Gaming Forums => General Gaming => Topic started by: Caterkiller on January 16, 2009, 07:51:25 PM
Title: Sonic Team cares not for Sonic.
Post by: Caterkiller on January 16, 2009, 07:51:25 PM
Take a look at this article. http://www.tssznews.com/2009/01/05/the-blog-sega-doesnt-want-you-to-read/
No wonder Sonic games come out so often and stink like there is no tomorrow. Sonic Team is board, and just doesn't care any more. And to think, Knights was going to be on 360, but had a year to make a turn around on Wii, no wonder it stunk up the joint.
I feel sorry for the entire crew, and now I truely have no hope for Sonic games. Watch the Black Knight game be THE game to own this year, hahaha.
Title: Re: Sonic Team cares not for Sonic.
Post by: EasyCure on January 16, 2009, 08:45:54 PM
Did anyone else really care for Sonic at this point though? I liked SH2 and 3 when i was a kid (though it never held a candle to anything i had on my SNES) but then **** like Sonic 3d-Blast and Sonic CD turned me off to the series. Good thing too after seeing the crap thats been put out for it in the past few years.
Title: Re: Sonic Team cares not for Sonic.
Post by: nickmitch on January 16, 2009, 10:05:49 PM
I wanted to. I really did. But it's like being in a bad relationship. You love the person that they WERE, but not what they are now. You see them try, but not put in any effort. Then they stop caring. Then you stop caring. Then your relationship slowly dies, and you're forced to break it off.
Title: Re: Sonic Team cares not for Sonic.
Post by: EasyCure on January 16, 2009, 10:15:35 PM
You stop caring twice?
You forgot the part where you cheat on them with their younger, more open and xtreme sibling cuz she likes to shoot guns n ****. Then you realize how wrong you were, not for cheating but for cheating with something even MORE horrible.
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Post by: Peachylala on January 16, 2009, 10:56:47 PM
NiGHTS: Journey of Dreams had what it took to be great, but everyone knew it was rushed. It might have worked better on the 360 and PS3 due to the rounded control stick, but considering how stupid the design was in JoD, I wonder if people would bother with it if it was a 360/PS3 game.
And releasing it during the period of Mario Galaxy's release? Stupidest move ever.
Title: Re: Sonic Team cares not for Sonic.
Post by: Spinnzilla on January 16, 2009, 11:29:57 PM
Let capcom develop the next sonic game and have Sega just publish it. Capcom's batting average is pretty high.
Title: Re: Sonic Team cares not for Sonic.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 16, 2009, 11:41:26 PM
In all fairness, the Sonic games post "Secret Rings" have been pretty good.
But I do believe Sonic Team needs to take a break from making yearly Sonic games and concentrate on making ONE good effort. You know, like Nintendo does it.
As much as I enjoyed Unleashed they do need to focus on Sonic and JUST Sonic.
Title: Re: Sonic Team cares not for Sonic.
Post by: Gylldas on January 17, 2009, 12:09:40 AM
Wow. Reading this and looking back at the old Sonic X-treme dilemma on the Saturn really shines a bad light on sega. Seems after Sonic CD being a sonic team developer has been pure hell.
Title: Re: Sonic Team cares not for Sonic.
Post by: WuTangTurtle on January 17, 2009, 04:36:45 PM
In all fairness, the Sonic games post "Secret Rings" have been pretty good.
But I do believe Sonic Team needs to take a break from making yearly Sonic games and concentrate on making ONE good effort. You know, like Nintendo does it.
As much as I enjoyed Unleashed they do need to focus on Sonic and JUST Sonic.
I agree Sonic Team should definitely take a break from the yearly Sonic releases and......wait a minute did u just say you enjoyed Sonic Unleashed!? Na you obviously meant Star Wars the Force Unleashed.......oh wait that was terrible too....ah I know it must've been Jaws Unleashed http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDkqZ9px-Dc ;D
Title: Re: Sonic Team cares not for Sonic.
Post by: Peachylala on January 17, 2009, 10:11:35 PM
Wow. Reading this and looking back at the old Sonic X-treme dilemma on the Saturn really shines a bad light on sega of Japan. Seems after Sonic CD being a sonic team developer has been pure hell.
No, no. It became pure hell supposedly after Yuji Naka didn't want any non-Japanese people at STi developing Sonic 3. Also, the game was also rushed to. Why else would they release Sonic and Knuckles? Simple, Sonic 3 was not complete. Without Knuckles, Sonic 3 is just the ying without the yang.
Added the true fact to your post.
Title: Re: Sonic Team cares not for Sonic.
Post by: Spak-Spang on January 17, 2009, 10:50:09 PM
Jaws Unleashed you play as the Shark? That is just WRONG!!!
Title: Re: Sonic Team cares not for Sonic.
Post by: LuigiHann on January 17, 2009, 11:25:05 PM
It might really suck to be the “Game Evaluator” guy at Sonic Team. He probably wrote up so many reports about games not being good enough, complete with his suggestions to fix them, which were then completely ignored.
Title: Re: Sonic Team cares not for Sonic.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 17, 2009, 11:28:15 PM
In all fairness, the Sonic games post "Secret Rings" have been pretty good.
But I do believe Sonic Team needs to take a break from making yearly Sonic games and concentrate on making ONE good effort. You know, like Nintendo does it.
As much as I enjoyed Unleashed they do need to focus on Sonic and JUST Sonic.
I agree Sonic Team should definitely take a break from the yearly Sonic releases and......wait a minute did u just say you enjoyed Sonic Unleashed!? Na you obviously meant Star Wars the Force Unleashed.......oh wait that was terrible too....ah I know it must've been Jaws Unleashed http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDkqZ9px-Dc ;D
Yes, I enjoyed "Sonic Unleashed".
In my honest opinion, "Unleashed" is not as bad as people make it out to be. Maybe its because I never expected "Unleashed" to be the one game that saved the entire franchise, but compared to the games that came after Sonic Adventure 2 its quite polished and shows that Sonic Team understands to a certain degree what it takes to get it right.
I do agree, however, that there are too many werehog levels and there's no real balance between the two gameplay levels. First, its as if the daytime stages actually play second fiddle to the werehog levels. It should have been the other way around. Second, the daytime levels seem to last shorter than the werehog levels. Again, no real balance. Finally, the story progression is quite slow.
But still, its a much polished effort that proves that Sonic Team can do a solid 3D Sonic. Its just that they still can't let go of some annoying tendencies, like gimmicks and extra characters.
Title: Re: Sonic Team cares not for Sonic.
Post by: WuTangTurtle on January 18, 2009, 01:06:00 AM
It might really suck to be the “Game Evaluator” guy at Sonic Team. He probably wrote up so many reports about games not being good enough, complete with his suggestions to fix them, which were then completely rejected.
*fixed
Title: Re: Sonic Team cares not for Sonic.
Post by: KDR_11k on January 18, 2009, 04:53:15 AM
From what I heard the werehog levels were filler to pad the game time because they felt the game was too short. No surprise they're taking more time. Sonic moves fast so he can burn through levels pretty quickly. That approach doesn't transfer well to core gaming since core games are expected to have constant progression and a long playtime. Sonic is only feasible an arcade-style game because only without constant progression can the game be filled with enough content. Besides, alternative routes through levels aren't very useful when levels are finish-and-forget anyway.
Title: Re: Sonic Team cares not for Sonic.
Post by: Plugabugz on January 18, 2009, 07:29:26 AM
So KDR would it be a better experience if it was a 5-10 hour WiiWare game rather than a 10-15 full-priced retail game?
Title: Re: Sonic Team cares not for Sonic.
Post by: ShyGuy on January 18, 2009, 09:09:17 AM
Sonic should be a pure racing game were you earn cash to build up his shoes. Rear perspective only. Bring back the art style of the levels in the Genesis games too.
Title: Re: Sonic Team cares not for Sonic.
Post by: KDR_11k on January 18, 2009, 10:03:19 AM
So KDR would it be a better experience if it was a 5-10 hour WiiWare game rather than a 10-15 full-priced retail game?
Well, people complained that the werehog levels sucked but the regular levels were good... An interview estimated the length at 3 hours or less for only regular levels. I don't think it'd fit on WiiWare but it could probably have been changed to use the classic structure (i.e. you start at the beginning every time and game over means game over, of course 3 hours would still be pretty long then) and then be sold at retail, no idea how well that would be received by the hardcore market though.
Title: Re: Sonic Team cares not for Sonic.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 18, 2009, 02:23:14 PM
It doesn't really matter cuz the non-casual market doesn't drive Sonic's sales. Kids do.
Sega doesn't need to worry about catering to the minority.
=D
Title: Re: Sonic Team cares not for Sonic.
Post by: KDR_11k on January 18, 2009, 03:11:59 PM
Aren't kids core?
Title: Re: Sonic Team cares not for Sonic.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 18, 2009, 04:27:18 PM
Kids are non-casual casuals.
Title: Re: Sonic Team cares not for Sonic.
Post by: Mikintosh on January 19, 2009, 12:03:45 AM
Sonic used to be Mario with speed and attitude; now it's just Mario with significantly less polish and horrible cameras. And I don't mind all the extra characters, but they're never imbued with enough personality to make them or their world interesting. If people didn't have such fond memories of the old Genesis games, the current Sonic games would bomb terribly, as the core experiences are consistently mediocre. It's like Sonic games pre-'99 and post-'99 were done by completely different companies.
I'd like it if they just finished/remade Sonic X-Treme. 2 1/2-D seems the way to go for the franchise.
Title: Re: Sonic Team cares not for Sonic.
Post by: Peachylala on January 19, 2009, 12:13:30 PM
Quote from: NinGurl69 *huggles
Kids are non-casual casuals.
This is the greatest answer I've ever read.
Quote from: Mikintosh
Sonic used to be Mario with speed and attitude; now it's just Mario with significantly less polish and horrible cameras.
And horrible stories.
Title: Re: Sonic Team cares not for Sonic.
Post by: Ian Sane on January 19, 2009, 01:58:57 PM
What's interesting is Sonic could get really good again and I would never notice. I don't even pay attention to the series anymore. For all I know I would like the "bad" Sonic games. I don't know even know what they play like. I just thought Sonic Adventure 2 was decent but flawed with it's stupid non-Sonic parts and was in a "well let's see if they come back from this" mood. Then Sonic Heroes came out and got creamed in the reviews and I figured "I guess they couldn't" and I haven't played a Sonic game since.
Title: Re: Sonic Team cares not for Sonic.
Post by: Caterkiller on January 19, 2009, 03:38:44 PM
Ian Sane, you did yourself a favor. I on the other hand get drawn in every single time, and torture myself.
Though I do enjoy the day stages in unleashed I just can't sit through 10 minutes of night.
Title: Re: Sonic Team cares not for Sonic.
Post by: KDR_11k on January 19, 2009, 05:37:58 PM
I think that's the concensus, the day stages were great but the damn werehog fucked it all up. Sega in a nutshell: If it ain't broken, heap ideas on it until it is.
Title: Re: Sonic Team cares not for Sonic.
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 19, 2009, 10:06:05 PM
