Community Forums => NWR Mafia Games => Topic started by: BeautifulShy on December 04, 2012, 01:01:30 PM
Title: Mafia LVIII: Land of the deleted posters dead thread.
Post by: BeautifulShy on December 04, 2012, 01:01:30 PM
Completely forgot about putting up the dead thread. Since Khushrenada died first he can name the thread.
For those new to the game. Only dead players can post here and try to keep any info that you may or may have about the game secret till the end of the game. This is kinda a place for dead players to talk about the going on of the day thread without helping the players that are still playing and or random chatter.
Title: Re: Mafia LVIII Dead thread.
Post by: Khushrenada on December 04, 2012, 03:14:35 PM
Hmmmm. Well since the theme seems to be on Radio and Podcasts, maybe Massively Fined by the FCC? Maybe someone else has a better suggestion.
Title: Re: Mafia LVIII Dead thread.
Post by: apdude on December 04, 2012, 03:34:19 PM
Or maybe chozo ghost's smitehouse. Or the land of deleted posts. Or the negitive world podcast forums.
Title: Re: Mafia LVIII Dead thread.
Post by: BeautifulShy on December 04, 2012, 03:44:10 PM
Think I will go with apdude's second suggestion.
Title: Re: Mafia LVIII Land of the Deleted Posts dead thread.
Post by: apdude on December 04, 2012, 03:48:26 PM
It's khush's call I was just making suggestions.
Title: Re: Mafia LVIII dead thread.
Post by: BeautifulShy on December 04, 2012, 03:50:46 PM
Yeah you are right. What am I doing?
Title: Re: Mafia LVIII dead thread.
Post by: Khushrenada on December 04, 2012, 04:50:17 PM
Oh, if it is my call, then the title should be Glad0s, Fatty the hutt and Stogi all suck. No, I won't be vindictive. If you both like Land of Deleted Posts (Posters) than run with it.
Title: Re: Mafia LVIII Land of the deleted posters dead thread.
Post by: that Baby guy on December 05, 2012, 01:20:59 AM
As dead as I am, I still like my last move.
Title: Re: Mafia LVIII Land of the deleted posters dead thread.
Post by: BeautifulShy on December 05, 2012, 01:24:19 AM
Yeah it was an creative way to end the day.
Title: Re: Mafia LVIII Land of the deleted posters dead thread.
Post by: Silenced on December 05, 2012, 06:18:10 AM
Welp, townies are screwed. In a game of only bandwagons, you're dead if you talk too much. Sue me for trying to rally after a hge deficit.
Title: Re: Mafia LVIII Land of the deleted posters dead thread.
Post by: BeautifulShy on December 05, 2012, 07:22:45 AM
There is a way for the townies to stay in it but they actually have to figure out who is Mafia and who are the townie roles today.
Title: Re: Mafia LVIII Land of the deleted posters dead thread.
Post by: Khushrenada on December 05, 2012, 10:50:29 AM
Welp, townies are screwed. In a game of only bandwagons, you're dead if you talk too much. Sue me for trying to rally after a hge deficit.
Sounds good to me. If townies want to vote out people trying to actually use reasoning instead of bandwagoning, they're getting the game they asked for and I'm loving it.
On a side note, Insanolord handled the situation the same I would have. If thatguy's vote was the one changed but thatguy didn't actually make a vote, then there is nothing to change. It can be argued that Insanolord changed the vote from no vote to a vote but I've always viewed those roles as only being able to change an actual vote that has been posted.
Also, the description of the role says: "Insanolord (Vote changer) Can change someones vote to anything he wants it to be. This can be done before the day thread is locked." If Insanolord used his power after the day thread is locked or after the tiebreaker was cast and thread relocked, not sure the power should have been able to work anyways. But I'm not the host, so why worry.
Go mafia and killer. Fill this thread up.
Title: Re: Mafia LVIII Land of the deleted posters dead thread.
Post by: apdude on December 05, 2012, 01:32:45 PM
Question: If you were still a townie at this time in the game would you bluff the killer role like thatguy did since it's pretty much your only hope for taking out the mafia?
Title: Re: Mafia LVIII Land of the deleted posters dead thread.
Post by: Khushrenada on December 05, 2012, 01:43:01 PM
"If you were still a townie at time in the game"
What?
And is that question meant for me?
Title: Re: Mafia LVIII Land of the deleted posters dead thread.
Post by: apdude on December 05, 2012, 01:45:42 PM
Typo. Fixed now. And it's an open question for everyone to see what people think?
Title: Re: Mafia LVIII Land of the deleted posters dead thread.
Post by: TJ Spyke on December 05, 2012, 01:57:51 PM
I am always a townie, and for the second game in a row i got screwed because of SUPER.
Title: Re: Mafia LVIII Land of the deleted posters dead thread.
Post by: BeautifulShy on December 05, 2012, 02:00:39 PM
It happens. I know several games in a row a player was a townie for 5 games and they were voted out on the first day every game.
Title: Re: Mafia LVIII Land of the deleted posters dead thread.
Post by: Silenced on December 05, 2012, 02:59:40 PM
It's sad. There's good activity, but there's just nothing productive going on. Is this just normal?
Title: Re: Mafia LVIII Land of the deleted posters dead thread.
Post by: BeautifulShy on December 05, 2012, 03:11:55 PM
It's sad. There's good activity, but there's just nothing productive going on. Is this just normal?
It can take a few days to get a Mafia member out when there is new players and or people don't pay attention to much to the game and just vote. I know on my first game it took me 3 days to get going and a handle on the game and figuring out things and there was a similar role on the Mafia side as this one but it took looking at the game and trying to figure out who was who in the game and in that game it took till the 5th day to get a Mafia member out but if people are more active and cohesive then the game can get done quicker as far as getting out Mafia.
Title: Re: Mafia LVIII Land of the deleted posters dead thread.
Post by: Oblivion on December 05, 2012, 03:33:24 PM
Oh, no one actually gives a **** and just joins just because they can.
Title: Re: Mafia LVIII Land of the deleted posters dead thread.
Post by: apdude on December 05, 2012, 03:45:17 PM
Hey oblivion you like to complain a lot with out actually trying to actively encourage the play style you want. Go vote and spark some conversation in the game if that's what you want.
Title: Re: Mafia LVIII Land of the deleted posters dead thread.
Post by: Fatty The Hutt on December 05, 2012, 03:57:40 PM
@Maxi and Oblivion, I thought we weren't allowed to post in here until dead. Can I post? I's like to join some of the excellent discussion in here.
Title: Re: Mafia LVIII Land of the deleted posters dead thread.
Post by: BeautifulShy on December 05, 2012, 04:08:05 PM
I am a cohost so I am just keeping the thread warm with conversation. As for Oblivion well he really shouldn't be posting here till he is dead since he still has game to play. As for you you should keep playing till you are dead and not post here to help whichever side you are on win.
Title: Re: Mafia LVIII Land of the deleted posters dead thread.
Post by: Khushrenada on December 05, 2012, 04:14:33 PM
Active players can post in the dead thread. Dead players just can't post in the active day threads. Because of this, dead players will attack active players when they do post in here but it's fine. If you want to say something Fatty, go ahead.
Title: Re: Mafia LVIII Land of the deleted posters dead thread.
Post by: Khushrenada on December 05, 2012, 04:18:46 PM
Oh, no one actually gives a **** and just joins just because they can.
Have you ever looked back at other games we've played?
Heck, even day 1, before it got shut down had plenty of votes of going around. The biggest bandwagons were at 3 votes each.
I was also wondering about people getting banned on this Epic Mafia site. So, let's say the detective investigates the last mafia member and posts that he is the detective and this player is the last mafia member. Can only two people vote for the mafia member and everyone has to spread their votes around to other players to not get banned?
Title: Re: Mafia LVIII Land of the deleted posters dead thread.
Post by: Khushrenada on December 05, 2012, 04:30:32 PM
Question: If you were still a townie at this time in the game would you bluff the killer role like thatguy did since it's pretty much your only hope for taking out the mafia?
Personally, no. The killer is double edged sword and both townies and mafia can't trust him although they both might need him. Frankly, I view the killer as the most dangerous enemy if I'm mafia, followed by the investigator. Especially this game when 2 mafia members can avoid being correctly investigated. The killer could completely take out a good embedded mafia member that everyone thinks is innocent or you can both hit the same target in effect, wasting a hit that could have gone elsewhere.
It might be why Thatguy was the target last night. I guess we'll find out after the game is over for sure.
Plus, I think there are many players who don't want someone who outright says they are mafia or the killer to win or live in case they are telling the truth since it makes them look extremely foolish to play the whole game and not off them.
That said, private messaging is a whole better avenue for that kind of subterfuge.
Title: Re: Mafia LVIII Land of the deleted posters dead thread.
Post by: apdude on December 05, 2012, 04:58:46 PM
I agree it is a risk, but the mafia is going to target a non mafia member anyway and since the killer is more useful to townies at this point you'll want to protect him. also anyone voting against the "outed" killer will look suspicious. Allowing them to point the finger at anyone they want. But you are probably right that you can't do that trick twice.
Title: Re: Mafia LVIII Land of the deleted posters dead thread.
Post by: Glad0s on December 05, 2012, 06:01:33 PM
I have no regrets.
Title: Re: Mafia LVIII Land of the deleted posters dead thread.
Post by: that Baby guy on December 05, 2012, 06:58:59 PM
Oh, no one actually gives a **** and just joins just because they can.
Have you ever looked back at other games we've played?
Heck, even day 1, before it got shut down had plenty of votes of going around. The biggest bandwagons were at 3 votes each.
I was also wondering about people getting banned on this Epic Mafia site. So, let's say the detective investigates the last mafia member and posts that he is the detective and this player is the last mafia member. Can only two people vote for the mafia member and everyone has to spread their votes around to other players to not get banned?
I would imagine the banning would only happen if it's senseless bandwagonning with no reason. If players were to vote in a group against someone and they all individually had a clear reason to do so, then I don't imagine they'd be banned.
That said, I believe mob mentality should be a part of the game. If players can't think for themselves, the consequences are a loss in most cases.
Title: Re: Mafia LVIII Land of the deleted posters dead thread.
Post by: Silenced on December 05, 2012, 08:54:03 PM
Such as screwing over the doctor.
I saw Khush was out, so I knew we'd be hopeless. I decided to try and rally the troops and fill his shoes, but ultimately I was denied and my one post made it clear to the mafia that I was a danger. At this point, they know that knocking off people that post more than five words leaves the townies at a loss. The wagoning is starting to get on my nerves, because how do I learn to be a better player when I can't perfect my strategy?
Title: Re: Mafia LVIII Land of the deleted posters dead thread.
Post by: Oblivion on December 06, 2012, 01:00:37 AM
I'm talking about blind wagoning on random people three days in a row.
Title: Re: Mafia LVIII Land of the deleted posters dead thread.
Post by: Silenced on December 06, 2012, 06:23:25 AM
That's what I meant.
And... really? Are we so bad that the Killer has to do our groundwork?
Title: Re: Mafia LVIII Land of the deleted posters dead thread.
Post by: Khushrenada on December 06, 2012, 10:25:25 AM
I'm talking about blind wagoning on random people three days in a row.
Then get a band wagon on someone not random. Oh that's right. You'd rather vote no one. Glad you are making a difference.
Blind bandwagoning can serve a purpose. I'd say more but I'm dead and don't want to seem like I'm trying to lead the players to a certain conclusion of what to look for and who to vote but the game is a puzzle and you just have to keep looking over all the pieces.
I saw Khush was out, so I knew we'd be hopeless. I decided to try and rally the troops and fill his shoes, but ultimately I was denied and my one post made it clear to the mafia that I was a danger. At this point, they know that knocking off people that post more than five words leaves the townies at a loss. The wagoning is starting to get on my nerves, because how do I learn to be a better player when I can't perfect my strategy?
Heh. I knew I was going to be in for a tough game when I began to examine the player list and saw more and more really good players had signed up for this game. I'm not ruling anything out yet but there's a lot that can happen and unless these players are mafia, the townies may yet prevail. It probably won't be pretty though.
As for perfecting strategy, we should talk.
Title: Re: Mafia LVIII Land of the deleted posters dead thread.
Post by: Oblivion on December 06, 2012, 11:04:58 AM
I voted random because I wasn't going to be at the computer in time and I needed to get some sort of vote in. I didn't want to vote for someone without looking at everyone again, but I didn't have the time. I'm a bit more active today, but you don't need to be an asshole.
Voting for no one is a lot better than wagoning on a townie three days in a row. Get your priorities straight.
Title: Re: Mafia LVIII Land of the deleted posters dead thread.
Post by: Khushrenada on December 06, 2012, 11:26:59 AM
Oh Oblivion. You are so fun. You complain about the way everyone plays and when they argue back, you get upset at them. Personally, I disagree that voting no one is better unless your mafia as it means a free day for the mafia as they don't have to actually vote for anyone either then and can keep themselves free from blame when townies go down.
My priorities are straight and I have the records to prove it.
Title: Re: Mafia LVIII Land of the deleted posters dead thread.
Post by: apdude on December 06, 2012, 12:16:58 PM
Exactly. It's every townies duty to vote and honor the sacrifices the players in this thread made to allow you to keep that right!
Title: Re: Mafia LVIII Land of the deleted posters dead thread.
Post by: Oblivion on December 06, 2012, 12:27:55 PM
Khush, I was already upset in the first place, you are nothing special in that regard. If defending what I said (because that's what you do in an argument, I know, it's a fucking revolution, isn't it?) is getting "upset" then what has everyone else been doing when they argue?
Title: Re: Mafia LVIII Land of the deleted posters dead thread.
Post by: apdude on December 06, 2012, 12:38:41 PM
Perhaps it's your tone. Instead of shouting "this sucks, you are all stupid" as your argument and pissing on everyone's parade, try backing up your "points" with reasoned thought in a civil manor. If we are all doing it wrong show us how to do it right.
Title: Re: Mafia LVIII Land of the deleted posters dead thread.
Post by: Khushrenada on December 06, 2012, 01:56:00 PM
Khush, I was already upset in the first place, you are nothing special in that regard. If defending what I said (because that's what you do in an argument, I know, it's a fucking revolution, isn't it?) is getting "upset" then what has everyone else been doing when they argue?
Well, for me personally, I've been doing it in a way that doesn't involve swearing or calling someone an asshole just because I disagree with them. As Apdude said, it's the tone of your posts. However, you also mention that you were already upset so that is probably why they are coming off that way.
And while I really should probably just stop, I'm going to try to point out one last time why people are viewing you negatively because ultimately that's why I'm engaging in this discussion with you in the first place to try and show why you are not connecting with everyone else.
The first problem is you are telling everyone there is a problem with the way they are playing the game. They are just bandwagoning the same individuals and no one is putting much thought into their votes. Fair enough. Others have made a similar complaint already. However, those people have questioned the bandwagons asking for answers or trying to give out another name to vote for and garner support for that vote or explain why people should change their vote. You have not. You just keep telling everyone they are playing poorly and that you don't like the way they are playing. That's it. Here is all that you have posted in the past 4 days:
And this is why I really didn't want to keep playing. The wagoning on this site is fucking ridiculous, and if any of you were playing on EpicMafia or another forum you'd be banned immediately. The mafia and/or is directly or indirectly causing the wagoning to happen and you townie sheep are following their every whim. This happens every time.
Alright. Up to this point, nothing really major going on. A lot of fluff posts really which is part of the problem. You’ve shown nothing so far in trying to guide the vote or point out any suspicious behavior or suggest possible candidates or anything really to indicate a willingness to participate in a meaningful way except for maybe your first post.
But now, you attack how everyone else is playing thereby opening yourself up to criticism when they look at how you have played so far up to this same point. You make a fine point in the second part of your post but people won’t care about it because of the tone/attitude of the first part of it.
Moreover, you talk about playing mafia somewhere else and being banned for this behavior but you don’t mention what should be the proper behavior or how people on those sites play this game or nor do you show any willingness to try and change the current play style to these other shining examples. You just want to tell everyone how bad it is here and that they are playing bad and leave it at that. That’s why no one is taking you seriously or listening to you.
I'm not complaining. I'm commenting on how stupid the Killer was. Those earlier rants are legit ones, considering all the wagoning that was going on. That, more than anything, pisses me off. And voting for "no one" is scummy? Bullshit. It's a valid strategy. Let me reiterate what I said in another thread:
I voted random because I wasn't going to be at the computer in time and I needed to get some sort of vote in. I didn't want to vote for someone without looking at everyone again, but I didn't have the time. I'm a bit more active today, but you don't need to be an asshole. Voting for no one is a lot better than wagoning on a townie three days in a row. Get your priorities straight.
Jesus Christ. Fine. Good game Mafia. Vote: Oblivion
Again, you state the killer is stupid and an idiot even though you admit that you can’t remember what the killer’s affiliations are but you are just going to make a judgment call on the situation anyways. You get into a bit more of discussion of how your way is right and other players aren’t which I will mention a bit more of in a moment. Finally, when faced with a bit of adversity and a few votes but a whole lot of time left in the day, you decide to not fight or argue for your game life but surrender.
Here you’ve got a moment where players are fully focusing on you but instead of using this opportunity to make a difference, to point out someone else who might be more worthy of voting out than you, to make some headway and get people to start listening to you more, you leave.
That’s the first problem. No action to back up the talk.
Title: Re: Mafia LVIII Land of the deleted posters dead thread.
Post by: BeautifulShy on December 06, 2012, 02:19:59 PM
I have been in your your position many times and thought about giving up on the game Oblivion but that doesn't help you or your team win whatever side you are on. This game is not a cake walk and you need to look at the game and work as a team whatever side you are on. You just need to work through whatever for not only yourself but for your own team so that if you happen to die you are not leaving them hardly any info to work off of.
I will say this though if you have time after you do some game playing in this game look up Sonic Mafia and also Earthbound Mafia. Mafia 28 and Mafia 37 respectfully. I gave up in those games at the start but I changed my tune part way through the game and each game had different results for me. Sonic Mafia I lost at the end and Earthbound Mafia my side won because I stuck to the game.
Title: Re: Mafia LVIII Land of the deleted posters dead thread.
Post by: Fatty The Hutt on December 06, 2012, 02:29:34 PM
I am a total Mafia NOOB but I am trying. I really am. I have even sought advice from seasoned players. I have done some PMing, have analyzed past day's threads, have followed hunches, taken personal risks in revealing some things. I am taking some time now during my lunch to do some further analysis of the game and players up to this point.
Yet folks are still accusing a bunch of us of merely "bandwagoning." That's slighlty offensive but more than that, it just leads me to conclude that the complainers are butt-hurt that the game isn't going "the way it should." I don't know how the game is "supposed" to go. I am new. Many others are new this game too, I think. I would have thought that some new blood would make the game exciting again. It shakes up the patterns, I am sure, gives a chance for mentoring, if that is your thing, and arguably makes it easier to manipulate the NOOBs to attain victory. Where's the downside here?
(I know I am not supposed to post here until dead but nobody seems to balk when Oblivion does it so...)
Title: Re: Mafia LVIII Land of the deleted posters dead thread.
Post by: apdude on December 06, 2012, 03:04:46 PM
We are engaging him because we are bored. I've liked your play thus far Fatty though Khush may differ based on the day 1 vote. Up until yesterday I didn't really know which side you were on which I feel is key to winning. I allways think if your townie act like mafia and if your mafia act like a townie. easier said than done of course.
Title: Re: Mafia LVIII Land of the deleted posters dead thread.
Post by: Khushrenada on December 06, 2012, 03:56:41 PM
You had me fooled up until a couple of hours ago. I don't think these townie scrubs would have figured it out. :smug:
I guess I should have tried to get people to continue to vote for me. Being almost voted out every day was the only thing keeping mafia hits away, really. (http://i.imgur.com/QmVHh.gif)
I would have loved to kill every last one of you scrubs. Play 2 win :smug:
Title: Re: Mafia LVIII Land of the deleted posters dead thread.
Post by: Ceric on December 07, 2012, 08:49:33 AM
Why is S-u-p-e-r dead? Unless I'm missing a PM somewhere I thought we settled on Shyguy as the Godfather. Which would have nullified the hit on Super meaning he should still be in the game. From the precedence set by the day that Crimm was killed.
I really should stop playing these though. It always feels like their is cheating going on.
Title: Re: Mafia LVIII Land of the deleted posters dead thread.
Post by: BeautifulShy on December 07, 2012, 09:42:44 AM
Super is dead because Shyguy sent in a hit on SUPER. SUPER sent in a kill to kill Shyguy. Crimm as far as I am aware did not send in a hit that night that he was killed by the killer.
We discussed this me and Insanolord and what we would do if the killer and GF went after each other and we decided that it would be based on PM timestamps but since SUPER is over in Japan we allowed both hits to go through because of the time difference. Insanolord decided that this was the most fair thing.
Title: Re: Mafia LVIII Land of the deleted posters dead thread.
Post by: Ceric on December 07, 2012, 09:45:47 AM
Can you double check because Crimm was suppose to have hit Super the night that Super killed him.
I went back and looked at the rules the next day and it states that the Killer wins
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... Also if he dies via Killer or vote out then there will be no hit for the night ...
Title: Re: Mafia LVIII Land of the deleted posters dead thread.
Post by: BeautifulShy on December 07, 2012, 09:51:13 AM
I can check but I am pretty sure I myself didn't receive any PMs from Crimm.I take this back I got a hit from Crimm for thatguy and that was it. Everything else went to Insano I am guessing or he didn't send it.
This is why we have everyone with a role sending both of us a PM so this type of thing doesn't happen.
For now we are going to have to put this conversation on pause until I can talk with my cohost and see what PMs he got and I will get back to you Ceric.
Title: Re: Mafia LVIII Land of the deleted posters dead thread.
Post by: Khushrenada on December 07, 2012, 11:02:59 AM
Personally, I can't believe that Ceric was mafia for the second time and jumped onto the first bandwagon right away on Day 1 for the second time in a row. The whole "Khush opening gambit" statement seemed completely fishy but I just didn't think you would give yourself away so easily after having just done that same move last game.
But if I hadn't just won last game and was hungry for a win, I probably would have pursued your death day 1. But I had just won and was willing to mix it up and play more loose and free and then Glad0s came and made an even dumber statement, in my opinion, so I decided to give you the benefit of the doubt. Victory has defeated me. Bad Ceric. Bad.
Title: Re: Mafia LVIII Land of the deleted posters dead thread.
Post by: NWR_insanolord on December 07, 2012, 11:23:36 AM
I never received a hit from Crimm th night he was killed.
Title: Re: Mafia LVIII Land of the deleted posters dead thread.
Post by: ShyGuy on December 07, 2012, 11:53:54 AM
So SUPER either died too early or too late. Let's split the difference and say that I killed him in my final heroic act. FOR GOTHAM
Title: Re: Mafia LVIII Land of the deleted posters dead thread.
Post by: Ceric on December 07, 2012, 01:33:01 PM
Personally, I can't believe that Ceric was mafia for the second time and jumped onto the first bandwagon right away on Day 1 for the second time in a row. The whole "Khush opening gambit" statement seemed completely fishy but I just didn't think you would give yourself away so easily after having just done that same move last game.
But if I hadn't just won last game and was hungry for a win, I probably would have pursued your death day 1. But I had just won and was willing to mix it up and play more loose and free and then Glad0s came and made an even dumber statement, in my opinion, so I decided to give you the benefit of the doubt. Victory has defeated me. Bad Ceric. Bad.
Next game I'll just vote the minimum and not participate.
Title: Re: Mafia LVIII Land of the deleted posters dead thread.
Post by: apdude on December 07, 2012, 02:05:17 PM
Next game I'll just vote the minimum and not participate.
How is that different than the way you played this time? I think he is just saying it was a bit early in the game to be the tag along guy. Anyway you can use his feedback to help you trick him next time. Different styles I guess.
Title: Re: Mafia LVIII Land of the deleted posters dead thread.
Post by: Khushrenada on December 07, 2012, 03:21:27 PM
Personally, I can't believe that Ceric was mafia for the second time and jumped onto the first bandwagon right away on Day 1 for the second time in a row. The whole "Khush opening gambit" statement seemed completely fishy but I just didn't think you would give yourself away so easily after having just done that same move last game.
But if I hadn't just won last game and was hungry for a win, I probably would have pursued your death day 1. But I had just won and was willing to mix it up and play more loose and free and then Glad0s came and made an even dumber statement, in my opinion, so I decided to give you the benefit of the doubt. Victory has defeated me. Bad Ceric. Bad.
Next game I'll just vote the minimum and not participate.
Eh. It worked in the sense that I second guessed myself and S-U-P-E-R didn't seem interested in pursuing such a vote, so I let it be. Bare minimum would be worse since I like to target those people for votes when I'm unsure who to go after. Better to get rid of non-participants faster and give mafia less room to hide.
Title: Re: Mafia LVIII Land of the deleted posters dead thread.
Post by: Khushrenada on December 07, 2012, 03:27:45 PM
I still don't get what this issue is. I can't find anything in the rules or roles stating the killer's hit takes precendence over the godfather's.
Personally, when I host, the way I view hits are as such, if the killer or godfather is voted out or there is a role that allows them to be killed in the day, then they don't get a hit at night. But if they survive the day, then all night actions go through. So, if they target each other, they both die. I try to keep it simple like that.
Now, the simplest way to run the game is all hits always go through even if that person is killed during the day. Sure it might screw one or two people out of a victory but you won't run into this problem as well. That said, I prefer to give people the bonus of avoiding a hit by a good vote out.
Title: Re: Mafia LVIII Land of the deleted posters dead thread.
Post by: that Baby guy on December 07, 2012, 03:29:45 PM
"Jonny Metts Godfather- Can use the Mafia hit to kill someone of his choice. He has to send both hosts the choice. Also if he dies via Killer or vote out then there will be no hit for the night and there will be a choice between the remaining Mafia members for the new Godfather.Will show up as a townie when investigated."
Title: Re: Mafia LVIII Land of the deleted posters dead thread.
Post by: BeautifulShy on December 07, 2012, 03:35:56 PM
Thatguy nailed it and we didn't double check things. So we are trying to make amends in a way for that "mistake" based on what side you are on by changing some small things in the game that will make it more balanced on both sides for the rest of the game.
Title: Re: Mafia LVIII Land of the deleted posters dead thread.
Post by: Khushrenada on December 07, 2012, 04:32:05 PM
But you could argue that rule only applies to the Johnny Metts role and doesn't apply to someone else who takes over the godfather role later. After all, it is only stated under that role and not as a general rule.
However, not my fight, so I'm not going to make a big deal out of something I think is a minor hiccup.
Title: Re: Mafia LVIII Land of the deleted posters dead thread.
Post by: Ceric on December 07, 2012, 05:25:34 PM
At this point it would have been in the best interest of the mafia and the Killer to call a truce and start picking off more townies for a day or two.
I guess the real question is does the role of Godfather move or does the hit ability of the Godfather move.
Lets say I was the Godfather after Crimm was axed would I have shown up as a Townie in Investigation or would I have shown up as Neal.
Title: Re: Mafia LVIII Land of the deleted posters dead thread.
Post by: BeautifulShy on December 07, 2012, 05:31:31 PM
Just the hit ability moves and the person that it goes to also keeps their main power.
If it went to you Ceric and you were searched you would have come back as Neal. Only people that had a certain immunity from searches was Jonny and Guillaume.
Title: Re: Mafia LVIII Land of the deleted posters dead thread.
Post by: Ceric on December 07, 2012, 05:38:03 PM
So effectively the Role Jonny Metts ability is to show up as a townie on Investigation and to automatically be the First Godfather.
The Godfather Title is a role in and of itself that give the person with it the Hit Ability.
Now in the Khush scenario Jonny Metts role would be the one with the no ability to hit on the day of being killed not the Godfather role.
Title: Re: Mafia LVIII Land of the deleted posters dead thread.
Post by: BeautifulShy on December 07, 2012, 05:53:34 PM
You got some right but not others.
At the start of the game Johny Metts can use the hit power,show up as a townie and be the First GF. Once he is dead his hit power transfers to the next person whoever the Mafia decides is the new GF and they will show up as their normal role the exception is Guillaume who will show up as the role they chose. The rest of their powers stay with them and the hit power but they can't show up as a townie like Jonny can.
Title: Re: Mafia LVIII Land of the deleted posters dead thread.
Post by: ShyGuy on December 07, 2012, 07:22:30 PM
"You've got rights. Lot's of rights. Sometimes I count them to myself just to feel crazy." - BATMAN
Title: Re: Mafia LVIII Land of the deleted posters dead thread.
Post by: stevey on December 10, 2012, 12:38:43 AM
At least I got to be the hero who took mop down with me
Title: Re: Mafia LVIII Land of the deleted posters dead thread.
Post by: BeautifulShy on December 10, 2012, 12:16:22 PM
Nice job stevey. Lets see what happens with the day today.Can the Mafia come back?
Title: Re: Mafia LVIII Land of the deleted posters dead thread.
Post by: Mop it up on December 10, 2012, 06:22:28 PM
What a crazy game this has been.
Title: Re: Mafia LVIII Land of the deleted posters dead thread.
Post by: ShyGuy on December 10, 2012, 06:28:30 PM
NOT MOP IT UP
YOU FILTHY SAVAGES
Title: Re: Mafia LVIII Land of the deleted posters dead thread.
Post by: Mop it up on December 10, 2012, 06:41:15 PM
They were just jealous.
Title: Re: Mafia LVIII Land of the deleted posters dead thread.
Post by: Stogi on December 11, 2012, 01:04:54 AM
I voted for you Shaymin because you followed mafia on every move.
