Topic: Everything Android - The Official Android Thread

[BranDonk Kong]

A lady came in the shop asking about unlocked GSM phones so I convinced her to get a Moto G (she got the 16GB version). I played with it for a few minutes and it was pretty damn snappy!

[Plugabugz]

A lady came in the shop asking about unlocked GSM phones so I convinced her to get a Moto G (she got the 16GB version). I played with it for a few minutes and it was pretty damn snappy!

I managed to grab a 8gb Moto G for my aunt for christmas. They screwed up the order so i got £20 off, so i paid £65 ($100) in total for it. It's a superb phone AND KitKat has already started to roll out to it.

[shingi_70]

The moto G will probably be considered the bigger success of the two motorola phones. The Moto X launch was mishandled in so many ways. The Moto G should really start to see big gains next year.


I think this year will be considered the year where Google learned about aggressive advertising. We saw it a bit last year with the first nexus 7, but I've actively seen all over the web and TV google promoting the nexus line of products, the chrome products, and Google Now. 


What Google learned this year i'm pretty sure Microsoft will start to do next year. Its going to leave the other non Google, Microsoft, Apple OEMS in a akward place. Seeing Google pretty much stop supporting the AOSP and putting more marketing behind their product, coupled with Microsoft now owning too productdion arms must be scary.

[Plugabugz]

The Moto X launch was mishandled in so many ways.

Yes Motorola really did. Let everyone, worldwide, get hyped up only to say post-launch its for north america only. All of the sites that mentioned it simply skipped over how they mishandled that too.

[shingi_70]

The Moto X launch was mishandled in so many ways.

Yes Motorola really did. Let everyone, worldwide, get hyped up only to say post-launch its for north america only. All of the sites that mentioned it simply skipped over how they mishandled that too.

Oh I wasn't even talking about the WW release. I mostly meant the price not being in line with the Nexus models and Moto Maker being stuck with ATT at launch. I kind of realized that it wasn't going to ship internationaly due to being made in America and all the color palette choices.


Overall Google has a pretty good product line up now, one that rivals both Apple and Microsoft


Nexus 5
Nexus 7
Nexus 10
Moto X
Moto G
Google Glass
Chromebook Pixel
Chromebook 11
Chromecast




I'm guessing next year alongside refreshes were getting a Moto T, a nexus TV, and the Nexus smartwatch,

[tendoboy1984]

The charger port on my Nokia Lumia 810 (T-Mobile) is dying, so I need a new smartphone. Should I get the Nokia Lumia 521 ($99 on Amazon) or the Moto G ($179)?

[Plugabugz]

So my aunt goes to a phones store to get a AC charger for her Moto G. She walks in and sees two people. The first, at the back, looks at her and doesn't move.

She shows the other the phone in the box and they tell her the phone is "not really good" - even though it is on display prominently behind her - told her to sell it (and she only got it 4 days ago!) and to sit down with them to get her a "really good £500 phone".

When she asked the other member of staff why didn't he approach her, he said that he was waiting for "her to walk over and ask for help".

She simply walked out instead. I'm still amazed by that (but not really surprised either).

[oohhboy]

HAHAHAHA, good on your Aunt walking out on that nonsense. I know dudes have sales to make, but that is some crass, unproductive, dumb **** maneuvers.

[Oblivion]

Ha. Customers get angry when we bother them to ask if they need anything, they get angry when we don't. It's a losing battle.

[tendoboy1984]

I want to get a Moto G, but I don't know if I can return my Galaxy S2 to T-Mobile since it was a replacement phone.

[BranDonk Kong]

Probably not, but you can sell it ($100-150 or so I would imagine). Just remember, no 4G on the Moto G on T-Mobile unless T-Mobile has upgraded their towers in your area.

[tendoboy1984]

Are you saying the Moto G is incapable of 4G? Because if it's a tower issue, then all phones would have that problem.

[BranDonk Kong]

No, that's not what I'm saying, and you have no idea what you're talking about. It's *typically* incapable of 4G on T-Mobile, because T-Mobile does not operate on the "normal" frequencies, that are used around the world (including AT&T), in most parts of the United States. To get on T-Mobile's (not LTE) 3G/4G network the phone needs to operate on the 1700Mhz and 2100Mhz frequencies simultaneously, as they use (and this is just thinking back, could be wrong) 850Mhz/1900Mhz for Edge. Most phones in the world do not operate like this, typically only T-Mobile phones do (but there are a few exceptions). T-Mobile has been upgrading their towers to all support 3G/4G for the past year or so, but it's not nation-wide yet. An easy way to test if it will work is to find someone using an AT&T iPhone on T-Mobile's network and see if it says "E" or "3G/4G" for their data connection. If it's "E" then the Moto G will not connect to T-Mobile's 3G/4G network in your area...yet.

[Stratos]

They're behind schedule then. Were supposed to be upgraded by the end of this year. Unless they meant 'fiscal year'. At least according to the promotional/motivational posters I've seen.

[BranDonk Kong]

They were supposed to be one by last year from what I first heard a couple years ago.

[Plugabugz]

So, brandogg, technically speaking what does T-Mobile refer to as "4G"? IS that just DC-HSDPA or something else?

The Moto G doesn't support LTE anywhere, so i'm a little confused by their (and american networks, generally...) marketing of 4G.

[tendoboy1984]

My Nokia Lumia 810 supports T-Mobile's 4G, as does the Samsung Galaxy S2 I just received as a replacement. How can the Moto G (which is newer than the Galaxy S2) not support 4G?

[BranDonk Kong]

tendoboy1984 - that's because those phones are sold by T-Mobile and are designed by Nokia and Samsung (your T989 Galaxy S 2) respectively to work on T-Mobile's network (an AT&T Galaxy S 2 (i777 or i727) will NOT get 4G on T-Mobile). Like I have been trying to explain, the Moto G does not support simultaneous 1700Mhz and 2100Mhz which is required to connect to T-Mobile's 4G (not LTE) network. From the Moto G specs page

Networks
Global GSM Model:
GSM/GPRS/EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz)
UMTS/HSPA+ up to 21 Mbps (850, 900, 1900, 2100 MHz)
US GSM Model:
GSM/GPRS/EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz)
UMTS/HSPA+ up to 21 Mbps (850, 1700 (AWS), 1900 MHz)
CDMA Model:
CDMA/EVDO Rev A (850, 1900 MHz)

For comparison, here are the specs for the T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 2 (T989, what you have)

2G Network   GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
3G Network   HSDPA 850 / 1700 / 1900 / 2100

I understand that for some people this is hard to understand, but I think I've made it pretty comprehensible.

Plugabugz - it depends on the phone and the service, T-Mobile has both LTE and HSDPA, just like AT&T.


As a side note, T-Mobile Galaxy S phones are typically the best version to get, because they will do 4G on T-Mobile and AT&T (Verizon version will also do 4G on AT&T).

[tendoboy1984]

I was surprised that my Galaxy S2 has its storage split into separate partitions, with only 2GB available for app downloads. The rest of the 16GB is set aside for app data, OS files, user media (pictures, videos, music), and carrier bloat. I want an Android phone with unified internal storage, like how iOS and Windows Phone work.

I know the Nexus devices have unified storage, but what about the Moto X and Moto G?

[shingi_70]

Windows Phone only has unified storage if the device doesn't have a microsd card slot. Pretty sure its the same with android these days.

[tendoboy1984]

My Nokia Lumia 810 had 8GB of storage and a microSD card. Apps weren't installed to a seperate partition, they had full access to the entire 6GB (after the OS was accounted for).

This is what I mean by "unified storage"... Giving apps and media files full access to a single partition of internal storage. It's like how iOS works.

[BranDonk Kong]

As has also been explained to you, many times, Samsung set up the partitions that way on the Galaxy S2, the S3 and S4 are not like that, same with just about any Android phone. The S2 is that way, even with Jelly Bean, because that's how it was set up with Froyo when it launched, changing the partition setup when they did a system update would require wiping all of your data, which is something that they obviously did not want to do.

[BranDonk Kong]

I'm convinced there's no way you're not just trolling these Android threads on purpose.

[shingi_70]

But's its the illusion of a single paration as Windows Phone doesn't allow apps to be installed on a SDcard. I'm pretty sure Android does it the same way.


I know my old phone did it the way your lumia did, but I'm not sure about recent Android or devices since I haven't owned anything with a microsd since the G2.


The nexus, Moto X, and Moto G don't have unified storgae (unless i'm still getting what your describing wrong) beucase neither of these devices have a SD card slot.

[BranDonk Kong]

We've already explained that one up and down in another one of the Android threads...even though this is his "Everything Android" thread. Android (by default) does not allow you to install apps on an SD card.