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RE:New North American (NPD) Sales Thread
« Reply #125 on: July 22, 2004, 03:33:59 PM »
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F-Zero GX: 225,911

Looking at that makes me sad.  F-Zero GX deserved to sell so much more...

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RE: New North American (NPD) Sales Thread
« Reply #126 on: July 22, 2004, 04:20:40 PM »
Blame Soul Calibur II for being released a day apart from F-zero GX.
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RE:New North American (NPD) Sales Thread
« Reply #127 on: July 22, 2004, 04:32:24 PM »
200,000+ isn't bad, guys. You can't expect everything to sell a million copies, that just isn't how it works. A lot of great games don't even break 100,000.  
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« Reply #128 on: July 22, 2004, 04:48:31 PM »
200k isn't bad..............but IMO, F-Zero GX is WAY better than MK: DD.  That was why I said it deserved to sell so much more.

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RE:New North American (NPD) Sales Thread
« Reply #129 on: July 22, 2004, 11:52:52 PM »
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'good grief, if it didn't then Iwata is dead on correct...the industry is dead and all people want to do now is shoot and maime things..."

Yeah just look at the top ten for the month

1 PS2 SPIDER-MAN:THE MOVIE2 Activision
2 XBX FULL SPECTRUM WARRIOR THQ
3 GCN ZELDA: FOUR SWORDS Nintendo
4 PS2 DRIV3R Atari
5 XBX SPIDER-MAN:THE MOVIE2 Activision
6 XBX CHRONICLES OF RIDDICK Vivendi
7 PS2 SHREK 2 Activision
8 XBX DRIV3R Atari
9 PS2 MVP BASEBALL 2004 Electronic Arts
10 PS2 HARRY POTTER: AZKABAN Electronic Arts


We've got 5 movie games and one sports game so right there 60% of the top ten are generic licenced titles.  Of the four non-licenced titles two of them are Driv3r which completely sucks.  So we're left with two titles that are actually good and Full Spectrum Warrior is a generic war game that focuses on realism over creativity. So out of the top ten only ONE of those titles is one with any sort of originality or innovation and it's a Zelda game and thus probably sold more because of it's name than the innovation found within (and Four Swords is quite innovative).  Yeah I'd say it's fair to think the industry is dying.

Though in Japan Zelda is the only one of these titles that would even have a shot at making the top ten so things aren't totally hopeless.  If generic America product keeps dominating it might bring more Japanese third parties to Nintendo's side since that's really the only place where they don't have to compete with casual gamers in the North American market.  As long as Nintendo can tough it out and survive for the next few years we may see a complete split where hardcore gamers play Nintendo almost exclusively while all the casuals play Sony and MS.  There's enough creative developers out there that if they all teamed up to support one console they could survive.


You have to remember Ian, it was an incredibly slow month all around, not many games came out.  Sales are down during the summer.
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RE: New North American (NPD) Sales Thread
« Reply #130 on: July 23, 2004, 02:35:23 AM »
I don't think it's sales being down but releases being down.

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RE:New North American (NPD) Sales Thread
« Reply #131 on: July 23, 2004, 06:09:26 AM »
My impressions:
200,000 is not bad for a brand-new game with no liscence and a small marketing push.  Capcom obviously agress or we wouldn't be getting VJ 2.  It will take time for the game to spread to the mainstream.

In my opinion, the industry isn't dying, it's expanding.  I don't know for sure, but I bet 200,000 sales has always been a good start for a brand-new game series with no liscences.  The thing is casual gamers are driving sales more and more, and they're buying games they recognize like Mario, Zelda, Spider-Man, Final Fantasy, James Bond, Grand Theft Auto, Halo, etc.  

And why not?  I do the exact same thing. I'll go out and buy a new U2 CD without worrying about how good it is, because I know and love the band.  It probably ticks music fans right off that I'm not recognizing Modest Mouse or some other even more obscure band with my money, but I don't care!  I'll buy music by super-indie bands when I've actually heard their music, and not before then.  I'll read some music reviews once in a while or listen to the local college radio station and get turned on to something new, but until then I'll stick with names I recognize.  I suppose it's bad, but on the other hand devoting every minute of my life to knowing what's "good" in every facet of pop-culture would arguably be worse.

It's still frustrating, though.


Edit: way too many carriage returns at the end of the post.
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RE: New North American (NPD) Sales Thread
« Reply #132 on: July 24, 2004, 12:49:23 AM »
F-Zero isn't a new franchise.  We all know that.

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RE: New North American (NPD) Sales Thread
« Reply #133 on: July 24, 2004, 01:30:37 AM »
....but Viewtiful Joe is.

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RE: New North American (NPD) Sales Thread
« Reply #134 on: July 24, 2004, 01:57:23 AM »
F-Zero GX sold not so well in the UK because of when it was released. It fell out of the Top 10 in one week.
It was released 2 weeks before MK: DD.

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RE: New North American (NPD) Sales Thread
« Reply #135 on: August 16, 2004, 12:29:56 PM »
July 2004 Software Sales

OVERALL
1 NCAA FOOTBALL 2005 $25,135,700 508,807 (PS2)
2 ESPN NFL 2K5 $7,810,233 406,083 (PS2)
3 SPIDER-MAN:THE MOVIE2 $19,786,940 405,626 (PS2)
4 ESPN NFL 2K5 7495292 385660 (XBOX)
5 NCAA FOOTBALL 2005 13072050 264455 (XBOX)
6 SPIDER-MAN:THE MOVIE2 8741589 178669 (XBOX)
7 SPIDER-MAN:THE MOVIE2 $4,095,983 144,304 (GBA)
8 SPIDER-MAN:THE MOVIE2 $6,653,579 138,098 (GC)
9 DRIV3R $6,010,556 122,495 (PS2)
10 TALES OF SYMPHONIA $5,885,317 118,507 (GC)

GBA
1 SPIDER-MAN:THE MOVIE2 $4,095,983 144,304
2 YU-GI-OH! RESHEF $2,972,662 97,610
3 MARIO VS. DONKEY KONG $1,985,148 64,467
4 SUPER MARIO CLASSIC $1,206,788 62,157
5 DRAGONBALL Z:SUPRSNIC $1,827,285 62,149
6 POKEMON RUBY $1,965,223 59,267
7 TEENAGE MUTANT TURTLE $683,378 50,679
8 SONIC ADVANCE 3 $1,504,842 50,319
9 POKEMON SAPPHIRE $1,644,748 50,075
10 MARIO BROS 3: MARIO 4 $1,500,329 49,213
11 SHREK 2 $1,447,113 48,460
12 ZELDA CLASSIC $932,765 48,013
13 MARIO GOLF ADVANCE $1,435,010 46,056
14 MEGA MAN BATTLE4 RED $1,304,644 43,675
15 MEGA MAN BATTLE4 BLUE $1,297,054 43,442

Gamecube
1 SPIDER-MAN:THE MOVIE2 $6,653,579 138,098
2 TALES OF SYMPHONIA $5,885,317 118,507
3 MEGA MAN ANNIVERSARY $1,550,894 52,089
4 ZELDA: FOUR SWORDS $2,378,094 47,995
5 SUPER SMASH BRO MELEE $1,267,165 43,549
6 SONIC MEGA COLLECTION $688,661 34,579
7 SOUL CALIBUR II $663,323 34,457
8 NCAA FOOTBALL 2005 $1,611,577 32,547
9 POKEMON COLOSSEUM $1,352,712 28,971
10 MARIO KART: DOUBLE $1,326,150 26,914
11 SHREK 2 $1,067,352 25,375
12 SONIC ADVT DX DIR CUT $464,350 24,352
13 HARRY POTTER: AZKABAN $925,975 24,145
14 LUIGI'S MANSION $391,147 22,653
15 HARVEST MOON:WONDRFUL $876,464 22,069

PS2
1 NCAA FOOTBALL 2005 $25,135,700 508,807
2 ESPN NFL 2K5 $7,810,233 406,083
3 SPIDER-MAN:THE MOVIE2 $19,786,940 405,626
4 DRIV3R $6,010,556 122,495
5 MVP BASEBALL 2004 $2,773,535 58,215
6 MEGA MAN ANNIVERSARY $1,557,921 52,317
7 RED DEAD REVOLVER $2,026,822 45,669
8 DRAGONBALL Z:BUDOKAI2 $925,285 45,234
9 T. CLANCYS PANDORA $2,046,242 42,694
10 SHREK 2 $1,721,436 40,456
11 GRAND THEFT AUTO:VICE $938,705 38,996
12 DDRMAX 2 $1,552,474 38,949
13 NBA STREET VOL 2 $774,867 38,789
14 FIGHT NIGHT 2004 $1,844,654 38,788
15 MLB 2005 $1,506,436 37,853

XBX
1 ESPN NFL 2K5 7495292 385660
2 NCAA FOOTBALL 2005 13072050 264455
3 SPIDER-MAN:THE MOVIE2 8741589 178669
4 HALO 2639015 92660
5 DRIV3R 2811226 57905
6 FULL SPECTRUM WARRIOR 1974401 43801
7 SUDEKI 2084791 41917
8 MECH ASSAULT 407453 25400
9 MVP BASEBALL 2004 1076842 22597
10 RED DEAD REVOLVER 964944 21434
11 SOUL CALIBUR II 404704 20361
12 CHRONICLES OF RIDDICK 955439 20317
13 GRAND THEFT AUTO PACK 880679 19822
14 T. CLANCYS PANDORA 957269 19796
15 MORROWIND:GAME YEAR 441237 19200  

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RE: New North American (NPD) Sales Thread
« Reply #136 on: August 16, 2004, 12:35:05 PM »
tales only sold 120,000? ouch.  

That really contradicts with the fact that its nearly impossible to find because its selling out everywhere.  
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RE: New North American (NPD) Sales Thread
« Reply #137 on: August 16, 2004, 12:42:51 PM »
I was thinking the same thing.  Namco really needs to give tales some tv ads.  The game kicks ass, but even some major word of mouth it is losing out to spidey 2 (but not by too much).  Yare yare...apparently nobody buys games in July.
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RE: New North American (NPD) Sales Thread
« Reply #138 on: August 16, 2004, 04:19:09 PM »
I thought 120,000 was rather impressive for ToS, with all things taken into consideration.

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RE:New North American (NPD) Sales Thread
« Reply #139 on: August 16, 2004, 06:59:03 PM »
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tales only sold 120,000? ouch.  
That really contradicts with the fact that its nearly impossible to find because its selling out everywhere.

Didn't Xenosaga sell about that much on its first month of release? (114,896 units if  I'm not mistaken) And I believe Xenosaga's close to a 500K seller now. Maybe Namco just didn't ship enough units of ToS to meet demand, or word of mouth advertisement hasn't spread yet. ToS managed to keep itself in the top ten when the rest of the top ten chart is dominated by sports and movie licenses (and hyped to kazoo Driv3r). A shame ToS didn't sell more, but... I guess we'll have to wait and see until next month to know if Tales' sales are going to keep up or if it's going to drop off the charts.  

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RE: New North American (NPD) Sales Thread
« Reply #140 on: August 16, 2004, 07:04:46 PM »
A lot of places I've visited had ToS sold out until last week.  Today, it's back in-stock at those same places.  I'm inclined to say Namco didn't ship a lot in the first place.
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« Reply #141 on: August 16, 2004, 08:22:44 PM »
People have overly high expectations if they're not impressed with Symphonia's sales.  To put things in perspective, Tales of Destiny for the original Playstation sold 60,000 total units. Tales of Destiny II sold 40,000 units total. In one month, ToS has outpaced Skies of Arcadia Legends's complete sales for an entire year and a half.  If Namco continues to ship copies out to stores, word of mouth should further fuel sales.  This is a very good start.  Let's see if Namco follows up.

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RE: New North American (NPD) Sales Thread
« Reply #142 on: August 17, 2004, 04:08:29 AM »
Oh yeah,

Hardware

PS2 - 290,000
XBOX - 245,000
GAMECUBE - 93,000
GBA - 400,000

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RE: New North American (NPD) Sales Thread
« Reply #143 on: August 17, 2004, 08:20:21 AM »
Since I've lost the overview, how many months is the XB at that sales niveau now?

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RE:New North American (NPD) Sales Thread
« Reply #144 on: August 17, 2004, 08:57:46 AM »
Tales' sales are sad in that they came second to Spider-Man, but otherwise, I'm happy with them.  I definitely think this is a case of supply problems...we just got the second shipment of games last week (I know, because I've been searching everywhere for it).  The first shipment seemed to sell out in a matter of hours at most stores in Calgary.

I'd like to go check out some stores to see how easy it is to find now.  I predict it will sell another 100,000 copies this month.
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RE:New North American (NPD) Sales Thread
« Reply #145 on: August 17, 2004, 01:03:31 PM »
Poor GameCube.  (insert crying face here)   Good news: Nintendo is the #3 software company!


July 2004 Hardware Sales

PS2: 305,000 (+2% over 2003)
Xbox: 202,000 (+47%)
GCN: 93,000* (-27%)
GBA: 395,000 (-19%)

(*) This may or may not be correct. CSFB's cumulative numbers indicate monthly sales of 75,000.

Cumulative Installed Base

PS2: 24,433,000
Xbox: 9,367,000
GCN: 7,672,000
GBA: 22,579,000

LTD Tie Ratios

PS2: 8.52
Xbox: 7.01
GCN: 6.68
GBA: 3.67





Publisher Market Shares

1 ELECTRONIC ARTS $77,734,030 22.2%
2 ACTIVISION $51,096,030 14.6%
--->3 NINTENDO OF AMERICA $34,770,540 9.9%
4 TAKE 2 INTERACTIVE (CORP) $26,308,270 7.5%
5 ATARI $19,142,900 5.5%
6 THQ $16,634,010 4.8%
7 KONAMI OF AMERICA $12,912,870 3.7%
8 NAMCO $12,758,590 3.6%
--->9 SONY (CORP) $11,300,880 3.2%
10 CAPCOM USA $10,563,550 3.0%
--->11 MICROSOFT (CORP) $9,216,409 2.6%
12 UBISOFT (CORP) $8,455,763 2.4%
13 VIVENDI UNIVERSAL (CORP) $7,991,915 2.3%
14 MIDWAY $7,358,642 2.1%
15 MAJESCO $6,443,957 1.8%
--->16 SEGA OF AMERICA $5,090,215 1.5%
17 ACCLAIM ENTERTAINMENT (CORP) $4,397,585 1.3%
18 EIDOS INTERACTIVE (CORP) $2,737,940 0.8%
19 SQUARE ENIX INC (CORP) $2,642,455 0.8%
20 BUENA VISTA GAMES $2,376,561 0.7%
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RE: New North American (NPD) Sales Thread
« Reply #146 on: August 17, 2004, 01:34:45 PM »
Japan:

PS2:  Google
GCN:  a few mil
Xbox:  Almost as many as the number of Vampire Hunter D movies that came out
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RE: New North American (NPD) Sales Thread
« Reply #147 on: August 17, 2004, 09:43:27 PM »
Nintendo dropped to #3 in publishing? I mean, sure this was Activision's score BEFORE Doom 3 came out?

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RE: New North American (NPD) Sales Thread
« Reply #148 on: September 13, 2004, 12:31:38 PM »
AUGUST

HARDWARE

GBA 312,568 $30,308,655
XBX 216,911 $32,202,460
PS2 211,690 $31,869,296
GCN 108,953 $10,840,460

GBA
1 GBA YU-GI-OH! RESHEF 63,489 $1,908,301
2 GBA SPIDER-MAN:THE MOVIE2 57,912 $1,661,151
3 GBA POKEMON RUBY 49,041 $1,633,618
4 GBA SUPER MARIO CLASSIC 40,182 $687,811
5 GBA POKEMON SAPPHIRE 39,613 $1,306,960
6 GBA MARIO VS. DONKEY KONG 37,842 $1,193,527
7 GBA MARIO BROS 3: MARIO 4 35,889 $1,092,249
8 GBA DONKEY KONG COUNTRY 34,367 $658,971
9 GBA SONIC ADVANCE 3 32,787 $967,057
10 GBA DRAGONBALL Z:SUPRSNIC 29,468 $858,687

GCN
1 GCN MADDEN NFL 2005 87,404 $4,307,765
2 GCN TALES OF SYMPHONIA 67,172 $3,339,223
3 GCN SPIDER-MAN:THE MOVIE2 45,769 $2,171,678
4 GCN SUPER SMASH BRO MELEE 38,328 $1,151,505
5 GCN ZELDA: FOUR SWORDS 31,955 $1,517,783
6 GCN SONIC MEGA COLLECTION 28,589 $574,998
7 GCN MARIO KART: DOUBLE 27,034 $1,297,581
8 GCN MEGA MAN ANNIVERSARY 26,214 $781,931
9 GCN SOUL CALIBUR II 25,382 $504,563
10 GCN POKEMON COLOSSEUM 21,263 $1,045,701

XBX
1 XBX MADDEN NFL 2005 509,100 $25,103,580
2 XBX ESPN NFL 2K5 311,359 $6,165,545
3 XBX T.CLANCYS BLACK ARROW 158,218 $6,157,931
4 XBX HALO 88,488 $2,652,439
5 XBX SPIDER-MAN:THE MOVIE2 48,236 $2,257,908
6 XBX NCAA FOOTBALL 2005 39,449 $1,884,971
7 XBX SW: KNIGHTS REPUBLIC 38,669 $796,831
8 XBX MORROWIND:GAME YEAR 23,172 $525,636
9 XBX T. CLANCYS RAINBOW 3 23,087 $492,226
10 XBX GRAND THEFT AUTO PACK 22,566 $950,958

PS2
1 PS2 MADDEN NFL 2005 1,112,588 $54,142,420
2 PS2 ESPN NFL 2K5 448,433 $8,897,210
3 PS2 MADDEN NFL 2005 COLL 395,811 $23,390,230
4 PS2 SPIDER-MAN:THE MOVIE2 129,492 $6,076,589
5 PS2 NCAA FOOTBALL 2005 94,559 $4,687,620
6 PS2 HOT SHOTS GOLF FORE! 56,089 $2,243,741
7 PS2 DRIV3R 52,079 $2,225,679
8 PS2 GRAND THEFT AUTO:VICE 41,361 $860,018
9 PS2 DRAGONBALL Z:BUDOKAI2 39,930 $798,924
10 PS2 YU-GI-OH! DUELISTS 35,199 $587,166

ALL
1 PS2 MADDEN NFL 2005 1,112,588 $54,142,420
2 XBX MADDEN NFL 2005 509,100 $25,103,580
3 PS2 ESPN NFL 2K5 448,433 $8,897,210
4 PS2 MADDEN NFL 2005 COLL 395,811 $23,390,230
5 XBX ESPN NFL 2K5 311,359 $6,165,545
6 XBX T.CLANCYS BLACK ARROW 158,218 $6,157,931
7 PS2 SPIDER-MAN:THE MOVIE2 129,492 $6,076,589
8 PS2 NCAA FOOTBALL 2005 94,559 $4,687,620
9 XBX HALO 88,488 $2,652,439
10 GCN MADDEN NFL 2005 87,404 $4,307,765

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RE:New North American (NPD) Sales Thread
« Reply #149 on: September 13, 2004, 02:54:12 PM »

well...

we'll see...

the next few months determines much
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