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Title: Mario's 25th Anniversary Collection?
Post by: Morari on September 13, 2010, 04:48:30 PM
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/wii/svmj/index.html
I can't read Japanese. The website seems to indicate a Mario collection for the Wii however. It would go well with my old Zelda collection on the GameCube...
Edit: Here's an explanation in English. http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/65542
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Post by: MegaByte on September 13, 2010, 04:56:20 PM
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Post by: Morari on September 13, 2010, 05:29:04 PM
Hm. Must have been buried under the fifty Goldeneye impressions. :P
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Post by: Miyamoto on September 14, 2010, 01:06:55 PM
Zing!
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Post by: Stratos on September 24, 2010, 06:19:26 AM
Well the game still needs a thread so I guess this can be it.
I would love to see an option to switch between the style of the classic games and the remade style of All-Stars.
What they should really do is include a download ticket for Super Mario World to encourage more people to hop online. The more we get online now, the more that are there at the jump to the next system.
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Post by: Mop it up on September 24, 2010, 05:30:33 PM
They could do it in the style of Metroid Zero Mission, where beating each game rewards you with the original version of it.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 24, 2010, 07:14:01 PM
Or they could do it like Secret of Monkey Island where you hit a button and it morph back to the original style right before your eyes.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on September 24, 2010, 09:04:57 PM
While it would be nice to have both versions, I think we all know Nintendo won't do that because they won't want to take away sales of them on VC (the VC versions still sell really well).
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Post by: Morari on September 24, 2010, 09:13:45 PM
Are the All-Star versions any different, outside of the graphics? Furthermore, how much do they differ graphically from the GBA titles?
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Post by: UncleBob on September 24, 2010, 09:17:13 PM
Are the All-Star versions any different, outside of the graphics? Furthermore, how much do they differ graphically from the GBA titles?
They improved the audio, fixed glitches, added save files, etc. And yes, there are even differences in the GBA versions. TMK has some articles pointing out the differences: http://themushroomkingdom.net/remakes.shtml (http://themushroomkingdom.net/remakes.shtml)
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Post by: Shaymin on September 24, 2010, 09:21:14 PM
Or they could do it like Secret of Monkey Island where you hit a button and it morph back to the original style right before your eyes.
That would require effort, though.
Nintendo: Constantly trying to master the skill of making as much money as possible with as little effort as possible.
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Post by: Sundoulos on September 25, 2010, 08:17:16 AM
I had really hoped that All-Stars would show up on the VC after the other games had been released, but I would like the idea of getting a copy of the game on disc. Once again, I regret selling off all of my SNES stuff a long time ago.
In addition to all the things mentioned by those sites, I'll say that the updated music instrumentation was pretty nice. Overall, the package is similar to the Gameboy Advance series except for some of the instrumentation and the aspect ratio of the screen. It feels less claustrophobic than the GBA stuff, and Mario and Luigi don't shout every time they jump...thank goodness. The GBA did add more intro stuff for some of the games as well.
Back before the reality of Nintendo marketing hit, and the Wii and VC were newly-announced, my friends and I were talking excitedly about the possibility of getting yet another version of All-Stars with even better graphics and updated, almost orchestrated music. Yeah, that dream died. :P
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Post by: Mop it up on September 25, 2010, 07:32:37 PM
Or they could do it like Secret of Monkey Island where you hit a button and it morph back to the original style right before your eyes.
That would require effort, though.
Nintendo: Constantly trying to master the skill of making as much money as possible with as little effort as possible.
Nintendo fans: endlessly displeased with every single thing Nintendo does.
Mop_it_up: Adamant Nintendo apologist.
Morari: Can never tell if he picks up sarcasm.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on September 25, 2010, 10:09:59 PM
Someone delusional enough to believe the PC is still the best platform for gaming is too out of touch with reality to get sarcasm. :P
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Post by: Stratos on September 26, 2010, 06:14:04 AM
I am kinda hoping NoA hold back this title until next year. We already have Galaxy 1 & 2 and NSMBW on the system and I want Donkey Kong and Kirby to get a bit of elbow room in sales-wise. Another Mario holiday season would gobble up everything else. Plus releasing it next year when SMB released in the States would make a lot of sense.
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Post by: Morari on September 26, 2010, 06:53:54 PM
I am kinda hoping NoA hold back this title until next year.
At this point you should just be hoping that NOA releases the game at all.
I'm too busy hoping that Xenoblade and Last Story will release here to hope for this yet. NoA already failed me with Fatal Frame, Tact of Magic and Reginleiv. Not to mention Soma Bringer and ASH...God the list is getting long.
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Post by: Mop it up on September 28, 2010, 06:23:20 PM
Don't forget Another Code R, Captain Rainbow, and Disaster: Day of Crisis.
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Post by: Stratos on September 30, 2010, 01:44:05 AM
I didn't forget them. But as I said the list is pretty long and I didn't want to drag the post down with a laundry list.
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Post by: Shaymin on October 28, 2010, 09:39:07 AM
It's coming to North America! December 12, $29.99!
http://press.nintendo.com/articles.jsp?id=26119
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Post by: UncleBob on October 28, 2010, 10:01:07 AM
It's coming to North America! December 12, $29.99!
http://press.nintendo.com/articles.jsp?id=26119
**** YEAH!
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Post by: BeautifulShy on October 28, 2010, 10:32:25 AM
Great to hear!
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Post by: alegoicoe on October 28, 2010, 12:24:54 PM
i dont know if i be picking it up, because its just more of the same, which i already have.
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Post by: Adrock on October 28, 2010, 10:51:04 PM
Would have been nice if they included Yoshi's Island and Super Mario World, but I'm just being greedy.
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Post by: Mop it up on October 28, 2010, 11:42:13 PM
My Super NES copy no longer holds saves. I have the necessary tools to replace the battery, but I might use this as an excuse to buy this set.
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Post by: Stratos on October 29, 2010, 04:29:31 AM
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Limited Edition will be available for purchase while supplies last. This collectible package features four classic Mario™ games playable on the Wii™ system, a soundtrack CD and an illustrated commemorative booklet.
So ve get all of the goodies too it looks like. Nice.
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Post by: Peachylala on October 29, 2010, 04:02:47 PM
Would have been nice if they included Yoshi's Island and Super Mario World, but I'm just being greedy.
You're at least no more greedy than Nintendo, though I'd say Yoshi's Island wouldn't make sense in this compilation since it's a Yoshi game.
Though really, this is a missed opportunity. This should have been New Super Mario All-Stars, which converts the games to the NSMBWii engine allowing them to be played in multiplayer.
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Post by: Luigi Dude on October 31, 2010, 08:42:15 PM
Though really, this is a missed opportunity. This should have been New Super Mario All-Stars, which converts the games to the NSMBWii engine allowing them to be played in multiplayer.
Even though the NSMBW engine would help make things easier, they'd still have to remake every single level that's in All-Stars and change them in order to make the levels work with the NSMBW physics. That would take quite a bit of time that I'm sure Nintendo would rather have the NSMB team spend on a New Super Mario Bros for the 3DS.
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Post by: Mop it up on October 31, 2010, 09:58:01 PM
There are fans who recreated the games in a couple of months (or less) using unofficial software, and it would take Nintendo even less time than that, so it's pretty easy to do. I also hope Nintendo has something more original planned than New Super Mario Brothers 3DS.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 31, 2010, 10:25:00 PM
There are fans who recreated the games in a couple of months (or less) using unofficial software, and it would take Nintendo even less time than that, so it's pretty easy to do. I also hope Nintendo has something more original planned than New Super Mario Brothers 3DS.
It seems pretty obvious that the best way to show off the 3D capabilities of the 3DS would be with a 3D Mario game designed around the feature. You could do gimmicks with 3D effects in a 2D Mario, but a 3D Mario would have the opportunity for interesting new gameplay mechanics taking advantage of the 3D.
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Post by: Stratos on November 01, 2010, 06:00:46 AM
I'd like to see a return of the water gun mechanic. A Sunshine 3DS would be quite interesting.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on November 01, 2010, 10:03:52 AM
Would have been nice if they included Yoshi's Island and Super Mario World, but I'm just being greedy.
Since it was always announced to be a port of Super Mario All-Stars, there was always a 0% chance that Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island would be on the disc. It would have been nice to have Super Mario World though since Nintendo did re-release SMAS a few years later and included SMW on it. I am a little disappointed that the soundtrack is just 20 tracks and totals 26 minutes (with some tracks being no longer than 10 seconds).
I will still pick up the disc, especially since it would be nice to be able to play the games without having to hook up my old SNES and SMAS game.
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Post by: Mop it up on November 08, 2010, 06:24:23 PM
Would have been nice if they included Yoshi's Island and Super Mario World, but I'm just being greedy.
Since it was always announced to be a port of Super Mario All-Stars, there was always a 0% chance that Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island would be on the disc.
No sh*t. I never said there was any chance of either being included. I said it would be nice to have it. And it would. Who wouldn't want 2 more classic Mario games in the same package? Still, that says nothing about the likelihood of it happening. You quoted me and still got that wrong. /facepalm
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Post by: Traveller on November 28, 2010, 08:50:44 PM
Theres a bigger disappointment for Euro gamers!
The Mario Collection will only run in 50Hz..... Can't belive a retail game from Nintendo wont at least do 60hz.
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Post by: Stratos on November 29, 2010, 06:31:25 AM
And I thought Nintendo was one of the companies that never did that anymore.
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Post by: MegaByte on November 30, 2010, 03:48:15 PM
They do that if it's an emulated game... it's keeping the original frequency of the European version of SMAS. Doing anything differently would require them to hack the original ROM, and clearly they didn't want to put any effort into this release.
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Post by: Mop it up on November 30, 2010, 06:17:04 PM
Do PAL Virtual Console titles also run in 50Hz?
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Post by: MegaByte on November 30, 2010, 06:22:10 PM
Yes, with the exception of things like TurboGrafx and Japan-only releases that only run in 60Hz.
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Post by: Traveller on December 01, 2010, 05:03:53 AM
Yeah.. but I thought they may have upgraded this release to 60...
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Post by: UncleBob on December 12, 2010, 01:23:32 AM
This came out today in the US. Unless there's word of a restock/second shipment, get it now if you want it.
Just played through Worlds 1-4 of the original Super Mario Bros. Let me say, this game looks pretty darn good on my HDTV via component cables. I mean, it's still SNES graphics, but it's nice.
One bonus - the game displays in the original 4:3 - even though it's set up on widescreen. Unlike the stupid Virtual Console that stretches things out unless you go in and change the settings every time...
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Post by: Mop it up on December 12, 2010, 08:07:38 PM
I pre-ordered on Amazon a while back, just before they stopped taking them, which I assume is because they ran out of stock. I almost didn't pre-order because I figure it wouldn't be difficult to find one, but now I'm glad I did, as it ensures I get one without the hassle. Who said you can't buy Christmas presents for yourself?
I didn't see this in this topic, so here's the Iwata Asks article for this game:
What I find of interest is that the tunes for the soundtrack CD were chosen by the series composer Koji Kondo, which he refers to as his greatest hits. The CD contains 10 tunes and 10 sound effects. For those curious, here is the track listing:
1. Aboveground BGM (Mario 1) 2. Aboveground BGM (Mario 2) 3. Athletic BGM (Mario 3) 4. Aboveground BGM (Super Mario World) 5. Slider (Super Mario 64) 6. Delfino Plaza (Super Mario Sunshine) 7. Aboveground BGM (New Super Mario Bros.) 8. Super Mario Galaxy 9. Title (New Super Mario Bros. Wii) 10. Super Mario Galaxy 2 11. Coin 12. Jump 13. Super Mario transform 14. 1UP 15. Enter a Pipe 16. Hurry 17. Lose a Life 18. Game Over 19. Course Clear 20. Castle Clear
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Post by: King of Twitch on December 12, 2010, 08:30:07 PM
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Yokota: I was a working adult. I think I was about 23 or 24. I had just gotten married and was playing video games at home...
Iwata: And you said to your wife, "Listen to the music in this video game!"
Yokota: Yeah! (laughs) I was raving to her about how great Kondo-san's music was. (to Kondo-san) Have I ever told you that story?
Kondo: (tilts head in silence)
Everyone: (laughs)
Classic ;D
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Kondo: (clapping) "Yokota-kun*, that's cooool!"
Everyone: (laughs)
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Kondo: What a truly amazing analysis.
Yokota: I feel like that's the first time you ever complimented me. Everyone: (laughs)
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Iwata: You prepare them with music.
Yokota: Exactly. We have them get ready ahead of time.
Iwata: Well, Kondo-san, is he right?
Kondo: (happy) Yeah! Everyone: (laughs)
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Iwata: I see you're the type who just can't rest until you share songs that you like with other people! (laughs) Everyone: (laughs)
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Post by: Shaymin on December 12, 2010, 09:22:55 PM
Picked up my pre-order today but won't be able to crack it open until the 25th.
According to the guy at my local EB, I was the smartest person he had seen all day since I paid it off last month (when I still had a job).
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Post by: TJ Spyke on December 13, 2010, 09:26:49 AM
When I asked the guy at GameStop if they had a copy, he said they only had enough for pre-orders and tried to BS me by saying I might not be able to get the game at all. I guess I will just go to Toys R Us or Kmart (both of which advertised the game in their weekly ads this week).
I just bought the game at Game Craze (not Game Crazy), haven't played it yet.
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Post by: Adrock on December 13, 2010, 06:21:39 PM
It's a neat little slice of history but I would have gladly paid more if Nintendo included more than SNES Super Mario All-Stars. I feel like this was a wasted opportunity. This could have been the ultimate Mario collection including every single 2D Mario-related platformer ever created across all pre-Wii/DS platforms. They could have remade each game with Wario Land Shake It caliber graphics (and widescreen), included the original/DX/Advance versions. Wishful thinking, I know. Considering Mario's place in video game history, I felt like he deserved something far grander than a re-release of a 17 year old game. There's always the 50th anniversary.... a girl can dream....
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Post by: Mop it up on December 13, 2010, 06:52:44 PM
When I asked the guy at GameStop if they had a copy, he said they only had enough for pre-orders and tried to BS me by saying I might not be able to get the game at all.
I'd be wary of anything a GameStop employee says too, but in this case, he may not have been saying BS. This game is a limited edition, and I'm not so sure it is going to even get a second shipment. So this first batch may be all that gets shipped to stores.
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Post by: broodwars on December 13, 2010, 07:04:54 PM
I get the feeling this game's "Limited Edition" status will vanish if and when the game sells well, though perhaps the booklet and CD will be removed from future shipments. Nintendo does like its money, especially when it has to do very little to get it. I'm looking forward to getting this for Christmas (I haven't played Mario 2 in years, and All-Stars is the only way I want to play Marios 1 and 3), though I'm a little taken aback by just how lazy this collection is. They didn't even bother changing the in-game controller diagrams to show Wii controllers, and from what I've heard half the "soundtrack" is sound effects.
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Post by: Mop it up on December 13, 2010, 07:38:33 PM
I posted the soundtrack list on the previous page:
Do Virtual Console games with controller diagrams have them changed to show the Wii controller?
I believe in the Wii Home Menu instruction manual they do, but otherwise they do not. However, Virtual Console games also do not ship on Wii retail discs with Wii retail disc pricing. I would expect at least a modicum of effort from Nintendo on something they hype as an Anniversary Collection. At least it supports the Classic Controller.
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Post by: UncleBob on December 13, 2010, 08:30:53 PM
$30 is Wii Retail Pricing?
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Post by: broodwars on December 13, 2010, 08:44:57 PM
Compared to the $8 price this game would have on the Virtual Console, yes.
Except that it's not on there, so to compare it to VC pricing would be folly. And you said "Wii Retail Disc Pricing". It's $30. Some people think it's a great deal. Others do not. No one is being forced to purchase it...
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Post by: ejamer on December 14, 2010, 09:58:06 AM
Except that it's not on there, so to compare it to VC pricing would be folly. And you said "Wii Retail Disc Pricing". It's $30. Some people think it's a great deal. Others do not. No one is being forced to purchase it...
I'm not sure if this is worthwhile or not. Buying original versions of all four NES Mario games on Virtual Console is cheaper, especially since it's reasonable to assume that many people have already downloaded at least one of those four games to their Wii. But having a physical game definitely provides value (not to mention the extras that come packed in). Might have to buy a copy just because of the "limited" nature. If this is anything like Metroid Prime Trilogy then it probably won't be widely available for long.
Point being: I think it's a pretty reasonable deal... just not sure if I have $30 sitting around.
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Post by: Sundoulos on December 15, 2010, 10:43:35 AM
Compared to the $8 price this game would have on the Virtual Console, yes.
I'm guessing that if Nintendo had put it on the VC at all, it would have put it in the $12~15 price range, as they would have wanted to avoid cannabalizing individual sales of the Mario games on VC. Still, it would have been less than $30.
I decided to buy it just because, in this case, I want the physical disc. I no longer have my SNES or the games. I foolishly sold off a lot of my old stuff because of the promise of the Virtual Console; I had just gotten married at the time and we needed to get rid of unneeded clutter, anyway. It's still a sore point with me that there's still little guarantee from Nintendo that we could carry those VC purchases to a the Wii's successor (though that remains to be seen, I suppose).
There's at least a chance that this Wii disc will be playable on a future system.
The lack of Super Mario World, at the very least, sort of stinks, though. I would have loved to have seen Yoshi's Island as well, since that's not on the VC, either.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on December 15, 2010, 10:51:32 AM
Compared to the $8 price this game would have on the Virtual Console, yes.
Um, you do realize this is more than 1 game? First, it would be $21 worth of VC games. Second, all of them are enhanced. The book is neat but not something I will read again and the soundtrack is pathetic (half of the 20 tracks are 5 second sound effects). Still, you would be delusional to think this would have been $8 on VC, especially since they are superior to the VC versions.
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Post by: broodwars on December 15, 2010, 10:56:05 AM
Compared to the $8 price this game would have on the Virtual Console, yes.
Um, you do realize this is more than 1 game? First, it would be $21 worth of VC games. Second, all of them are enhanced. The book is neat but not something I will read again and the soundtrack is pathetic (half of the 20 tracks are 5 second sound effects). Still, you would be delusional to think this would have been $8 on VC, especially since they are superior to the VC versions.
This is a port of an SNES game. SNES games on the VC cost $8 ($9 if imported). None of the games are enhanced from their original SNES incarnations. The only work Nintendo did on this game was make sure the Home button doesn't crash anything and program Classic Controller support. Otherwise, this is an SNES Virtual Console title on a disc. Even if Nintendo were to jack up the price to gouge users for an old SNES game, it probably still wouldn't go higher than $15.
And just to reiterate, my big problem with the cost of this collection is that Nintendo did almost no work to justify that price. The game is an SNES ROM, with no changes made for the Wii incarnation outside of some coding for the various controllers (which we already get as part of the package with Virtual Console titles). And from the reaction the CD and booklet have gotten, they are nice but not $22 nice. That's why I asked for this collection for Christmas instead of purchasing it myself. It's not worth the price Nintendo put it out for.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on December 15, 2010, 11:03:37 AM
A compilation game will not be on any of the download services, period. Nobody would buy the plain NES versions when they can have the superior re-makes. The game is well worth the price, and sales have indicated that people think it is worth it. $15 would have been a huge discount for fans, not gouging.
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Post by: Adrock on December 15, 2010, 05:53:19 PM
I foolishly sold off a lot of my old stuff because of the promise of the Virtual Console; I had just gotten married at the time and we needed to get rid of unneeded clutter, anyway.
The lesson here is to not get married. Duly noted. :)
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Post by: Mop it up on December 15, 2010, 08:22:37 PM
I find a certain irony to what was once the best example of how to handle a re-release (multiple games in one package with enhancements) is now the absolute worst example (straight port with absolutely nothing new).
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Post by: broodwars on December 15, 2010, 08:24:42 PM
I find a certain irony to what was once the best example of how to handle a re-release (multiple games in one package with enhancements) is now the absolute worst example (straight port with absolutely nothing new).
It's worth noting that the original All-Stars was not just a compilation of NES ROMs. The games were rebuilt using SNES visuals, making All-Stars essentially a compilation of SNES remakes of NES classics (with a port of Super Mario World attached in later version). By comparison, this disc is just an SNES port with some quaint packaging frills.
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Post by: PogueSquadron on December 15, 2010, 09:10:17 PM
It's a shame that the package wasn't more special than it was. They didn't even change the visuals in the game's menus (the control layout is still an SNES controller, for instance). I mean, if Mario's 25th is so special, why just burn Mario All-Stars to a disc? No video interviews with Miyamoto? Behind the scenes stuff? Insights on the games' creation? If this was a DVD rerelease of a movie that came out years ago, it would get killed in the reviews.
It would've been great to see the games redone in way similar to NSMB with better graphical and audio fidelity. That's what was so cool about the original Super Mario All-Stars to begin with. Seeing the classics in a new light. We've seen these versions of the games on the SNES and the GBA already (at least with Mario 2 and 3).
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Post by: Ian Sane on December 16, 2010, 01:04:21 PM
In retrospect Super Mario All-Stars is one of the only times Nintendo re-released old games in a way that didn't seem like a rip-off in some way. It always feels like they charge too much or release it in place of a new game or they change it in an unwelcome way (lowering difficultly, voices). But Super Mario All-Stars was four games and they updated them but not in a way that mucked around with the gameplay. And they included Lost Levels which for Westerners was like a brand new Mario game. So even you had the other three and didn't feel like getting them again, it was worth owning just for the "new" game.
It's very NOT Nintendo. I tend to think of Nintendo as, unfortunately, a company that tries to get every last cent out of their customers. Throwing a SNES ROM on a disc and charging $30 for it? That's very Nintendo. Releasing each Mario game on the GBA at the same price as a new game, while mucking with the gameplay, while very obviously NOT releasing a new Mario game for the GBA, while marketing SMB2 as "Super Mario Advance" as if it's a new title, is very Nintendo. The original Super Mario All-Stars is actually a tremendous value and that sets it apart. You wonder if Nintendo originally took a bath on it or something and then become super stingy with all re-releases afterwards.
In theory it doesn't make sense to release this on the VC because then only purists would buy the NES originals. But Sega released the arcade versions of Altered Beast and Golden Axe. Why would anyone now buy the inferior Genesis versions of those games? Capcom has released SFII, SFII Turbo, and Super SFII on the VC. Why would anyone buy the original when the later versions are clearly superior? I could see a real hardcore SF nut getting Turbo over Super as the subtleties of those games is different but Turbo pretty much includes all of the original and makes it redundant. But Capcom's and Sega's plan is to get people to buy the old inferior version first and then later release the better one and maybe get them to buy it again. There is no plan to sell the original SFII anymore. That was just to grab early adopters. Therefore Nintendo could very well have released Super Mario All-Stars on the VC with the intention that the original versions are no longer expected to sell and thus had a limited sales life. Meanwhile, perhaps, some people who bought the originals will buy All-Stars as well. I imagine for those older VC games, those that wanted them bought them already. Aside from new Wii owners the original games probably are not big sellers anymore.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on December 16, 2010, 01:27:44 PM
The problem is that the NES originals are still among the top selling games on the VC, likely because new Wii owners probably want to replay their favorite games from their childhood. How many people bought any either version of Altered Beast for example?
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Post by: UncleBob on December 16, 2010, 03:35:47 PM
[...]while marketing SMB2 as "Super Mario Advance" as if it's a new title, is very Nintendo.
I could see how you might think that. If you ignored the giant splash on the front of the box that says "Featuring Super Mario Bros. 2 and Classic Arcade Mario Bros.". Then, on the back of the box where it says "Two classics, one pak!", "Super Mario Bors. 2 and Mario bros., togeter in one Game Pak", and "[...]that made NES Super Mario Bros. 2 a smash hit"... yeah, if you ignore all of that, you might think it was a new game
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Post by: Adrock on December 25, 2010, 02:56:35 PM
I finally opened Super Mario All-Stars and played it on my 40 inch LCD. Ow, my eyes....
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Post by: broodwars on December 25, 2010, 03:01:16 PM
I finally opened Super Mario All-Stars and played it on my 40 inch LCD. Ow, my eyes....
Same here when I put in SMB 2 through the collection today. Ouch...
Title: Re: Mario's 25th Anniversary Collection?
Post by: Mop it up on January 09, 2011, 09:12:45 PM
That just goes to show you the poor job that most modern televisions do at upscaling standard-definition content. The games have never looked better on my CRT, though to be fair, I'm using component cables. Out of curiosity, I set the system to 480i to see how the game looked, and I noticed some flickering around certain graphics, most notably the text. So without component cables or a television that can properly upscale, things could look a little blurry. I might pull out my SNES copy and see if the flickering is noticeable in the original version, as I don't remember it if it's like that.
Title: Re: Mario's 25th Anniversary Collection?
Post by: the_dan_x on January 10, 2011, 05:58:42 AM
The problem is that the NES originals are still among the top selling games on the VC, likely because new Wii owners probably want to replay their favorite games from their childhood. How many people bought any either version of Altered Beast for example?
That's an early mistake I made. Altered Beast. The Genesis version. I could only stand to play it for about 20 minutes before I just stopped.
I picked up th 25th anniversary collection (the Japanese version) the other day for roughly $25. i guess I had to see with my own eyes that this compilation is probably the laziest thing that Nintendo has ever done. Hell, it might even be the laziest thing that has ever been done in the history of the industry...Even if that last bit isn't true, I guess as a Nintendo fan, I have come to expect to be disappointed. I blame this on Yamauchi!
Title: Re: Mario's 25th Anniversary Collection?
Post by: Ian Sane on January 10, 2011, 03:16:40 PM
My parents got a new TV recently. Out of sheer curiousity we hooked the old SNES up to it using standard AV cables. Every game has this vertical green line across it. You don't see it if there are colours but it shows up on black backgrounds. Looks like complete ****. I looked it up and it turns out this an issue with this brand of TV (can't remember off the top of my head) and the SNES. I guess there was some visual defect in the system that is invisible at certain resolutions that this new HDTV now picks up.
In fact all sorts of stuff looks like crap on this TV. DVDs look great. HD broadcasts are amazing. But you watch some old TV show on syndication and it is hard to look at. I've noticed some of the Canadian networks have inferior visual quality, hell I notice that on my normal CRT TV, but on this TV the flaws are so obvious. At the present time I have no incentive to upgrade. For what I use a TV for it seems like there would more examples of the picture quality dropping than rising. I need a better balance where crappy looking TV is more rare.
It seems like HDTV is more or less not backwards compatible. I can see the obvious benefits and improvements of an HD broadcast but I didn't have a problem with what we had before and now it seems like what we had before is broken on HDTVs. I figure as a purist I will have to keep an old CRT TV around specifically for my old consoles (which ironically will end up including the Wii).
Title: Re: Mario's 25th Anniversary Collection?
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 12, 2011, 05:11:21 PM
Mario/25th should've been sent FREE to Nintendo Fun Club members who've gotten Platinum status 2 years in row, with a No Reprint Guarantee photo certificate by Reggie. Yeah, this price is easily justified.
That way, even LESS people would be eligible to obtain it, and there'd be a greater proportion of whiners in the world. Just like the Nintendo Power/Smash Bros. Orchestra incident.
Title: Re: Mario's 25th Anniversary Collection?
Post by: broodwars on January 12, 2011, 05:22:50 PM
Mario/25th should've been sent FREE to Nintendo Fun Club members who've gotten Platinum status 2 years in row, with a No Reprint Guarantee photo certificate by Reggie. Yeah, this price is easily justified.
That way, even LESS people would be eligible to obtain it, and there'd be a greater proportion of whiners in the world. Just like the Nintendo Power/Smash Bros. Orchestra incident.
You know, you're being facetious, but I do think that would have been a good way to release this 25th Anniversary Edition. Mario All-Stars as a Platinum Reward on a disc would be fine by me. As it stands, the current 25th Anniversary Disc just screams that Nintendo didn't actually care, which not only looks bad on them as the creators of the franchise but looks bad on the industry as a whole. It sends a bad message about the video game industry that even the company that resurrected the industry in the 80s doesn't seem to care about their history outside of a quick and easy cash-in.
Funny you should mention the Smash Bros. orchestral soundtrack, though. My mom back in the day was nice enough to purchase that issue off of Ebay for me, which is how I got that soundtrack. It would be awfully nice to have CDs like that in Club Nintendo for redemption as well.
Title: Re: Mario's 25th Anniversary Collection?
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 12, 2011, 05:58:28 PM
I paid $30 for a fancy box, a cute booklet, and a compact disc that I'm expecting to not get reprinted. Limited better stay that way.
Charging the full SNES launch price ($60-80?) would've been awesome in its own way.
Title: Re: Mario's 25th Anniversary Collection?
Post by: Stratos on January 12, 2011, 07:27:19 PM
I expected this to have a slightly longer run. Prime Trilogy was out longer and that have a cool metal tin cover.
Title: Re: Mario's 25th Anniversary Collection?
Post by: the_dan_x on January 13, 2011, 03:41:52 AM
I expected this to have a slightly longer run. Prime Trilogy was out longer and that have a cool metal tin cover.
Yeah, no kidding. The metal tin cover was just freakin' awesome and how a collection title should be.
Title: Re: Mario's 25th Anniversary Collection?
Post by: Stratos on January 14, 2011, 01:07:38 AM
The All-Stars case should have been the same.
Really they should give us a New Mario All-Stars down the line that has Mario 64, Sunshine and the two Galaxy games.
Title: Re: Mario's 25th Anniversary Collection?
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 14, 2011, 01:46:26 AM
Some people have said they would have liked to see Nintendo remake the old games in the NSMBWii engine, but I'd much prefer they go the other way, and include a version of NSMBWii remade with Mario All-Stars style sprites. But really, we're doing nothing but hurting ourselves by pining over what this could have been.
Title: Re: Mario's 25th Anniversary Collection?
Post by: Mop it up on January 14, 2011, 02:23:03 AM
Some people have said they would have liked to see Nintendo remake the old games in the NSMBWii engine, but I'd much prefer they go the other way, and include a version of NSMBWii remade with Mario All-Stars style sprites.
Why can't we have both? Just add a 4-player option to the games as they are, and it'd be golden. I mean, Super Mario Brothers 2 has four characters in it already, it's just begging for multiplayer.
Title: Re: Mario's 25th Anniversary Collection?
Post by: Ian Sane on January 14, 2011, 05:56:41 PM
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Some people have said they would have liked to see Nintendo remake the old games in the NSMBWii engine, but I'd much prefer they go the other way, and include a version of NSMBWii remade with Mario All-Stars style sprites.
This would be the greatest thing in the world. Throw in the DS NSMB, too, while we're dreaming.
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Why can't we have both? Just add a 4-player option to the games as they are, and it'd be golden. I mean, Super Mario Brothers 2 has four characters in it already, it's just begging for multiplayer.
It wouldn't work too well since those games were not designed to have 4 players running around them at the same time. But then I would cheekily argue that NSMB Wii wasn't designed for that either. ;D
Title: Re: Mario's 25th Anniversary Collection?
Post by: Mop it up on January 14, 2011, 06:01:29 PM
You might be surprised. I've played multiplayer in levels from the original Super Mario Brothers recreated in New Super Mario Brothers Wii, and they work surprisingly well.
Title: Re: Mario's 25th Anniversary Collection?
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 14, 2011, 11:03:17 PM
Pirate! Hacker!
Sound the alarm!
Title: Re: Mario's 25th Anniversary Collection?
Post by: Mop it up on February 11, 2011, 05:08:12 PM
Looks like the game is getting another run after all:
I'm still hoping that the packaging is at least slightly different, so there's something to differentiate the original run from the later ones.
Title: Re: Mario's 25th Anniversary Collection?
Post by: UncleBob on February 11, 2011, 08:43:19 PM
But then I'd have to buy another one. :D
Title: Re: Mario's 25th Anniversary Collection?
Post by: Retro Deckades on February 11, 2011, 09:06:42 PM
The local independent game store, which is usually extremely good about pricing their games, is selling Wii Super Mario All-Stars for $80. This whole craze is completely out of hand.
Title: Re: Mario's 25th Anniversary Collection?
Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 11, 2011, 09:16:29 PM
I wish they'd release this for DS. I'd definitely buy it for that, as opposed to my total lack of interest in the Wii version.
Title: Re: Mario's 25th Anniversary Collection?
Post by: Stratos on February 12, 2011, 06:20:40 AM
Maybe this one will just be the game without all the extra bonus stuff? I don't care about the extras but at the price they are charging for a rom dump it probably would be fair to keep the extras at the same price.
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So Last night I saw a cheap SNES copy of Super Mario All-Stars + Super Mario World on eBay and snagged that for $20.
I figured screw waiting around for a copy of the Wii version that may or may not materialize.
