 05, 2013, 05:35:50 PM
Looks like there's a new ZombiU Wii U bundle coming. It's a deluxe set Wii U so it even still has Nintendo Land, plus the ZombiU game, a ZombiU artbook, and a Pro controller for $399.99. So it's $60 less than the MSRP of those items separately.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Ian Sane on February 05, 2013, 05:39:07 PM
A third party can't just port a game to the Wii U like flicking a switch. They have to devote some time and effort to learning the hardware. Those same third parties are likely working on their next gen games right now. If the Wii U is not capable of PS4/720 ports then the pipeline for games that can be ported to the Wii U is 2013 and a bit into 2014. Once the new systems are out they will be the focus. "Oh what about the PS2?" Yeah the PS2 had some legs left but what games were getting released after the PS3 came out? You get your annual sports games like Madden and compilations of retro arcade games and localizations of obscure RPGs that came out years before in Japan. Once the new systems come out the third party games that actually matter are made for the new systems. That's just how it works. For games that are actually relevant the Wii U has a lifespan of about a year for multiplatform development IF it ends up being grossly underpowered.
I will admit that the third party approach to the Wii U is rather lazy and doomed to failure however. You can't expect ports of games that have already been out for months on other systems to make a dent on a new console. But I don't buy into this "third parties just hate Nintendo" nonsense that started up on the Wii. The Wii was the best selling console. It would not have been good business sense to ignore it for petty reasons. Now not all third parties have good business sense but for damn near ALL of them to think that way just isn't probable. They didn't support it because it didn't fit their business strategy of multiplatform development. We know the Wii hardware was inferior and that theory makes way more sense. They figure the Wii U will just be the same situation again so they're not bothering to get on board unless Nintendo demonstrates that the Wii U will be different. Any effort we have seen has been rather half-assed and thus may create a self-fulfilling prophecy. But often business decisions are conservative and based on the status quo. The status quo is that Nintendo's console will be too underpowered to allow for easy multiplatform development and that it will sell to casuals, kids and Nintendo nuts that will not buy the sort of third party games that sell to the Playstation and Xbox audience. Most publishers assume that things will stay the same until things actually change. So a quick-n-dirty PS360 port at launch is a low cost title.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Louieturkey on February 05, 2013, 06:22:59 PM
Nintendo is losing money on the Wii U. They will not lower the price until the price to make it is low enough that even if they lower the price to customers, they will not be losing money on it. So don't expect any huge drop in price anytime soon. The most I expect is a $20-30 decrease around the time the new systems come out. If they drop it too much, the marketing will become that it's inferior in every way because it's cheaper.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Adrock on February 05, 2013, 06:56:08 PM
A third party can't just port a game to the Wii U like flicking a switch. They have to devote some time and effort to learning the hardware. Those same third parties are likely working on their next gen games right now.
No one said it was like flicking a switch. However, no one believes it's difficult as evidenced, once again, by a developer opening admitting to doing so with their main title in a matter of weeks. They're not being tasked to push the hardware; just port assets. And many 3rd parties don't handle ports anyway so even if they are working on a PS3/360 game or an Orbis/Durango game, that's not really an issue. They work on the lead platform and Random Developer #487726 handles the ports. It didn't make a whole lot of sense for EA, for example, to say, "Gee, Straight Right work on Mass Effect 3 for Wii U and we'll release it without the 1st 2 RIGHT F-ING AFTER we release the entire trilogy for the same price on PS3 and 360." They could have had Straight Right work on a Wii U version of Dead Space 3 that entire time and released it alongside the others today. It came out today. I don't know if EA commented on the sales of the Wii U version of ME3, but if they're disappointed, they have no one to blame but themselves.
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But I don't buy into this "third parties just hate Nintendo" nonsense that started up on the Wii. The Wii was the best selling console. It would not have been good business sense to ignore it for petty reasons. Now not all third parties have good business sense but for damn near ALL of them to think that way just isn't probable. They didn't support it because it didn't fit their business strategy of multiplatform development.
I don't buy it either. They were just flat-out f-ing stupid sometimes (see: above). EA has just been weird regarding Wii U so maybe they're not the best example. With Wii, 3rd parties in general bet on the wrong horse. Win some, lose some. Everyone was excited about the HD era until companies were going under left and right. What do they do with all those titles in the works? They can't cancel them because they invested too much; it was safer to see the projects through and cross their fingers that they make it back. Square Enix is still fiddling with Final Fantasy Versus XIII.
Yeah, porting to the Wii was impossible, but porting to the Wii U is not, especially not right now. 3rd parties have at least a year or 2 to port their best over to an audience ready and willing to support them so long as they're not treated like 2nd class gamers. "Let's just not port anything." What? How does that even make sense? That's a bad business decision because they're leaving money on the table. There doesn't need to be a Wii specific version this time. They Wii U version is the PS3/360 version.
I'm not terribly convinced that Orbis/Durango launch/1st year (maybe even 2nd year) titles are going to be so advanced that Wii U can't handle them. It has a more modern design and it's already more powerful than the current generation. 3rd parties have to devote time and effort on those new consoles too. This is why launch titles on new consoles typically don't look a whole generation better than the later titles of the previous generation. Can the Wii U handle that? It may not be that much of a stretch. And again, scalability. However, I have a feeling 3rd parties are going to do Judo flips and dodge that very real fact. They're not going HD to SD; they'd only have to go HD to HD and scale it down. We already saw it this generation. Crytek got the Crysis series on PS3/360. Wasn't that **** never supposed to happen?
I just do not believe that the specs have anything to do with support, not anymore anyway. It's just a convenient excuse to use when cornered. It simply doesn't work when you're talking to any mildly intelligent person. I don't know what the real reasons are. Maybe they just don't believe in Wii U as a platform. That's not going to change if 3rd parties have no presence there.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Stogi on February 05, 2013, 07:30:34 PM
I'm pretty sure I remember reading it here on this very site that they recoup their losses with a single game purchase, first party or otherwise. I could be wrong though.
Still your point stands. However, I think Nintendo will only lower the price even a scant 20 bucks if Sony and Microsoft play aggressive with their pricing.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Ceric on February 05, 2013, 07:35:46 PM
Seriously I be shocked if Durango\Orbis come in for less than $500 for the good version and $400 for the gimped.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: EasyCure on February 05, 2013, 08:00:38 PM
I'm pretty sure I remember reading it here on this very site that they recoup their losses with a single game purchase, first party or otherwise. I could be wrong though.
Still your point stands. However, I think Nintendo will only lower the price even a scant 20 bucks if Sony and Microsoft play aggressive with their pricing.
I'll back you on that one because I recall reading that as well, and I don't get my gaming news outside NWR/NWR Forums.
Um, Wii U already has a attach rate of 4:1. Software sales for Wii U software (first and third party) are doing pretty good.
Give it up, you have to be insane to think a 57% pricecute will happen. They don't need a pricecut, they just need to get out more software.
It's so strange when TJ makes an accurate post..
@Ian: "Business decisions are usually conservative" yet how many developes went under during the last gen? Keep pouring money into HD development and hope every game is the next COD? Doesn't sound very conservative to me, especially when there was a clear platform leader leaps and bounds above the rest. How did they support Nintendo then? Like this (http://pietriots.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/3pwall1009_taketwowallofshame.jpg). Don't give me that BS about Nintendo's image either, a **** ton of people bought Red Steel at launch showing there was an audience for real games, it happened to suck and people got jaded but if GOOD games came out, they'd be bought. Problem is, no one tried except Nintendo, and the few that did got lost in a sea of shovelware.
Serious question: what happens to last gen's dev-kits once the new gen arrives? Everyone had PS2 dev-kits, and since Wii was closer to that than the HD consoles, the conservative decision would be to release some good games for Wii which had a huge install base alongside the HD consoles. All they had to do was start with what they know and eventually work up to get something that looks like Mario Galaxy. Oh, I'm not talking about the same games either, make some new **** up. They could've experimented a little, maybe introduced some new IP's even, just something built for the ground up for Wii that wasn't catered to 'rubes' - the lower development cost and profits gained would've kept some of them afloat. They had like 6 years to get their **** together and instead it was excuse after excuse after excuse until they filed for bankruptcy.
@Ian: "I don't believe 3rd parties just hate nintendo" aren't you the one that reminds us daily how Nintendo burned 3rd party bridges in the past and thats why most "ran to Sony and never looked back" (I'm pretty sure thats a recent quote too!)?? Some 3rd parties genuinely hate nintendo, and it still isn't a conservative decision to ignore them out of spite. They wouldn't be the longest standing publisher and developer if they weren't doing SOMETHING right.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: azeke on February 05, 2013, 08:50:08 PM
You forgot about sales? Number 1 reason why the WII U isn't getting support is because 3rd party sales for the initial patch of games were poor to say the least.
Wrong.
Third parties have already decided to snub Wii U long before it's launch. All those ridiculous statements from Konami, Gearbox, Take Two, EA and many other publishers "explaining" why that or this game is not coming to Wii U , all of them came way before console even launched.
This had nothing to do with sales. They just decided to screw over Wii U and they did it. Because third party logic.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 05, 2013, 10:12:36 PM
I'm pretty sure I remember reading it here on this very site that they recoup their losses with a single game purchase, first party or otherwise. I could be wrong though.
Still your point stands. However, I think Nintendo will only lower the price even a scant 20 bucks if Sony and Microsoft play aggressive with their pricing.
I think best case scenario, Delux Wii U becomes the only available platform (in both black and white) and it only cost $299.99
but it's more likely likely close to what you said.... $20-$30 price drop
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: alegoicoe on February 06, 2013, 12:22:14 AM
[size=78%]I just think Nintendo should concentrate on the Japanese market and start making heavy deals with key companies in the industry such as SquareEnix, Konami and others to start bringing their flagship titles to the Wii U. I think the Japanese industry is now getting a hold on HD development and financially they are not ready to make a leap in terms of developing new assets and working with next-next Gen systems. Wii U is their perfect platform to make beautiful games for cheap when compared to the coming systems.[/size]
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Luigi Dude on February 06, 2013, 02:21:04 AM
[size=78%]I just think Nintendo should concentrate on the Japanese market and start making heavy deals with key companies in the industry such as SquareEnix, Konami and others to start bringing their flagship titles to the Wii U. I think the Japanese industry is now getting a hold on HD development and financially they are not ready to make a leap in terms of developing new assets and working with next-next Gen systems. Wii U is their perfect platform to make beautiful games for cheap when compared to the coming systems.[/size]
Nintendo is probably already doing this. It's going to be the 3DS vs Vita all over again for the Wii U and PS4 in Japan. The PSP was getting lots of support even when the 3DS was first released, but after Sony made the Vita an expensive monster, Nintendo was able to convince most Japanese third parties to use their PSP engines and assets to continue making cheaper games for the 3DS.
If Sony does the same thing with the PS4 like they did with the Vita, I wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo manages to get a huge amount of Japanese third party support on the Wii U in the future.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: alegoicoe on February 06, 2013, 03:00:00 AM
[size=78%]I just think Nintendo should concentrate on the Japanese market and start making heavy deals with key companies in the industry such as SquareEnix, Konami and others to start bringing their flagship titles to the Wii U. I think the Japanese industry is now getting a hold on HD development and financially they are not ready to make a leap in terms of developing new assets and working with next-next Gen systems. Wii U is their perfect platform to make beautiful games for cheap when compared to the coming systems.[/size]
Nintendo is probably already doing this. It's going to be the 3DS vs Vita all over again for the Wii U and PS4 in Japan. The PSP was getting lots of support even when the 3DS was first released, but after Sony made the Vita an expensive monster, Nintendo was able to convince most Japanese third parties to use their PSP engines and assets to continue making cheaper games for the 3DS.
If Sony does the same thing with the PS4 like they did with the Vita, I wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo manages to get a huge amount of Japanese third party support on the Wii U in the future.
I think that would be the smartest way for Nintendo since clearly the North American market is focused on the next Gen systems and and western developers clearly have a biased against the WiiU, not all of course. Why fight the current here when Nintendo can easily with a couple of moves dominate the Japanese market like they are doing with 3ds.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Ymeegod on February 06, 2013, 05:29:43 AM
"western developers clearly have a biased against the WiiU, "
LOL, love the whole conpriacy theory complex. It's funny about the double standard, when MS or Sony gets the shaft then nobody here calls foul but when it happens to nintendo it's all *biased* developers.
It's comes to the bottom line--sales. Want more support, buy 3rd party games and get your friends to buy them as well. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
As for the highest 3rd party WII U, it's right now Zombiu which is you count bundles is around 300-350K WW.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: azeke on February 06, 2013, 06:04:29 AM
20.03.2012 (8 (eight) months before Wii U launch):
Quote from: Kojima
The way the player interacts with [Wii U} is very different than any other device out there. So if I were to make a game for the Wii U, it would have to be a unique game
26.01.2012 (10 (ten) months before Wii U launch):
Quote from: Tomb Raider dev
Given that we’ve been working on the game quite a while before Wii U was announced I think it would not be right to try and port it across. If we started building a game for the Wii U we would build it very differently and we would build it with unique functionality
15.06.2012 (5 (five) months before Wii U launch):
Quote from: Take Two, Bioshock and GTA publisher
"We haven't announced anything," says Zelnick on the possibility of moving the company's mature titles onto the Wii U. "I'm skeptical." Don't mistake that skepticism for a pessimistic attitude about the next generation of consoles, though. If anything, Zelnick is eager to kick off the next line of game systems, because he sees it as a chance for Take-Two to continue to advance its position in the industry. "For a company like ours, it's a great opportunity," he says. "[New console launches] separate the winners from the losers -- and we fully expect to be one of the winners."
25.11.2012 (a two weeks into Wii U launch, so no sales info available)
Quote from: Borderlands dev
We get asked if there is going to be a Wii U version of Borderlands, and the reason why there’s not is because we couldn’t think of a natural, obvious, ‘OMG, I want that for what the Wii U brings to the table’ feature
26.09.2012 (a month before Wii U launch)
Quote from: EA
A compilation, dubbed the Mass Effect Trilogy, will include all three “award-winning” Mass Effect games in one box. It’ll be available on November 6th this year, for $60 on xbox/ps3/pc.
These are very, very real.
And all of them are obvious BS. Each more ridiculous than the other.
This has nothing to do with sales.
At all.
Because most of these retarded statements were made before Wii U launched. Decisions on Wii U support were not based on sales.
As i said already.
This is not conspiracy. It's very real.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Ceric on February 06, 2013, 09:11:43 AM
... It's funny about the double standard, when MS or Sony gets the shaft then nobody here calls foul ...
Can I have 3 realistic examples for each MS and Sony? I can't think of one good one. Obviously 1st parties don't count because they couldn't get those anyway. I can think of an example where Publishers did not pick up a game because there couldn't be a PS3 version due to licensing. (Mechwarrior Online was going to be a Single player Mechwarrior game on PC and 360 due to licensing deal for Mechwarrior license use.)
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 06, 2013, 09:41:58 AM
Most of the time when Sony or Microsoft gets left out there's a moneyhat involved. I doubt anyone's paying publishers not to support Nintendo.
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Post by: Ymeegod on February 06, 2013, 10:46:14 AM
"Can I have 3 realistic examples for each MS and Sony? I can't think of one good one.:"
*cough*Rayman Legends?*cough* Just about the entire lineup on Vita? RE Revelations being the latest. And there's tons of Japanese games that were only WII/PS3--Tales of Graces for one. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Did anyone here call foul? No, because why should Capcom bother with Vita ports when they don't sell? Or support a sytem like the 360 in the East where is doesn't have an fanbase? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Post by: Ceric on February 06, 2013, 11:17:09 AM
"Can I have 3 realistic examples for each MS and Sony? I can't think of one good one.:"
*cough*Rayman Legends?*cough* Just about the entire lineup on Vita? RE Revelations being the latest. And there's tons of Japanese games that were only WII/PS3--Tales of Graces for one. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Did anyone here call foul? No, because why should Capcom bother with Vita ports when they don't sell? Or support a sytem like the 360 in the East where is doesn't have an fanbase? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Raymen Legends I will give you as 1 solid example but, I also remember their being a general sentiment that it was awesome it was a shame the other platform weren't getting it for non-Wii U owners.
I will not give you Vita games. Why you may ask?
1. They did not also come to a Nintendo System. 2. Handheld.
If you listen to NFR its mentioned with the Vita from Broodwars many times that it is a shame a lot of people won't be able to experience those games.
So Tales of Graces gets to go in the 360 bucket but, oh wait, thats PS3 exclusive outside of Japan and we don't really have any Japanese posters.
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Post by: azeke on February 06, 2013, 11:25:40 AM
Rayman Legends is an obvious moneyhat.
How third party exclusives now suddenly count as "snubs" to other consoles?
Developer was specifically paid off to not to port to other systems by platform holder to entice gamer to buy that platform.
Unless Ymeegod implies someone is paying to third-parties to avoid Nintendo's platforms, and then it would be clear it's not me with the conspiracy theories around here.
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Post by: Ian Sane on February 06, 2013, 12:57:25 PM
I am sure that there are third parties that did not like working with Nintendo in the past and do not want to support them as a result. I'm sure there are others that don't like Nintendo for petty reasons. But for ALL of them to have that sort of attitude just seems too unlikely. Are they all in secret collusion against Nintendo? Why would they do that and why wouldn't a few of them buck the trend to get an advantage on the others since they all are competing with each other?
They couldn't do the multiplatform development they wanted to do on the Wii so they needed a seperate "Wii team" to deal with it. Their best talent and best projects went to the multiplatform games, leaving the b-team to make some lame shovelware for the Wii. A lot of those Wii spinoffs would probably never have been made at all if the Wii could have been included with the other systems. For example I doubt Namco wanted to make a Soul Calibur spinoff. They just couldn't port Soul Calibur IV and wanted SOME sort of Soul Calibur product on the Wii so they half-assed some junk spinoff. They felt they had to have some product on the Wii but their plans didn't really call for them to make TWO games, with one specifically for the Wii. So they did a token effort or NOTHING at all. If Third Party X was planning on making three games, Nintendo effectively told them to make six or not support their system at all.
It might be as simple as third parties just not trusting the Wii U to be successful with anything beyond the casual audience and they don't feel like giving it a proper effort. "Oh we didn't make any money on the Wii so there is no reason to put much effort in the Wii U if it's going to be the same thing over again."
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Post by: Ymeegod on February 06, 2013, 01:12:47 PM
I'm talking about the whole Rayman series--there were like 4-5 WII games that the Xbox360/PS3 didn't get. There wasn't an excluisve contract between Ubisoft and Nintendo, it was because the game didn't have any appeal to the xbox/ps3 crowd according to sale data.
Same with Sonic games. They sold better on one platform then the others so games like Sonic Colors became exclusive not because there's some "magic" deal but because they publisher didn't bother to port the game over to platforms that it couldn't sell on.
^The biggest supporters of 3ds software have been by far Japanese, western developers are not taking the system too seriously perse.
Western devs never really take handhelds too seriously though. Quick, name some classic GB, GBC, GBA, DS or 3DS titles that are NOT Japanese. I can think of that DS GTA game no one bought and jack **** else.
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Post by: Louieturkey on February 06, 2013, 02:27:21 PM
Weren't there reports of Nintendo sending free dev kits to some companies and they sent them back unopened?
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Post by: TJ Spyke on February 06, 2013, 05:45:31 PM
Tecmo Koei announced today that the previously Wii U-exclusive Ninja Gaiden 3: Razor's Edge will be ported to Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 on April 2 as a retail and digital game.
^The biggest supporters of 3ds software have been by far Japanese, western developers are not taking the system too seriously perse.
Western devs never really take handhelds too seriously though. Quick, name some classic GB, GBC, GBA, DS or 3DS titles that are NOT Japanese. I can think of that DS GTA game no one bought and jack **** else.
True, but with the recent indie rise, they could take more advantage of the eShop.
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Post by: EasyCure on February 06, 2013, 06:30:36 PM
Tecmo Koei announced today that the previously Wii U-exclusive Ninja Gaiden 3: Razor's Edge will be ported to Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 on April 2 as a retail and digital game.
I didn't see anything about the price.. if it's cheaper than I won't bother picking up the game (and I really wanted to) for Wii U, unless the price goes down to match the PS/360 versions.
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Post by: ShyGuy on February 06, 2013, 07:52:09 PM
Time for another previously Nintendo-exclusive port to fail at the sales! Come on DeBlob! Come on UDraw! Come on No More Heroes!
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Post by: Stogi on February 06, 2013, 08:05:24 PM
How well is Zombi U doing?
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Post by: MagicCow64 on February 06, 2013, 08:16:03 PM
Yeesh, with this, and the "interesting" news coming tomorrow, I don't think we need any conspiracy theory. It doesn't make business sense, but most developers have no respect for Nintendo anymore. They had already dismissed them in the GameCube era, and were forced to suffer their resurgence for a few years with the Wii, but that time is over.
So many actual employees of major studios and most of the mainstream gaming press barely bother to hide their contempt. In this kind of atmosphere I don't know what Nintendo could do to turn around their perception problem. I guess another question is, if Nintendo had released an Orbis/Durango tech competitor instead of the WiiU, would they be getting substantially more support from major western studios and the gaming press?
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Post by: Adrock on February 06, 2013, 10:10:22 PM
I guess another question is, if Nintendo had released an Orbis/Durango tech competitor instead of the WiiU, would they be getting substantially more support from major western studios and the gaming press?
Honestly, probably not. I don't want to get too far into why because my previous few posts in this topic cover that. It's not some conspiracy. It's that no 3rd party will admit their real reasons for not supporting Wii U which is understandable due to the potential backlash they may receive, but no less frustrating as a Wii U owner.
I'm a PS3 owner as well so I have access to most of these games so this isn't sour grapes. It's insulting and silly to me as a rational person because it really doesn't make sense. I think one component is the fear that their games will underperform on Wii U. That's inherently flawed because performance of a past console doesn't dictate performance of a new one. The audience they're afraid only buys Nintendo games has changed as well; it's older. For example, I'm clearly not 12 like I was when N64 launched anymore. My mommy doesn't buy me games. I buy my own games whenever I damn well feel like it. If it's good, you can have my money. It's that simple. There are over 3 millions Wii U consoles sold and a middle finger given to each one of them. Not every one of them will buy each game, but there's an audience there and a chunk of them would love to buy 3rd party titles.
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Post by: azeke on February 06, 2013, 10:20:00 PM
So many actual employees of major studios and most of the mainstream gaming press barely bother to hide their contempt. In this kind of atmosphere I don't know what Nintendo could do to turn around their perception problem.
There are over 3 millions Wii U consoles sold and a middle finger given to each one of them. Not every one of them will buy each game, but there's an audience there and a chunk of them would love to buy 3rd party titles.
This kind of thing almost makes me want for new gaming crash to happen.
Childish and fanboyish, i know (dreamcast fans probably felt the same). But if that happens i will be there smiling with my popcorn.
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Post by: alegoicoe on February 07, 2013, 12:04:49 AM
So many actual employees of major studios and most of the mainstream gaming press barely bother to hide their contempt. In this kind of atmosphere I don't know what Nintendo could do to turn around their perception problem.
This kind of thing almost makes me want for new gaming crash to happen.
Childish and fanboyish, i know (dreamcast fans probably felt the same). But if that happens i will be there smiling with my popcorn.
Yeah but the difference with Sega and Nintendo is that Nintendo has the ability to survive on their own without much third party support because of their franchises. Plus if they are smart with the money they made with the Wii they can acquire new studious a pump out even more games than they did with the Gamecube and Wii, and most importantly Japan's support.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on February 07, 2013, 12:20:21 AM
Well, Nintendo did this to themselves back during the Nintendo 64, they credited the bad blood, and execs are lazy towards truly understanding the market.
I hope Nintendo has huge amount of success on their system...but I do kinda hope for a huge shake up in the industry...it really needs to happen.
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Post by: alegoicoe on February 07, 2013, 12:42:35 AM
^I agree, this industry badly needs a shake up, especially if the development cost keep growing exponentially as they did with the current Gen. I mean now days a AAA game costs up to 15 to 30 million dollars to create. We have seen small studios and big name companies go down the well because of the unsustainable production costs that only monopolistic companies such as EA and Activision can afford.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 07, 2013, 12:56:07 AM
It should be an interesting next couple of years to watch how the industry progreses. Regardless of what kind of support Nintendo gets, I'm interested to see how the industry politics play out over the next few years.
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Post by: alegoicoe on February 07, 2013, 01:43:50 AM
It should be an interesting next couple of years to watch how the industry progreses. Regardless of what kind of support Nintendo gets, I'm interested to see how the industry politics play out over the next few years.
Also the Indie movement with the introduction of consoles such as Ouya will be interesting to watch.
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Post by: Ymeegod on February 07, 2013, 07:29:03 AM
"I mean now days a AAA game costs up to 15 to 30 million dollars to create. We have seen small studios and big name companies go down the well '
But you also see new companies exceed as well--Techland, Rocksteady, even Irrational Games found success. The video game industry is a very cut throat business but the HD era didn't make it this way--it's always been this way.
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Post by: Sarail on February 07, 2013, 09:32:18 AM
It should be an interesting next couple of years to watch how the industry progreses. Regardless of what kind of support Nintendo gets, I'm interested to see how the industry politics play out over the next few years.
Also the Indie movement with the introduction of consoles such as Ouya will be interesting to watch.
I think it'd be absolutely hilarious if the only console survivors are Nintendo's and the Ouya. HD TWIN POWERS...ACTI - FAIL.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 07, 2013, 09:35:11 AM
"I mean now days a AAA game costs up to 15 to 30 million dollars to create. We have seen small studios and big name companies go down the well '
But you also see new companies exceed as well--Techland, Rocksteady, even Irrational Games found success. The video game industry is a very cut throat business but the HD era didn't make it this way--it's always been this way.
The HD era raised the stakes. You can still succeed, if you're really good and really lucky, but anything between a top tier AAA blockbuster and a sub-$15 download-only game is going to face trouble. It may have always been a dangerous business, but it's most certainly more dangerous now than it was 10 years ago, largely because of the increased development costs HD graphics involve.
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Post by: alegoicoe on February 07, 2013, 11:41:37 AM
"I mean now days a AAA game costs up to 15 to 30 million dollars to create. We have seen small studios and big name companies go down the well '
But you also see new companies exceed as well--Techland, Rocksteady, even Irrational Games found success. The video game industry is a very cut throat business but the HD era didn't make it this way--it's always been this way.
They all had big name publishers attached to their products, on their own is either success or bust.
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Post by: Ian Sane on February 07, 2013, 12:30:46 PM
One thing that probably clouds my judgement is that my first exposure to Nintendo was the NES and SNES eras, so that's what I see as the "real" Nintendo. They're the kings of videogames that have slipped up in recent time. That made some sense in the N64 era since the SNES years were not so far away but now? Whole generations have grown up associating Nintendo consoles as that thing you buy for Nintendo franchises and nothing else. It's been that way longer. Since that's what a lot of gamers think of Nintendo as, I can see developers thinking the same thing. It's like how Apple is seen today vs. how they were seen during the Apple II era.
Some of the older devs are probably remembering how Nintendo treated them pre-N64 but the younger ones might just think "release my game on a Nintendo console? I thought those were just for Nintendo games." Hell, who but the diehard Nintendo nut even buys a Nintendo console as their SOLE system anymore? On the Wii it was almost expected that you buy a PS3 or Xbox 360 to cover the third party stuff. So why bring a third party game to the Wii U, if the assumption is that the target market for that game will only own a Wii U as a second console for Nintendo games and will buy everything else on their "main" console?
Plus Nintendo is rather notorious for screwing up really routine stuff and it's a huge annoyance for us gamers. I can't imagine a company that gets that sort of simple stuff wrong would not also make similar mistakes with dev kits and third party licencing agreements and stuff like that. As a consumer I put up with their dumb bullshit only because the game quality was so high. Without that incentive I see no reason to bother with them because they suck at pretty much everything else. What does Nintendo offer third parties to make them put up with what I'm certain is a big pile of their bullshit? All those little Nintendo screw-ups chip away at you and you need something bigger to make it worthwhile.
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Post by: Fatty The Hutt on February 07, 2013, 01:07:04 PM
Plus Nintendo is rather notorious for screwing up really routine stuff and it's a huge annoyance for us gamers. I can't imagine a company that gets that sort of simple stuff wrong would not also make similar mistakes with dev kits and third party licencing agreements and stuff like that. As a consumer I put up with their dumb bullshit only because the game quality was so high. Without that incentive I see no reason to bother with them because they suck at pretty much everything else. What does Nintendo offer third parties to make them put up with what I'm certain is a big pile of their bullshit? All those little Nintendo screw-ups chip away at you and you need something bigger to make it worthwhile.
You know what's real bullshit, Ian. The above string of grossly over-generalized negative remarks that I have bolded above. You say crap and provide nothing, not a shred, to back it up. Worst of the worst of the complainer Nintendo fanboys. I mean, what the hell are you even talking about? It's all hyperbole.
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Post by: Oblivion on February 07, 2013, 01:25:17 PM
I think there should be a rule that if you make a claim on NWR, you should have to cite it MLA style.
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Post by: Fatty The Hutt on February 07, 2013, 01:31:06 PM
I think there should be a rule that if you make a claim on NWR, you should have to cite it MLA style.
Now you're talkin'!
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Post by: Ian Sane on February 07, 2013, 01:53:51 PM
Oh for ****'s sake. You want me to list the numerous goofy ass weird **** Nintendo has done over the last 15 years? This is the company of friend codes and that had this nutty and impractical method of transfering data to and from SD cards. It's the company that still has not quite grasped the concept of tying downloaded games to user accounts instead of physical hardware and has to manually update EVERY SINGLE VC TITLE to use off-screen play because they didn't seperate the emulator from the game.
Nintendo has a history of weird little goofy ass ways of doing things. This isn't something I'm pulling out of my ass. It's an established reputation that most Nintendo fans recognize (and are often just willing to deal with). So, yeah, the company that gets these little things wrong on the consumer side probably makes similar mistakes on the development side.
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Post by: alegoicoe on February 07, 2013, 02:25:09 PM
Oh for ****'s sake. You want me to list the numerous goofy ass weird **** Nintendo has done over the last 15 years? This is the company of friend codes and that had this nutty and impractical method of transfering data to and from SD cards. It's the company that still has not quite grasped the concept of tying downloaded games to user accounts instead of physical hardware and has to manually update EVERY SINGLE VC TITLE to use off-screen play because they didn't seperate the emulator from the game.
Nintendo has a history of weird little goofy ass ways of doing things. This isn't something I'm pulling out of my ass. It's an established reputation that most Nintendo fans recognize (and are often just willing to deal with). So, yeah, the company that gets these little things wrong on the consumer side probably makes similar mistakes on the development side.
Their biggest screw up u til now i think was the idea of choosing cart based format over cds on the n64' i mean am a big nintendo fan but from there on its being a downhill battle with third party companies.
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Post by: Stogi on February 07, 2013, 02:56:32 PM
N64 is still my most played system and I would go back in time and kill the fucker at Nintendo that convinced anyone to go with CD's instead of cartridges.
There is nothing better than INSTANT load times.
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Post by: Pandabair on February 07, 2013, 03:24:24 PM
Could the "snubbing" of Wii U maybe also attributed to the rumors that the other two consoles will have DRM preventing used game sales? Console makers have been kinda quiet in the past on the subject but third party developers have always been vocal in their disdain for the used market, and with Microsoft and Sony basically gutting it (if true) wouldn't third parties be more supportive of them?
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Post by: EasyCure on February 07, 2013, 03:53:42 PM
N64 is still my most played system and I would go back in time and kill the fucker at Nintendo that convinced anyone to go with CD's instead of cartridges.
There is nothing better than INSTANT load times.
This. Even before knowing the real difference between 1st and 3rd parties or learning that the former president was an asshole business man.. the fact that I was playing mario 64, goldeneye 007, or smash bros with NO LOADING SCREENS was by far my favorite thing about the system. The sega saturn I received as a gift collected so much dust by comparison. It didn't help that a memory card was required for the few saturn games I owned. Do I have any idea how pissed I was when I found it first hand that Mega Man 8 and X4 didn't use a password system?!
plus as a kid you're not as careful with **** in general.. I was with my saturn games, but everyone is different. My cousins who owned a PS weren't careful at all and neither were their friends. I was so excited to go over and check out Resident Evil with my own eyes after hearing about it for so long. Too bad I thought it controlled and looked like ass. The loading times just made everything worse because I knew I didn't have to be waiting so long to play a game, I could just hookup my n64 faster than their scratchy borrowed copy would load and start up some death matches. Their copy of tomb raider was the worst offender... ugh i don't even want to think about it. bad times with ps, great times with n64.
honest I don't mind if wii u repeats all that.. because its happened with every nintendo home console since them anyway. I'm too old and too busy to get mad at 3rd parties. This is a fucking hobby, I don't need you're games, but you need my money. until you offer a product worth it, you won't get any from me.
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Post by: Ceric on February 07, 2013, 03:55:50 PM
I remember playing the original Playstation at a Sony store and think "While this is neat its going to be a memory in a few years."
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Post by: alegoicoe on February 07, 2013, 04:08:13 PM
^Well not so much, in a couple of months the gaming industry will be introduced to the fourth generation of PS game systems. I know it's sad and all, but it's the truth, and the fact that third parties prefer Sony over Nintendo is what pisses me the most, knowing that playstation is a bastard child of Nintendo in the first place and history has shown that when it comes to originality and personality Nintendo is by far the better company, it might not be the easiest to work with but the best nevertheless.
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Post by: Ceric on February 07, 2013, 04:20:06 PM
Yeah the irony of the Playstations Nintendo heritage.
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Post by: alegoicoe on February 07, 2013, 04:30:05 PM
Yeah the irony of the Playstations Nintendo heritage.
fucking copycats, the only credit Sony has is for being a top model system for violent games and spreading the word that Nintendo makes only kiddie games, **** em, and **** third party support with it too. If third parties feel like its such a burden to bring a title to a Nintendo platform then **** em, but i bet each one of them has a Nintendo console in their closet waiting for the next mario, metroid or zelda to come out, Hypocrites.
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Post by: Ian Sane on February 07, 2013, 05:50:37 PM
N64 is still my most played system and I would go back in time and kill the fucker at Nintendo that convinced anyone to go with CD's instead of cartridges.
There is nothing better than INSTANT load times.
At the time all I noticed was that all the companies besides Nintendo themselves that had made some of the best NES and SNES games like Capcom, Square and Konami were moving to the Playstation. I noticed that most games were coming to the Saturn and Playstation but NOT the N64. I noticed that CD games were cheaper to the consumer and could be knocked down to 20 bucks easily with the Greatest Hits line. I noticed that cool new trends at the time like FMV and CD quality music were NOT on the N64. I noticed that entire genres like fighting games and RPGs, both of which were strong in the SNES, were all but completely absent on the N64.
Ah but the N64 had no load times. Well was that worth losing out on all that other stuff? Of course I think some of Nintendo's best games came out on the N64 so I'm not sure how they would have turned out on CD. Like I don't give a **** if they had load times or not, I just wonder if other major changes had to be made. Still that was clearly the turning point in Nintendo's history that's led to today so has Nintendo's last 15 years been worth it for no load times? I would say absolutely not.
Of course "no load times" isn't the full story. I think the real reason, and I thought that even then, was about control. Nintendo does not own the CD format. They liked how they controlled the manufacturing of cartridges.
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Post by: alegoicoe on February 07, 2013, 06:14:26 PM
^I feel that the trend that Nintendo started with the N64 followed them again with the Gamecube and their overall attitude. I mean Gamecube had great titles and I survived with it the whole of last generation without a ps2 or xbox, but I do have to admit that certain Nintendo trends that luckily ended with the launch on Wii have hurt them in the long run. But things like Ubisoft now bringing Rayman Origins to other platforms after they boasted how this game could only be possible on Wii U, that shows the lack of respect big name companies have towards the consumers and their distrust that products won't sell on a Nintendo console. The funny things is that they say that only Nintendo games sell well on Nintendo platforms, I say bullshit, Nintendo games sell well because they are great games in the first place. Only because EA or Activision publish a game on the platform does not means that people have to buy it, its very simple third party or Nintendo, Nintendo gamers buy games for their quality and excuse me if Nintendo manages to raise the bar with their franchises, its only a matter of making a good game, if a third party makes a great game comparable to Nintendo games i am sure gamers are going to buy them, for example Resident Evil 4, a third party game that became an instant classic on a Nintendo platform. I am glad that Nintendo still respects their fans, recently shown by the last Nintendo Direct where Iwata himself apologized to the fans. I mean as long as they keep it real and don't forget their roots, I will wait patiently for the next game to come by. I don't need an annual version of madden, call of duty or assassins creed to keep me entertained playing the same **** over and over again, for that I have tons of classics that I don't have any problem replaying them again.
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Post by: Adrock on February 07, 2013, 06:23:18 PM
Ah but the N64 had no load times. Well was that worth losing out on all that other stuff?
It's not like Nintendo decided "Let's use cartridges. We'll lose 3rd party support, but at least there won't be any load times." Losing a support was the fallout of a bad business decision because Hiroshi Yamauchi misjudged the market and industry trends. It wasn't a choice of load times vs. 3rd party support. It was probably more like, "Let's use cartridges. It should be fine," then it wasn't. Whoops. Nintendo isn't the only one guilty of poor business decisions. Guess this one: "Let's launch a $600 console, call it a computer, and tell people we want them to think, 'I will to work more hours to buy one.' It should be fine."
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They liked how they controlled the manufacturing of cartridges.
That's still true of their optical disc formats even if Panasonic is largely responsible for the technology. 3rd parties still have to go through Nintendo for that. I think it's has more to do with the fact that Nintendo (especially Miyamoto) to this day believes cartridges are better for games.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 07, 2013, 06:28:16 PM
This is 1990s Nintendo. The choice was between doing the same thing they'd always done, or radically changing to fit the current trends. I'm more surprised that the GameCube didn't use cartridges than that the N64 did.
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Post by: Adrock on February 07, 2013, 06:33:34 PM
I'm more surprised that the GameCube didn't use cartridges than that the N64 did.
I'm actually not because instead they used 8cm discs that only held 1.5GB. That right there is typical Nintendo. They learn from their mistakes and yet simultaneously somehow still not learn from their mistakes.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 07, 2013, 06:35:28 PM
Yeah, those combined the worst aspect of cartridges (limited storage) with the worst aspects of discs (poor durability and load times).
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Post by: EasyCure on February 07, 2013, 06:47:20 PM
N64 is still my most played system and I would go back in time and kill the fucker at Nintendo that convinced anyone to go with CD's instead of cartridges.
There is nothing better than INSTANT load times.
At the time all I noticed was that all the companies besides Nintendo themselves that had made some of the best NES and SNES games like Capcom, Square and Konami were moving to the Playstation. I noticed that most games were coming to the Saturn and Playstation but NOT the N64. I noticed that CD games were cheaper to the consumer and could be knocked down to 20 bucks easily with the Greatest Hits line. I noticed that cool new trends at the time like FMV and CD quality music were NOT on the N64. I noticed that entire genres like fighting games and RPGs, both of which were strong in the SNES, were all but completely absent on the N64.
Ah but the N64 had no load times. Well was that worth losing out on all that other stuff? Of course I think some of Nintendo's best games came out on the N64 so I'm not sure how they would have turned out on CD. Like I don't give a **** if they had load times or not, I just wonder if other major changes had to be made. Still that was clearly the turning point in Nintendo's history that's led to today so has Nintendo's last 15 years been worth it for no load times? I would say absolutely not.
Of course "no load times" isn't the full story. I think the real reason, and I thought that even then, was about control. Nintendo does not own the CD format. They liked how they controlled the manufacturing of cartridges.
Good for you, what an astute gamer you are. You know what *I* noticed? That I could have fun WITHOUT those games. At least thats what I noticed in later years, because at the time I was too busy having fun playing the games I did have instead of worrying about what I didn't. There was only ONE game that entire generation that I remember being upset about for not coming out for N64, and it eventually did - 3 years later - but by then I had already played it on a friends system and it SUCKED anyway so I was okay with it (Mega Man 64 Legends, for those who care).
No what else I noticed? That FMV's, while cool looking, were shitty distractions from games. I wanted to play, not watch movies. I had a VHS and a blockbuster card for that. I also noticed that school yard game discussions of yesterday went from actual discussions, whether it was SNES/Genesis games (exclusive or multi-platform), devolved into graphics debates and how all the PS owners pointed out to FMV's as the systems graphical fidelity versus the actual game. I'm sorry, but that **** doesn't count in my eyes. I still remember seeing the ads for FFVII for the first time and thinking "that's cool, but where's the game?" because I knew PS wasn't capable of that. When I finally saw the game in action, I couldn't help but laugh at how fugly it looked. It was a few years after it had released that I saw the game in action for the first time (keep in mind this was my pre-internet days so screen shots weren't readily available, nor was youtube). At least something like Zelda kept you in the game with its cut-scenes, all FMV's did is make me wonder how long until games could look that good, and how it made those games uglier once you got back into the gameplay. I honestly believe that those FMV's created the very first graphics whores in video game communities (I had no idea what the PC gaming community was like at the time, or that one existed).
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Post by: Stogi on February 07, 2013, 07:02:15 PM
N64 is still my most played system and I would go back in time and kill the fucker at Nintendo that convinced anyone to go with CD's instead of cartridges.
There is nothing better than INSTANT load times.
At the time all I noticed was that all the companies besides Nintendo themselves that had made some of the best NES and SNES games like Capcom, Square and Konami were moving to the Playstation. I noticed that most games were coming to the Saturn and Playstation but NOT the N64. I noticed that CD games were cheaper to the consumer and could be knocked down to 20 bucks easily with the Greatest Hits line. I noticed that cool new trends at the time like FMV and CD quality music were NOT on the N64. I noticed that entire genres like fighting games and RPGs, both of which were strong in the SNES, were all but completely absent on the N64.
Ah but the N64 had no load times. Well was that worth losing out on all that other stuff? Of course I think some of Nintendo's best games came out on the N64 so I'm not sure how they would have turned out on CD. Like I don't give a **** if they had load times or not, I just wonder if other major changes had to be made. Still that was clearly the turning point in Nintendo's history that's led to today so has Nintendo's last 15 years been worth it for no load times? I would say absolutely not.
Of course "no load times" isn't the full story. I think the real reason, and I thought that even then, was about control. Nintendo does not own the CD format. They liked how they controlled the manufacturing of cartridges.
Back in the day, I didn't notice that at all. I was like 13 and played soccer and was betting to touch girls asses, not to mention getting use to being an American. I wasn't an industry analyst. I wasn't even a great consumer. I bought Donkey Kong 64. I wasn't jealous of my friends with a playstation. I was befuddled that you needed to plug in an extra socket in order to play 4 players. I was befuddled that they didn't have Mario Kart, Killer Instinct, Golden Eye, and Mace the Dark Ages.
Looking back now, you have some points. But playing now, it couldn't be better.
Basically the same post as EC
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Post by: EasyCure on February 07, 2013, 07:06:23 PM
No, your post is better because you mentioned grabbing asses (I was 10 when it came out, girls were just starting to be a blip on my radar but there were only like 2 cute girls in school anyway, and both were bitches), as well as your post including my new favorite quote:
I wasn't even a great consumer. I bought Donkey Kong 64.
PS don't get me started on the controller expansion for PS. At first, seeing N64 had FOUR controller ports just seemed crazy. Then Mario Kart happened and I never looked back. I know the SNES had an adapter for extra controllers but the only game I can remember it using was Bomberman. If you had a copy of bomberman 64, and friends with their own controllers, you were fucking SET to party. Mario Kart, Mario Party, Bomberman, Goldeneye and Smash are still some of my favorite multiplayer memories. It made the PS look like it was meant for what Yamaguchi described RPG players as being. Sorry, twisted metal just wasn't as fun as Mario Kart. There, I said it.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on February 07, 2013, 07:43:22 PM
The load times were not a problem...as in I loved the cartridges of the Nintendo 64 because no loads, and the Nintendo 64 was my favorite system second to SNES.
However, the gaming market was changing back then...and the additional costs to license your game for a Nintendo system plus the additional costs for cartridges over CDs, just made the PS a better business decision for companies...and Nintendo lost the third parties that were developing the games Nintendo wouldn't...which is to say Nintendo makes Nintendo games but 3rd parties tend to make games for the market trends. Once Nintendo lost that they were doomed.
Worse, once they lost them, there was little incentive to go back to Nintendo...they could make their money easily on the other system. Sony played aggressive and Nintendo played arrogantly.
That is why Nintendo lost the 3rd parties. And now Nintendo is humbled, but even if Nintendo gave the 3rd parties everything they wanted, there is still no incentive to care...in a 3 console market, you only have to support 2...the 3rd is just wasted money.
Plus, Nintendo's style of games created a false image about what Nintendo fans valued and who the Nintendo market was.
Nintendo has done much to heal their relationship with 3rd party developers, but very little to heal their image...and they must do both to make a come back that the 3rd party developers will respect.
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Post by: EasyCure on February 07, 2013, 07:52:05 PM
The load times were not a problem...as in I loved the cartridges of the Nintendo 64 because no loads, and the Nintendo 64 was my favorite system second to SNES.
However, the gaming market was changing back then...and the additional costs to license your game for a Nintendo system plus the additional costs for cartridges over CDs, just made the PS a better business decision for companies...and Nintendo lost the third parties that were developing the games Nintendo wouldn't...which is to say Nintendo makes Nintendo games but 3rd parties tend to make games for the market trends. Once Nintendo lost that they were doomed.
Worse, once they lost them, there was little incentive to go back to Nintendo...they could make their money easily on the other system. Sony played aggressive and Nintendo played arrogantly.
That is why Nintendo lost the 3rd parties. And now Nintendo is humbled, but even if Nintendo gave the 3rd parties everything they wanted, there is still no incentive to care...in a 3 console market, you only have to support 2...the 3rd is just wasted money.
Plus, Nintendo's style of games created a false image about what Nintendo fans valued and who the Nintendo market was.
Nintendo has done much to heal their relationship with 3rd party developers, but very little to heal their image...and they must do both to make a come back that the 3rd party developers will respect.
This just in: New Retro game in development is a Mature 1st person RPG
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Post by: Ian Sane on February 07, 2013, 07:54:24 PM
Ah but the N64 had no load times. Well was that worth losing out on all that other stuff?
It's not like Nintendo decided "Let's use cartridges. We'll lose 3rd party support, but at least there won't be any load times." Losing a support was the fallout of a bad business decision because Hiroshi Yamauchi misjudged the market and industry trends. It wasn't a choice of load times vs. 3rd party support. It was probably more like, "Let's use cartridges. It should be fine," then it wasn't. Whoops. Nintendo isn't the only one guilty of poor business decisions. Guess this one: "Let's launch a $600 console, call it a computer, and tell people we want them to think, 'I will to work more hours to buy one.' It should be fine."
I agree. They didn't realize the impact or figured the third parties would gladly stick around for a more expensive medium that had less storage. The impact was pretty damn obvious so they SHOULD have noticed but then Sony should have known their $600 price tag was dumb as well.
I had fun with the N64. It wasn't like the lack of third party support completely ruined it. BUT in the SNES gen I had great Nintendo games and great third party games and on the N64 I just got great Nintendo games. You can pull the old "quality vs. quantity" excuse out of your butt but the NES and SNES had BOTH and the Playstation had BOTH. Imagine the same Nintendo N64 games on the same system as Symphony of the Night and Resident Evil 1 & 3 and Final Fantasy VII and Metal Gear Solid.
In the N64 years though I saw Nintendo as the same great company as before living with one crucial mistake that they had to wait a whole generation to get away from. Then on the Gamecube I just saw them as clueless as they no longer had the big "excuse" that the N64 had. So did they change with the Gamecube or were they secretly that clueless the whole time on the N64 and I didn't notice because I chalked up all the problems to the cartridge thing?
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 07, 2013, 08:15:41 PM
Nintendo is, more or less, the same company they've always been. The problem is that other companies have adapted to that, which is why Sony overtook them; they knew Nintendo's MO well enough to exploit its weaknesses.
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Post by: Stogi on February 07, 2013, 08:26:09 PM
Ian, I think you're simply jaded. All of us are.
Except when I look back in time, I don't see what I didn't have, I look at what I had.
Let's take the GC for example. I remember winning an intense Melee tournament at a church Superbowl party. I was invited by my friends despite being a Muslim. I remember laughing my ass off the first time I carried a defeated bulburb ("Yes my pretties. Bring back the prize and raise more minions"). I remember screaming like a little bitch the first time a Metroid popped up. And don't get me started with Wind Waker.
Where as you remember the Capcom 5.
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Post by: EasyCure on February 07, 2013, 08:43:54 PM
I've never once heard the term "the capcom 5" outside of the internet.
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Post by: alegoicoe on February 07, 2013, 10:05:18 PM
Other games caught my interest and then I gave up with gamestop all together after one last shitty experience.
Now I have Amazon and can purchase it on a whim; which if I weren't so tired right now, I probably would. *adds to wishlist*
Am telling you man, take the jump and live the classics, nothing better than that. I have been lately on a trip down the memory road with Gamecube games and am having a blast, waiting for them Wii U games!!
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Post by: MagicCow64 on February 08, 2013, 12:37:40 AM
Could the "snubbing" of Wii U maybe also attributed to the rumors that the other two consoles will have DRM preventing used game sales? Console makers have been kinda quiet in the past on the subject but third party developers have always been vocal in their disdain for the used market, and with Microsoft and Sony basically gutting it (if true) wouldn't third parties be more supportive of them?
This is an interesting line of thought. Based on the reaction I'm seeing on the forum, and my personal response to the last few days, something really does feel different this time around. It's kinda like that famous montage in the The Godfather. Collusion doesn't make sense, but with attitudes the way they are there could be something going on with the major studios pivoting toward DRM. There really wouldn't be any way to accommodate the WiiU with that business strategy, and the WiiU couldn't really adapt to adopt the system (I don't think). This could be an exponential repeat of carts vs. discs, except this time, everyone loses!
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 08, 2013, 12:41:42 AM
It can't be collusion. They wouldn't be dumb enough to do it that way. Any sign of it and GameStop would throw every lawyer they've got at them.
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Post by: azeke on February 08, 2013, 12:51:50 AM
That would mean that they're knowingly destroying gaming specific retailers (their own channel), leaving only general malls for them to sell their games.
Also reading numerous statements from how excited they're about next gen, and how they expect sales to increase:
Quote from: Ubisoft
most decline attributed to consumers waiting for next-gen to come. This cycle has lasted too long and lacked major hardware innnovation. We are getting closer and closer to this new generation, boosting the market significantly, boosting Ubisoft's performance.
If they indeed want to crush used games market, many retailers will implode and market will shrink and not grow.
What do they know that we don't?
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Post by: alegoicoe on February 08, 2013, 01:14:04 AM
That would mean that they're knowingly destroying gaming specific retailers (their own channel), leaving only general malls for them to sell their games.
Also reading numerous statements from how excited they're about next gen, and how they expect sales to increase:
Quote from: Ubisoft
most decline attributed to consumers waiting for next-gen to come. This cycle has lasted too long and lacked major hardware innnovation. We are getting closer and closer to this new generation, boosting the market significantly, boosting Ubisoft's performance.
If they indeed want to crush used games market, many retailers will implode and market will shrink and not grow.
What do they know that we don't?
If you look closely at the news you can easily figure out that the only companies boasting about the next generation and how exited they are are multimillion and sometimes billion dollar companies such as EA, Activision, Ubisoft and recently Rockstar who said that the transition from this Gen to the next shouldn't be too drastic as last time was, of course when you have a big ass piggy bank everything is gravy. I feel that this time around the next gen concept is getting rammed into peoples head to keep up with the latest tech, but hell as much power these next gen machine might have, they cannot hide from the fact that current HD tvs only handle 1080p, if you want higher resolution, well we all know the ridiculous prices of 4k tvs.
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Post by: MagicCow64 on February 08, 2013, 01:20:05 AM
I agree, nothing constituting actual collusion is happening. But I really think there's something on the wind, here.
Killing Gamestop might be net bad for the industry, but media retail is already on the way out. See:
Rental chains are dead. Best Buy is probably in terminal decline.
Remove current used games with DRM, and the current used game market goes away. People can buy consoles from any retailer or online, and used games from previous gens online. The people who are most interested in buying older niche stuff will certainly have the internet know-how to do it without Gamestop, and the people who dig through Gamestop for $3 NHL '03 copies and the like will still be able to find them to some extent elsewhere (and those people, i.e. the poor, aren't the concern anyway for these companies).
If Microsoft and Sony simultaneously decide to employ DRM, which the majors would already know about, it couldn't be called collusion if the companies start reorienting (gladly) around the upcoming business environment. Something like how Pepsi and Coke never undercut each other on price.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 08, 2013, 01:32:44 AM
It's not collusion, but I could see someone like EA playing both sides against each other, nudging both of them in that direction.
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Post by: MagicCow64 on February 08, 2013, 01:51:33 AM
It's not collusion, but I could see someone like EA playing both sides against each other, nudging both of them in that direction.
Ha, yeah, that's more along the lines of what I'm thinking, from a different angle. Tail wagging the dog. I'm now imagining this as a David Fincher business thriller.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 08, 2013, 04:04:42 AM
And of course, if that were the case, EA's recent spiteful attitude toward Nintendo takes on a whole new facet.
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Post by: Adrock on February 08, 2013, 08:07:31 AM
Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate online play is region locked (http://www.videogamer.com/3ds/monster_hunter_3_ultimate/news/monster_hunter_3_ultimate_online_play_is_region_locked.html)
Does this affect anyone here interested in the game? The only game I kind of play online is Resident Evil Revelaitons and that's mainly for farming purposes (which is impossible) and I really can't tell the difference besides possibly usernames.
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Post by: Ceric on February 08, 2013, 09:40:30 AM
Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate online play is region locked (http://www.videogamer.com/3ds/monster_hunter_3_ultimate/news/monster_hunter_3_ultimate_online_play_is_region_locked.html)
Does this affect anyone here interested in the game? The only game I kind of play online is Resident Evil Revelaitons and that's mainly for farming purposes (which is impossible) and I really can't tell the difference besides possibly usernames.
Yes.
You have to coordinate at some level in Monster Hunter to be successful. Much like in WoW which for technical reasons have servers geograhically locked, read latency. MonHun could be the same way being a QoS thing plus its back to a hunt of any good size would be hard if everyone can't communicate.
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Post by: bustin98 on February 08, 2013, 10:06:47 AM
If you have a chance to play PN05, you should. It's a nice twitch shooter, though it took a while for me to think of it that way. That ass, just hypnotic...
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Post by: Ceric on February 08, 2013, 11:01:22 AM
If you have a chance to play PN05, you should. It's a nice twitch shooter, though it took a while for me to think of it that way. That ass, just hypnotic...
I picked that up a while ago and played some. I remember I enjoyed it but, was annoyed by something.
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Post by: shingi_70 on February 08, 2013, 11:42:26 AM
Other games caught my interest and then I gave up with gamestop all together after one last shitty experience.
Now I have Amazon and can purchase it on a whim; which if I weren't so tired right now, I probably would. *adds to wishlist*
Am telling you man, take the jump and live the classics, nothing better than that. I have been lately on a trip down the memory road with Gamecube games and am having a blast, waiting for them Wii U games!!
You don't understand though, I already tried this during the Wii lifespan when I was actually caught up with (most) of my Wii library. I went out and found a ton of old, cheap GCN games that I started to play but then dropped off my radar. Off the top of my head I can tell you I still own but haven't really put much time into:
DK Jungle Beat (if thats the right name) Resident Evil (REmake) Resident Evil 0 (if I decide to call up my ex to get it back) Viewtiful Joe 1 & 2 Killer 7 XII (this is the one I made most progress in, I can't beat that fucking last boss though!) Geist (just remembered this one, tied with XII - Can't beat the fucking boss)
For Wii... Trauma Center: Second Opinion Trauma Center: New Blood (again, if I get it back from my ex) Excitetruck (never unlocked that last cup) Excitebots (see above) SKATE it Manhunt 2 (game froze on me towards the end and I got side tracked by RFF or something) Battalion Wars Mario Strikers (Never unlocked all cups)
as well as both Xenoblade, which I've only recently bought and am still (somewhat) actively playing AND Rune Factory Frontier (the story is complete, recently beat the 3rd boss but haven't beat the 4th and final nor have I married).
For Wii U.. I'm maybe 75% through NSMBWU I'm doing some of epilogue chapter of Batman: Arkham City but.. haven't scratched the surface of Assassins Creed 3 and have maybe only done 4 or 5 missions of BLOPS.
I bought Balloon Fight and Nano Assault Neo on a whim last weekend, too :/
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Post by: Ceric on February 08, 2013, 02:27:38 PM
Play Battalion Wars. Also Nano Assault is a fun mess around a bit game.
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Post by: alegoicoe on February 08, 2013, 02:38:30 PM
Other games caught my interest and then I gave up with gamestop all together after one last shitty experience.
Now I have Amazon and can purchase it on a whim; which if I weren't so tired right now, I probably would. *adds to wishlist*
Am telling you man, take the jump and live the classics, nothing better than that. I have been lately on a trip down the memory road with Gamecube games and am having a blast, waiting for them Wii U games!!
You don't understand though, I already tried this during the Wii lifespan when I was actually caught up with (most) of my Wii library. I went out and found a ton of old, cheap GCN games that I started to play but then dropped off my radar. Off the top of my head I can tell you I still own but haven't really put much time into:
DK Jungle Beat (if thats the right name) Resident Evil (REmake) Resident Evil 0 (if I decide to call up my ex to get it back) Viewtiful Joe 1 & 2 Killer 7 XII (this is the one I made most progress in, I can't beat that fucking last boss though!) Geist (just remembered this one, tied with XII - Can't beat the fucking boss)
For Wii... Trauma Center: Second Opinion Trauma Center: New Blood (again, if I get it back from my ex) Excitetruck (never unlocked that last cup) Excitebots (see above) SKATE it Manhunt 2 (game froze on me towards the end and I got side tracked by RFF or something) Battalion Wars Mario Strikers (Never unlocked all cups)
as well as both Xenoblade, which I've only recently bought and am still (somewhat) actively playing AND Rune Factory Frontier (the story is complete, recently beat the 3rd boss but haven't beat the 4th and final nor have I married).
For Wii U.. I'm maybe 75% through NSMBWU I'm doing some of epilogue chapter of Batman: Arkham City but.. haven't scratched the surface of Assassins Creed 3 and have maybe only done 4 or 5 missions of BLOPS.
I bought Balloon Fight and Nano Assault Neo on a whim last weekend, too :/
Got you, I recently played through all resident evil games Gamecube has to offer, except for Code Veronica since I like playing that one on my Dreamcast. But I have to say even today the remake of the first resident evil and Zero has some of the best graphics the series has produced even compared with todays efforts.
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Post by: EasyCure on February 08, 2013, 02:42:10 PM
Agreed, even though I only played Zero for a few minutes, and once EVER. I wonder if PN03's "hypnotic" ass will still look good all these years later :P
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Post by: Stogi on February 08, 2013, 03:19:50 PM
I was always too much of a bitch to finish REmake without using the unlimited acid rounds for my grenade launcher trick. **** still would freak me out.
And you didn't unlock the last cup in Excite Truck? Try again, my friend. That last stage is a thing of beauty. Easily the best stage by far. Even it's music kicks so much ass. I won't spoil it for you though.
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Post by: Louieturkey on February 08, 2013, 04:38:27 PM
Agreed, even though I only played Zero for a few minutes, and once EVER. I wonder if PN03's "hypnotic" ass will still look good all these years later :P:
If its as good as this then i'll play it for sure lol http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://blog-imgs-35.fc2.com/d/j/m/djmaxh/PN03-863.jpg&imgrefurl=http://djmaxh.blog54.fc2.com/blog-date-200910-26.html&h=1200&w=1920&sz=427&tbnid=exbCYsVRQBU9MM:&tbnh=91&tbnw=146&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dpn03%2Bpics%26tbm%3Disch%26tbo%3Du&zoom=1&q=pn03+pics&usg=__dRypdrTm9voxS_MI5ICrVER5TRs=&docid=w0QaWOHkLagUUM&hl=en&sa=X&ei=LIgVUbHREoqarAHSyoHQAg&ved=0CEUQ9QEwBw&dur=343
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Post by: EasyCure on February 08, 2013, 08:45:48 PM
And you didn't unlock the last cup in Excite Truck? Try again, my friend. That last stage is a thing of beauty. Easily the best stage by far. Even it's music kicks so much ass. I won't spoil it for you though.
Actually I can't remember if I did or didn't. I know I've seen the last cup Nebula something right? some sort of alien planet with lots of trippy crystals?? but I can't remember if it was because I unlocked it and then lost my save file or because someone had unlocked it in the break-room Wii at the Nintendo Store when I worked there.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on February 08, 2013, 10:09:30 PM
I unlocked the last cup in Excite Truck on my nephew's Wii. Excite Truck basically goes down as the #2 or #3 Wii game simply because of custom soundtracks.
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Post by: Stogi on February 09, 2013, 05:16:30 AM
And you didn't unlock the last cup in Excite Truck? Try again, my friend. That last stage is a thing of beauty. Easily the best stage by far. Even it's music kicks so much ass. I won't spoil it for you though.
Actually I can't remember if I did or didn't. I know I've seen the last cup Nebula something right? some sort of alien planet with lots of trippy crystals?? but I can't remember if it was because I unlocked it and then lost my save file or because someone had unlocked it in the break-room Wii at the Nintendo Store when I worked there.
That's the one.
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Post by: EasyCure on February 09, 2013, 09:09:10 AM
And you didn't unlock the last cup in Excite Truck? Try again, my friend. That last stage is a thing of beauty. Easily the best stage by far. Even it's music kicks so much ass. I won't spoil it for you though.
Actually I can't remember if I did or didn't. I know I've seen the last cup Nebula something right? some sort of alien planet with lots of trippy crystals?? but I can't remember if it was because I unlocked it and then lost my save file or because someone had unlocked it in the break-room Wii at the Nintendo Store when I worked there.
That's the one.
Yeah, that level is sick. I think I might start playing that today to unlock it and have a custom soundtrack made especially for THAT course...
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Post by: Stogi on February 09, 2013, 01:40:32 PM
Honestly, no need. Not only is it the best track, it also has the best track music. I'd link you to youtube but I'm using my mobile.
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Post by: EasyCure on February 09, 2013, 02:26:45 PM
Honestly, no need. Not only is it the best track, it also has the best track music. I'd link you to youtube but I'm using my mobile.
While I have no doubt its good, I think my custom soundtrack would be a nice trippy thing to race to..
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Post by: alegoicoe on February 13, 2013, 09:23:33 PM
I been reading all around the web on how the new Aliens game is a total sham, at least when compared to the demo made for the game. It looks like many of the assets used for the demo did not make it to the final version of the game which has generated very poor reviews thus far. I also read a rumor over at gonintendo that the Wii U version has been postponed indefinitely. I rather not have the game come out on Wii U at all unless gearbox steps their **** up and finish the damn game.
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Post by: EasyCure on February 13, 2013, 10:25:11 PM
if that's true, this is disappointing. I was pretty curious.
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Post by: shingi_70 on February 13, 2013, 10:37:24 PM
The game finished its just a piece of ****. Apparently gearbox showed us and Sega gameplay that wasn't true to the real game as they outsourced it. Right now it looks like they strung alone development for this to get money to fund borderlands.
Wonder if sega will decide too sue gearbox.
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Post by: alegoicoe on February 13, 2013, 10:46:10 PM
The game finished its just a piece of ****. Apparently gearbox showed us and Sega gameplay that wasn't true to the real game as they outsourced it. Right now it looks like they strung alone development for this to get money to fund borderlands.
Wonder if sega will decide too sue gearbox.
Sega is just another failed company like THQ who keeps making mistake after mistake. Its clear that Gearbox prioritize Borderlands 1&2 over the Alien game, while showing nice demos to keep people from giving up on the game in the first place. This is just another example of the countless lies developers fed Nintendo gamers just before the Wii U launch.
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Post by: EasyCure on February 13, 2013, 10:58:33 PM
The game finished its just a piece of ****. Apparently gearbox showed us and Sega gameplay that wasn't true to the real game as they outsourced it. Right now it looks like they strung alone development for this to get money to fund borderlands.
Wonder if sega will decide too sue gearbox.
Sega is just another failed company like THQ who keeps making mistake after mistake. Its clear that Gearbox prioritize Borderlands 1&2 over the Alien game, while showing nice demos to keep people from giving up on the game in the first place. This is just another example of the countless lies developers fed Nintendo gamers just before the Wii U launch.
Well, that's genuinely disappointing.
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Post by: shingi_70 on February 13, 2013, 11:17:36 PM
The game finished its just a piece of ****. Apparently gearbox showed us and Sega gameplay that wasn't true to the real game as they outsourced it. Right now it looks like they strung alone development for this to get money to fund borderlands.
Wonder if sega will decide too sue gearbox.
Sega is just another failed company like THQ who keeps making mistake after mistake. Its clear that Gearbox prioritize Borderlands 1&2 over the Alien game, while showing nice demos to keep people from giving up on the game in the first place. This is just another example of the countless lies developers fed Nintendo gamers just before the Wii U launch.
Sega is far from failed dude. They actually have a lot of cash due to Sammy as well as restructuring their product line.
Still gearbox took the money and ran.
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Post by: Kytim89 on February 13, 2013, 11:50:01 PM
Apparently Lords of Shadow 2 is not being made for the Wii U due to lack of manpower. How hard would it be for Nintendo to to offer to divert some of their own workers to modify the game's code for the Wii U? Then Konami could release it with the other versions of the game.
The reason that we’re not making a Wii U-version of Castlevania: Lords of Shadow 2 is because of our resources. We have a limited amount of people working on the title. About 60 people worked on the first title and that’s a pretty small team. With the sequel we have slightly expanded that team, but in order to make a Wii U-version, we need about 20 to 30 extra people. Next to that, we’re already pretty far into the development of Lords of Shadow 2, so it would be very hard for us to work on a Wii U-version without negatively effecting the general development of the title. That’s the only reason there won’t be a Wii U-version, it’s not that we don’t want to make it, it’s just that it wouldn’t make sense for us to do so right now.[/size]
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on February 13, 2013, 11:52:40 PM
I think it's time to replace the Forever Alone meme guy with a picture of a crying Wii U.
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Post by: alegoicoe on February 14, 2013, 12:01:47 AM
The game finished its just a piece of ****. Apparently gearbox showed us and Sega gameplay that wasn't true to the real game as they outsourced it. Right now it looks like they strung alone development for this to get money to fund borderlands.
Wonder if sega will decide too sue gearbox.
Sega is just another failed company like THQ who keeps making mistake after mistake. Its clear that Gearbox prioritize Borderlands 1&2 over the Alien game, while showing nice demos to keep people from giving up on the game in the first place. This is just another example of the countless lies developers fed Nintendo gamers just before the Wii U launch.
Sega is far from failed dude. They actually have a lot of cash due to Sammy as well as restructuring their product line.
Still gearbox took the money and ran.
Financially no, although they are bleeding cash. I mean in the sense of making the right games. As a company at least in the US they keep putting out games that fail to capture the market. Games like Binary Domain that has very good potential, bombed because of lack of polish, the same thing now with Alien, and lets not get started with Sonic.
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Post by: azeke on February 14, 2013, 12:44:39 AM
maybe Nintendo can step in and help port the game to Wii U.
What Nintendo should is take the resources that they have put towards casual games for the Wii U and use them to port over the codes for these third party games, or atleast to the eShop.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on February 14, 2013, 03:28:49 AM
To what end does Nintendo do this? Do they then publish the games and make more profit, or how should Nintendo handle this...and doesn't that then set up the image that 3rd parties don't need to priorities porting to Nintendo...Nintendo will do it for them.
And I am very saddened about the Aliens games, I was really hoping that would turn out good.
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Post by: Kytim89 on February 14, 2013, 03:37:17 AM
To what end does Nintendo do this? Do they then publish the games and make more profit, or how should Nintendo handle this...and doesn't that then set up the image that 3rd parties don't need to priorities porting to Nintendo...Nintendo will do it for them.
And I am very saddened about the Aliens games, I was really hoping that would turn out good.
Nintendo would not have to do it forever. The problem is that Nintendo released the Wii U when most of these games were late in development, so it would appear that Nintendo could get a handful of third party games onto the Wii U by this year's E3 and by that time third parties will have been familiarized with the Wii U and development time has laxed for them to start supporting it on their own.
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Post by: Adrock on February 14, 2013, 07:01:50 AM
At this point, I feel like 3rd parties are just going to start saying, "X and Y can't be ported to the Wii U because the sky is blue and grass is green."
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Post by: Louieturkey on February 14, 2013, 01:15:31 PM
At this point, I feel like 3rd parties are just going to start saying, "X and Y can't be ported to the Wii U because the sky is blue and grass is green."
I agree with that. I feel like that line from Konami was all PR. Did they even do a feasibility study to see how long it'd take to port code over to work with the Wii U? They could easily have done this a year ago and used maybe 1 or 2 people and just ask them to play with the dev kit and see how long they think it'd take to get the game up and running on the Wii U. I don't think they did even that. And yes, I'm doing a ton of speculating here.
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Post by: Caterkiller on February 14, 2013, 01:51:45 PM
Man I was really looking forward to playing as a Xenomorph.
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Post by: broodwars on February 14, 2013, 01:55:41 PM
Apparently Lords of Shadow 2 is not being made for the Wii U due to lack of manpower.
That's a new one.
And probably an honest one, considering they're a small studio and they already have probably 2 teams working on the 360/PS3 Lords of Shadow 2 and another on the 3DS Lords of Shadow game. That latter team will probably be going on vacation for a few months after shipping the game, and we don't know if they even have the experience to do a Wii U port of what the 360/PS3 team is working on or if they could get it out in a reasonable amount of time.
If Konami really wanted to do a Wii U ports of Lords of Shadow 2, they'd probably contract with an external developer so it's probably out of Mercury Steam's hands.
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Post by: alegoicoe on February 14, 2013, 07:57:19 PM
If Konami really wanted to do a Wii U ports of Lords of Shadow 2, they'd probably contract with an external developer so it's probably out of Mercury Steam's hands.
Outsourcing a port of an already outsourced game? That's a good one.
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Post by: Ceric on February 22, 2013, 02:24:48 PM
If Konami really wanted to do a Wii U ports of Lords of Shadow 2, they'd probably contract with an external developer so it's probably out of Mercury Steam's hands.
Outsourcing a port of an already outsourced game? That's a good one.
Still doesn't top what happened with Alien:CM
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Post by: Kytim89 on February 22, 2013, 07:58:18 PM
Based on what we have seen and know about the PS$ thus far how well can the Wii U stand against it in the next five years or more?
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Post by: azeke on February 23, 2013, 12:00:52 AM
Too early to tell.
Personally for me and based on what i saw, PS4 was underwhelming, it was the same Sony IPs i never cared about plus third party multiplats i will get PC or even (gasp! who would've thought!) on Wii U.
Let's see see if Microsoft will make me go "wow!" as they did with Gears of War back then.
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Post by: Adrock on February 23, 2013, 12:56:10 AM
In terms of specs, Durango is rumored to be less powerful than PS4. This probably won't matter anyway because Sony went with x86 and Microsoft apparently will be too. They're supposedly not too off from each other so games will be scaled appropriately. Ars Technica has a nice article (http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/02/inside-the-playstation-4-a-balanced-approach-to-building-a-game-console/) on what using PC parts as opposed to custom chips means for Sony. This is specifically about PS4, but if Microsoft follows suit like rumors suggest, it still applies.
In terms of games, I wasn't impressed by the Sony event either. Sony's exclusives always interested me more than Microsoft's so I'm not expecting much from Microsoft's Xbox unveiling. Since I get the most out of my gaming dollars from Nintendo games, I was really hoping for better 3rd party support. Nintendo sticking with a custom PowerPC CPU might be more of a barrier for 3rd party in the future than its specs. I'll probably have to look into a PS4 in the future and just catch up on 3rd party titles that way.
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Post by: Kytim89 on February 23, 2013, 01:15:52 AM
In terms of specs, Durango is rumored to be less powerful than PS4. This probably won't matter anyway because Sony went with x86 and Microsoft apparently will be too. They're supposedly not too off from each other so games will be scaled appropriately. Ars Technica has a nice article (http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/02/inside-the-playstation-4-a-balanced-approach-to-building-a-game-console/) on what using PC parts as opposed to custom chips means for Sony. This is specifically about PS4, but if Microsoft follows suit like rumors suggest, it still applies.
In terms of games, I wasn't impressed by the Sony event either. Sony's exclusives always interested me more than Microsoft's so I'm not expecting much from Microsoft's Xbox unveiling. Since I get the most out of my gaming dollars from Nintendo games, I was really hoping for better 3rd party support. Nintendo sticking with a custom PowerPC CPU might be more of a barrier for 3rd party in the future than its specs. I'll probably have to look into a PS4 in the future and just catch up on 3rd party titles that way.
Nintendo really needs to start getting third party support for the Wii U moving. They can not afford to to keep stalling the way they are currently doing right now. They need to have a Nintendo exclusively for third party support on the Wii U. Even if old games (Tomb Raider) have to come out for it than that is okay.
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Post by: Adrock on February 23, 2013, 01:25:16 AM
Nintendo can't twist their arms to get support. Outside of money hats, how do you expect this to happen? Money hats are short term solutions anyway therefore not really solutions. I don't really know what you mean by "stalling." And worthwhile exclusives are going to be few and far between like they have been on consoles for some time. Again, besides deals like the one that's bringing Bayonetta 2 to Wii U (e.g. Nintendo picking up an essentially dead project), don't expect too many exclusives.
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Post by: Caterkiller on February 23, 2013, 01:30:27 AM
Do you honestly think they are stalling on purpose? Like the rest of us they probably thought Rayman would be out roughly about now. Lego is coming soon and it looks genuinely fun to play and the comedy is great in the trailers. I'd much rather that than some melodramatic soap opera that silly gamers think should be made into a movie exactly as is.
There are some 3rd party games on the way, lets just hope the few unannounced ones are good ones and they are coming sooner rather than later. Still it's all on them, Nintendo can't force anyone to bring their games to Wii U.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 24, 2013, 05:45:34 PM
I hear that Aliens: Colonial Marines has been cancelled for Wii U.
I guess we'll never know how bad that version of the game was afterall.
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Post by: EasyCure on February 24, 2013, 07:29:16 PM
Shamalan twist: it was the best version, true to the demo's being shown to us, but it was cancelled to troll nintendo/wii u owners.
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Post by: pokepal148 on February 24, 2013, 07:31:45 PM
lol
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on February 24, 2013, 09:28:04 PM
Nintendo needs to send a little cash SEGA's way and get Colonial Marines back on the Wii U and market it as the best version of the game.
Kytim, no man, no. It would probably be better of no gamer got to play this game to preserve what's left of the Alien's lore. Can't imagine who ever runs the franchise wants this game to officially be cannon any more.
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Post by: Kytim89 on February 25, 2013, 03:25:09 AM
Nintendo needs to send a little cash SEGA's way and get Colonial Marines back on the Wii U and market it as the best version of the game.
Kytim, no man, no. It would probably be better of no gamer got to play this game to preserve what's left of the Alien's lore. Can't imagine who ever runs the franchise wants this game to officially be cannon any more. That game is really worth picking up and deserves a sequel of some kind.
It's that bad? And I thought Alien 3 was bad. Perhaps an HD remake of Aliens: Infestation for the DS ported to Wii U?
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Post by: Shorty McNostril on February 25, 2013, 06:45:10 AM
Lol. At this rate the only games that will ever see light of day on Wii U will all be first party.
I know it's still early days, but the Wii U is looking more and more like a bargain bin purchase for me.
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Post by: Adrock on February 25, 2013, 07:20:11 AM
Lol. At this rate the only games that will ever see light of day on Wii U will all be first party.
I'm disappointed, but ultimately, okay with this. I buy Nintendo hardware specifically for Nintendo games. I'm more than ready and willing to buy 3rd party games and have in the past, but if they won't accommodate me, I won't (and technically, can't) accommodate them. I'm unable to buy something that doesn't exist. I'm not even considering a PS4 until it's down to sub-$250 (sales will suffice) which I don't expect it to hit for like 3-4 years. So be it. If I must, I'll buy a PC and catch up on 3rd party titles that way when their games go on super-sale via Steam. If they didn't disappoint me so much as a consumer, they could have more of my money. Oh well. This is more their loss than mine.
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Post by: Fatty The Hutt on February 25, 2013, 11:01:45 AM
Lol. At this rate the only games that will ever see light of day on Wii U will all be first party.
I'm disappointed, but ultimately, okay with this. I buy Nintendo hardware specifically for Nintendo games. I'm more than ready and willing to buy 3rd party games and have in the past, but if they won't accommodate me, I won't (and technically, can't) accommodate them. I'm unable to buy something that doesn't exist. I'm not even considering a PS4 until it's down to sub-$250 (sales will suffice) which I don't expect it to hit for like 3-4 years. So be it. If I must, I'll buy a PC and catch up on 3rd party titles that way when their games go on super-sale via Steam. If they didn't disappoint me so much as a consumer, they could have more of my money. Oh well. This is more their loss than mine.
I am in this camp too. I expect PS4 to be quite expensive and at the moment, I don't care about X-Box. I also think things will settle down and WiiU will get the usual multi-platform releases eventually. I think there is some sort of development gap right now where the "big" multi-plat games coming out soon were well along into their development before WiiU dev kits showed up so a business decision was made just to devote all existing resources to finishing the current versions. I think this has basically happened for games like Tomb Raider and Bioshock Infinite. I am not sure what's going on with GTA 5.
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Post by: Stogi on February 25, 2013, 11:47:44 AM
Does anyone know how long Galaxy was in development for and how long it took to complete Galaxy 2? (Paging TJ Spyke....TJ Spyke to the front desk)
I have a feeling they might try the same thing with Pikmin....
And I doubt GTA5 will ever make it to Wii U. Unless Rockstar wants to develop for the console, porting an engine over is just a waste of time (but maybe not money).
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Post by: Shorty McNostril on February 25, 2013, 03:25:41 PM
If the Wii U is a 3rd party wasteland now, when it is the newest released and apparently the most powerful, I don't have much confidence for later when the other 2 (far more powerful) offerings are also on the field.
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Post by: Luigi Dude on February 25, 2013, 04:41:38 PM
Only 2.8% of developers are working on the 3DS? Are they all just stupid or SO anti-Nintendo that they'll leave money on the table just to spite them?
A little from column A, a little from column B. I'm not sure who is working on the Vita but its funny that western developers don't like handhelds much. They probably have the mindset that a lot of people have, they only want that big screen experience so the pick up and play, stop and go philosophy behind hand helds don't appeal to them. Especially if they have to make a "dumbed" down version of their console game.
Though that philosophy doesn't apply to the Indy scene as much because as far as I can tell most of those games are quick, pick up and plays too. So yeah, one would think many more would jump on the 3DS band wagon.
Or maybe they are all secretly waiting for Pokemon to reshape civilization again so their efforts are less risky.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 28, 2013, 02:35:53 PM
Look at the eShop releases; there's tons of stuff coming to the 3DS from western developers.
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Post by: Caterkiller on February 28, 2013, 02:43:09 PM
They probably have the mindset that a lot of people have, they only want that big screen experience so the pick up and play, stop and go philosophy behind hand helds don't appeal to them. Especially if they have to make a "dumbed" down version of their console game.
It's a shame because handhelds are perfectly capable of providing great entertainment. They don't need to make a dumbed down version. Revelaitons is a perfect example of a handheld game done right. It's infinitely better than the flagship console installment. Take it seriously and you get my money.
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Post by: pokepal148 on February 28, 2013, 06:47:33 PM
street fighter 4 3d is also a very good example gimped only by graphics and the mh3g demo seems to pull this off as well
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Post by: Louieturkey on February 28, 2013, 06:56:25 PM
The interesting thing is isn't that Mega Man clone selling the best on the 3DS according to the creator even though it's on iOS, Android, PC, etc.? Seems like these creators have no idea what they are doing. They think, well, everyone says these are the best systems. So I guess I have to create my game for it. Nintendo? Everyone hates them, so why would I put my game there?
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on February 28, 2013, 10:27:39 PM
They probably have the mindset that a lot of people have, they only want that big screen experience so the pick up and play, stop and go philosophy behind handhelds don't appeal to them.
Then explain why all the big indie games are on mobile devices (iOS, Android, etc.) now...
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Post by: Caterkiller on March 01, 2013, 02:48:04 AM
They probably have the mindset that a lot of people have, they only want that big screen experience so the pick up and play, stop and go philosophy behind handhelds don't appeal to them.
Then explain why all the big indie games are on mobile devices (iOS, Android, etc.) now...
Man did you not continue reading past that sentence?
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Post by: Kytim89 on March 01, 2013, 06:29:05 AM
They probably have the mindset that a lot of people have, they only want that big screen experience so the pick up and play, stop and go philosophy behind handhelds don't appeal to them.
Then explain why all the big indie games are on mobile devices (iOS, Android, etc.) now...
The big indie games are on mobile devices because it is easier and cheaper to develop for than bigger consoles.
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Post by: shingi_70 on March 03, 2013, 10:57:44 AM
They probably have the mindset that a lot of people have, they only want that big screen experience so the pick up and play, stop and go philosophy behind handhelds don't appeal to them.
Then explain why all the big indie games are on mobile devices (iOS, Android, etc.) now...
Cheaper to develop for Less of a barrier of entry for the userbase a chance you can become a millionaire over night
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Post by: pokepal148 on March 03, 2013, 01:48:37 PM
They probably have the mindset that a lot of people have, they only want that big screen experience so the pick up and play, stop and go philosophy behind handhelds don't appeal to them.
Then explain why all the big indie games are on mobile devices (iOS, Android, etc.) now...
Cheaper to develop for Less of a barrier of entry for the userbase a chance you can become a millionaire over night
a jackshit chance honestly. angry birds came early enough in the iphone's life to make a big fuss and did so only because of luck. on the eshop (or psn/xbla) if its good enough you will likely get a return on investment.
minecraft, angry birds, all of them were just lucky
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Post by: shingi_70 on March 04, 2013, 11:36:03 PM
Well yeah but people see the few success stories and attempt to go after that market space in hopes they can become an overnight success. The most recent success is that Puzzle and Dragons game that grossing 2 million a day.
Its short sighted when you have lucrative platforms like xbla/psn/eshop that can be exploited.
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Post by: BlkPaladin on March 09, 2013, 08:40:31 AM
Western developers tend to look at the user base and potential profit. Hundreds of Millions is a lot more tempting then a tens of millions any day. It doesn't help that sites like to spin mobile numbers to make the market more appealing than it really is. They see this gimped game that didn't take a lot of development time and money and it is raking in tens of millions of downloads. They forget to ask themselves the question what percentage of that are bought in sales and "freemium" setting, and the actual pay back is next to nothing.
And then look at the portables and see "overpriced" games selling thousands (even though it makes them their money back). It boils down to a lack of research and what look like a good get rich quick scheme.
Another thing to consider is market practices of developers like Square-Enix, and Capcom, who offer gimped games at premium prices and charge to unlock the game. (Or you can consider the utter lack of policing done by the market owners Apple and Google, which will end in a figurative legal cluster f***, from both consumer who are ripped off and IP owners who works are taken with impunity.) These practices don't fly very well in the "core" console market and it will be only a matter of before the mobile market "wises" up.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 23, 2013, 03:42:30 AM
Bayonetta (the 1st one) coming to Wii U? ...who knows, but Hideki Kamiya is a GAF reader https://twitter.com/PG_kamiya/status/315357146277617664 (https://twitter.com/PG_kamiya/status/315357146277617664)
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Post by: Caterkiller on March 23, 2013, 04:32:04 AM
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Post by: shingi_70 on March 23, 2013, 10:58:57 AM
I find it funny that the Vita is getting Telltale's walking dead season one but not Wii U.
On that note anyone pick up the AMC walking dead game?
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Post by: Shaymin on March 23, 2013, 11:18:00 AM
As long as Telltale's continues to be a glitchy, bug ridden disaster, the FPS will be a better game. And that ain't saying a whole lot.
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Post by: cubist on March 23, 2013, 08:51:38 PM
Survival Instinct is developed by Terminal Reality...and it doesn't look good from what I've seen.
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Post by: nickmitch on March 24, 2013, 03:38:33 PM
It' currently sports a 36 (http://www.metacritic.com/game/xbox-360/the-walking-dead-survival-instinct) on Metacritic.
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Post by: Lazyking on March 25, 2013, 03:57:21 PM
Hi I'm new here.. Wasn't sure where exactly to post this. I've been playing old NES roms on my pc and getting really attached to some of the characters. So much so that I'm looking into buying the Wii U. The last system I owned was the PS2. I like serious games but they've lost a little bit of the connection I had with them when I was younger... so Nintendo seems right up my alley, character driven, fun games. The chance to download and play games on the Wii U is also a big draw as is the off tv gamepad..
I guess what I'm asking is, is it worth it to save up and buy a wii u given my prefrences? I'm really getting into Mega man, Kirby, Metroid etc.. I'm not likely to buy another system so the only drawback I see potentially is missing out on some serious games like God of War.. I'm also unsure about the sports games on the Wii U..
Advice?
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Post by: Oblivion on March 25, 2013, 04:03:24 PM
I think you might be confusing the Wii U with the Wii. The Wii U doesn't have MegaMan, Kirby, Metroid, or a lot of sports games. You may be more suited to just a Wii (cheaper than buying a Wii U) or a 3DS.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on March 25, 2013, 04:10:50 PM
You can download all of those games on your Wii U though, and have access to even more games.
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Post by: pokepal148 on March 25, 2013, 04:28:46 PM
Hi I'm new here.. Wasn't sure where exactly to post this. I've been playing old NES roms on my pc and getting really attached to some of the characters. So much so that I'm looking into buying the Wii U. The last system I owned was the PS2. I like serious games but they've lost a little bit of the connection I had with them when I was younger... so Nintendo seems right up my alley, character driven, fun games. The chance to download and play games on the Wii U is also a big draw as is the off tv gamepad..
I guess what I'm asking is, is it worth it to save up and buy a wii u given my prefrences? I'm really getting into Mega man, Kirby, Metroid etc.. I'm not likely to buy another system so the only drawback I see potentially is missing out on some serious games like God of War.. I'm also unsure about the sports games on the Wii U..
Advice?
i do suggest having that PC running steam as a fallback of sorts
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Post by: Ian Sane on March 25, 2013, 06:20:59 PM
The Wii U has almost everything the Wii has so I no reason whatsoever to get a Wii over a Wii U at this point unless the cost difference is really worth it to you and the Wii U itself doesn't appeal to you and you don't think it has the potential to in the future. Or Gamecube support is really important to you and even then you'll not find that on any new Wii you can buy at a store.
Since I'm taking a "wait and see" approach regarding the Wii U I would naturally suggest the same to anyone else on the fence. Plus Sony and MS still have to release their new consoles and only then can we start to get an idea of what's going to be what with this gen. Right now the Wii U is for people that want to play what the Wii U has going for it at this very moment or never had a Wii and want to catch up with Nintendo systems. The rest of us can wait for price drops and more games to get released.
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Post by: ymeegod on March 25, 2013, 07:52:10 PM
Still he might be better off with a WII (sub $50 used now) than an used wii u ($200-250) range. The WII has GC BC and considering he skipped the GC/WII era he'll have plenty of backlogged titles to play.
You can get the mario series (Mario Sunshine (Gamecube), Mario Galaxy 1 and 2 (WII), and the New Super Mario Bros (WII). Don't forget Donkey Kong Ruturns (WII), Kirby's Epic Yarn, and Kirby Return to Dreamland.
For Metroid, buy Metroid Prime 1 and 2 (GC versions) and Metroid Prime 3(wii). Can't recommend Metroid Other M though.
Might was well hold off on the WII U for now.
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Post by: pokepal148 on March 25, 2013, 08:45:27 PM
Still he might be better off with a WII (sub $50 used now) than an used wii u ($200-250) range. The WII has GC BC and considering he skipped the GC/WII era he'll have plenty of backlogged titles to play.
You can get the mario series (Mario Sunshine (Gamecube), Mario Galaxy 1 and 2 (WII), and the New Super Mario Bros (WII). Don't forget Donkey Kong Ruturns (WII), Kirby's Epic Yarn, and Kirby Return to Dreamland.
For Metroid, buy Metroid Prime 1 and 2 (GC versions) and Metroid Prime 3(wii). Can't recommend Metroid Other M though.
Might was well hold off on the WII U for now.
hows he gonna know the model he's getting has bc meanwhile he can get a regular gamecube and gb player
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Post by: TJ Spyke on March 25, 2013, 08:50:40 PM
Still he might be better off with a WII (sub $50 used now) than an used wii u ($200-250) range. The WII has GC BC and considering he skipped the GC/WII era he'll have plenty of backlogged titles to play.
You can get the mario series (Mario Sunshine (Gamecube), Mario Galaxy 1 and 2 (WII), and the New Super Mario Bros (WII). Don't forget Donkey Kong Ruturns (WII), Kirby's Epic Yarn, and Kirby Return to Dreamland.
For Metroid, buy Metroid Prime 1 and 2 (GC versions) and Metroid Prime 3(wii). Can't recommend Metroid Other M though.
Might was well hold off on the WII U for now.
hows he gonna know the model he's getting has bc meanwhile he can get a regular gamecube and gb player
Its pretty easy since the gimped Wii looks different than the original Wii (hell, just looking at the Wii logo is enough. The original Wii is designed to be vertical, so the Wii logo is on the short side. The Wii Family Edition is designed to be horizontally flat, so the Wii logo is styled that way).
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Post by: pokepal148 on March 25, 2013, 09:30:00 PM
didn't they like quietly remove the controller ports before that in late 09 or something but even then a gamecube with a gameboy player can take the entire gb, gbc and gba library for a spin, and the gamecube also, the wii u, as an owner myself, i would advise a wait and see approach imo.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on March 25, 2013, 09:51:53 PM
No, the controller ports were only removed when the Family Edition was released in late-2011 (and became the default model).
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Post by: Lazyking on March 25, 2013, 10:02:38 PM
Thanks for all the suggestions.. If I do buy the Wii u it's not gonna be next week... so I have a while to decide.. just looking at my options and seeing what's best for me. I want to be informed as possible. Hell, I might not buy another system again, just what Nintendo is doing and some of their franchises have really caught my eye.. after basically being out of gaming for awhile.
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Post by: shingi_70 on March 26, 2013, 09:26:34 PM
So Nintendo is giving the Unity for Wii U dev tools alongside every Nintendo Wii U dev kit. https://twitter.com/timfollowsyou (https://twitter.com/timfollowsyou) Going to be nice when we see a lot of these indie games start to come out.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on March 26, 2013, 09:44:35 PM
Yep, posted this is my thread about Nintedo's interview about working with indie debelopers. They are providing Unity Pro 4 to all licensed Wii U developers free of charge, which is nice because normally that tool costs $1,500.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on March 27, 2013, 05:47:06 AM
That would be why a lot of Kickstarter games recently have been supporting Wii U as one of the platforms.
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Post by: ymeegod on March 27, 2013, 10:59:13 AM
New update in April is set to fix OS loading times, not sure if it's going fix in-game as well. Exiting the game back to OS took 20ish seconds, now it's about 7.
Here are some ways for Nintendo to boost Wii U sales:
1. Pull the normal Wii from retail shelves.
This would be really stupid, given how profitable that system must be at this point. Nobody's choosing between the two systems anyway.
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2. Discontinue the white basic model Wii U.
How exactly would this increase sales? Removing the cheaper option seems like it would lower sales, not increase them.
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3. Cut the deluxe Wii U down to $299.99 (price cuts worked for the Vita).
This would likely help, though the sales benefit for the Japanese Vita price drop hasn't seemed to continue past the first week.
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4. Change the name of the Wii U to the "Nintendo Stream."
This is an awful idea for so many reasons. For one, changing the name of a console after it's already been released is a marketing nightmare.
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5. Launch the most advanced marketing campaign affordable to convey what the system is to consumers.
This is the only really good idea you listed, and it's baffling that Nintendo hasn't done this yet. Maybe they're waiting for the second wave of games.
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6. Allow third party developers to take 90% of the profits on eShop sales to boost suppot.
This might work, and it might just keep the same level of support with less money going to Nintendo. It kind of strikes as a desperation move, and something Nintendo can never really walk back from.
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Post by: nickmitch on March 31, 2013, 08:46:21 PM
The 90% thing is a bad idea. Nintendo is giving US 10% back. So, why should they be giving 90% to the devs? A bigger cut (dunno what the current even is and too lazy to google) would be good, but you can't go over board.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on March 31, 2013, 09:49:46 PM
90% is pretty crazy. But to aggressively give more profits to the publishers would help promote better sales. So look around. If the profits for Apple are 30% to Apple...then Nintendo taking only 25% or 20% would be a pretty good idea. They could even do tiers. 20% for Nintendo on digital downloads no advertising, or Nintendo can promote your software in the eshop for 25% of the download. Or even the first 6 months available Nintendo takes 30% but after six months they only take 20%.
Aggressively finding ways to make putting software on Nintendo's platforms more profitable will definitely bring more publishers to Nintendo. Sure, they may be only Indie developers, but you know what Indie games are games too.
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Post by: pokepal148 on March 31, 2013, 09:55:46 PM
Aggressively finding ways to make putting software on Nintendo's platforms more profitable will definitely bring more publishers to Nintendo. Sure, they may be only Indie developers, but you know what Indie games are games too.
or even ways to make ps4/durango ports a easy task that could be done in no time and with no effort
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Post by: UncleBob on March 31, 2013, 10:16:59 PM
While I don't think 90% is a great idea, I could see Nintendo doing a crazy high percent to the developers/publishers for eShop releases that hit the store during a certain time frame. Like, from now until the next Microsoft system or PS4 release. :D
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on March 31, 2013, 11:23:19 PM
I agree that the Wii needs to be pulled from shelves. They're competing with themselves by having two consoles. They would have to cut the Wii U price though.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Lazyking on April 01, 2013, 12:29:03 AM
I agree that the Wii needs to be pulled from shelves. They're competing with themselves by having two consoles. They would have to cut the Wii U price though.
I agree with this. make the wii available online only if they must. Or cut wii u prices. Honestly, I can't afford the wii u at $350.. whereas I could buy a wii on Ebay for less then $60. Now, I don't work and not into gaming heavily so that's a factor but even for middle class people, $350 is like two paychecks lol.
For me, I won't be getting the Wii u til Christmas and by then, there will be price cut.
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Post by: Kytim89 on April 01, 2013, 01:48:47 AM
The 90% thing makes sense by allowing a developer like EA to make a bulk of the profits on their games sales on the eShop because low profit is such a disincentive to supporting Nintendo systems that you would see a scenario in which a developer like EA would shut its mouth about not liking Nnitendo and put games on their system, or atleast the eShop.
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Post by: Adrock on April 01, 2013, 07:41:27 AM
It doesn't make sense because it makes Nintendo look weak and easily bullied into taking a sucker's deal. Giving third parties a larger cut makes sense. Be competitive, but 90% is way too high.
I suppose a deal on older releases may be fair as long as it brought newer titles to Wii U. For example, Konami would get 90% on a Metal Gear Solid 4 release on Wii U, but they have to commit to releasing Ground Zeroes/The Phantom Pain on Wii U and for a comparable cut they get from Microsoft and Sony. Maybe Nintendo surrenders 5%-10% more to sweeten the deal. I just don't see handing out 90% for everything to be a good idea.
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Post by: Ceric on April 01, 2013, 09:52:47 AM
It doesn't make sense because it makes Nintendo look weak and easily bullied into taking a sucker's deal. Giving third parties a larger cut makes sense. Be competitive, but 90% is way too high.
I suppose a deal on older releases may be fair as long as it brought newer titles to Wii U. For example, Konami would get 90% on a Metal Gear Solid 4 release on Wii U, but they have to commit to releasing Ground Zeroes/The Phantom Pain on Wii U and for a comparable cut they get from Microsoft and Sony. Maybe Nintendo surrenders 5%-10% more to sweeten the deal. I just don't see handing out 90% for everything to be a good idea.
Personally I do it the other way give the 90% on the new game and take a larger percent on the required old game. That give's them a clear incentive to put the new game on the platform no matter how the old game did.
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Post by: Adrock on April 01, 2013, 10:25:55 AM
It does, but 90% is too high. It sets such a bad precendent. Third parties are going to think, "We can just withhold our games until Nintendo gives us the ridiculous cut we want." Giving a slighty higher percentage on a new game than both Microsoft and Sony do on top of 90% on older ports may even push the limits of acceptability. Nintendo can support their hardware on their own. They know it and third parties know it. Getting third parties on board stands to benefit both of them so an agreement that benefits both is fair. Nintendo taking a smaller cut is the extra incentive. Nintendo cannot give such a steep cut to third parties. It would make them look desperate. I don't think they're at that point. When Nintendo themselves releases games, console sales are no where near as bad as they've been the past few months.
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Post by: shingi_70 on April 01, 2013, 10:46:42 AM
Well the Industry standard is that Devs get 70% so 90 wouldn't be that big of a stretch. There's a good chance Microsoft will adopt on Xbox Live what's it has been doing with the windows Phone and Windows store. Developers get the standard 7% percent cut but once their product hits a $25,000 sales threshold they get 805 of the sales from than on. http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/39001/Windows_App_Store_Offers_Up_To_80_Cut_For_Developers.php (http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/39001/Windows_App_Store_Offers_Up_To_80_Cut_For_Developers.php)
But if were just talking getting more indie developers than I think Nintendo could offer to publish as well as try things such as Incubation programs and funds for indie devs.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 01, 2013, 11:50:56 AM
Yeah, don't listen to the armchair executives that know nothing about the bottom line and running a billion dollar business If Nintendo where to give a 90% cut, they may as well give the whole 100%.
Then they might as well just go 3rd party, because that's the only way they were gonna make money outside of their own releases.
It sounds good from a Nintendo only consumer stand point, but only in the extremely short term.
maybe if Nintendo did a deal for a relatively high percentage on first week sales, then a sliding scale the longer the game is in the market. But 90% it's way to high.
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Post by: UncleBob on April 01, 2013, 11:58:19 AM
Would it be worth it for Nintendo to introduce an "Only on..." program, where eShop exclusive titles get a higher cut of the profits?
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Post by: shingi_70 on April 01, 2013, 12:16:59 PM
Would it be worth it for Nintendo to introduce an "Only on..." program, where eShop exclusive titles get a higher cut of the profits?
It could work for developers who want to get their games on all platforms but only have enough resources for one platform. It would also reinforce the relationships Nintendo already has. Than you have to get into what type of exclusive would the game be. Timed or Forever and does having a PC version count against it. If Nintendo had better marketing they could throw in a program where high selling eshop games get out into the next television advert.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 01, 2013, 12:21:31 PM
Assisted marketing for Nintendo exclusives, or games with Nintendo exclusive features/DLC would probably be the route worth exploring, not that Nintendo couldn't afford to give a larger cut of the pie, but I don't see that being their first choice of action.
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Post by: shingi_70 on April 01, 2013, 01:21:59 PM
Assisted marketing for Nintendo exclusives, or games with Nintendo exclusive features/DLC would probably be the route worth exploring, not that Nintendo couldn't afford to give a larger cut of the pie, but I don't see that being their first choice of action.
A few things I could see -Have a high Profile indie on stage for E3 -An all indie game Nintendo direct.
Title: Miyamoto removed whats cool about original Star Fox
Post by: Caterkiller on April 01, 2013, 02:22:08 PM
Meant to post this a while ago.
Talks about the original developer behind Star Fox and their ideas. It talks about how Miyamoto removed what was cool about it. In my opinion for the better. It's worth a click.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 15, 2013, 02:07:57 AM
Has this been posted yet? https://twitter.com/qubegame/status/323105141161070593 (https://twitter.com/qubegame/status/323105141161070593) (http://i.imgur.com/kgsh9Im.jpg)
Q.U.B.E. is coming to Wii U:
Looks inspired by Portal in a way. More Indie games is always welcome though. Just hope the price is right. I might give it a shot.
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Post by: ThePerm on April 15, 2013, 02:57:16 AM
so portal meets minecraft?
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Post by: azeke on April 15, 2013, 05:50:00 AM
Assisted marketing for Nintendo exclusives, or games with Nintendo exclusive features/DLC would probably be the route worth exploring, not that Nintendo couldn't afford to give a larger cut of the pie, but I don't see that being their first choice of action.
I remember a few years ago when Nintendo had exclusive content in multiplatform games (Soul Calibur 2 had Link, and EA Sports used Mario characters). Maybe Nintendo can do that again, give developers more incentives for including these exclusive features.
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Post by: Caterkiller on April 17, 2013, 10:56:22 AM
Assisted marketing for Nintendo exclusives, or games with Nintendo exclusive features/DLC would probably be the route worth exploring, not that Nintendo couldn't afford to give a larger cut of the pie, but I don't see that being their first choice of action.
I remember a few years ago when Nintendo had exclusive content in multiplatform games (Soul Calibur 2 had Link, and EA Sports used Mario characters). Maybe Nintendo can do that again, give developers more incentives for including these exclusive features.
It is still happening to this day to sway over fickle Nintendo only guys. DOA for 3DS with Ridley and that Metroid stage, Tekken Tag 2, and probably Metal Gear on 3DS with them Yoshi's.
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Post by: azeke on April 17, 2013, 12:01:28 PM
No FIFA 2014 on Wii U apparently (http://kotaku.com/wii-u-left-out-of-another-major-sports-release-with-fif-474741739)
No one is surprised. No one. Thanks again, EA.
EA said additional platforms will be announced later. IIRC, last year the Wii U versions of Madden and FIFA were announced after the other versions too.
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Post by: Adrock on April 17, 2013, 01:18:56 PM
Like the article said, "additional platforms" probably means PS4 and Durango. If we're using last year's announcement as any indication, Wii U wasn't out yet when EA announced them at a later date. It could be the same with PS4/Durango. Why deliberately leave Wii U out of this announcement? I'd love to be wrong, but with EA's recent F Nintendo attitude, I'm not getting my hopes up.
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Post by: azeke on April 17, 2013, 02:30:10 PM
Like the article said, "additional platforms" probably means PS4 and Durango.
It's iOS and Android.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 23, 2013, 10:47:18 AM
Looks like another Indie Kickstarter is trying to come over to Wii U Armikrog is a "claymation" looking game from the makers of Neverhood
Wii U is part of their stretch goal, but they have already officially signed on with Nintendo http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1949537745/armikrog/posts/518224 (http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1949537745/armikrog/posts/518224)
Here is the proposed Wii U exclusive features for the gamepad (http://i.imgur.com/pblfYey.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/l0W6p8X.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/iZwEqre.jpg)
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Post by: shingi_70 on June 23, 2013, 11:00:24 AM
Its being made by the creator of Earthworm Jim.I know PC is a open platform but I wonder if it would be smarter to have the consoles e the main goals for kickstarters.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 23, 2013, 12:00:04 PM
You would think that with free tools to work with, every Indie would atleast be adding Wii U to their target list. They only need to purchase the dev kit themselves, after that, Nintendo seems to be eager to assist where they can.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Adrock on June 23, 2013, 12:17:06 PM
Nintendo approaching them about putting their game on Wii U is encouraging.
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Post by: Evan_B on June 23, 2013, 01:40:04 PM
I suppose pushing indie support is Nintendo's best choice right now, since they seem to be having trouble creating original content. I wish they'd release some eShop games themselves, though it is fairly early in the console's life. At the same time, that's something they could have used to push online connectivity and eShop as an application.
The way they're handling this console is just so awful.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: NeoStar9X on June 23, 2013, 03:20:10 PM
Nintendo approaching them about putting their game on Wii U is encouraging.
True. It was good to see they were proactive in that regard.
Nintendo's handling of the Wii U has put me on a roller coaster ride. To the point that I actually put down money for a PS4 yesterday. Though I canceled it and went for a refund today. Ugh. I would feel better if they could actually just come out and state 100% clearly why anyone should buy a Wii U. Put it into words that make even the biggest critic say "okay that clear and straight to the point". That they can't seem to do that I think is at the core of my concern. The "need to see it for yourself" or "need to play the games" simply isn't cutting it and won't cause the narrative to change.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: MagicCow64 on June 24, 2013, 12:29:58 AM
Now that E3 dust has settled a bit, I feel like I've committed to riding a funeral barge out to sea with the Wii U, which I am weirdly okay with. Don't like where things are going in general in the industry, so I don't feel too bad about going down with the ship.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Spak-Spang on June 24, 2013, 03:24:05 AM
Well, your funeral barge will at least double as a party barge...as Nintendo definitely knows how to make fun party and social games.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Evan_B on June 24, 2013, 04:58:40 PM
I'm getting X before this ship sinks.
All is well with the world.
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Post by: Luigi Dude on June 24, 2013, 05:05:05 PM
Now that E3 dust has settled a bit, I feel like I've committed to riding a funeral barge out to sea with the Wii U, which I am weirdly okay with. Don't like where things are going in general in the industry, so I don't feel too bad about going down with the ship.
If the rest of the industry keeps going down the same path they went last generation of taking huge losses, Nintendo will end up being the only one alive in the end. When games need to sell over 4 million copies just to break even, there's a huge problem. If the current dev cost are way too high to support much of the industry, the PS4/One sure as hell won't fix that.
Nintendo at least has the games that will make the Wii U profitable in the end to survive. Microsoft and Sony along with most third parties are basically playing a dangerous game of Jenga where they keep making budgets go so high eventually they'll collapse because there's nothing to sustain their insane cost any longer.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: ShyGuy on June 24, 2013, 07:31:52 PM
Two Rare leads coming back to Nintendo. We're putting the band back together. We're on a mission from God. /BluesBrothers
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Post by: MrPhishfood on June 24, 2013, 07:41:45 PM
Although I don't like DRM I thought Microsoft was foolish to backtrack on their stance, and I thought Sony was foolish to not include it in the first place.
To quote: Cliff Bleszinski
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You cannot have game and marketing budgets this high while also having used and rental games existing. The numbers do NOT work people.
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Post by: Shaymin on June 24, 2013, 07:54:52 PM
GOOD.
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Post by: shingi_70 on June 24, 2013, 08:56:28 PM
Eh the only thing I'll miss from Microsoft are retail and digital content being treated as one. I think Nintendo needs a big indie dev that they can use as there mouth piece like Sony and Microsoft have been able to get. Also I think a Nintendo has a problem of not wanting to bombard their customers with ad's (though miiverse is arguably social advertising),
Although I don't like DRM I thought Microsoft was foolish to backtrack on their stance, and I thought Sony was foolish to not include it in the first place.
To quote: Cliff Bleszinski
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You cannot have game and marketing budgets this high while also having used and rental games existing. The numbers do NOT work people.
ugh, more people quoting Cliffy B. Used car sales don't hurt automakers; used DVD sales don't hurt movie companies, etc.
Publishers have plenty of other ways (DLC and digital releases) to make up for the "losses" caused by used game sales.
As a consumer, it's my right to sell something I no longer want.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: shingi_70 on June 24, 2013, 09:12:55 PM
Pity that Nintendo could not buy back all of Rare's IPs and get the actual "band" back together.
Retro Studios is doing just fine as a suitable replacement. Plus now they have Platinum Games.
Retro is no where close to being a Rare Replacement from any stretch of the imagination. Also remember Tomorrow Platinum games could just as easily announce they're making a new IP for Sony or Microsoft.
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Post by: Oblivion on June 24, 2013, 09:30:20 PM
Bahahahaha Retro is leagues better than Rare ever was and will be.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: TJ Spyke on June 24, 2013, 09:39:02 PM
ugh, more people quoting Cliffy B. Used car sales don't hurt automakers; used DVD sales don't hurt movie companies, etc.
Publishers have plenty of other ways (DLC and digital releases) to make up for the "losses" caused by used game sales.
As a consumer, it's my right to sell something I no longer want.
So you're suddenly a video games industry expert that can discredit the words of CliffyB, one among other industry veterans who have voiced similar views?
Your analogies aren't even comparable. In what ways is a car and a DVD movie similar to a video game both as a business and as a product? Whatever similarities you can think of, I am sure you can come up with far more differences.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: tendoboy1984 on June 25, 2013, 04:45:52 AM
Video game publishers spend millions to make games that see very little return. The majority of revenue is from DLC purchases and first-month sales.
In the movie industry, a majority of revenue comes from first-month ticket sales and (eventually) DVD sales.
The two industries have a lot in common.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: smallsharkbigbite on June 25, 2013, 05:56:21 AM
So you're suddenly a video games industry expert that can discredit the words of CliffyB, one among other industry veterans who have voiced similar views?
Cliffy B makes video games. He is far from a business expert. I wouldn't go as far as say it's my right to be able to sell video games, but I would say it's my right to not buy a system that significantly limits my consumer rights.
I think this was a bad move by Microsoft. They can pretend that they had this great plan all along with all these benefits, but it means jack since they never communicated these benefits and they backtracked on them before they were ever released.
In my opinion, the industry needs to use the carrot instead of the stick. I look at where PC gaming was. Limited activation, required DRM software. Consumers have already voted against these practices and it practically killed the PC market. The PC market has started to somewhat recover because people see the value of having a Steam platform that gives you some benefits that physical purchases didn't and Steam competes with physical releases and is much cheaper.
That's my problem. I don't see the benefit of treating physical purchases as digital. You want the benefits of digital? Buy digital. You want the benefits of physical? Buy physical. Microsoft could have implemented all the changes they wants on digital games and not given the benefits to physical. But you need to show me the benefits instead of forcing me to change. It's not like I, as a consumer, am going to wake up and think boy, Cliffy is right. I keep waiting for physical games sales or buying used and this game I spent $20 is suddenly worth $60 to me. And I think that is the problem they face if they think every used game sale is a potential new game sale at $60.
I can't resale a digital game, I'm limited with how I can share digital games, I'm limited in how I can tranfer these games if my console breaks, and the industry makes more money on a digital game because their is no retail cut or production costs. There is absolutely no reason that a digital game should cost as much as a physical version day 1. If they would just release digital console games at $30-40 day 1 and have the physical game continue to cost $60 they would see a large transition to digital. But no, they want to try to force you to buy a $60 downloadable game and pretend they have to because retailers would be mad and that they may eventually lower the price. The idea is silly to me. And it's compounded by publishers that over-produce physical copies to the point that most physical releases hit $19.99 before they are a year old.
Show me the value of digital games, don't treat me like a criminal and pretend like I'll just fork over the money and I need games.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: shingi_70 on June 25, 2013, 08:35:49 AM
Didn't see it posted here but Soul Saga an RPG is being kickstarted and one of the strech goals is Wii U. http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/disastercake/soul-saga-a-j-rpg-inspired-by-playstation-classics (http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/disastercake/soul-saga-a-j-rpg-inspired-by-playstation-classics)
SO far its at 45,000 with the Wii U option being 80,000.
Looks decent enough though I find parts of it too animish for my taste.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Oblivion on June 25, 2013, 10:24:13 AM
Don't know what animish is but I hate to break it to you, but JRPG's generally are "anime-ish".
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Ceric on June 25, 2013, 10:30:01 AM
On some of the early discussion. Nintendo does have Ads in the UI. That's what those bubbles up top are. They are ads with human testimonial. Its a great concept. One that may pay off more when the system has a wider range of Non-Platformer games.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Soren on June 25, 2013, 11:51:08 AM
So you're suddenly a video games industry expert that can discredit the words of CliffyB, one among other industry veterans who have voiced similar views?
Since when are we, the consumers, responsible for the high costs of video game development? Because that's the crux of Cliffy B's "analysis". If the numbers don't work, find a way to make production cheaper instead of blaming something that is perfectly legal.
Going digital will also not kill the used market. So developers need to focus their energies into other issues.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: shingi_70 on June 25, 2013, 12:03:30 PM
Don't know what animish is but I hate to break it to you, but JRPG's generally are "anime-ish".
Maybe its because I haven't played many JRPGS this gen, but I guess its more of the style of cutscenes and overly Generic anime tropes with the characters thus far. The art style really isn't the problem because I loved tales of Verperia and Symphonia.
Also it looks like the game may be coming too PS4/Vita as well, as the developer posted on a kickstarter update about being in talks with the Sony indie team.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: MagicCow64 on June 25, 2013, 02:09:01 PM
I am on board with the sentiment that next gen is heading for serious problems. I don't think this is going to look like the previous crash, though. If the Xbone and PS4 do poorly enough, I can see Microsoft and Sony withdrawing from the console-making game by not making new systems and transitioning to platform-based services. Or maybe if it's bad enough downsizing to software-only.
In either case, I'm not sure how this benefits Nintendo. Though Nintendo itself has a stronger foundation, I don't see how they'd benefit from a drastic shrinkage/transformation of the video game market.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: tendoboy1984 on June 25, 2013, 03:45:44 PM
So you're suddenly a video games industry expert that can discredit the words of CliffyB, one among other industry veterans who have voiced similar views?
Since when are we, the consumers, responsible for the high costs of video game development? Because that's the crux of Cliffy B's "analysis". If the numbers don't work, find a way to make production cheaper instead of blaming something that is perfectly legal.
Going digital will also not kill the used market. So developers need to focus their energies into other issues.
This this this! Developers and publishers have only themselves to blame for their bloated game engines, increased spending, over-hiring of employees resulting in mass layoffs, etc. It's called being conservative with your resources, don't overspend when you can't afford the losses.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Kytim89 on June 25, 2013, 03:56:05 PM
So you're suddenly a video games industry expert that can discredit the words of CliffyB, one among other industry veterans who have voiced similar views?
Since when are we, the consumers, responsible for the high costs of video game development? Because that's the crux of Cliffy B's "analysis". If the numbers don't work, find a way to make production cheaper instead of blaming something that is perfectly legal.
Going digital will also not kill the used market. So developers need to focus their energies into other issues.
This this this! Developers and publishers have only themselves to blame for their bloated game engines, increased spending, over-hiring of employees resulting in mass layoffs, etc. It's called being conservative with your resources, don't overspend when you can't afford the losses.
In a way it is the consumers fault as well. I mean we reward game studios and console makers for make bigger and better products, so they are incentive to keep raising the bar. The issue is really the tanking global and currency fluctuations that cause profits to be lost in some regions and not others.
Incompetent leadership is another reason.
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Post by: Adrock on June 25, 2013, 04:07:21 PM
Are consumers in general really rewarding them if most of those games underperform?
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: TJ Spyke on June 25, 2013, 04:08:58 PM
Currency fluctuations is bull and has nothing to do with it, this has been happening for decades.
As for "rewarding" big budget games, if a game is good I will buy it regardless of whether it cost $5,000 to make or $50 million. Studios can, and do, make profit on low budget games too.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Soren on June 25, 2013, 04:14:49 PM
In a way it is the consumers fault as well. I mean we reward game studios and console makers for make bigger and better products, so they are incentive to keep raising the bar...
Yeah, I'm going to stop you right there. We buy games from studios because they are good, not because they have astronomical budgets. The only incentive they have is to keep making better games, so we keep buying them. They chose to "raise the bar" and keep pumping money indiscriminately instead of finding cheaper production methods.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: shingi_70 on June 25, 2013, 04:46:45 PM
On some of the early discussion. Nintendo does have Ads in the UI. That's what those bubbles up top are. They are ads with human testimonial. Its a great concept. One that may pay off more when the system has a wider range of Non-Platformer games.
I wonder how much this works in place of Traditional Advertising. I know Sony is using this Type of advertising by showing your friends actions/. Microsoft looks to be doing both having the their traditional ad's on the dashboard, while also having a section for trending.
Don't have a Wii U but has Wara Wara Plaza/Miiverse help you decide to get other games.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: RedBlue on June 25, 2013, 10:54:57 PM
On some of the early discussion. Nintendo does have Ads in the UI. That's what those bubbles up top are. They are ads with human testimonial. Its a great concept. One that may pay off more when the system has a wider range of Non-Platformer games.
I wonder how much this works in place of Traditional Advertising. I know Sony is using this Type of advertising by showing your friends actions/. Microsoft looks to be doing both having the their traditional ad's on the dashboard, while also having a section for trending.
Don't have a Wii U but has Wara Wara Plaza/Miiverse help you decide to get other games.
No because the wara wara plaza doesn't work like that. Only the communities that have the most activity show up. I often see YouTube and Netflix on my plaza.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Spak-Spang on June 26, 2013, 01:17:15 AM
It isn't advertising...as much as it is social gaming communication. Companies are not paying to get there games listed. Instead, they are just posting games when there is activity by you or your friends.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Soren on June 28, 2013, 11:17:02 AM
Looks like another Indie Kickstarter is trying to come over to Wii U Armikrog is a "claymation" looking game from the makers of Neverhood
Wii U is part of their stretch goal, but they have already officially signed on with Nintendo http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1949537745/armikrog/posts/518224 (http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1949537745/armikrog/posts/518224)
The game has been funded and the Wii U stretch goal reached.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: shingi_70 on June 29, 2013, 12:14:51 AM
whelp shadow of the eternals is probably dead.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Adrock on June 29, 2013, 07:07:08 AM
It was probably dead before the whole child pr0n thing.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: shingi_70 on June 29, 2013, 07:29:12 AM
It was probably dead before the whole child pr0n thing.
well yeah but this kills any chance of new lower price kickstarter working or abigger company picking the game up. Seems something that both Sony and Microsoft would be interested in. (especially with Microsoft wanting to invest in episodic style content).
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Adrock on June 29, 2013, 09:26:41 AM
The child pr0n thing has nothing to do with Precursor Games as a whole. It's not like the company was fostering that activity. It was one person supposedly engaging in that on his own time. If you work for Target and you murder someone at like a bar or something, people aren't going to blame Target. This draws unnecessary bad publicity to Precursor Games by association, but the company itself hasn't done anything wrong (that we know of). If they have an engaging product, the behavior of one individual outside of company time shouldn't affect their business.
I don't think Microsoft was going anywhere near the sequel to Silicon Knights considering how much money they sank into Too Human without any real return on that investment. I always felt like Nintendo would be the most interested publisher considering their ties to Dyack and Silicon Knights (they're apparently on good terms). If they didn't bite yet, I'm not confident in that changing.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 29, 2013, 11:52:37 AM
It was probably dead before the whole child pr0n thing.
He was the founder of Precursor and Director of content at SK... no wonder they could never get a game out. Everyone else was too busy trying to explain to him why they couldn't include inspiration from his favorite hobby into the games.
The child pr0n thing has nothing to do with Precursor Games as a whole. It's not like the company was fostering that activity. It was one person supposedly engaging in that on his own time. If you work for Target and you murder someone at like a bar or something, people aren't going to blame Target. This draws unnecessary bad publicity to Precursor Games by association, but the company itself hasn't done anything wrong (that we know of). If they have an engaging product, the behavior of one individual outside of company time shouldn't affect their business.
I don't think Microsoft was going anywhere near the sequel to Silicon Knights considering how much money they sank into Too Human without any real return on that investment. I always felt like Nintendo would be the most interested publisher considering their ties to Dyack and Silicon Knights (they're apparently on good terms). If they didn't bite yet, I'm not confident in that changing.
And the guy was the founder.
If Bill gates was busted for an underground slave ring, I would think MS would be boycotted by the masses. Luckliy no one really knows who Precursor is, so they still have time to "re-brand" and recreate themselves.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Adrock on June 29, 2013, 12:32:06 PM
It's damaging to public perception, but one man's actions aren't indicative of an entire company's culture or the other people who work there even if the man in question was the co-founder. These charges have absolutely nothing to do with what Precursor Games does as a company. I'm not denying that some people will boycott company A because employee B of company A was charged with felony C. That happens because of the nature of people. However, I would like to give most people the benefit of the doubt and say they won't associate Ken McCulloch's charges with the entirety of Precursor Games. "Ken McCulloch was arrested on charges of child pornography possession and distribution. He cofounded Precursor Games. Therefore, Precursor Games supported/aided/harbored a criminal." Some people will be that stupid. Some. Not all. Not even most. I hope anyway.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Spak-Spang on July 03, 2013, 01:24:10 AM
The difference between Target and Microsoft and Precursor games is vast.
Precursor games is a small business with only a handful of employees. Each core employee is important in maintaining the balance of the company and its ability to create a product.
But Target and Microsoft can lose a single person without a problem. Even very high up managers could get axed with little effect to the corporation.
Precursor games is also a company with no history, no backing, and very little support...it also just lost one of its key members to a horrible crime that nobody supports or defends. This is a PR nightmare...and the only thing they can hope is that the company is so small nobody had noticed them yet.
Except, the core audience that would of crowd funded their game has already noticed them...and has already read this story.
No the company is dead and done. They might as well just rename the game, and company, and start all over. But even that probably won't work.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 03, 2013, 02:09:09 AM
Ubisoft thinks "second screen" gaming is the future.
They are currently focusing on PS4/XB1, but will consider Wii U if it makes sense....
At an earlier interview with Ubisoft chief executive officer Yves Guillemot, GamesIndustry International had a chance to ask him about the company's second-screen experiment.
"I'm convinced it's the future," Guillemot told us. "What I like in second-screen play is its accessibility, which means different types of people can play. Those who don't know how to play with the [controller] or don't like to play with it can use touch. So that's the first good element."
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"With Assassin's Creed III, we were involved on the Wii U version. The Wii U was kind of the pioneer of the connected tablet interface. This gave us some ideas for the first iteration of tablets connected with console games," said Rioux.
Unfortunately, while the Wii U was the beginning, Ubisoft Quebec's current focus is creating a cohesive experience between the Xbox One/PlayStation 4 and mobile devices. The studio is not committed to bringing some of these new experiences to the Wii U platform.
"It's not confirmed yet, but if it's possible to do it and it makes sense, yes we will provide some kind of experience on the Wii U. Our focus is on the new generation of Microsoft and Sony consoles," explained Rioux.
I realize their scope goes beyond the connectivity of the Wii U, but come on!!!
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Caterkiller on July 03, 2013, 03:20:40 AM
Well the fantasy world that we lived in while Wii was a cultural phenomon is over and now Nintendo fans are back to reality. This is life as we have known it and will know it.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Adrock on July 03, 2013, 07:14:16 AM
Thanks, BlackNMild. I feel like **** punting Yves Guillemot. And not as a Nintendo fan, just out of principle for that assault on rational thinking. No, I don't care if he's male.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: RABicle on July 03, 2013, 08:51:48 AM
No the company is dead and done. They might as well just rename the game, and company, and start all over. But even that probably won't work.
They already did that remember? They used to be called Silicon Knights. They reshuffled staff, moved offices, renamed Eternal Darkness 2 to Shadows of the Eternals and kept all the old equipment and work they'd done. They even still had some of those funds they'd embezzled off Activision.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Spak-Spang on July 04, 2013, 03:18:06 AM
No the company is dead and done. They might as well just rename the game, and company, and start all over. But even that probably won't work.
They already did that remember? They used to be called Silicon Knights. They reshuffled staff, moved offices, renamed Eternal Darkness 2 to Shadows of the Eternals and kept all the old equipment and work they'd done. They even still had some of those funds they'd embezzled off Activision.
3rd times a charm....right?
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: shingi_70 on July 05, 2013, 10:04:21 AM
Like I said in the thread I posted its weird the Wii U is being ignored while second screen gaming is becoming more prevalent. Well not weird just the sad reality of the Industry and how it feels about Nintendo.
In the latest issue of Edge Nintendo are barely mentioned getting a Paragraph about their E3 coverage at the tail end of a PS4 head bobbing article. (to be fair Xbox One got a whole page on why its going to fail).
Kamiya is concerned that Nintendo isn't going to market the Wonderful 101 that much. http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=614076 (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=614076)
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Post by: alegoicoe on July 06, 2013, 04:42:02 AM
Like I said in the thread I posted its weird the Wii U is being ignored while second screen gaming is becoming more prevalent. Well not weird just the sad reality of the Industry and how it feels about Nintendo.
In the latest issue of Edge Nintendo are barely mentioned getting a Paragraph about their E3 coverage at the tail end of a PS4 head bobbing article. (to be fair Xbox One got a whole page on why its going to fail).
Kamiya is concerned that Nintendo isn't going to market the Wonderful 101 that much. http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=614076 (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=614076)
Edge is outdated and their journalism sucks.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: pokepal148 on July 06, 2013, 12:16:06 PM
Currency fluctuations is bull and has nothing to do with it, this has been happening for decades.
As for "rewarding" big budget games, if a game is good I will buy it regardless of whether it cost $5,000 to make or $50 million. Studios can, and do, make profit on low budget games too.
But big budget games market well to more casual players. case and point Call of Duty
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Soren on July 11, 2013, 11:50:05 AM
Capcom Unity just confirmed Duck Tales release date: Aug 13 for Wii U eShop. $15.
There's a physical copy with a download code and a pin, but it's PS3 only.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Kytim89 on July 12, 2013, 06:26:29 PM
I just thought of a clever way for Nintendo to market the Wii U:
Create a Nintendo Direct explaining what the Wii U is to the gaming industry.
Explain the DS and 3DS and then show that the Wii U brings dual screen gaming to the TV.
Announce a price cut to $299.99.
Show case whatever third party games are available for the Wii U.
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Post by: MegaByte on July 12, 2013, 11:13:08 PM
Still living up to that title.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Oblivion on July 13, 2013, 12:08:56 PM
I just thought of a clever way for Nintendo to market the Wii U:
Create a Nintendo Direct explaining what the Wii U is to the gaming industry.
Explain the DS and 3DS and then show that the Wii U brings dual screen gaming to the TV.
Announce a price cut to $299.99.
Show case whatever third party games are available for the Wii U.
1. What good will this do? Publishers will still ignore them. 2. Again, what will this do? The industry all know it already does this, so they will do it on other consoles. 3. Probably the only good thing on your list. 4. What third party games? It's a catch-22, they can't get third parties on board if they don't sell more consoles, but they won't sell more consoles unless they get third parties on board.
I fail to see how this is clever at all.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: shingi_70 on July 13, 2013, 03:20:21 PM
Shadows of the Eternal Kickstarter is being reluanched July 25th.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Adrock on July 20, 2013, 07:11:34 AM
Strider, developed by Double Helix for Capcom, is currently not coming to Wii U.
Ultra Street Fighter IV is currently not coming to Wii U (or PS4/One), but may come out for Vita and 3DS.
Soul Calibur II HD Online is currently not coming to Wii U. Obviously, no Link, but seems like Heihachi and Spawn are selectable in both versions.
Wii U fans are sad.
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Post by: Shaymin on July 20, 2013, 08:43:38 AM
In the case of SCIIHD, the only exclusive character they'll confirm is Heiachi. They're using the PS2 version as the base for porting.
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Post by: Adrock on July 20, 2013, 10:30:40 AM
The site I read it on had Spawn confirmed, but I haven't seen it anywhere else. I guess that makes sense since Heihachi is a Namco character and they wouldn't need to re-license the Spawn if they needed to.
Maybe Nintendo can waive the fee just to get the game (which is probably what they did on GameCube). I'm sure it'd sell because ZOMG LINK.
Edit: fixed autocorrect. Yes, it bothered me enough to edit this hours later.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Kytim89 on July 20, 2013, 01:26:49 PM
nintendo needs to make an extremely darastic measure imo
1. kill the basic model and repackage the deluxe model as the standard model
2. drop the now standard 32gb Wii U to about $269, thus completely undercutting the ps4 and building some comfortable distance,
3. FOR PETES SAKE FIGURE OUT YOUR MARKETING, that 2011 teaser thing was better then what you have now.
4. develop some sort of development conversion tool to make bringing games from x86 architectures to the wii u.
5. use games like Rayman Legends to show that games can be improved with the gamepad.
Well according to reports from June, Nintendo has been getting rid of Basic models from stores and looking like it'll be Deluxe only in the future.
The problem with marketing is they need actual games to market. That's been the biggest problem with the Wii U, because it's hard to market the system when the only current game with any major appeal was hurt by the fact Nintendo released a similar game on the much cheaper 3DS only 3 months before its launch.
This is why Nintendo really can't do anything with the Wii U until at least October when Wii Party, Wind Waker HD and Sonic Lost World are released. If there is going to be a price cut and increased marketing, Nintendo is saving it for then because no matter how much they cut the price or improve any marketing now, without the games to back it up not much will change.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: pokepal148 on July 21, 2013, 07:00:28 PM
the 3DS cut its price with nothing but star fox for the next 3 months.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: alegoicoe on July 22, 2013, 06:18:43 AM
Just read a rumor over at nintendolife that Nintendo might be planing to buy Atlus, i mean we all can hope.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: azeke on July 22, 2013, 06:33:38 AM
THE actual source of this story (not an aggregator site who lives off clicks it gets from posting rumours and other random stuff on hourly basis), is some other site, which i will also won't name to not to give even more promotion.
One of biggest news this other site had was story about Barack Obama's "divorce".
Yeaah...
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Caterkiller on July 22, 2013, 11:46:34 AM
What's Atlus known for? What could we expect from this potential buy out?
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Post by: TJ Spyke on July 22, 2013, 11:59:43 AM
What's Atlus known for? What could we expect from this potential buy out?
Niche games, mostly RPGs. Trauma Center, Etrian Odyssey, etc. Usually well received, but also usually small printing runs (which makes most of their games expensive to buy).
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Ceric on July 22, 2013, 12:11:33 PM
What's Atlus known for? What could we expect from this potential buy out?
Niche games, mostly RPGs. Trauma Center, Etrian Odyssey, etc. Usually well received, but also usually small printing runs (which makes most of their games expensive to buy).
Which I think Nintendo would benefit from. Atlus tends to have a good eye for games with a good idea what to realistically expect from them.
I think Nintendo would do well to let them keep doing that but with limiting the platforms to the Nintendo ecosystem for the most part. Hopefully giving them so more breadth that they desperately need.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Oblivion on July 22, 2013, 01:38:56 PM
I like Atlus games better on Playstation systems, so I hope this isn't true.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: alegoicoe on July 22, 2013, 04:46:25 PM
I like Atlus games better on Playstation systems, so I hope this isn't true.
If Nintendo were to buy Atlus then the same games they release on the Playstation would be released on Nintendo systems. Unless you're a Sony fanboy who refuses to buy Nintendo consoles, there isn't a single reason why Nintendo buying Atlus would be a bad thing because you'd get the same games, except now all on Nintendo systems.
Actually, most of Atlus series are already been exclusive to the DS and 3DS the last several years so being bought by Nintendo wouldn't be that big a change. The only big Playstation exclusive is Persona which wouldn't be a problem fitting in considering the much darker Shin Megami Tensei series has existed just fine on Nintendo consoles in recent years and is even getting a crossover with Fire Emblem.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Bizzy_Fatso on July 22, 2013, 05:30:17 PM
If Nintendo were to buy Atlus then the same games they release on the Playstation would be released on Nintendo systems. Unless you're a Sony fanboy who refuses to buy Nintendo consoles, there isn't a single reason why Nintendo buying Atlus would be a bad thing because you'd get the same games, except now all on Nintendo systems.
There isn't a single reason? What if you want sequels to Atlus' PS3 titles and you actually want them to be next-generation titles? If you can't see any benefits of publishers putting out games on PS4/XBone instead of strictly on Nintendo's consoles, then YOU are the fanboy my friend.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Ymeegod on July 22, 2013, 06:39:52 PM
Would NoA even localized Atlus games to the US? Nintendo North American branch seem to only want to publish big 1million + hits and Atlus games are in general small cult following types.
Some of Atlus games have more "adult themes" which wouldn't have been greenlit though NoJ (AKA people shooting themselves in the head).
Sony would be a better fit overall out of the big 3 but I rather see Atlus stay with a smaller independent publisher.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Sarail on July 22, 2013, 07:55:44 PM
Maybe Nintendo could use bits of Atlus to start localising Nintendo games quicker?
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Enner on July 22, 2013, 08:08:32 PM
There isn't a single reason? What if you want sequels to Atlus' PS3 titles and you actually want them to be next-generation titles?
*looks at list of Atlus games (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Atlus_games#PlayStation_3 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Atlus_games#PlayStation_3)) for PS3/X360 and takes note of those published and developed by Atlus and developers that practically are Atlus (e.g. Vanillaware)*
Yeah... given that most Japanese video game companies are lagging behind in producing HD visuals (and Atlus as a developer is in that group), I have doubts that we'll be missing much in the hypothetical situation of Nintendo buying Atlus. The handful of Japanese third-party companies that are keeping up in the graphics race are Capcom, Konami, Square Enix, and probably a few others that I haven't considered. Even then, some of those companies are having trouble keeping up and are floating their boats with smaller, social games.
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Post by: broodwars on July 22, 2013, 08:45:15 PM
Given that the independence of Atlus is what allows them to put out such a large amount of games with such a large variety, I wouldn't be thrilled with any major company purchasing them. If I had to pick a large company to do so, I'd side with Sony just because they aren't huge micro-managers, whereas Nintendo is. I'd still prefer a smaller company like Gung-Ho or XSEED acquire them, though.
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Post by: Luigi Dude on July 22, 2013, 09:45:04 PM
Some of Atlus games have more "adult themes" which wouldn't have been greenlit though NoJ (AKA people shooting themselves in the head).
You mean the same Nintendo which saved, is funding and going to publish Bayonetta 2? Not sure why some of you still seem to live in the early 90's when it comes to content Nintendo allows. Just because most of their own games are for everyone, doesn't mean they don't allow more adult games from being made. Especially when they have a history of publishing games aimed at older audiences.
Like I already said, if Nintendo was to buy Atlus, they wouldn't effect the games they make because the only reason they would ever buy Atlus is to help diversify their own games lineup. This is the same reason they bought Monolith Soft, in which Iwata even said the reason they bought them was so they can make the kind of games Nintendo doesn't make. Which is why Monolith Soft has had the freedom to do their own thing despite the fact Nintendo has owned them for over 6 years now.
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Post by: Ymeegod on July 22, 2013, 11:56:15 PM
"is funding and going to publish Bayonetta 2?"
And did you even play the original to notice the difference? In the first game, every time she uses a combo she loses some of her suit and yet from the trailer for the sequel that's no longer the case, she remains fully clothed even after main specials were pulled. That's the Nintendo difference and it's pretty clear to see.
Kinda reminds me of Fire Emblem 3ds and it's "ass-cover up". NoA goes out of it's way to "protect" it's image.
In the first game, every time she uses a combo she loses some of her suit
Have you played the game? She does NOT lose her hair suit because of the combo. Hair go away for other reason (won't name it, so that you can check for yourself if you really DO know the game as much you claim to be) and not only you can do combos without this element, you can do it without combos as well.
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Post by: Ymeegod on July 23, 2013, 07:52:41 AM
It's been awhile since I played but I recall a nearly naked Bayonetta running all over the place.
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Post by: azeke on July 23, 2013, 08:17:53 AM
Don't try to wiggle yourself out with new conditions. You claimed that hair DOESN'T come off. Obviously it is wrong. It happens many times during the trailer and on official screenshot.
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Post by: fiendcode on July 23, 2013, 10:03:09 AM
Given that the independence of Atlus is what allows them to put out such a large amount of games with such a large variety, I wouldn't be thrilled with any major company purchasing them. If I had to pick a large company to do so, I'd side with Sony just because they aren't huge micro-managers, whereas Nintendo is. I'd still prefer a smaller company like Gung-Ho or XSEED acquire them, though.
Sony has a nasty habit of shuttering studios in recent years (Psygnosis/Studio Liverpool, BigBig, Zipper, Ingocnito, etc) plus they invest next to nothing into the Japanese industry these days. SCE has actually never bought a Japanese studio, they simply don't appear to value their home development community and seemingly prefer chasing Microsoft westward.
Nintendo's "iron fist" developer policies are also largely overblown, and is traditionally a western phenomenon anyway. Within Japan Nintendo funds a multitude of studios on a wide variety of projects, many with little oversight. If you look at the last Japanese studio they acquired (Monolith Soft) they're flourising these days with a lot of backing and a lot of discretion on the projects they want to do. Nintendo would easily be preferable to Sony for acquiring Atlus imo, and their track record really supports it.
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Post by: shingi_70 on July 24, 2013, 09:31:57 AM
Given that the independence of Atlus is what allows them to put out such a large amount of games with such a large variety, I wouldn't be thrilled with any major company purchasing them. If I had to pick a large company to do so, I'd side with Sony just because they aren't huge micro-managers, whereas Nintendo is. I'd still prefer a smaller company like Gung-Ho or XSEED acquire them, though.
Sony has a nasty habit of shuttering studios in recent years (Psygnosis/Studio Liverpool, BigBig, Zipper, Ingocnito, etc) plus they invest next to nothing into the Japanese industry these days. SCE has actually never bought a Japanese studio, they simply don't appear to value their home development community and seemingly prefer chasing Microsoft westward.
Nintendo's "iron fist" developer policies are also largely overblown, and is traditionally a western phenomenon anyway. Within Japan Nintendo funds a multitude of studios on a wide variety of projects, many with little oversight. If you look at the last Japanese studio they acquired (Monolith Soft) they're flourising these days with a lot of backing and a lot of discretion on the projects they want to do. Nintendo would easily be preferable to Sony for acquiring Atlus imo, and their track record really supports it.
Sony doesn't have to buy Japanese development when most of that community (especially the JRPG guys who they have wrapped n their hand) supports them anyway.
Sony buying Atlus would just solidify what platforms other niche japanese developers would develop for. (not that they plan to leave the PS3 any time soon mind you)
Also to say Sony doesn't invest in Japnese studios is disingenuous Looking at thier output as of late.
Most of those games are made in conjunction with non sony Japanese Studios.
Nintendo's Iron Fist isn't vastly overblown. If that were thr case than where is a New IP from the Zelda team or one of the Mario Teams. Why didn't retro have free range to do whatever they wanted for their next project. Why is Sakurai wasting his talents on yet another smash bros game that he didn't even know he was making.
(Its even more funny when one branch of Sony's
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on July 24, 2013, 09:40:23 AM
Niche Japanese developers left the PS3 a long time ago. Those games are on the 3DS now, and to a much lesser extent the Vita.
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Post by: shingi_70 on July 24, 2013, 10:26:22 AM
Niche Japanese developers left the PS3 a long time ago. Those games are on the 3DS now, and to a much lesser extent the Vita.
I'm still seeing a ton of console RPGs on PS3. Those weird ass neptuna games, some legends of the sky stuff, and it sounds like the tales series is PS4 for th forseeable future.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on July 24, 2013, 10:57:02 AM
Almost all of those are developed by just Sony studios, and all have Sony either developing by themselves or with others. Doesn't really support your case.
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Post by: ShyGuy on July 25, 2013, 02:28:37 PM
Activision confirmed COD Ghost Dog and five kid/family games for Wii U: Skylanders, Angry Birds x2, SpongeBob, and Wipeout (with course creation maybe?)
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Post by: broodwars on July 25, 2013, 03:57:55 PM
Activision confirmed COD Ghost Dog and five kid/family games for Wii U: Skylanders, Angry Birds x2, SpongeBob, and Wipeout (with course creation maybe?)
I wonder what the over/under is on Wii U's CoD: Hound of the Baskervilles' online user base actually breaking the 1,000 player barrier this time. Last year, CoD: Black Ops 2's was around 700 according to anecdotal reports.
I really don't understand why Activision couldn't make up their mind if that port existed or not. It's not like they were still deciding, as by E3 development had to have been started by then. Maybe they were on the fence about canceling it.
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Post by: shingi_70 on July 25, 2013, 06:29:32 PM
The Kickstarter for Shadow of the Eternals has been reluanched with a smaller goal and ditching the episodic nature.
I want to pledge since there's a PS4 stretch goal but they gave no indication on how much money to get o the stretch goal.
If Precursor Games couldn't make ONE episode for less than $1.5 million, what makes ANYONE think that they can make the entire next-generation game with $750,000? Oh, but of course they have "private backing" from an unnamed external company this time. Of course they do. This project has "scam" written all over it even more than it did before.
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Post by: Soren on July 25, 2013, 06:53:57 PM
Activision confirmed COD Ghost Dog and five kid/family games for Wii U: Skylanders, Angry Birds x2, SpongeBob, and Wipeout (with course creation maybe?)
I wonder what the over/under is on Wii U's CoD: Hound of the Baskervilles' online user base actually breaking the 1,000 player barrier this time. Last year, CoD: Black Ops 2's was around 700 according to anecdotal reports.
Actually the game had broken the 1k player barrier by December. Before I traded in my copy the online multiplayer would hover between 3-4k during peak hours and about 1,500 during the rest of the day.
Regardless, the numbers for COD:Release the Hounds should be better seeing as how the game will be released on the same day as others.
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Post by: Oblivion on July 25, 2013, 06:56:22 PM
Last year, CoD: Black Ops 2's was around 700 according to anecdotal reports.
LOL, being someone who actually played Blops 2 on the WIi U, I've seen the online count go all the way up to 5,000. Nice troll though, broodwars.
Like I said, those were anecdotal reports that people were giving on podcasts last year (I believe the one I heard was on Player One) when they were discussing the game. If it's gone up since then, fine.
THAT SAID, considering the player base on the other consoles was around 400,000 - 700,000 each in the same anecdotal reports, that still doesn't speak well for the Wii U and its chances with Call of Dooby-U: Where Are You?
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Post by: ShyGuy on July 25, 2013, 07:06:35 PM
COD Blops 2 is estimated to have sold around 200k on the Wii U, which should be enough to make a small profit after porting the game, enough to justify releasing the next version. There are 178k players on the leader board.
COD Ghost Nintendogs should do better thanks to a larger Wii U install base.
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Post by: broodwars on July 25, 2013, 07:11:57 PM
COD Blops 2 is estimated to have sold around 200k on the Wii U, which should be enough to make a small profit after porting the game, enough to justify releasing the next version. There are 178k players on the leader board.
COD Ghost Nintendogs should do better thanks to a larger Wii U install base.
Well, we'll see. I still find it baffling that Activision waited this long to announce The Thirteen Ghosts of Call of Duty for Wii U. In interviews at E3 the game's developers seemed confused as to whether or not they were doing it.
*On a sidenote, this naming game is fun. ;D *
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Post by: EasyCure on July 25, 2013, 07:21:21 PM
Yes it is, these have me cracking up and are by far the only thing that interest me in COD. Keep it up! Call of Old Yellers Ghost isn't very clever, but I felt like throwing one out there so deal with it
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Post by: shingi_70 on July 25, 2013, 07:59:56 PM
The Kickstarter for Shadow of the Eternals has been reluanched with a smaller goal and ditching the episodic nature.
I want to pledge since there's a PS4 stretch goal but they gave no indication on how much money to get o the stretch goal.
If Precursor Games couldn't make ONE episode for less than $1.5 million, what makes ANYONE think that they can make the entire next-generation game with $750,000? Oh, but of course they have "private backing" from an unnamed external company this time. Of course they do. This project has "scam" written all over it even more than it did before.
Its funny one of the reward teir is paying $5000 to work for these for free at E3.
DA Faq
hope them all the sucess but I probably won't back since I don't even know if there will be a PS4 version.
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Post by: Louieturkey on July 25, 2013, 08:03:14 PM
The Kickstarter for Shadow of the Eternals has been reluanched with a smaller goal and ditching the episodic nature.
I want to pledge since there's a PS4 stretch goal but they gave no indication on how much money to get o the stretch goal.
If Precursor Games couldn't make ONE episode for less than $1.5 million, what makes ANYONE think that they can make the entire next-generation game with $750,000? Oh, but of course they have "private backing" from an unnamed external company this time. Of course they do. This project has "scam" written all over it even more than it did before.
Always the optimist Broodwars.
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Post by: broodwars on July 25, 2013, 10:22:38 PM
The Kickstarter for Shadow of the Eternals has been reluanched with a smaller goal and ditching the episodic nature.
I want to pledge since there's a PS4 stretch goal but they gave no indication on how much money to get o the stretch goal.
If Precursor Games couldn't make ONE episode for less than $1.5 million, what makes ANYONE think that they can make the entire next-generation game with $750,000? Oh, but of course they have "private backing" from an unnamed external company this time. Of course they do. This project has "scam" written all over it even more than it did before.
Always the optimist Broodwars.
Always. But by all means, go ahead and throw your money at a company made up of people that the folks at Double Fine would mock for being constantly over-time and over-budget.
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Post by: Adrock on July 25, 2013, 11:39:05 PM
I looked at their new Kickstarter earlier. It looks like the project is now the modern day stuff with the detective (now played by the former Solid Snake, David Hayter) with the Klara/Elizabeth Bathory story interspersed throughout. Theodric is still in the website and new trailer, but I'm not sure how he fits in, maybe his story is the tutorial or another flashback. To say Precursor Games is "ditching the episodic nature" is a bit of a stretch. This sounds like the first episode of the original crowdfunding campaign and the game will probably end with a cliffhanger to what they hope is the rest of the game/more episodes.
A few things (assuming it gets funded):
1. There's no f-ing way this thing is going to be eight to ten hours long. I beat Eternal Darkness far sooner than Silicon Knight's estimate (I believe they said 20+, don't quote me on that) and I got everything (e.g. all paths, Enchanted Gladius, Mantarok rune) in less than 15. 2. $20 wouldn't be bad if this was an entire game (like Trine 2 which I paid $20 for), but it's probably still meant to be 1/12 of one or 1/6 at best (on the website, half the characters were cut, notably the Pious Augustus and Alex Roivas looking silhouettes) and the original Kickstarter had a tier that offered all episodes for like $50. Hmm... 3. I don't think it's too difficult to see how they cut the budget in half. $750,000 is probably closer to what it should have cost to release the first episode, but Precursor Games wanted a leg up on the next episode.
I'm still not interested in contributing to the game, but like I said before, I'll buy it if it comes out.
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Post by: azeke on July 26, 2013, 12:41:14 AM
Activision confirmed COD Ghost Dog and five kid/family games for Wii U: Skylanders, Angry Birds x2, SpongeBob, and Wipeout (with course creation maybe?)
Activision is greedy. It's their worst trait and their best trait. They will never miss out on cheap port as bone to Nintendo platform.
They also have that little Nintendo-oriented ghetto among their many studios and partners: Treyarch (Infinity Ward doesn't want to touch dat N-****, so they always end-up porting their games to Nintendo consoles for them), Vicarious Visions, n-Space.
Speaking of n-Space, it's surprising they aren't doing 3DS COD with it finally becoming the dominant platform worldwide. I guess next year is a given.
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Post by: Shaymin on July 26, 2013, 12:49:06 AM
Two questions:
1) Why does Treyarch going on CoD: Dog Solutions actually make me want to at least try it this year?
2) Is there a Kickstarter I can donate to that will extricate David Hayter from the impending trainwreck?
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Post by: ShyGuy on July 26, 2013, 01:33:19 AM
Treyarch knows their stuff. If only the COD single player was more than check point tunnels...
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Post by: broodwars on July 26, 2013, 01:44:52 AM
Treyarch knows their stuff. If only the COD single player was more than check point tunnels...
To be fair, Treyarch has shown the ambition to change-up the formula over their last few entries, especially in Black Ops 2. Sometimes those attempts have really worked (the branching narrative in Black Ops 2)...and sometimes they've really sucked (the wannabe-RTS missions in Black Ops 2, where nothing works correctly), but at least they're trying to experiment with the series.
Hopefully, Infinity Ward has been taking notes from Treyarch over the past few years while making All Dogs Called To Duty, because EPIC FISH TECHNOLOGY aside I haven't seen anything so far that entices me to play it.
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Post by: Ceric on July 26, 2013, 09:39:22 AM
Ironically enough the only reason I'm considering picking up Lassie Duty is that its on WiiU and its about time for me to reaffirm my hate of the Twin Stick FPS controls.
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Post by: azeke on July 26, 2013, 10:07:39 AM
Ironically enough the only reason I'm considering picking up Lassie Duty is that its on WiiU and its about time for me to reaffirm my hate of the Twin Stick FPS controls.
Hopefully Treyarch will add pointer controls to it, like they did with BO2 or any other COD game on Wii really.
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Post by: Soren on July 26, 2013, 10:09:48 AM
Ironically enough the only reason I'm considering picking up Lassie Duty is that its on WiiU and its about time for me to reaffirm my hate of the Twin Stick FPS controls.
Maybe you can play Airbud:Call of Duty Edition with Wiimote controls. I never got used to them on Wii but it might be worth a shot if they still support it.
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Post by: pokepal148 on July 26, 2013, 11:10:14 AM
I know this discussion is sorta dead but if Nintendo bought out atlus they could possibly develop some over the top M rated game and publish it under atlus's name and thus protect their family friendly name
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Post by: Luigi Dude on July 26, 2013, 01:45:04 PM
I know this discussion is sorta dead but if Nintendo bought out atlus they could possibly develop some over the top M rated game and publish it under atlus's name and thus protect their family friendly name
Wouldn't really matter since they've published M rated games before under their Nintendo name.
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Post by: Ceric on July 26, 2013, 01:52:11 PM
Ironically enough the only reason I'm considering picking up Lassie Duty is that its on WiiU and its about time for me to reaffirm my hate of the Twin Stick FPS controls.
Maybe you can play Airbud:Call of Duty Edition with Wiimote controls. I never got used to them on Wii but it might be worth a shot if they still support it.
I would probably prefer those controls if its use the Nunchuk and is available in Call of Spuds MacKenzie's Ghost.
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Post by: pokepal148 on July 26, 2013, 05:32:28 PM
i have no reason to be interested in call of dog doody :D or call of duty: gone to the dogs or call of duty: starring the one jaw dropped during the xbone reveal
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Post by: ShyGuy on July 27, 2013, 02:09:35 AM
Y'know, Activision has been decent with supporting the Wii U so far. The only Activision console games that the Wii U has missed out on so far are DeadPool and that Ninja Turtle game.
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Post by: Ceric on July 27, 2013, 12:35:01 PM
Deadpool barely made it to the platforms its on by my understanding.
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Post by: azeke on July 31, 2013, 02:14:05 PM
Apparently new Batman game on Wii U will be missing multiplayer.
I don't give a crap about tacked multiplayer modes, but i refuse to be taken for a shmuck. WB just moved their game from day one to "might grab (used) GOTY edition sometime in next two years".
Fist Injustice with obnoxious DLCs, now this.
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Post by: Phil on July 31, 2013, 02:26:23 PM
Apparently new Batman game on Wii U will be missing multiplayer.
I don't give a crap about tacked multiplayer modes, but i refuse to be taken for a shmuck. WB just moved their game from day one to "might grab (used) GOTY edition sometime in next two years".
Fist Injustice with obnoxious DLCs, now this.
That's a sign of a third-party who is done with the Wii U after this year, and I don't blame them. Sure, this move is a self-fulfilling prophecy that means if Wii U owners don't get the gimped version, they won't get anymore games, but if they do get the gimped version, that means that they don't mind gimped products.
Ah, it's so nice being a Wii U owner. Never again, Nintendo.
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Post by: azeke on July 31, 2013, 03:32:09 PM
Two Tribes might bring collection of three of their old games (Rush, Edge and Toki Tori 2) for 2 euro. Really loved TT2 and while i remember hearing first game isn't as good, at this price, i will bite.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on July 31, 2013, 11:25:50 PM
What's with all the "Call of Duty: Doggie Edition" jokes? It's just one dog, the whole game isn't about dogfighting.
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Post by: broodwars on August 01, 2013, 01:41:36 AM
What's with all the "Call of Duty: Doggie Edition" jokes? It's just one dog, the whole game isn't about dogfighting.
The dog is the only remotely memorable thing Activision has shown from the game (well, that and "next-generation fish physics"), and "Call of Duty: Ghosts" is a pretty damn bland name.
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Post by: Kytim89 on August 01, 2013, 02:16:57 AM
I have always been a Call of Duty fan, and I certainly intend to buy the latest game this year, but from watching game play videos it is obvious that Battlefield 4 might trump CoD from its throne this year. However, since EA is too good to port Battlefield 4 to the Wii U then I will stick with Call of Duty. Although it would not hurt for Activision to evolve the Call of Duty series rather than recycle the game every year.
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Post by: shingi_70 on August 02, 2013, 08:02:41 PM
If I get a next gen console i'm probably going Killzone this year. If not thanthe Batman Mutliplayer should do it for me. (I hope there's bots)
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on August 03, 2013, 09:27:28 PM
So apparently this is a rumor (http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2422664,00.asp). Nintendo thinking about giving away the entire Nintendo library through Wii? I doubt it...but it would be pretty awesome.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on August 03, 2013, 09:35:20 PM
The article does not say Nintendo is thinking about doing something that dumb (investors would be pissed). The author says he wonders if Nintendo executives think about doing something like this. And his main reason for thinking it is Nintendo allowing 2 terabyte HDD's on Wii U.
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Post by: nickmitch on August 03, 2013, 10:27:48 PM
The line under the title says that it's a rumor. I read the article as the author commenting on the rumor, but he could've been more explicit in stating the rumor. He more so alludes to its existence.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 03, 2013, 11:20:07 PM
I don't think they need to go Nuclear, even if that would garner the much needed attention and get probably quite a few people to bite the bullet and buy in on the Wii U. I think they should just advertise the Virtual Console games at a much more reasonable pricing and do whatever it takes to get some games released NOW, in the near future and steadily throughout the rest of the consoles life span.
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Post by: Shaymin on August 04, 2013, 12:26:28 AM
Given the source is John C friggin Dvorak, a man who made a longtime living trolling fans of niche companies (*coughapplecough*), I should mention that is a "Here's what they should do" as opposed to a "Here's what will happen" piece.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on August 04, 2013, 12:43:28 AM
I never said Nintendo is thinking about doing it, hence the "apparently this is a rumor" part, and the part where the author refers to it as a rumor.
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Post by: Kytim89 on August 04, 2013, 12:47:40 AM
I don't think they need to go Nuclear, even if that would garner the much needed attention and get probably quite a few people to bite the bullet and buy in on the Wii U. I think they should just advertise the Virtual Console games at a much more reasonable pricing and do whatever it takes to get some games released NOW, in the near future and steadily throughout the rest of the consoles life span.
For this to work Nintendo needs to place blank checks into certain strategic developer's pockets.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 04, 2013, 01:21:54 AM
I don't think they need to go Nuclear, even if that would garner the much needed attention and get probably quite a few people to bite the bullet and buy in on the Wii U. I think they should just advertise the Virtual Console games at a much more reasonable pricing and do whatever it takes to get some games released NOW, in the near future and steadily throughout the rest of the consoles life span.
For this to work Nintendo needs to place blank checks into certain strategic developer's pockets.
There is more than one way to skin a cat. I'm not suggesting we tell Nintendo how to do it, but we will more than gladly hand them a selection of knives to do it with. just make it happen.
They can co-develop. they can drop the licensing fees. they can buy 3rd parties they can create new 1st/2nd parties they can money-hat they can loan out IP's they can do the port themselves they can sell their first unborn child
It doesn't really matter, just get us some games to play, and then the systems will start to sell.
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Post by: Kytim89 on August 04, 2013, 01:47:56 AM
I don't think they need to go Nuclear, even if that would garner the much needed attention and get probably quite a few people to bite the bullet and buy in on the Wii U. I think they should just advertise the Virtual Console games at a much more reasonable pricing and do whatever it takes to get some games released NOW, in the near future and steadily throughout the rest of the consoles life span.
For this to work Nintendo needs to place blank checks into certain strategic developer's pockets.
There is more than one way to skin a cat. I'm not suggesting we tell Nintendo how to do it, but we will more than gladly hand them a selection of knives to do it with. just make it happen.
They can co-develop. they can drop the licensing fees. they can buy 3rd parties they can create new 1st/2nd parties they can money-hat they can loan out IP's they can do the port themselves they can sell their first unborn child
It doesn't really matter, just get us some games to play, and then the systems will start to sell.
Nintendo should loan all of its b-list game IPs to its western partners. Secondly, Nintendo needs to port over games like Final Fantasy XV and Kingdom Hearts 3 themselves. They need to money hat certain strategic developers, but not the entire industry. Third, offer support to struggling developers to make their games Nintendo exclusive. Overall Nintendo can win this generation, but they need to spend a little from their war chest to obtain victory.
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Post by: Oblivion on August 04, 2013, 01:53:58 AM
[size=78%] Nintendo needs to port over games like Final Fantasy XV and Kingdom Hearts 3 themselves. [/size]
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Post by: MagicCow64 on August 04, 2013, 01:56:37 AM
I thought they should have announced the catalogue feature at E3. Could have made a major splash. Regardless, they'll never do it, and I'd be surprised if they even entertained the idea seriously. I suspect the 2TB capability is just to cover for the puny internal storage/sell expensive branded harddrives.
If, however, they get desperate enough to pull the trigger, I wonder what they could do to mollify early adopters who dropped cash on VC games. Can't really pull an ambassador in this scenario. I also wonder how this would affect the eShop. I don't imagine developers are going to be psyched about competing with hundreds of free, high-quality games. Even less so for non-Nintendo published VC games. Pay $8 for Kid Kameleon or play Mario Sunshine for free?
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Post by: Kytim89 on August 04, 2013, 02:00:18 AM
[size=78%] Nintendo needs to port over games like Final Fantasy XV and Kingdom Hearts 3 themselves. [/size]
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The way it would work is that Nintendo would approach Square and offer them a certain amount of money to have those games on the Wii U. Since Square would most likely not want to spend their own resources porting the games to the Wii U then Nintendo would take their developers that normally make casual party games and have them copy and paste the code ad work out whatever kinks that might arise before release. Square would still get a monetary cut from the sales of the game.
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Post by: Oblivion on August 04, 2013, 02:11:27 AM
Nomura has already said that FFXV isn't possible on the 360 or the PS3. That, by extension, rules out the Wii U.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 04, 2013, 03:38:50 AM
Nomura has already said that FFXV isn't possible on the 360 or the PS3. That, by extension, rules out the Wii U.
But... But.. But the Wii U is...
aww **** it, who are we kidding.... it's not gonna make a difference.
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Post by: Kytim89 on August 04, 2013, 03:55:51 AM
They can keep their games then.
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Post by: azeke on August 05, 2013, 12:46:29 AM
It seems that major third parties have found a way how to target six available HD gaming platforms (xbox/xbone/ps3/ps4/pc/wiiu) and not die in the process.
They're gonna remove features from Wii U version.
Well, then, **** you too guys.
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Post by: Ceric on August 05, 2013, 12:46:25 PM
As far as Kingdom Hearts go, Nintendo should go to Square and pretty much put their own developers on it and make a set of enhanced versions of all the games that can only be played on the Wii U. Sell the Retail set as Collections and the Digital Piecemeal or Collection.
That way a Kingdom Heart fan, which their are many, can enjoy the whole series from start to finish on 1 system. Then get KH3 somehow. That would sell some Wii U's. I still say the best strategy Nintendo could have is to make Wii U THE Niche machine.
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Post by: Oblivion on August 05, 2013, 01:37:18 PM
Ceric, that won't happen. The Osaka team is in charge of KH3, under the supervision and guidance of the original KH Tokyo team. I doubt Nomura is just going to let Nintendo developers in when they never did that for the other four Nintendo KH games.
Considering they said that FFXV's engine couldn't work to well with the PS3 and 360, I doubt KH3 would work well with the Wii U either. EDIT: Because KH3 is running on the same engine as FFXV.
Sorry guys. :\
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Post by: nickmitch on August 05, 2013, 02:17:30 PM
But what if they just believed.
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Post by: Oblivion on August 05, 2013, 02:34:10 PM
If they did that, they'd bitch (like they do at every other developer) at Square Enix for not supporting the Wii U when it isn't even their fault this time.
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Post by: Ceric on August 05, 2013, 02:45:36 PM
Its amazing how companies change their mind when Labor costs are suddenly a lot less.
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Post by: Oblivion on August 05, 2013, 02:50:35 PM
I already told you: it simply can't happen. Even if Nintendo threw every fucking developer they have towards Square Enix to make a port of either game, it couldn't happen without some HUGE cutbacks, too huge for them to release it with confidence. That's the whole reason FFXV became a PS4/Xone title and not a current gen system. It will not happen.
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Post by: shingi_70 on August 05, 2013, 03:01:49 PM
How about instead of trying to pay Third party developers to help build games Nintendo does something radical and unexpected. You know in addition to funding games from second party developers they actually use some of that Warchest to expand they're current studios as well as building new studios in other regions as well. Deciding to skip out on stuff like THQ sale seemed very stupid in my book.
Sony upped thier studio count last gen and puts out enough titles between its three systems to not need third party. (plus the third party exclusives from Japanese devs)
Microsoft also has been recently doing the same starting in 2011 and its looking to payoff.
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Post by: pokepal148 on August 05, 2013, 03:21:48 PM
Secondly, Nintendo needs to port over games like Final Fantasy XV and Kingdom Hearts 3 themselves.
If they going to do something along those lines, I think it'd be better to moneyhat exclusives that SE doesn't want to spend resources on themselves. Nintendo works with multiple studios composed of key former Square and Enix staff (Mistwalker, Alphadream, Grezzo, Genius Sonority, Spike Chunsoft) and even owns a couple more (Monolith Soft, 1-up Studio), imagine if they put all that manpower to work on stuff like Romancing SaGa 4 or Chrono Trigger II or a new FF Tactics or a new Mana game or ...
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Post by: Oblivion on August 27, 2013, 06:10:43 PM
We already went through this. Even if Iwata himself sucked Nomura's dick for the rest of his life, it simply CAN'T happen.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 28, 2013, 07:45:50 AM
I seriously doubt they couldn't do it if they really wanted to. If the money were there, it would happen.
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Post by: Oblivion on August 28, 2013, 12:23:30 PM
Ceric, that won't happen. The Osaka team is in charge of KH3, under the supervision and guidance of the original KH Tokyo team. I doubt Nomura is just going to let Nintendo developers in when they never did that for the other four Nintendo KH games.
Considering they said that FFXV's engine couldn't work to well with the PS3 and 360, I doubt KH3 would work well with the Wii U either. EDIT: Because KH3 is running on the same engine as FFXV.
I already told you: it simply can't happen. Even if Nintendo threw every fucking developer they have towards Square Enix to make a port of either game, it couldn't happen without some HUGE cutbacks, too huge for them to release it with confidence. That's the whole reason FFXV became a PS4/Xone title and not a current gen system. It will not happen.
I know you saw what I had posted earlier. Even if you don't think I know what I'm saying, simply throwing money at them won't matter because it can't happen. If it would have, they would've released XV and KH3 on the PS3 and the 360 alongside the next-gen systems because obviously that would make them more money. And since they didn't... guess what? If it's impossible for a PS3 and 360 to run it, it's the same for the Wii U. Simple as that.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on August 28, 2013, 12:35:13 PM
MSRP of Deluxe cut to $299. Wind Waker HD bundle for the same price. I think it's time for Nintendo to do another ambassador program and give everyone who paid $350 Wind Waker HD for free.
Ceric, that won't happen. The Osaka team is in charge of KH3, under the supervision and guidance of the original KH Tokyo team. I doubt Nomura is just going to let Nintendo developers in when they never did that for the other four Nintendo KH games.
Considering they said that FFXV's engine couldn't work to well with the PS3 and 360, I doubt KH3 would work well with the Wii U either. EDIT: Because KH3 is running on the same engine as FFXV.
I already told you: it simply can't happen. Even if Nintendo threw every fucking developer they have towards Square Enix to make a port of either game, it couldn't happen without some HUGE cutbacks, too huge for them to release it with confidence. That's the whole reason FFXV became a PS4/Xone title and not a current gen system. It will not happen.
I know you saw what I had posted earlier. Even if you don't think I know what I'm saying, simply throwing money at them won't matter because it can't happen. If it would have, they would've released XV and KH3 on the PS3 and the 360 alongside the next-gen systems because obviously that would make them more money. And since they didn't... guess what? If it's impossible for a PS3 and 360 to run it, it's the same for the Wii U. Simple as that.
There are a lot of assumptions in this post.
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Post by: Oblivion on August 28, 2013, 03:25:35 PM
Like? Nomura said himself that they moved development of XV and KH3 because they were impossible on current-gen systems.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 28, 2013, 03:36:36 PM
And you're taking him completely at his word on that. Developers say a lot of things when it comes to their games, and are many times full of ****. Now, he might not be on this occasion, but isn't it just as likely that the reason these games aren't coming to PS3/360 is that those consoles will be long dead by the time they actually finish these inevitably bloated and delayed games? It wouldn't make sense to release a big budget game on PS3 in 2016.
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Post by: Adrock on August 28, 2013, 03:45:12 PM
I don't think either game has a chance of getting ported to Wii U, but it's naive to think they aren't possible. If Square Enix wanted to (and likely also got a paid lots), they could make it happen.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 28, 2013, 03:54:34 PM
That's really what I'm saying. I don't see it actually happening, but I'm sure they could do it if they wanted to. Dead Rising was ported to the Wii, for ****'s sake; if you really put your mind to it, you can port just about any game to just about any platform.
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Post by: Oblivion on August 28, 2013, 04:04:24 PM
Just because they can doesn't mean it should be. Meaning, it can but the quality may not be what Nomura's what like it to be.
And like I said which you seemed to completely ignore, if they really wanted to they could release it on both platforms. They aren't. Why is that? Because it isn't fucking possible.
Plus, why not a PS3 release in 2015/16? They released new PS2 games just last year. Come on, dude.
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Post by: Oblivion on August 28, 2013, 04:07:35 PM
Hell, dude, your favorite video game series is getting a release on the PS2 this September.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 28, 2013, 04:24:54 PM
There's a clear difference between the kind of PS2 games that have come out in recent years and the kind of games we're talking about here.
I didn't ignore what you said, I just don't accept your premise that the only possible reason for it not coming to PS3 is that it would be impossible to bring it there. They could be perfectly capable of making the games for those platforms and choose not to for other reasons.
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Post by: Adrock on August 28, 2013, 04:38:48 PM
I'm not really convinced that JRPGs (especially from modem Square Enix) will advance enough that the gameplay isn't possible on Wii U. I've seen the latest FFXV clips. The visuals are nice, but gameplay-wise, what about it is so next-gen?
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Post by: Mannypon on September 03, 2013, 12:15:50 AM
I cannot imagine in my wildest dreams that whatever SE is developing for their new KH, that its impossible on the WiiU. Hell, I just saw video of Dragon Age Inquisition that looks amazing and truly next gen, something I didn't think I would see possible on the PS3/360 and yet its somehow slated to be in development for both alongside the other next gen systems. I'm going to go on a limb here and saying there is no way the new KH will be more technically advanced as what EA is putting behind the new Dragon Age. So, with that logic, if the new Dragon Age can be done on current gen systems. then KH, can be done on the WiiU. It'll more than likely have to be downscaled but no where near as bad, IMO, to what was needed in bringing Dead Rising to Wii.
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Post by: Soren on September 04, 2013, 06:19:50 PM
WayForward's new Kickstarter is indeed for a new console Shantae game.
I find it a bummer that GTA V is not coming to the Wii U. :'(
I find it a bummer that Nintendo didn't do much in order to bring GTAV to WiiU :-\
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Post by: Adrock on September 04, 2013, 09:41:49 PM
Maybe they did and Rockstar was asking too much.
When I decide to roll off my couch, I will pledge at least $15 to Shantae: Half-Genie Hero. The soundtrack is enticing for that theme song so I may bump it up to $25.
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Post by: Adrock on September 04, 2013, 10:44:29 PM
I officially backed Shantae: Half-Genie Hero. I'll probably buy Shantae and The Pirate's Curse when that comes out on 3DS. Honestly, that one actually sounds more interesting since it seems like WayForward Technologies is changing up the gameplay a bit more from Risky's Revenge (and I presume the original). Half-Genie Hero looks and sounds like straight-up Shantae HD which isn't bad, but the evolving gameplay of The Pirate's Curse is more enticing. I suppose I'll find out if Half-Genie Hero does more with the series next year.
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Post by: Mop it up on September 23, 2013, 05:23:22 PM
In a bizarre turn of events, I won $600 from one hand of Let It Ride at the local casino, and so I decided to use some of the money to purchase a Wii U. I opted for the Zelda edition for a couple of reasons. Since I'm not waiting for some sort of deal, I figured it was better to choose the limited edition that might be hard to find this holiday, and may hold its value better than the regular Deluxe, and also because Wind Waker HD will probably never be as cheap as Nintendo Land is now. I also bought Nintendo Land since, as I said, it's cheap!
Adding what I already had, I have 5 games to start off my Wii U adventure:
Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate New Super Mario Brothers U Nintendo Land Tank! Tank! Tank! The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker HD
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Post by: alegoicoe on September 23, 2013, 09:24:47 PM
In a bizarre turn of events, I won $600 from one hand of Let It Ride at the local casino, and so I decided to use some of the money to purchase a Wii U. I opted for the Zelda edition for a couple of reasons. Since I'm not waiting for some sort of deal, I figured it was better to choose the limited edition that might be hard to find this holiday, and may hold its value better than the regular Deluxe, and also because Wind Waker HD will probably never be as cheap as Nintendo Land is now. I also bought Nintendo Land since, as I said, it's cheap!
Adding what I already had, I have 5 games to start off my Wii U adventure:
Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate New Super Mario Brothers U Nintendo Land Tank! Tank! Tank! The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker HD
I am happy for you that didn't have to put up with the initial drought and can now enjoy the Wii U at its fullest. The only thing missing from that list is The Wonderful 101, a must have.
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Post by: Adrock on September 23, 2013, 10:57:32 PM
Did you buy Tank! Tank! Tank! at retail? I tried the free to play download from the eshop and nope'd that off my Wii U almost immediately.
Also, there's a really great Buy Two Get One Free sale on Wii U games going at Target this week if you want to spend more money on videogames. Glad you finally joined the club of cool people with Wii U, all 37 of us.
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Post by: Mop it up on September 23, 2013, 11:24:04 PM
I bought Tank! Tank! Tank! before I had a Wii U. I think it was like $5 or something, I got it with some other cheap stuff so don't remember exactly. It may have even been before the download version existed. It reminds me of Battletanx which some people hated but I thought was a good mindless fun game, and so I think I'll get $5 worth of enjoyment out of it.
I queued up the Wonderful 101 demo for download so I'll try it out when I feel like it. I haven't looked into it much but I'm not so sure it's the game for me. I had heard of the Target sale, but I'm not sure there's anything else right now I want to pay that much for. If this happened when Super Mario 3D World and Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze were out then it might be a different story, though Mario Kart 8 is the game I'm really waiting for.
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Post by: Adrock on September 23, 2013, 11:40:30 PM
If you can find one game you like, it might be worth picking up and you can exchange the others within 90 days. That's basically what I'm doing. Then again, Target or Toys R Us may have another such sale before the end of the year so it's about the same thing if you wait. They tend to have these sales fairly often.
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Post by: Mop it up on September 24, 2013, 05:38:21 PM
Well, looks like my luck has run out. The AC adapter for the GamePad is apparently faulty and now it doesn't work. Fortunately, Best Buy is allowing me to exchange just the adapter instead of having to take back the whole system, however, they are out of stock, so I'll have to go back tomorrow which is when they said the next shipment was due in.
Then again, it wasn't all bad. I heard from CAG that Best Buy had the white Pro controllers on clearance, and they indeed did, so I bought two.
If you can find one game you like, it might be worth picking up and you can exchange the others within 90 days. That's basically what I'm doing.
I'm weary of this because it seems to be YMMV. Some people claim their store let them do it but others claim they wouldn't do it. Not that I would pick any games I didn't want in any capacity to use for an exchange, but I think I'll wait and see what sales the holidays bring.
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Post by: Adrock on September 24, 2013, 06:30:24 PM
That sucks about the GamePad AC adapter especially since the battery isn't great and the console is so intimately tied to the GamePad (I don't think you can even use the eshop without it). Nintendo also doesn't sell those in stores, not that you'd want to spend $25 for something that was faulty. I've had to be extra careful with my GamePad AC adapter because... cats.
The only issue I had exchanging games was a few months ago when I went to exchange a $40 game with a $35 game at Toys R Us. It's a longer and more complicated story than I feel like rewriting, but you can read about it here if you'd like (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=36196.msg794685#msg794685). The short version is that I ended up saving $8 additional because they had to honor my receipt and they made the mistake originally. There wouldn't have been an issue had they exchanged the game correctly the first time.
In any case, I did ask the Target clerk about this on Sunday just to be sure and he said he's done this before (I didn't tell him my whole master plan, I merely asked "in case I wanted to exchange"). As long as the games are unopened, I have the receipt, and it's within the exchange period, they have to honor it. I can definitely see why you would be weary of doing this. The whole endeavor is mildly complicated, but I like free things. I really wouldn't be surprised to see this sale or one like it again in November.
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Post by: ShyGuy on September 24, 2013, 06:54:18 PM
The gamepad charger plug is a mini-usb cable, so it can be charged off of some camera or phone USB cables.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on September 24, 2013, 07:10:47 PM
The Pro Controller uses mini USB, but the GamePad is a proprietary plug.
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Post by: pokepal148 on September 24, 2013, 08:03:57 PM
don't you mean micro usb?
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on September 24, 2013, 08:08:04 PM
No, I don't. Mini USB and Micro USB are two different things, and the Wii U Pro Controller uses the former.
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Post by: Adrock on September 24, 2013, 08:56:15 PM
Don't feel bad, pokepal. I thought it was micro-USB too then I actually looked at it after reading insano's post. Learn something new everyday. (http://i.imgur.com/X3y5L4e.gif)
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Post by: Mop it up on September 24, 2013, 09:28:09 PM
Yeah, when I opened the Pro controllers I checked to see if that charger would work. No dice.
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Post by: Oblivion on September 24, 2013, 09:34:52 PM
Adrock, you are wrong. They DON'T have to honor it. Every single return is up to the discretion of the store manager, no matter what the receipt policy is. If they had to follow that policy like it was the law, we'd have even more people like you abusing our system.
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Post by: Adrock on September 24, 2013, 10:49:29 PM
Adrock, you are wrong. They DON'T have to honor it. Every single return is up to the discretion of the store manager, no matter what the receipt policy is. If they had to follow that policy like it was the law, we'd have even more people like you abusing our system.
Whatever you say, chief. I'm just relaying what the Target employee told me and it's never been an issue before. Not sure what you're so mad about, but this is par for the course with you so I will say, "Good day to you, sir."
As for abusing the system... (http://i.imgur.com/yvIqSNg.gif)
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Post by: Oblivion on September 25, 2013, 02:15:34 AM
I'm just correcting your wrong assumption that they "have" to accept your return. Just be warned that it is definitely not a guarantee.
I'm definitely not angry, especially not after seeing that GIF.
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Post by: Adrock on September 25, 2013, 07:25:03 AM
This post is brought to you by the letter T for TJ.
More importantly, it wasn't an assumption. It was what the dude at Target told me. He said they have to honor my receipt if the game is unopened, I have the receipt, and I'm within the exchange period. Maybe he was talking out of his ass, but that's not really what this is about. In any case, I don't see why they would have a policy if they aren't going to honor it and like I said, I've done this before. It may be morally questionable depending on who you ask, but really, I'm not doing anything illegal. I'm not trying to get away with murder; I'm trying to get a different free game that is of lesser monetary value no less. I'm exploiting a system that Target allows to be exploited and you know, I feel just awful about it.
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Post by: Oblivion on September 25, 2013, 09:27:44 AM
Nice job, little man, you called me TJ. How cute. <3
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Post by: ShyGuy on October 30, 2013, 04:29:24 PM
So many people have wondered why there has been no N64 games on the Wii U VC. This rumor may give an answer:
Nintendo is preparing a “reUmagined” series of games for Wii U, beginning with classic titles that the company published during the Nintendo 64 days.
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Post by: Adrock on October 30, 2013, 04:36:08 PM
I'd buy reUmagined (ugh) Super Smash Bros. and Paper Mario. I don't know if I can justify buying Super Mario 64 again when I have it on DS and I'm still only like 12 stars into Super Mario Galaxy 2.
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Post by: ShyGuy on October 30, 2013, 04:47:13 PM
So the speculated titles, in additon to Mario 64, are:
- Pilot Wings 64 - Wave Race 64 - Star Fox 64 - Excitebike 64 - Pokemon Snap - 1080 Snowboarding
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Post by: Fatty The Hutt on October 30, 2013, 05:27:58 PM
Excitebike 64 could be Pilotwings 64 and I hope that it is (if this rumour is true at all)
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Post by: Spak-Spang on October 30, 2013, 06:14:59 PM
Some of these games would be great. Until you realize that they could just make a new game because the assets they will need to make the game is basically the same as making a new game.
Unless they believe they can't top the level design of the original game.
To me the games that will work for this are anything BUT the racing games. If you are going to make tracks that are HD and highly detailed tracks, you are basically making a new track for a new game. You could easily just throw the best tracks from the original game (or all of them) in a new game with new tracks and call it Excite Bike U.
Charge full price for the game….and have another exclusive for your library.
Actually the more I think about it. It would just be better to make brand new games that try to recreate the feel of the original games, and as a bonus give the original games best levels or concepts as bonus material…or even additional DLC for added purchase.
All of those games listed just happen to be fan favorite classics that haven't had a proper sequel in a long time…and people are asking for proper sequels.
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Post by: Adrock on October 30, 2013, 06:28:12 PM
I'd imagine that Nintendo would contract these remakes to smaller third party teams who wouldn't require nearly as much handholding since they'd most likely have the original source code and materials to work from. They would only really need help when it comes to integrating Wii U specific content like Miiverse and using the GamePad. Ultimately, this frees up Nintendo's own teams to work on brand new stuff. If this rumor is true, I wouldn't be surprised if one of those teams was Grezzo (Ocarina of Time 3D).
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Post by: ShyGuy on October 30, 2013, 07:49:43 PM
From the article:
The short development time allows these “big classic” titles to fill the gap in between Nintendo’s original Wii U software. - Less to fund and fewer people involved means more resources to original titles in development. - eShop only for $30 per title, reduces risk at retail. - Wind Waker approach taken in terms of visual upgrades, but “reUmagined” titles will benefit from added content.
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Post by: ymeegod on October 30, 2013, 10:04:24 PM
Since so many people abused the buy 2 get 1 free game in the past my target changed their policy now and instead of having one game zeroed out like they did before--each game is marked down 1/3 of price so when you try to exchange the game later on you can only exchange it for an game of equal value. Been that way for a few years now.
of course that varies by state/region but it's pretty much common now for most of the big retailers in my area (walmart/bestbuy/gamespot).
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Post by: azeke on October 30, 2013, 10:30:24 PM
I've already played OOT and Starfox on 3DS, Mario 64 on DS, Majora on Wii U VC.
What else is there? I'm guessing no Rare games...
I miiight get F-Zero X, was going to get it on VC eventually.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: nickmitch on November 01, 2013, 09:21:21 PM
That list isn't too promising.
I'd play Wave Race though. Especially if it had online.
Online improves a lot of those games.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: the asylum on November 02, 2013, 03:39:28 PM
So Nintendo's solution to being completely unprepared to deal with HD development (in the year of our lord 2013!) and almost zero third part support (outside of the usual shovelware) to fill in the gaping holes of their release schedule is re-re-rereleasing 15 year old games
I hope this really is just a rumor.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 02, 2013, 04:17:26 PM
Sounds like a Nintendo plan to me.
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Post by: Mop it up on November 02, 2013, 07:36:24 PM
I think most GameCube games could look nice in HD without much effort, but Nintendo 64 titles? That would take way too much work. Even as a fan of the N64, I'd much rather any money/studio spent on that be used to make new games.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: nickmitch on November 02, 2013, 11:33:16 PM
I'd rather Nintendo spend money on new studios. Let them figure things out with DLC levels of Mario or something and then have at it.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: shingi_70 on November 03, 2013, 01:05:31 AM
Nintendo never eeally recovered from losing Rare to Microsoft and never took the proper steps to build replacement studios. It seems around the time that Rare jumped in Nintendo took it as an opprtunity to drop all western support that wasnt Rare or a Mario and Donkey Kong game.[size=78%] [/size]
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 03, 2013, 01:20:41 AM
But they didn't "lose" Rare to MS, they gladly sold them off for a profit.
MS is still trying to make the best of that investment, to the point where even though Rare was hardly the Rare we knew and loved when Nintendo sold their shares to MS, but now Rare isn't even the Rare they were then anymore. They've moved so far from who they used to be that they are only Rare in name, much like Atari.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: tendoboy1984 on November 03, 2013, 11:15:48 AM
Retro Studios is a much more capable studio than Rare, in my opinion. Nintendo also has the quirky folks at Intelligent Systems, who have proven their worth on more than one occasion,
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: ShyGuy on November 03, 2013, 01:02:51 PM
The problem is Retro is nowhere as prolific as Rare. From 2000-2013, they have released seven games and assisted with two. And two of the seven were enhanced ports. Five games in 13 years is less than Nintendo needs.
Nintendo should either increase the size of the studio or add another western studio to fill in the gap.
edit: Tropical Freeze isn't out yet, so I guess that doesn't count.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: pokepal148 on November 03, 2013, 02:24:05 PM
I have to find... here we are, http://www.gamerevolution.com/news/platinum-games-interested-in-becoming-secondparty-nintendo-studio-21261 (http://www.gamerevolution.com/news/platinum-games-interested-in-becoming-secondparty-nintendo-studio-21261)
Iwata, get to the negotiation tables now
Imo this is what nintendo needs to do, accept them in, and begin making deals to get stuff for smaller games like a wayforward developed 2d metroid or a shinen f-zero where they can get these less established franchises some time in the spotlight without having to spend their own resources on these less profitable ventures
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: shingi_70 on November 03, 2013, 03:13:10 PM
What Shyguy said was mostly what I was talking about. As much as we like to talk about Nintendo needing to diversify more and offer a broader range of games. The simple truth is that once upon of Time Rare handled that for Nintendo. Retro doesn't even come close as they don't seem to have the autonmy or man power that Nintendo once gave Rare of Old.
I'm still wondering what Nintendo was doing between 2009 and 2011 when they first announced the Wii U. That coupled without any good messaging about what the Wii U is a big mistep for nintendo.
I will say Nintendo's line up for 2014 actually has alot of promise to furfill the Wii U equal Gamecube redux. I'm just worried about the spacing between releases and if were going to see the major droughts that won't be on the PS4 at least.
But If were being honest Wii U will gave a pretty diverse line up taking ques from both the Gamecube and Wii.
Usual Nintendo Suspects New Super Mario Bros U Pikmin 3 The Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker HD Game and Wario Super Mario 3D World Pokemon Rumble U Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze
Wii Style Games Wii Fit U Wii Sports Club Sing Party Wii Party U
Third Party Exclusives ZombiU Lego City Undercover Sonic Lost World Mario and Sonic at the Sochi 2014 Winter Games
Core Oriented Games Nintendoland The Wonderful 101 Bayonetta 2 X Shin Megami Tensi X Fire Emblem
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 03, 2013, 03:18:16 PM
I have to find... here we are, http://www.gamerevolution.com/news/platinum-games-interested-in-becoming-secondparty-nintendo-studio-21261 (http://www.gamerevolution.com/news/platinum-games-interested-in-becoming-secondparty-nintendo-studio-21261)
Iwata, get to the negotiation tables now
Imo this is what nintendo needs to do, accept them in, and begin making deals to get stuff for smaller games like a wayforward developed 2d metroid or a shinen f-zero where they can get these less established franchises some time in the spotlight without having to spend their own resources on these less profitable ventures
If Nintendo hasn't worked some sort of backroom deal on that already, then I don't know what they are doing to secure more exclusive content for their content starved platform.
A new willing a second party from an established enthusiastic and creative developer is a good place to start. Even if they didn't make them official 2nd party, a 5 year 3 game or first refusal contract would be a good alternative. Don't use Wonderful 101 as a test. Throw them the Starfox franchise they asked for (Nintendo probably isn't doing anything worthwhile with it at the moment anyway...), assuming they haven't already, and see what they are capable of doing with an established Nintendo IP inbetween work on their own IP's.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 03, 2013, 03:20:25 PM
What Shyguy said was mostly what I was talking about. As much as we like to talk about Nintendo needing to diversify more and offer a broader range of games. The simple truth is that once upon of Time Rare handled that for Nintendo. Retro doesn't even come close as they don't seem to have the autonmy or man power that Nintendo once gave Rare of Old.
I would love to see an output comparison timeline between the two studios during their time with Nintendo. Some put that together please.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: shingi_70 on November 03, 2013, 04:15:11 PM
Rare was with Nintendo for eight years. (1994-2001) within that time frame they released
Donkey Kong County- 94 Killer Instinct- 94 Donkey Kong Land- 94 Donkey kong country 2: Diddy King's Quest- 95 Killer Instinct Gameboy- 95 Ken Griffy, Jr's Homerun baseball - 98 Donkey Kong Land 2- 96 Donkey Kong Country 3- 96 Killer Instinct Gold- 96 Blast Corps- 97 007 Goldeneye- 97 Donkey Kong land 3=97 Diddy Kong Racing- 97 Banjo Kaozzie- 98 Conker's Pocket Adventure- 99 Jet Force Gemani- 99 Donkey Kong 64- 99 Mickey's Magical racing- 99 Perfect Dark- 00 Perfect Dark GB- 00 Donkey Kong Country GBC- 00 Mickey's Speedway USA- 00 Banjo-tooie- 00 Conker's Bad Fur Day- 01 Mickey's Speedway USA GB- 01 Starfox adventures-02 Donkey Kong Country GBA- 02
Retro has been with Nintendo for nine year (2000 to present) Metroid Prime- 2002 Metroid Prime 2 echoes- 2004 Metroid Prime 3: Corruption-2007 Donkey Kong Country Returns- 2010 Donkey Kong Country Tropical freeze- 2014
But to be fair Retro came in at a time of rising dev costs. With that said Rare has been with microsoft for seven years and have put out.
Grabbed by the Ghoulies- 03 Conker Live and reloaded- 05 Kameo- 05 Perfect Dark Zero- 05 Viva Pinata- 06 Jetpac refueled- 07 Viva Pinata: Trouble in Paradise- 08 Banjo and Kazooie: Nuts and Bolts- 08 Kinect Sports- 10 Kinect Sports: season 2- 11 Kinect Sports Rivals preseason- 13 Kinect Sports Rivals- 14
I tend to think Retro is vastly overrated and Rare has been unfairly **** upon due to gamers hate of Microsoft. I feel that Retro should be a two or three studio instead of working on one project at a time.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Spak-Spang on November 03, 2013, 05:07:23 PM
That is not the whole picture though. You have to ask yourself how big each studio is. If Rare has 3-4 development teams working for them…then those numbers are not that high.
Retro is a fairly small studio that I think only has one or two teams.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: the asylum on November 03, 2013, 07:16:32 PM
Why do people still talk about Rare as if they're the same company in 2013 that they were in 1994? The only thing that Rare has now thats in common with Rare of yesterday is pretty much just the name.
Any team of trained monkeys can crap out casual titles like Kinect Sports. That's not a real big achievement to parade around.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: shingi_70 on November 04, 2013, 12:48:58 AM
Why do people still talk about Rare as if they're the same company in 2013 that they were in 1994? The only thing that Rare has now thats in common with Rare of yesterday is pretty much just the name.
Any team of trained monkeys can crap out casual titles like Kinect Sports. That's not a real big achievement to parade around.
Too bad Kinect Sports is pretty awesome game in its genre. You guys talk about Rare like all they've put out are casuel or bad titles when in the past 10 years they've only put out 3 Kinect Games and out of their past output only one of the games was truly bad.
But than again people seem to be okay with all the Wii insert title here games for Wii U so there must be double standard of some sort.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: the asylum on November 04, 2013, 08:59:41 AM
Too bad as well that Ghoulies, PDZ, and Nuts n Bolts were all flops as well
Compare that to Retro, whose "worst" game was Metroid Prime 2.
Really lends perspective, doesn't it?
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: shingi_70 on November 04, 2013, 01:10:54 PM
Commercial flop doesn't mean a game is bad. Perfect Dark Zero is **** tier bpp, but nuts and bolts is a really good game. It just isn't the one that people wanted from Rare or the franchise.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Mop it up on November 04, 2013, 06:17:13 PM
I don't really get the Rare/Retro comparisons. The only thing they have in common is that they both made a Donkey Kong game... but other companies have done that also. Oh, and I guess their names start with R. But other than that, they're completely different companies.
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Post by: Ceric on November 04, 2013, 07:01:56 PM
I don't really get the Rare/Retro comparisons. The only thing they have in common is that they both made a Donkey Kong game... but other companies have done that also. Oh, and I guess their names start with R. But other than that, they're completely different companies.
Also an E and Two R's.
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Post by: Adrock on November 04, 2013, 08:47:11 PM
I think it's because Rare was Nintendo's major non-Japanese studio and Retro kind of filled those shoes. The major difference is that Retro Studios releases one new game every two to three years while Rare contributed more. Retro's games tend to receive wider acclaim so really it's quality vs quantity.
I never really got into Rare's titles. I liked Conker's Bad Fur Day a lot, but other than that, I only found them to be okay. They did help round out Nintendo's lineup. I think Retro's philosophy more closer matches Nintendo's which makes sense considering they're first party.
I think it would greatly benefit Nintendo to open new studios around the US. One in New York, one in California, then just officially make Monster Games and Next Level Games second or first party if (and only if) they're willing.
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Post by: Stratos on November 04, 2013, 09:09:22 PM
People are really touting the release rate of Rare? Nearly EVERY major title of theirs on the N64 and Gamecube was delayed at one point or another. I distinctly remember a news bit in Nintendo Power talking about how Banjo-Kazooie and Conker were delayed on Nintnedo's call by nearly a year due to "quality control". The only game I remember NOT being delayed was Diddy Kong Racing and that could have been because it was a surprise reveal only a few months before release. Who knows if there were internal delays before it was revealed.
This may be why Nintendo stopped showing games far off from release. They always are willing to take extra time to finish and it frustrated fans to see these kinds of delays.
~Just read that 'reUmagined' article cited earlier in the thread. It mentions multi gamepad support. Could this be them ramping up a potential 2014 launch of the system supporting dual gamepads with several games both retail and on the eShop?
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: BranDonk Kong on November 04, 2013, 09:17:10 PM
Modern CODBLOPS 4 Ghosts is supposed to be pretty good on Wii U.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Stratos on November 04, 2013, 09:21:00 PM
Does it have split-screen local multiplayer? Or at least two-player support w/ the gamepad?
What were the multiplayer options with BLOPS 2? Split-screen local? Gamepad local multi? split-screen/gamepad online multi?
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Post by: shingi_70 on November 04, 2013, 09:29:23 PM
I think Sony needs to look at Sony and Microsoft when it comes to expanding their studio output. I would start by expanding Retro and NST.
Retro- expand to have another team working on something on par with Monolith Soft's X
NST- I would expand the studio since Nintendo is putting more effort in core software. Have these guys make smaller Wii U eshop games while working to do another Wave Race or 1080 snowboarding.
Next Level Games- Get these guys to work on the console versions of the none Wii branded sports games.
Monster Games-another digital Excitebike game and maybe bringing back F-zero.
In Europe I would build a studio or two to work on maybe a WRPG or something.
In Japan pick up Platinum since they make great bomba's but I doubt they keep getting work like Suda51 somehow does.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Spak-Spang on November 04, 2013, 09:39:30 PM
To be honest, I never understood the praise of Rare either.
I can can count the GREAT Rare games on one had.
The rest were above average, and some were overrated. That being said. I do believe Rare was successful because they had talented people and Nintendo helping them. Nintendo oversight can help any developer...which is also why Retro is so good as well.
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Post by: azeke on November 04, 2013, 10:32:37 PM
Does it have split-screen local multiplayer? Or at least two-player support w/ the gamepad?
What were the multiplayer options with BLOPS 2? Split-screen local? Gamepad local multi? split-screen/gamepad online multi?
Yes to all of those. They also had mode where one player can play entirely on TV and the other one plays on Gamepad screen.
Plus usual for Nintendo platform wiimote pointer controls support. Also known as the only FPS control method on consoles.
Call of Duty games on Nintendo consoles were always surprisingly fully featured. Treyarch always went above and beyond trying to fit COD "experience" into Wii, and now -- Wii U.
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Post by: Mop it up on November 04, 2013, 10:39:58 PM
Retro's games tend to receive wider acclaim so really it's quality vs quantity.
I don't know, I just looked up some scores for games from Retro and Rare and they're pretty much the same. Retro may be quality over quantity, but Rare was quality and quantity. The non-Japanese thing is a good point, since Nintendo don't have very many of those... or maybe just Retro, I'm actually not sure. But I believe Retro is American and Rare were British, so they're still different.
Then again, I s'pose with Retro making a second Donkey Kong Country game, they're getting some more similarities with Rare in the kinds of games they make... although I heard these comparisons even before the first DKCR was shown. Metroid Prime doesn't seem like the kind of game Rare would make.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: ShyGuy on November 04, 2013, 11:10:38 PM
Modern CODBLOPS 4 Ghosts is supposed to be pretty good on Wii U.
yeah, the last several notable Wii U third party games have had good performance. I gues they studios have figured out how to optimize for the Wii U, or maybe the Nintendo toolset has improved.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on November 05, 2013, 01:07:35 AM
Probably a little of both. Nintendo has been trying to get a varied and commonly used tool sets for their developers. Nintendo really is trying to make publishing for them as easy and cost effective as possible.
I think Nintendo realizes that the development costs and risks are something all publishers are looking at when deciding their projects.
I think after this holiday season we will see where Nintendo stands, and if they have a larger market...developers will take the risks.
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Post by: Stratos on November 05, 2013, 01:26:01 AM
It may also be easier for PS360 title to be ported to another HD console like the Wii U. As development stop working on PS360 they could drop U support. I hope not but it depends oon the gap between U and PSBone hardware.
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Post by: azeke on November 18, 2013, 07:55:22 AM
Interesting conversation in Karaoke MiiVerse dev room (https://miiverse.nintendo.net/titles/14866558073071824155/14866558073071825284).
After we blew about 200$ in karaoke bar this saturday night, i was thinking about Karaoke U.
But it would require me to get microphone or something so eh...
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Post by: azeke on November 19, 2013, 06:28:05 AM
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Stratos on December 23, 2013, 07:09:46 PM
I would consider buying it. I loved the PC version and with pointer controls it would be an easier way to get multiplayer rolling. The appeal would be there for the age group the Nintendo/Wii/3DS go for primarily (Angry Birds Generation Tweens/Teens) that seem to really like Minecraft.
I was considering getting the PC version as a gift for my sister but the multiplayer hurdles have held me back.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: BranDonk Kong on December 23, 2013, 09:54:07 PM
Meh.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Mannypon on December 24, 2013, 01:18:41 AM
I'm not too familiar with how Minecraft works as I've never been too crazy over the look of the game to warrant a more in depth look. My assumption of it is that it lets you create your own worlds or games, something to that affect. A release on the WiiU would be perfect simply because the gamepad lends itself nicely to these menu driven games. My only concern would be that it seems to be releasing around the same time roughly as Project Spark (though only releasing for Xbone and Windows 8 ). From what I've seen of Project Spark, it makes Minecraft look ancient in comparison. Now this could be my ignorance on what Minecraft really is but I'm currently a lot more excited for what Project Spark has the potential to provide in the coming future.
As this will be the only game of its type on a Nintendo platform, it is still a solid release though. Quality releases from 3rd parties are few and far between for Nintendo so you take as many as you can.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on December 24, 2013, 01:30:36 AM
Wii U was sold out at my local Walmart that I was just at (as was PS4, plenty of Xbox One consoles in stock), I found that surprising. Haven't seen any empty Wii U shelves since last December...maybe things will pick up.
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Post by: RedBlue on December 24, 2013, 01:35:29 AM
My local Target only had one copy left of Super Mario 3D world.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Stratos on December 24, 2013, 03:23:50 AM
It's the holidays. Parents go out and buy 'that game system my kid is screaming about'. I'll bet a lot are left to the suggestions of the employees. Also, if reports of scarce XBones and PS4s are true, then parents who were willing to buy a game system for their kids would just grab a Wii U instead of nothing for Christmas. It does have the latest CODs plus other games like Arkham Origins along with the always popular Mario.
As for whether or not this will help the U in the coming year is yet to be seen. Hopefully it is the start of their upswing.
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Post by: Kytim89 on December 24, 2013, 03:38:55 AM
The Wii U is expected to sell twenty five million units over its life time.
Edit: For some reason I am unable to post links, but this article can be found at Destructoid.com.
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Post by: shingi_70 on December 24, 2013, 09:08:07 AM
I'm not too familiar with how Minecraft works as I've never been too crazy over the look of the game to warrant a more in depth look. My assumption of it is that it lets you create your own worlds or games, something to that affect. A release on the WiiU would be perfect simply because the gamepad lends itself nicely to these menu driven games. My only concern would be that it seems to be releasing around the same time roughly as Project Spark (though only releasing for Xbone and Windows 8 ). From what I've seen of Project Spark, it makes Minecraft look ancient in comparison. Now this could be my ignorance on what Minecraft really is but I'm currently a lot more excited for what Project Spark has the potential to provide in the coming future.
As this will be the only game of its type on a Nintendo platform, it is still a solid release though. Quality releases from 3rd parties are few and far between for Nintendo so you take as many as you can.
They're two completly different things. Minecraft is 3D Lego's while Project Spark is similar to LBP or Kodu. Nt sure if having the game will help Nintendo. By the time it comes to the Wii U it will be one every console both last gen and next gen at that point.
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Post by: Luigi Dude on December 24, 2013, 01:24:23 PM
It's the holidays. Parents go out and buy 'that game system my kid is screaming about'. I'll bet a lot are left to the suggestions of the employees. Also, if reports of scarce XBones and PS4s are true, then parents who were willing to buy a game system for their kids would just grab a Wii U instead of nothing for Christmas. It does have the latest CODs plus other games like Arkham Origins along with the always popular Mario.
As for whether or not this will help the U in the coming year is yet to be seen. Hopefully it is the start of their upswing.
It also helps Nintendo has finally started advertising the system as well. I've seen more Wii U ads in December then the rest of the year combined.
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Post by: Soren on December 24, 2013, 02:48:37 PM
Buried in this RedBull fluff piece on Project CARS is the news that not only is the game still on tap for a Wii U release (over PS360 who won't get the game,phew!), but there's actual evidence of a developer saying good things about the Wii U. http://www.redbull.com/us/en/games/stories/1331625870374/project-cars-the-ultimate-racing-game
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There’s no realistic racing game on the Wii U currently yet, and we hear the fans crying out for one. Project CARS provides a Forza or Gran Turismo-like experience for those gamers and it’ll be something to really show off what the system is capable of. From our internal playing, it’s looking extremely promising."
The game is still at least a year away from release, though.
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Post by: Ceric on December 24, 2013, 02:53:08 PM
That game is always a year away.
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Post by: Sarail on December 24, 2013, 03:16:25 PM
That may be so, but I'm looking forward to it. I follow Ben Collins, aka "The Stig" from BBC's Top Gear, on Twitter, and he's been posting updates on the game. I believe he's one of the chaps responsible for the telemetry and other auto-centric data concerning Project CARS. And the man knows his stuff, too. Hope it turns out great.
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Post by: Oblivion on December 29, 2013, 02:37:11 AM
Not on PC! I think they've released some Beta/Alpha builds recently.
But not a Gold Release. Point stands.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: ShyGuy on January 02, 2014, 10:43:37 PM
There is a rumor that The Devil's Third is exclusive coming to the Wii U in 2014.
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Post by: Kytim89 on January 02, 2014, 11:14:59 PM
It would be funny if Devil's Third was a Wii U exclusive.
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Post by: Adrock on January 03, 2014, 12:00:31 AM
What's funny about that?
This rumor probably started because Devil's Third no longer has a publisher after THQ went under. If I remember correctly, the game was (and currently still is) slated for PS3, 360, and PC. No Wii U version was announced though Tomonobu Itagaki is on record stating the game would run perfectly on Wii U since it uses the same engine as Darksiders II. Nintendo should consider publishing the game if only to lock up an exclusive. It probably won't sell spectacularly, but getting an exclusive title (and in a genre lacking on the console) for doing less work than it took to get Bayonetta 2 exclusive is a decent win.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 03, 2014, 02:15:20 AM
I had completely forgot about that game. I would buy it just to support the cause.
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Post by: nickmitch on January 05, 2014, 10:55:31 PM
This rumor probably started because Devil's Third no longer has a publisher after THQ went under. If I remember correctly, the game was (and currently still is) slated for PS3, 360, and PC. No Wii U version was announced though Tomonobu Itagaki is on record stating the game would run perfectly on Wii U since it uses the same engine as Darksiders II. Nintendo should consider publishing the game if only to lock up an exclusive. It probably won't sell spectacularly, but getting an exclusive title (and in a genre lacking on the console) for doing less work than it took to get Bayonetta 2 exclusive is a decent win.
I think you kinda said what would be funny about that.
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Post by: Adrock on January 05, 2014, 11:40:38 PM
Funny isn't the adjective I would use, but to each his own.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: alegoicoe on January 06, 2014, 03:15:23 PM
It can actually be true given the position the WiiU is currently facing. I wont get my hopes up, but it makes sense for Nintendo to do something like this in order to seriously boost the sales of the system
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 06, 2014, 03:37:19 PM
I wait for Caterkillers take on this news as all of that Poketalk is gibberish to me.
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Post by: ShyGuy on January 06, 2014, 03:44:46 PM
It can actually be true given the position the WiiU is currently facing. I wont get my hopes up, but it makes sense for Nintendo to do something like this in order to seriously boost the sales of the system
There's no way that rumor is true. There's too much emphasis on story for a series that has only paid lip service to storytelling previously, and there are too many systems being rattled off. We could very well see a console Pokemon game, but it won't be that one.
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Post by: alegoicoe on January 06, 2014, 07:08:05 PM
It can actually be true given the position the WiiU is currently facing. I wont get my hopes up, but it makes sense for Nintendo to do something like this in order to seriously boost the sales of the system
There's no way that rumor is true. There's too much emphasis on story for a series that has only paid lip service to storytelling previously, and there are too many systems being rattled off. We could very well see a console Pokemon game, but it won't be that one.
i agree with ya, but at some point there definitely some type of pokemon game coming to wii u
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Post by: nickmitch on January 06, 2014, 10:13:45 PM
I'm not buying that rumor for several reasons. The biggest being that it mentions an "MMO". Then there's the fact that we just got X and Y; this generation isn't even over yet. Plus, I just can't believe that Nintendo's next platform is that close to ready.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Ceric on January 07, 2014, 09:41:01 AM
Honestly if I was Nintendo I probably start with a Pokemon Snap for Wii U because it is a wonderful excuse to have someone pay you to develop all the Pokemon Models and Assets that you need for even another Spin Off game for the Wii U. Sell it at $30 or Less eShop only should make a nice little profit but, more importantly have a higher margin on the big game.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 07, 2014, 11:52:19 AM
Pokemon snap with the game pad as your camera and view finder makes to much sense too ever happen.
Nintendo mixing Snap with Colosseum and a decent 3D RPG into one game seems took much like dim meeting people might get excited over, so that's not gonna happen either.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Ceric on January 07, 2014, 05:05:02 PM
Pokemon snap with the game pad as your camera and view finder makes to much sense too ever happen.
Nintendo mixing Snap with Colosseum and a decent 3D RPG into one game seems took much like dim meeting people might get excited over, so that's not gonna happen either.
Forget about "a decent 3D RPG" and just replace that with the ability to play your copy of X or Y on the TV like you could do with the old games in Colosseum.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Ian Sane on January 07, 2014, 05:20:32 PM
This Pokémon game is what the Wii U needs.
... so Nintendo will never make it because they won't recognize that they need it in the first place. If Nintendo knew what they were doing, the Wii U wouldn't be the Wii U.
The only way I can see this happening is if Nintendo's plan all along has been to sit on any console Pokémon to save it for a rainy day when they need it to bail their console out and they're now there.
But seriously, we'll get Pikachu bowling or something lame like that. The game suggested in that article is just way too fucking hip for Nintendo to be working on.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Luigi Dude on January 07, 2014, 06:17:29 PM
Well right now the most realistic Pokemon game for the Wii U is the fighting game, that they already hinted at back in August.
The fact the trademark for Pokken Fighters was made after that, points heavily to it being made by the Tekken team with similar gameplay, and after Hyrule Warriors was recently announced, it's only a matter of time before this game is offically announced as well.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Sarail on January 07, 2014, 07:50:17 PM
Well right now the most realistic Pokemon game for the Wii U is the fighting game, that they already hinted at back in August.
The fact the trademark for Pokken Fighters was made after that, points heavily to it being made by the Tekken team with similar gameplay, and after Hyrule Warriors was recently announced, it's only a matter of time before this game is offically announced as well.
There are currently 51 fighting types in the world of Pokémon. 51 is a bit too much for a character lineup for a fighting game, so I'd assume, whoever is developing this game, would narrow the list of playables down to final evo forms. This leaves us with:
Which leaves us with a roster of 29 fighting type Pokémon for a 3D Tekken-like fight game. I'm down for that. And that's a fairly reasonable roster of fighters, too. I suppose the developers could round out the roster at 30 by adding the comedy option character of Pikachu to the list, too.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: rlse9 on January 07, 2014, 09:04:42 PM
Why has Nintendo not made a regular Pokemon game for any of their home consoles? It seems like it'd be insanely popular and sell tons of copies and help sell consoles. I'm not a fan of the series but it just seems like it would make so much sense.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: nickmitch on January 07, 2014, 09:09:10 PM
It's a Nintendo-ism.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Kytim89 on January 07, 2014, 09:12:55 PM
A Pokemon game for the Wii U could move the Wii U to eight million units. Although if Nintendo were to do something like, and it would be stupid not to, they could create two versions of the game and bundle each one seperately with the Wii U and make a killing in sales. Maybe even sell Pokemon edition Wii U gamepads at retail.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Shaymin on January 07, 2014, 09:33:53 PM
Why has Nintendo not made a regular Pokemon game for any of their home consoles? It seems like it'd be insanely popular and sell tons of copies and help sell consoles. I'm not a fan of the series but it just seems like it would make so much sense.
The outside company who actually develops the Pokemon game (GameFreak) believes the games are meant to be portable experiences so everyone can carry their story around.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Kytim89 on January 10, 2014, 05:07:33 PM
It's official: Next Level Games is now a second party developer for Nintendo.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 10, 2014, 05:56:32 PM
It's official: Next Level Games is now a second party developer for Nintendo.
Here at NWR, and especially in one of my threads (;)) we like to provide a source with our news so that the reader can get the whole story beyond the headline or bolded quote provided.
For some reason links are not showing up in my responses. Perhaps they have been disabled?
Did you not know? If someone's Karma Level is at a Negative Balance then all links they post are disabled. If you get a Negative Karma Balance that is double your Lifetime Positive Karma Points then images and video posts are disabled. Better watch out! ;)
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Kytim89 on January 10, 2014, 07:26:28 PM
I am that bad of a poster on these forums?
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: nickmitch on January 10, 2014, 08:10:57 PM
There's room for improvement.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 10, 2014, 08:19:40 PM
Everyone here has room for improvement. Especially Brandogg.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: nickmitch on January 10, 2014, 09:22:12 PM
Especially the mods.
Am I right?!
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 11, 2014, 12:31:55 AM
Everyone here has room for improvement. Especially Brandogg.
Your frothing demand for my posts increases.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Shaymin on January 11, 2014, 10:37:40 AM
This thread blew me away - @igndotcom
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: ShyGuy on January 11, 2014, 11:56:11 AM
NextLevel has proven it has the chops. Ghost Recon Wii is the rail shooter of choice! ;)
Just kidding, Like Punch Out and Lugi's Mansion, I hope Nintendo gives them more of there A and AA franchises to relaunch. Maybe Urban Champion?
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: shingi_70 on January 11, 2014, 01:11:43 PM
Nintendo could give Urban Champion the Killer Insticnt Treatment as a eshop game. I wouldn't mind if Nintendo makes next level their go too sports games developer from now on. Get that next gen punch out and 1080 snowboarding game.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: tendoboy1984 on January 11, 2014, 03:47:28 PM
Next Level did an amazing job with Luigi's Mansion 2. If the developer wants to stay Nintendo exclusive, maybe Nintendo should just buy them out and make them a 1st-party studio like they did wih Retro.
Speaking of Nintendo... I'm finally going to get a Wii U! I'll trade in my PS3 + games + controllers and use my Best Buy gift card to buy the Mario bundle. What other games would you guys recommend?
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Stratos on January 11, 2014, 05:45:16 PM
I'm biased towards Monster Hunter 3, but that is not for everyone. If you like party games then I would say Nintendo Land is a must. Some of the games in there feel like the awesome Pac-Man Vs. that Nintendo made back on the Gamecube.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 11, 2014, 06:27:01 PM
Next Level did an amazing job with Luigi's Mansion 2. If the developer wants to stay Nintendo exclusive, maybe Nintendo should just buy them out and make them a 1st-party studio like they did wih Retro.
Baby steps man, Nintendo wouldn't want to do a hostile takeover, so an exclusive working relationship that eventually graduates to a marriage is a much better route to take.
Retro was different since Nintendo was a 50% stake owner of a studio that wasn't quite working out. They had to take over completely to retool, refocus and recoup their investment.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Adrock on January 11, 2014, 07:39:16 PM
Retro was different since Nintendo was a 50% stake owner of a studio that wasn't quite working out. They had to take over completely to retool, refocus and recoup their investment.
It was also a hell of a deal at $1 million. They've certainly made good on that.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Mop it up on January 12, 2014, 03:21:31 PM
Speaking of Nintendo... I'm finally going to get a Wii U! I'll trade in my PS3 + games + controllers and use my Best Buy gift card to buy the Mario bundle. What other games would you guys recommend?
You might not think you need another Mario game if you have NSM/LBU, but don't let that stop you from getting Super Mario 3D World. It's pretty different from NSMBU and is fun in both single and multiplayer.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: rlse9 on January 12, 2014, 10:50:28 PM
Speaking of Nintendo... I'm finally going to get a Wii U! I'll trade in my PS3 + games + controllers and use my Best Buy gift card to buy the Mario bundle. What other games would you guys recommend?
I've only had mine since Christmas and have only played a few games so far, but Duck Tales Remastered is as much fun as I've had with a video game in at least a couple years.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: tendoboy1984 on January 15, 2014, 01:45:51 AM
Well I finally bought the Wii U today. I sold my PS3 and a bunch of games / accessories, and used my Christmas / birthday money to buy the Wii U.
First impressions: The Wii U is very sleek and small. I'm surprised Nintendo was able to cram so much tech in a system that's barely bigger than the original Wii. And the Wii U has no heating issues like what plagued the Xbox 360 and PS3, so that's a plus.
The GamePad is very comfortable and surprisingly light. The screen is nowhere near as sharp as a smartphone or tablet, which is a shame. Nintendo could have put in a 'retina' HD screen and added a bigger battery so the controller lasts longer between charges. Tablets and smartphones run full OS's and have dedicated chips inside them, yet they have better battery life than the GamePad. So what's Nintendo's excuse for not adding an HD screen?
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Oblivion on January 15, 2014, 02:05:11 AM
Nah, dude. Higher quality video adds a lot of input lag. Considering they are taking HD video and compressing it down to 480p, it looks a lot better than it could have.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: tendoboy1984 on January 15, 2014, 02:13:59 PM
How would the GamePad having an HD screen cause input lag? The Wii U is just sending a video feed from the console to the controller, it's like a localized version of OnLive.
Tablets and smartphones work just fine with high resolution screens. Shouldn't the GamePad be on par with those devices so it can better compete?
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Ceric on January 15, 2014, 02:32:42 PM
Since the Gamepad doesn't do its own processing higher resolution would equal more data which would mean more bandwidth. Possibly could.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Oblivion on January 15, 2014, 02:58:11 PM
How would the GamePad having an HD screen cause input lag? The Wii U is just sending a video feed from the console to the controller, it's like a localized version of OnLive.
Tablets and smartphones work just fine with high resolution screens. Shouldn't the GamePad be on par with those devices so it can better compete?
Tablet and smartphone is not the same as the fucking gamepad. I get increasingly tired of your asnine and incorrect comparisons. Tablets and phones do their own graphic processing. The gamepad does not have the hardware to do that. Higher resolution means more bandwidth to send.
It uses a unique form if WiFi to send the data from the system to the controller. If the resolution was any higher, there would be notifiable input lag. OnLive, your example, is only possible with VERY fast connections, especially as the resolution goes up.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 15, 2014, 03:34:21 PM
It could handle HD video, it just doesn't. This isn't being broadcast over the internet, so bandwidth would not necessarily be an issue.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Ceric on January 15, 2014, 03:37:17 PM
It could handle HD video, it just doesn't. This isn't being broadcast over the internet, so bandwidth would not necessarily be an issue.
In the Iwata Ask about the Gamepad if memory serves they mention bandwidth as being an issue to have it sync with the screen.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 15, 2014, 05:49:32 PM
I was reading about it and apparently the 480p video being sent sometimes spikes to 25-40Mpbs, more than enough for 720p video.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Oblivion on January 15, 2014, 05:58:10 PM
But not consistently. I'd rather have constant frame rate than the risk of dips if the system can't handle it.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: ShyGuy on January 15, 2014, 06:09:25 PM
I can get an iPad Retina for like $300 hurpy durpy dur and a $100 a month to Verizon for 2 years
Y U NO L33T HARDCOREZ, NONTONDO?
But to get back to news and rumors, Nintendo has apparently started work on a new system in 2013, and they have selected their system on a chip manufacturer. I'm guessing handheld. HYBRID!
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 15, 2014, 06:22:32 PM
But not consistently. I'd rather have constant frame rate than the risk of dips if the system can't handle it.
The 3-4Mbps that it typically streams at is also enough for h.264 (which it uses) 720p video.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 15, 2014, 08:41:42 PM
Haven't you all learned that Nintendo doesn't care about what the hardware is actually capable of and pushing for that, they are more concerned with the lowest acceptable performance and locking it there. that's their comfort zone, we just refuse to accept that.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 15, 2014, 09:09:48 PM
I don't even think it's that big of a deal to be honest. Sure the Gamepad screen could look better, but it still looks pretty damn good.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: tendoboy1984 on January 15, 2014, 10:30:13 PM
Batman Arkham Origins proves that Wii U games can have good graphics if developers actually put effort into their titles. Arkham Origins looks amazing on the TV and even better on the GamePad.
It seems that WB Games, Activision, and (especially) Ubisoft all have faith in Nintendo. Their Wii U games are on par with their Xbox 360 / PS3 counterparts. Who needs EA or Bethesda?
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 15, 2014, 10:45:48 PM
WB Games, Activision, and Ubisoft.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: tendoboy1984 on January 15, 2014, 11:34:31 PM
Well Ubisoft has always had good things to say about Nintendo. Activision supports Nintendo with their Call of Duty and Skylanders franchises. WB Games put their various LEGO games on Nintendo platforms, and the Wii U got very good ports of the last two Batman Arkham games.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 15, 2014, 11:40:33 PM
Right, and those companies need EA to support Wii U as well.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: tendoboy1984 on January 15, 2014, 11:47:19 PM
I just found something cool. When a game is playing on the TV, you can stream the audio through headphones connected to the GamePad. It worked for Batman Arkham Origins; do all Wii U games have this feature?
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: tendoboy1984 on January 16, 2014, 03:41:48 AM
Speaking of Batman Arkham Origins... God damn it Deathstroke / Slade is hard as ****. I can never get the timing of Batman's counterattack right, and Slade attacks so viciously that it's difficult to judge his movements.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: broodwars on January 16, 2014, 04:52:48 AM
Speaking of Batman Arkham Origins... God damn it Deathstroke / Slade is hard as ****. I can never get the timing of Batman's counterattack right, and Slade attacks so viciously that it's difficult to judge his movements.
Pfft. Lightweight. Deathstroke's weak against his own weapon: the grapple. You keep grappling him in and following it up with a combo (and occasional Special), and he goes down very easily. You just have to watch carefully for Deathstroke's counters.
*points to the Trophy he got on the PS3 version for not getting hit at all during the Deathstroke battle.*
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Adrock on January 16, 2014, 08:08:11 AM
Haven't you all learned that Nintendo doesn't care about what the hardware is actually capable of and pushing for that, they are more concerned with the lowest acceptable performance and locking it there. that's their comfort zone, we just refuse to accept that.
Apparently not. What are considering acceptable? I think Nintendo is more concerned with performance vs. cost. They could aim lower if aiming low was strictly what they were doing. If Nintendo could get better performance without increasing cost, they absolutely would. We all want the best hardware available. It's just that someone has to pay for it and no one really wants to.
We should all know the pros and cons of better performance because it's been discussed to death on these forums. People act like Nintendo is just fucking with them or that they lack self-awareness. Nintendo isn't clueless though. They build their hardware for their software. Some may not like that, but that's the way it's always been. They don't really give a **** about how their hardware affects other companies' games. Maybe they should, but they don't and never did. If Nintendo ever decides to, well, they have a lot more than hardware performance to consider.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Ceric on January 16, 2014, 09:18:26 AM
After hearing how Debugging works for the Wii U... Nintendo must have Sadists as there Software developer. Their are few things that are more annoying as a developer then it take longer to push code then it does to Compile and make the change.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: rlse9 on January 16, 2014, 11:24:02 AM
It's just that someone has to pay for it and no one really wants to.
I think that consumers have shown that they're willing to pay for a more powerful product. Look at how many PS4s have sold already, and to a slightly lesser extent the X-Box One. Outside of games, look at how insanely successful the iPad, iPhone, Galaxy phones, etc. all are. The problem with the Wii U wasn't that the price was so expensive, it was that it was so expensive for what it was.
I like the Gamepad and think it's a great idea but the quality is just not that good in my opinion. For navigating menus and the eShop and all of that, it works wonderful but it's hard to look at the screen and want to play a game on it when it looks so blurry in comparison to what the game looks like on my 1080p TV.
I wonder how many Wii Us would need to sell to bring back EA. It's a shame they didn't release a Tiger Woods game for the Wii U, the Tiger Woods series was possibly the best use if the Wiimote on the Wii.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 16, 2014, 11:32:25 AM
The Gamepad works well for the shop, but I hate that you have to use it.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Adrock on January 16, 2014, 12:42:55 PM
I think that consumers have shown that they're willing to pay for a more powerful product. Look at how many PS4s have sold already, and to a slightly lesser extent the X-Box One. Outside of games, look at how insanely successful the iPad, iPhone, Galaxy phones, etc. all are. The problem with the Wii U wasn't that the price was so expensive, it was that it was so expensive for what it was.
Are consumers willing to pay for what more powerful hardware should actually cost? Even Sony and Microsoft don't believe that which is why they shoulder the losses to sell at a more attractive price. Nintendo strongly prefers not to sell hardware at a loss and despite taking a loss in the past, they have certainly never gone anywhere near the losses of Sony and Microsoft per unit. At $350, they were taking a smaller loss than Sony is at $400. If Nintendo sold PS4 level hardware in 2012 with their usual margins, Wii U would probably have been like $700. It's easy to say that Nintendo should take on the responsibility of those hardware losses, but for a company that has never done so, we should all stop expecting them to.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Ceric on January 16, 2014, 01:10:52 PM
It looks that Sony right this second is making $18 per PS4 on the raw hardware so once they pay off R&D and Marketing they should make a profit off of Hardware sales.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: ShyGuy on January 16, 2014, 01:13:25 PM
I tried to get this thread back to news and rumors, I tried...
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Adrock on January 16, 2014, 02:35:10 PM
It looks that Sony right this second is making $18 per PS4 on the raw hardware so once they pay off R&D and Marketing they should make a profit off of Hardware sales.
Sure, as long as Sony convinces someone to manufacture it for free.
It looks that Sony right this second is making $18 per PS4 on the raw hardware so once they pay off R&D and Marketing they should make a profit off of Hardware sales.
I'm pretty sure it costs less than $18 to Assemble and ship per unit.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 16, 2014, 06:02:31 PM
It looks that Sony right this second is making $18 per PS4 on the raw hardware so once they pay off R&D and Marketing they should make a profit off of Hardware sales.
I'm pretty sure it costs less than $18 to Assemble and ship per unit.
Probably not.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Ian Sane on January 16, 2014, 06:41:23 PM
I think the hardware thing is as simple as the competition offers this one level of hardware and Nintendo is offering something that compares more to what the competition just replaced. You can argue about Nintendo not wanting to take a loss or not being able to afford the better hardware but from a consumer perspective that's just an excuse. All that matters to a consumer is that he goes to the store and sees the PS4 for $400 and sees the Wii U, which compares more to the PS3 for only $100 less and $100 more than the starting price range for the now outdated PS3. That's just the reality of it: Nintendo releasing a 2006 console in 2012 and matching it up against a 2013 console.
You can argue that Nintendo makes consoles solely for their own games or that something cutting edge would be against Nintendo's core values (circa 2006) but it has NEVER been about what Nintendo wants. Nintendo doesn't buy the systems or the games. The consumer doesn't want to pay $100 premium for last gen hardware with a fancy controller and they're demonstrating that by not buying Wii U's, all while grabbing every PS4 to come out of the factory. That's reality and if Nintendo can't provide something like that, then they can't compete in the console market anymore because that is what the consumer expects. And if they just don't want to because it isn't what they want to do, well, designing their consoles for their own personal preferences and not what the general public actually wants is pretty much the whole reason they've had console market problems since the N64.
Hell, I just look at how the NES, SNES, N64 and Gamecube all came across as contemporary console hardware that compared well to the competition. The Wii didn't and I felt it was a rip-off as a result and I'm not going to buy something like that again and that's a big reason why I don't have a Wii U. You can argue that from Nintendo's perspective things didn't change but that's behind-the-scenes internal company stuff. From my perspective, as a consumer, it looks like Nintendo used to release consoles with up-to-date current hardware and now they don't. Maybe Sony and MS raised the bar beyond Nintendo's comfort zone but the consumer never saw the previous consoles as "the best hardware Nintendo is willing to release" but rather "hardware that competes with the other consoles of the time". Ignore the internal corporate policy stuff because that's just making excuses. What perceived product is released to the consumer?
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Adrock on January 17, 2014, 08:56:42 AM
Ignore the internal corporate policy stuff because that's just making excuses.
What? No. That's the entire point.
What I want (ideally) as a consumer is markedly different than what I understand and accept of Nintendo's business practices. I want everything, cheap or free. However, I realize that's not possible and no amount of Internet bitching is going to change that. Referring back to BlackNMild's post, I have no delusions over what I'm getting when I buy Nintendo hardware and at this point, no one should. Your displeasure essentially boils down to "Why can't Nintendo be not-Nintendo?" which, quite frankly, is ridiculous. A consumer's greatest asset is the ability to say no which you have by not buying Wii U. You don't seem to understand that everyone else who purchased Wii U here is probably fairly content with that decision.
The difference between you and most of us here at NWR is that you insist on repeatedly registering your distaste for certain (and the seemingly vast majority of) Nintendo things. We are aware of the negatives. Like you, we weighed our options and decided to buy or not buy Wii U. Unlike you, we accept Wii U for what it is rather than repeatedly railing against what it isn't.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 17, 2014, 11:39:43 AM
What the Wii u is, is a good idea that wasn't fully followed through. My complaints are mostly from execution of software, not power of the hardware. I don't really care about the graphics, they are good enough for me. I harp on the usefulness of the software presented. It's like they had great ideas but were to afraid to fully execute them and settled at "good enough".
I don't know if it's budgets, or politics or patents that ultimately get in the way, but most of the non gaming features are lacking. It could be from disinterest, lack of resources, or because they aren't the focus of the system, but looking at sales I can't be the only one wanting more from my Wii U. Times have changed and I would love for Nintendo to change a little with them.
Edit: and it seems Iwata might agree with me
Quote from: Iwata
"We cannot continue a business without winning," Iwata said on Friday during a press conference attended by Bloomberg. "We must take a sceptical approach whether we can still simply make game players, offer them in the same way as in the past for 20,000 yen or 30,000 yen, and sell titles for a couple of thousand yen each.
"We are thinking about a new business structure," Iwata added. "Given the expansion of smart devices, we are naturally studying how smart devices can be used to grow the game-player business. It's not as simple as enabling Mario to move on a smartphone."
I read that as expanding what the box under the TV is capable of, it had to be more than a game player, it has to be an entertainment box, a smart entertainment box. I've put forth quite a few idea already on how they could do that, but there is no need for me to reiterate all that here.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Ian Sane on January 17, 2014, 01:15:58 PM
Your displeasure essentially boils down to "Why can't Nintendo be not-Nintendo?" which, quite frankly, is ridiculous.
I want Nintendo to not be like Nintendo in regards to the things they suck at and be like Nintendo in the regards to what they're good at. Nintendo has always had a very wonky approach to online gaming. So if they made it better would that be not-Nintendo? And if it is, is that bad? Nintendo is really good at making games, when they're not shoehorning in a goofy control scheme. So I don't want Nintendo to change that. That's something that's part of Nintendo's identity that's a good thing. Nintendo used to make consoles that were technologically comparable to the competition and, while I explained that there could be a difference in the consumer and internal perspective, it isn't something they do anymore. So I would argue that the whole approach to the Wii and Wii U is non-Nintendo. They took something they used to do well and fucked it up and I'm asking merely that they switch back. Same with controls. Nintendo used to have very responsive tight controls so the loosely goosey waggle **** we often got with the Wii was, to me, non-Nintendo so I am asking for it go back. To me Iwata-era Nintendo is a compromise of what Nintendo used to be. They haven't improved the things they suck at and have hurt some of the things they used to be great at. So I ask that Nintendo become great at those things again and become great at the things they've always sucked at. The whole reason anyone is a Nintendo fan is because of what Nintendo is good at. Their pros are the TRUE nature of Nintendo and everything else can be changed.
If an individual changed the negative aspects of their personality while keeping the good would they be compromising who they are? No, it's called self-improvement. Any company can do the same thing and maintain the important elements of their identity.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Adrock on January 17, 2014, 05:41:47 PM
What the Wii u is, is a good idea that wasn't fully followed through. My complaints are mostly from execution of software, not power of the hardware. I don't really care about the graphics, they are good enough for me. I harp on the usefulness of the software presented. It's like they had great ideas but were to afraid to fully execute them and settled at "good enough".
That's pretty much how I feel. I don't doubt Nintendo's ability to make excellent games regardless of hardware power which is why I'm okay on that end. When it comes to the GamePad itself, they didn't fully commit to the idea that it could be a game-changer. It's like they were flat-out fucking flabbergasted when people asked if more than one could be used. When it comes to actual gameplay concepts using the GamePad, I still think they have great ideas, but they have an ehh-we'll-get-around-to-it attitude. There's no time like the present. Get on that.
I want Nintendo to not be like Nintendo in regards to the things they suck at and be like Nintendo in the regards to what they're good at.
That's everyone. We all want this. We just don't bring it into every thread and continue beating that horse's corpse. You have already sent Nintendo the only message that matters to them: not buying their console. The rest of your post is just same **** you keep regurgitating in every thread. Point taken. We've heard it before. So you either have anterograde amnesia or you just refuse to accept the fact that this is the way things are. Mind you, I'm not saying you have to be happy about it. Your incessant complaining is just not accomplishing anything, mostly because it's addressed to the wrong group of people.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: tendoboy1984 on January 18, 2014, 12:53:47 AM
The Wii U + GamePad combo is basically a precursor to Nintendo's inevitable console / handheld hybrid. Switching a game between the TV and GamePad is still one of the coolest things I like about the Wii U. I'm currently playing Batman: Arkham Origins, and I've been spending more of my playtime on the GamePad than the TV.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: tendoboy1984 on January 18, 2014, 01:02:51 AM
Also, the reviews were right about Sonic Lost World. It doesn't come anywhere close to the brilliance of Sonic Colors. The music is bland; the stage design is a huge ripoff of Mario Galaxy; the boss battles are dreadfully boring and easy; the color powers are underutilized and feel completely out of place in the game world; and the whole presentation just feels rushed.
But on the plus side, the spin-dash is back finally. And I do like how similarly this game plays to the Genesis titles, relying on actual platforming rather than boosting (though I do love the boost mechanic in the older 3D games).
Why is there a run button? That completely goes against what Sonic games are supposed to be about. Speed should be earned through momentum, which is something this game has none of.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Kytim89 on January 18, 2014, 02:41:46 AM
Looking back on the Wii U i hope that there is enough profit to justify continued support for the concept of streaming to a screened controller. Perhaps not as an official controller for the Wii U successor, but as an accessory. Hopefully the bandwidth technology improves enough in the next five years that Nintendo can create a small version of the Gamepad similar to the Vita in size that can use cloud streaming to play home console games on the go.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 18, 2014, 09:38:22 AM
All Sonic games are terrible. All of them.
How to play a 2D Sonic game: hold right on the D-Pad until the game is done. How to play a 3D Sonic game: hold up on the analog stick until the game is done.
Sorry for going off-topic. Back to the Wii U now.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: shingi_70 on January 18, 2014, 12:47:24 PM
The Wii U + GamePad combo is basically a precursor to Nintendo's inevitable console / handheld hybrid. Switching a game between the TV and GamePad is still one of the coolest things I like about the Wii U. I'm currently playing Batman: Arkham Origins, and I've been spending more of my playtime on the GamePad than the TV.
Pretty sure that will fail harder than the Wii U.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: tendoboy1984 on January 18, 2014, 01:46:48 PM
Why would that fail? Gaming is going mobile, look at the success of smartphone / tablet games for proof. Even Sony is pushing their PlayStation Now service as 'stream anywhere', including on tablets and smartphones. Nintendo's greatest strength right now is their handhelds, and if they could create a handheld that connects to the TV it would be the best of both worlds.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Shorty McNostril on January 18, 2014, 02:39:02 PM
Because smartphones and tablets are already filling that need. People already have access to plenty of games on their tablets and phones. I think the number of people willing to haul around a bulky handheld on top of their wallet, keys and phone and/or tablet would be quite small indeed. Come to think of it, I can't remember the last time I saw someone playing a portable.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: smallsharkbigbite on January 18, 2014, 02:57:14 PM
If tablets get better TV connectivity and start allowing for USB controllers, Nintendo games on tablets might be the future just like Playstation now for Sony.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Stratos on January 18, 2014, 08:07:11 PM
The Wii U + GamePad combo is basically a precursor to Nintendo's inevitable console / handheld hybrid. Switching a game between the TV and GamePad is still one of the coolest things I like about the Wii U. I'm currently playing Batman: Arkham Origins, and I've been spending more of my playtime on the GamePad than the TV.
I use the Gamepad 80% of the time. For one my TV sucks, but it is also convenient for my wife and I. We can stream a movie on the original Wii while I play Monster Hunter on the Gamepad. Sometimes I will have it on both TV and Gamepad if I feel like switching between screens.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 18, 2014, 10:20:54 PM
Here is some news that wasn't covered by NWR and what's funny is I was just ranting about this very thing in a different thread
In a snap news conference called in Osaka, Nintendo President Satoru Iwata admitted he had misread the markets and hadn't issued "the appropriate instructions.'' He said the company needed to change and "propose something that surprises our customers."
"The way people use their time, their lifestyles, who they are—have changed," Mr. Iwata said. "If we stay in one place, we will become outdated."
[...] Analysts, investors, and Nintendo's many game fans have been clamoring for some kind of change in the company's strategy. [...] "I hate to say this, but Nintendo is out of touch," said Yoshihisa Toyosaki, president of Tokyo-based IT consultancy Architect Grand Design Inc. "It has a chance to change course, but I doubt it's going to take it." [...]
Still, Mr. Iwata noted that Nintendo's sales in Japan were better than they were in the U.S. and Europe, and said the company needed a better way of keeping in touch with trends abroad.
"In Japan, I can be my own antenna, but abroad, that doesn't work," he said.
BOOM!!! the 12 step recover process begins.
Now let the branches of Nintendo work autonomously, as you basically sign off on the things they want to do as long as it stays withing a set budget dictated by the business being achieved in each region. Actually, I'll just link to my little rant right >HERE< (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=43484.msg821809#msg821809) as I'm sure some of you may agree with my moment of outburst.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: smallsharkbigbite on January 18, 2014, 10:45:24 PM
I'm not as optimistic as you that good changes are coming. Nintendo has historically said the right things but failed to react. Such as VC that is on another discussion. They have admitted they've done a poor job taking advantage of their back-catalog of games and note that consumers demand it. I know every Nintendo survey I do now I express my displeasure in the offerings. But nothing has changed on the VC front.
The bolded quote that Nintendo is out of touch is from a non-Nintendo employee and that part of the article expresses skepticism that Nintendo will change. That is where I am at, I'll believe Nintendo change when I see it.
I'm really concerned about the Wii U. They have a strategic meeting in January, planned titles may not hit the Wii U.
There was this in the article, "Some analysts say Nintendo appears to be stepping up its research and development spending, and may even be working on a new gaming system."
I hate to say it, but Wii U 2 will most likely be as big of a failure as Wii U 1. I think they are overestimating the Wii U success in Japan. Had the PS4 been released there, I think the Wii U would be flagging there as well.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 18, 2014, 10:49:55 PM
R&D spending could be for the handheld successor too, as it's almost that time. 3DS came out in 2011, so ramping up R&D now for a launch in late 2015/early 2016 for the handheld successor would make sense.
However they could be looking at an early retirement of Wii U (which I doubt) unless it comes in the form of that "hybrid" that I proposed, or something similar to it.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Stratos on January 18, 2014, 10:53:37 PM
3DS is doing well and deserves a nice, long life. Take an extra year and launch both at the same time with a lot of hybrid capabilities while Nintendo 'cubes' the Wii U.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: smallsharkbigbite on January 18, 2014, 10:54:50 PM
Seems quick to replace the 3DS to me. The DS lasted 2004-2011 (unless you count the DSI as a separate platform). 3DS was the best selling console last year so it seems too early to replace to me. I know we talk alot about hybrids here, but I've seen nothing hinting at it from an industry level or from Nintendo themselves so I'm skeptical that is their plan.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 18, 2014, 11:08:55 PM
It just makes sense from my perspective if I was in Nintendo's position. So skeptical or not, it just where I think they should atleast explore the option.
It could be like a 3rd pillar that technically replaces the 3DS, but also temporarily replaces the Wii U till Nintendo can get it's feet back underneath them. 3DS will still have 3DS games, yet they could also be playable on the successor "hybrid". and Wii U may still get games, and those will defintely be available on the successor "hybrid". SO it would be like the WIi U gets to live on, but you are riding on the back of success of the handheld sector, not the failure of the home console.
It's just an idea, one that I am apparently not alone in thinking makes alot of sense for Nintendo to at the very least give a heavy consideration. (and if they do, I hope they call me to consult ;) ;) )
and it may be a little early to replace the 3DS, but it's waaaay too soon to kill the Wii U. the Hybrid idea allows them to recoup some of that investment by repurposing the the hardware. But I've explained all this before, no need to go all deep into it again. I just think it's not only something the competition isn't doing, but will "surprise" the consumers and jump ahead of an emerging "smart device" "beam to TV" trend in the market. Gotta stay ahead of the game and create new opportunities.
Nintendo was onto something with the Wii U, but they didn't dive in, they just dabbed their toes in the water then tried to go in slowly as they adjusted to the temperature.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: tendoboy1984 on January 18, 2014, 11:29:19 PM
How would this new handheld support both Wii U and 3DS games? How many screens will it have (one or two)? Will games be eShop only? Will this device be as big as the GamePad, to offer a similar experience while playing Wii U games?
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Oblivion on January 18, 2014, 11:41:50 PM
Are you Socrates incarnate?
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Kytim89 on January 18, 2014, 11:57:27 PM
The investors cracked the whip and Iwata got scared and decided to understand the real issues facing Nintendo. They probably had a janitor's uniform in the making for him.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: tendoboy1984 on January 19, 2014, 01:26:13 AM
I actually heard that Japanese business culture is completely different from the rest of the world. The President / CEO has all the power, while the investors and board members are just there to give financial and managerial advice.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Luigi Dude on January 19, 2014, 03:08:35 AM
I actually heard that Japanese business culture is completely different from the rest of the world. The President / CEO has all the power, while the investors and board members are just there to give financial and managerial advice.
In Iwata's case it wouldn't matter since the board of directors is filled with his longtime friends from within the company anyway. Kind of hard to get fired when the people who could fire him at the company like the guy and have similar visions.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Stratos on January 19, 2014, 10:42:26 AM
Sounds like American politics. The 'good old boys' never leave and change only comes when people pass on.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 19, 2014, 01:12:12 PM
THANKS FOR GETTING THIS THREAD LOCKED BY MENTIONING THE 'P' WORD! pass
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: tendoboy1984 on January 19, 2014, 10:26:05 PM
Anyways... Back to the Wii U discission. I highly doubt Nintendo will release a revision of the Wii U this early in the console's life cycle. They will most likely try to improve its sales with more bundles.
Also, the GamePad is an essential feature of the system. If they make it an optional accessory, barely any of the games would be playable, and no one would buy the GamePad because it would be too expensive. That would be like Nintendo removing the Wii Remote from the Wii SKU.
Also, we have no idea what Nintendo has planned for the rest of the year (summer onwards). They always save their big announcements for E3 or a similar trade show. People act like the only games Nintendo has in development are MK8, Smash, and 'X'. Game companies announce new projects all the time, so people just need to be patient.
What we need is a bundle that has an additional Pro Controller for multiplayer games. That should have been included with the Mario bundle.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 20, 2014, 12:01:25 AM
Nintendo needs to put their cards on the table and loop us into their development process so we know what they have planned, even if it didn't pan out in the end, like they used to back in the day. There is no need for secrets when it comes to the games you're working on.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Kytim89 on January 20, 2014, 01:27:41 AM
I would be willing to forgive Nintendo if they had Gamecube and GBA games on the VC and a unified system account between the 3DS and Wii U.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Spak-Spang on January 20, 2014, 02:48:18 AM
If I had to speculate I think Nintendo is probably pushing for a pretty hefty system update. If Nintendo could get some multi-tasking going on, and try to get more apps and something like Skype video chat going, Nintendo could save the Wii U as a cheap media hub.
As mentioned earlier in the multitasking thread, IF you could play games and do Netflixs or Hulu, or Skype or whatnot at the same time it would be worth infinitely more.
I think its possible to get something like that working on the Wii U with an efficient and powerful multitasking OS.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: tendoboy1984 on January 20, 2014, 10:25:18 AM
The Wii U only has 2GB of RAM that's split between the OS and games. I highly doubt the Wii U can do multitasking on the level of Xbox One. Smartphones / tablets can barely do it with 1GB of RAM.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 20, 2014, 10:37:24 AM
Multitasking as in playing a retail game and watching Netflix at the same time - that's not going to happen, but something like watching Netflix and browsing the eShop (maybe not watching a trailer on the eShop) should be possible, and not too difficult. Multitasking isn't so much a RAM issue as it is a CPU issue. Having said that, the Wii U does only have 2GB RAM, which doesn't help much.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: alegoicoe on January 22, 2014, 02:23:36 PM
Just read a rumor over at Kotaku over a supposedly new Nintendo hardware being develop called the Nintendo Fusion. I mean its way too early for Nintendo to abandon the Wii U. I am sure they are already working on their next console/handheld, but its at least two 2-3 years before its even announced.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 22, 2014, 02:31:25 PM
Just read a rumor over at Kotaku over a supposedly new Nintendo hardware being develop called the Nintendo Fusion. I mean its way too early for Nintendo to abandon the Wii U. I am sure they are already working on their next console/handheld, but its at least two 2-3 years before its even announced.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Adrock on January 22, 2014, 02:36:46 PM
Wasn't that Kotaku article about how the sources of the rumor were suspect? I mean, we all kind of knew, but after reading the rumored specs, it just sounded false.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: alegoicoe on January 22, 2014, 02:48:40 PM
I just read the specs over at the escapist, and they sound quite PS4ish. I mean if thus is Nintendo next gen console is up to a bad start in terms of specs, unless they pull a Wii and the Fusion becomes a success. Because lets say they release the console two or three years from now, its going to be the same scenario as with the Wii U that had one year on the market being marginally better than the other two consoles and we all know how that move ended up.
Title: EA Hates Nintendo... and now we know why.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 22, 2014, 04:36:48 PM
CVG Artivle w/ a Revisionist and extremely onesided comment from EA http://www.computerandvideogames.com/446277/blog/nintendo-must-reinvent-itself/ (http://www.computerandvideogames.com/446277/blog/nintendo-must-reinvent-itself/)
Quote from: snippet from article
Before anything, the most important decision it needs to make is decide who, exactly, should be its target audience. What the Wii U demonstrated so effectively was that trying to entice both core and casual gamer fails to work on either.
"Nintendo was dead to us very quickly," one EA source told me when asked about why the publisher fell out with Nintendo so soon after committing to the system.
"It became a kids IP platform and we don't really make games for kids. That was pretty true across the other labels too. Even the Mass Effect title on Wii U, which was a solid effort, could never do big business, and EA like Activision is only focused on games that can be big franchises".
Candid words but helpful feedback. If Nintendo wants to entice the core gamer, it must summon meaningful support from the third party publishers who earn their crust with berserk and shouty war games.
Is that before or after they sabotages their own Wii U efforts, such as Mass Effect 3, with a much better deal on the other systems just before launching on the Wii U, such as the Mass Effect Trilogy at a discounted price. When was that? weeks before ME3 launched on Wii U? They know good and well they should have released the Trilogy on Wii U and not bothered with the 3rd game in a series that up to that point had never existed on the system.
Wii U could have been whatever the 3rd parties releasing games for it shaped it up to be. It was initially treated as an old port dumping ground, so that's what gamers perceived it to be. Even to this day I think it is looked at more as "unsupported" than it is "kiddie" in any way whatsoever.
I haven't read the rest of the article yet, but I'm sure it's good. Just that particular part needed to be shared.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Ian Sane on January 22, 2014, 05:03:10 PM
Of all the titles the EA guy could use to make his point he picked Mass Effect. Was that like an intentional dig? Because if any game was set up to fail that was it.
Doesn't EA have some beef with Nintendo because they wanted the Wii U to use Origin for online play and Nintendo said "no"? That alone probably was enough to discourage EA from wanting to support Nintendo but a personal beef is hard to sell to investors so maybe they intentionally sabotaged their initial Wii U releases so as to have a business justification for snubbing Nintendo in the future.
Though it might be as simple as Sony ponying up some money for an exclusive Mass Effect Trilogy, MS getting in on that too due to some loophole from having the individual titles already on their system and Nintendo being left out with ME3 on its own being the only way to get a Mass Effect game on the console without breaching some contract.
Even if EA hates Nintendo, one third party disliking you shouldn't be enough to sink you. Nintendo should be able to fill the void with other third party releases and first party titles until the console userbase is big enough that any third party that ignores you is just hurting themselves. Unfortunately Nintendo has made a product that pretty much no one wants to support. Though I doubt they all just hate Nintendo. One or two? Sure. But not everyone. Nintendo just needs a product that fits their business model and gives them confidence in its potential to be a successful product.
Now if everyone really does hate Nintendo then I have to ask Nintendo what they're doing to piss everyone off. Everyone is allowed some leeway on a handful of people disliking you for no good reason but if everyone hates you, there has to be a reason for it.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 22, 2014, 05:07:06 PM
The answer to why EA hates Nintendo is because they are clearly delusional.
There may be sound business reasons to not bring certain titles to a major platform when you are a major publisher, just as there may be sound business reasons to not support a platform at all, when you are a smaller publisher But EA has been spiteful since just before launch to the point of sabatoging their own efforts and publicly lashing out.
Unfortunartely for Nintendo, EA is a major player, and not getting support from them could lead to lots of smaller devs/pubs choosing to follow that lead... especially when they are as vocal about it as EA has been. Nintendo should be able to fill that gap by having another publisher step in, but the Wii U audience is so small, that EA's own efforts against supporting the system almost seem justified.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: ShyGuy on January 22, 2014, 05:14:40 PM
EA is the worst.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: nickmitch on January 22, 2014, 06:27:49 PM
EA is so up its own ass sometimes. Had the guy referenced that Need for Speed Game everyone actually liked, he'd at lease look like he had a point. And EA doesn't make games for kids? I guess Hasbro Family Game Night, The Harry Potter series, and Lemonade Tycoon for iOS are rated AO.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: ymeegod on January 22, 2014, 06:31:25 PM
Doubt ME3 would have sold any better even if EA didn't release an bundle deal. The preorders for WII U ME3 was sub-2000 with less than 3 weeks to go before EA announced the bundle deal.
What's funny is how people complained about an full priced late port yet these are the same people that purchased Zelda Wind Waker HD at full retail price *rolls eyes*.
Ubisoft went out of their way for Nintendo but ended up with subpar sales as well and I wouldn't be surprised if Emily Rogers was right about them pulling support from the WII U as well--think Watchdogs will be the breaking point--if it doesn't sell on the WII U then you'll only be getting Just Dance sequels.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: nickmitch on January 22, 2014, 06:51:22 PM
One of the features of the Mass Effect series was that decisions made early on effected things later on. That was gutted from Wii U version by default. Plus, that's a not a game you needed to pre-order, so I don't think you can use that as a fair metric.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 22, 2014, 06:53:49 PM
Mass Effect 3 on Wii U was a port of a game that released when?
If they were going to bother, they should have just ported the Trilogy with all the DLC. and just to show good faith, release it on the Wii U 2 weeks before the other versions (if not at the same time). ME3U was sent to die, they pulled the rug from underneath it before it even took it's first step. Not only did the Trilogy get announced before release, but it was cheaper for all 3 games on one disc, than it was for just the 3rd game on the Wii U. Who in their right mind was gonna buy that if they weren't already a big fan of the game?
Even NFS:MWU was an old port, but it was a quality older port that actually deserved to do better than it did. But in the end, lots of gamers had already played it for many months at that point.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Adrock on January 22, 2014, 07:01:43 PM
I bought all three Mass Effect games for my brother. I wasn't buying the third game again on Wii U at full price. And I wouldn't have bought The Wind Waker HD if I couldn't get it on sale. Technically, I got it for free. Boom.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Ian Sane on January 22, 2014, 07:34:07 PM
Even before launch the question came up about who would want to buy a new console to play games that are already available on consoles that have been on the market for at least six years. Unless you only owned a Wii you would never buy a Wii U to play PS360 ports. It just makes no sense. For example I already own a PS3. Am I going to spend hundreds of dollars to buy a new console to play a game that I can already get on my PS3? Even if the Wii U version has some new features are they worth hundreds of dollars to me? The justification to buy a Wii U would come entirely from its exclusives. Maybe I'll get the souped up Wii U version of Game X if I'm buying a Wii U for other exclusive games but that's it.
I know the specs argument annoys some people here but it certainly came across as if the Wii U was Nintendo's very late addition to the PS360 generation rather than the start of a new one. The third party ports are partially responsible for that. Would EA have just released half-baked PS360 ports if the Wii U hardware was more like the PS4 or XB1? I can't imagine them feeling that such ports would have any marketable value particularly when other games in the launch lineup would have next gen visuals that put those old ports to shame. The Wii U's design encouraged third parties to dump lazy ports to it.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: ymeegod on January 22, 2014, 07:42:08 PM
Preorders matter--do you really think retailers don't look at those numbers to justify their orders?
By the time Mass Effect Trilogy was announced the orders for the WII U version was already in (it takes a few weeks to print and ship) so it really didn't effect sales at all.
Just look at the latest sales for the recent games (which were all released at the same time): Assassin's Creed 4 for example. The WII U took like 5% of the total sales and about 1/5th of that of the Xbox One and 1/10th of the PS4.
Do you really think Ubisoft should invest more capital and man hours for an 5% of the market or focus that time and money on something else?
------------------- Ask yourself this question if it was your money on the table would you bother making an WII U port?
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 22, 2014, 08:35:28 PM
Not everyone pre-orders. Lots of us never pre-order. They neutered the release by announcing the Trilogy. I'm sure a lot of uninformed waiting for the announcement of the w ii u version of the Trilogy for cheaper before they decided to buy. Who wants to pay more for less?
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Nemo on January 22, 2014, 09:42:30 PM
I mostly play Nintendo consoles. I've never played the story centric Mass Effect series, so I'm definitely not going to start on the 3rd version. I'd have considered getting the trilogy.
I did get Need For Speed: Most Wanted U...
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: nickmitch on January 22, 2014, 10:09:47 PM
Retailers certainly look at pre-order numbers, but there are games that NOBODY pre-orders. Period. How many pre-orders do the Lego games get? No game that doesn't have a huge midnight to-do or run the risk of selling out for a week needs to be pre-ordered.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: ShyGuy on January 23, 2014, 12:09:07 AM
BRB, pre-ordering Just Dance 2015...
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Adrock on January 23, 2014, 01:26:26 AM
I know the specs argument annoys some people here but it certainly came across as if the Wii U was Nintendo's very late addition to the PS360 generation rather than the start of a new one.
I presume that's addressed to me.
It's annoying because you put way to much weight behind specs than it really deserves. There's no guarantee that better specs would actually help Nintendo. Gamecube had comparative specs to its competition. It still failed to make the impact Nintendo expected. We know why. While it was certainly a very capable console and there were some nice games on it, Nintendo messed up like everything else from a third party perspective. That said, everything else the same save for better specs, Wii U is still littered with problems. The specs aren't really the issue then.
Collectively, Nintendo needs to get their act together. They continually do things that pisses off third parties. I do not advocate practically groveling like Sony and especially Microsoft have. There has to be a middle ground between that and Nintendo's indifference. That semi-recent Emily Rogers' article where she culled a bunch of old quotes from over a decade ago shows that things haven't changed all that much for Nintendo. "Meh, we're not approaching third parties and asking them to make software for us." Wait, what? When a third party claims Nintendo strolls in with a near-final product and says, "Tada! Support it," that is problematic. When a third party claims Nintendo was unfamiliar with Xbox Live and Playstation Network, that is problematic. Singling out the specs repeatedly is silliness because it is hardly Nintendo's greatest sin. Porting to Wii U has been proven to not be an issue; third parties just didn't want to. These companies only put up with Nintendo's bullshit when it benefits them, like on 3DS because it's so successful. They don't need to do that on Wii U because they have viable alternatives. Would third parties have been more cooperative had Nintendo bothered to goddamn tell them like anything? Maybe.
I'm not against better specs, per se. At the very least, I understand and accept why these choices were made. Even if you want to claim that that is of no consequence to consumers, I'm just not convinced the specs are as important as you keep insisting they are. I look at the output on 3DS and the idea that Wii U hardware is somehow inadequate from a creative standpoint is difficult to take seriously. Still, Nintendo can have the best specs ever, but it's all for **** if they don't fix the more pressing issues. Ideally, we all want competitive specs and great third party relations (and at a reasonable price to boot). Given the fact that a lower spec 3DS is making Vita its bitch, I think it's more important to start with the other stuff. It's possible that agreeing on what specs work for both sides will spring from that.
And ultimately, it's silly to continue harping on this over and over again because this is the reality of the situation. It's too late to change it now. Get over it and stop bringing that **** into every goddamn thread.
/drops mic
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 23, 2014, 01:43:47 AM
::WALKS UP TO AMP AND PLUGS MIC IN::
"I'm sorry, were you saying something?"
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Post by: Kytim89 on January 23, 2014, 03:07:18 AM
The way that I view EA is the same way someone might view a mentally unstable dog that is prone to biting people. I do not trust EA as a developer or publisher. As butt hurt as they are about Nintendo not letting them have free reign on Wii U, I imagine they could easily turn on Sony and Microsoft if the need ever arised. Again, they are not to be trusted, or supported. Although the only redeemable thing about the company is Dice, Visceral, and Criterion and their quality games that benefit of the company.
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Post by: ShyGuy on January 23, 2014, 06:14:13 AM
Two of the key heads at Criterion have left recently, so I expect that studio to go the way of so many other EA studios soon.
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Post by: shingi_70 on January 23, 2014, 11:12:13 AM
Two of the key heads at Criterion have left recently, so I expect that studio to go the way of so many other EA studios soon.
You mean relative quality stays the same. They already moved most of the studio to Ghost Games and the next Criterion game isn't a racing game irrc.
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Post by: Soren on January 24, 2014, 01:44:26 PM
Rumors going around saying Gamestop is cancelling pre-orders for the Wii U version of Watch_Dogs. Stores are being instructed to tell people to switch their order to something else or have it cancelled. I have no reason to believe this rumor isn't true. The Wii U version of this game might well be cancelled.
I am seriously bummed out.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 24, 2014, 01:49:10 PM
That's the only 3rd party game I've been looking forward to since launch. Let's hope that's some bullshit.
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Post by: Phil on January 24, 2014, 02:05:54 PM
What a mess this console is, and that's an understatement.
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Post by: Oblivion on January 24, 2014, 03:16:12 PM
I already canelled my preorder months ago, so jokes on them!
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Post by: magicpixie on January 24, 2014, 04:20:55 PM
Wasn't planning on playing Watch Dogs on Wii U anyway, so I guess I was part of the problem, but that really sucks if true.
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Post by: Kytim89 on January 24, 2014, 06:55:01 PM
I plan to buy Watchdogs digitally on the Wii U, so I do not have to worry about the evil empire cancelling my order.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 24, 2014, 06:57:30 PM
I plan to buy Watchdogs digitally on the Wii U, so I do not have to worry about the evil empire cancelling my order.
You do if that cancellation means the game isn't coming to a Nintendo system at all.
It was proven to be false bud.
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Post by: ShyGuy on January 24, 2014, 07:10:53 PM
Take away COD or Madden? Who cares? Bioshock Infinite? Didn't like that what I played of it. TitanFall or Destiny? Yawn.
But Watch Dogs, Watch Dogs is probably the only "AAA" big third party publisher game I am looking forward to. If it did get canceled, it would really tick me off.
It probably won't live up to the hype, since Ubisoft seems to be homogenizing all its big titles anyway, but I want to give it a shot.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 24, 2014, 08:17:17 PM
I plan to buy Watchdogs digitally on the Wii U, so I do not have to worry about the evil empire cancelling my order.
You do if that cancellation means the game isn't coming to a Nintendo system at all.
It was proven to be false bud.
That's a relief, but what took Ubisoft so long to comment? they changed their mind? thought us Wii U owners wouldn't notice or care?
That's the only known game from a 3rd party left on my "To Buy" list my "Maybe" list still has "Arkham Origins" on it, and that $29.99 price tag is tempting, but I don't see myself making time to play it right now, so there is no rush.
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Post by: Oblivion on January 24, 2014, 08:51:06 PM
I don't think Ubisoft ever commented at all, but Gamestop: http://kotaku.com/gamestop-is-canceling-watch-dogs-wii-u-pre-orders-this-1508273787
This was simply a glitch in the system that will be fixed by tomorrow morning.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 24, 2014, 08:54:32 PM
Oh GameStop... let us count the ways..... where is that thread at?
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Post by: Stratos on January 24, 2014, 08:57:12 PM
Watch Dogs is one of the few titles I plan on buying this year close to release. May wait a bit but it depends of the other games releasing around that time or other, better deals crop up before then that take my money.
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Post by: Kytim89 on January 24, 2014, 10:08:55 PM
Watch Dogs is one of the milestone games that Ubisoft will use to evaluate their support for the Wii U. The game is a new IP, so it stands to reason that it might sell better for the Wii U like Zombie U. Hopefully it sells well enough for further support and a Zombie U sequel.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 24, 2014, 10:50:10 PM
As long as we get the same game, for the same price, on the same day, I don't there will be any issues. But they also can't expect it to sell anywhere near as well on the Wii U as it will on the PS360 due to userbase, but it should hopefully hold it's own (not toooo far behind) against the PS4 and XBO.
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Post by: Stratos on January 24, 2014, 11:07:47 PM
If anything it could sell better. Other consoles already have plenty of sandbox games like GTA5. Wii U has Lego City. Not knocking Lego City, but there are less 'big' titles to compete for the userbases dollar.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 24, 2014, 11:11:36 PM
They have more titles that may be similar which is how they already built up an audience for such a game. To most Wii/Wii U only owners, this type of game will be new territory, you don't go in knowing how much you already like these types of games. But with the GamePad, I'm hoping we have the definitive version of the 3 (5?) versions
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Post by: Oblivion on January 24, 2014, 11:42:15 PM
Lots of incredibly interesting things about the early days of Project Cafe and the problems that some developers had during this pre-release time. It's a fairly long read with some tech mumbo jumbo (as per usual with Digital Foundry) but if you skim it you'll see some fairly incriminating stuff.
Nintendo is full of fucking idiots.
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Post by: Soren on January 25, 2014, 12:37:45 AM
Watch Dogs is one of the milestone games that Ubisoft will use to evaluate their support for the Wii U. The game is a new IP, so it stands to reason that it might sell better for the Wii U like Zombie U. Hopefully it sells well enough for further support and a Zombie U sequel.
They already had two Assassin's Creed games, Splinter Cell, ZombiU and Rayman. They have plenty of data to know what kind of support Wii U has, and will have for the foreseeable future. That's why even the mere rumor of a cancellation could be true. At this point you can tell me any previously third party game coming to Wii U has been cancelled and I would believe you.
Did we ever find out who was the secret developer? I think some people had guessed it was the guys that made NBA2k13.
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Post by: Kytim89 on January 25, 2014, 01:32:58 AM
Here is the truth about Ubisoft and the Wii U. Zombie U was one of the most financially successful Wii U titles, and for a launch title, most developers/publishers, can only dream about selling the amount of units that it sold on a Nintendo console. The issue is they developed it twice. It was originally Killer Freaks and they change it around. This cost them big money and that is their fault.
As for Rayman Legends, Ubisoft had a near monopoly on Wii U in early 2013. Had they released it on the Wii U exclusively they would have had no threat from either first or third party Wii U games for atleast six months. This would have entailed a large cash infusion into Ubisoft's bank account. Instead, they chose to wait six months and turn the game out to die against the behemoth that is Grand Theft Auto V. The fact that it sold best on Wii U tells me they should have made it remain a Wii U exclusive earlier in the year.
Splinter Cell Black List, while a good game, showed that the series is basically Ubisoft's version of Resident Evil. Many fans were divided as to the quality of the titles and the direction of the series. In the end it sold abysmally, however, it sold best on Wii U. Yet Ubisoft gimps the Wii U version when it should have been an exclusive from the begining.
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Post by: Oblivion on January 25, 2014, 01:36:50 AM
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 25, 2014, 01:41:20 AM
I believe Ubisoft is on the record saying ZombiU did relatively well, but not well enough that they'd make another one. Going by Wii U third party standards, that probably means it's one of the most financially successful.
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Post by: Oblivion on January 25, 2014, 01:55:10 AM
Ubisoft says ZombiU 'unprofitable, no plans for sequel'
Lots of incredibly interesting things about the early days of Project Cafe and the problems that some developers had during this pre-release time. It's a fairly long read with some tech mumbo jumbo (as per usual with Digital Foundry) but if you skim it you'll see some fairly incriminating stuff.
Nintendo is full of fucking idiots.
Having read most of that, I still am not sure why Nintendo is so worried about my electric bill, when if my bill was high, the last thing that is going to come to mind is "Turn off that PS3/4/XboxOne/Wii/U!! It's burning up all my electricity!!", it's not like it cost that much as if it were running on batteries or something. And I'm also not sure why they are so adamant about it being small and compact when it's supposed to sit on a shelf next to my TV. If we aren't trying to shrink this thing down into a portable for the next generation, quit worrying about the size and power consumption so much. It doesn't really matter to anyone all that much. It's not going anywhere, it's sitting on a shelf and it's plugged into the wall, you are focusing on the wrong things.
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Post by: Oblivion on January 25, 2014, 02:59:34 AM
I almost feel like that's their go-to excuse when faced with that sort of inquiry.
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Post by: Adrock on January 25, 2014, 03:02:35 AM
And I'm also not sure why they are so adamant about it being small and compact when it's supposed to sit on a shelf next to my TV. If we aren't trying to shrink this thing down into a portable for the next generation, quit worrying about the size and power consumption so much. It doesn't really matter to anyone all that much.
It does in Japan, at least more so than anywhere else. They practically live in cabinets.
I'm not saying I agree with it, but I believe their focus is making the most appropriate console for an average space-limited Japanese dwelling. Still, if it came down to it (not that it would ever be this simple), I think Japanese gamers would pick a more well-rounded console over one that's small and quiet.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 25, 2014, 03:15:12 AM
Well I appreciate a more compact and energy efficient design, but it shouldn't be designed starting a target size and power level. They should start with the console they want to build and then whittle it down to what they can make.
Not say I want something the size of a HDD enclosure that uses 65 watts. What can we get in that range? Hmmm... can we make it faster... oh, not if we want to keep it that small... oh ok then.
They should say I want something that is pumping this [target render] at 1080p @ 60fps while also being able to download crap in the background, and have a constant video chat going on while tracking motion of at least 2 people. what do we need to make that happen.... ok, how small can we make that before it's crosses a cost efficiency issue?
But like Iwata said, he is basing all his decisions off of what would be good for Japan, the 3rd most important market for gaming. MS is doing just fine w/o Japan in the picture at all. Sony is doing even better with their focus not being on Japan whatsoever.
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Post by: Adrock on January 25, 2014, 08:30:11 AM
But like Iwata said, he is basing all his decisions off of what would be good for Japan, the 3rd most important market for gaming.
Japan is the third most important for gaming but the most important for Nintendo. Such focus is still problematic and shortsighted however. First, Nintendo technically already has the Japanese games market cornered. No matter how popular their home console can be, it will always be less popular than their handheld. That's just the nature of Japan's gaming culture. Second, Nintendo's let's-worry-about-Japan-first-then-everywhere-else-later strategy is flawed in that they can't take (what's left of) Japan without the other markets. A company will naturally take the last vestiges of the Japanese games market by default by selling the most appealing global home console.
It may be beneficial for Nintendo to set up a hardware team in the West to build the successor to Wii U while the merged Japanese hardware team continues work on the successor to 3DS. Each team would better understand their respective markets. Nintendo's current hardware team knows how to build a successful handheld. A Western home console team (ideally) would be comprised of people with a Western mindset and be in constant contact with Western third parties. The key would be for each team to collaborate on the system software so that the handheld and home console feel connected. Having a unified online account system is something that shouldn't even be a conversation we're having today. Nintendo Network is a step in the right direction, but you know, get on that.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 25, 2014, 11:26:53 AM
It may be beneficial for Nintendo to set up a hardware team in the West to build the successor to Wii U while the merged Japanese hardware team continues work on the successor to 3DS. Each team would better understand their respective markets. Nintendo's current hardware team knows how to build a successful handheld. A Western home console team (ideally) would be comprised of people with a Western mindset and be in constant contact with Western third parties. The key would be for each team to collaborate on the system software so that the handheld and home console feel connected. Having a unified online account system is something that shouldn't even be a conversation we're having today. Nintendo Network is a step in the right direction, but you know, get on that.
That's a horrible idea. Nintendo's consolidated R&D is needed to get the home console and handheld built with connectivity/unity in mind. I pointed out the problem with Nintendo's hardware process above; build the box for size, restrict it's power and then try to fill it with components. That limits your options to expensive smaller and/or older style components, They need to first come up with a capable machine that can do what they need it to, and then figure out how to miniaturize it. It being the size of 3 DVD and only 20 watts isnt' really important to anyone but Nintendo. The Wii could have been 3x the wattage and twice the size and it probably would have sold just as well if not better.
Putting the Handheld and Console together will be good on it's own. Changing the focus of the home console away from compact design and power consumption first and foremost, to one of the last concerns would be a huge step in the right direction. Nintendo's other problem is hiring competent programmers that know what they are doing, or actually allowing the ones working with them (Google) actually do the programming, because like has said many times, Nintendo doesn't always need to reinvent the wheel, but they do need to use the best ones for their vehicle.
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Post by: Stratos on January 25, 2014, 11:34:42 AM
I would love for Nintendo to team up with Google or Valve or even a different, similar company for their system development. Sadly a dream team like that seems less likely than the classic dream teams reuniting that brought us Super Mario RPG or Chrono Trigger.
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Post by: Adrock on January 25, 2014, 11:45:42 AM
The key would be for each team to collaborate on the system software so that the handheld and home console feel connected. Having a unified online account system is something that shouldn't even be a conversation we're having today. Nintendo Network is a step in the right direction, but you know, get on that.
They don't need to be on the same team to do this. The problem with Nintendo's previous set-up is that their home console and handheld teams didn't work together at all. Of course, Nintendo doesn't need a Western hardware team to make a console that makes sense outside of Japan, but I think it would help. It's important for Nintendo to listen to Western developers for hardware they would want to make games for. Having that cultural divide isn't doing Nintendo any favors. It's like Nintendo's Japanese hardware team doesn't know why a small/quiet console isn't that important, even to Japanese homes. Give them games they want to play and they'll deal with it.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 25, 2014, 12:09:47 PM
They can take western influence, but I just think their focus was on the wrong things. It's more important to the brand for the 2 hardwares to work together, and that is done best if it's designed by the same team at the same time with that purpose in mind.
And they have already been working with Google in some capacity, we just don't see any fruits from that collaboration. NIntnedo could side-step this whole "Go Mobile/make a phone" thing, and just make the next Nintnedo OS a very heavily customized fork of Android that gives them access to the Google Play-like store (Think Nintendo's version of the Amazon App store) for certain apps and games, but leaves them in control for all their games. Developers would already be familiar with the base of OS and programming wouldn't need to be a complete relearning process, and they would have Googles resources for tech support. Now Dev are happy because they get the help then need when they need it and in a language they can understand (Google is global) atleast for the networking and OS related issues.
And while Nintendo is doing their joint hardware design, they need to keep their Western teams in the loop. They should know just as much and have as much input about the hardware as anyone else involved at Nintendo in Japan. There is no reason that a western 3rd party should contact NOA/NOE for help and then have to wait a week for a response because the local Nintendo doesn't know ANYTHING about the hardware. that is beyond ridiculous.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 26, 2014, 09:18:37 PM
Big news coming from the Indie scene!? https://mobile.twitter.com/TwoTribesGames/status/427585813195792385?screen_name=TwoTribesGames (http://i.imgur.com/EIix2Fz.jpg)
Does Nintendo have a new Direct coming up soon?
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Post by: ShyGuy on January 26, 2014, 09:25:02 PM
They are supposed to have a direct coming out end of January.
I have a theory: It's not new titles, but they are banding together to make a indie bundle retail release of there current eshop titles.
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Post by: Stratos on January 26, 2014, 09:55:00 PM
Either that or Nintendo is looping these guys in as new 2nd/3rd party developers and throwing funding, resources and IPs to them to help raise the Wii's status... I know, I know, a pipe dream. But one can hope.
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Post by: ShyGuy on January 26, 2014, 10:14:48 PM
Humble Wii U Bundle like they are speculating about over on at GAF would definitely change the paradigm. There are game code options in the e-shop already, correct?
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Post by: Kytim89 on January 26, 2014, 11:41:41 PM
Nintendo should have paid some company like Valve to make customized emulators and a unified system account for the Wii U and 3DS. Make them highly customizable for future Nintendo consoles. Nintendo should have the entire library up on the service by six months.
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Post by: Oblivion on January 26, 2014, 11:57:01 PM
dude stahp
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 27, 2014, 04:56:38 AM
They are supposed to have a direct coming out end of January.
I have a theory: It's not new titles, but they are banding together to make a indie bundle retail release of there current eshop titles.
Winer winner chicken dinner. Congratulations, it was a sale!!! http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=758786
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With the Super Indie Connection Sale you can save 60% on selected independent games -- but only until 13/02/2014 and only on Nintendo eShop for your Wii U! The developers of the five participating games love each other's games so much, they're offering you their own game at 60% off the regular Nintendo eShop price if you have already downloaded any of the other four games on your Wii U! If you haven't downloaded any of the participating games yet, you can also buy one from Nintendo eShop on your Wii U during the Super Indie Connection Sale to be able to get the discount on the other games.
Buy Toki Tori 2, guys, sale or not -- one of the best puzzle games i ever played.
I did play FEZ and Swapper this week, and for all acclaim these titles got Toki Tori 2 was even better.
Yeah, Toki Tori 2 became a surprise best-game-of-its-genre after I had next to no expectations for it.
Looks like I'll finally pick up Mighty Switch Force if this sale hits the states.
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Post by: Ian Sane on January 27, 2014, 03:33:22 PM
Going back to Nintendo's priority with saving energy and making a small system, those aren't necessarily bad things to aim for but what is the trade-off to the consumer? Is this worth losing out on significant third party support or taking a major hit to the graphics? I can't think of anyone who would value energy efficiency and space so much that they would deal with those compromises. It kind of reminds me of N64-era Nintendo's decision that minimizing load times were worth enough to a consumer to deal with weaker third party support, paying more for games and not having then-popular features like red book audio and FMV. It comes across like Nintendo getting fixated on one specific concept and just ignoring the impact of such a decision.
Oddly enough they've never really played up the "green" aspect of the Wii U, which seems like the one potentially positive marketing aspect of compromising everything that matters to use a little less electricity.
Reading further into the article you can really get an idea of how incompetent Nintendo is at third party relations. You reveal the hardware to your third parties and pretty much everyone says "I'm concerned about the CPU power" and you just brush it off? Gee, you've had third party problems for three console generations in a row and that sort of thing doesn't tip you off that maybe you've made a mistake in your design? If you gave the slightest **** about third party support your goal would be for the reaction of your first demo to third parties to be "This looks great! When can we start development?" and "Uh, gee, I don't know about this." would be devastating.
There is no mystery to Nintendo's third party problems. Third parties don't hate them for no reason, Nintendo just makes everyone jump through so many unnecessary hoops that no sane company would waste time and money on their bullshit.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 27, 2014, 03:40:35 PM
It comes across like Nintendo getting fixated on one specific concept and just ignoring the impact of such a decision.
Oddly enough they've never really played up the "green" aspect of the Wii U, which seems like the one potentially positive marketing aspect of compromising everything that matters to use a little less electricity.
It's probably because if they did an infomercial on the energy saving of owning a Wii U over a PS4 over the span of a year, the saving wouldn't be that significant that most people would care.
And then ontop of that Sony would just counter with a more damaging series of commercials showing that you would save lots of money on energy by owning a Wii U that you never played because it didn't have any games (internet meme comes back to haunt), then proceed to show all the awesome things you can do on your PS4.
More damaging that it would be beneficial. It's better that Nintendo just let that one go.
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Post by: Ceric on January 27, 2014, 04:38:47 PM
With the Irony being that XBOne and PS4 are in the same situation game wise as the WiiU... Including Rayman Legends in February...
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Post by: Shaymin on January 30, 2014, 12:01:14 AM
Looks like WiiU gets Link to the Past a couple of months late: Nintendo's website is confirming a January 30 launch (http://www.nintendo.com/games/detail/2Pfbi5V1mYrO50cUcBscHRVGxyqILKYS).
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 30, 2014, 12:05:49 AM
Meanwhile, Super Mario Bros. 3 still lists as TBD. **** you, NOA.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 30, 2014, 01:34:23 PM
Has anyone mentioned that Nintendo is going to start putting DS games on the Virtual Console? Seems pretty cool - but if you already own the game you should get it for free (through eShop or registration).
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 30, 2014, 02:10:20 PM
I agree, but it's tricky for retail software, because you could buy the game, register it for the digital copy, then turn around and sell the physical copy and still get to keep the digital copy for much cheaper than the cost of the game.
Nintendo would feel robbed of a much needed sale, so it can't just be that easy to get a digital copy, unless Nintendo sees some hidden benefit in allowing that to happen.
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Post by: Stratos on January 30, 2014, 02:59:19 PM
Cross compatibility of DS software? As in you can play it on the 3DS or the Wii U with one purchase. Make it an incentive for people to go digital.
Then they could just charge a small fee to give the same benefit for physical games. Something like 10% of the games original value or market value.
Or Nintendo could run a subscription service that allows you to register your physical games and you can access the digital versions as long as you maintain a monthly/annual subscription. I'm less fond of this idea but it is something I think some people would be willing to do.
They could also do something similar to what Blizzard did with the original Starcraft. The game disc allowed you to instal 'spawned ' versions on any number of other computers. These were essentially glorified demos but gave it access to the FULL multiplayer (LAN play) so long as someone with the full version was also playing. I think there were a limit to the number of spawns per full version and I think only full versions could start games but it was a fun and easy way to get multiplayer going.
Nintendo could let the Wii U act like another 3DS for single-card multiplayer in DS titles.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 30, 2014, 11:37:33 PM
Natsume community manager says: Nintendo still working on bringing GBA games to 3DS VC.... And that they aren't the only ingress waiting for it to happen http://ceecee-natsume.tumblr.com/post/75102108640/winter-q-a-part-2-you-want-what
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No, Nintendo does not put recent console games on the 3DS eShop, and sadly that means we cannot either. The same goes with GBA (outside of the ambassador games) — though they’re working on this and we look forward to the day it’s possible. But until that day comes, we aren’t actively working on porting any specific GBA or GameCube games. We’re aware today that Nintendo has announced plans to launch DS games for the WiiU – it’s an exciting time, and we’ll be reviewing our DS catalogue for potential titles.
"Oh, there have been plenty of companies who have looked into it. We wouldn't be the first by a long shot."
I'm seriously thinking that Nintendo must be waiting for a major Universal Account Update so that people have no reservations over buying games and only being able to play them on one hardware or another.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Kytim89 on January 31, 2014, 12:35:27 AM
Nintendo should make the ambassador GBA games available to everyone via the eShop as a token of goodwill.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Mop it up on February 01, 2014, 07:04:27 PM
If companies are interested in releasing some GBA and other VC games, then I wonder why Nintendo haven't done more with the VC...
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: nickmitch on February 01, 2014, 08:56:03 PM
I'm thinking it's just been low on the priority list. 3DS is still selling pretty well, so Nintendo might've just shelved it to focus on saving the Wii U. Unless there's something else that's making it difficult, like BnM said.
There's no way simply getting the games there is that hard when they've already done it.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Stratos on February 01, 2014, 08:58:54 PM
Maybe they want to make the bonus worthwhile and are leaving them as exclusive for a certain amount of time and will release them all with a relaunch of the Virtual Console down the road. Looks like we can look forward to something new and exciting come this Summer's system update. And with the new (hopefully) outlook Nintendo has on leveraging their IPs there is still a good enough time left to work on a Summer launch even if they weren't planning on it before. They have the framework and they have the games functioning on the eShop. Just polish a few more and go.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 01, 2014, 09:25:46 PM
Wii U update during the Nintendo E3 Conference 2014? Or during the Nintendo Direct the night before?
Right after they announce what the updates are? Improved Loading Time/quick start menu Virtual Console 2.0 Relaunch (1 buy/all play - large launch catalog - Miiverse & OffTV built in to the emulator) Universal Accounts take one step closer towards being what they should have been at launch Fixes for bugs and errors, improvements to efficiency Orange Port finally Activated & Expansion Pack bay unlocked under hidden flap.
New Nintendo couldn't come soon enough.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Shaymin on February 01, 2014, 09:42:44 PM
For what it's worth, I'm acquaintances with someone who does Natsume PR, and they told me we're wildly misinterpreting that Q&A.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 01, 2014, 10:00:59 PM
For what it's worth, I'm acquaintances with someone who does Natsume PR, and they told me we're wildly misinterpreting that Q&A.
Did they bother to clarify for you?
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Kytim89 on February 02, 2014, 12:46:35 AM
The biggest thing Nintendo needs to do with the eShop at this point is to offer a gifting feature combined with discounts. What this means is that over time all of the people that buy mainstream game shave down so and a vast majority sit on the eShop and a bought in a slow trickle. For example, NSMB U is one of the best selling games on the Wii U, if Nintendo offered it for half of the price in a temporary sale then a lot more people buy it. A lot more people would buy it to gift it to friends who would not buy it at full price. This adds up to extra revenue for Nintendo.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Stratos on February 02, 2014, 10:18:49 AM
I miss the gifting feature. I miss the NWR Secret Santa we did every year. That was fun.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: BranDonk Kong on February 02, 2014, 12:00:52 PM
Can we all agree that the NNID/Club Nintendo/all other accounts is the absolute worst login system of all time? Nintendo. One Account. One password. PERIOD.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: EasyCure on March 17, 2014, 08:23:25 PM
I miss the gifting feature. I miss the NWR Secret Santa we did every year. That was fun.
:) Thanks! I miss it too.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: alegoicoe on March 21, 2014, 03:51:13 PM
No Assassins Creed: Unity for Wii U, surprised!!!
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Soren on April 12, 2014, 12:58:14 AM
Project CARS. Big 'ol 2014 displayed at the end of this gameplay trailer.
12 minutes of gameplay footage showcasing the sounds in the game.
It's getting hard not to get excited for this game.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 12, 2014, 01:21:13 AM
I'm excited, to the extent that I'm sure it actually exists. They've been talking for a long time. If it actually comes out this year, I'll be right there waiting for it.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Luigi Dude on April 16, 2014, 11:25:29 PM
So rumor has it a Mario Kart 8 bundle is happening in Europe. Considering we usually get the same bundles in America, I think it's safe to say we'll get something like this as well.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Soren on April 17, 2014, 01:06:03 AM
NBA 2k13's servers were officially shutdown on March 31st. They were unofficially shutdown since launch because it never seemed like they worked. Ever.
I only noticed it because the Wii U gives out a different error message. Now when you try and log on to the 2k servers it says: "This online service is no longer available. Sorry for the inconvenience."
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: BranDonk Kong on April 17, 2014, 09:27:03 AM
Isn't there a law against that? I imagine there are maybe 5 or 6 people in total ever trying to play NBA2K13 for Wii U online.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Soren on April 17, 2014, 10:49:46 AM
I'm sure no one was playing online, but the game's single player career mode was tied to the online. Then game crashes when I try to load up the save file. I now have to create a new (offline) career, wiping out any previous progress. 2k share doesn't work anymore, meaning I can't import any new created draft classes.
In addition, I've always experienced hard locks when trying to manually save my progress while offline. (in addition to the numerous bugs 2k never seems to fix).
So the permanently offline version of this game is a vastly inferior product. I knew it was going to happen, I just didn't expect it to happen barely a year after the game was released.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: ShyGuy on April 22, 2014, 01:27:15 AM
The sad truth of Nintendo's future in order to please investors. I never saw they coming where "expanding your play options" would mean pay for content that should already be in the game. I expect this kind of dirty tricks from Microsoft and Sony but not from Nintendo, but i guess i was wrong. Any ways i really don't care anymore, the wii u has been so disastrous that whatever screwup comes next wouldn't take me by surprise, its sad for me to admit it but the days of Nintendo i i remember it during the 90's are long gone and to some extent we can credit mr apologist himself Iwata for being such a sorry excuse for a CEO, and by the way the Wii success doesn't count,lol.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Luigi Dude on April 22, 2014, 02:32:36 PM
As long as it gets released in Europe like the FF2 remake was, we'll get this one in America. Unlike the Wii, the Wii U has the e-shop which as the 3DS has shown, allows Nintendo to release games that would be niche in the American market as a cheaper alternative. So the worst case scenario this time will be the game is Digital only in America, but at least those that want it will be able to get it without having to import and modify their Wii U's.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: shingi_70 on April 22, 2014, 03:35:59 PM
The sad truth of Nintendo's future in order to please investors. I never saw they coming where "expanding your play options" would mean pay for content that should already be in the game. I expect this kind of dirty tricks from Microsoft and Sony but not from Nintendo, but i guess i was wrong. Any ways i really don't care anymore, the wii u has been so disastrous that whatever screwup comes next wouldn't take me by surprise, its sad for me to admit it but the days of Nintendo i i remember it during the 90's are long gone and to some extent we can credit mr apologist himself Iwata for being such a sorry excuse for a CEO, and by the way the Wii success doesn't count,lol.
Pray tell is DLC a dirty trick. Also while I think Iwata is past his prime only dumbass would discount his past successes with the Wii and DS.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 22, 2014, 04:32:33 PM
The sad truth of Nintendo's future in order to please investors. I never saw they coming where "expanding your play options" would mean pay for content that should already be in the game. I expect this kind of dirty tricks from Microsoft and Sony but not from Nintendo, but i guess i was wrong. Any ways i really don't care anymore, the wii u has been so disastrous that whatever screwup comes next wouldn't take me by surprise, its sad for me to admit it but the days of Nintendo i i remember it during the 90's are long gone and to some extent we can credit mr apologist himself Iwata for being such a sorry excuse for a CEO, and by the way the Wii success doesn't count,lol.
so going off this news story, and the comments in the talkback thread....
This game is just as big as any previous version of the game It cost $10 less at retail than your average 3DS game has pre-defined DLC that almost doubles the content This DLC can be bought at a total of $15 up front and the entire package can be had for $5 more than what you would normally pay for a retail 3DS game....
Doesn't sound like a bad deal to me. Sounds more like they are able to release the full game as expected. They can entice more games since the initial game is actually cheaper than usual They can entice more post purchase DLC transactions by offering it at launch and fairly cheap and they expand the longevity of the game by adding more content. optional for those that want it. total package cost $5 more than usual retail.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: azeke on April 23, 2014, 07:21:08 AM
Another World seems to be coming to Wii U and 3DS, among other consoles.
Might pick this up, i really love this game.
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Post by: azeke on April 24, 2014, 02:19:00 AM
Gamexplain video with every track in the game (long): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGhLRezM_C8
Those are some great Mario Kart skills.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Soren on April 29, 2014, 11:39:21 PM
So looking at the Mario Kart 8 eShop page it looks like voice chat will be supported on the game. That's good.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: azeke on April 30, 2014, 09:44:30 AM
Watching Mario Kart 8 Direct: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flpfRzP2ONU Metallic Peach?.. Bottom of the barrel... Whatever... so far my favourite segment is look inside the recording of the music. I even started to recognize musicians (two trumpet players: one is a "blondie" with a headband and the other one with glasses -- they've been in all previous recordings including the latest, big band one (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GF3JYa0ql4)).
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Soren on April 30, 2014, 09:59:12 AM
The character list is disappointing but we already knew that. I did like that you can at least have a shot at defending yourself against the blue shell. The online looks more robust than ever (voice chat, friend matches and tournaments?! Oh wow). And the promotion is good for people like me who still haven't played Pikmin 3.
Digital would trump physical if only because this seems like one of those games you'll always want ready to go in your home screen.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: BranDonk Kong on April 30, 2014, 10:14:48 AM
Definitely getting this - I hope the free software promotion is in the US too. Gonna be tough to choose from Pikmin 3 or Wind Waker...but I think Pikmin 3 wins. I wonder if you're limited to one download, like if you buy several copies of the game (for others) but want to keep the download code for yourself.
And that bass player if effing amazing.
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Post by: Fatty The Hutt on April 30, 2014, 12:55:13 PM
Definitely getting this - I hope the free software promotion is in the US too. Gonna be tough to choose from Pikmin 3 or Wind Waker...but I think Pikmin 3 wins. I wonder if you're limited to one download, like if you buy several copies of the game (for others) but want to keep the download code for yourself.
The CN free games just generate a code you punch into the eShop the same way you add an eShop card, so if you can find someone to give/sell you a code you could cash it in.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: nickmitch on April 30, 2014, 10:17:19 PM
The promotion should apply to the US. Reggie was the one who talked about it. It'd be a real slap in the dick to have NOA president reveal something not coming to NA.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: ShyGuy on April 30, 2014, 10:22:08 PM
slap in the...
The free software is in the US, but only 4 titles. NSMBU, Pikmin3, WWHD, and WiiPartyU.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: MysticGohan on May 01, 2014, 03:28:50 AM
would like the other 6options Europe gets :(
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Stratos on May 01, 2014, 10:40:04 AM
Its not like they aren't all going for $20 or so on Amazon so I don't see why they aren't included. I plan on getting Pikmin since it is the one that has retained its value the best but I wish the other options were available for folks that have all of those games.
Anyone willing to trade a physical Pikmin 3 for the digital code? I prefer my games in disc form.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Spak-Spang on May 01, 2014, 05:56:58 PM
IGN is supposedly at it again. Trying to get attention from another rumor. Supposedly Nintendo is going to show off new hardware at E3. Hmmm….New hardware? What could it be?
Obviously people are rightly rejecting the idea of a Wii U replacement. So that leaves only a few ideas. A 3DS revision. (It's about time for one.) I could see Nintendo trying to update the 3DS with a unit that is more powerful but still compatible. Like Nintendo will try to go the phone route. Update every 3-4 years but have it backwards compatible with older games for 2 generations.
Another idea might be new controllers. Imagine Nintendo thinking we need to recreate Wii…and finally release the next generation Wii controllers. Packed with the right game this could be big.
My last 2 guesses are far shots….and probably impossible, but interesting. 1) A streaming Tivo like device that only places virtual console games. This system could be aimed at a different market then the Wii U…but it might still rub gamers the wrong way, so I think No. Finally, how about a Nintendo phone? I could see it happen….not.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Ian Sane on May 01, 2014, 06:35:39 PM
I could see Nintendo trying to update the 3DS with a unit that is more powerful but still compatible. Like Nintendo will try to go the phone route. Update every 3-4 years but have it backwards compatible with older games for 2 generations.
**** them if they do this. I just bought a 3DS last year and I except it to be able to play ALL 3DS games until a proper successor is released. **** this rip-off half step nonsense and any moron that falls for that crap and ruins it for the rest of us. Sadly the DSi sets precedence for Nintendo doing such a thing.
They've talked about this Quality of Life thing. I'm assuming that is some sort of new hardware. Probably not a Wii U successor but likely some new platform. That's probably what the rumour is about.
Though I hope it's a Wii U successor. That product has no future and will drag them down like an anchor the longer it flounders. It would be dumb to announce a successor too soon though. The second they do it will kill the Wii U for good so they can't do it with a several year wait still ahead. That's like Sega dumb. Revealing it at E3 would only make sense if the console drops later this year and I'm sure THAT isn't going to happen.
Of course that introduces a different problem. What if QoL is something different but everyone assumes it's a Wii U successor and Wii U sales drop off even more than they are now? Nintendo tried the "third pillar" idea with the DS but that turned out to be the GBA successor so would anyone take such a line at face value? The last thing Nintendo needs is dumb Gamestop clerks discouraging people from buying a Wii U because "didn't you hear? Nintendo's releasing the QoL and that's going to replace the Wii U."
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Post by: Shaymin on May 01, 2014, 06:55:51 PM
2DSXL or bust. Though the source of the rumor is apparently an SEO tag on Nintendo's website.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Mop it up on May 01, 2014, 07:20:46 PM
Maybe it'll be a GamePad revision.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: MagicCow64 on May 01, 2014, 07:23:06 PM
I'm pulling for a 3DS player for the WiiU. It will do next to nothing to improve the WiiU's standing, and will have a marginally positive effect on 3DS software. Overall a win and plus I'd buy it! Yeah!
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: ShyGuy on May 01, 2014, 09:35:53 PM
I don't think the QoL market is going to be at Gamestop...
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 01, 2014, 10:07:49 PM
Could it not be some Quality of Life hardware? I'm sure we are all just DYING to see what Nintendo has been cooking up. :rolleyes;
But if it's gaming related, I would put money on it's not a successor for the Wii U hardware. It could be a revision with more built in functionality at the same price, but that almost seems like a lost cause on this venture. If it is NEW hardware (as in not a revision of something already released) it will likely be the announcement of a 3DS successor. as it's about that time. They don't have to release it this year, but an announcement of it this year gives all 3rd parties more than ample time to get something up an running for the release and it's release window.
edit: I shouldn't have let this post sit for so long before hitting send....
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Kytim89 on May 01, 2014, 11:13:18 PM
Honestly, I am betting on a Gamepad revisions that resembles a handheld, and possibly has the features need to to tap into wi-fi to play Wii U games anywhere on the go. This would make sense for a Japanese audience. Although I would not rule out a 3DS player for the Wii U considering that DS games are coming to its Virtual Console. Overall, Nintendo will unveil a universal system account between the Wii U and 3DS to bridge the gap for the inevitable hybrid to be revealed in a few years.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Luigi Dude on May 01, 2014, 11:18:33 PM
Considering the Mario Kart 8 bundle is coming out 2 weeks before E3, we can rule out any Wii U revisions. After the Direct yesterday went out of its way to show a great a deal this new bundle is and why everyone should be buying Wii U's for Mario Kart 8, Nintendo is pretty much betting it all on that game. If they're planning on this bundle improving the Wii U's current situation, they're not going to announce anything that could possibly make people hold off on buying it when the Direct showed they want as many people buying Mario Kart 8 between May 30's and July 31st, since that's how long that free game download deal will last.
I could see it being some kind of 3DS revision since the 3DS sales have been down this year in Japan compared to what they were last year. I wouldn't be surprised if they even release it this Summer to go along with Smash Bros 3DS, since that would be the most effective way to improve 3DS sales in Japan as quickly as possible. Plus we're kind of due for a new handheld revision since it's been almost 2 years now since the 3DS XL was released. Nintendo handhelds usually seem to get their new revisions every 2-3 years so getting a new kind of 3DS shown wouldn't exactly be out of the ordinary compared to what the GBA and DS had.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Kytim89 on May 01, 2014, 11:38:04 PM
Zelda Wii U has to be shown this year. All of the Wii U's big guns will be out by the end of the year and Bayonetta 2 and X are just not major system sellers to garner enough interest in the console through 2015. Although Nintendo has more games up their sleeves for this year's E3.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Spak-Spang on May 02, 2014, 12:33:25 AM
Is it really about time for a 3DS successor though? The portables tend to last longer than 5 years.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 02, 2014, 12:44:32 AM
Nintendo needs to invigorate sales and the handheld sector is their golden egg. 5 years is plenty for the 3DS, especially when the successor will probably be fully BC.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Soren on May 02, 2014, 12:53:31 AM
Honestly, I am betting on a Gamepad revisions that resembles a handheld, and possibly has the features need to to tap into wi-fi to play Wii U games anywhere on the go.
So you're betting on an already over-priced console to get more expsensive?
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Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on May 02, 2014, 09:24:58 AM
I expect "if" anything its an Android based tablet and dock with a "3DStylus" SD card and 3DS/DS Game Slot and a few more bells and dings. Not WiiU successor! Far too soon for that.
*3DStylus is a small wiimote that has no buttons and is the size of the XL Pen.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: smallsharkbigbite on May 02, 2014, 10:48:53 AM
It's nothing. I can't link easily with my phone. Gamespot updated their article with a Nintendo denial that any new hardware will be at e3.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 02, 2014, 11:36:57 AM
*3DStylus is a small wiimote that has no buttons and is the size of the XL Pen.
Why would a stylus designed top work like a wiimote, as in not touching the screen, not have any buttons? How would you select what you are hovering over? I would make that "3D" stylus with no more than 2 buttons on it, but at least 1, otherwise it's not really functional unless you use it to touch the screen, which invalidates the idea of it being "3D".
It's nothing. I can't link easily with my phone. Gamespot updated their article with a Nintendo denial that any new hardware will be at e3.
I'm the past, Nintendo has denied new hardware right up till the point where they announced it several months later, not sure if I expect that approach to suddenly change now. I won't fault everyone to continue speculating until E3 under the assumption that it could still happen.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Ceric on May 02, 2014, 11:50:56 AM
Forget Months. Nintendo has denied items to Day in front.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Ian Sane on May 02, 2014, 12:27:08 PM
Funny I keep hearing "well we're about due for a 3DS revision". Uh, yeah, remember the 2DS? That came out like six months ago. How the hell are we overdue for another revision? It's not like I wouldn't expect another one from Nintendo but it isn't like the 3DS has been unchanged for years.
If Nintendo doesn't show some new hardware at E3, and were never going to, they're going to get flack for not living up to expectations. That's not really fair so I hope IGN weren't pulling this out of their ass.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 02, 2014, 12:51:44 PM
Forget another revision, we are due for a handheld successor.
And should it happen, I hope they don't go for something that compliments the Wii U unless their plans for the next home console is based off of that too. In other words, whatever their next handheld is, it should be the right hand companion of its next home console, which would hopefully be announced the following E3.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: BranDonk Kong on May 02, 2014, 12:56:37 PM
The PSVita shows that a completely handheld Wii U (albeit with no Wiimote support) is completely possible.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Adrock on May 02, 2014, 01:15:18 PM
I don't really consider XL and 2DS to be revisions as they're both sold alongside the original 3DS. That's way different from like GBA SP and DS Lite which replaced the older models.
Anyway, I think people's expectations of this are way too unrealistic. It'll probably be something minor like the Wii U Fit Meter.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Stogi on May 02, 2014, 01:26:43 PM
A VC only box?
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: smallsharkbigbite on May 02, 2014, 02:01:30 PM
Forget Months. Nintendo has denied items to Day in front.
I thought Nintendo's always "didn't comment on rumors" which is what they did initially. Then it seemed like they didn't want talk to snowball so they came out and said no so I believe them. QoL is supposedly coming out in 2015, so I'm sure they are at least working on that now. I just don't expect to see any new hardware at E3.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 02, 2014, 02:05:55 PM
You are reminding me of my ideas of the roku like box that works with the gamepad. An all digital version that accepts external HDD for massive expanded storage of downloaded games. It only comes with a wiimote+, but is fuilly compatible with the gamepad as well. Sell it for $149.99 including a $5 eShop credit.
Nintendo would need to massively increase their supported apps though, and greatly expand the VC & Wii U ware catalog though for it to even be considered a remotely good idea.
Forget Months. Nintendo has denied items to Day in front.
I thought Nintendo's always "didn't comment on rumors" which is what they did initially. Then it seemed like they didn't want talk to snowball so they came out and said no so I believe them. QoL is supposedly coming out in 2015, so I'm sure they are at least working on that now. I just don't expect to see any new hardware at E3.
I'm pretty sure Nintendo denied the existence of Project Cafe (Wii U) several days before revealing it back in March of 2011. I may not have the exact days or the month correct, but it was denial of existence within a week or so of revealing the project.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Ian Sane on May 02, 2014, 02:22:43 PM
Forget another revision, we are due for a handheld successor.
What the hell? The 3DS is only three years old. The DS lasted for five years before the DSi half step and seven years before the 3DS. I suggest replacing an outright bomb in the Wii U and get all sorts of responses about how it's too soon and it would piss off the customerbase and yet the 3DS, the system that IS successful and has a sizable enough customerbase that pissing them off might actually matter, is due to be replaced after only three years? That's ridiculous.
This is a totally out-there idea but it is hardware and I'd love to see it from Nintendo. I want re-releases of old Nintendo hardware for the retro collecting market. There are machines you can get that play NES and SNES games but they use emulation. Nintendo could make something that uses real hardware. This would be especially nice for the NES since those old systems are pretty unreliable. And maybe they could tie this in with a VC box so you're playing your VC games on authentic hardware! There is a market for this kind of stuff since companies will sell replacement PIN connectors and A/C adapters for old consoles, but it's a niche market and Nintendo would probably not consider that worth pursuing. Plus they probably don't want to encourage you to play old used copies of games. But there are companies finding success selling NES clones and Nintendo is leaving that money on the table. Unless they were of poor quality, official Nintendo versions of such products would probably own that market overnight.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: rlse9 on May 02, 2014, 02:23:14 PM
Maybe they're finally ready to release the Vitality Sensor...
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: smallsharkbigbite on May 02, 2014, 03:50:50 PM
The 3ds is still selling really well (I know they lowered projections). I think it's in need of a price decrease to spur sales and get the 2dsbelow the important $100 point and open a new market for the system and its games. I think it's important to tap this market before a new system is released. I also think they will have a hard time pushing a new system if they try to sell a portable for $200+ this soon after releasing the 3ds. The $169 point seemed to be a price point consumers could get behind but I'd like the 3ds to be cheaper to make a new console at $169 reasonable.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on May 02, 2014, 06:17:46 PM
Nintendo has about 26-31% market share in this new gen and people want them to introduce new hardware? Losing ain't lost yet. Handheld is where the drama is (japan), that's where they will go first. There is plenty of blood, treasure and glory left to be decided on the console front.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 02, 2014, 08:42:43 PM
Forget another revision, we are due for a handheld successor.
What the hell? The 3DS is only three years old. The DS lasted for five years before the DSi half step and seven years before the 3DS.
It's a different market now and different times call for different measures. They don't need to release it this year, but announce it at E3, announce the launch date just after the new year and release it in March/April 2015. 3DS would have survived 4 years before being replaced. Some new handheld hardware that is more on the level of Vita, but with some improved Nintendo philosophy towards accounts, online and connectivity could be a really good step in building faith for the eventual announcement of the Wii U successor late next year.
Of course this is all based off "Nintnedo is showing new hardware at this E3" because personally, I think if they can hold off one more year, and then launch the 3DS successor early 2016 and the Wii U successor end of 2016, and they both compliment each other as if they were made to go together but also work perfectly fine separately, then that would be even better.
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I suggest replacing an outright bomb in the Wii U and get all sorts of responses about how it's too soon and it would piss off the customerbase and yet the 3DS, the system that IS successful and has a sizable enough customerbase that pissing them off might actually matter, is due to be replaced after only three years? That's ridiculous.
It's too soon for the Wii U. Nintendo has to ride it out for atleast another year. 4 years and a replacement for Wii U will hit. End of 2016 puts them mid cycle to the PS4/XBO consoles. right when devs are looking for more power. It would be a good strategy of Nintendo to offset their schedule with the competition instead of everyone trying to coolest new kid on the block all at the same time.
It's the same line of thinking as the Wii U would have been amazing had it come out in 2011, unfortunately it came out in 2012, when much better things were following on it's heels. A 2 year headstart could have made all the difference with PS4/XBO on the horizon.
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Post by: Oblivion on May 02, 2014, 08:45:08 PM
I'm glad BnM isn't the President of Nintendo.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on May 02, 2014, 09:07:59 PM
What did he say. Post made some sense to me. But what the hell do I know.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Adrock on May 02, 2014, 09:32:13 PM
I can't see Nintendo replacing 3DS any time soon. I wouldn't want them to either. We aren't getting Monster Hunter 4 until next year. A 3DS successor around that time next year can kindly get the **** out of my face.
I can't see Nintendo replacing Wii U any time soon either. I think Nintendo can still eventually turn a profit on Wii U even while selling far, far less than the competition. Not an ideal situation by any stretch of the imagination, but it's why Nintendo positions themselves the way they do. I get it even though they can stand to be much smarter with their frugality.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 02, 2014, 09:40:22 PM
It would be a much different Nintendo than what we are currently disappointed with today. That much I know. I couldn't tell you if we would be any more successful that they are right now, but I would hope that wouldn't be any worse. Even if we aimed for the same concept of what the Wii U is today, I would have put more focus on speed, features and functionality over Nintendo uniqueness, size and power consumption.
Which would you have preferred in the end?
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Post by: Oblivion on May 02, 2014, 09:42:53 PM
Not making a 3DS successor after three years is one thing.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 02, 2014, 09:57:13 PM
If you read, I said launch it on the 4th year (March/Apr 2015). and ultimately I would want them to wait till 2016 to succeed them both. I only suggest announcing it at this years E3 because the rumor was that there was going to be new hardware shown off at this years E3.
if it came down to replacing the 3DS next year or the Wii U, I would hope that Nintendo would choose the 3DS. Nintendo has seen it's success with it, it can now move down in to the budget category and should Nintendo launch a new handheld, it is WAAAAAY too soon for Sony to follow suit as it's only been 2 years, and I'm sure they have quite a ways to go before even catching the scent of a profit on Vita. Nintendo could effectively put the nail in that coffin and secure an uncontested victory in teh handheld sector. It's way too soon for the Wii U and no one but the hardest of hard core would buy another Nintendo home console so soon when they haven't even gotten their money's worth out of the Wii U yet. we are still waiting on key games. it would be home console suicide to replace it before the 4th year and promised (since near launch) software.
But this whole speculative discussion on whether "new hardware" turns out to be 3DS or Wii U successors/revisions could be moot if new hardware turns out to be whatever Quality of Life products are.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on May 02, 2014, 10:13:15 PM
It is time for a new color for WiiU. I thought the MarioKart Bundle would have been red but just the motes.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: smallsharkbigbite on May 02, 2014, 10:31:40 PM
I can't see Nintendo replacing 3DS any time soon. I wouldn't want them to either. We aren't getting Monster Hunter 4 until next year. A 3DS successor around that time next year can kindly get the **** out of my face.
It's a different market now and different times call for different measures. They don't need to release it this year, but announce it at E3, announce the launch date just after the new year and release it in March/April 2015. 3DS would have survived 4 years before being replaced. Some new handheld hardware that is more on the level of Vita, but with some improved Nintendo philosophy towards accounts, online and connectivity could be a really good step in building faith for the eventual announcement of the Wii U successor late next year.
What? 3DS is expected to sell 13.5M units in fiscal 2013 (we'll see where it ends up). Those are incredible sales and 3DS owns the handheld market. The 3DS is great for the market. Nobody is not buying a 3DS because it doesn't have Vita power, the lower cost model fits handhelds. Nobody is not buying a 3DS because of it's online and connectivity. Does the Vita do better at those? No, because nobody is ever online playing that platform. The 3DS makes money and sells well. It's just not in need of a replacement yet.
Don't mistake the Wii U pulling Nintendo in a loss position as a reason for changing the market that makes Nintendo money. Would you be thinking a 3DS needed a replacement if Nintendo was making money? A new product needs to be driven by the market. Nintendo dropping the 3DS for a Vita like replacement is not a good model. When hardware worthy of change needs to happen or demand in the 3DS really drops then Nintendo should replace the 3DS and not before then.
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It's the same line of thinking as the Wii U would have been amazing had it come out in 2011, unfortunately it came out in 2012, when much better things were following on it's heels. A 2 year headstart could have made all the difference with PS4/XBO on the horizon.
I don't think a year would have made that much of a difference. There wasn't many good third party games released in that extra year and third parties would have had to be included in the planning part to get late ports and that game and they wouldn't have been. Sales wouldn't have been strong upfront and the ports would never come. I think the difference is we may now be looking at a Wii U replacement as it would have had an extra year that it wouldn't have taken advantage of. You don't go from having a poor console to having a great console just one year earlier. I like the Wii U, but it's not much of a jump over PS3/Xbox and it wouldn't have caught much consumer interest if it had come out 1, 2, or 3 years earlier.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 02, 2014, 10:41:14 PM
Who said anything about dropping the 3DS? I said movie it down into the budget hardware category. It's successor would fill the higher end market need that the Vita is currently hoping to fill.
and I disagree on the Wii U launching a year sooner. I think that extra year could have made all the difference. It would have launched on the tail end of the faded Wii glory days instead of a full year after the last handful of dirt was thrown on it's grave. It might have reignited a little hype instead of trying to resuscitate a dead horse. That extra year could have made a huge difference, especially if EA was on board and all other 3rd parties that seemed enthusiastic before launch flop.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Kytim89 on May 02, 2014, 10:46:13 PM
Nintendo could alleviate the Wii U's issues by simply upping the ante of their game development and hitting their core audience with quality titles. As for the 3DS successor, that system is not going anywhere for atleast two years. The Wii U and 3DS successors must be revealed at the same time. Nintendo is trying to close the gap between home console and handheld and the best time to that is right now with the 3DS and Wii U so that the infrastructure exists in the future. They need to get the universal system account going sooner rather than later.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: BranDonk Kong on May 02, 2014, 11:13:46 PM
Nintendo could alleviate the Wii U's issues by simply upping the ante of their game development and hitting their core audience with quality titles. As for the 3DS successor, that system is not going anywhere for atleast two years. The Wii U and 3DS successors must be revealed at the same time. Nintendo is trying to close the gap between home console and handheld and the best time to that is right now with the 3DS and Wii U so that the infrastructure exists in the future. They need to get the universal system account going sooner rather than later.
Ideally they would announce both end of 2015 and launch them both in 2016.
but upping the ante of their game development? I'm not sure what that means. Did you mean upping the amount of their games in development? or raising the stakes on the types of games they develop (genres & IPs)?
Boosting production at this late stage in the game wouldn't bear fruit till maybe 2 years from now. changing the types of games they are making would probably take just as long if not longer.
But if they got started now, the successor systems should have an awesome launch.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Kytim89 on May 03, 2014, 02:44:10 AM
Nintendo could alleviate the Wii U's issues by simply upping the ante of their game development and hitting their core audience with quality titles. As for the 3DS successor, that system is not going anywhere for atleast two years. The Wii U and 3DS successors must be revealed at the same time. Nintendo is trying to close the gap between home console and handheld and the best time to that is right now with the 3DS and Wii U so that the infrastructure exists in the future. They need to get the universal system account going sooner rather than later.
Ideally they would announce both end of 2015 and launch them both in 2016.
but upping the ante of their game development? I'm not sure what that means. Did you mean upping the amount of their games in development? or raising the stakes on the types of games they develop (genres & IPs)?
Boosting production at this late stage in the game wouldn't bear fruit till maybe 2 years from now. changing the types of games they are making would probably take just as long if not longer.
But if they got started now, the successor systems should have an awesome launch.
There is no doubt that Nintendo has accelerated their plans for their next consoles. However, it would cost them too much money to replace what they have right now. As for Nintendo upping the ante in their games, Nintendo needs to bring back all of their dormant franchises to the Wii U, which would include Metroid. The systems needs games and with the new Call of Duty looking less likely for the Wii U they need a hell of lot more than what they are churning out now, and no casual title is going to push systems.
Nintendo could build bridges for their next systems by extending olive branches in the present. They could money hat Rockstar to make a remake of Max Payne that is exclusive to the Wii U. Or they could do a Spec Ops sequel for the Wii U. They could bribe Metal Gear Reveangance 2 onto the Wii U. The potential is limitless and with the industry as cash strapped as it is having a five billion dollar war chest is a blessing one could use to their advantage.
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Post by: Stratos on May 03, 2014, 11:58:13 AM
They could always work with High Voltage to bring a Conduit and whatever that Left-4-Dead clone they were working on was called. Their games were nice from a technical level but they need a creative spark that Nintendo is know to give to to 2nd/3rd parties.
I think we need to see a revival of the old partnerships Nintendo had going in the N64/GC days. They seem to have some good relations going with Capcom and Sega. They should turn that up. but also find some smaller studios they can guide along like they did with Silicone Knights, Factor 5 and Rare.
Monster Hunter and Dragon Quest are the big Japanese franchises. If they could get them onto the Wii U exclusively that would be a huge boon to their cause. Dragon Quest 11 and Monster Hunter 5 exclusive to Wii U? More likely a good timing for the next system as I am sure both will not be out until 2016 at the earliest.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 03, 2014, 12:29:51 PM
Nintendo should be all over nurturing High Voltage just for the exclusive content. Subsidize their cost a little, have a few exclusive FPS style games, westernized games and/or older themed games.
I'm still waiting for that monster game they were working on. It sounded good from what was originally shown. too bad The Conduit didn't do better and allow them to finish it in a timely manner.
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Post by: Stratos on May 03, 2014, 02:15:35 PM
All the reports show that it is still coming...eventually. They just have to pay for the production themselves through licensed projects. So it is slow and steady.
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Post by: Ceric on May 03, 2014, 08:20:14 PM
Dragon Quest and MonHun are exclusive at the moment.
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Post by: Stratos on May 03, 2014, 09:22:00 PM
For 3DS. Imagine channeling that interest onto the Wii U.
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Post by: smallsharkbigbite on May 03, 2014, 09:26:26 PM
Who said anything about dropping the 3DS? I said movie it down into the budget hardware category. It's successor would fill the higher end market need that the Vita is currently hoping to fill.
I just don't get this. 3DS is already budget and Vita is doing terribly because the market that wants high end console games buy a console. 3rd tier just doesn't work in consoles, nobody has run two consoles simultaneously.
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and I disagree on the Wii U launching a year sooner. I think that extra year could have made all the difference. It would have launched on the tail end of the faded Wii glory days instead of a full year after the last handful of dirt was thrown on it's grave. It might have reignited a little hype instead of trying to resuscitate a dead horse. That extra year could have made a huge difference, especially if EA was on board and all other 3rd parties that seemed enthusiastic before launch flop.
EA pulled out before sales tanked because of the failed networking deal. Same thing happens a year earlier, EA is pulling out. Nintendo is going on it's 3rd straight year of operating loss. Wii momentum failed three years ago, so you'd have to release 2 years earlier than it came out to try to capitalize on the Wii market. But I still see the same failure there as people who were interested in motion controls aren't intrigued by the Wii U tablet.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 03, 2014, 10:29:44 PM
Well, if Nintendo was gonna play the interim console, power wise, it would have been wise of them to launch early and take advantage of all the dev that would love to work on something even marginally more powerful than the PS360. it would have been 2 years of potential games and now plenty of devs with familiarity, not to mention the install base that might have grown and the interest that might have held had it launch only just 1 year earlier than it did. Maybe Metal Gear would have made it, and all those other games that "Wii just wasn't powerful enough" for. It's all a game of what if's at this point, but I think things could have been very different had Nintendo not sat on their asses while the Wii faded into casual obscurity and launched, more or less, the same Wii U console we have now back in 2011 instead of 2012 (launching in 2010 would have been even better. jumping on the iPad train while it was still young.) As far as EA jumping ship... I'm sure it would have been different if the PS4/XBO weren't right around the corner and EA knew that Wii U was underpowered compared to what those 2 were packing, so they were willing to make that power play. remember, it's a Game of Thrones, and Nintendo wasn't willing to play, so eventually the others have to choose sides that will position them best in the future. Timing is everything and Nintendo has been a day late and a dollar short for almost 2 decades. now
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Post by: Adrock on May 03, 2014, 10:49:33 PM
If Nintendo released Wii U earlier than they did, I would be surprised if it even turned on considering what a mess it was at launch.
The only way that interim console idea works is if the successor of Wii U isn't a colossal fucky mess out of the box. An operating system that takes significantly less than 20 seconds to switch applications is a given. However, if it doesn't have universal voice chat day one, Nintendo shouldn't even bother launching the damn thing until it does.
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Post by: smallsharkbigbite on May 04, 2014, 09:39:32 PM
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As far as EA jumping ship...
EA was pretty much jumped ship already. I think they made Madden for the Wii and that was about it at that point. EA games have never sold as well on Nintendo consoles as Sony/Microsoft. EA has been in constant financial pressure to improve. Cutting Nintendo actually worked out really well with their financial plans. I just don't see any way the launch Wii U sells more EA games than the mature PS3/Xbox360 market. I still think the only reason that Wii U got any EA games was because they believed Origin was going to run Wii U online network and by the time they realized it wasn't the games were too far along to just cancel.
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Post by: Ian Sane on May 05, 2014, 01:06:10 PM
I'd say that the only reason to replace the 3DS at this point in time is if it's the console-handheld hybrid idea that replaces both the 3DS and the Wii U. Since I'm in favour of replacing the Wii U at any time it's really just a matter of how long they stick with the 3DS. I think giving it at least four years would make sense.
The Wii U in 2010, assuming Nintendo does a much better job with it, would probably have been a successful idea. The Wii even gets four years which is the same amount the Xbox got.
With the Wii U I don't think losing money over the years is the big concern. What Nintendo is losing is cultural relevence. The longer they stick with a bomb the more damage it does to their reputation and my concern is that if they wait too long no one will care if they ever release another console or not. Wait longer and NO third party will support it at all and the general public will pay no attention to it when it launches because they'll associate Nintendo with unsupported hardware, which the non-existent third party support will confirm. I'm more concerned with losing the people that don't own a Wii U then those that do. And the thing is I don't think the existing Wii U owners will be that affected. They'll be mad but I'd guess that most Wii U owners are the most die-hard Nintendo fans. If you own a Wii U and you're thrilled with it, then you'll stick with Nintendo through damn near anything. I seriously doubt that turning off Wii U owners is much of a concern. I would consider cultural and market irrelevence to be a much bigger concern.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 05, 2014, 02:05:15 PM
I would LOVE if that hybrid idea came to life, even more so if it was my Hybrid idea. I could be a true 3rd pillar with room for expansion.
But I doubt Nintendo sees it quite the same way I do.
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Post by: Adrock on May 05, 2014, 03:21:08 PM
I don't really think Nintendo is anywhere near needing to worry about cultural irrelevance. 3DS is doing well and everyone knows their properties. Sticking with Wii U for the foreseeable future isn't going to hurt Nintendo because Wii U itself isn't Nintendo's problem. Nothing changes until they do a complete 180 on all their fucky policies and decisions. Nintendo can solider on with Wii U (though maybe not as long as they'd prefer), but they have to start now with how they conduct business with other companies. It's so weird that they think their relationships are even remotely healthy or acceptable.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 05, 2014, 03:34:51 PM
The worst thing Nintendo could do is rush a new console to the market without fixing the deeper problems and have that bomb just like the Wii U. They can't wait too long, but they need to take enough time to make sure they get it right. As Adrock said, the 3DS more than keeps Nintendo relevant, and even with just Nintendo's support the Wii U will get decent exposure, if not sales, in the console market.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 05, 2014, 03:42:01 PM
If only we could be a fly on the wall of Nintendo's meeting... and have everything they say magically translated into English.
I know there is a lot going on behind the scenes (or so I hope) that we just don't know about. But I would love to see the thought/debate/discussion process to which Nintendo comes to their decisions.
They have to be aware of what's going on and not truly be in a bubble. They have to have some sort of plan that just didn't work out as they planned and not truly just burying their head in the sand followed with comments like "we are not competing w/ X & Y console....." & "we are not concerned with what our competition are doing....".
Surely they have been trying to develop some game changer tech that just hasn't quite panned out yet and is putting the master plan on hold, forcing them to push out the incomplete picture of a product with compromises made to compensate for the planned feature.
I can only assume they are aware of what the industry players think of them and their tactics, and they are aware of how the other manufacturers do business that keeps the industry turning. So I can also assume that they are actively trying to find a middle ground between what every thinks they are and who they are trying to be.
I can only assume they are fully aware of the short comings of their outdated policies and practices and are always trying to find ways to update their ways without losing who they see themselves to be in the process.
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Post by: Ian Sane on May 05, 2014, 04:49:22 PM
The worst thing Nintendo could do is rush a new console to the market without fixing the deeper problems and have that bomb just like the Wii U. They can't wait too long, but they need to take enough time to make sure they get it right. As Adrock said, the 3DS more than keeps Nintendo relevant, and even with just Nintendo's support the Wii U will get decent exposure, if not sales, in the console market.
With anything I ever suggest Nintendo do you can add "... and not **** it up" to the end. The Wii U should be replaced with what the Wii U SHOULD have been. With what a videogame console released in 2015 or 2016 or whatever year is expected to be. Specs, price, online implementation, controller, marketing strategy, OS, account system, third party policies - all should be up to par. And of course the games have to be there and with the proper resources allocated to them to have an acceptable release schedule while still offering a good product.
Obviously if Nintendo just rush released a Wii U 2 with all their assinine practices still in place it would be a huge disaster. I think we're all hoping that the Wii U is the big Nintendo wake up call where they recognize all the stupid bullshit they've been over the last several generations.
Of course if Nintendo keeps their heads up their asses what difference does it make if the Wii U successor comes out in six months or 10 years from now? Nintendo as-is will not make a console that people will want to buy. They've gone so far off the path that if they were going from LA to New York they would currently be in Argentina. Maybe that's a different topic: how many more console flops can Nintendo survive without making fundamental changes to their policies and corporate culture? I think the time for change is clearly now but that doesn't mean Nintendo will actually figure that out or will actually act on it.
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Post by: Adrock on May 05, 2014, 09:30:43 PM
I can only assume they are aware of what the industry players think of them and their tactics, and they are aware of how the other manufacturers do business that keeps the industry turning. So I can also assume that they are actively trying to find a middle ground between what every thinks they are and who they are trying to be.
I think that's precisely why Nintendo goes against the grain. Sony and Microsoft may look great to consumers and third parties, but they're playing a losing hand. Nintendo doesn't believe that business model is sustainable and I'm inclined to agree with them. That bubble is bound to burst. Nintendo's problem is that they have no filter. They don't look at the competition and pick the best parts. Nintendo just decided everything both competitors do is wrong. That's why they end up with things like Friend Codes and a Basic Set with 8 GB of solid state memory. It would be extremely beneficial for them to accept and admit the fact that other companies also have good ideas sometimes.
With anything I ever suggest Nintendo do you can add "... and not **** it up" to the end.
This applies to literally everything, not just Nintendo.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 05, 2014, 09:34:54 PM
Small point, but the Wii U 8 GB basic set doesn't look so bad when you compare it to Microsoft's entry level 360, which has 4 GB of flash memory, and also doesn't support USB drives (over 16 GB) like the Wii U does.
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Post by: Oblivion on May 05, 2014, 09:47:20 PM
It's not a point at all, considering that Xbox is $200.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on May 05, 2014, 10:09:55 PM
The problem for Nintendo is, that they are making the wrong decisions to meet the middle ground, and they have been quite foolish with HD graphics. Truthfully, Nintendo would not be in the same type of problem, IF they were able to get the games created in the first 2 years of the Wii U out in one year.
Nintendo should have been better prepared to launch games…and also be prepared to invest and provide the gamers with a variety of experiences for their platforms. They don't have to risk things with new IPs…but use the IPs they have well.
IPs and known characters are great…especially Nintendo's because they can be fit into almost any genre…but Nintendo is too careful with them. I loved Mario Strikers for the Wii, because it presented the Mario crew in a more rough and cool fashion. Imagine that art style with a Mario Paintball game. It could be Nintendo's online multiplayer game.
Nintendo needs to stop being safe, and take risks.
But further, I agree Nintendo shouldn't shoot for the moon in specs for consoles, but they shouldn't also look for the next big gimmick. It was like Nintendo saw the gimmick helped the Wii sell, and decided this next gimmick would sell the Wii U…after all it worked for the DS. However, some gimmicks catch on and others don't.
Nintendo used to be a company about refinement. I feel the SNES was a refinement and perfecting of a 2D console and a 2D controller. The N64 was in innovation console and the Gamecube was the refinement. That Gamecube controller was an amazing controller, and although some games suffered for the controller, the vast majority were awesome with it. Again the refinements were never about pushing the graphical or spec limits, but doing enough, and perfecting the experience.
However, Nintendo broke their own cycle with the Wii U. There was no refinement of motion control. No true refinement of online…just a new gimmick, and a few tweaks to the online structure.
Furthermore, Nintendo didn't take risks indeed to meet or surpass what the competition did better than them. Nintendo knew people hated Friend Codes, no universal voice chat, and many other standards….but Nintendo was too afraid of their family image…well guess what…nobody was truly worried about that. And gamers would have embraced you more if you came to the table with more for them. Nintendo needs to look at the industry and ask the hard questions….what ask the ways that Nintendo's uniqueness destroys our opportunities, and where does our uniqueness raise our opportunities?
The Blue Ocean strategy wasn't a bad strategy at all, but it could not be the only strategy. It should have been an additional strategy.
I do believe Nintendo is a crucial place in their history. They have been declining for 2 generations, and then had a huge hit with the Wii….and the buzz for Nintendo was infectious, but then the Wii U has squashed that buzz, and the Wii is looking like a fluke now. If Nintendo can not repair their relationships with 3rd parties, and can't revive their image as a home console next generation, I don't think Nintendo will have a console market in the future. And the portable market is going to be harder and harder to compete in with Smart Phones, Tablets, and other devices demanding our time.
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Post by: Soren on May 05, 2014, 11:03:35 PM
However, Nintendo broke their own cycle with the Wii U. There was no refinement of motion control. No true refinement of online…just a new gimmick, and a few tweaks to the online structure.
I'm pretty sure Nintendo refined the home console online experience from Wii to Wii U. Starting with an actual social community aspect (Miiverse vs. :confused; ?), down to the online store (Wii Shop Channel to eShop) and maybe even the online multiplayer (we'll see with MK8 and Smash Bros). Maybe the problem lies with people expecting Nintendo's home console to refine online the way the SNES refined 2D controls.
Nintendo needs to stop being safe, and take risks.
You mean releasing a console with a second screen inside the controller is not risky enough? What about taking a shot publishing a new IP from a 3rd party developer? Or hey, what about bankrolling a game nobody else wanted?
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 05, 2014, 11:39:06 PM
Nintendo may take risk, but a lot of the time they only dab their toes in the water and are never willing to just dive in.
Like the Wii, the risk was a motion controller, but they only dabbed their toes by making a GC+ instead a HDlite machine and didn't include the M+ from the get go.
The Gamepad was a risk, but they didn't take the concept far enough to sell the idea entirely. multiple pad support from the onset, multi-touch, semi-independence(?) & more features.
But the Wii U should have been the refinement of the Wiimote+, maybe adding a camera and losing the cord between it and the nunchuck. I think I had a perfectly plausible idea in the Wiimote 2.0 design I posted here some years ago, and there was more that could have been done with the concept, even if they also introduced the Gamepad into mix.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 05, 2014, 11:43:51 PM
I'd much rather have the GamePad than a Wiimote 2.0, no matter how improved it might be. Compelling motion control was pretty rare on Wii, even (arguably especially) from Nintendo themselves, and I really don't think the tech is available to make it work that much more broadly.
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Post by: nickmitch on May 06, 2014, 12:32:29 AM
You can say the first half of your second sentence about the gamepad.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 06, 2014, 02:11:53 AM
True, but even without unique functionality the GamePad offers everything a standard controller does, which makes it more acceptable to me. The Wii remote wasn't used that well as a motion controller very often, but was pretty lacking in the role it usually had as a fairly standard controller. I'm also a huge fan of Off-TV play.
Really, the best answer would've likely been to do neither, but if choosing between the two, I think they made the right one. They just needed to come up with more compelling reasons to use it. The Wii U is basically showing everyone what the Wii would've been if not for Wii Sports; Nintendo Land is more of a Wii Play, neat, but not that convincing as a showpiece for the tech.
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Post by: nickmitch on May 06, 2014, 02:27:45 AM
Yeah, off TV play is great, but it's kind of a hard sell to a generation of gamers obsessed with HD graphics.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 06, 2014, 02:35:12 AM
It also hurts that PS4-Vita remote play, at least in my experience, works pretty much just as well, as an optional thing without requiring expensive bundled hardware.
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Post by: nickmitch on May 06, 2014, 02:59:42 AM
But it does require owning a Vita.
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Post by: broodwars on May 06, 2014, 03:01:54 AM
It's not a point at all, considering that Xbox is $200.
And that the 360 is 9 years old, so the 4 GB model is intended for people buying one to play Kinect and watch Netflix (or is the other way around? :P: ).
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 06, 2014, 03:24:21 AM
It's not a point at all, considering that Xbox is $200.
And that the 360 is 9 years old, so the 4 GB model is intended for people buying one to play Kinect and watch Netflix (or is the other way around? :P: ).
Regardless of when it came out or what it costs, the Basic 8 GB Wii U was aimed at the same audience as that 360 model. A better comparison, though, would be the launch 360 Core System, aka the hard drive-less model they only released so they could say they got in under $300.
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Post by: smallsharkbigbite on May 06, 2014, 06:45:08 AM
And that the 360 is 9 years old, so the 4 GB model is intended for people buying one to play Kinect and watch Netflix (or is the other way around? :P: : : ).
I think the bigger problem is in the world of 500 GB consoles Nintendo's Deluxe included 32 GB. With the transition to digital content there should have been a harddrive.
The Gamepad was a risk, but they didn't take the concept far enough to sell the idea entirely. multiple pad support from the onset, multi-touch, semi-independence(?) & more features.
I think this is key. Most houses already had a form of tablet. The Wii U didn't match up to the existing tech leaving consumers to compare the two techs and ask why should I get a Wii U if I already have a tablet that has better touch controls and a better screen?
And my mind is blown that multiple pad support wasn't there initially. While Sony/Microsoft have pushed online play, Nintendo had quietly been cornering the market for great multiplayer experience with everybody in one room. The Gamepad doesn't seem conducive to that. One player Gamepad all other some other controller provides an uneven experience. It's cumbersome in that you have to adjust to multiple control schemes to play a single game. It's also a parent nightmare as kids will fight over which player utilizes the Gamepad.
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Post by: smallsharkbigbite on May 06, 2014, 07:50:01 AM
I think that's precisely why Nintendo goes against the grain. Sony and Microsoft may look great to consumers and third parties, but they're playing a losing hand. Nintendo doesn't believe that business model is sustainable and I'm inclined to agree with them. That bubble is bound to burst. Nintendo's problem is that they have no filter. They don't look at the competition and pick the best parts. Nintendo just decided everything both competitors do is wrong. That's why they end up with things like Friend Codes and a Basic Set with 8 GB of solid state memory. It would be extremely beneficial for them to accept and admit the fact that other companies also have good ideas sometimes.
I get that line of thinking. Sony/Microsoft aren't exactly raking in $ in the console business even with large sales. I think the problem is Nintendo's business model is failing and they never address it. Maybe their competitors model is also failing, but that doesn't absolve Nintendo from the necessary changes they need to make to show value to consumers.
Ipads stream to TV now, they get annual CPU increases, they get better games each year, and it's only a matter of time until apple releases a blutooth controller to work with it. Amazon is coming out with a $99 stream box that plays game similar to Onlive, Steamboxes are gaining popularity. The market is quickly becoming saturated with people that view gaming as an add-on and won't be leaving the market due to poor video game sales. Apple and Amazon are competitors with Nintendo now. Nintendo hasn't shown to me that they have a plan to operate in a future market with Apple/Amazon or in the current market with Sony/Microsoft. We can talk competitor failures all day, but that's not going to put Nintendo in a better position.
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Post by: Soren on May 06, 2014, 10:06:40 AM
I think the bigger problem is in the world of 500 GB consoles Nintendo's Deluxe included 32 GB. With the transition to digital content there should have been a harddrive.
I'm not going to begrudge Nintendo for their digital storage strategy. While it's true they only offered 32GB (or 8 in my case) they immediately redeemed themselves by letting me use whatever hard drive I had lying around, the extra cost being that of a Y-cable.
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Post by: Oblivion on May 06, 2014, 10:34:11 AM
Regardless of when it came out or what it costs, the Basic 8 GB Wii U was aimed at the same audience as that 360 model. A better comparison, though, would be the launch 360 Core System, aka the hard drive-less model they only released so they could say they got in under $300.
...which, like Broodwars said, was 9 freaking years ago. There's no way you can justify 8GB in 2014(13).
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Post by: Adrock on May 06, 2014, 11:04:45 AM
32 GB will probably be enough for me. I just think the choice is odd. Nintendo is asking people to pay more for less storage. Okay, fine. What are the benefits? They don't have to pay SATA licensing fees. Sure. I understand it's faster than a regular hard disc drive, but Nintendo specifically choose hardware with lesser performance. If they cite performance, that seems inconsistent to me.
Expansion via a USB hard disc drive is nice, but it's an extra expense for some people. Nintendo is over-complicating a very simple idea. Additionally, Nintendo builds flash memory into the console, but doesn't recommend it for expanding storage. What the what?
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Post by: Ian Sane on May 06, 2014, 01:23:52 PM
I'd much rather have the GamePad than a Wiimote 2.0, no matter how improved it might be. Compelling motion control was pretty rare on Wii, even (arguably especially) from Nintendo themselves, and I really don't think the tech is available to make it work that much more broadly.
I've rather have neither and just have a normal controller. I really don't care about the controller. To me it's just a matter of the controls being responsive. Does this have all the expected features? Does it have enough buttons so that I don't have to resort to weird button combos when playing multiplatform games designed for the competition's controllers? Is it ergonomic and well made and durable? It's just a tool to play the game and if I notice it after a few days of owning the console then you probably fucked up.
And I certainly would NEVER care enough that I would accept a trade-off for extra controller doodads. No controller is worth a price increase or compromised specs or a loss of functionality that previous generations offered. Controllers are practical and there are only so many new ideas that a new controller feature can introduce. At this point video games are a mature enough concept that the basic controller design has become pretty standardized. Motion control was not a new standard, it was just a nifty peripheral like a light gun that worked well for some games and worked like crap for everything else. Most controller ideas are like the analog clicky buttons on the Cube - a neat idea that gets used well in like three games and then you forget about it. And the Wii U wasn't even a new idea. What could it really do that couldn't have been done on the DS?
I want a Nintendo console where in the reveal the controller is just some background element in the promotion material that gets no extra attention because then I can assume their priorities aren't screwed up. The second a console debut presentation starts with the controller we're in trouble. Go with something conventional and if you think of a few games that need something more specialized then do what everone else does and release it as a peripheral. It won't get used much if it isn't standard? That's fine because such a concept shouldn't be standard in the first place.
Nintendo stops using wacky controllers as a crutch and they'll be forced to do something more substancial. The console will need real enhancements. The games can't just be the same old sequels now with controller X. Gimmick controllers are phoney innovation. Without them they have to come up with something truly creative.
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Post by: ShyGuy on May 06, 2014, 05:45:55 PM
Where is the News and Rumors in this thread?
Here we go: http://nintendoeverything.com/nintendo-picks-up-various-advance-trademarks-in-japan/
Wii U Advance with a back lit screen! ;)
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Post by: Spak-Spang on May 07, 2014, 01:05:25 AM
I wasn't trying to totally down Nintendo. And I think you can say that I was a little harsh saying Nintendo hasn't taken any risks or any hasn't improved online gaming at all.
They have, and some of it is interesting and perfect Nintendo. Miiverse is a good example of Nintendo doing something pretty cool.
However, BnM is correct that Nintendo seems not to go for broke with their ideas. They are usually first to the table with that new idea, but sometimes, the technology isn't truly ready yet. Wii U, should have probably waited on more generation before being released. The technology just isn't there in both price, or power to be able to run 2-4 screens at the same time.
However, Nintendo could have revised the motion controls, with a new Wiimote, that could of had a better camera, and better sensor bar. Could have had better button placements, and they could have enhanced the Nunchuk to be fully functional with motion controls as well.
Plus Nintendo could have done all this and keep it functional with almost all accessories for the original Wii, and focused on bring a better motion control experience, with a complete online structure, a complete HD experience. Nintendo wouldn't have had to go as powerful as PS4 or Xbox One, but if they would have pushed for more powerful CPU, GPU, and RAM...it would have been a boon. Also Nintendo Land could have still been the packaged game pushing Nintendo's ONLINE presence with asymmetric game play instead of the Game Pad. That and online Wii Sports launching would have been a big hit.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 07, 2014, 01:58:42 PM
Had Nintendo released a wiimote 2.0 (camera tracked/better motion) along with the Wii U, and launched with Nintendoland built in along with Wii Sports 2.0 as a free download, pushed asymetric play along with a new online Wii motion experience, I think things could have been a lot better off for Nintendo. It would allow for devs of the previous gen to refine ideas they had for games on the Wii with superior motion control and/or they could explore dual screen gaming in HD with ideas they may have had that were just too big and ambitious for the 3DS. It also would have pushed asymetric and online play from Day 1.
Had they also had universal accts on day 1, everyone making NinID's would be prompted to create/connect it to their ClubN acct, and now Nintendo can track what everyone is doing, what they are buying, what they are playing, how many players, how often, etc etc.. which would allow them to push the surveys to your inbox, allow you to track you points for participation right in the Wii U interface, and then select your prizes and whatnot without having to do much extra than select it from the ClubN channel on your Wii U.
There is so much more that Nintendo could have done with the Wii U, but it just seems like they have one foot in and one foot out, and the foot that is out is draaaaaging behind, holding everything else back. They really need to figure out what direction they are going, and then really put all they can into getting the most out of whatever that may be. The competition has laid lots of ground work that Nintendo can't continue to pretend hasn't become the baseline for expectations. I'm not saying that they can't continue to "Nintendify" everything they do, but that thing they do (mostly in reference to online) still needs to be comparable in function to what everyone else is and has been offering for close to if not more than a decade now.
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Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on May 07, 2014, 02:12:49 PM
Nintendoland Online: at launch would have been a "killer app".
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Post by: Soren on May 07, 2014, 10:49:32 PM
Nintenfinilander figurines.
Wii U saved.
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Post by: azeke on May 07, 2014, 11:49:47 PM
Upcoming Wii U update will speed up the boot process: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8czOjP-jaQc
That's nice, though i don't really mind current boot speeds. It already boots up faster than PC and Xbox even with USB hard drive connected.
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Post by: Oblivion on May 08, 2014, 12:18:08 AM
Has that quick boot menu always been there? I haven't touched my Wii U in a few months and I don't know what they've added recently.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on May 08, 2014, 12:25:10 AM
Had Nintendo released a wiimote 2.0 (camera tracked/better motion) along with the Wii U, and launched with Nintendoland built in along with Wii Sports 2.0 as a free download, pushed asymetric play along with a new online Wii motion experience, I think things could have been a lot better off for Nintendo. It would allow for devs of the previous gen to refine ideas they had for games on the Wii with superior motion control and/or they could explore dual screen gaming in HD with ideas they may have had that were just too big and ambitious for the 3DS. It also would have pushed asymetric and online play from Day 1.
Had they also had universal accts on day 1, everyone making NinID's would be prompted to create/connect it to their ClubN acct, and now Nintendo can track what everyone is doing, what they are buying, what they are playing, how many players, how often, etc etc.. which would allow them to push the surveys to your inbox, allow you to track you points for participation right in the Wii U interface, and then select your prizes and whatnot without having to do much extra than select it from the ClubN channel on your Wii U.
There is so much more that Nintendo could have done with the Wii U, but it just seems like they have one foot in and one foot out, and the foot that is out is draaaaaging behind, holding everything else back. They really need to figure out what direction they are going, and then really put all they can into getting the most out of whatever that may be. The competition has laid lots of ground work that Nintendo can't continue to pretend hasn't become the baseline for expectations. I'm not saying that they can't continue to "Nintendify" everything they do, but that thing they do (mostly in reference to online) still needs to be comparable in function to what everyone else is and has been offering for close to if not more than a decade now.
I disagree about the motion controls and Wii U tablet. I think the problem is a mixed message. Does anybody really know what is the main control method of the Wii U. Obviously single player is the Gamepad, but then you have the Wiimotes and sometimes the new Classic Controller, which adds new features to the controller just because...forcing a new purchase, then there is the old classic controller, and then there is the Wiimote + nunchuk combos.
It is pretty silly.
I think clean starts are important for new generations. This is why I think the technology is not yet ready for a streaming controller like Nintendo created, because it can't be used with 4 controllers at a time, It can't be produced and sold cheaply.
Nintendo should have created the Wiimote 2.0 and refined perfect that controller. It should be usable with other accessories like the balance board, classic controllers and such...however, Nintendo should have clearly stated that the old Wii controller won't work and separate it. Finally, the Nunchuk 2.0 should be included in every new controller period.
Motion controllers weren't perfect, but they were not broken either. And motion controls are what made the blue ocean strategy work. It was interesting and fun for people. Nintendo failed to see that it wasn't in need of a new gimmick, but it was in need to pushing the gimmick further and perfecting it.
And Yes, Nintendo Land online with Wii Sports Zone built into the experience with Wiimote 2.0 as a launch game would have basically helped the Wii U launch more than anything. They could have even withheld some games for additional download content.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 08, 2014, 12:56:47 AM
We are on the same page, I stated that motion control refinement should have been a priority even if they were to also introduce the gamepad.
But the Wii U should have been the refinement of the Wiimote+, maybe adding a camera and losing the cord between it and the nunchuck. I think I had a perfectly plausible idea in the Wiimote 2.0 design I posted here some years ago, and there was more that could have been done with the concept, even if they also introduced the Gamepad into mix.
I also agree that the GamePad is a half baked ill thought out concept that falls short of potential. But I don't need to restate that anymore.
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Post by: Fatty The Hutt on May 09, 2014, 03:01:25 PM
Quote from: Iwata
we incurred temporary one-off expenses from the purchase of technology that we did not expect at the beginning of the fiscal year
Some reports are saying Nintendo spent $100 million on some "mystery tech". (http://o.canada.com/technology/gaming/nintendo-spends-100-million-on-acquiring-something) What could it be? Let the speculation begin!
It is interesting to note that, but for the "mystery tech" investment (if true) Nintendo's operating losses would have been close to half of what is reported.
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Post by: Ian Sane on May 09, 2014, 03:15:32 PM
Whatever the mystery tech is I'm guessing it is something that Nintendo themselves are much more impressed by than anyone else. I would like to be pleasantly surprised but Nintendo's recent trend is to build their systems around a nifty tech gimmick. They thought glasses-free 3D would be the bee's knees but it really didn't impress that much, to the point that they're okay with releasing a 3DS without it. I'm guessing this is the hot new gimmick Nintendo is hoping will make their next project a big success, which unfortunately means they haven't really learned from the Wii U and the 3DS's slow start. It might not be a whole system idea but a peripheral like the Wii Fit balance board.
The most insane idea I can think of that actually could be a big hit would be mind control. I don't know if that would be feasible but that would create a Wii Sports style frenzy if it was done half-decently. Lamer wacky idea - smellovision.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 09, 2014, 03:56:09 PM
I'm going to assume that it is something extremely lame and unrelated to whatever we want it to be. Like some small chip maker that makes some specialized chip that we wouldn't notice if they didn't tell us it was in there.
That should keep expectations firmly in check.
Having said that, I hope that maybe they acquired a company that has expertise in networking, account & media management that will help them unify all their systems under a single log-in and account for each user. Someone that will help bring all Nintendo's future efforts up to par with similarly marketed entertainment devices.
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Post by: Fatty The Hutt on May 09, 2014, 05:06:57 PM
Some have speculated that the fact the expenditure was "unexpected" means it relates to settling lawsuits. Others cliam this is not so. As this is the internet< that last sentence was redundant. Apologies
The most insane idea I can think of that actually could be a big hit would be mind control. I don't know if that would be feasible but that would create a Wii Sports style frenzy if it was done half-decently.
Aw yeah, that'd be suh-weet. Like Firefox! (http://youtu.be/sYh9_QmNwRA) Maybe they could get Clint Eastwood to help sell it.
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Post by: marvel_moviefan_2012 on May 09, 2014, 06:54:13 PM
What if it is a new VR headset that will compete with Occulus?
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Post by: Shaymin on May 09, 2014, 07:22:44 PM
No VR company worth a damn would go for $100m when Oculus got $2b. It would be MINIMUM a half billion.
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Post by: Adrock on May 09, 2014, 07:43:01 PM
Occulus got $2 billion from the same company that spent $19 billion on WhatsApp. While I think $100 million is low for a virtual reality company, should we be using Occulus as a reasonable comparison?
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Post by: marvel_moviefan_2012 on May 09, 2014, 10:00:09 PM
Nintendo doesn't need a whole VR company, just better technology to what they already have.
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Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on May 10, 2014, 07:44:56 AM
I think it deals in compression of large files for local wireless transfer and This Guy>>Professor Hiroyuki Shinoda.
That is what I think.
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Post by: Soren on May 16, 2014, 04:16:35 PM
Straight from the "duh" files: Digital Trends confirm the Wii U is absolute king when it comes to power-consumption. So...there's that at least.
To me is just sounds like another case of Nintendo focusing on all the wrong things for the right reasons.
Where they needed to do something new and different, they didn't need to do it at the expense of the things we already loved and expected to be improved upon. This is the story of Iwata and his Wii U.
I knew that statement would come in handy again soon.
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Post by: Ian Sane on May 16, 2014, 05:57:24 PM
Nintendo's obsession with power consumption is so insane that I'm surprised the Wii U doesn't use a hand crank to power it. Considering that they completely fucked up their third party and end up designing an underpowered product that the market is soundly rejecting so they can have low power consumption then, yeah, they damn well better have the best. Basically Nintendo can do anything they put their mind to... they just put their mind to really idiotic things that matter to literally no one but themselves.
I find it odd that they don't advertise their console as green. Why is this such a priority if the general public has no idea that all the numerous concessions and compromises were necessary to accomodate it? They could be the green console but instead they're just the underpowered one. That's like making diet soda but not advertising it so everyone just thinks you make shitty tasting soda. Of course I question how many sales you'll get from being the green console and that's why the whole priority is idiotic to begin with. If the competing consoles sucked enough juice that it made your energy bill unaffordable then Nintendo would be on to something but that isn't the case.
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Post by: Soren on May 16, 2014, 06:41:52 PM
Here's the full report, with some extra charts and stuff thrown in. http://www.nrdc.org/energy/game-consoles/files/video-game-consoles-IP.pdf
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 16, 2014, 06:56:03 PM
I'd be ok if they aimed for 100w at full draw. Gimping the system to max out at 37w is kinda ridiculous when it keeps you from competing a way that is expect for a "benefit" no one is aware of, doesn't really care about, isn't being advertised, and not obviously being done to make the console a handheld/portable in a future revision. So really, it's like Ian said, it's a kinda pointless trade-off.
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Post by: Soren on May 16, 2014, 07:30:22 PM
I'd be ok if they aimed for 100w at full draw. Gimping the system to max out at 37w is kinda ridiculous when it keeps you from competing a way that is expect for a "benefit" no one is aware of, doesn't really care about, isn't being advertised, and not obviously being done to make the console a handheld/portable in a future revision.
It's classic Nintendo. Too insular for its own good. An early Wii U prototype probably delivered some high usage numbers and it freaked out people at the company to the point that they made power-consumption a top priority in the console. Because they only had their (insanely) low numbers to gauge it they completely missed the point of giving it a little extra juice.
The fact that power usage is basically the same if you're playing a game or not also just goes to show how piss poor the OS is.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on May 16, 2014, 09:16:55 PM
Who cares about power consumption anyway? If you leave your Xbone on 24 hours a day it'll cost like $30/yr.
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Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on May 16, 2014, 10:27:29 PM
In Japan power consumption is a far bigger deal than anywhere else Iv'e been. I don't know why that is but I know it's been like this for a very long time. Also, I think 250watts, which the wiiu is no where close to requirers a different plug on the back of the system. Plus the kooky engineers are always trying to push the limits of form factor.
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Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on May 16, 2014, 10:42:56 PM
Occulus got $2 billion from the same company that spent $19 billion on WhatsApp. While I think $100 million is low for a virtual reality company, should we be using Occulus as a reasonable comparison?
Honestly, I think Facebook is artificially driving the price up on these tech start ups. Their overspending shouldn't be a strong indicator of value. Plus, the market readiness of the technology has to be a factor. A company still stuck on how to make people think their gizmo is the bees' knees would go for $100M, where as a company with a user base can go for a lot more.
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Post by: marvel_moviefan_2012 on May 20, 2014, 10:38:43 PM
Why do I get the feeling Nintendo is going to release the console we all want, in these new emerging markets, and then try to prop up the Wii U with these figurines?
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Post by: ShyGuy on May 21, 2014, 12:38:31 AM
I think it's just going to be another iQue system with demo games loaded in. (I would really like an iQue though)
http://nintendo.wikia.com/wiki/IQue_Player
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Post by: nickmitch on May 21, 2014, 09:52:44 AM
I'm sure it'll be a little beefier than the iQue. Nintendo can probably leverage what they've learned from the eShop to set up a separate online store front and sell some eShop titles and VC games. I'm sure they'll still use the kiosk method to sell higher end games though. Maybe even add some online play?
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Post by: Ian Sane on May 21, 2014, 01:07:22 PM
Why do I get the feeling Nintendo is going to release the console we all want, in these new emerging markets, and then try to prop up the Wii U with these figurines?
I doubt Nintendo is going to want to support different platforms for the different markets. They spread themselves thin just supporting both a console and handheld.
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Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on May 21, 2014, 02:36:18 PM
In places like china and india, it will be as close to a Wii Mini as financially possible. In China they haven't had a real system in decades. I'm pretty sure they can squeeze another 5 years out of the wii in those places.
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Post by: Soren on May 23, 2014, 05:42:13 PM
Just a video of a NASCAR race-car getting Mario Kart 8 decals.
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Post by: Shaymin on May 23, 2014, 09:46:36 PM
It'll be the best rolling advertisement since Dogecoin.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: azeke on May 28, 2014, 04:24:19 AM
(http://cdn02.nintendo-europe.com/media/images/02_top_banners/games_2/wiiu_download_software/TB_WiiUDS_PullbloxWorld_C.png) Pullblox World (250+ new levels) hitting June 19. Japanese video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUe7dLRAMGY Personally, i don't plan to buy it, but i am interested that they're also gonna discount previous 3ds games starting tomorrow. Also Chibi Robo 3ds game is coming out here on 3rd of July.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Shaymin on May 28, 2014, 08:17:20 AM
Confirmed for NA as well. $9.99 regular price, June 19.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 29, 2014, 03:00:46 AM
Did NWR review this with Mario Kart 8!? Might've bumped the score to an 8.5 ;)
(http://abload.de/img/007pgjk1.jpg)
Nintendo's E3 surprise is that they sold out.
Dat German engineering though... Heil Hydra
Edit: oh, and DLC confirmed (this one is free)
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: azeke on May 29, 2014, 03:05:08 AM
The ad is hilarious: (http://a.pomf.se/jceeid.gif)
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 29, 2014, 03:09:08 AM
Yeah, if that's Mario, I can't wait to see Luigi.
Edit: and they better not make me buy Block Fort.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: azeke on May 29, 2014, 03:18:22 AM
An official Mario level editor? If true, I'll be so ecstatic. I've been wanting Nintendo to do this for decades, and I can't believe it's finally possibly happening! The touchscreens on the 3DS and Gamepad are perfect for this.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Oblivion on June 05, 2014, 07:20:41 PM
Why did you make two threads about it when you could have just posted it here? And considering you did, I don't see the point.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Adrock on June 05, 2014, 08:56:48 PM
Why did you make two threads about it when you could have just posted it here? And considering you did, I don't see the point.
Well, because he thought it was good sport. Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Phil on June 05, 2014, 08:59:59 PM
Ah! I get that reference, Adrock! :D
Shoeless Joe Jackson said that to Ray Kinsella near the end of Field of Dreams! :)
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Stogi on June 08, 2014, 01:44:44 PM
Was that before or after Crocodile Dundee played basketball?
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Spak-Spang on June 08, 2014, 09:45:09 PM
Back on target.
I like the idea of a Mario Maker, and I could see how this could incorporate the figures to unlock playable characters. Think Super Mario Crossover, but official.
I also love this idea for developing the Retro homebrew crowd. Now, Nintendo could even sell a Nintendo Maker and the figurines unlock what games and characters you can make. Obviously the Mario Maker could be free...but you should buy a Mario figure for Super Nintendo sprites.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: the asylum on June 09, 2014, 12:00:04 AM
If Mario Maker is real (pixels, photoshops, etc), I wonder how much depth it will have. I myself have fooled around extensively with Valve's Hammer Editor (which is really primitive compared to other editors like UnrealEd) and made some TF2 maps, so I'd like to think my skill ceiling is as high as my ambition ceiling.
Obviously doing things like importing custom textures isn't going to happen (or will it? There is a USB port on the console after all...), so I'm thinking it's going to be some copy-paste job with pre-made assets, like SSBB's stage maker. Which would be kind of disappointing for me- I like to do some very very strange things in my TF2 maps... (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBo13lBbHdI)
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Soren on June 09, 2014, 02:23:01 PM
NintendoLife reveals that Shantae and the Pirate's Curse will get a Wii U release, coming late summer 2014.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Khushrenada on June 09, 2014, 11:44:28 PM
Why did you make two threads about it when you could have just posted it here? And considering you did, I don't see the point.
And thank goodness he did because it proves my point. What point is that? That megathreads are stifling conversation and we need an influx of smaller threads. As I stated in Tendoboy's thread:
Quote from: Khushrenada Super Genius
I'm all for thread creation and proliferation even if a thread is only good for 1 or two posts.
Here's the proof:
Tendoboy's thread (I can only find 1 thread made by him on this subject by the way) - http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=44664.0
Phil's thread in Handheld - http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=44669.0
Curtdogg's in Talkback (which I think has the best comment of all which is made by stevey) - http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=44667.0
You'll notice that despite being the same subject, the tone and discussion in all of them is different. If there is only 1 thread, then chances are half these comments don't exist or ever get made. Look at the scintillating discussion that is made about this game/news/topic in this thread which is considered the "right" thread. Yeah.....
In fact, this little event even triggered a Funhouse name change and a Funhouse thread - http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=44681.0
You think that happens when all topics and conversations are funneled into 10 threads designated to handle all discussion?
Much like how the longer generation life seemed to adversely affect the videogame industry into creative stagnation (feel free to now counter with examples a, b, and c after reading this), this idea of continually feeding threads with a new point because it fits the generic theme is also leading to a conversation stagnation and a reduction of comments and makes it feel as if there is nothing new going on.
I may have bemoaned last year how the console discussion forum was nothing but Wii U bashing and a constant reposting of people saying the same thing over and over but can you imagine if there had been one thread titled "Wii U criticism"? The console discussion main page topics probably wouldn't have changed for the whole year as everyone just kept posting in the one thread. The reason people kept reposting the same thing is because they had the chance to do so in a new conversation on the topic. And you know what? I kept reading and following them because they were new threads and conversations while I probably would have stopped if it was just in one thread.
Not all megathreads are bad. There's nothing wrong with rating the last movie you saw in a thread or the Sony getting hit hard lately when they used to have a bad news day every day for awhile. Those threads are based on a topic that has stayed the same since its inception and are a perfect way of allowing people to post something that could be iffy as a signal topic (although part of me wonders what would happen if that were tried). But do we really need to have a topic where the thread title gets changed every so often because of a new story that slightly fits what was last posted in it? And if people are changing the title of the thread, isn't that an indication that maybe a new thread should just be made instead? Do we still need to have the Wii U News and Rumor Consolidation thread? Isn't that what this forum now is? Last generation, we had a whole forum designated for Smash Bros. Brawl discussions. Why'd we do that when we could have just made one single thread for it like we're doing now? Do you really think this is a better method for generating forum usage/interest or for attracting and keeping new forum users? Obviously, Nintendo sales and marketshare and age are going to be a factor but I would say that the situation of the forums from 8 years ago compared to today indicates that this is not the best solution.
There's nothing in the rules that states all conversation on a matter must be 1 thread only. In fact, this rule, (which I may be breaking at this moment)
Quote from: NWR Authorities
Do not "derail" threads. Do not intentionally change the subject of a thread or purposefully turn a thread in an unnecessarily negative direction. If it made you think of a good topic you really want to discuss, make a new thread.
indicates that thread creation should be the goal as well. Don't try to fit all conversation on a matter into one thread but if there are offshoots of it, make a new thread and let it grow. In fact, the only place that has a rule stifling thread creation is the Reader Review section which states on the Forum main page - "Please keep it to one topic per game; just add your review to the thread." which I think is a terrible idea and I make a petition right now for the abolishment of that rule since that forum is hardly used or that busy to need it nor is it fair to anyone who would like to review and post a game in that forum. If User A writes a 2 sentence review of a game and says it sucks which causes some 30 posts to be made about it, why should User B's 8 paragraph better written positive review then be forced to become the next post in that topic and get lost in it?
Yes, I could have made this post somewhere else and maybe I should since it probably won't be noticed by 80% of the users on this forum if they don't regularly click on this thread to see the latest posts (I'm afraid I don't always do that) but it might reach some and maybe it will cause them to join me in breaking from this habit of trying to limit thread creation or critiquing other users of creating a thread on a matter when it could be posted in a semi-related thread on the subject and hopefully it rubs off on others.
There is ample proof that Thread Creation is better than Thread Categorization.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Oblivion on June 10, 2014, 01:01:36 AM
Damn dude, you sure do take the forum politics seriously.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Khushrenada on June 10, 2014, 01:16:51 AM
Damn dude, you sure do take the forum politics seriously.
I've spent a lot of time here. It's been part of my internet routine now for close to 10 years. While others have left in a huff or faded away, I've stuck around because I still like it. I like the staff, their articles and other users on here. As such, I just want to see this place survive and thrive. Why shouldn't I be passionate about something I like? It's not forum politics that I take seriously. It's the forum's well-being itself.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Soren on June 10, 2014, 09:38:12 PM
Wii U Game Pad activated a few minutes ago, gave me this screen.
(http://i.imgur.com/kcLVWXn.jpg)
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: BranDonk Kong on June 11, 2014, 09:53:58 PM
I got that too, part of the new System Update. Pretty cool that they can do stuff like that now, and I'm tempted to bite on some of those deals.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: azeke on June 13, 2014, 06:00:57 AM
Brain Training DS game out on European eShop for free. I wonder how book layout is gonna work there...
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: azeke on August 26, 2014, 09:10:23 AM
POKKEN TOURNAMENT
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Shaymin on August 26, 2014, 10:08:01 AM
Finally, a Tekken game where having a playable panda (http://http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pangoro) isn't out of left field.
I look forward to wearing out my Gamepad in 2015, but I hope training mode uses Blissey as the tackling dummy.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Sarail on August 26, 2014, 05:19:00 PM
I made a list earlier in the year concerning Pokkén Tournament's roster. 29 Fighting types, if you just stick with final evo forms - which would be a great selection for a Tekken-based roster.
Though, we've already been given confirmation of non-fighting types being included.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: azeke on September 08, 2014, 02:05:33 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/UAuIkX3.jpg) Treehouse will be doing basically repeat of E3 this Friday.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: BranDonk Kong on September 08, 2014, 02:43:41 PM
JFC, did Lucariofan99 teach you how to post images?
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Khushrenada on September 08, 2014, 02:54:54 PM
That's not the Lucariofan99 style. He posts them too small to be able to read them properly. This is the opposite where it is too big to read it properly. Hi-yooooooo!
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: BranDonk Kong on September 08, 2014, 03:03:27 PM
Ok, did Bizarro Lucariofan99 teach you then?
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Khushrenada on September 08, 2014, 05:49:44 PM
Bizarro Lucariofan99 would be able to teach him and anyone else on the forums how to correctly use them (except regular Lucariofan99, of course) and how to post large pictures as he'd be very knowledgable and articulate. He'd be the funniest poster here and we'd all have funhouse threads for him where we'd post meme's we think he'd find funny. Of course, because he's Bizarro Lucariofan99, he'd never actually join up and participate on these forums or like this community so it is not worth thinking about.
Sigh. We miss you Bizarro Lucariofan99. Please join up one day.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Stratos on September 08, 2014, 06:14:45 PM
You know you are just asking for Lucario to create another alt, right?
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: NWR_insanolord on September 08, 2014, 06:31:03 PM
I will not stand for Lucariofan making another alt, but I'd be fine with him creating 4 or 5 of them and supporting all of them without acknowledging they're all him.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 08, 2014, 07:17:21 PM
SUPER Lucariofan....!?
Just because he could, doesn't mean he should... some things should never be.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Khushrenada on September 08, 2014, 07:32:40 PM
I will not stand for Lucariofan making another alt, but I'd be fine with him creating 4 or 5 of them and supporting all of them without acknowledging they're all him.
Oh, the things you'll stoop to just to be able to show the staff there's been growth on the forums with you as the community manager.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: NWR_insanolord on September 08, 2014, 07:35:45 PM
The rest of the staff would have to occasionally come to the forums for them to notice that, so it's not a huge issue.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Khushrenada on September 08, 2014, 07:58:42 PM
I would love if another staff member like Johnny or Neal came on and posted that they do notice what is going on in the forums and gave you a temp ban for your disturbing lack of faith in them.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: NWR_insanolord on September 08, 2014, 09:29:49 PM
I was kind of hoping for that too, but apparently I was right and no one else on staff wants anything to do with the forums, especially the parts written by that Khushrenada guy.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Khushrenada on September 08, 2014, 10:12:51 PM
Ugh. He's the worst. That's why I only use the Podcast Discussion forum. It is like the only place he doesn't post in or frequent. There's got to be a way we can lock him out of more forums. His ego is out of control. And this is a place where Insanolord is Community Manager with admin powers. That's saying something.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: NWR_insanolord on September 08, 2014, 10:17:04 PM
Just imagine what the forums would be like if I got my admin powers when I was supposed to and not when Aaron just wanted me to stop bugging him. Think of all the possibilities of what may have been.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Stratos on September 08, 2014, 10:47:43 PM
Don't dwell on the past. Focus on the future potential. That is where greatness lies!
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: azeke on September 08, 2014, 11:37:15 PM
I posted this pic from Wii U and relied on forum to scale the image properly.
Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Soren on December 02, 2014, 11:24:34 PM
Nintendo games nominated for the silly Game Awards thing.
Bayonetta 2 - GOTY, Best Action/Adventure Game Mario Kart 8 - Best Family Game, Best Sports/Racing Game SSB for 3DS - Best Mobile/Handheld Game, Best Fighting Game Bravely Default - Best Mobile/Handheld Game, Best RPG SSB for Wii U - Best Fighting Game Tomodachi Life - Best Family Game Pokemon ORAS - Best Remaster Nintendo - Developer of the Year
Games released on Nintendo platforms Shovel Knight - Best Indie Game Child of Light - Best Score/Soundtrack Disney Infinty 2.0 - Best Family Game Skylanders Trap Team - Best Family Game
Mario Kart 8 got hosed on the Best Score/Soundtrack category.
Also theres a fan vote category called "Best Fan Creation". The top three currently leading the voting are 1) Twitch Plays Pokemon 2) Luigi Death Stare 3) Best Zelda Rap Ever
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Khushrenada on December 03, 2014, 07:47:14 PM
Wait! So we have a Wii U rumour thread and a Nintendo Rumour thread? Why is BlackNMild2k1 being allowed to run wild with duplicate threads?
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 03, 2014, 10:30:08 PM
Actually, there was a rumor thread, for all Nintendo related rumors, and then there was this thread, where I could single out all the Wii U related rumors and the news that confirmed them true/false.
Next I'm gonna made a Rumor Announcement thread, where we post all the announcements of upcoming announcements leaked as rumors. Then once they officially announce the rumor, we can post it in the rumor thread. And if it's Wii U related, we can also post it in this thread. It will be glorious!!! just get onboard. don't fight it.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: ShyGuy on December 05, 2014, 09:10:45 PM
Miyamoto is on the Game Awards. Mario Maker info. SMB, SMB3, SMW, and NSMB styles shown. May become a series.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: BranDonk Kong on December 05, 2014, 11:52:01 PM
Footage from Zelda shown, very boring footage. What a terrible way to introduce the game.
Title: Re: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)
Post by: Luigi Dude on December 06, 2014, 12:53:46 AM
Footage from Zelda shown, very boring footage. What a terrible way to introduce the game.
Yeah because they should have shown the entire game including the ending right now. ::) Be grateful we even got any footage at all considering Nintendo could have just easily waited until E3 like they normally do.
